lettuce be reality, this is the first time anyone's actually watched Dwight play

[STATUTORY]

and we are all underwhelmed. Real talk I doubt anyone actually watched Dwight play in Orlando we just saw some highligh goaltends/blocks and dunks and thought this guy was thee goods.

but now he's actually with a premiere franchise and getting on national tv games , he's been completely exposed.

no post game, can't even get a shot off cause he gets stripped so much
only block shots that were gonna miss anyway and sometimes get charged goaltend for them
butterfinger hands like he forgot to wash the lotion off after jerking it
smiling fakkit face even when the team is down by 10 and 6 games under 500

I don't think I ever disliked a player as much as this guy. Wish we had Tyson Chandler, the 7ft1 Dwight Howard with a good attitude.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Another Dwight hating thread lol. If you really hate Dwight, how about trade him to the Nets? He will be averaging 25/15/3 on 62%FG, and close in the MVP hunt. Blame Dwight for your team's incapability of using him properly?

[STATUTORY]

Another Dwight hating thread lol. If you really hate Dwight, how about trade him to the Nets? He will be averaging 25/15/3 on 62%FG, and close in the MVP hunt. Blame Dwight for your team's incapability of using him properly?

how we suppose to use him if he can't even execute a simple spin move with out getting the ball stripped, step out of bound, get fouled and miss 2 free throws?

:oldlol: u are clearly someone that never seen dwight play. he's NEVER averaged more than 22 points per game but he would do that for the nets right? :rolleyes:

[Purch]

I watched him in Orlando.

Don't imply that everyone only watches the "main" teams. :lol

[Kiddlovesnets]

how we suppose to use him if he can't even execute a simple spin move with out getting the ball stripped, step out of bound, get fouled and miss 2 free throws?

:oldlol: u are clearly someone that never seen dwight play. he's NEVER averaged more than 22 points per game but he would do that for the nets right? :rolleyes:

Well again its not Dwight's fault that hes averaging just 17ppg, your team never learns to use him properly. The Nets can use Dwight to his max potential with Deron, he will easily average 25/15/3. You wont see it with your eyes though, 'cause no way he ends up with the Nets. But anyway, you know its true.

[embersyc]

Speak for yourself, I knew Dwight was overrated for years. I saw lots of Orlando games when Dwight was there.

[Purch]

Well again its not Dwight's fault that hes averaging just 17ppg, your team never learns to use him properly. The Nets can use Dwight to his max potential with Deron, he will easily average 25/15/3. You wont see it with your eyes though, 'cause no way he ends up with the Nets. But anyway, you know its true.
I don't belive that current Dwight howard would be capable of that with the Nets. I've watched a lot of Laker games this season, and he's slower, he gets stripped a lot, his post game seems to have regressed and he's shooting a career low at the line. I think it's completly unrealistic to think that current Dwight would put up Shaq numbers playing with the Nets.


Hell I think it's unrealistic to think a healthy Dwight would put up those kind of numbers on the nets.

[AussieG]

He's only been exposed because he's in a team that doesn't fit for him very well and has chemistry issues.. nothing to do with big or small market team, or whether or not he's on national TV alot or not.

[Kiddlovesnets]

I don't belive that current Dwight howard would be capable of that with the Nets. I've watched a lot of Laker games this season, and he's slower, he gets stripped a lot, his post game seems to have regressed and he's shooting a career low at the line. I think it's completly unrealistic to think that current Dwight would put up Shaq numbers playing with the Nets.


Hell I think it's unrealistic to think a healthy Dwight would put up those kind of numbers on the nets.

The problem is that the Lakers aint built around Dwight, nor do they have a working tactics to get Dwight involved in offense. Not mentioning the Lakers team has poor chemistry that Dwight aint even trying his best. With Deron, problem resolved and Dwight will average 25/15 easily.

[STATUTORY]

Speak for yourself, I knew Dwight was overrated for years. I saw lots of Orlando games when Dwight was there.
actually I did too. I was always in the dwight overrated chump with no fundamental crowd.

but was drown out by the sea of Dwight sycophants who I'm sure never watch this guy on regular basis.

there's not a more frustrating player to watch in the NBA than dwight. I hope he doesn't resign here

I can't believe lakers would go from Jerry West, Wilt Chamberlain, Magic Johnson, Kareem, Shaq, Kobe to this:

http://www.pictureshack.us/images/26534_lunapic_134203775584263_4.gif

:facepalm

[nathanjizzle]

dwight cant even catch an inlet pass without fumbling. its horrible. i never watched him before is he really this terrible.

[gasolina]

Title should be: This is the first time OP's actually watched Dwight play.

Seriously at the beginning of the season, I was actually happy for the Lakers because they poised a challenge to the Heat.

But with all the crap you post here I'll be looking forward to Howard leaving town and be MVP level again next season

[SilkkTheShocker]

Orlando got a good amount of prime time games when Dwight was there. He was the best center than, and he still is now. Not as dominant because of the back, but most of this is just people trying to cover Kobe's ass. There is absolutely no excuse for a team of 4 hall of famers to be facing the risk of not making the playoffs.

[Purch]

The problem is that the Lakers aint built around Dwight, nor do they have a working tactics to get Dwight involved in offense. Not mentioning the Lakers team has poor chemistry that Dwight aint even trying his best. With Deron, problem resolved and Dwight will average 25/15 easily.
No, that's not there only problem. There problem is they don't have a balence between perimiter and post player. However, even in the games when they made a strong effort to force feed he physically does not have the abilty to dominate the game like he did in Orlando.

You do understanding you're stating a Dwight Howard who hasn't demonstrted that he's close to 85%, would put up Prime Shaq numbers if he were on the Nets.


I don't think you've watched Laker games this season. I don't like the Lakers but it's unrealitic to blame them for Dwight now putting up 25 a game, he's physically not there, and his post game has regressed.

[JohnnySic]

I watched Howard plenty. He always had his limitations.

[andremiller07]

I've said this before but this whole Dwight is not 100% is a joke, other than DJ and Magee there is not a more explosive C and hes still stronger than both and 99% of the other C's in the L. Even if hes not 100% hes more atheltic than just about any centre in the NBA. If he has to literally be head and shoulders above everyone athletically to dominate than imo hes not that great in the first place.

If the injury limited his mins than yeah ok,but hes playing 35mins per game which is still more than just about any other centre. You can't use the excuse its cause hes not 100% if hes still more athletically capable than any other big man.

[Purch]

I've said this before but this whole Dwight is not 100% is a joke, other than DJ and Magee there is not a more explosive C and hes still stronger than both and 99% of the other C's in the L. Even if hes not 100% hes more atheltic than just about any centre in the NBA. If he has to literally be head and shoulders above everyone athletically to dominate than imo hes not that great in the first place.

If the injury limited his mins than yeah ok,but hes playing 35mins per game which is still more than just about any other centre. You can't use the excuse its cause hes not 100% if hes still more athletically capable than any other big man.

Being athletically capble doesn't translate to being a better player. Because diffrent players depend on their athletism in very different ways. With Dwight, every part of his game depends on him being able to physically dominate in the paint. On the other hand a guy like Z-Bo is no where near as athletic yet is dominanting on the boards at a higher ate than Dwight. Yes Dwight may be more athletic, but a lot of the bigs in the leauge don't depend on athletism anywhere near as much as Dwight including; Duncan, Marc Gasol, Z-Bo, Noah, Lopez, Love, Jefferson and so forth.

So yes he's more athletic than those guys even with the injury. But because he depends so much on his athletisism, since he's not 100% physically it shows in his game, with his inabilty to dominant strong C's like he did in Orlando. He's not finishing strong off pick and rolls, he's not dominating good C's on the boards, he's going up soft on putback and so on.

[Kiddlovesnets]

No, that's not there only problem. There problem is they don't have a balence between perimiter and post player. However, even in the games when they made a strong effort to force feed he physically does not have the abilty to dominate the game like he did in Orlando.

You do understanding you're stating a Dwight Howard who hasn't demonstrted that he's close to 85%, would put up Prime Shaq numbers if he were on the Nets.


I don't think you've watched Laker games this season. I don't like the Lakers but it's unrealitic to blame them for Dwight now putting up 25 a game, he's physically not there, and his post game has regressed.

I still see Dwight getting 31/16 games every now and then, dude is capable of consistently putting up these numbers but he doesnt always get touches. Imagine a Dwight-Deron combo, the former can average 25/15 and the latter is easily 22/11. Well with Joe Johnson Deron may end up with 18/12 instead.

Oh btw you are a Deron homer, so why not root for the Nets?

[Purch]

I still see Dwight getting 31/16 games every now and then, dude is capable of consistently putting up these numbers but he doesnt always get touches. Imagine a Dwight-Deron combo, the former can average 25/15 and the latter is easily 22/11. Well with Joe Johnson Deron may end up with 18/12 instead.

Oh btw you are a Deron homer, so why not root for the Nets?
Because I'm a Jazz fan first, a Nba fan second and a player fan third?

Dwight's strongest games this season have been against extremly weak frontcourts. When he's not catching the ball and is forced to play with his back to the basket, he's not able to dominate like he did in Orlando. I understand that he's not getting the same looks he got in Orlando, but you can't expect him to put up numbers that he's not physically capable of doing at this point in his recovery. In fact those numbers are unrealistic for a healthy Dwight

[andremiller07]

Being athletically capble doesn't translate to being a better player. Because diffrent players depend on their athletism in very different ways. With Dwight, every part of his game depends on him being able to physically dominate in the paint. On the other hand a guy like Z-Bo is no where near as athletic yet is dominanting on the boards at a higher ate than Dwight. Yes Dwight may be more athletic, but a lot of the bigs in the leauge don't depend on athletism anywhere near as much as Dwight including; Duncan, Marc Gasol, Z-Bo, Noah, Lopez, Love, Jefferson and so forth.

So yes he's more athletic than those guys even with the injury. But because he depends so much on his athletisism, since he's not 100% physically it shows in his game, with his inabilty to dominant strong C's like he did in Orlando. He's not finishing strong off pick and rolls, he's not dominating good C's on the boards, he's going up soft on putback and so on.

You make great points but still imo its like saying Usain Bolt is the fastest man in the world, he gets a injury runs slower but is still quicker than everyone else, its not a excuse for his lack of overall game in partiucular his IQ, passing and post game this season. My point is him not being 100% is not the biggest reason why he and the Lakers are failing badly since he can still dominate using just his athletic ability. I guess we just have different point of view and I respect your opinion you did make some nice comments.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Because I'm a Jazz fan first, a Nba fan second and a player fan third?

Dwight's strongest games this season have been against extremly weak frontcourts. When he's not catching the ball and is forced to play with his back to the basket, he's not able to dominate like he did in Orlando. I understand that he's not getting the same looks he got in Orlando, but you can't expect him to put up numbers that he's not physically capable of doing at this point in his recovery. In fact those numbers are unrealistic for a healthy Dwight

I see, that makes sense. I am a Nets fan first, so I understand what you are saying.

Actually pretty much the entire league has weak front courts, Dwight can easily put up these big numbers nowadays if used properly. This is no longer the era in which we had dominant centers such as Kareem, Hakeem, Robinson, Ewing and Shaq.

[Purch]

You make great points but still imo its like saying Usain Bolt is the fastest man in the world, he gets a injury runs slower but is still quicker than everyone else, its not a excuse for his lack of overall game in partiucular his IQ, passing and post game this season. My point is him not being 100% is not the biggest reason why he and the Lakers are failing badly. I guess we just have different point of view and I respect your opinion you did make some nice comments.

Well yea, and that's why analyst like Charles always state that players need to develop their skills, so they can still dominante when their athletisism starts to fade. Dwight's lucky that he's recovering, because his lack of abilty to dominante, without just overpowering people is in fully disaplay. It's kind of the reason why D-Wade isn't the same force now that he's not as athletic, because unlike a guy like Kobe,he didn't develop his other skills to deal with not being able to athleticly dominate every defender.

O and I agree that that's not the only reason they're failing. I was just responding to the notion that current Dwight could put up Prime Shaq numbers, if he was on the nets :biggums:

[Purch]

I see, that makes sense. I am a Nets fan first, so I understand what you are saying.

Actually pretty much the entire league has weak front courts, Dwight can easily put up these big numbers nowadays if used properly. This is no longer the era in which we had dominant centers such as Kareem, Hakeem, Robinson, Ewing and Shaq.
There's a difference, even though the bigs aren't as big as they were back in the day, they make up for it in other ways. Like last night, you saw Noah force Dwight out of position, use his hands to make it difficult for Dwight to work inside, and outwork him even though he's not as athleticlly gifted as Dwight.

[Whoah10115]

I think most people watched him play in the Finals :confusedshrug:



He's playing like shit. His back is clearly bad, but his attitude is worse. D'Antoni is failing in delegating offensive responsibilities, correctly (Nash, Pau), Kobe is working harder on offense now than he was earlier in the year...and Nash is on the team...that makes little sense.


Defensively, Dwight Howard is, unquestionably, the best player in the league. His back is bugging him and that means something. It doesn't matter that he's still stronger than almost every center and more athletic than just about every center, even with the injury...the fact is that he's not functioning with the injury in mind. He's not an older guy adjusting to a loss in athleticism. He's relatively limited in what he can do right now and he hasn't adjusted.

Do people think that when the most athletic lose some athleticism that they're suddenly not more athletic than most? Think.


But he is not integrating himself well, at all. He came in with a chip on his shoulder that I never saw from him before. The second he said it's "Our team", when it was so clearly a reaction and in response to Kobe...it made it clear. And I don't think it's anything but obvious that the two are not combining well...at all. I honestly can see how he might not want to be here, due to wanting the team right now. Kobe will be Kobe and it doesn't matter that he was playing like a monster for most of the season...especially early. He wasn't shooting much at all, was insanely efficient...and Howard just did not look like he wanted to be involved, offensively. Kobe was involving him. He was averaging 19 turnovers a game. He was just not playing well and he wasn't really trying to play well.



BTW...I'd honestly be cool with trading BOTH. Pau Gasol shows all this aggression when it comes to being on the bench and not wanting to be, and not wanting to start being a role player. But like Webber said, show it on the floor. We both like hearing it but neither of us is impressed with how he's bringing it. And that's his own fault. I'd honestly be down with trading BOTH.

[red1]

http://www.pictureshack.us/images/26534_lunapic_134203775584263_4.gif

:biggums:

[ReturnofJPR]

Dude was a cancer from Day 1.

I don't know why this is a surprise to anyone. He's always been big headed, thinking he is better than what he is. He's a clown who dances on the sideline. He was treated like a spoiled child in Orlando. Now he is getting a wake up call. It's too bad LA doesn't have a real coach to put him in his place. No one respects D'Antoni.

[SCdac]

somebody said in another thread , "it's hard to tell where his poor health ends and his unmotivated play begins"

I completely agree.

Athletically, he's looked better than he did around November and pre-season. But he looks uninvolved, on both ends. Looks like he's not even a part of the team. Invisible at times.

By default, Dwight was the best big man in the league (crappy era for bigs), but so much of his game relied on athleticism and being stronger. His fundamentals and decision making are pure crap. The would be an entirely different discussion if the guy just had... a jump shot (!) ... but he doesn't.

Even if he wasn't recovering, anybody who's watched him can tell you he's already turnover prone, foul prone, and privy to goaltending the ball more than anybody in the league.

[STATUTORY]

After the game he (Dwight) brought a stat sheet around the locker room to show some teammates and reporters how he got only five field-goal attempts ... a few minutes before the demoted Gasol spoke gracefully across the room about "not pointing fingers, owning up to our responsibilities, wanting to get out of this and having the pride necessary that it takes to utilize our talents and go beat the opponent – no matter who it is, no matter where we are."


Despite Kobe Bryant shooting at a career-high level, Howard has mocked Bryant's shooting stats behind his back when he hasn't shot well, leaving Lakers teammates feeling awfully uncomfortable.
http://www.ocregister.com/sports/howard-408753-lakers-team.html
:biggums:

this guy is straight bitchmade. jealousy and passive aggressiveness are feminine traits and this guy be exihibiting them like a bitch in heat

[SCdac]

:biggums:

this guy is straight bitchmade. jealousy and passive aggressiveness are feminine traits and this guy be exihibiting them like a bitch in heat

both Kobe and Howard are bitchmade...

got links for those quotes?

[wakencdukest]

The fact is, he's playing like a bitch right now. He brings the ball down every time he gets it, gets stripped, he gets beat on defense, commits stupid fouls every game, he shows no intensity, what the f@#k? You can only blame the system so long. He needs to start playing like a man.

[ReturnofJPR]

:biggums:

this guy is straight bitchmade. jealousy and passive aggressiveness are feminine traits and this guy be exihibiting them like a bitch in heat

I wouldn't use the words bitch, heat, and herpes when you have a g@y looking wade in your avi. Remember, Wade is a deadbeat Dad who abandoned his children in the city of Chicago. It's always on the news here..

The Lakers would be fine if they benched Dwight Howard.

Nash
Kobe
Artest
Clarke
Gasol

It's either that or bring in a real coach that the players and city respects.

[The_Yearning]

Please... people who actually watch basketball games besides the Lakers or the Heat knew D12 was all athleticism and no substance. No skills in the post, gets stripped, no intangibles, unfocused, smiles when he or the team loses, and can't make a free throw to save his life.

And on top of all that, he thinks he should be more involved and the leader of this Laker organization?

I was so happy when Howard went to the Lakers because I knew he would get exposed in a big time organization... in Orlando he was too shielded for his shortcomings in not only as a player, but a person.

Guy is bitchmade to the core.

[Whoah10115]

both Kobe and Howard are bitchmade...

got links for those quotes?



LOL at Kobe. That's just a matter of preference and factually a stupid thing to say. Call me when you say it about Shaq.



And while I agree with your previous post about Howard (regarding this season), I think you go off-track because you're biased. I'm not saying you don't have a point -because you do- but you're exaggerating.

[Screamingdoom]

I'll be honest I barely watched him before LA. I'm totally unimpressed by him. Probably the most frustrating player to watch. He gets stripped, can't make any coordinated shots and then smiles like it's nothing. He's a moron

[SCdac]

LOL at Kobe. That's just a matter of preference and factually a stupid thing to say. Call me when you say it about Shaq.


Shaq too. Never liked him. Both him and Kobe are egotistical douches. If anything, Shaq is worse. I'm going off history, not off opinion. Neither of them I'd call ideal teammates outside of being great talents.

But at least guys like Shaq, Garnett, and Duncan realized as they got older to share the responsibility of being the head honcho. Something Kobe seems allergic to. Kobe is going to shoot till his arm falls off, while Dwight Howard becomes more and more disinteresting and dissatisfied.

and there's nothing "bias" about saying Howard is turnover prone, foul prone, lead the league in goaltends, and has no jumpshot to speak of... that's fact

[swag2011]

like everyone else i barely watched him before he went to LA. I just knew that he always dominated against Bynum so i wanted him on the lakers.


Bynum last year>>>>>>Dwight this year. We thought we were getting an upgrade. Dwight has been completely unimpressive and he's proved to me he's not a franchise piece for a team like the Lakers. Complete trash offensively, i don't think i've ever seen someone get stripped so much. No post game, can't shoot free throws.

[ReturnofJPR]

Noah owned Dwight in the post.

Boozer owned Dwight in the post.

Nazr Mohammed owned Dwight in the post.

A Deng-Less and Derrick Rose-less Bulls team completely Pwn3d Kobe Bryant, Dwight Howard, Steve Nash, Pau Gasol, and the city of Los Angeles. :lol


...Pathetic for LA and all the Laker fans!

[STATUTORY]

like everyone else i barely watched him before he went to LA. I just knew that he always dominated against Bynum so i wanted him on the lakers.


Bynum last year>>>>>>Dwight this year. We thought we were getting an upgrade. Dwight has been completely unimpressive and he's proved to me he's not a franchise piece for a team like the Lakers. Complete trash offensively, i don't think i've ever seen someone get stripped so much. No post game, can't shoot free throws.

that's not true. Bynum always gave him fits on defense and scored on him at will on offense.

Dwight was never impressive to me even in orlando, i knew his game was built on athleticism so I was worried about that back injury. but the degree of his ineptitude and loser attitude is shocking even to me.

I wanna hear from shaqattack, what do you think of those quotes? I know u are a big dwight fan but can u defend them.

[Nick Young]

Speak for yourself, I knew Dwight was overrated for years. I saw lots of Orlando games when Dwight was there.
I was saying it for years and called a troll everytime I pointed out his horrible shit offensive game. Stats nerds who dont watch games are the only ones who hyped up D12

[Nick Young]

that's not true. Bynum always gave him fits on defense and scored on him at will on offense.

Dwight was never impressive to me even in orlando, i knew his game was built on athleticism so I was worried about that back injury. but the degree of his ineptitude and loser attitude is shocking even to me.

I wanna hear from shaqattack, what do you think of those quotes? I know u are a big dwight fan but can u defend them.
Exactly! Bynum always shut D12 down and lit him up on offense despite being a 3rd option while D12 was the first.

[STATUTORY]

I was saying it for years and called a troll everytime I pointed out his horrible shit offensive game. Stats nerds who dont watch games are the only ones who hyped up D12
it's telling there's no contingent of dwight fans on this forum. no one likes to watch his corny ass parade around the court.

[Nick Young]

it's telling there's no contingent of dwight fans on this forum. no one likes to watch his corny ass parade around the court.
There are delusional Magic fans who keep claiming he was better in Orlando.

Nope. His game is exactly the same then as it is now. The difference is he's hustling less on defense, due to in his own words not touching the ball enough on offense.

Working hard on D was the only reason he used to be good, now he is trying to work less hard and coast on talent that he doesn't have.

Dwight also disappears when he plays for team USA, when the team isnt built around covering his flaws he is useless and can't do anything. Euro-teams used to attack Dwight with no fear, we had to play Tyson Chandler and Odom instead of him because Dwight couldnt defend the PnR.

This man is all reputation, based on people assuming he'd improve after the 2009 finals, the facts are his skills have not improved at all, the only difference is he's lost athleticism and stopped hustling as much because he started believing his own hype. 3 years and he still hasn't learned the basic skill of keeping the ball up high at all times and he still has only 2 post moves and brick hands. He doesn't seem to know how to spin baseline either, he always spins into traffic even when the baseline is wideopen, it's like he's retarded sometimes. Spin into traffic with the ball low when all you need to do is a simple dropstep and you have an open dunk instead, he keeps doing it over and over.

Smiling on the bench with a 4 game losing streak, ignoring Nash's freethrow advice, man I really hate this guy.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

Did OP miss the 2009 playoffs?

[STATUTORY]

There are delusional Magic fans who keep claiming he was better in Orlando.

Nope. His game is exactly the same then as it is now. The difference is he's hustling less on defense, due to in his own words not touching the ball enough on offense.

Working hard on D was the only reason he used to be good, now he is trying to work less hard and coast on talent that he doesn't have.

Dwight also disappears when he plays for team USA, when the team isnt built around covering his flaws he is useless and can't do anything. Euro-teams used to attack Dwight with no fear, we had to play Tyson Chandler and Odom instead of him because Dwight couldnt defend the PnR.

This man is all reputation, based on people assuming he'd improve after the 2009 finals, the facts are his skills have not improved at all, the only difference is he's lost athleticism and stopped hustling as much because he started believing his own hype. 3 years and he still hasn't learned the basic skill of keeping the ball up high at all times and he still has only 2 post moves and brick hands. He doesn't seem to know how to spin baseline either, he always spins into traffic even when the baseline is wideopen, it's like he's retarded sometimes. Spin into traffic with the ball low when all you need to do is a simple dropstep and you have an open dunk instead, he keeps doing it over and over.

Smiling on the bench with a 4 game losing streak, ignoring Nash's freethrow advice, man I really hate this guy.

spot on.


I've constantly tried to help him out, tried to talk to him," Bryant said. "Two o'clock in the morning, three o'clock in the morning. Texting him. Sharing reading materials. Anything to try and help him.

look @ what kobe is doing for this happy meal eating fool.

and he's going around the lockerroom waving a stat sheet and clowning kobe behind his back.

we be winning more games if he wasn't here and we just played pau at center.

[alleykat]

This thread has already been made like 4 days ago....

[BarberSchool]

it's like he's retarded sometimes.
That is the bottom line. Everything else would be better if Dwight did not suffer from some sort of learning disability, or other similar cognitive handicap. It's painfully obvious at this point. I have had to work with students who have learning disabilities & developmental disorders, who are basically operating as adults with a child's mind. It's extremely sad. Even worse (and more difficult) when the subject is ignorantly happy in inappropriate situations/circumstances, or unwarrantedly loud or arrogant.

And Dwight appears to purvey all those negative attributes. It's truly a shame.


All Dwight's career-long-problems are predicated on three things:

1. a severe lack of intelligence
2. a severe lack of focus/drive/will
3. a severe lack in work ethic

Now take those three lifelong attributes, and take away his god-given athleticism with a very unfortunate back injury, and it becomes heartbreaking to anyone who has invested time or money trying to help and develop Dwight all these years.

RIP the Dwight Howard everyone thought he was.

[STATUTORY]

That is the bottom line. Everything else would be better if Dwight did not suffer from some sort of learning disability, or other similar cognitive handicap. It's painfully obvious at this point. I have had to work with students who have learning disabilities & developmental disorders, who are basically operating as adults with a child's mind. It's extremely sad. Even worse (and more difficult) when the subject is ignorantly happy in inappropriate situations/circumstances, or unwarrantedly loud or arrogant.

And Dwight appears to purvey all those negative attributes. It's truly a shame.


All Dwight's career-long-problems are predicated on three things:

1. a severe lack of intelligence
2. a severe lack of focus/drive/will
3. a severe lack in work ethic

Now take those three lifelong attributes, and take away his god-given athleticism with a very unfortunate back injury, and it becomes heartbreaking to anyone who has invested time or money trying to help and develop Dwight all these years.

RIP the Dwight Howard everyone thought he was.

all part of parcel of his formative years. this is guy that was coddled as a "miracle baby" by his mother. clearly lacked discipline and grew up thinking the world revolves around him. he thinks he's the reincarnation of jesus himself man.

[andgar923]

Speak for yourself, I knew Dwight was overrated for years. I saw lots of Orlando games when Dwight was there.

I used to get criticized and called a hater for pointing out the obvious.

I remember Kobe fans in their effort to prop up today's era would claim how he'd be dominant in the 90s. They mocked me for some of my comments in the past, but I simply stated what was obvious to anybody with half a brain.

Now he's the latest Kobeite escape goat, so of course now he sucks.

[Levity]

Another Dwight hating thread lol. If you really hate Dwight, how about trade him to the Nets? He will be averaging 25/15/3 on 62%FG, and close in the MVP hunt. Blame Dwight for your team's incapability of using him properly?

you keep saying dwight would average 25 pts with the nets, but how? Deron's a great pick n roll pg, yes. but so is steve nash (in fact, hes better) but the fact remains, dwight isnt as good as high pick and rolls as everyone thought he was during the off season

he just doesnt know how to set a proper screen, let alone, roll off it. and if somehow the defense plays retardedly enough to let him roll in a lane they leave open, then dwights shitty hands come into play. the guy cant catch a ball to save his life. its like he had mono during the time they taught his high school team how to run pick and rolls.

so if you take out the shitty pick and roll from dwights offensive arsenal, that just leaves you with his athletic ability to score on defenders. well, thats obviously diminished this season. it may come back, but who knows. but 25 ppg for dwight seems mutually exclusive to a winning team this season.

[The-Legend-24]

http://www.ocregister.com/sports/howard-408753-lakers-team.html
:biggums:

this guy is straight bitchmade. jealousy and passive aggressiveness are feminine traits and this guy be exihibiting them like a bitch in heat
Damn, and this is the guy talking about improving team chemistry? :biggums:

That's some straight p*ssy shit right there. I hope Kobe puts on his 5 rings on his fingers, shows them to him, and knocks this nigguh out cold with them..

[Whoah10115]

Shaq too. Never liked him. Both him and Kobe are egotistical douches. If anything, Shaq is worse. I'm going off history, not off opinion. Neither of them I'd call ideal teammates outside of being great talents.

But at least guys like Shaq, Garnett, and Duncan realized as they got older to share the responsibility of being the head honcho. Something Kobe seems allergic to. Kobe is going to shoot till his arm falls off, while Dwight Howard becomes more and more disinteresting and dissatisfied.

and there's nothing "bias" about saying Howard is turnover prone, foul prone, lead the league in goaltends, and has no jumpshot to speak of... that's fact



Different situation for all of them.


Shaq went to Miami and coasted thru parts of the season. The next year he had serious injuries and Wade just exploded.

Garnett was traded to the Celtics and played with Pierce, Allen, and strong and defensive team.


Duncan didn't just change overnight. He started taking the regular season a lot more lightly during the 04/05 season and it was more and more the case over the next few years. Popovich's system started to become more and more prominent and it became a true equal-opportunity offense, with Ginobili and Parker becoming all-stars.

The Lakers are stacked up top, without the right supporting cast and players (more so than the coach, tho he is very culpable) that have not done things the right way. Having Nash miss all that time didn't help either. They could have afford to lose Dwight (even healthy), but they could not afford to lose Nash. Now they have to climb out of it.


And, like I said, you made legitimate points about Dwight. But I said it's exaggerated due to what I see as a bias. I know you disagree with that too, but that is what I said.

[STATUTORY]

Damn, and this is the guy talking about improving team chemistry? :biggums:

That's some straight p*ssy shit right there. I hope Kobe puts on his 5 rings on his fingers, shows them to him, and knocks this nigguh out cold with them..
who's the girl in ur avatar?

[KyrieTheFuture]

OP has now confirmed he is a box score/sports center watcher not an actual basketball fan. Stop blaming Dwight it's so damn old man.

[Whoah10115]

I like that the idiots continue to disregard that Finals thing I brought up. One other person mentioned the 2009 playoffs. But yea, he's always been overrated and he's getting exposed now that he's on an actual team. Yes, that's what it is.

[2LeTTeRS]

Speak for yourself, although I can't believe this is the same player that caused me to make this thread in 2007 >>>> http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64085


Dwight Howard >>> Your favorite player

Ok maybe not but its close. The Magic are becoming my favorite team outside my Cats. I always liked Dwight but now watching him play is amazing. He seems to be the strongest, fastest, quickest 5 in th league all at the same time. I haven't seen that combination since D Rob, Hakeem and maybe a motivated young Shaq were dominating the league.


Just looking at the box score Dwight sounds impressiave enough with 15 points, 10 rebounds, with at least 2 blocks and 6 dunks but watching game its more than that. Dwight has caught 4 alley oop dunks already just off his athleticism, and staying active on offens and like I said its still only the 2nd quarter. In back to back possessions the man has caught 2 straight alleys, and then on the next play got a putback dunk off an ofensive rebound. For everybody who said he was just a rebounder or wouldn't be as good as Oden its time to reevaluate, nobody in the league has a high off a ceilling as D12.

[outbreak]

How about you be honest and admit that you didn't watch him. I watched most of his games for the last few years. He'll be fine once he leaves L.A for a team that implements a system that actually involves him how he should be involved and actually has a ball handler who will call plays and direct traffic. Kobe is THE only problem on this lakers team.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Sorry, but this is an incredibly stupid thread. I'm not a Magic fan, but I regularly tuned in to see Dwight, who was already on national television A LOT his last few years in Orlando. Magic fans will tell you that I was often in the game threads discussing Dwight and the Magic. I know his game better than 95% of this board at least. Aside from the nationally televised games, I have 2 Eastern Conference teams in my local television market.

Anyone who thinks Dwight is particularly close to 100% athletically is one of the people who didn't watch him before this year. Actually, based on some of the comments, I already suspected many didn't. Dwight is regularly missing close shots that he'd have brought the rim down with in Orlando. He was regularly finishing lay ups with contact too. Plus, he's been late on a lot of his rotations this year, which was not the case in Orlando.

That's one of the problems, he's nowhere near as explosive and doesn't move nearly as fluidly. Another problem is Dwight's fault, he clearly isn't playing as hard as he use to. But D'Antoni has been a major problem as well. The guy is a terrible coach, I saw it in NY, and he's maybe doing an even worse job. He's not putting Dwight in a position to succeed. That's a major difference. Stan Van Gundy was an excellent coach who put Dwight in a position to succeed offensively, and made use of his (at the time) unmatched ability defensively.



:oldlol: u are clearly someone that never seen dwight play. he's NEVER averaged more than 22 points per game but he would do that for the nets right? :rolleyes:

He did average more than 22. He averaged 23/14 on 59% in 2011. And he was scoring more after he Gortat trade. In January and February of that year, he averaged 27/15 on 63% over 27 games, iirc.

These pathetic attempts to act like he's never had more ability than Tyson Chandler offensively are so stupid I get a headache from hearing them. You think Tyson ever had any chance of averaging 23? Or 27 over a 2 month stretch? It's laughable, and I love what Tyson has done for the Knicks.

And he wasn't doing that by being spoonfed. First of all, you can't produce like that purely as the result of spoonfeeding, second of all, he wasn't playing with a great playmaker.

Here are 2 ordinary games for 2011 Dwight where you can see him regularly creating his own shot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaBfWMNePCw&list=UU9WYFilouknOqaEnLuEbVww&index=197#t=1m09s

Some more from the same game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaBfWMNePCw&list=UU9WYFilouknOqaEnLuEbVww&index=197#t=1m40s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaBfWMNePCw&list=UU9WYFilouknOqaEnLuEbVww&index=197#t=2m05s

Not an unusual game for him by any stretch. And here's another game that was also by no stretch unusual.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ga1b87T0KYc&list=UU9WYFilouknOqaEnLuEbVww&index=198#t=1m04s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ga1b87T0KYc&list=UU9WYFilouknOqaEnLuEbVww&index=198#t=1m11s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ga1b87T0KYc&list=UU9WYFilouknOqaEnLuEbVww&index=198#t=1m28s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ga1b87T0KYc&list=UU9WYFilouknOqaEnLuEbVww&index=198#t=2m00s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ga1b87T0KYc&list=UU9WYFilouknOqaEnLuEbVww&index=198#t=2m49s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ga1b87T0KYc&list=UU9WYFilouknOqaEnLuEbVww&index=198#t=3m00s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ga1b87T0KYc&list=UU9WYFilouknOqaEnLuEbVww&index=198#t=3m27s

Just 2 games...and by no means were they his best.

Stop trying to revise history, it's embarrassing.

[The-Legend-24]

who's the girl in ur avatar?
Victoria Justice.

[chazzy]

Shaqattack shut this thread down. People act like there isn't any video footage of Dwight from previous seasons, where he's CLEARLY playing differently. It's so obvious.

[KyrieTheFuture]

I think there should just be a new rule that if ShaqAttack argues with you, you can't respond. He destroys people every single time...."with no regard for human life!"

[Lebron23]

Dwight is still a good NBA player. It sucks that he's being under-utilized in LA.

[Whoah10115]

Shaqattack shut this thread down. People act like there isn't any video footage of Dwight from previous seasons, where he's CLEARLY playing differently. It's so obvious.



There is no footage!

[ShaqAttack3234]

There is no footage!

Unlike Nixon, they will destroy the tapes!

[Whoah10115]

Unlike Nixon, they will destroy the tapes!



:oldlol:

[SCdac]

Offensively what Howard is missing is fundamental offense to fall back on and natural finesse around the basket. If this is any indication of what Dwight will be start to become a few years from now (at 31 years old), it's quite alarming IMO. This is a player who has regressed before. So much of his game relies on athleticism, not necessarily world-class moves and finishes. He's not the playmaking type and his dribbling is average at best. He has no reliable jump shot whatsoever, which is an overall weakness (not necessarily causing the Lakers to lose), and it's getting to the point where he might forget about improving that aspect of his game altogether. He took 120+ shots from 10 feet-and-out in 2011, but that shrunk to about 20 shots last year. From that distance this season, Howard has shot horribly. He doesn't have the lift and normal explosiveness of that past few years, but, clearly his game is limited with or without it (much like other great players)... Regardless of his weaknesses, I've been pretty adamant in other threads that he needs more touches, more lobs, more cuts to basket with multiple screens, etc. It doesn't have to be pure post ups (like we saw so much in 2011). From a basketball standpoint, it's clear that's how the Lakers will be successful. Kobe, and D'Antoni's system alike, don't seem to have the patience for Howard's back-to-the-basket game. To quote Andrew Bynum, "he's going to have to get accustomed to playing with Kobe and not touching the ball every single play". And that's the truth.

[taucesays]

http://f.cl.ly/items/3b3F342z11113x070E1Q/Screen%20Shot%202013-01-22%20at%203.52.13%20PM.png
Notice the spacing? This is what Dwight needs to operate. The Lakers don't have the shooters to make that happen but that's beside the point. The Lakers proved that Dwight+shooters isn't a winning formula when they spanked Orlando in the finals. Now we see Dwight in an offense that isn't tailor-made for him and he's getting stripped or fouled before the shot.