Kaman says David Stern "hates the Spurs"

[Anaximandro1]

Chris Kaman (http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-mavericks/headlines/20130124-mavericks-chris-kaman-why-david-stern-hates-the-spurs.ece)

[QUOTE]On fans following players more than they follow a specific team.

[SCdac]

He's right though, Spurs basketball is about as pure as it gets. Shared responsibility, well executed plays, great leaders. Team defense is almost a religion to the Spurs... Stern can suck it

[Kiddlovesnets]

Does he? If so, why did he hand the Spurs 2007 NBA titles by destroying the Suns? Id say Stern is about neutral towards the Spurs.
:lol

[qrich]

Chris Kaman always speaks his mind :bowdown:

If and when Hill goes back to his usual play. Butler + Clips 2013 first for Kaman. Shave off Butler's salary for next year and get an upgrade at C.

[HorryIsMyMVP]

Does he? If so, why did he hand the Spurs 2007 NBA titles by destroying the Suns? Id say Stern is about neutral towards the Spurs.
:lol
That was more illegal sports betting reasons and a dumb ref getting exposed for it. Do you know how bad Stern would look now if he still supported the Spurs? It is all politics anyway.

[TaLvsCuaL]

A successful small market team is a problem when your priority is business.

[TheBigVeto]

Yep. Spurs = small market and successful. Stern hates that. Stern also hates Indiana and managed to sabotage that franchise with Artest as his secret weapon. He can't do that to the Spurs yet.

[R.I.P.]

How about you try to play some pure boring Tim Duncan defense you lazy sack. :rant

[TMT]

Kaveman speaking the truth! F*ck you Stern.


Does he? If so, why did he hand the Spurs 2007 NBA titles by destroying the Suns? Id say Stern is about neutral towards the Spurs.
:lol

It was Amare's dumbass fault for getting suspended (for leaving the bench along with Diaw, iirc). Let's not forget how much Stern has screwed us in between.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWiw60NusOY

As one example...

[HorryIsMyMVP]

Kaveman speaking the truth! F*ck you Stern.



It was Amare's dumbass fault for getting suspended (for leaving the bench along with Diaw, iirc). Let's not forget how much Stern has screwed us in between.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWiw60NusOY

As one example...
Are you going to ignore the fact that Tim Donaghy reffed that series and the league admitted it was rigged? He did prison time for his amazing officiating in that series. Tim Duncan wanted to replay the entire series because he felt it was tainted and didn't want to win that way. The league didn't cooperate because they just wanted to forget it ever happened.

[TMT]

Are you going to ignore the fact that Tim Donaghy reffed that series and the league admitted it was rigged? He did prison time for his amazing officiating in that series. Tim Duncan wanted to replay the entire series because he felt it was tainted and didn't want to win that way. The league didn't cooperate because they just wanted to forget it ever happened.

Not that it matters, but I would gladly been pro redoing the series. We were clearly the better team regardless, as we had been for years prior. The only team that could have stopped us that year was the Dallas Mavericks.

[andremiller07]

I just can't understand how anyone can hate the Spurs or there players other than Stephan Jackson. The whole team is as humble as it gets and the basketball is proper pure delightful basketball to watch. If you hate the Spurs for the way they play than you don't understand basketball.

[Balla_Status]

Add Bruce Bowen to that list as well.

[HorryIsMyMVP]

Not that it matters, but I would gladly been pro redoing the series. We were clearly the better team regardless, as we had been for years prior. The only team that could have stopped us that year was the Dallas Mavericks.
Tainted series. Asterisk title. They didn't earn it. Shouldn't be in the history books.

[TMT]

Tainted series. Asterisk title. They didn't earn it. Shouldn't be in the history books.

:roll: Same thing with Miami's ECF last season, as well as multiple officiating question marks in the Finals. I don't see any asterisks on their title.

Fact is, there are always going to be 'what ifs' on the course to a title. Doesn't mean at the end it's worth any less. Get over yourself.

[Dbrog]

Tainted series. Asterisk title. They didn't earn it. Shouldn't be in the history books.

That's dumb. You could literally say that about every series since 2001.

[HorryIsMyMVP]

That's dumb. You could literally say that about every series since 2001.
Oh ok so every series since 2001 has had proven corrupted officiating where officials went to prison over it? :biggums:

[SpecialQue]

Tainted series. Asterisk title. They didn't earn it. Shouldn't be in the history books.

The funny thing is, according to Bill Simmons, EVERY Spurs championship is an "asterisk" title. That guy is seriously a fvcking clown.

[TMT]

Oh ok so every series since 2001 has had proven corrupted officiating where officials went to prison over it? :biggums:

How do you know there haven't more Donaghys (sp?) in the league since? Maybe he's just the only one to get caught. stfu.

[HorryIsMyMVP]

How do you know there haven't more Donaghys (sp?) in the league since? Maybe he's just the only one to get caught. stfu.
He did get caught though and it was proven a fact. It was more blatantly obvious officiating against the Sun's then any other series in the history of the NBA. One time Bruce Bowen meant to intentionally foul Steve Nash and he did it HARD. And Tim Donaghy didn't call anything. :lol It was like Bowen punched Nash in the face and they just took the ball from him.

[TMT]

He did get caught though and it was proven a fact. It was more blatantly obvious officiating against the Sun's then any other series in the history of the NBA. One time Bruce Bowen meant to intentionally foul Steve Nash and he did it HARD. And Tim Donaghy didn't call anything. :lol

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/015/orly.jpg

Because that series was so much bigger than 2002 Lakers-Kings, right?
You have no clue what you're talking about.

[HorryIsMyMVP]

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/015/orly.jpg

Because that series was so much bigger than 2002 Lakers-Kings, right?
You have no clue what you're talking about.
Rigged is rigged. You are fan of a team who won some rigged titles because of sports betting. Good for you. :applause:

[Dbrog]

He did get caught though and it was proven a fact. It was more blatantly obvious officiating against the Sun's then any other series in the history of the NBA. One time Bruce Bowen meant to intentionally foul Steve Nash and he did it HARD. And Tim Donaghy didn't call anything. :lol

:facepalm RIP 2002 Kings, 2004 Spurs, 2006 Mavs

Clearly obvious in every one of those series :(

[HorryIsMyMVP]

:facepalm RIP 2002 Kings, 2004 Spurs, 2006 Mavs

Clearly obvious in every one of those series :(
Pretty sure every Spurs series I've ever watched when they were good were highly suspicious.

[TMT]

Rigged is rigged. You are fan of a team who won some rigged titles because of sports betting. Good for you. :applause:

Of all the titles that could have been won through rigs, the small-market Spurs are the first to come to your mind. :lol You clearly have some agenda against them so talking to you isn't worth my time. Fact is, we would have won more if Stern didn't hate our "rating killing team". Get over yourself.

[TMT]

Pretty sure every Spurs series I've ever watched when they were good were highly suspicious.

:roll:

You just went from ridiculous to troll in about 10 minutes. Way to go. http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif

Keep on hatin.

[rmt]

Pretty sure every Spurs series I've ever watched when they were good were highly suspicious.

Stern and the NBA have absolutely NO incentive to help out/favor the Spurs since it is well-known that any Finals with them has low ratings. Spurs won 4 championships IN SPITE of Stern and the NBA.

[HorryIsMyMVP]

Of all the titles that could have been won through rigs, the small-market Spurs are the first to come to your mind. :lol You clearly have some agenda against them so talking to you isn't worth my time. Fact is, we would have won more if Stern didn't hate our "rating killing team". Get over yourself.
The titles they did win they had to cheat to obtain. And now you are grasping onto Stern hating them for as to why they will get eliminated in the first round. Hey guess what the refs don't cheat for them any more that is why they haven't won shit lately.

[HorryIsMyMVP]

They get caught in 2007 for cheating and then they never win another title. HUH what are the odds right?

[TMT]

The titles they did win they had to cheat to obtain. And now you are grasping onto Stern hating them for as to why they will get eliminated in the first round. Hey guess what the refs don't cheat for them any more that is why they haven't won shit lately.

Your the only fool who thinks 99, 03, 05 and 07 were all rigged in that case. And I can say without holding back your a ****ing moron. :oldlol:

They've lost in the first round once in the Duncan era, and it took Manu Ginobili breaking his arm to accomplish to feat. :lol That's how dominant we've been.

The reason they haven't won lately is because Duncan and Manu have been old for 4+ years now. Yet we are still competing for titles and have one of the top win percentages year in and year out.

http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/KiD_cc043e_1279669.gif

[HorryIsMyMVP]

Your the only fool who thinks 99, 03, 05 and 07 were all rigged in that case. And I can say without holding back your a ****ing moron. :oldlol:

They've lost in the first round once in the Duncan era, and it took Manu Ginobili breaking his arm to accomplish to feat. :lol That's how dominant we've been.

The reason they haven't won lately is because Duncan and Manu have been old for 4+ years now. Yet we are still competing for titles and have one of the top win percentages year in and year out.

http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/KiD_cc043e_1279669.gif
It's been 5 years of losing in the play off's since then. The Sun's ended up sweeping them in 2010. But that is because Stern hates them right? And the proven rigged title they had was legit because they are small market? You sir are a homer ass clown.

[TMT]

It's been 5 years of losing in the play off's since then. The Sun's ended up sweeping them in 2010. But that is because Stern hates them right? And the proven rigged title they had was legit because they are small market? You sir are a homer ass clown.

Yet we're always in the picture, because we are a quality franchise like we always have been. Keep talking sh*t. Proven rigged title. :oldlol: Yeah I guess the refs helped Golden State beat #1 seed Dallas and helped us sweep Lebron in the Finals too. You're a delusional, biased, worthless piece of shit poster.

You sure can make me laugh though boy.

[mrpibb]

It's been 5 years of losing in the play off's since then. The Sun's ended up sweeping them in 2010. But that is because Stern hates them right? And the proven rigged title they had was legit because they are small market? You sir are a homer ass clown.

Dude, shut the **** up.

[HorryIsMyMVP]

Yet we're always in the picture, because we are a quality franchise like we always have been. Keep talking sh*t. Proven rigged title. :oldlol: Yeah I guess the refs helped Golden State beat #1 seed Dallas and helped us sweep Lebron in the Finals too. You're a delusional, biased, worthless piece of shit poster.

You sure can make me laugh though boy.
The Lebron Cavs. :lol . Anyone with half a brain knew the Championship was decided in the Western Conference title game. Winner of that got to play the "Lebron Cavs". :oldlol: Either team would have kicked their ass. The East was the JV league.

[Whoah10115]

Stern genuinely loved the Spurs for a few years. Be simple and think he really hated seeing them in the Finals.



Right now, I'm sure he doesn't want them anymore. But for most of this past decade, he loved them.

[El Kabong]

I could see a love/hate relationship. He'd love them because they show that a small market team can win and be quality, they usually keep their noses clean and don't cause major trouble. But then he could hate them because they're pretty boring to watch play for a lot of people, they don't market any "superstar" players like the other big teams and because of the small market, when they do play the big games there's not as many people interested in watching. All about the $ in the end.

[Whoah10115]

I could see a love/hate relationship. He'd love them because they show that a small market team can win and be quality, they usually keep their noses clean and don't cause major trouble. But then he could hate them because they're pretty boring to watch play for a lot of people, they don't market any "superstar" players like the other big teams and because of the small market, when they do play the big games there's not as many people interested in watching. All about the $ in the end.


It's mostly keeping their noses clean. Stern has always been worried about the image and protecting it, making sure the league is not seen as thugs.

[Big#50]

Spurs fans getting trolled ugly. LOL
Stern never loved the Spurs. LoL he is a businessman. He couldn't care less about the league image. He wants the league to make money. It's his image to pretend and to act like he cares when players do stupid shit. We are all smart here. Stern hates the Spurs being in the finals.
And the dude with the Ewing Avy or Knicks Avy is a big time Spurs hater. That fool is in every Duncan thread bashing him. HorryMVP is a ****ing troll. I can't believe you guys even waste time dealing with that idiot.

[brantonli]

:roll:

You just went from ridiculous to troll in about 10 minutes. Way to go. http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif

Keep on hatin.

He keeps trolling you and you keep taking the bait :confusedshrug:


I think Stern, as a basketball fan, appreciates the Spurs as much as any of us does, but as a person responsible for the profitability of the league, and the advertising that he can charge for the NBA Finals, the Spurs are terrible, ESPECIALLY when they played grindout basketball with the Detroit Pistons. Plus, how can you sell the Spurs internationally? At least with superstar shooting guards you have Kobe, LeBron, now Durant, and in the past, Iverson, McGrady, Carter, but the Spurs? Oh yeah we all aspire to be like Tony Parker or Manu Ginobili.

I bet that as a business man, Stern would rather have a team like Rockets (Harden + Lin) make the Finals over the Spurs. Shame they'll never be able to rig it that badly lol.

[dunksby]

I don't think Kaman meant to imply that he knows Stern hates the Spurs for real. I think like most of us here he is just saying that Spurs are not appreciated because they don't make as much money for the NBA.

[knicksman]

well, wheres the nba going stern. Looks like its losing while NFL and soccer which is more focused on teamball than iso ball are so much popular than NBA. Hell even NCAA is even more popular than basketball right now.

[niko]

Stern doesn't hate the Spurs. If he hated the Spurs Amar'e would have played. There would have been literally zero outcry from that decision. Did he forget that day he hated them?

Kaman says a lot of stupid shit, i like how people give a Kaman qoute like it's writing a new bible or something. Yes some of what he said was 100% true. But it's Kaman.

[Wonder Bread Kid]

Stern doesn't hate the Spurs. If he hated the Spurs Amar'e would have played. There would have been literally zero outcry from that decision. Did he forget that day he hated them?

You do understand that many and most decisions/fines laid out aren't made solely by Stern. Right?

Only mental midgets think Stern makes all the decisions 100%. :facepalm

[Zodiac]

Stern hates the Hawks too man, we never get any calls in the playoffs and then there's his golden boys of the East, the Celtics, who are basically allowed to foul the living crap out of the Hawks when they play them which eventually causes Josh Smith to lose his temper and get double T'ed

[wakencdukest]

You guys are all just speculating. If Stern had all this power and he hated the Spurs, why did they win all those titles? If he hates small markets because they bring in low ratings and less money, why did the whole cba revolve around leveling the playing field so small markets would be able to compete? Why haven't the Knicks won shit? they are in the biggest market.

[Whoah10115]

The funny thing is, according to Bill Simmons, EVERY Spurs championship is an "asterisk" title. That guy is seriously a fvcking clown.



Every one? I could get that 99 is the lockout. 07 is obvious. The only thing I was ever upset about with 03 is that the Kings -who had it stolen from them the year before- were the best team and Webber went down with the injury, costing them a chance that year and the next. That stings more than the average injury, but it can't have any impact on that title having an asterik. So I can't figure out what the hell the argument would be. 2005...I really have no idea.

[Whoah10115]

They've lost in the first round once in the Duncan era, and it took Manu Ginobili breaking his arm to accomplish to feat. :lol That's how dominant we've been.




They lost to Phoenix in 2000, in the first round.

[Rysio]

if he hated them they wouldnt win 4 rings. they won all their rings without any dominance. that shows if stern wanted to he could've fukked them against any great exciting team and make duncan another karl malone.

[bukowski81]

They lost to Phoenix in 2000, in the first round.

Without Duncan

[rmt]

They lost to Phoenix in 2000, in the first round.

You're forgetting a little thing like Duncan, his knee injury and resulting surgery.

[Myth]

It's nice to see that it was a non-Spurs player who said this. Then again, maybe this is Kaman auditioning for the Spurs.

[Haymaker]

He did get caught though and it was proven a fact. It was more blatantly obvious officiating against the Sun's then any other series in the history of the NBA. One time Bruce Bowen meant to intentionally foul Steve Nash and he did it HARD. And Tim Donaghy didn't call anything. :lol It was like Bowen punched Nash in the face and they just took the ball from him.

Was ?Donaghy the only official on the court?

[SpecialQue]

Damn, by that ruling, you could find ways of putting an asterisk next to every championship. Last year Rose went down. Perkins was down against the Lakers a few years ago. Yao did as well. Bynum was out for some of the playoffs other years. The list goes on.

Yeah. Simmons has written some stupid shit in the past (like his constant waffling on Lebron's legacy), but this is probably the worst.

[madmax17]

Yep. Spurs = small market and successful. Stern hates that. Stern also hates Indiana and managed to sabotage that franchise with Artest as his secret weapon. He can't do that to the Spurs yet.He tried to sabotage Spurs with Rodman :banana:

[rmt]

It's nice to see that it was a non-Spurs player who said this. Then again, maybe this is Kaman auditioning for the Spurs.

No space for another post player with Duncan, Tiago and the Spurs signing a 7 foot Australian this past week.

[SCdac]

Suns had every chance to extend the series in 2007 :oldlol:

Final game of the series:

Amare - 38 points, 12 rebounds, 4 blocks
S. Nash - 18 points, 14 assists, 3 three's

Suns... still lost... not surprising.

Spurs were the better team and had the Suns' number in the 2000's.... They didn't beat SA in the playoffs till Duncan was 33 years old.

[Whoah10115]

Without Duncan



You're forgetting a little thing like Duncan, his knee injury and resulting surgery.


I'm not forgetting anything.



Damn, by that ruling, you could find ways of putting an asterisk next to every championship. Last year Rose went down. Perkins was down against the Lakers a few years ago. Yao did as well. Bynum was out for some of the playoffs other years. The list goes on.


I agree with you and know what you're saying but you can't go from Rose to Webber and Nowitzki and then directly to Perkins.

[Myth]

Suns had every chance to extend the series in 2007 :oldlol:

Final game of the series:

Amare - 38 points, 12 rebounds, 4 blocks
S. Nash - 18 points, 14 assists, 3 three's

Suns... still lost... not surprising.

Spurs were the better team and had the Suns' number in the 2000's.... They didn't beat SA in the playoffs till Duncan was 33 years old.

Was that the same year that Jalen Rose said they lost before they stepped on the court because of D'Antoni not having a game plan to stop Duncan?

[SCdac]

Was that the same year that Jalen Rose said they lost before they stepped on the court because of D'Antoni not having a game plan to stop Duncan?

yes it was.

In that game:

Manu - 33 points
Tony - 30 points
Tim - 24 points

[Whoah10115]

Suns had every chance to extend the series in 2007 :oldlol:

Final game of the series:

Amare - 38 points, 12 rebounds, 4 blocks
S. Nash - 18 points, 14 assists, 3 three's

Suns... still lost... not surprising.

Spurs were the better team and had the Suns' number in the 2000's.... They didn't beat SA in the playoffs till Duncan was 33 years old.



You have 4 titles so don't be condescending. Nash sat out a million minutes down the stretch of the first game and the Amare ruling cost the Suns over two games.


You had calls that whole series and there wasn't anyone who wasn't complaining about it. No, San Antonio wasn't better.


Going by the way you argue, you would think the Spurs are an overlooked team. People may find them boring, but the Spurs aren't overlooked by anyone. Everyone and their dog's neutered balls call Duncan the best PF ever and say it isn't close. Everyone talks up Popovich to the point that if you disagree with anything he says or does you get dosed with the Kobe argument, minus one ring, and with a lecture or dismissive comment about how Pop knows what he's doing.

[Myth]

You have 4 titles so don't be condescending. Nash sat out a million minutes down the stretch of the first game and the Amare ruling cost the Suns over two games.


How does Amare being suspended 1 game cost the Suns over 2 games? And what does over 2 games even mean? Does that mean 3 games?

[SCdac]

No, San Antonio wasn't better.

Riiiiight... Keep telling yourself that. :oldlol:

98: Suns lose to Spurs
03: Suns lose to Spurs
05: Suns lose to Spurs
07: Suns lose to Spurs

The Bottom line is the Suns were an offensive team that were not contenders for the title. All of Amares and Marions points couldn't save the Suns from being a crappy defensive team. That's just the way it is. But hey, at least they were entertaining. Very fast paced and a casual fan's delight.

[Whoah10115]

How does Amare being suspended 1 game cost the Suns over 2 games? And what does over 2 games even mean? Does that mean 3 games?


The only thing that happened was that Phoenix team overplayed in Game 5, at home, and it still was not enough without Amare. And in Game 6, on the road, they were not only gassed but they were on the road to a great team and they lost. It's not a fresh theory either. It was discussed before the games were even played, the possibility of that happening.

And that's not to say that the Suns should have gone thru the motions in Game 5.

That's a scenario where having Popovich would certainly help Phoenix. That's not to say that he doesn't help, in general, but he's terrific with taking in the longterm view.

[Whoah10115]

Riiiiight... Keep telling yourself that. :oldlol:

98: Suns lose to Spurs
03: Suns lose to Spurs
05: Suns lose to Spurs
07: Suns lose to Spurs

The Bottom line is the Suns were an offensive team that were not contenders for the title. All of Amares and Marions points couldn't save the Suns from being a crappy defensive team. That's just the way it is. But hey, at least they were entertaining. Very fast paced and a casual fan's delight.



Listen, I do agree with you on the Suns in 98 and 03 having relevance in 2007.


I think talking Spurs with you is not the best idea.