Grizzlies are for real now

[Derivative]

I've always thought the Grizzlies were kind of the Pistons in the 2000s, balanced roster, good defense, very strong front court. The only outlier was Rudy Gay who is too inconsistent to be a leader.

Now that Rudy Gay has been replaced by Tayshaun Prince, this Grizzlies team got someone who has experience and can instantly fill in this balanced offense, defense focused team.

plus they got ed davis comming off the bench

[Celtic_Pride]

How consistent has Prince been with his outside shot lately?

Conley/Allen/Prince/Randolph/Gasol is probably the best defensive team in the league. With Gay gone, Gasol will probably get more touches which is the best thing for them!

[zac]

How consistent has Prince been with his outside shot lately?

Conley/Allen/Prince/Randolph/Gasol is probably the best defensive team in the league. With Gay gone, Gasol will probably get more touches which is the best thing for them!
He's shooting 43% from 3 this year! I love this trade because I've always like Davis and Daye too.

[entropy35]

don't forget Wroten and CJ. Both very good.

[zac]

Also Pondexter has been the Grizzlies best 3pt shooter before Ellington banged knees with him. The grizzlies have never had shooters!

[TheBigVeto]

Tayshaun "The Prison Guard" Prince is a great defensive player.

[Mr. NBA]

How consistent has Prince been with his outside shot lately?

Conley/Allen/Prince/Randolph/Gasol is probably the best defensive team in the league. With Gay gone, Gasol will probably get more touches which is the best thing for them!
We already had the best defensive team with Rudy. Rudy isnt as bad as people say be is especially on defense.

[brandonislegend]

I think Prince is a better spot up shooter than Rudy Gay, but Rudy Gay is much better at getting his own shot, lucky the Grizzlies need a spot up with Z-bo and Marc on the block and Conley slashing. Good trade for both teams imo.

[Celtic_Pride]

He's shooting 43% from 3 this year! I love this trade because I've always like Davis and Daye too.

That should be sweet for the Grizzlies. He will have plenty of open looks!

When will Pondexter be back?

Conley / Bayless / Wroten
Allen / Pondexter
Prince / Daye
Randolph / Arthur
Gasol / Davis

The bench looks good. They will regret trading Ellington though

[imdaman99]

ive always thought prince was a great system defensive player. he hasnt been able to stop too many ppl since the wallaces were no longer around him. ben and rasheed were defensive beasts in that system.

[zac]

That should be sweet for the Grizzlies. He will have plenty of open looks!

When will Pondexter be back?

Conley / Bayless / Wroten
Allen / Pondexter
Prince / Daye
Randolph / Arthur
Gasol / Davis

The bench looks good. They will regret trading Ellington though
There hasn't been an official date but I'm guessing Pondexter will be back after All Star Break. Chris Johnson from the d-league (6'6" rookie G/F out of Dayton) is the Ellington replacement. The front office knew what it was doing, they got him for nothing. At one point like a week before he was traded Ellington had made 35 3s for the grizzlies and 13 came in 2 games. He was very inconsistent and not a good defender and has a slow release. Chris Johnson. Has better size, athleticism, is a better defender, and has a quick lefty release and shoots with all the confidence in the world. He produces what Ellington does in way less minutes and on a super cheap contract. Total Hollinger move.

[tmacattack33]

Maybe. It definitely gives them more of an identity now though and they should be more entertaining to watch because of it.

[bdreason]

Playoffs aren't about depth. Grizzlies just became a worse playoff team.

[Derivative]

Playoffs aren't about depth. Grizzlies just became a worse playoff team.

grizzlies's starting lineup become better

[Celtic_Pride]

Playoffs aren't about depth. Grizzlies just became a worse playoff team.

How?

Grizzlies won more playoff games w/o Gay than with him in the lineup. They have a very good chance of taking anyone out in the WCF.

[bdreason]

Prince is 33 years old and borderline washed up. Anyone who thinks he's an upgrade over Gay is delirious.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Grizzlies win this trade, easily.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

why are you posting about the grizzlies in the Lakers' forum?

[ganja0710]

Are they playing tomorrow in OKC?

[andremiller07]

why are you posting about the grizzlies in the Lakers' forum?
lmao future repped

[Clutch]

why are you posting about the grizzlies in the Lakers' forum?
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[chains5000]

Prince is 33 years old and borderline washed up. Anyone who thinks he's an upgrade over Gay is delirious.
Agreed.
Memphis had trouble scoring, with Gay, and it's gonna get worse now.

[senelcoolidge]

I know some people don't believe in depth in the playoffs, but you need a bench. Having something else to fall back on helps. But I don't think the Grizzlies have really improved much at all. We'll have to give them some time to familiarize themselves. But they still have the same issues they had before. But they have a deeper bench.

[GoldMedallist]

Really bad trade for Memphis.

Last game is a good example. Z-Bo failed and Memphis won because great matches by the 2 G's. With Gay gone, Z-Bo and Marc Gasol should play 40 minutes per game to win games, and would get absolutely exhausted in the playoffs.

Not that Prince is a bad player, but they needed a 3pt threat, and the did not get it.

[SilkkTheShocker]

They didn't get better. They just got cheaper.

[Blue&Orange]

Prince is a corpse on defense.

I like Ed Davis though, i was impressed with him in the raptors games i saw. Grizzlies gameplan is probably going to be to pound the ball inside as possible, Davis and prince are two good pickups for that, Davis will be a great backup for Gasol and Z-Bo, and Prince is one of the best post up players on the league.

[andremiller07]

I honestly think a healthy Quincy Pondexter at this point is better than Prince in the same number of minutes played I wouldn't mind seeing Prince come off the bench.

I wonder if the Ed Davis aquasition could mean they might even move Z-Bo for younger talented pieces at the SG/SF spots?

[zac]

Everyone weighing in on this thread saying Memphis got worse because of it or that they have trouble scoring,modest watch the Grizzlies much. The ball stops in Rudy's hands because he loves going ISO and settles for jump shots. Also Conley has been out the last two games so you can't count Z-Bo's numbers those games as an indicator of how this team works, Conley is in the driver seat of this team and knows when to get everyone involved.

Of course Gay is a way more talented player than Prince one on one, its never been about that, it's about what will fit in the system better. Not the Grizzlies get a playoff tested SF with a ton of experience who doesn't become a ball stopper and has a high BBIQ, an athletic PF/C (who likes to play in the post) to pair with Darrell Arthur (who likes to stretch the floor) off the bench to make the game more uptempo and then got a 6'11" F that can shoot 3s and space the floor. Add Prince shooting a careers best 3pt%, Chris Johnson, Quincy Pondexter, Conley, and Bayless all being able to shoot 3s and it opens things up a ton. The only guards who can't shoot on this team are Tony Allen and Tony Wroten but are both athletic freaks that get to the rim and defensive hounds. This trade is a perfect for for what Memphis needs. I've watched 80% of the games every year since OJs rookie season, trust me, this makes sense for the team.

[AussieG]

It could turn out to be a good thing. Need to wait and see.

Lots of people like to bash Rudy Gay but one thing he did provide.. other than athleticism and dunks.. was clutch shooting.. not spot up shooting.. but clutch shooting no matter what the defense does. He could get his shot off against anyone and hit quite a few as well.

A lot of people say Memphis didn't have a go to guy or a closer.. but they did in Gay.. and now he's gone.

That's going to be hard to replace.. it's a harder choice who gets that shot now.. because Memphis doesn't have many selfish iso type players that can always get their shot off. For 3 and a half quarters they might be better or more balanced.. but it will be harder in the clutch. I guess it comes down to Conley, Marc or Z-Bo to make a play but all of them can't get their shot off in the teeth of a double team like Rudy Gay could.

[miles berg]

Grizzlies became a legit contender with this trade.

Great deal for Memphis.

[NLZ]

Bryan Colangelo :facepalm, the guy probably thinks Rudy Gay is still referred to as Kevin Durant-lite.

[Shepseskaf]

Of course Gay is a way more talented player than Prince one on one, its never been about that, it's about what will fit in the system better.
+1

This is what some people are missing. The Grizz could very well end up winning the 'chip with this move.

Gay was too inconsistent, didn't really mesh with the team, and was often a momentum killer.

[SacJB Shady]

Oh man I love the irony... Grizzlies absolutely get screwed in the butt and to make matters feel better grizzlies fans flip the situation around and instead of dwelling, they tell themselves that things are better, much better. This is just like the Lakers saying the season just started. Just shut up.

[Mr. NBA]

Oh man I love the irony... Grizzlies absolutely get screwed in the butt and to make matters feel better grizzlies fans flip the situation around and instead of dwelling, they tell themselves that things are better, much better. This is just like the Lakers saying the season just started. Just shut up.
Yea, Im trying to tell my self its better but I still cant accept that right now. They need to hurry up and play a dam game so I can see some real evidence instead of this speculation.

[kurple]

He's shooting 43% from 3 this year! I love this trade because I've always like Davis and Daye too.
you know he wont continue to shoot 43%

[Bigsmoke]

I've always thought the Grizzlies were kind of the Pistons in the 2000s, balanced roster, good defense, very strong front court. The only outlier was Rudy Gay who is too inconsistent to be a leader.

Now that Rudy Gay has been replaced by Tayshaun Prince, this Grizzlies team got someone who has experience and can instantly fill in this balanced offense, defense focused team.

plus they got ed davis comming off the bench

but a lot worse.

[goldenryan]

What's not to like? He has fundamentals,plays defense and can hit threes. And costs half the amount of Gay.

[SacJB Shady]

What's not to like? He has fundamentals,plays defense and can hit threes. And costs half the amount of Gay.


But he's not Gay... He's not even close to gay.

[SilkkTheShocker]

The Grizzlies got raped in this trade, plain and simple. Cheap a.ss franchise.

[zac]

What's not to like? He has fundamentals,plays defense and can hit threes. And costs half the amount of Gay.
Rudy Makes $16mil this year, Prince makes $6mil so it's closer to 1/3 of what Gay makes. Rudy's deal also goes up the last two years to more like $18 and 19mil as well. Plus the Grizzlies have a huge $7.5mil trade exception now that could come into play, plus the trade exceptions they got from the Cavs deal.

Again, it's all about efficiency. This trade forces the Grizzlies to run through Randolph and Gasol, like they need to (the advanced metrics prove they are a better team when they do this), and they can make up Rudy's 17ppg by committee easily while saving a ton of money and surrounding the best front court (Randolph, Gasol, Arthur, Davis) in the league with shooters and slashers, not ball dominant guys who love running isolation plays. It just makes sense. Again, compare this to the 2011 team that shocked everyone:

Then------Now
Conley=Conley (better shooter now though)
Allen=Allen
Battier<Prince (especially at scoring)
Randolph>Randolph (all star both these years)
Gasol<Gasol

Vasquez<Bayless, Wroten
OJ Mayo>Chris Johnson
Sam Young< Quincy Pondexter
Darrell Arthur=Darrell Arthur
Leon Powe<<<<Ed Davis

[Bandito]

Once Prince gert used to the system they could be good. what they needed is a role player who can defend , shoot threes and bring so much needed leadership and great example of a championship experience.

[Grinder]

There hasn't been an official date but I'm guessing Pondexter will be back after All Star Break. Chris Johnson from the d-league (6'6" rookie G/F out of Dayton) is the Ellington replacement. The front office knew what it was doing, they got him for nothing. At one point like a week before he was traded Ellington had made 35 3s for the grizzlies and 13 came in 2 games. He was very inconsistent and not a good defender and has a slow release. Chris Johnson. Has better size, athleticism, is a better defender, and has a quick lefty release and shoots with all the confidence in the world. He produces what Ellington does in way less minutes and on a super cheap contract. Total Hollinger move.

I've been really impressed with Chris Johnson. It's only been a few games but he looks like he belongs in the rotation which isn't easy to do on a 10 day contract on a top team. It's hard to believe he was undrafted with that athleticism and shooting ability. The Griz should definitely sign him for the rest of the season.

I think Prince is an amazing fit for the Griz. Pairing him with Tony Allen will make for one of the most feared perimeter defenses in the league and allow them to play a grind it out pace which suits their roster.

[Rysio]

Tayshaun "The Prison Guard" Prince is a great defensive player.
yea 10 years ago. :sleeping

[zac]

I've been really impressed with Chris Johnson. It's only been a few games but he looks like he belongs in the rotation which isn't easy to do on a 10 day contract on a top team. It's hard to believe he was undrafted with that athleticism and shooting ability. The Griz should definitely sign him for the rest of the season.

I think Prince is an amazing fit for the Griz. Pairing him with Tony Allen will make for one of the most feared perimeter defenses in the league and allow them to play a grind it out pace which suits their roster.
I've been very impressed with him. They have to decide by Friday to give him another 10 day or not. Jason Levien (CEO) said they will be deciding that soon. They like him alot though, they will probably do the 2nd 10 day just to keep the roster flexible and then go from there at the end of the 2nd 10 day. I hope he sticks though, you can always use athletic wings that can shoot 3s and he'd be super cheap.

[ncrizzle]

I have supported Rudy in the past, but this trade does make sense. We have the worst 4th quarter offense in the league. In times where we win in 4th quarter, zbo has taken the load. When we lose, Rudy takes twice as many shots as zbo and more than zbo and Marc combined. I've been waiting for Rudy to blossom, but it's just a pipe dream. He can create his own shot, but it doesn't matter if the shot he's creating doesn't go in. Prince fits the system and Davis solidifies us as the best 4 man big man rotation. All we are losing is an inefficient 17ppg 6rbds and lackluster defense, all while saving money for now and the future. He was going to be traded by next year anyway. He has more value with 2-3 seasons for another team as opposed to one year and a player option next year. We will now be forced to feed Marc and zach more

As stated as well we have a 7.5million trade exception. We also have $ to resign TA and other options in the summer.

[SilkkTheShocker]

When can we expect the Grizzlies to trade Gasol for Alonzo Gee and Tyler Zeller?

[gasolina]

A lot of people don't udnerstand the small market situation.

Anybody seen the latest forbes report? After posting probably the best 2 seasons of their existence, the Grizz churned a $25M loss. Think about that for a bit.

Gay was going to get traded for money purposes. The only thing that would've prevented it was maybe getting a new owner, or winning a championship.

The Speights trade actually gave me hope that the FO is giving this group at least a chance this year to make a run. Unfortunately things don't always fall into place.

[boozehound]

He's shooting 43% from 3 this year! I love this trade because I've always like Davis and Daye too.
whats he shooting on long 2 pointers? From my eye (having watched all but one or two pistons games this year) his shot looks pretty bad. Hes postups against smaller players and wideopen 3s are about all he does effectively.

[gasolina]

We really need another playmaker on the team. Mayo would have looked good next to Prince

[senelcoolidge]

This will make it so much easier for the Clippers when they send the Grizzlies packing after 4 in the playoffs. They will probably be a lottery team in 2 years.

[mattvNJ]

with trade exceptions(one for nearly 8 mill and one from the cavs) im not too mad they shed rudy gay's contract. I feel like most people on here havent even watched him play. HIs shooting is horrendous this year, he stops the balls, and is greedy sometimes when he should be feeding our two work horses in the paint. He just doesnt fit there. Hes a nice talent, but hes not gonna get much better and is overpaid and as a small market the grizz cannot pay that contract and not be winning in the playoffs in the short run.

With prince we have improved our defense, ed davis is a great prospect who has already begun producing. Im not mad i think it makes us stronger once they mesh aslong as he keeps hitting those threes and pondexter comes back. Well be alright :rockon:

[ncrizzle]

This will make it so much easier for the Clippers when they send the Grizzlies packing after 4 in the playoffs. They will probably be a lottery team in 2 years.
You are obviously not a golfer. This trade was more of a longterm decision than a short term decision.

[boozehound]

with trade exceptions(one for nearly 8 mill and one from the cavs) im not too mad they shed rudy gay's contract. I feel like most people on here havent even watched him play. HIs shooting is horrendous this year, he stops the balls, and is greedy sometimes when he should be feeding our two work horses in the paint. He just doesnt fit there. Hes a nice talent, but hes not gonna get much better and is overpaid and as a small market the grizz cannot pay that contract and not be winning in the playoffs in the short run.

With prince we have improved our defense, ed davis is a great prospect who has already begun producing. Im not mad i think it makes us stronger once they mesh aslong as he keeps hitting those threes and pondexter comes back. Well be alright :rockon:
I honestly think Daye will play a nice role on this team. Very solid outside shot and a much harder worker on D than given credit for. Also, a better rebounder than tay. I expect Tay will start, but he will have a role.

[AussieG]

Oh man I love the irony... Grizzlies absolutely get screwed in the butt and to make matters feel better grizzlies fans flip the situation around and instead of dwelling, they tell themselves that things are better, much better. This is just like the Lakers saying the season just started. Just shut up.
Just like they did after the 'Kwame for Pau' trade that also in the end.. netted them Z-Bo (cap space) AND Marc Gasol. And then they went on to beat the Spurs and have more success than they ever did with Pau. Not only winning a playoff game but almost winning two series.. taking the Thunder to 7 games.

Definately flipping it around.

[brandonislegend]

Oh man I love the irony... Grizzlies absolutely get screwed in the butt and to make matters feel better grizzlies fans flip the situation around and instead of dwelling, they tell themselves that things are better, much better. This is just like the Lakers saying the season just started. Just shut up.

:facepalm

[SacJB Shady]

with trade exceptions(one for nearly 8 mill and one from the cavs) im not too mad they shed rudy gay's contract. I feel like most people on here havent even watched him play. HIs shooting is horrendous this year, he stops the balls, and is greedy sometimes when he should be feeding our two work horses in the paint. He just doesnt fit there. Hes a nice talent, but hes not gonna get much better and is overpaid and as a small market the grizz cannot pay that contract and not be winning in the playoffs in the short run.

With prince we have improved our defense, ed davis is a great prospect who has already begun producing. Im not mad i think it makes us stronger once they mesh aslong as he keeps hitting those threes and pondexter comes back. Well be alright :rockon:


Naw I don't agree. I agree that he is been on and off this year. But this is similar to Pau Gasol's situation in a small sense. In the sense that a player is not performing because there is constant trade rumors all year long. Rudy Gay's shot may be a little off this year, but history suggests that he normally is better than this and will get it going again in the playoffs. You can't compare Rudy to Prince or vice versa. I do think they may be better in terms of the talent/money ratio, but they are still not a better team.

Having said that I have seen some strange things happen in the NBA. I have seen the Rockets win about 20 games without their big man Yao Ming. I have seen the Lakers crumble with 4 hall of famers. So with all that, I will admit that there is a chance that the Grizzlies could play at even higher level due to subtraction. But until that happens on a consistent basis, I would say the odds are low. Rudy Gay is a proficient player and I felt that he really is part of the reason Memphis is so tough. It takes more than 2 really good front court players. Rudy Gay was their 3rd front court player and a dam good one.

[chazzy]

I'm interested in seeing how Zbo and Gasol handle the increased offensive load - they looked great together in the 2011 playoffs. Gay was incredibly inefficient and their offense was really bad when he was on the court. Gasol is a great facilitator so more high low's will be a good thing.

[SacJB Shady]

Just like they did after the 'Kwame for Pau' trade that also in the end.. netted them Z-Bo (cap space) AND Marc Gasol. And then they went on to beat the Spurs and have more success than they ever did with Pau. Not only winning a playoff game but almost winning two series.. taking the Thunder to 7 games.

Definately flipping it around.


But remember, it was a total team effort. Rudy Gay was a huge part of that success.

[ThickassGlasses]

Strong overrating of Prince in this thread.

[brandonislegend]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EGMtbucFD0

I will never forget this

[ThickassGlasses]

Yes. but if I was a Memphis fan, I would hope for the best and try to give Prince a lot of credit. There is no other option, the team couldn't keep rudy.

The problem isn't getting rid of Gay, it's that I find it extremely hard to believe there was a not a better offer available.

[Haymaker]

Prince will gel quickly with the team. He's consistently solid and is a great locker room guy. Brings experience and defense. Gay is talented but unreliable. He was the west's Danny Granger.

[mattvNJ]

Prince will gel quickly with the team. He's consistently solid and is a great locker room guy. Brings experience and defense. Gay is talented but unreliable. He was the west's Danny Granger.

excactly, Prince is going to bring in another defensive beast to aid allen. Hes always consistent something rudy couldnt dream of. For that type of money he should be putting up more than 17 ppg on better consistency. .400% this year? I mean i love rudy and think he did bring a unique dynamic to the team with his atheleticism i just feel this was a good move for better or worse i wish we got pierce tho. Prince and Davis and Daye will be just fine though filling out our roster making it competitive at all angles and freeing up zbo and marc to ancor our offense more.

[SilkkTheShocker]

LOL at anyone that thinks Memphis got better. They are going to drop in the rankings because they have a cheap f.uck owner that doesn't care about winning

[ZeN]

LOL at anyone that thinks Memphis got better. They are going to drop in the rankings because they have a cheap f.uck owner that doesn't care about winning
Them having a cheap owner automatically means that the moves they made wont work out?

[boozehound]

But remember, it was a total team effort. Rudy Gay was a huge part of that success.
explain why they did just as well without him the one year.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Them having a cheap owner automatically means that the moves they made wont work out?

You aren't going to get far without a dynamic perimeter player/threat in the playoffs. Say what you want about Gay's efficiency, they were going to need him if they even wanted a shot at beating OKC, Clippers, etc. They have no shot now.

[boozehound]

excactly, Prince is going to bring in another defensive beast to aid allen. Hes always consistent something rudy couldnt dream of. For that type of money he should be putting up more than 17 ppg on better consistency. .400% this year? I mean i love rudy and think he did bring a unique dynamic to the team with his atheleticism i just feel this was a good move for better or worse i wish we got pierce tho. Prince and Davis and Daye will be just fine though filling out our roster making it competitive at all angles and freeing up zbo and marc to ancor our offense more.
prince is not that great of a defender. dude gets beat by strength and speed.

[Haymaker]

LOL at anyone that thinks Memphis got better. They are going to drop in the rankings because they have a cheap f.uck owner that doesn't care about winning

Memphis went deep in the playoffs (WCF) without Gay. They got eliminated in the first round last season, with Gay.

[hoopaddict08]

Memphis fans I wish you the best of luck but Prince is being extremely overrated.

As a Piston fan I'm so glad he is gone. His defense is average at best.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Memphis went deep in the playoffs (WCF) without Gay. They got eliminated in the first round last season, with Gay.

No perimeter threat-no title. They are a fringe 2nd round team at best now.

[xhuegox]

is Prince playing tonight against OKC?

[Doctor Rivers]

lmao future repped

you're really not going to rep him you liar

[ZeN]

is Prince playing tonight against OKC?
They are currently not planning on playing him tonight.

[ThickassGlasses]

excactly, Prince is going to bring in another defensive beast to aid allen. Hes always consistent something rudy couldnt dream of. For that type of money he should be putting up more than 17 ppg on better consistency. .400% this year? I mean i love rudy and think he did bring a unique dynamic to the team with his atheleticism i just feel this was a good move for better or worse i wish we got pierce tho. Prince and Davis and Daye will be just fine though filling out our roster making it competitive at all angles and freeing up zbo and marc to ancor our offense more.

Prince is not a good defender anymore, let a lone a beast. Hence, the overrating of him going on.

He is good for his experience and spot up shooting, but it's not as if he is some automatic knock down three point shooter either. Nor is Daye who has been a huge disappointment, IMO, in the NBA.

Shedding salary, and getting rid of Gay all make sense.. I just don't understand why some people, especially Memphis fans, are talking up these 3 players who belong on a bench with only Ed Davis being capable of being a good 6th man so much. Davis will be splitting time with Arthur as a backup PF/C.


Obviously we have to see how the teams fits together, but you can not honestly think Memphis looks better now on paper than they did 3 weeks ago before both trades. Again, I get the salary dump, but for Prince, Davis, and Daye? Really?

[mattvNJ]

Prince is not a good defender anymore, let a lone a beast. Hence, the overrating of him going on.

He is good for his experience and spot up shooting, but it's not as if he is some automatic knock down three point shooter either. Nor is Daye who has been a huge disappointment, IMO, in the NBA.

Shedding salary, and getting rid of Gay all make sense.. I just don't understand why some people, especially Memphis fans, are talking up these 3 players who belong on a bench with only Ed Davis being capable of being a good 6th man so much. Davis will be splitting time with Arthur as a backup PF/C.


Obviously we have to see how the teams fits together, but you can not honestly think Memphis looks better now on paper than they did 3 weeks ago before both trades. Again, I get the salary dump, but for Prince, Davis, and Daye? Really?

All im saying is yes on paper they do not look as good bc rudy is glorified to an extent in todays league for his high light plays and occasional big nights. But if you WATCH all their games like most of the grizz fans do this isnt a huge loss especially with the financial gains. Rudy is streaky, although i do agree the players were picked up werent ideal ive been saying pierce would be my favorite pick up, but i am not mad with what theyve done. To the person who said they were a second round exit i agree... unless somethign spectacular happens. But with gay i saw them at the same excact place exitting in the second round

[hoopaddict08]

All im saying is yes on paper they do not look as good bc rudy is glorified to an extent in todays league for his high light plays and occasional big nights. But if you WATCH all their games like most of the grizz fans do this isnt a huge loss especially with the financial gains. Rudy is streaky, although i do agree the players were picked up werent ideal ive been saying pierce would be my favorite pick up, but i am not mad with what theyve done. To the person who said they were a second round exit i agree... unless somethign spectacular happens. But with gay i saw them at the same excact place exitting in the second round

That is probably true. I never cared for Rudy but I feel like Memphis should have tried to get more young talent in return. Davis is the prize for them in this deal but they need to make room for him.

[AussieG]

It's not about if these are individual good players or not.. Prince vs Gay.. of course Gay is a better player. It's about how they fit. For the same reason why Pau or Dwight suck on the Lakers right now. It's not set in stone that Prince will help much.. but there is a chance he can. At least until proven otherwise. I don't know much about Davis.. then again he probably has much more upside than Hadaddi ever did.

[zac]

It's not about if these are individual good players or not.. Prince vs Gay.. of course Gay is a better player. It's about how they fit. For the same reason why Pau or Dwight suck on the Lakers right now. It's not set in stone that Prince will help much.. but there is a chance he can. At least until proven otherwise. I don't know much about Davis.. then again he probably has much more upside than Hadaddi ever did.
I've always thought Ed Davis was a young Jermaine O'neal. Very long and athletic, likes playing in the post, likes blocking shots, has a decent 10ft shot, has a weird hitch in his shot/FT. It's almost uncanny how much he mimics O'neal when you think about it. Perfect fit with Darrell Arthur I think.

[boozehound]

Prince is not a good defender anymore, let a lone a beast. Hence, the overrating of him going on.

He is good for his experience and spot up shooting, but it's not as if he is some automatic knock down three point shooter either. Nor is Daye who has been a huge disappointment, IMO, in the NBA.

Shedding salary, and getting rid of Gay all make sense.. I just don't understand why some people, especially Memphis fans, are talking up these 3 players who belong on a bench with only Ed Davis being capable of being a good 6th man so much. Davis will be splitting time with Arthur as a backup PF/C.


Obviously we have to see how the teams fits together, but you can not honestly think Memphis looks better now on paper than they did 3 weeks ago before both trades. Again, I get the salary dump, but for Prince, Davis, and Daye? Really?
meh, daye has been decent this year. Plays a fairly big bench role and is shooting over 50%? on threes. and has been a capable rebounder. Not a game changer, but I think the three pieces are a decent hall (and all fit their needs) for gay

[Clifton]

Honestly, although I think it's horrible contending teams are giving away players to cut salary, I think the Gay trade was just fine. Rudy Gay is one of those very good players who can't make a team better simply because his his strong points are generic and he's average at all the really important things (defense, passing, shooting, ballhandling). He's been pretty clutch by my observations, but he's simply not a good enough player to be a "go-to guy" in any situation, because of his average ballhandling, average shooting, and average passing.

In the clutch you want the PG handling the ball and working through Gasol and Randolph. Both these players can post up and pass. That puts much more pressure on the defense than a guy who can neither post up nor handle the ball with any real aptitude.

Prince is a better fit, and is a champion. This trade improves the Grizzlies IMO. It gives them someone to guard Durant and Kobe fairly well who won't distract from the team's true core of Gasol and Randolph.

What was abominable was when they gave away their entire bench for nothing. That trade was disgusting. If the Grizzlies don't look like contenders in a week or two, it will be because of the lack of bench, not losing Gay. That bench was better than most and has won them games.

[Fatstogey]

How consistent has Prince been with his outside shot lately?

Conley/Allen/Prince/Randolph/Gasol is probably the best defensive team in the league. With Gay gone, Gasol will probably get more touches which is the best thing for them!
I agree with this. Gasol should be getting more touches. And not that anyone doesnt make mistakes but i think Prince will be less likely to take horrible shots.

[veilside23]

i think if the owner wants to save thats what he did save money. gay maybe irreplaceable just like what others said about harden and martin ... the grizz only needed gay at times when he gets hot or when they need a basket...
prince is not in the same mold anymore but he is still a decent player . they also get daye and ed davis which is somewhat equates this or makes it better in the long run.

rudy gay is good sf but wont even reach the level of a guy like butler in his glory days...

[zac]

:applause: :bowdown: :applause:

[AussieG]

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[d.bball.guy]

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Vintage Tayshaun :bowdown: :bowdown:

[ClutchOver9000]

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Prince' EX/Super meter was all charged up :lol

Pulled a page out of Lebron's book w/ his own rendition of "no-regard-for-human-life"

[bdreason]

Not the first time I've been wrong... and it surely won't be the last.


Although, I still question whether or not the Grizz get past OKC if Westbrook doesn't go down. That would have them losing in the same round they lost in last season.

[leopoldstotch]

I admit.... I was wrong about the Rudy Gay trade (thought it was bad). I was wrong about the Wayne Ellington trade (thought it was bad).

Clearly Wallace and Hollinger know what they are doing, and we're just armrchair quarterbacks making fun of them. :(

Congrats to the grizz! Spurs say bring it, because it's going to be a battle.

[Fallen Angel]

Not the first time I've been wrong... and it surely won't be the last.


Although, I still question whether or not the Grizz get past OKC if Westbrook doesn't go down. That would have them losing in the same round they lost in last season.

they lost in the first round last year

[HorryIsMyMVP]

Rudy Gay doesn't play much defense and he jack up 30 shots a game and makes 8. I would say yeah the Grizzlies got better and Prince fits in and has been playing very well. Not sure where Gay fits in. I guess Toronto is good for him he can show off some bad shots and no one cares when they lose.

[KG215]

Not the first time I've been wrong... and it surely won't be the last.


Although, I still question whether or not the Grizz get past OKC if Westbrook doesn't go down. That would have them losing in the same round they lost in last season.
They lost in the 1st round last year to the Clippers. They lost to OKC in the second round in 2011. They didn't have Gay then, either, and Randolph went off.

[bdreason]

ahhh that's right. Like I said, not the last time I'll be wrong. :oldlol:

[Legends66NBA7]

I guess Toronto is good for him he can show off some bad shots and no one cares when they lose.

:coleman:

[Jackass18]

Well, he is sucking ass offensively.