Can you think of a bigger potential scandal than Lebron using PEDs?

[Tarik One]

...and getting caught? This is just hypothetical. I believe this would eclipse Tiger Woods' and Lance Armstong's situations easily.

Can you come up with another (that's non-deadly of course)?

[jimmy77x]

Lebron would be the biggest exposure , but the NBA needs to start testing so we can find out just how many frauds there are, im guessing 50%

[STATUTORY]

is ecstasy a PED?

http://soundisstyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/lebron-james-popped-a-molly-im-sweatin.jpg

[ProfessorMurder]

They should be doing mandatory tests in all sports, year round.

[SpecialQue]

I believe this would eclipse Tiger Woods' and Lance Armstong's situations easily.

Can you come up with another (that's non-deadly of course)?

Not even remotely close there.

[andremiller07]

Tbh I wouldn't care because basketball unlike sports like running,cycling and swimming requires far more all around skills and IQ which Lebron has. But it wouldn't even be close to the Armstrong one tho.

[pauk]

lol.. Lebron was like this since highschool and even more athletic, between the age of 17 and today for him its only a 15-20 lbs of muscle difference

[Jakeh008]

MJs Doctor says he has proof he gave him PEDs. Then mysteriously disappears the day before he suppose to go on Oprah

[STATUTORY]

lol.. Lebron was like this since highschool and even more athletic, he only added like 15-20 lbs of muscle
http://media.cleveland.com/cavs_impact/photo/lebron-james-high-school-player-making-of-an-mvpjpg-c2ee76d2543e2503_large.jpg

Lebron in HS

15-20 pounds? u blind?

[jimmy77x]

lol.. Lebron was like this since highschool and even more athletic, between the age of 17 and today for him its only a 15-20 lbs of muscle difference

I know you will defend lebron to the death but lebron was not like that in HS and you have to be pretty naive to think no one is taking them. Didn't Derrick Rose come out and say ped's were a big problem in the nba but then denied he said it like 2 years ago?

[Droid101]

http://media.cleveland.com/cavs_impact/photo/lebron-james-high-school-player-making-of-an-mvpjpg-c2ee76d2543e2503_large.jpg

Lebron in HS

15-20 pounds? u blind?
It's pauk. He's an irrational LeBron lover.

Welcome to Insidehoops.com

[9erempiree]

The NBA is one of those leagues that will cover it up.

[stephanieg]

I assume most players are on some sort of PED. Maybe I'm overly cynical.

A bigger scandal would be if more rigged games / dirty refs / mob ties came out, especially if it went up to Stern. Could cast a shadow over the whole league and not just now, but the last several decades.

[dbk123]

http://media.cleveland.com/cavs_impact/photo/lebron-james-high-school-player-making-of-an-mvpjpg-c2ee76d2543e2503_large.jpg

Lebron in HS

15-20 pounds? u blind?
Lol that pic is in 10th grade. You do know high school has 4 years right?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

http://media.cleveland.com/cavs_impact/photo/lebron-james-high-school-player-making-of-an-mvpjpg-c2ee76d2543e2503_large.jpg

Lebron in HS

15-20 pounds? u blind?
he wAs 245 when drafted. do you think he's more than 265 now?

[Droid101]

Lol that pic is in 10th grade. You do know high school has 4 years right?
I was 17 in 10th grade.

[Zodiac]

I was 17 in 10th grade.
Well not everyone is special like you

[Borat]

...and getting caught? This is just hypothetical. I believe this would eclipse Tiger Woods' and Lance Armstong's situations easily.

Can you come up with another (that's non-deadly of course)?

wouldnt touch the armstrong scandal. not even close.
you realise everyone in the world knows lance? Lance is more popular worldwide than the entire NBA.
I dont expect an american to realise this.

[SpecialQue]

I was 17 in 10th grade.

That's not something to brag about.

[Dave3]

I was 17 in 10th grade.
The rest of us were 15 lol. As with LeBron, he was also 15 in 10th grade.

http://net.archbold.k12.oh.us/ahs/web_class/Spring_10/lebronjames_stevens/images/highscool%203.jpg

This is a smarter picture and applies much more to what Pauk said. He may be irrational, but the reply to his post was stupider than anything he said.

[STATUTORY]

he wAs 245 when drafted. do you think he's more than 265 now?
Yes. His weight is deceptively high because how tall he is.

I'm 6ft4, similar build to Lebron and if you saw me you probably think I'm in the 220 range but in actuality I weigh about 250

black is slimming

[lilgodfather1]

LeBron was 250 coming into the NBA. Reportedly he's now up around 270 or more, which is nuts considering he has to be around 10% bf. I don't know if he took HGH, but that growth he had a few years ago, and the increase in size would suggest he might have.

[upside24]

It would be insane if that ever happened, but LeBron just hit the genetic lottery IMO.

[Derka]

I care not a whit about PEDs at this point.

I just assume all pro sports are corrupt and go from there.

[MichaelCheazley]

Probably a rape scandal of some sort....

[Borat]

Yes. His weight is deceptively high because how tall he is.

I'm 6ft4, similar build to Lebron and if you saw me you probably think I'm in the 220 range but in actuality I weigh about 250

black is slimming

no your not a similar build to Lebron

[dbk123]

Probably a rape scandal of some sort....
Lol this!!!

[Nash]

How is Dwight's weight change?

[Nash]

I was 17 in 10th grade.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Borat]

LeBron was 250 coming into the NBA. Reportedly he's now up around 270 or more, which is nuts considering he has to be around 10% bf. I don't know if he took HGH, but that growth he had a few years ago, and the increase in size would suggest he might have.

he wouldnt weigh 250 now
he'd be 6'8 245

he would have been 230 out of high school IMO, dont really care what the alleged predraft measurements were

[jimmy77x]

I was 17 in 10th grade.

dam son i graduated at 17 :facepalm

[RoundMoundOfReb]

he wouldnt weigh 250 now
he'd be 6'8 245

he would have been 230 out of high school IMO, dont really care what the alleged predraft measurements were
:biggums:

He was weighed on a scale. How can you not care about that?

[STATUTORY]

no your not a similar build to Lebron
If I shaved my hairline back, strapped on a pair of headband and a number 6 heat jersey and walked into a dimly lit club, you would think the Heat was in town and be looking over my shoulder for Wade and the rest of the squad.

[Pointguard]

LeBron was 250 coming into the NBA. Reportedly he's now up around 270 or more, which is nuts considering he has to be around 10% bf. I don't know if he took HGH, but that growth he had a few years ago, and the increase in size would suggest he might have.

20lbs for a guy that big isn't crazy. Most people gain 20 lbs between 18 and 25 years of age. And Lebron has a much bigger frame than most people. Plus his weight gain is exceptionally proportional.

Dwight would be the one to look out for cause I doubt his back can support his muscle. Usually your body will fight putting 280 pounds on a 28 inch waist. Neither guy seems extra hyped/aggressive and both seem like rather happy guys. Rashard Lewis was more aggressive and hyped when he supposedly took his. When you are in the gym the steroid boys are usually psychotic and aggressive - like KG but he came out of HS like that as well.

[ProfessorMurder]

Rashard Lewis was more aggressive and hyped when he supposedly took his.

That is such bullshit. He was busted for DHEA, which is nothing. You can buy it in healthfood stores. It slightly ups testosterone, and no, he wasn't roid raging.

[jl1718]

Prolly one of Stern's "dead bodies". LBJ's jaw line should be a dead give away. But, he's far from alone.

[Kingwillball]

wouldnt touch the armstrong scandal. not even close.
you realise everyone in the world knows lance? Lance is more popular worldwide than the entire NBA.
I dont expect an american to realise this.


I disagree, While Armstrong is Popular not EVERYONE in the world knows him. He rides a Bike(not a Household sport by any means) and is More known in Recent Years for the Scandal and the LIVESTRONG campaign and beating cancer. Lebron James is one of the top 5 most Recognizable Sports figures in the world right now in a MUCH more mainstream sport.

[Borat]

:biggums:

He was weighed on a scale. How can you not care about that?

they lied. dont be that naive.
u telling me he is bigger than Karl, who was 6'8 250?
false.

[Borat]

I disagree, While Armstrong is Popular not EVERYONE in the world knows him. He rides a Bike(not a Household sport by any means) and is More known in Recent Years for the Scandal and the LIVESTRONG campaign and beating cancer. Lebron James is one of the top 5 most Recognizable Sports figures in the world right now in a MUCH more mainstream sport.


Where have you been in the world? I have been everywhere basically. Armstrong is WORLD RENOWNED by EVERYONE. Men, women, children. He won the most well known race in the world 7 times.
Lebron is not as popular as you think.
That is a typical USA post.

[Kingwillball]

Lebron was Probably 230-235 out of HS and he is 265-270 now. He has put on 35-40 lbs on muscle and growth. Even if he didn't lift a Single weight or take a single supplement would of easily filled out to 250.

[Borat]

Lebron was Probably 230-235 out of HS and he is 265-270 now. He has put on 35-40 lbs on muscle and growth. Even if he didn't lift a Single weight or take a single supplement would of easily filled out to 250.

245-250 right now at the most.

[DuMa]

He went through 3 different years of random drug testing at the olympics. Its unlikely he is using PEDs in the NBA. he may have been using during high school. i just really fathom how he is so much bigger and faster and stronger than everyone in high school.

[Kingwillball]

Where have you been in the world? I have been everywhere basically. Armstrong is WORLD RENOWNED by EVERYONE. Men, women, children. He won the most well known race in the world 7 times.
Lebron is not as popular as you think.
That is a typical USA post.

Sorry Dude, in America most people don't give a Sh!t about him winning For Bike races. In fact I never even watched one of his races except for a highlight here or there. Guess what both are from America and LBJ is a MUCH BIGGER ICON than Armstrong. If you poled 100 Americans who it would be a bigger deal meeting or getting an Autograph from I would say at least 70 would say Lebron.

[Mamba]

this ring a bell?

http://i.cdn.turner.com/dr/teg/tsg/release/sites/default/files/imagecache/670xX/photos/kobebryant1.jpg

[HardwoodLegend]

He went through 3 different years of random drug testing at the olympics. Its unlikely he is using PEDs in the NBA. he may have been using during high school. i just really fathom how he is so much bigger and faster and stronger than everyone in high school.

I'm not crying conspiracy as if I know it to be true, but I easily could see the NBA and Olympic Committee colluding behind closed doors to doctor the test results.

NBA superstars are a huge moneymaker for the Olympics.

Ben Johnson was an easy target because he came out of nowhere and wasn't really an established name, but I could see the Olympics covering any scandal involving a Usain Bolt or LeBron James.

[Michael_Wilbon]

lol.. Lebron was like this since highschool and even more athletic, between the age of 17 and today for him its only a 15-20 lbs of muscle difference

He's not saying he did. He' saying how big would the fall out be IF he did. Calm down you dick riding f@gg0t.

[O_City_Thunder]

http://net.archbold.k12.oh.us/ahs/web_class/Spring_10/lebronjames_stevens/images/highscool%203.jpg

Looks kinda like Stephen Jackson is this picture.

[Lebron23]

He went through 3 different years of random drug testing at the olympics. Its unlikely he is using PEDs in the NBA. he may have been using during high school. i just really fathom how he is so much bigger and faster and stronger than everyone in high school.


This

LeBron passed the Olympic Style Drug Test. We have a more advance drug testing in the Olympics compare to the Basketball and Baseball which only uses urine test.


http://edition.cnn.com/2012/04/12/sport/drugs-london-2012-olympics-laboratory/index.html

[jimmy77x]

This

LeBron passed the Olympic Style Drug Test. We have a more advance drug testing in the Olympics compare to the Basketball and Baseball which only uses urine test.


http://edition.cnn.com/2012/04/12/sport/drugs-london-2012-olympics-laboratory/index.html


I'm not crying conspiracy as if I know it to be true, but I easily could see the NBA and Olympic Committee colluding behind closed doors to doctor the test results.

NBA superstars are a huge moneymaker for the Olympics.

Ben Johnson was an easy target because he came out of nowhere and wasn't really an established name, but I could see the Olympics covering any scandal involving a Usain Bolt or LeBron James.
this^^

[nightprowler10]

People really don't get the point of this thread do they...

[tmacattack33]

Lance Armstrong's would still be bigger.

In a sport like cycling, we can pretty much be certain that Armstrong wouldn't have been close to the level he was without the drugs.

In basketball, you can't really say that.

Lebron would still be 6'8, pretty fast, possess elite passing vision skills and PG skills, have very good ball handling skills, and be an average NBA shooter. That would still equate to an all-star player.

[Kingwillball]

Lance Armstrong's would still be bigger.

In a sport like cycling, we can pretty much be certain that Armstrong wouldn't have been close to the level he was without the drugs.

In basketball, you can't really say that.

Lebron would still be 6'8, pretty fast, possess elite passing vision skills and PG skills, have very good ball handling skills, and be an average NBA shooter. That would still equate to an all-star player.


Basically what your Saying is Armstrong needed PEDS to be World Class while Lebron was just Born with it.. AKA a freak of Nature.

[sundizz]

If you check out DraftExpress's numbers, coming into the league Lebron was:

6'7.25, 6'8 with shoes, 245 lbs, 6.7% bf in June 2003 at 18 years old.

I think it is completely reasonable, given his frame, that he could put on 20 pounds of muscle (and probably a little fat) in the 10 years since then.

http://www.bballone.com/lebronj/highschool/images/highschool10.jpg

[plowking]

LeBron was 250 coming into the NBA. Reportedly he's now up around 270 or more, which is nuts considering he has to be around 10% bf. I don't know if he took HGH, but that growth he had a few years ago, and the increase in size would suggest he might have.

LOL at Lebron being 10% bodyfat.

Hes closer to 5 or 6%.

[Lebron23]

Murder or rape is a much bigger scandal. see Chris Benoit 2007, and Kobe Bryant 2003.

[red1]

yes kd on peds would be a bigger scandal

[D.J.]

http://media.cleveland.com/cavs_impact/photo/lebron-james-high-school-player-making-of-an-mvpjpg-c2ee76d2543e2503_large.jpg

Lebron in HS

15-20 pounds? u blind?


That pic was no later than 10th grade, may have even been 9th grade. He was 240 when he was drafted. Not to mention his hairline is perfectly straight.

[33teeth]

Not even remotely close there.

This.

[creepingdeath]

LOL at Lebron being 10% bodyfat.

Hes closer to 5 or 6%.
:facepalm

[Djahjaga]

Well not everyone is special like you

:roll: GOTTEM!

[LONGTIME]

LOL at Lebron being 10% bodyfat.

Hes closer to 5 or 6%.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7s3t3S4Q31qb72up.jpg

[SilkkTheShocker]

Lol that pic is in 10th grade. You do know high school has 4 years right?


Stat did the 3rd grade more than once. I don't think he actually got to the high school level to know what he's talking about it.

[Pointguard]

That is such bullshit. He was busted for DHEA, which is nothing. You can buy it in healthfood stores. It slightly ups testosterone, and no, he wasn't roid raging.
LOL, I said "supposedly," calm down steroid boy. Something upped his testosterone a whoooooole lot. Nobody in their prime, has their game dip like that, and his attitude along with it. I can't say I know it to be drugs, but he definitely lost aggression, he lost confidence and became passive after that year. His whole presence looked weaker. At 30 years old you are supposed to know yourself better, be more confident, and be more at peace with yourself.

Basketball players can't go hard with Roids because its day to day debilitates you quicker and would give you heart palpitations. It would have to be of the lighter kind if used.

[FKAri]

Lebron is definitely on something. But so is 80% of the league. Stamina and recovery being the biggest reasons why.

It wouldn't be bigger than Lance's story tho. Mainly because of the multiple layers in his story like cancer survivor, so dominant in his sport. Lance was a real sport hero.

[lakerspng]

The majority of pro athletes today use PEDs. And of those the majority began in high school. It's just the world we live in.

Lebron being "caught" would not be as big as lance Armstrong simply because there was an international manhunt out to get lance that lasted for years and was publicized for all that time. Lance was the ultimate anti-doping target for a long long time from the international community, has was their moby dick.

[STATUTORY]

Lebron is definitely on something. But so is 80% of the league. Stamina and recovery being the biggest reasons why.

It wouldn't be bigger than Lance's story tho. Mainly because of the multiple layers in his story like cancer survivor, so dominant in his sport. Lance was a fake sport hero.

fixed

this is rookie Lebron
http://crankuptheheat.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/lebronrookie.jpg

Lebron is SIX FOOT EIGHT. if he only put on 20 pounds then it would be barely noticeable given his frame.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_DnHMILhdlEE/SsD4fEUN11I/AAAAAAAAE7Y/wRbGOS_Zw9E/s400/Taylor-Lautner-Big-Small-Body.jpg

that's what 30 pound gain look like on a 5ft8 guy. Lebron's mass size was even more noticeable than that and he's 6ft8. If you think he only gained 15-20 pounds then :facepalm.

[ShaqAttack3234]

20lbs for a guy that big isn't crazy. Most people gain 20 lbs between 18 and 25 years of age. And Lebron has a much bigger frame than most people. Plus his weight gain is exceptionally proportional.

Dwight would be the one to look out for cause I doubt his back can support his muscle. Usually your body will fight putting 280 pounds on a 28 inch waist. Neither guy seems extra hyped/aggressive and both seem like rather happy guys. Rashard Lewis was more aggressive and hyped when he supposedly took his. When you are in the gym the steroid boys are usually psychotic and aggressive - like KG but he came out of HS like that as well.

Absolutely no way Dwight's waist is 28 inches. His size is almost all in his upperbody, and I've heard of guys like Malone and Robinson having 31-32 inch waists, so I'd believe that for Dwight, but not 28. For example, Sylvester Stallone who was far more lean and shredded than Dwight with a much more impressive build in his Rambo days had a 29-30 inch waist, and he was a good foot shorter and 100 pounds lighter.

And there's no question Lebron is 265-270. You can't necessarily make comparisons by how different players look and what their weight is. Their weight depends on how big their bones are, where they carry their weight and if you're leaner, you'll look bigger. People always use Malone has a comparison, but he was leaner and had a much more impressive physique than Dwight.

[kentatm]

the NBA was willing to cover up MJs gambling so they would totally cover up its biggest names doing PEDs.

Hell, its pretty damn obvious Wade is on something.

[gilalizard]

lol.. Lebron was like this since highschool and even more athletic, between the age of 17 and today for him its only a 15-20 lbs of muscle difference

lol absolute delusion

[bigt]

Sorry Dude, in America most people don't give a Sh!t about him winning For Bike races. In fact I never even watched one of his races except for a highlight here or there. Guess what both are from America and LBJ is a MUCH BIGGER ICON than Armstrong. If you poled 100 Americans who it would be a bigger deal meeting or getting an Autograph from I would say at least 70 would say Lebron.

Speaking from a worldwide standpoint, Lance Armstrong's scandal is bigger than any doping scandal of Lebron's would reach. All the years of his adamant claims he never doped, and the fallout from the revelations, no way Bron would reach that

[IGotACoolStory]

LeBron actually being a transsexual would be a bigger story.

Bosh and Battier have love sessions in the locker room.

[The Choken One]

lol.. Lebron was like this since highschool and even more athletic, between the age of 17 and today for him its only a 15-20 lbs of muscle difference
It's only January and I can safely say this is the dumbest post of 2013.

[gilalizard]

Few in the U.S. give two shits for the Tour De France.

If/when LeBron gets exposed for doping, it's supremely more important and relevant to the U.S. audiences. And we are the main market for the NBA.

LeBron finally getting exposed for doping would be a historical moment for the game of basketball.

Which is why it will never happen until he after he retires. LeBron, as always, from the start of his career until today, will get protected by the officials of the game.

Which is what's ultimately tragic for everyone: Never getting to see his great talent achieve without drugs and officiating bias.

[D.J.]

that's what 30 pound gain look like on a 5ft8 guy. Lebron's mass size was even more noticeable than that and he's 6ft8. If you think he only gained 15-20 pounds then :facepalm.


That's not 30 pounds difference on Taylor Lautner. That's more like 10-15. LeBron came into the league at 240 and yes, I agree 15-20 pounds isn't enough. Definitely a good 25 pounds.

[fpliii]

Few in the U.S. gives a serious shit about the Tour De France.

If/when LeBron gets exposed for doping, it's supremely more important and relevant to the U.S. audiences. And we are the main market for the NBA.

LeBron finally getting exposed for doping would be a historical moment for the game of basketball.

Which is why it will never happen until he after he retires. LeBron, as always, from the start of his career to today, will get protected by the officials of the game.

I'm not a LeBron guy, but how can you state that so matter-of-factually? Do you honestly feel that it's a given that he's on something banned, or are you being facetious?

[gilalizard]

I'm not a LeBron guy, but how can you state that so matter-of-factually? Do you honestly feel that it's a given that he's on something banned, or are you being facetious?

No I'm not being facetious. And mind you, I don't think it's just him. I think a significant amount of players, though not all, do the same.

It's just far more shameful for him to do so, considering how talented he is naturally.

[Lebron23]

Gilalizard is a huge LeBron hater. This dubious troll almost killed himself after LeBron won his first Finals MVP at age 27. Kobe, LeBron and the rest of Team USA submitted their urine, and blood in the 2010 and 2012 Olympics. They passed the test with flying colors.

[gilalizard]

Gilalizard is a huge LeBron hater. This son of a b1tch almost killed himself after LeBron won his first Finals MVP at age 27. Kobe, LeBron and the rest of Team USA submitted their urine, and blood in the 2010 and 2012 Olympics. They passed the test with flying colors.

huh?

[fpliii]

No I'm not being facetious. And mind you, I don't think it's just him. I think a significant, though not all, do the same.

It's just far more shameful for him to do so, considering how talented he is naturally.

I wouldn't be shocked if any player was using something (although whether or not they're using something like HGH in the offseason isn't something I care about, for healing/rehabilitation purposes). I've had this discussion with friends before and it's definitely a minority opinion, but a handful of people I've spoken with do believe this as well.

Maybe I'm slightly taken aback because in my mind I automatically associate straight anabolic steroids/masking agents with PEDs (which wouldn't make much sense in basketball), but I guess there is a myriad of other designer drugs out there.

Either way though I disagree that it's likely that anybody is using something, it would be surprising if any one player was on something (or even a group of players) rather than earth-shattering/shocking IMO.

[Lebron23]

Few in the U.S. give two shits for the Tour De France.

If/when LeBron gets exposed for doping, it's supremely more important and relevant to the U.S. audiences. And we are the main market for the NBA.

LeBron finally getting exposed for doping would be a historical moment for the game of basketball.

Which is why it will never happen until he after he retires. LeBron, as always, from the start of his career until today, will get protected by the officials of the game.

Which is what's ultimately tragic for everyone: Never getting to see his great talent achieve without drugs and officiating bias.


The dumbest post in the history of this forum. You can inject some PEDS inside your brain. You are still one dumb, looking Kobetard.


That's not 30 pounds difference on Taylor Lautner. That's more like 10-15. LeBron came into the league at 240 and yes, I agree 15-20 pounds isn't enough. Definitely a good 25 pounds.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/LeBron-James-2967/


245 lbs

[ripthekik]

wouldnt be surprised :confusedshrug:

[Lebron23]

LeBron raping a girl, or murdering an innocent person will be a much bigger scandal than LeBron using PEDS.

Murderers, and rapists are the scums of the Universe.

[Whoah10115]

they lied. dont be that naive.
u telling me he is bigger than Karl, who was 6'8 250?
false.



Malone was definitely heavier than 250. Even tho he had half a percent of body fat, he was more than 250.

[CavaliersFTW]

http://media.cleveland.com/cavs_impact/photo/lebron-james-high-school-player-making-of-an-mvpjpg-c2ee76d2543e2503_large.jpg

Lebron in HS

15-20 pounds? u blind?
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: exposed :applause:

Lebrons stans are the most ignorant fans on the planet

[Pacers4ever]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: exposed :applause:

Lebrons stans are the most ignorant fans on the planet
He didn't expose anyone. That picture was in the 10th grade here are better pictures


http://net.archbold.k12.oh.us/ahs/web_class/Spring_10/lebronjames_stevens/images/highscool%203.jpg

rookie
http://crankuptheheat.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/lebronrookie.jpg


Puk is correct factually as he was drafted at 245 and around 265 now. 20 pounds

[Pacers4ever]

I was 17 in 10th grade.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Funnyfuka]

Lebron would be the biggest exposure , but the NBA needs to start testing so we can find out just how many frauds there are, im guessing 50%
it s not really a fraud when all of them are on small doses of epo, steroids and hgh , when all the medical staffs of all teams are prescribing them legally.

[Funnyfuka]

They should be doing mandatory tests in all sports, year round.
you wouldnt watch the nba anymore as after second quarter they wouldnt be able to move their massive frames from on side of the court to the other.

[ProfessorMurder]

LOL, I said "supposedly," calm down steroid boy. Something upped his testosterone a whoooooole lot. Nobody in their prime, has their game dip like that, and his attitude along with it. I can't say I know it to be drugs, but he definitely lost aggression, he lost confidence and became passive after that year. His whole presence looked weaker. At 30 years old you are supposed to know yourself better, be more confident, and be more at peace with yourself.

Basketball players can't go hard with Roids because its day to day debilitates you quicker and would give you heart palpitations. It would have to be of the lighter kind if used.

Steroid boy? The f*ck does that mean. I'm just trying to clarify.

A. You don't know how big of a spike his testosterone had. They blamed the positive test on DHEA, which isn't even a full blown steroid.

B. His attitude didn't noticeably change on the court, and his 'dip' in production was already happening. His best year was 06-07 and then dropped pretty gradually... aka Got older, went to a team with more talent, got less shots, and showed he was overpaid. Some guys peak earlier, and then he was traded to a garbage team and barely played.

[ProfessorMurder]

you wouldnt watch the nba anymore as after second quarter they wouldnt be able to move their massive frames from on side of the court to the other.

What? Are you trying to say that drug tests will make players fat? Or that they will encourage more players to take them? Speak English man.

[Magic 32]

Sterns doping program is designed to fail.

If Armstrong can get around the post-98 testing of Tour De France for 7 years, then NBA players can't possibly be stupid enough to get caught during a 3 weeks summer olympics.

[tpols]

Sterns doping program is designed to fail.

If Armstrong can get around the post-98 testing of Tour De France for 7 years, then NBA players can't possibly be stupid enough to get caught during a 3 weeks summer olympics.
Every player does something. They are professional athletes who play a shit load of games/practices/scrimmages every year.. When you get to that level where it's your life and you have a bunch of knowledgeable doctors watching your every step guiding you through the procedures that keep you playing at a high level and minimizing injury its fine.

Now if we see all these guys develop some fvcked up shit 20 years from now then.. It will have been bad. But I honestly don't think that will be the case.

[nextlife]

He went through 3 different years of random drug testing at the olympics. Its unlikely he is using PEDs in the NBA. he may have been using during high school. i just really fathom how he is so much bigger and faster and stronger than everyone in high school.

Lance Armstrong passed over 300 drug tests. You should read Tyler Hamilton's book "The Secret Race", it's really not that hard to beat a drug test.

I personally think the majority of the NBA uses PED's

[ShaqAttack3234]

Sterns doping program is designed to fail.

If Armstrong can get around the post-98 testing of Tour De France for 7 years, then NBA players can't possibly be stupid enough to get caught during a 3 weeks summer olympics.

Yeah, it'd be exceptionally stupid to get caught during the Olympics. They're far less important to these player's careers. There are a number of guys I suspect of some PED use, primarily Dwight and Malone. I'm not positive either have done anything, but I'm positive quite a few athletes in every sport use PEDs, and many of them are guys you wouldn't expect.

[ILLsmak]

...and getting caught? This is just hypothetical. I believe this would eclipse Tiger Woods' and Lance Armstong's situations easily.

Can you come up with another (that's non-deadly of course)?

LeBron coming out of the closet, easily.

Edit: I think LeBron is on PEDs. I think that LeBron has a great body for it and they got him early and groomed him. That's why he was hyped for so long. That's also why I think guys are shorter now... they are doing that shit too early. Dwight looks like he could have been the same.

-Smak

[Breezy]

I remember thinking during the 2009 ECF That he might be using ped's.

I don't think he is and here is my only evidence. Look at how healthy he is. One of the most common side effects of p.e.d. use is other health problems, ESPECIALLY Joint issues and infections. Which lebron pretty much has none of.

There are a bunch of Sports stars I suspect of using because of this... Tiger woods, Alex Rodriguez... But not lebron.

[longtime lurker]

I remember a couple years ago Lebron had surgery for a growth on his jaw that is linked to PED's or maybe I'm just making shit up. I can't remember exactly. Let's just say it wouldn't surprise me

[ShaqAttack3234]

I remember thinking during the 2009 ECF That he might be using ped's.

I don't think he is and here is my only evidence. Look at how healthy he is. One of the most common side effects of p.e.d. use is other health problems, ESPECIALLY Joint issues and infections. Which lebron pretty much has none of.

There are a bunch of Sports stars I suspect of using because of this... Tiger woods, Alex Rodriguez... But not lebron.

I don't particularly suspect Lebron either, but it wouldn't surprise me. However, the health thing isn't all that suggestive. Barry Bonds was healthy until about age 40, ****ed up his knee, iirc, but then played very well after that before retiring at 43. Sammy Sosa remained healthy as well, even with all the additional bulk.

[Crystallas]

Yeah, use pictures of HS LeBron to make your point. He got bigger, like Lance Armstrong's before and after. Look at how HUGE Lance Armstrong and all of the other cyclists got after using PEDs. :facepalm

[ralph_i_el]

wouldnt touch the armstrong scandal. not even close.
you realise everyone in the world knows lance? Lance is more popular worldwide than the entire NBA.
I dont expect an american to realise this.

bullshit.

[unbreakable]

why is lebron so SECRETIVE about his weight? dude hasnt had an honest weight since like 2004.

that right there is proof enough the dude is on something

[Shaquille O'Neal]

I can't believe a PED thread has gone on this long and D12 hasn't been mentioned. :facepalm

http://www.slamonline.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/dwight.jpg

:rolleyes: