How did Dwight Howard make the All Star Game?

[JerryWest]

Over 10
Also explain your answer.

[Mr. Jabbar]

what post game?

[9erempiree]

We'll just say a telephone pole would abuse him.

[Myth]

Shaq = GOAT center analysis

[Connor B]

There's nothing to rate.

[tpols]

.5

He knows half of one post move.

[BMOGEFan]

he's not even able to get the ball to even start any post moves.

[Nick Young]

Is Dwight Howard really even better than prime Greg Ostertag was?

Greg Ostertag was basically Dwight Howard with more size and better fundamental and man defense. Don't forget Howard is 6'10 while Ostertag was legit 7'2 and played elite defense on the top centers in the west like Hakeem and Robinson for two runs to the finals.

Greg Ostertag had an 8'1 wingspan and could touch the rim without jumping. Dwight Howard's wingspan is 7'6.

What Dwight does looks more spectacular but he has to work harder to do what Ostertag did by just standing in the paint with his arms up.

Howard gets highlight blocks but it's often uncalled goaltends or he just swats it out of bounds.

Ostertag could always be counted on to play tough D and box out on every single possession, Ostertag also set harder screens.

I bet if Ostertag was fed by Stockton like Orlando used to feed Dwight gimme buckets Ostertag could have averaged 18-20 ppg like Dwight used to in Orlando.

Is Dwight even better than Greg Ostertag? Not really, only by reputation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9ajk9JnJtg

Ostertag actually has basic fundamentals, decent footwork and knows how to keep the ball up high and finish pick and rolls. He is a 56% freethrow shooter so has Dwight beat in that department as well.

39 year old Greg Ostertag was recently seen as early as last year schooling young kids in the D-league, he has fundamentals strength and size, his only weakness is conditioning. Can you imagine Dwight trying to play at 39 after his athleticism is gone? He would be useless.

[Kiddlovesnets]

:facepalm

[Nick Young]

:facepalm
Let me guess, you've never seen prime Ostertag in action.

[TDownpour]

swaggy P!

[KyrieTheFuture]

How do you have the time for all these rants about nothing?

[Screamingdoom]

Cmon son, enough of this silliness. We all know the obvious answer is Greg Ostertag

[Nick Young]

How do you have the time for all these rants about nothing?
Did you ever watch prime Ostertag? Doesn't seem like it.

[Chapallaz]

Stop posting every though which pops up in that dumb head you have, idiot.

Collect all of them in one big pile of shit and create one topic titled "Nick Young's stinky brainfarts".

[nathanjizzle]

im hungry for oysters now :facepalm

[KyrieTheFuture]

There is a difference between wing span and standing reach. No one has a 10 foot wingspan you ****ing idiot. Also, since when did Dwight have anyone even half as talented as Stockton feeding him in Orlando? I honestly can't decide if your just dumb or bored and which one is more sad.

[Darkess]

The problem with Greg Ostertag is there were two of them. One that was terrific and got you 16 points with great positioning. The other got you 0 with two missed dunks.

There's a reason they called him "the Big-Ohhh-NOooo". He was very frustrating offensively. I've never seen a player miss more easy shots than this guy.

Ostertag was a great defender and large enough he could stand up to Shaq. Also very immobile, he was like sticking a tree down near the basket... tough to get around, but you knew the tree wasn't going anywhere.

If Ostertag had reached his potential this would be a debate. But he never did.

[Nick Young]

There is a difference between wing span and standing reach. No one has a 10 foot wingspan you ****ing idiot. Also, since when did Dwight have anyone even half as talented as Stockton feeding him in Orlando? I honestly can't decide if your just dumb or bored and which one is more sad.
The offense was built around Dwight in Orlando and he could only manage 20 ppg.

Jerry Sloan was never dumb enough to build his team around Ostertag but if he wanted to, Ostertag easily could have gotten 20 ppg if the whole team's instructions were to feed him, like how it was on Dwight's team in Orlando.

[selrahc]

Greg Ostertag > Dwight howard

[Nick Young]

The problem with Greg Ostertag is there were two of them. One that was terrific and got you 16 points with great positioning. The other got you 0 with two missed dunks.

There's a reason they called him "the Big-Ohhh-NOooo". He was very frustrating offensively. I've never seen a player miss more easy shots than this guy.

Ostertag was a great defender and large enough he could stand up to Shaq. Also very immobile, he was like sticking a tree down near the basket... tough to get around, but you knew the tree wasn't going anywhere.

If Ostertag had reached his potential this would be a debate. But he never did.
Wow that's exactly like Dwight this season.

[KyrieTheFuture]

The offense was built around Dwight in Orlando and he could only manage 20 ppg.

Jerry Sloan was never dumb enough to build his team around Ostertag but if he wanted to, Ostertag easily could have gotten 20 ppg if the whole team's instructions were to feed him, like how it was on Dwight's team in Orlando.
JR Smith is better than Kobe Bryant. He's never been the focus of an offense but if he was he would obviously be vastly superior. I mean look at Kobe the wind plays better defense than he does. JR > Kobe offensively and defensively

[STATUTORY]

JR Smith is better than Kobe Bryant. He's never been the focus of an offense but if he was he would obviously be vastly superior. I mean look at Kobe the wind plays better defense than he does. JR > Kobe offensively and defensively
:roll: :roll: :facepalm

u gonna join the lakers bandwagon when Kyrie inevitably makes his pilgrimage to the mecca of basketball west?

[FireDavidKahn]

Has Dwight ever been on the cover of Playgirl?

http://content6.flixster.com/photo/11/94/19/11941936_ori.jpg

[KyrieTheFuture]

:roll: :roll: :facepalm

u gonna join the lakers bandwagon when Kyrie inevitably makes his pilgrimage to the mecca of basketball west?
Jesus you thought I was being serious? You really are retarded. And no I'll continue to root for his personnel success on the Cleveland Cavaliers. How is Dwight not a sobering reality that every player in the league doesn't want to play for LA? Who is your next glamour coach gonna be? No PJ and no Riley you guys are ****ed. Terrible owner, terrible coaches, you guys had your run get used to watching other teams be good.

[Xiao Yao You]

If Ostertag had reached his potential this would be a debate. But he never did.

I think he did actually. People in Utah just expected something more. He was one of the best offensive rebounders and shot blockers in the game. A role player.

I'd take him and the millions I'd have left over to spend elsewhere over the douche Dwight.

[irondarts]

Ostertag had a 8'1" wingspan, which is just ridiculous. :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Nick Young]

Ostertag had a 8'1" wingspan, which is just ridiculous. :oldlol: :oldlol:
Yes, his defensive contributions were impossible to calculate with hollinger stats.

Dwight is only considered the best defender due to hollinger stats basically.

[TheMan]

Another shit thread started by a notorious Kobe stan in an obvious attempt to lay all of the Laker's woes on Howard to deflect any resposibility on Kobe...:facepalm

Expect more from the Kobe kids, throwing every Laker not named Kobe under the bus, pathetic really.

[joshwake]

wait.... you're serious???? I honestly thought it was a joke.

As someone who watched the Jazz religiously back then, I can say you are a ****ing retard.

[Nick Young]

wait.... you're serious???? I honestly thought it was a joke.

As someone who watched the Jazz religiously back then, I can say you are a ****ing retard.
You didn't appreciate what you had, Ostertag in 99 did as good a job guarding Shaq as I have ever seen any player play, he was always a top defender in the league, his offense was just bad, but he was still better than Howard at posting up, Howard's only advantage over Ostertag offensively is alleyoops.

Ostertag boxed out every play and played strong and tough and wasn't a mental midget who cracked at every challenge thrown his way like Dwight is.

Stop trying to rewrite history and pretend Ostertag was a useless scrub when he wasn't.

[Screamingdoom]

Look at these mind blowing averages from the world's best centre!

7.5 pts, 7.25 rebs, 1 asst, 1.25 blocks, 36.8% fg.

:bowdown:

[Droid101]

36.8% shooting - Dion Waiters numbers! :applause:

[Kobe 4 The Win]

What's his turnover percentage?

[Cowboy Thunder]

Perkins > Dwight

[9erempiree]

Dwight is done,.

[BMOGEFan]

What's his turnover percentage?

turnover doesn't tell the whole story. The passes that dwight drops which become turnovers are attributable to the passer.

[2010splash]

Dwight is overrated trash! A glorified role player who received superstar recognition in Orlando because somebody has to score points on a bad team.

But somehow people will blame Kobe, the only player on the team with a semblance of actual basketball skill, for dropping 29 points on 48% FG while this no-skill scrub who can't shoot from more than 2 feet outside the paint goes 0-4 from the field.

[Mr. Jabbar]

turnover doesn't tell the whole story. The passes that dwight drops which become turnovers are attributable to the passer.

this. plus were not accounting his goaltends, dudes even overrated on D

[The-Legend-24]

:oldlol: What a fvcking joke.

[STATUTORY]

this. plus were not accounting his goaltends, dudes even overrated on D
when his reputation runs out guy's gonna be a headband wearing joel anthony

at least joel ain't no bitch doe

[B-Easy8]

Dwight is overrated trash! A glorified role player who received superstar recognition in Orlando because somebody has to score points on a bad team.

But somehow people will blame Kobe, the only player on the team with a semblance of actual basketball skill, for dropping 29 points on 48% FG while this no-skill scrub who can't shoot from more than 2 feet outside the paint goes 0-4 from the field.

You are aware that Nash and Gasol also play on that team?

Probably haven't noticed though with Kobe chucking all game.

[2010splash]

You are aware that Nash and Gasol also play on that team?

Probably haven't noticed though with Kobe chucking all game.
Nash I'll give you. But Gasoft? That Euro scrub 7-footer shoots a lower percentage from the field than Kobe, a 6'6" SG who takes more contested/difficult shots than anyone in the league.

Kobe's help is simply overrated. He's got a tissue-soft has been Euro PF who's still butt hurt over being traded to Houston in the Chris Paul to LA deal before it got vetoed. And then his center is just a hyper-athletic version of Samuel Dalembert, only he doesn't look so athletic anymore.

Kobe should be the one demanding a trade from this shameful and pathetic team. They suck! He deserves to spend his final few years on a team with winners, not junk like Dwight and Pau.

[STATUTORY]

You are aware that Nash and Gasol also play on that team?

Probably haven't noticed though with Kobe chucking all game.
it's hard to ignore Nash when every opposing PG goes off for career high every night.

[ganja0710]

Perkins > Dwight
:roll: :bowdown:

[gengiskhan]

Dwight is overrated trash! A glorified role player who received superstar recognition in Orlando because somebody has to score points on a bad team.

But somehow people will blame Kobe, the only player on the team with a semblance of actual basketball skill, for dropping 29 points on 48% FG while this no-skill scrub who can't shoot from more than 2 feet outside the paint goes 0-4 from the field.

try not to transfer Kobe's pathetic last 4 games FG% onto Dwight.

Kobe has been below average to for a guy who averages 23 FGA with Gasol on the bench.

Dwight is not the main reason for LAL downfall. Kobe is the primary reason. Dwight has been injured the whole year.

Kobe is healthy & his skills are so limited that he cannot shoot good percentage & has pi$$ poor shot selection begging for refs to bail him out.

[Screamingdoom]

What's his turnover percentage?

13.6%. I hope I've calculated it correctly, never done it before

[The-Legend-24]

I can't believe some people are still calling him the best big man in the NBA.

What fvcking games are they watching?

:oldlol:

[Mr. Jabbar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8wxO8GlsYw

Materializing every Laker fan dreams. :applause:

[ispin69]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=288005

repost :no:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

So that's when dwight got injured.

[andremiller07]

That the exact punch Rashad Evans took Chuck's head off with

[Haymaker]

Hendo's right hand is better.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Hendo's right hand is better.

Compared to boxers, ufc fighters can't punch at all. so slow.

[TheBigVeto]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8wxO8GlsYw

Materializing every Laker fan dreams. :applause:


http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh600/Rodman2124/kobeclutch.gif

[andremiller07]

Compared to boxers, ufc fighters can't punch at all. so slow.

Thats normally what happends when you don't specialise in one thing, compared to Kyle Korver, Russell Westbrook can't shoot at all.

[Nick Young]

No, D12 was not shut down last night by Marc Gasol, who played very little in the first half due to early foul trouble.

The human Dwightmare was shut down by none other then Iranian scrub Hamed Haddidi.

If anyone actually watched the game, they would have seen Howard doing fading spin moves trying to get his shot off vs the defensive juggernaut Hamed Haddidi and still failing.


He needs more touches, amirite?:confusedshrug:

[Nick Young]

TO everyone who saw last night's debacle where Hamed Haddidi completely shit on Dwightmare-would you still take this scrub over Ostertag?

[Mr. Jabbar]

Theres no shame in going 0-4 against the best, Dwight gets a pass on this one. Haddidi :bowdown:

[STATUTORY]

good thing he clutchly aggravated that injury and took himself out of the game.

that stat sheet would been ugly if he played the whole game

[red1]

haddaddadadadi > lakers

[Nick Young]

good thing he clutchly aggravated that injury and took himself out of the game.

that stat sheet would been ugly if he played the whole game
Any smart GM watching Howard must realize he is done. I doubt he will hold any value much longer, Mitch needs to deal him as soon as possible, Lin or Harden+Parsons preferred but I'd be happier with someone like Greg Smith or Biedrins starting at C then this quitting cancerous born loser.


Grizz want to deal Gay or Gasol for cap relief right, let's rape them again and try to get Marc Gasol back in exchange for Dwightmare. His corny christian brand of comedy would be right at home in Memphis.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcjn0pXHvF1r2sftqo2_500.gif

[Mr. Jabbar]

Any smart GM watching Howard must realize he is done. I doubt he will hold any value much longer, Mitch needs to deal him as soon as possible, Lin or Harden+Parsons preferred but I'd be happier with someone like Greg Smith or Biedrins starting at C then this quitting cancerous born loser.


Grizz want to deal Gay or Gasol for cap relief right, let's rape them again and try to get Marc Gasol back in exchange for Dwightmare. His corny christian comedy would be right at home in Memphis.

Exactly the biggest concern at this point.

[STATUTORY]

Any smart GM watching Howard must realize he is done. I doubt he will hold any value much longer, Mitch needs to deal him as soon as possible, Lin or Harden+Parsons preferred but I'd be happier with someone like Greg Smith or Biedrins starting at C then this quitting cancerous born loser.


Grizz want to deal Gay or Gasol for cap relief right, let's rape them again and try to get Marc Gasol back in exchange for Dwightmare. His corny christian brand of comedy would be right at home in Memphis.

I only fear that the Lakers braintrust, Jim buss in particular, has about the worst player evaluation ability of any team in this league and won't realize that till it's too late.

nepotism ruining the lakers

[Nick Young]

Marc Gasol is perfect for the Lakers, he would possibly revitalize Pau's career over the next two years, they have great chemistry already and Marc IMO is good enough to be a franchise center and second or third option on a title winning team, he keeps improving and getting better, maybe he could even become franchise player level. The point is he has a will to dominate and an aggressive attitude, GET HIM NOW WHILE THE DUMBASS GRIZZLIES ARE SHOPPING HIM BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a9czc2k

Dwightmare for Tony Allen (aging) and Marc Gasol, Dwight expires next year giving Grizz cap relief

[AussieG]

The whole point of getting rid of Speights and Ellington was to avoid trading one of the core players. Marc Gasol isn't soft like his brother, he's very popular and he will probably be a Grizz for life.. or until he's past his peak.

Dumbass Grizzlies traded their bench away and their empty bench destroyed the Lakers yesterday.

[andremiller07]

Dumbass Grizzlies traded their bench away and their empty bench destroyed the Lakers yesterday.

It might actually be the best thing they did, I was a bit upset they let Mo go but the other two im fine with. But letting all 3 go they opened up consistant mins for DA and a potential star in the making in Tony Wrotten and they will sign a decent player most likely so the downgrade is not that big and could turn into a upgrade.

[Screamingdoom]

Perkins > Dwight

:applause:

[Kiddlovesnets]

He doesnt give a shit anymore.
:lol

[Nick Young]

I can't believe some people are still calling him the best big man in the NBA.

What fvcking games are they watching?

:oldlol:
Koufos>Howard

[Nick Young]

I'd trust Haddadi to score in a post up over Howard.

1/10 HE'S A SCRUB AND LIABILITY WITH THE BALL IN HIS HANDS

[red1]

10/10.

100% kobe's fault

[2LeTTeRS]

Thanks.

[Nick Young]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdDR6rFRVZ0

He may be a loser but atleast he's supremely hilarious off the court infront of camera. He's a born comedian:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
I can't believe he prank ordered 2 pumpkin pies and a sloppy joe and hagendaas to Tim Duncan before the allstar game!


I can't believe he payed back Chauncey billups for owning him in the playoffs by prank ordering a tuna salad sandwich and 2 sprites to his hotel room, I cannot believe that he went there! :roll:

There is no possible way that the hotel was able to see which room the room service call was coming from!

It's especially awesome when he made fun of Shaq because he can't shoot freethrows!

Post more awesome funny vids of Dwight Howard's comedy, his impersonations are also awesome and hilarious!

[OhNoTimNoSho]

I hope you fall into a volcano

[Screamingdoom]

No wonder he doesn't get along with Kobe. One plays the piano, the other plays dress ups.

[STATUTORY]

http://www.pictureshack.us/images/26534_lunapic_134203775584263_4.gif

Dwight howard paying homage to Big Momma's House and Tyler Perry's Madea

truly the tarantino of black comedy.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

This is funny? :facepalm

Some of the corniest crap I've ever seen. What are we, in 6th grade again? Said it the best.

[red1]

http://www.pictureshack.us/images/26534_lunapic_134203775584263_4.gif

Saw this clip ther other day and facepalmed for real. Such an embarrasing f*gg*t

[Mr. Jabbar]

In other news, USA troops have entered Berlin and Hitlers regime downfall is imminent.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

In other news, USA troops have entered Berlin and Hitlers regime downfall is imminent.
:lol

[SilkkTheShocker]

We Landed On The Moon!!

[wagexslave]

Dude is not an all-star caliber player.

[StateOfMind12]

I'd laugh too

45% shooting?

http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/lol/grand/nxkih3.jpg.gif

[StateOfMind12]

Fans.

He is the best player on the Lakers though with Nash right behind him.

[knickscity]

More fans think otherwise.

[Derivative]

In other news, USA troops have entered Berlin and Hitlers regime downfall is imminent.

it was actually the russians who entere berlin and brought down hitler. US probably only contributed to 10% of the war in Europe. stupid USA history textbooks :facepalm

USA is kind of like how Kobe who doesn't do anything in the first 3 quarters, and then hits some shots in the fourth and takes all the credit

[TheMan]

Because KAJ, Shaq, Wilt, Zo, Ewing, DRobinson, Yao, Dream, MMalone, Walton, Unseld, Parrish, Russell etc. retired a long time ago.

It's a garbage big man era.

[Nick Young]

http://www.pictureshack.us/images/26534_lunapic_134203775584263_4.gif

Dwight howard paying homage to Big Momma's House and Tyler Perry's Madea

truly the tarantino of black comedy.
what the f*ck is wrong with him

[code green]

[QUOTE] D

[Mr. Jabbar]

it was actually the russians who entere berlin and brought down hitler. US probably only contributed to 10% of the war in Europe. stupid USA history textbooks :facepalm

USA is kind of like how Kobe who doesn't do anything in the first 3 quarters, and then hits some shots in the fourth and takes all the credit

More like Europe was Lebron, being abused by Germany (Nowitzki), until refs (USA) came to help...

[Reverend Hoops]

How did KG get in averaging 14-6?

[fpliii]

That would be nice. This trashing Dwight thing is one of the worst schticks on this site (he's not devoid of blame, but trolls are acting like he's a below average player in this league...really????). In general, the trend of throwing your favorite player's teammates under the bus is incredibly lame.

[wagexslave]

How did KG get in averaging 14-6?
It's not all about stats though. See, I can understand KG getting in a bit more because he's huge for his team and is a really popular veteran who's been in the league for years(and he plays in a weak ass Eastern Conference as well)... but Dwight Howard is the cancer of his team, off AND on the court. He's a huge hindrance to the Lakers team chemistry, and his terrible free throw shooting is a huge weakness when it comes to the Lakers trying to win games.

[zac]

Marc Gasol is perfect for the Lakers, he would possibly revitalize Pau's career over the next two years, they have great chemistry already and Marc IMO is good enough to be a franchise center and second or third option on a title winning team, he keeps improving and getting better, maybe he could even become franchise player level. The point is he has a will to dominate and an aggressive attitude, GET HIM NOW WHILE THE DUMBASS GRIZZLIES ARE SHOPPING HIM BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a9czc2k

Dwightmare for Tony Allen (aging) and Marc Gasol, Dwight expires next year giving Grizz cap relief

You have no idea what you're talking about. The grizzlies have never been shopping Gasol and he is actually the only for sure untouchable player on the team. They have been gauging interest in Gay and they've had other people calling about Randolph (like every year) but they aren't even shopping Randolph.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

In other news, USA troops have entered Berlin and Hitlers regime downfall is imminent.

The Soviets took Berlin, not the Americans. Read up on your history son.:roll:

[andremiller07]

Jeremy Lin deserved it more than Howard did

[PimpinZaZa]

Is Dwight Howard really even better than prime Greg Ostertag was?

Greg Ostertag was basically Dwight Howard with more size and better fundamental and man defense. Don't forget Howard is 6'10 while Ostertag was legit 7'2 and played elite defense on the top centers in the west like Hakeem and Robinson for two runs to the finals.

Greg Ostertag had an 8'1 wingspan and could touch the rim without jumping. Dwight Howard's wingspan is 7'6.

What Dwight does looks more spectacular but he has to work harder to do what Ostertag did by just standing in the paint with his arms up.

Howard gets highlight blocks but it's often uncalled goaltends or he just swats it out of bounds.

Ostertag could always be counted on to play tough D and box out on every single possession, Ostertag also set harder screens.

I bet if Ostertag was fed by Stockton like Orlando used to feed Dwight gimme buckets Ostertag could have averaged 18-20 ppg like Dwight used to in Orlando.

Is Dwight even better than Greg Ostertag? Not really, only by reputation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9ajk9JnJtg

Ostertag actually has basic fundamentals, decent footwork and knows how to keep the ball up high and finish pick and rolls. He is a 56% freethrow shooter so has Dwight beat in that department as well.

39 year old Greg Ostertag was recently seen as early as last year schooling young kids in the D-league, he has fundamentals strength and size, his only weakness is conditioning. Can you imagine Dwight trying to play at 39 after his athleticism is gone? He would be useless.

Elite Defense. Surely you can't be talking about the same Greg Ostertag in the video! One of the most flat-footed players I've seen :facepalm