Durant's having the GOAT scoring season

[28renyoy]

Unmatched combination of volume/efficiency when adjusted for pace. He's not only doing it on 50/40/90, but he's also doing it while playing off the ball.

And his past 35 games...:bowdown:

31.1 ppg on 53/44/92 67.1 TS% :bowdown:

[gengiskhan]

Unmatched combination of volume/efficiency when adjusted for pace. He's not only doing it on 50/40/90, but he's also doing it while playing off the ball.

And his past 35 games...:bowdown:

31.1 ppg on 53/44/92 67.1 TS% :bowdown:

GOAT word in the thread should only be used for MJ, Magic or Larry

btw how is 31.1 PPG a GOAT scoring season ?:facepalm

I mean the other guy had 32.5 PPG / 8 RPG / 8 APG :rolleyes:

a season after having 35 PPG :facepalm

GOAT my ar$e :coleman:

[28renyoy]

GOAT word in the thread should only be used for MJ, Magic or Larry

btw how is 31.1 PPG a GOAT scoring season ?:facepalm

I mean the other guy had 32.5 PPG / 8 RPG / 8 APG :rolleyes:

a season after having 35 PPG :facepalm

GOAT my ar$e :coleman:

LOL @ comparing 30 ppg 65 TS% to 31 ppg 58 TS%

[MavsPoke]

I love Durant.

GOAT means Greatest of All Time. He is not doing that.

But I do love Durant. He's a Jedi and the savior of the league if you are a Heat/Lebron/Whistle hater.

[28renyoy]

I love Durant.

GOAT means Greatest of All Time. He is not doing that.

But I do love Durant. He's a Jedi and the savior of the league if you are a Heat/Lebron/Whistle hater.

Who has had a better scoring season? The only arguable one is Jordan 35 ppg on 60 TS%. But you have to consider, Durant is posting 30 ppg on 66 TS%. That number is absolutely otherwordly. His ORTG right now is equal to Jordan's career high and 3 points above LeBron's career high.

I have a hard time buying 5 more ppg>6% higher efficiency

[ThatsGame]

His PPG is inflated because he gets like 21 FT's a game. That isn't otherworldly, he just gets free shots.

[Money 23]

52 points on 13 FGs made? Absolutely not.

Guy is being GIFTED free-throws.

[pauk]

Why specifically last 35 games?

Anyways, no... just no... but it indeed is impressive...

Even Larry Bird did better than that at higher volume:

In 76 games he averaged 30 PPG @ 53 - 41 - 92 (on top of that he dropped 6 apg and 9 rpg) and playing less minutes than Durant and MUCH LESS FREETHROWS

[28renyoy]

Why specifically last 35 games?

Anyways, no... just no...

Even Larry Bird did better than that at higher volume:

In 76 games he averaged 30 PPG @ 53 - 41 - 92 (on top of that he dropped 6 apg and 9 rpg)

:roll:

30 ppg 60 TS%<<<<<30 ppg 66 TS%

Get real.

Durant's on the verge of leading the league in both scoring and efficiency, he's currently behind ONLY Tyson Chandler in TS%.

[elementally morale]

Even Larry Bird did better than that at higher volume:


What do you mean by 'even' Larry Bird? You spit out his name as if he were some average scorer, lol.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe's 06/07 season

10 50pt games
18 40pt games

> Durant's season

[chazzy]

Statistically it's up there, but if you look at scoring numbers without context then Dantley has also had better scoring seasons than MJ. I'll take the guy who can explode for big games more often and relies less on suspect foul calls, personally. People on ISH are underrating it in general though.

[28renyoy]

Statistically it's up there, but if you look at scoring numbers without context then Dantley has also had better scoring seasons than MJ. I'll take the guy who can explode for big games more often and relies less on suspect foul calls, personally. People on ISH are underrating it in general though.

Dantley was a black hole who had a negative impact on his TEAMS offense. He would use elaborate post ups that would eat up the shot clock and result in an easy shot, foul, or him passing it to a teammate with 3 seconds left on the shot clock for a contested shot.

Also he played in an era where there was a ridiculous pace. In today's league, Dantley averages 26~ ppg if you adjust for pace.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Maybe the most babied superstar in league history. The guy is a beast and the 2nd best player in the NBA by a mile. But I wish the refs would quit holding his hand

[28renyoy]

Maybe the most babied superstar in league history. The guy is a beast and the 2nd best player in the NBA by a mile. But I wish the refs would quit holding his hand

Cry more. He's averaging 9.3 FTA per game and he drives to the basket A LOT. Not to mention his arms are so long, it's very easy for him to draw contact.

If you want to talk about someone being babied, talk about Kobe.

He is literally nothing but a jumpshooter at this point in his career and he's still averaging 8 FTA

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Dantley was a black hole who had a negative impact on his TEAMS offense. He would use elaborate post ups that would eat up the shot clock and result in an easy shot, foul, or him passing it to a teammate with 3 seconds left on the shot clock for a contested shot.

Also he played in an era where there was a ridiculous pace. In today's league, Dantley averages 26~ ppg if you adjust for pace.

You're using "context" now. Good job. :oldlol:

[Deuce Bigalow]

Statistically it's up there, but if you look at scoring numbers without context then Dantley has also had better scoring seasons than MJ. I'll take the guy who can explode for big games more often and relies less on suspect foul calls, personally. People on ISH are underrating it in general though.
Dantley 82-83: 30.7 ppg on 58.0 FG%/66.1 TS%/18.3 FGA

GOAT :bowdown:

[28renyoy]

Dantley 82-83: 30.7 ppg on 58.0 FG%/66.1 TS%/18.3 FGA

GOAT :bowdown:

You do realize he played 22 games that season, right?

[pauk]

What do you mean by 'even' Larry Bird? You spit out his name as if he were some average scorer, lol.

I meant that Bird had a better scoring season in similar fashion and not even that season is considered the GOAT scoring season...

There were many actual better scoring seasons, if 28renyoy was able to dettach Durants skinny genitals out of his face he would be able to see it...

[SilkkTheShocker]

Dantley 82-83: 30.7 ppg on 58.0 FG%/66.1 TS%/18.3 FGA

GOAT :bowdown:


http://gifs.gifbin.com/1237576337_daffy-jerking.gif

[Deuce Bigalow]

You do realize he played 22 games that season, right?
He did the same thing next season

30.6 ppg on 18.2 shots SO EFFICIENT

[28renyoy]

I meant that Bird had a better scoring season in similar fashion and not even that season is considered the GOAT scoring season...

There were many actual better scoring seasons, if 28renyoy was able to dettach Durants skinny genitals out of his mouth he would be able to see it...

Oh the irony. I'm amazed that you continue to use FG%, but I guess it makes since seeing as it supports LeBron.

You do realize your favorite stat, PER, even uses TS%, correct?

[CavaliersFTW]

50 points per game

[28renyoy]

He did the same thing next season

30.6 ppg on 18.2 shots SO EFFICIENT

Dantley posted
30.6 ppg 65.2 TS% while leading an offense that wasn't even top 5 in the league

Adjusted Durant to that team's pace and he's averaging
33.5 ppg 65.7 TS% while anchoring one of the greatest offenses in NBA history

[chazzy]

He is literally nothing but a jumpshooter at this point in his career and he's still averaging 8 FTA
So what does that make Durant?

Shots at the rim

Durant - 183
Kobe - 189

[Deuce Bigalow]

Dantley posted
30.6 ppg 65.2 TS% while leading an offense that wasn't even top 5 in the league

Adjusted Durant to that team's pace and he's averaging
33.5 ppg 65.7 TS% while anchoring one of the greatest offenses in NBA history
No adjusting. Post his numbers.

[Money 23]

LOL why are you guy's clowning Dantley? He was nice on those Knick teams.

[SilkkTheShocker]

LOL why are you guy's clowning Dantley? He was nice on those Knick teams.


He never played for the Knicks bro

[Doctor Rivers]

Unmatched combination of volume/efficiency when adjusted for pace. He's not only doing it on 50/40/90, but he's also doing it while playing off the ball.

And his past 35 games...:bowdown:

31.1 ppg on 53/44/92 67.1 TS% :bowdown:

LeBron >> Durant

[SilkkTheShocker]

OP, we should wait until Durant is at least on Dantley's level before we make this thread

[Money 23]

He never played for the Knicks bro
I'm confusing him for King. Do it all the time, my fault.

[SilkkTheShocker]

I'm confusing him for King. Do it all the time, my fault.


:cheers:

[28renyoy]

I mean really? People arguing with me who thought Dantley played for the Knicks?

Don't understand why we adjust for pace? Use PER but dismiss TS% which is in the PER formula, not FG% mind you.

This place is a joke

[SilkkTheShocker]

Durant is still only 24. I can see him surpassing Dantley as a player in the near future

[Doctor Rivers]

I mean really? People arguing with me who thought Dantley played for the Knicks?

Don't understand why we adjust for pace? Use PER but dismiss TS% which is in the PER formula, not FG% mind you.

This place is a joke

LeBron >> Durant

[chazzy]

Use PER but dismiss TS% which is in the PER formula, not FG% mind you.
Yeah it's pretty dumb when people do this, especially in the same post

[28renyoy]

Durant is still only 24. I can see him surpassing Dantley as a player in the near future

despite the blatant trolling, it's quite clear you're intellectually inferior

[SilkkTheShocker]

despite the blatant trolling, it's quite clear you're intellectually inferior


Than what was the point of responding to my post? Seems like im in your head. I feel bad your parents have such a weak-minded person for a son.

[28renyoy]

Than what was the point of responding to my post? Seems like im in your head. I feel bad your parents have such a weak-minded person for a son.

being white:feelsgoodman :pimp:

[Bigsmoke]

lol this dickrider

[Bigsmoke]

LOL why are you guy's clowning Dantley? He was nice on those Knick teams.

I always mistake Alex English with Adrian Dantley

i kept forgetting that English was the one that was scoring lights out for the Nuggets and Dantley was the one who did a horrible job coaching the Nuggets after Karl was diagnosed with cancer.

[I.R.Beast]

GOAT word in the thread should only be used for MJ, Magic or Larry

btw how is 31.1 PPG a GOAT scoring season ?:facepalm

I mean the other guy had 32.5 PPG / 8 RPG / 8 APG :rolleyes:

a season after having 35 PPG :facepalm

GOAT my ar$e :coleman:
Magic and larry played on superstacked teams f**k them

[Papaya Petee]

I can think of SO many players who have had better offensive seasons than Durant this year. TS% is a bullshit stat so you can prop up your boy :roll:

2008-2009 Wade - 30.2 PPG 7.5 APG on 50% shooting
2009-2010 LeBron- 29.7 PPG 8.6 APG on 50% shooting
Current Year LeBron- 26.5 PPG 7.1 APG on 55% shooting 40% 3 PT
2006-2007 Kobe - 31.6 PPG 5.4 APG on 46% shooting

Those are just a few on top of my head. Never mind those guys were lights out better defenders than Durant.

Get off his dick.

[SilkkTheShocker]

being white:feelsgoodman :pimp:
Lol at u thinking I'm black

[28renyoy]

Lol at u thinking I'm black

If you're white, you have shamed our race

[juju151111]

I can think of SO many players who have had better offensive seasons than Durant this year. TS% is a bullshit stat so you can prop up your boy :roll:

2008-2009 Wade - 30.2 PPG 7.5 APG on 50% shooting
2009-2010 LeBron- 29.7 PPG 8.6 APG on 50% shooting
Current Year LeBron- 26.5 PPG 7.1 APG on 55% shooting 40% 3 PT
2006-2007 Kobe - 31.6 PPG 5.4 APG on 46% shooting

Those are just a few on top of my head. Never mind those guys were lights out better defenders than Durant.

Get off his dick.
How is that Kobe season better? :lol

[PJR]

Joyner is annyong, but if Durant finishes the year with 30ppg on 50/40/90, that is absolutely ridiculous. And pretty much would be the greatest volume scoring season overall that I can recollect.

[SilkkTheShocker]

If you're white, you have shamed our race
And u haven't nut-riding a 7 foot black guy? :oldlol: I'm sure your those in your Klan meeting wouldn't take too kindly to that :oldlol:

[28renyoy]

And u haven't nut-riding a 7 foot black guy? :oldlol: I'm sure your those in your Klan meeting wouldn't take too kindly to that :oldlol:

I'm not racist in the least, it just feels good being white.

But yes, if you are white you are an insult to our race. Just as you are an insult to the black race as well

[LeBird]

Joyner is annyong, but if Durant finishes the year with 30ppg on 50/40/90, that is absolutely ridiculous. And pretty much would be the greatest volume scoring season overall that I can recollect.

Bird basically did that in 87-88, and took less free-throws. Also 9.3 rebounds and 6.1 assists to boot.

[Bigsmoke]

I can think of SO many players who have had better offensive seasons than Durant this year. TS% is a bullshit stat so you can prop up your boy :roll:

2008-2009 Wade - 30.2 PPG 7.5 APG on 50% shooting
2009-2010 LeBron- 29.7 PPG 8.6 APG on 50% shooting
Current Year LeBron- 26.5 PPG 7.1 APG on 55% shooting 40% 3 PT
2006-2007 Kobe - 31.6 PPG 5.4 APG on 46% shooting

Those are just a few on top of my head. Never mind those guys were lights out better defenders than Durant.

Get off his dick.

couldn't have said it better.

[red1]

Joyner vs silk leggo. I am going to go work for a couple hours, when I get back I hope to see a page long race war don't let me down boys

[28renyoy]

I hate to say it, but ISH is only good for trolling. The basketball discussion is a total joke when compared when realgm. People can't even grasp TS% here

They act like shooting a 3 at 40% isn't better than shooting a 2 at 50%. Or fail to understand that FT's are 20% of the offensive game in basketball

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I hate to say it, but ISH is only good for trolling. The basketball discussion is a total joke when compared when realgm. People can't even grasp TS% here

Many "grasp" the concept of TS%. eFG% and FG% are just better. What coaches use "TS%"? When Lebron criticized himself for bad shot selection was he thinking awww fvck, I messed with my TS%!!?:oldlol:

Get outta here trying to prop up Durant. He's not even a better scorer than '09 Wade.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Many "grasp" the concept of TS%. eFG% and FG% are just better. What coaches use "TS%"? When Lebron criticized himself for bad shot selection was he thinking awww fvck, I messed with my TS%!!?:oldlol:

Get outta here trying to prop up Durant. He's not even a better scorer than '09 Wade.

Durant this year is more versatile of a scorer than 09 wade

Durant is harder to plan for because his versatility scoring the ball

[28renyoy]

Many "grasp" the concept of TS%. eFG% and FG% are just better. What coaches use "TS%"? When Lebron criticized himself for bad shot selection was he thinking awww fvck, I messed with my TS%!!?:oldlol:

Get outta here trying to prop up Durant. He's not even a better scorer than '09 Wade.


So free throws do not matter? And a 3 pointer counting more than a 2 does not matter? Is that what you're telling me?

[chazzy]

What coaches use "TS%"? When Lebron criticized himself for bad shot selection was he thinking awww fvck, I messed with my TS%!!?:oldlol:
The unpopularity of a stat shouldn't demean it's accuracy. TV analysts still use team PPG as a measure of how good their offense/defense is.. lol

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

So free throws do not matter? And a 3 pointer counting more than a 2 does not matter? Is that what you're telling me?

Of course free throws matter. Points from the field will ALWAYS be more important, however.

Coaches don't group these stats and adjust for the fact that one 3PT is worth an extra point than a 2PT shot. Missed possessions from the field, from anywhere, carry the same weight.

[28renyoy]

Of course free throws matter. Points from the field will ALWAYS be more important, however.

Coaches don't group these stats and adjust for the fact that one 3PT is worth an extra point than a 2PT shot. Missed possessions from the field, from anywhere, carry the same weight.

Not exactly, seeing as a missed free throw can come from an and 1 or a technical which would not be a wasted possession. This is why they're scaled down to .44 possessions per free throw.

And while a missed shot carries the same weight, a made shot does NOT carry the same weight. Which is why we use TS%. It's a measure of the amount of points you score per possession used shooting the basketball, not the amount of shots you make or miss

[chazzy]

Coaches don't group these stats and adjust for the fact that one 3PT is worth an extra point than a 2PT shot. Missed possessions from the field, from anywhere, carry the same weight.
But the made possessions don't carry the same weight. That's the difference. I'm pretty sure coaches look at offensive/defensive rating, which uses TS%

[Kovach]

Also he played in an era where there was a ridiculous pace. In today's league, Dantley averages 26~ ppg if you adjust for pace.
If Durant can take 18 shots per game what makes you think Dantley wouldn't? "Adjusting for pace" makes zero sense when applied to superstar players.

[28renyoy]

If Durant can take 18 shots per game what makes you think Dantley wouldn't? "Adjusting for pace" makes zero sense when applied to superstar players.

Fastbreak opportunities.

Also Dantley was NEVER a catch a shoot player, so his shot attempts were elongated and used entire possessions. Therefore there were less opportunities for him to shoot

[Jacks3]

don't even know why the OP bothers.

clowns here still use PPG to measure defensive/offensive effectiveness.

still use FG% to measure scoring efficiency.

and yes, Durant is having arguably the best scoring season ever. 30 PPG/66% TS while leading one of the greatest offenses in history is mind-boggling.

[heavensdevil]

I love Durant.

GOAT means Greatest of All Time. He is not doing that.

But I do love Durant. He's a Jedi and the savior of the league if you are a Heat/Lebron/Whistle hater.

No one, in the history if I am not mistaken has ever averaged 30 ppg while maintaining 50,40,90 percentages... so if you want to be technical, it is GOAT status.

[28renyoy]

No one, in the history if I am not mistaken has ever averaged 30 ppg while maintaining 50,40,90 percentages... so if you want to be technical, it is GOAT status.

The 50/40/90 means very little, it just means his shooting is complete. The 66 TS% is what makes this a remarkable season.

He literally might end up leading the league in both scoring and TS%, which would be absurd.

[heavensdevil]

The 50/40/90 means very little, it just means his shooting is complete. The 66 TS% is what makes this a remarkable season.

He literally might end up leading the league in both scoring and TS%, which would be absurd.


same sh1t :oldlol:

Either way...KD is a monster and every game he plays is a must watch.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Not exactly, seeing as a missed free throw can come from an and 1 or a technical which would not be a wasted possession. This is why they're scaled down to .44 possessions per free throw.

And while a missed shot carries the same weight, a made shot does NOT carry the same weight. Which is why we use TS%. It's a measure of the amount of points you score per possession used shooting the basketball, not the amount of shots you make or miss

While important, you just said it yourself; FT's only account for 20% of scoring.

Why can't you look at FTM/A and 3PM/A? Like Lebron does?

[quote]But as I

[2LeTTeRS]

The fact that you believe a season can be deemed "the greatest ever" based on nothing but stats means you know nothing about basketball. That is all.

[Kovach]

Fastbreak opportunities.

Also Dantley was NEVER a catch a shoot player, so his shot attempts were elongated and used entire possessions. Therefore there were less opportunities for him to shoot
Precisely why he had fewer attempts than other top scorers of that era. 18 fga isn't that much for the mid 80's, guys like English and Aquirre had 21 or more. Dantley also averaged 2 mpg less than Durant is today.

[28renyoy]

While important, you just said it yourself; FT's only account for 20% of scoring.

Why can't you look at FTM/A and 3PM/A? Like Lebron does?



On not settling for the 3 ball.

Team A shot 19/20 from the line and 25/60 from 3, while taking no 2 point attempts

Team B shot 1 25/35 from the line and 32/60 from the floor, while taking no 3 point attempts

Final score: Team A 94, Team B 91

Team B shot and made more free throws. Shot 53% from the floor. Yet they still lost to a team that shot and made less free throws, while shooting 42% from the floor.

Yet when you look at TS%

Team A shot 68.3 TS%
Team B shot 60.3 TS%

It's obvious that team A won. When offensive rebounding and turnovers are equal in an NBA game, the team that has the higher TS% will win 99% of the time

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Team A shot 19/20 from the line and 25/60 from 3, while taking no 2 point attempts

Team B shot 1 25/35 from the line and 32/60 from the floor, while taking no 3 point attempts

Final score: Team A 94, Team B 91

Problem with this example is no team (or "team A") would EVER attempt 60 3PT shots, let alone ZERO 2PT attempts.

Which is my point.

[TheMan]

His PPG is inflated because he gets like 21 FT's a game. That isn't otherworldly, he just gets free shots.
lol, you gotta love a Heat fan complaining about FTs:oldlol:

[chazzy]

When offensive rebounding and turnovers are equal in an NBA game, the team that has the higher TS% will win 99% of the time
What's the 1%?

[Sarcastic]

Adrian Dantley did the same thing Durant is doing. How come he's never on anyone's GOAT list?

[Kovach]

Adrian Dantley did the same thing Durant is doing. How come he's never on anyone's GOAT list?
He scored a lot, but didn't do much else.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Adrian Dantley did the same thing Durant is doing. How come he's never on anyone's GOAT list?

Because he's not as "flashy" and the 80's were "weak".

[28renyoy]

Problem with this example is it no team (or "team A") would EVER attempt 60 3PT shots, let alone ZERO 2PT attempts.

Which is my point.

OK fine then

Team A
32-75 from the field(42.7 FG%)
14-20 from the line(70 FT%)
12-30 from 3(40 3P%)

Team B
34-75 from the field(45.3 FG%)
15-20 from the line(75 FT%)
6-14 from 3(42.8 3P%)
Team A: 90
Team B: 89

So despite the fact Team B shot the exact SAME amount of FT's and FGA's, while shooting better percentages from 2 point range, 3 point range, and FT's. They still lost

According to TS% however?

Team A: 53.7 TS%
Team B: 53.1 TS%

Team A wins

[2LeTTeRS]

It's obvious that team A won. When offensive rebounding and turnovers are equal in an NBA game, the team that has the higher TS% will win 99% of the time

Thats great and all, but you do realize how rarely offensive rebounds and turnovers for 2 teams competing against each other are equal?


And I can say the same thing for any stat in the league; i.e. when shooting and turnovers are the same the team that rebounds the ball better will win 99% of the time. That is in no way a compelling argument for the importance of TS%.

[Kovach]

Because he's not as "flashy" and the 80's were "weak".
That too...:facepalm

[KyrieTheFuture]

lol, you gotta love a Heat fan complaining about FTs:oldlol:
2012-2013
OKC #2 in FT per game
MIA #12 in FT per game

2011-2012
OKC #2
MIA #8

2010-2011
OKC #2
MIA #3

Kind of freaky how OKC is always #2 but my points been made. Don't make claims without checking stats :cheers:

[Sarcastic]

No one, in the history if I am not mistaken has ever averaged 30 ppg while maintaining 50,40,90 percentages... so if you want to be technical, it is GOAT status.


You know there wasn't always a three point line, right? The parameters you are setting for GOAT status are unfair, since an entire generation never even had a chance to compete.

[Sarcastic]

He scored a lot, but didn't do much else.


I was under the impression we were discussing scoring. In his prime he was putting up 30 points and 6+ rebounds. He's about 1 rebound lower. Yea I can see why you think Durant destroys him. 1 rebound is huge. :rolleyes:

[28renyoy]

What's the 1%?

TS% accounts for technicals/3 point FTA/and 1's being one out of every 8.5 FTA, or 12.5%.

This is why 1 FTA=.44 shots according to TS% and not .5, which is what it would technically be on a 2 shot foul. However not every FT comes from a 2 shot foul so they came up with the 1 out of every 8.5 FTA either being from a tech, and 1, or 3P FTA. Therefore that is essentially a free shot that doesn't waste a percentage of a possession.


However in an actual game, there is a bit of variance as not every game has 1 out of every 9~ FT's being and 1's. For instance you might get a game where a team picks up 2 flagrant fouls, a 3P FTA, and 4 technicals while only shooting 4 regular 2 point FTA.

As a result, the TS% will be a bit lower for that team as it considers their "free" free throws to be a result of a 2 shot foul since they happened more frequently than 12.5% of a regular FTA

[jlip]

No one, in the history if I am not mistaken has ever averaged 30 ppg while maintaining 50,40,90 percentages... so if you want to be technical, it is GOAT status.

Bird was the closest in 1988.

29.9ppg 52.7fg, 42.4 3pt%, 91.6ft%

[chazzy]

TS% accounts for technicals/3 point FTA/and 1's being one out of every 8.5 FTA, or 12.5%.

This is why 1 FTA=.44 shots according to TS% and not .5, which is what it would technically be on a 2 shot foul. However not every FT comes from a 2 shot foul so they came up with the 1 out of every 8.5 FTA either being from a tech, and 1, or 3P FTA. Therefore that is essentially a free shot that doesn't waste a percentage of a possession.


However in an actual game, there is a bit of variance as not every game has 1 out of every 9~ FT's being and 1's. For instance you might get a game where a team picks up 2 flagrant fouls, a 3P FTA, and 4 technicals while only shooting 4 regular 2 point FTA.

As a result, the TS% will be a bit lower for that team as it considers their "free" free throws to be a result of a 2 shot foul since they happened more frequently than 12.5% of a regular FTA
Yeah I forgot about that variance. It's very minor in grand scheme things

[Kovach]

I was under the impression we were discussing scoring. In his prime he was putting up 30 points and 6+ rebounds.
Don't know then, probably the same reason why English or Gervin aren't on anyone's GOAT lists either.

He's about 1 rebound lower. Yea I can see why you think Durant destroys him. 1 rebound is huge. :rolleyes:
Think you had me confused with someone else.

[stephanieg]

Stop trying to have intellectual discussions on ISH, you realize 90% of this board consists of GED ******s right?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Bird was the closest in 1988.

29.9ppg 52.7fg, 42.4 3pt%, 91.6ft%

Dude was only good because he played at a higher pace. :rolleyes:


OK fine then

Team A
32-75 from the field(42.7 FG%)
14-20 from the line(70 FT%)
12-30 from 3(40 3P%)

Team B
34-75 from the field(45.3 FG%)
15-20 from the line(75 FT%)
6-14 from 3(42.8 3P%)
Team A: 90
Team B: 89

So despite the fact Team B shot the exact SAME amount of FT's and FGA's, while shooting better percentages from 2 point range, 3 point range, and FT's. They still lost

According to TS% however?

Team A: 53.7 TS%
Team B: 53.1 TS%

Team A wins

"Team A" made more 3's - and at an efficient clip. You don't need TS% to tell you that.

Never mind that "Team B" could have lost for a number of reasons outside efficiency. :oldlol:

[ShaqAttack3234]

Not exactly, seeing as a missed free throw can come from an and 1 or a technical which would not be a wasted possession. This is why they're scaled down to .44 possessions per free throw.

And while a missed shot carries the same weight, a made shot does NOT carry the same weight. Which is why we use TS%. It's a measure of the amount of points you score per possession used shooting the basketball, not the amount of shots you make or miss

The .44 thing is actually giving too much credit to the scorer, imo. And I wouldn't group technicals in with and 1s because if you miss it, you could have had a teammate who may have made it. With and 1s, it's the scorer himself creating the shot and the foul, and even if he finishes and misses, he would have the same amount of points as he would if he had not finished and hit both free throws. Plus, there's less of a chance for a fastbreak then if you had just finished without any foul.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Perhaps Durant is finally as good as Anthony now? Hes always been known as Poor man's Melo since he entered the league.

[Wang Zhi Zhi]

Perhaps Durant is finally as good as Anthony now? Hes always been known as Poor man's Melo since he entered the league.
:biggums:

[dannywpt]

Perhaps it's safe to say that Durant is on a different planet than Anthony now? It was always clear, from the moment he entered the league, that he would surpass Melo by a big margin.

:lebronamazed:

[madmax]

Durant is still only 24. I can see him surpassing Dantley as a player in the near future

:lol :roll:

[KG215]

Perhaps Durant is finally as good as Anthony now? Hes always been known as Poor man's Melo since he entered the league.
I'm convinced that sometimes you think of the most stupid thing possible and post it just to see what the reaction will be.

[Money 23]

Joyner is annyong, but if Durant finishes the year with 30ppg on 50/40/90, that is absolutely ridiculous. And pretty much would be the greatest volume scoring season overall that I can recollect.
Ninja is getting like 15 of those points off free-throws, and he's a primary CATCH AND SHOOT player.

That makes no damn sense.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I'm convinced that sometimes you think of the most stupid thing possible and post it just to see what the reaction will be.
pretty sure he's trolling the knicks.

[Hoopz2332]

I love Durant.

GOAT means Greatest of All Time. He is not doing that.

But I do love Durant. He's a Jedi and the savior of the league if you are a Heat/Lebron/Whistle hater.


LOl @ this. Durant lives off the whistle:coleman:

[gengiskhan]

LOl @ this. Durant lives off the whistle:coleman:

so has kobe throughout his prime. He shot 45%FG in his peak prime. Durant is considerably better shooter than Kobe.

[KOBE143]

05-08 Kobe >>>>> Durant and its not even close..

[red1]

Joyner having the GOAT nut-riding season. Pauk also having a season for the ages, lets see if he can catch up

[gengiskhan]

05-08 Kobe >>>>> Durant and its not even close..

45% FG <<<<<<<< 51.5 FG% FG NOT >>>> BTW.

so

'05-'08 Kobe <<<<<<< Durant.

Durant is only having 18.5 FGA !!!

[Deuce Bigalow]

How is that Kobe season better? :lol
10 50pt games, which is the most 50pt games in one season since a Wilt season.

[gengiskhan]

10 50pt games, which is the most 50pt games in one season since a Wilt season.

Inflation adjust it according to the rules changed that year till today !

50 pts game of '00 = New 40 pts game of '80s & '90s
60 pts game of '00 = New 50 pts game of '80s & '90s
40 pts game of '00 = New 30 pts game of '80s & '90s

so

Kobe had 10 x 40 pts game. No big deal. MJ, 'Nique, Clyde had tons of them in each year in '80 & '90s. forget Wilt. :coleman:

[Nero Tulip]

10 50pt games, which is the most 50pt games in one season since a Wilt season.

:facepalm

[KOBE143]

45% FG <<<<<<<< 51.5 FG% FG NOT >>>> BTW.

so

'05-'08 Kobe <<<<<<< Durant.

Durant is only having 18.5 FGA !!!
Kobe 35ppg >>>>>>> Durant 30ppg

Kobe multiple 50+pt game and uncountable 40+pt game >>>>>> Durant 50 points with 25 ft shooting 40% in the field

Kobe 81 >>>>>>>> All high scoring game of Durant combined

Umad?

[Deuce Bigalow]

:facepalm
What?

[KOBE143]

Inflation adjust it according to the rules changed that year till today !

50 pts game of '00 = New 40 pts game of '80s & '90s
60 pts game of '00 = New 50 pts game of '80s & '90s
40 pts game of '00 = New 30 pts game of '80s & '90s

so

Kobe had 10 x 40 pts game. No big deal. MJ, 'Nique, Clyde had tons of them in each year in '80 & '90s. forget Wilt. :coleman:
Dont include that era with weak ass defense.. Kobe would easily score 50ppg in that weak ass era..

[gengiskhan]

Kobe 35ppg <<<<<<< Durant 30ppg cuz it was shot at 45%FG with tons of chucking

Kobe multiple 40+pt game and uncountable 30+pt game >>>>>> Durant 40 points with 25 ft shooting 40% in the field

Kobe 61 >>>>>>>> All high scoring game of Durant combined

Umad?

Corrected !!

all adjusted to "INFLATED STATs due to rules change, chucking & ballhogging & shotjoking

NEXT....

[bdreason]

Wilt Chamberlain averaged 50/26/3 on 51% and 44/24/4 on 53%. Sorry I don't know the TS%.

[gengiskhan]

Dont include that era with weak ass defense.. Kobe would easily score 50ppg in that weak ass era..

I am sorry for included that weak ass defense era called '00 decade btw.

Kobe shooting at 45% FG under NO handchecking rules in this weak ass defense era.

Kobe shooting 40% FG easilly under Physical D of 1985 - 1999.

NEXT.....

[tpols]

Corrected !!

all adjusted to "INFLATED STATs due to rules change, chucking & ballhogging & shotjoking

NEXT....
How does one joke a shot?

[KOBE143]

gengis****** is now officially the worst troll in ISH history..

Dont waste your time arguing with that troll..

[SHAQisGOAT]

lmao

wtf is adjusted for pace though? Like he can't take more shots or something at this pace? Kobe took 27 per game some years ago, even Durant has taken more shots. Don't forget he also has more superstar treatment than before, rules less physical, easier to go to the line.

Jordan '91 - 31.5 on 54/31/85, 37.0 MPG with more assists

Kareem '71 - 31.7 on 58/69, 40.1 MPG, also 3.3 assists playing C

Bird '88 - 29.9 on 53/41/92, 39.0 MPG with more assists, handling the ball less than Durant

Karl '90 - 31.0 on 56/37/76, 38.1 MPG

'62 when Wilt scored 50 per game, regardless of all the factors or even Kobe scoring 35 per game, also

Dantley '83 - 30.7 on 58/85, 40.3 MPG, with more assists

Top Durant IMO

[SHAQisGOAT]

Adjusting the pace of superstars? Kobe took 27 shots per game in '06, LeBron 23.. Dude like Bird never took as many, Dantley even less. This ain't even Wilt in the 60's taking 40 per game I'm talking about, just as back as the 70's.

Adjust the pace of a dude scoring like 19 per game with great %'s also, while you're at it, make him one of the GOAT scorers.


No one, in the history if I am not mistaken has ever averaged 30 ppg while maintaining 50,40,90 percentages... so if you want to be technical, it is GOAT status.

Bird '88 :rolleyes: even more ppg than Durant

[JerryWest]

GOAT Cry baby! :bowdown: :bowdown:

LeBron gonna make this skinny ass baby his bitch again if they meet in the finals.

[Kovach]

Dont include that era with weak ass defense.. Kobe would easily score 50ppg in that weak ass era..
But he can't do it now when nobody is allowed to touch him?

[Odinn]

You, sh!tty OP...

Adrian Dantley in 1982-83 season;
30.7 ppg on .580 fg .847 ft .661 ts

More points, and even your shitty precious advanced stat, ts says Dantley is more efficient.

Case closed. Go back to Durant's testicals.

[tontoz]

Bird '88 :rolleyes: even more ppg than Durant

Yeah Bird was a beast at his best.

Durant is definitely having a monster season though.

[gengiskhan]

But he can't do it now when nobody is allowed to touch him?

+1

thats how one should replay to anyone who is a kobe homer.

[28renyoy]

You, sh!tty OP...

Adrian Dantley in 1982-83 season;
30.7 ppg on .580 fg .847 ft .661 ts

More points, and even your shitty precious advanced stat, ts says Dantley is more efficient.

Case closed. Go back to Durant's testicals.


Jesus you people are dumb

DANTLEY PLAYED 22 GAMES IN 1982-83

[CavaliersFTW]

Jesus you people are dumb

DANTLEY PLAYED 22 GAMES IN 1982-83

Durant has only played 24 this season

[SHAQisGOAT]

Durant has only played 24 this season

Actually 43, but that's why I said also and put Dantley '83 there, since we can go with "unfinished" seasons.

Still Dantley, '81, '82 or '84 can easily be above.

[DatAsh]

I know it's stirring up a hornets nest to say it, but the OP is right.

30ppg on 65% is insane. There have been a few players who managed to put up 30+ppg on similar efficiency(Jordan, Bird, Lebron, ect), but none of them get to the freethrow line anywhere near as efficiently as Durant does. Durant's averaging more than half as many free throws as he is shots. Think about that.

[Odinn]

Jesus you people are dumb

DANTLEY PLAYED 22 GAMES IN 1982-83
And you started this thread after 43 games which is not a full season?:lol

This mistake by me doesn't change the fact that you're one of the biggest **** suckers on this message board.:roll:

[Just2McFly]

52 points on 13 FGs made? Absolutely not.

Guy is being GIFTED free-throws.
seriously:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[red1]

seriously:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
I went wtf too when I heard about 52 points on 13 field goals. Even if every fg was a three it would still only be 39 points.

[lebeast666]

You cant even breathe on this twig or hes shooting freethrows. Who gives a fvck.