Charles Barkley > Kobe

[gin17]

peak Charles Barkley > peak Kobe

there, i said it.

[Mamba]

i second this statement.

head to head charles vs kobe in 7 games:

Kobe stats: 16 ppg, 42%, 4.7 rebounds, 1.1 assist, 0.7 blocks, and 2 turnovers per game

Charles stats: 22.3 ppg, 51%, 13.6 rebounds, 3.3 assists, 1.1 blocks and 2.4 turnovers

Charles > kobe head to head

[Ne 1]

I really believe people don't think before saying things like this.

Just how many 30/5/5 SGs have their been in the history of the NBA?

Jordan
Kobe
West (if you count him as a SG)
Wade

And that is about it. That is just as short of a list as great 2 way centers (if not shorter). All the guys mentioned above won titles (Kobe and Jordan numerous titles).

Barkley lacked mental toughness, dedication and never won shit.

The whole big man over a perimeter player thing is frustrating to hear at times.

[red1]

yes no

[Rysio]

:facepalm even barkley would :facepalm

[blablabla]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyhX2YMgNvs

[daily]

i second this statement.

head to head charles vs kobe in 7 games:

Kobe stats: 16 ppg, 42%, 4.7 rebounds, 1.1 assist, 0.7 blocks, and 2 turnovers per game

Charles stats: 22.3 ppg, 51%, 13.6 rebounds, 3.3 assists, 1.1 blocks and 2.4 turnovers

Charles > kobe head to headSince you want to play head to head with two players that didn't even guard each other

Kobe vs Charles
Kobe 8 wins, Charles 3 wins

[gengiskhan]

peak Charles Barkley > peak Kobe

there, i said it.

Agreed.

Better leadership
Better scorer
Much Better Rebounder
Better Bball IQ
Better post-up game
Bigger Alpha Male
Better Passer
Much more efficient Player


Kobe only wins in defense against Barkley. :coleman:

Everything else, Barkley faaks that rapist's a$$.

[andgar923]

peak Charles Barkley > peak Kobe

there, i said it.

no doubt.

Agreed 100%

[tomtucker]

fukk Charles Barkley .....grumpy old bastard

[tazb]

Tell us something we don't know.

[kennethgriffin]

peak kobe was dropping 33/8/6 in a nba finals championship/finals mvp run with a 60 win team

lol@ peak charles

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa280/cashforcards/gtwhhjnhjhhhhh.png

[MJ23forever]

peak kobe was dropping 33/8/6 in a nba finals championship/finals mvp run with a 60 win team



2008-2010 Kobe we're looking at a three year stretch where he got 30/6/6/2 on 47 FG%, 51 eFG%, 57 TS% including some epic series. 2 rings, 3 finals. Not many have done it better...

His conference finals series:

29/6/4 53% vs. Spurs (who just a year before embarassed Lebron and were top 3 defense)
34/6/6 on 48% vs. Nuggets (shut down Chris Paul that year and top 10 defense)
34/7/8 on 52% vs. Suns (who after the all-star break were top 5 defense)

Playoff Stats Year-by-Year

2008
30.1 ppg 5.7 rpg 5.6 apg 48fg% 30%3P 81%FT 58TS% 51eFG%

2009
30.2 ppg 5.3 rpg 5.5 apg 46fg% 35%3P 88%FT 56TS% 49eFG%

2010
29.2 ppg 6.0 rpg 5.5 apg 46fg% 37%3P 84%FT 57TS% 51eFG%

2x NBA Champion
2x NBA Finals MVP
1x NBA MVP
1x All Star Game MVP
3x All NBA First Team
3x All-Defensive First Team
1x Olympic Gold Medal


That efficiency is identical to first three-peat playoff Jordan. Crazy. Seriously, compare their FG% on twos, their eFG% and TS%, they are basically the same (though MJ was better player, scored more points etc etc).

His best series in this span....

34/5/6 on 50% vs. '08 Nuggets
29/6/4 on 53% vs. '08 Spurs (#3 ranked defense and a year before embarrassed Lebron)
34/6/6 on 48% vs. '09 Nuggets
33/7/7 on 49% vs. '08 Jazz
34/7/8 on 52% vs. '10 Suns
32/6/7 + great defense vs. '09 Magic

As far as 3 year runs, the only players I can think of off the top of my head with 3 year runs that I'd say were better were Jordan('91-'93), Shaq('00-'02), Bird('84-'86) and Olajuwon('93-'95). Magic has a case for '87-'89 as well.

[Deuce Bigalow]

2008-2010 Kobe we're looking at a three year stretch where he got 30/6/6/2 on 47 FG%, 51 eFG%, 57 TS% including some epic series. 2 rings, 3 finals. Not many have done it better...

His conference finals series:

29/6/4 53% vs. Spurs (who just a year before embarassed Lebron and were top 3 defense)
34/6/6 on 48% vs. Nuggets (shut down Chris Paul that year and top 10 defense)
34/7/8 on 52% vs. Suns (who after the all-star break were top 5 defense)

Playoff Stats Year-by-Year

2008
30.1 ppg 5.7 rpg 5.6 apg 48fg% 30%3P 81%FT 58TS% 51eFG%

2009
30.2 ppg 5.3 rpg 5.5 apg 46fg% 35%3P 88%FT 56TS% 49eFG%

2010
29.2 ppg 6.0 rpg 5.5 apg 46fg% 37%3P 84%FT 57TS% 51eFG%

2x NBA Champion
2x NBA Finals MVP
1x NBA MVP
1x All Star Game MVP
3x All NBA First Team
3x All-Defensive First Team
1x Olympic Gold Medal


That efficiency is identical to first three-peat playoff Jordan. Crazy. Seriously, compare their FG% on twos, their eFG% and TS%, they are basically the same (though MJ was better player, scored more points etc etc).

His best series in this span....

34/5/6 on 50% vs. '08 Nuggets
29/6/4 on 53% vs. '08 Spurs (#3 ranked defense and a year before embarrassed Lebron)
34/6/6 on 48% vs. '09 Nuggets
33/7/7 on 49% vs. '08 Jazz
34/7/8 on 52% vs. '10 Suns
32/6/7 + great defense vs. '09 Magic

As far as 3 year runs, the only players I can think of off the top of my head with 3 year runs that I'd say were better were Jordan('91-'93), Shaq('00-'02), Bird('84-'86) and Olajuwon('93-'95). Magic has a case for '87-'89 as well.
It's crazy how underrated and disrespected Kobe is.

[The Choken One]

Barkley > Kobe? LOL.

Pau Gasol > Barkley. And Barkley can't even hold a candle to Kobe. Please go.

[Bigsmoke]

lmao

[Deuce Bigalow]

Barkley > Kobe? LOL.

Pau Gasol > Barkley. And Barkley can't even hold a candle to Kobe. Please go.
:biggums:

[ralph_i_el]

Barkley > Kobe? LOL.

Pau Gasol > Barkley. And Barkley can't even hold a candle to Kobe. Please go.

:facepalm

[pauk]

Doesnt mean i think Barkley had a better career or something like that but I would prefer peak Charles Barkley over any Kobe... the only guys i would take over peak Barkley are peak:

Oscar Robertson
Wilt Chamberlain
Magic Johnson
Shaquille Oneal
Lebron James
Larry Bird
Kareem Abdul Jabbar
Michael Jordan
Hakeem Olajuwon

I was fortunate enough to have seen most of peak Barkley games live in the 90s, trust me when i say he was THAT good...

[Bigsmoke]

Doesnt mean i think Barkley had a better career or something like that but I would prefer peak Charles Barkley over any Kobe... the only guys i would take over peak Barkley are peak:

Oscar Robertson
Wilt Chamberlain
Magic Johnson
Shaquille Oneal
Lebron James
Larry Bird
Kareem Abdul Jabbar
Michael Jordan
Hakeem Olajuwon

I was fortunate enough to have seen most of peak Barkley games live in the 90s, trust me when i say he was THAT good...

what year was Barkley better than Moses Malone between 79-83?

[The Choken One]

:facepalm
The insanity in that argument is equal to that of saying Barkley > Kobe... to anyone that has even an ounce of basketball knowledge.

[pauk]

what year was Barkley better than Moses Malone between 79-83?

1987-91 (or perhaps 87-93)...

I have not seen much of peak Moses, but i dont believe Moses was a better overall/allround player than peak Barkley, from what ive seen Barkley had a better scoring arsenal, handling, vision & passing, was a bit more versatile because of that... Moses was perhaps a slightly better rebounder but Barkley pound-for-pound (or maybe i should say height-for-height) was a MUCH better rebounder....

Keep in mind i am not considering any accolades here, but just simple individual on court play from what ive seen with my own eyes (with a hint of stats)... Barkley was an absolute behemoth, very dominant... if it wasnt for Jordan and those damn Bulls, who knows what his accolades would look like :)

[Legends66NBA7]

It's crazy how underrated and disrespected Kobe is.

Disrespected, sure.

But Kobe isn't underrated at all. Maybe they underrate is work ethic and drive, but not as a player or arbitrary all-time ranking.


The insanity in that argument is equal to that of saying Barkley > Kobe... to anyone that has even an ounce of basketball knowledge.

No, it really isn't.

[Bigsmoke]

1987-91 (or perhaps 87-93)...

I have not seen much of peak Moses, but i dont believe Moses was a better overall/allround player than peak Barkley, from what ive seen Barkley had a better scoring arsenal, handling, vision & passing, was a bit more versatile because of that... Moses was perhaps a slightly better rebounder but Barkley pound-for-pound (or maybe i should say height-for-height) was a MUCH better rebounder....

Keep in mind i am not considering any accolades here, but just simple individual on court play from what ive seen with my own eyes (with a hint of stats)...

players 6'5 usually have better handles than players 6'10 :biggums:

Neither were amazing on defense but Moses wasn't a liability like Barkley was and hard to stop because he'll get his offensive rebound whenever he misses.

[Vienceslav]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNyFgQnh8Ps This is what peak 2003 'HGH' Kobe looked like.
Please vacate the premises.

[gin17]

if Barkley had the same amount of talent from his teammates as Kobe had, he'd have more rings and be discussed even higher up the all-time rankings

[RRR3]

I really believe people don't think before saying things like this.

Just how many 30/5/5 SGs have their been in the history of the NBA?

Jordan
Kobe
West (if you count him as a SG)
Wade

And that is about it. That is just as short of a list as great 2 way centers (if not shorter). All the guys mentioned above won titles (Kobe and Jordan numerous titles).

Barkley lacked mental toughness, dedication and never won shit.

The whole big man over a perimeter player thing is frustrating to hear at times.
T-Mac and Pistol Pete

[PJR]

I'm no Bryant fan at all, but yeah I'm taking him over Barkley.

[TheBigVeto]

I really believe people don't think before saying things like this.

Just how many 30/5/5 SGs have their been in the history of the NBA?

Jordan
Kobe
West (if you count him as a SG)
Wade

And that is about it. That is just as short of a list as great 2 way centers (if not shorter). All the guys mentioned above won titles (Kobe and Jordan numerous titles).

Barkley lacked mental toughness, dedication and never won shit.

The whole big man over a perimeter player thing is frustrating to hear at times.


http://oi53.tinypic.com/34rtwyh.jpg


http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh600/Rodman2124/kobeclutch.gif

[Mamba]

Since you want to play head to head with two players that didn't even guard each other

Kobe vs Charles
Kobe 8 wins, Charles 3 wins
Lebron 12 wins to kobe's 6.

http://troll.me/images/patronizing-wiggum/wheres-your-messiah-now-thumb.jpg

[Round Mound]

For Us Elders Over 30 Who Watched Both Play Will Definetly Say Barkley > Kobe

Barkley Was Way More Dominant and Statistical Breakdowns Also Suggest Barkley Was Better: Higher EFF, PER, Plus/Minus, WS, Ws Per 48 Min, Shot Made/Missed Diferential etc.

Barkley Was a More Dominant Player and Much More Efficient than a Volume Scorer.

[HardwoodLegend]

Just how many 30/5/5 SGs have their been in the history of the NBA?

Jordan
Kobe
West (if you count him as a SG)
Wade

And that is about it.

T-MAC 2003.

[D.J.]

For Us Elders Over 30 Who Watched Both Play Will Definetly Say Barkley > Kobe

Barkley Was Way More Dominant and Statistical Breakdowns Also Suggest Barkley Was Better: Higher EFF, PER, Plus/Minus, WS, Ws Per 48 Min, Shot Made/Missed Diferential etc.

Barkley Was a More Dominant Player and Much More Efficient than a Volume Scorer.


Barkley may have made smarter decisions offensively and was more efficient, but he was completely invisible on defense half the time. He took way too many plays off. I'm 34 BTW.

[24r2]

For Us Elders Over 30 Who Watched Both Play Will Definetly Say Barkley > Kobe

Barkley Was Way More Dominant and Statistical Breakdowns Also Suggest Barkley Was Better: Higher EFF, PER, Plus/Minus, WS, Ws Per 48 Min, Shot Made/Missed Diferential etc.

Barkley Was a More Dominant Player and Much More Efficient than a Volume Scorer.

:lol :lol :lol man **** you :lol :lol :lol

[MaxFly]

For Us Elders Over 30 Who Watched Both Play Will Definetly Say Barkley > Kobe

Barkley Was Way More Dominant and Statistical Breakdowns Also Suggest Barkley Was Better: Higher EFF, PER, Plus/Minus, WS, Ws Per 48 Min, Shot Made/Missed Diferential etc.

Barkley Was a More Dominant Player and Much More Efficient than a Volume Scorer.

:oldlol:

[NumberSix]

Peak? Yes. Overall, Kobe>Barkley.

[Bigsmoke]

if Barkley had the same amount of talent from his teammates as Kobe had, he'd have more rings and be discussed even higher up the all-time rankings

Barkley played with Moses Malone, Dr.J, Mo Cheeks, KJ, Hakeem, Drexler, and Pippen,

Pippen said it himself that Barkley doesnt have what it takes to win a championship.

[Round Mound]

Barkley played with Moses Malone, Dr.J, Mo Cheeks, KJ, Hakeem, Drexler, and Pippen,

Pippen said it himself that Barkley doesnt have what it takes to win a championship.

Moses Malone left for the 1985-86 Play-Offs (Barkley entered the NBA in 84-85 a Rookie, it was his 2nd Year)

Dr J Was 34-37 Years Old When Playing with Charles, Way Passed His Prime.

Andrew Toney Suffered a Career Ending Injury in the 1985-86 Season. Never Played the Same After That.

KJ? He Shot 42% FG and Averaged 1 More APG than Barkley in the 1993 NBA Finals.

Barkley post 1995 Was Injury Prone Filled With Back and Knee Injuries, That is Why He Left for the Rockets as a 2nd or 3rd Fiddle because He Could No Longer Play at his Real Level. Infact, Barkley Was about To Retire in 1995 But Ainge Convinced Him Not Too.

Hakeem Was 34 and Drexler was 35. Passed Their Primes. They Had Already Won Their Rings So They Where Not Really Motivated.

Looks like You are Just a Kid that Was Born in 1995 and Never Saw Barkley`s Career :facepalm

[Round Mound]

Barkley may have made smarter decisions offensively and was more efficient, but he was completely invisible on defense half the time. He took way too many plays off. I'm 34 BTW.

He Still had a a Very Similar Defensive Rating to Kobe = Who Was Never a Great Defender...(Pure Marketing and The Media Suck ****-ing) and Also Barkley`s Defensive Win Share is Probably Higher because of his Superior Team Defense.

Barkley has the Higher

EFF
PER
Plus/Minus
Shot Made/Missed Diferential.
Win Share
Win Share Per 48 Minutes etc

Barkley Was a Total Better Player. Its Not His Fault He Played in a Tougher Era With the Big 3 Celtics, Show Time Lakers, Badboys and The Jordan-Pippen-Phil Jackson Dinasty.

Put Kobe in the 1993 Suns Do You Honestly Think He Would Take Them to the NBA Finas as a Ball Hogg and Volume Scorer? No Way!

[Zedja]

No.

[gin17]

put Kobe in Barkley's position, and he won't win any. put Barkley in Kobe's position and he'd win rings. Fact is, Barkley faced fiercer competition in his own era, thus a lot of great players do not have a ring. Ever heard of Jordan depriving a lot of HOF players (who would dominate in today's league) a ring?

[Round Mound]

put Kobe in Barkley's position, and he won't win any. put Barkley in Kobe's position and he'd win rings. Fact is, Barkley faced fiercer competition in his own era, thus a lot of great players do not have a ring. Ever heard of Jordan depriving a lot of HOF players (who would dominate in today's league) a ring?

Should Say The Jordan-PIPPEN-Rodman Duo & Trio....And Also Phil Jackson

It Was Unfair for Malone & Stockton, Barkley, Hakeem, Ewing, Robinson, Drexler, Miller, Payton & Kemp...To Over Power a Duo and Then a Trio Like That With One of the Best Coaches of All Time.

It Wasn`t Just Jordan.

[The Choken One]

Should Say The Jordan-PIPPEN-Rodman Duo & Trio....And Also Phil Jackson

It Was Unfair for Malone & Stockton, Barkley, Hakeem, Ewing, Robinson, Drexler, Miller, Payton & Kemp...To Over Power a Duo and Then a Trio Like That With One of the Best Coaches of All Time.

It Wasn`t Just Jordan.
Most idiots on this site believe Jordan was the only reason they won so many rings. What the hell is a team?

[gin17]

Should Say The Jordan-PIPPEN-Rodman Duo & Trio....And Also Phil Jackson

It Was Unfair for Malone & Stockton, Barkley, Hakeem, Ewing, Robinson, Drexler, Miller, Payton & Kemp...To Over Power a Duo and Then a Trio Like That With One of the Best Coaches of All Time.

It Wasn`t Just Jordan.
a lot of players in jordan's era went lower in the all-time rankings just because they were unfortunate enough to play in the same era as the GOAT and his probably GOAT team.

[eliteballer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyhX2YMgNvs&t=0m30s

[Whoah10115]

This is not as ridiculous as some suggest, tho I would disagree that most older heads would choose Barkley. Most people would choose Bryant, regardless of age.



Who would I take? I don't know. Barkley is one of my favorite players of all-time. He's also, most definitely, the best PF I've ever seen. He's maybe the second best forward I've seen, behind Bird.


I don't know. But hey, I'm looking at it as straight basketball. I'm not paying attention to rings or stats or any of that. If I had to start a team, I'd rather have Barkley than O'Neal. But hey, it is what it is.


However, Kobe is definitely a much better defender than Barkley.

[Round Mound]

a lot of players in jordan's era went lower in the all-time rankings just because they were unfortunate enough to play in the same era as the GOAT and his probably GOAT team.

He is the Best Perimeter Player Ever (there is no denying that) and His Team Was Great but Had Those Players Mentioned That Did Not Win A Ring Added a 3rd Playre in the Level of Grant and Rodman and a Coach of the Level of Phil Jackson,They Would Have Ended Up With 1 or 2 Rings in that Era. The Media Loving for Jordan Was Too Exagerated He Was the Best but Its Not Like He Did Not Have Help. He Had the Best Balance of Offense and Defense in His Teams Unlike Other Stars Who Where Just 1 or 2 More Players Away from Batteling the Bulls Dinasty

It Wasn Just Jordan but His Team Was Overall Better than Those Other Stars

Goat Team? Those Teams Would Have Gotten Destroyed by the Offense, Pasesing Game, Shooting, Fundamentals and Brains of the 80s NBA Teams. Even Robert Parish Mentioned This While Playing For the Bulls.

[Round Mound]

This is not as ridiculous as some suggest, tho I would disagree that most older heads would choose Barkley. Most people would choose Bryant, regardless of age.

Who would I take? I don't know. Barkley is one of my favorite players of all-time. He's also, most definitely, the best PF I've ever seen. He's maybe the second best forward I've seen, behind Bird.

I don't know. But hey, I'm looking at it as straight basketball. I'm not paying attention to rings or stats or any of that. If I had to start a team, I'd rather have Barkley than O'Neal. But hey, it is what it is.


However, Kobe is definitely a much better defender than Barkley.

Agree with Most of the Things You Say Except for the Last Bit

Its a Myth that Charles Was a Bad Defender. In His College Days Maybe But as The Years Progressed He Became One of the Best Team Defenders and a Solid 1 on 1 Defender.

Neither Was Charles or Kobe Dominant Defenders but Good Ones. Kobe is the Most Hyped Up Defender Ever and Statistically It Has Been Prooven To Be.

Both Where Good and Above Average With Charles Being a Better Team Defender and Shot Blocker in his Early Days...It Was Just His Laziness Vs Average Teams.

Barkley Was a Lazy Defender But If You See Him Guard Top Players Like I Did on Bird, Shaq etc That I Saw He Was Very Good When He Was Focused and Motivated and Better than Bryant.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Charles D:

Defensive Win Shares

1985-86 NBA 5.5 (2)

Career NBA 53.9 (35)
Career 53.9 (37)

Defensive Rating

1985-86 NBA 100.5 (7)


Bryant D:

Defensive Win Shares

1999-00 NBA 4.5 (10)
Career NBA 48.2 (47)
Career 48.2 (50)

[red1]

Alright this is starting to get ridiculous and I am starting to feel like the trolling is immature. Honestly there is no way you can compare barkley to kobe. One of them is a proven winner and the other one is a rapist.

[gin17]

Alright this is starting to get ridiculous and I am starting to feel like the trolling is immature. Honestly there is no way you can compare barkley to kobe. One of them is a proven winner and the other one is a rapist.
:cheers:

[KingLeBronJames]

Alright this is starting to get ridiculous and I am starting to feel like the trolling is immature. Honestly there is no way you can compare barkley to kobe. One of them is a proven winner and the other one is a rapist.
Is it rape since she never said "no" to Kobe?

[red1]

Is it rape since she never said "no" to Kobe?
honestly kobe didnt rape her but he is a chucker

[zoom17]

http://instntrply.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/BarkleyDougie1.gif

[MichaelCorleone]

Agree. Barkley > Bryant in the all time ranking.

[Combat Wombat]

http://instntrply.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/BarkleyDougie1.gif

:rolleyes:

Bumping a year old thread to post a lame gif? Nice to see that you are putting those three brain cells to good use.

[ImKobe]

0 rings
empty stats

[Cold soul]

:rolleyes:

Bumping a year old thread to post a lame gif? Nice to see that you are putting those three brain cells to good use.

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kevin-garnett-reaction.gif

[Cold soul]

Yeah, this guy >>>> Kobe by far.


http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/432627/charles-barkley-workin-it-o.gif


:lol

[FlashDwyaneWade3]

Chuck couldn't win championships. How is he better than Kobe?

[MichaelCorleone]

Chuck couldn't win championships. How is he better than Kobe?
If Chuck played with Prime Shaq they would 8-peat.

[TheMarkMadsen]

http://i2.wp.com/www.beyondthebuzzer.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/chucksleeping.gif?resize=450%2C254

fail :lol

[zoom17]

fail :lol

you failed to:oldlol:

[TheMarkMadsen]

you failed to:oldlol:

:confusedshrug:

present your evidence

[Combat Wombat]

you failed to:oldlol:

:facepalm :facepalm

The only thing that failed was your dads condom and it's a damn shame too. There were already enough bandwagon fans in this world and your birth has only added to an existing problem.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

There is no, zero argument for Kobe being a better player skill wise than Barkley if you dont count the rings.
Literally none:coleman: :coleman:

[Combat Wombat]

There is no, zero argument for Kobe being a better player skill wise than Barkley if you dont count the rings.
Literally none:coleman: :coleman:

:facepalm

How would you know, considering you were still swimming around in your dads ******** during Barkley's prime. Do you even know what team he was drafted by, idiot?

[MichaelCorleone]

There is no, zero argument for Kobe being a better player skill wise than Barkley if you dont count the rings.
Literally none:coleman: :coleman:
This.

[Im Still Ballin]

There is no, zero argument for Kobe being a better player skill wise than Barkley if you dont count the rings.
Literally none:coleman: :coleman:

This.
That.
This.

[theoneneo]

There is no, zero argument for Kobe being a better player skill wise than Barkley if you dont count the rings.
Literally none:coleman: :coleman:

Lol Rings have nothing to do with skill ya turd. Kobe is far more skilled than Barkley, what skill does Barkley possess that Kobe doesn't?

[Milbuck]

There is no, zero argument for Kobe being a better player skill wise than Barkley if you dont count the rings.
Literally none:coleman: :coleman:
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Bigsmoke]

I hate Kobe but he was a far superior player than barkley