Is Tyson Chandler a bust?

[jalbert009]

He was drafted No. 2 overall in the 2001 draft. His career averages are

8.7ppg
9.0rpg
1.5bpg

I know he has recently rejuvenated his career and made the all star team some how this season averaging 12/11 and won DPOY last year.

What do you make of Tyson Chandler? Bust or not?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

not a bust imo.

[brandonislegend]

He is a defensive anchor of a championship team, defensive player of the year, starter of USA team, what do you think?

[Graviton]

Not every draft can have Lebron/Wade/Melo, hell most of them nowadays don't have as much talent as they used to.

This whole "bust" shit is getting out of hand, every #1-2 pick that isn't some Top 25 GOAT talent is labeled a bust for some reason.

[jalbert009]

He is a defensive anchor of a championship team, defensive player of the year, starter of USA team, what do you think?

Yes but he was non existent for the first 10 years of his career. People are quick to label players drafted in the lottery a bust after the first 2-4 years of their career. If you only look at Chandlers first 10 years i'd say he was a bust but if you look at the last 2 years he was a decent player so that is why i started this discussion.

[ganja0710]

Have you seen that '01 draft pool? Probably one of the worst drafts in history.

[brandonislegend]

Yes but he was non existent for the first 10 years of his career. People are quick to label players drafted in the lottery a bust after the first 2-4 years of their career. If you only look at Chandlers first 10 years i'd say he was a bust but if you look at the last 2 years he was a decent player so that is why i started this discussion.

He wasn't non existent, he was solid.

[jalbert009]

Have you seen that '01 draft pool? Probably one of the worst drafts in history.

Chandler
Gasol
Parker
G.Wallace
J.Johnson
R.Jefferson
J.Richardson
Zach Randolph
Shane Battier

Some good players in this draft.

[9512]

Chandler
Gasol
Parker
G.Wallace
J.Johnson
R.Jefferson
J.Richardson
Zach Randolph
Shane Battier

Some good players in this draft.

And don't forget Gilbert Arenas (even though he's a loose cannon)

[RoundMoundOfReb]

And don't forget Gilbert Arenas (even though he's a loose cannon)
pun intended? :lol

[andremiller07]

And don't forget Gilbert Arenas (even though he's a loose cannon)

You mean loose gun

[9512]

If Tyson Chandler is a bust, then what would Kwame be called?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

If Tyson Chandler is a bust, then what would Kwame be called?
the GOAT

[jalbert009]

He wasn't non existent, he was solid.

ok, lets say he was solid, but his numbers in his first 10 years dont reflect a #2 picks numbers. I am not hating on Chandler but if I asked you 3 years ago if he was a bust you wouldn't hesitate to say yes.

[andremiller07]

ok, lets say he was solid, but his numbers in his first 10 years dont reflect a #2 picks numbers. I am not hating on Chandler but if I asked you 3 years ago if he was a bust you wouldn't hesitate to say yes.

Numbers tell only 1/2 of the story and simple defining his whole career on numbers is dumb as hell.

[brandonislegend]

ok, lets say he was solid, but his numbers in his first 10 years dont reflect a #2 picks numbers. I am not hating on Chandler but if I asked you 3 years ago if he was a bust you wouldn't hesitate to say yes.

He is one of the best man to man defenders in the league, and man to man defense doesn't give you statistics, similar to avery bradley, doesn't get many steals because he plays solid defense so you can't see it on a stats sheet, you have to watch the games to see the impact.

[mjokc]

This has to be one of the dumbest threads I've read on any website.

[niko]

OP is a ****ing moron. He's an all star. Are we kidding?

[Bandito]

Not every draft can have Lebron/Wade/Melo, hell most of them nowadays don't have as much talent as they used to.

This whole "bust" shit is getting out of hand, every #1-2 pick that isn't some Top 25 GOAT talent is labeled a bust for some reason.
qft.

Bust could be someone that didn't pan out due to suckage. I would cosider Olowakandi a bust but it could be argued that he wasn't. It depends on the case, a guy that was chosen as a lottery pick but has average less than 10 minutes on garbage minutes now that is considered a bust. Kwame was severely overrated but he has been a solid role player.

[Bandito]

ok, lets say he was solid, but his numbers in his first 10 years dont reflect a #2 picks numbers. I am not hating on Chandler but if I asked you 3 years ago if he was a bust you wouldn't hesitate to say yes.
He was injured most of the time though...

[SilkkTheShocker]

He is obviously no Eddy Curry

[Papaya Petee]

1x DPOY
1x All Star
1x NBA Champ
1x Gold Medal

Granted he accomplished all that, but I don't really want to give him as much credit as I should.

He won DPOY cause Howard was injured and nobody else on that team was that good defensively.

He is an All-Star because Bynum is injured and the East centers BLOW. Doesn't make him All-Star material.

He's an NBA Champ because Dirk Nowitzki went ape shit and LeBron James chocked.

And he was probably the worst player on that Gold Medal team, once again made the team because of Dwight Howards injury.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

I don't think it's a ridiculous question at all. Is Emeka Okafor a bust? 12/10 career averages, always played on bad teams. If he "gets it" and becomes the defensive anchor on a contender, does that excuse the 9 years of "meh" he's served up so far?

[knickballer]

I don't think it's a ridiculous question at all. Is Emeka Okafor a bust? 12/10 career averages, always played on bad teams. If he "gets it" and becomes the defensive anchor on a contender, does that excuse the 9 years of "meh" he's served up so far?

If he wins a Championship, a DPOY, gold medal, etc, then I'd say he lived up to his expectations.

Besides Dwight in the 2004 NBA draft there weren't many noteworthy selections.

[2LeTTeRS]

He is an All-Star because Bynum is injured and the East centers BLOW. Doesn't make him All-Star material.

Not even going to address your other points, because tired of rehashing old arguments. But answer this -- If he only made it because the centers in his conference suck, then why were 5 centers in the Eastern conference selected as all-stars?

[irondarts]

He's not a bust. But everyone ripping OP for asking the question is stupid.

Tyson Chandler was an incredibly disappointing player for the first 9 years of his career. He's completely turned his career around in the last 3 years, which is awesome. But he was awful during his year with the Bobcats, and his career could have gone either way, luckily he went to the Mavs and he has turned into an all star. But let's not act like he wasn't a complete disappointment for 9 of his 12 years in his career.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

He's not a bust. But everyone ripping OP for asking the question is stupid.

Tyson Chandler was an incredibly disappointing player for the first 9 years of his career. He's completely turned his career around in the last 3 years, which is awesome. But he was awful during his year with the Bobcats, and his career could have gone either way, luckily he went to the Mavs and he has turned into an all star. But let's not act like he wasn't a complete disappointment for 9 of his 12 years in his career.

I think it depends on your opinion of a bust. If a #2 draft pick doesn't last the 7 years with the team who drafted him, I'd say most of the time that's a bust (the exception being when they team has got significantly better by trading him - rather than signing someone to play their position, like Chandler with Ben Wallace).

[Pointguard]

He's not a bust. But everyone ripping OP for asking the question is stupid.

Tyson Chandler was an incredibly disappointing player for the first 9 years of his career. He's completely turned his career around in the last 3 years, which is awesome. But he was awful during his year with the Bobcats, and his career could have gone either way, luckily he went to the Mavs and he has turned into an all star. But let's not act like he wasn't a complete disappointment for 9 of his 12 years in his career.

Nah, if he went to Detroit in his second year he would have had his accolades much sooner and his leadership qualities in place. Luck is how you look at it. In New Orleans he was first seen as being a key player. He was always known as a top defensive player. He was always a top five defensive center after his 5th year. He was unlucky in that no ream really used him right in pick n roles or knew how he could anchor a defense. Dallas got a championship out of the deal and in no way do they do it without him.

Even in hindsight he would still be a second pick in most cases and probably the first in a lot of cases - that kind of ruins the argument overall. Now if you did it by his first nine years - I would have picked Joe Johnson, Parker and Gasol if I was an offense oriented team. But you can't say TMac was a bust after his ninth year. You talk about the whole package or you don't talk about him. Tyson is the only guy in that draft that could change the whole persona of a team and be any type of anchor.

[Cali Syndicate]

Centers drafted in the top 10 in 2001.

Kwame Brown
Tyson Chandler
Eddie Curry
Desagana Diop

It's safe to say Tyson has had a very nice career so far. Late bloomer, diamond in the rough.

[imdaman99]

1x DPOY
1x All Star
1x NBA Champ
1x Gold Medal

Granted he accomplished all that, but I don't really want to give him as much credit as I should.

He won DPOY cause Howard was injured and nobody else on that team was that good defensively.

He is an All-Star because Bynum is injured and the East centers BLOW. Doesn't make him All-Star material.

He's an NBA Champ because Dirk Nowitzki went ape shit and LeBron James chocked.

And he was probably the worst player on that Gold Medal team, once again made the team because of Dwight Howards injury.
Some of your points are valid. But I think he was what put the Mavericks over the top. They turned into a great defensive team once he got there. Dirk has gone nuts before, but he always fell short. Look at how flat they looked once he left. The Mavericks got swept. Dirk didn't look so good. He was a BIG reason why the Mavericks won it all. Kidd was there earlier but they still lost in the 1st round the year before. Chandler turned them into a LEGIT playoff team.

So NO he is not an NBA Champ because Dirk went ape shit and Lebron choked.
Dirk is an NBA Champ in large part because Chandler manned the middle.

[kNicKz]

They see me rollin

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they haaaatin

[eliteballer]

People act like every year the top 5 picks should be franchise players and the top 10 at least all-stars...

Well, that's not reality. There simply isn't that kind of talent to go around. People need to adjust expectations.

He's not a bust. He's arguably the best defensive center in the L and gets you double digit boards. Thats extremely valuable.

[HurricaneKid]

This thread and those like it are why I don't come here as much any more. If you think you need to be a scorer to be a player you are dumb. From his 4th season (when he was 22) until now he has been in the top 25 in the league in RAPM every year (except for 2 injury plagued seasons). He has led the league in TS% the last three seasons.

http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/

He is, literally, among the best role players ever. He was a huge part of the Hornets surge to the 2 seed in the incredibly tough West. He was the defensive anchor for the NBA Champions and a big reason why LeBron couldn't get into the lane. He turned the Knicks into a defensive juggernaut.

[Doranku]

If Chandler is a bust, what does that make Beasley? :wtf:

[ILLsmak]

This has to be one of the dumbest threads I've read on any website.

how long u been on the internet

-Smak

[Smoke117]

He is a defensive anchor of a championship team, defensive player of the year, starter of USA team, what do you think?

Tyson Chandler is no defensive anchor and he never deserved the dpoy. If he was this bit shit defensive anchor the Knick's wouldn't be rated in the latter half in the league defensively.

[kentatm]

No he isn't a bust and the fact that the op even started this thread means he doesn't understand what the term bust means.

And anyone that says he isn't a defensive anchor is a blind fool.

[DonDadda59]

The man is a champion (was a big factor in DAL winning, look at them since he left and look at NY especially defensively), reigning DPOY, and was just named an all star. He's currently putting up 12 PPG (while leading the league in FG%), 11 RPG, and is the defensive anchor on a high seed playoff squad.

This is a silly thread.

[Smoke117]

The man is a champion (was a big factor in DAL winning, look at them since he left and look at NY especially defensively), reigning DPOY, and was just named an all star. He's currently putting up 12 PPG (while leading the league in FG%), 11 RPG, and is the defensive anchor on a high seed playoff squad.

This is a silly thread.

A defensive anchor in a team not even in the top 15 teams defensively: :applause: :applause: :applause: fuuuucking impressive.

[Magic bird]

His Impact speaks beyond "Bust"
I don't see any way you can even argue that he WAS a bust.

[DonDadda59]

A defensive anchor in a team not even in the top 15 teams defensively: :applause: :applause: :applause: fuuuucking impressive.

The Knicks have been riddled with injuries all season. They've had like 3 or 4 different starting PFs and their backcourt has been decimated. Just look at what their defense did last year when Chandler won DPOY.

[DMV2]

Chandler
Gasol
Parker
G.Wallace
J.Johnson
R.Jefferson
J.Richardson
Zach Randolph
Shane Battier

Some good players in this draft.
None of those were ever franchise players. So yeah, that was a shitty draft class when you're looking at Top 3 picks to be franchise players. Gasol was close in Memphis but never won a single playoff game there and Randolph was a black hole for much of hid career until the last couple of seasons.

[Trentknicks]

The Knicks have been riddled with injuries all season. They've had like 3 or 4 different starting PFs and their backcourt has been decimated. Just look at what their defense did last year when Chandler won DPOY.
Let's be reasonable, that's a lot to ask of a Knicks hater.

[La Frescobaldi]

The man is a champion (was a big factor in DAL winning, look at them since he left and look at NY especially defensively), reigning DPOY, and was just named an all star. He's currently putting up 12 PPG (while leading the league in FG%), 11 RPG, and is the defensive anchor on a high seed playoff squad.

This is a silly thread.

They blew up the whole Mavs team, Terry gone, Kidd gone, DeShawn is gone, Novak is gone, and lots of others. Dirk knee.

You can't blame Dallas collapse because Tyson Chandler left, by no means.

All-Star means zip. Fans vote for who they like, not who plays, look at Yao Ming for simple proof.

I ain't bashing Tyson, he's one of the best centers in the NBA. But none of what you said is valid reasons except for he's tough D anchor on a playoff squad so far this year.

[Derka]

Sure. Why not? This is ISH, where championship defensive anchors and DPoYs are draft busts.

[upside24]

He was an important part of a championship team so I would say he is not a bust.

[Derka]

Sure. Why not? This is ISH, where championship defensive anchors, Olympic gold medalists and DPoYs are draft busts.

[jimmy77x]

http://i.minus.com/in6cYouHTmHg.gif

[ClutchOver9000]

http://i.minus.com/in6cYouHTmHg.gif

:lol awesome gif. Once a Chandlerkarp. Now a Tysarados :rockon:

[code green]

If Tyson Chandler is a bust, then what would Kwame be called?

The BOAT

[iDunk]

20 rebounds for the first time since 2008.

....

I <3 Tyson Chandler

[jalbert009]

qft.

Bust could be someone that didn't pan out due to suckage. I would cosider Olowakandi a bust but it could be argued that he wasn't. It depends on the case, a guy that was chosen as a lottery pick but has average less than 10 minutes on garbage minutes now that is considered a bust. Kwame was severely overrated but he has been a solid role player.

Yes you could say that they were solid role players but to be drafted as high as they were, wouldn't you say that they were a bust or a huge disappointment? If they were drafted say 16-30 then there wouldn't be any hate towards them.


I don't think it's a ridiculous question at all. Is Emeka Okafor a bust? 12/10 career averages, always played on bad teams. If he "gets it" and becomes the defensive anchor on a contender, does that excuse the 9 years of "meh" he's served up so far?

Thank you. Finally someone who gets what I was thinking. Yes Chandler has achieved so much in the past 3 years but do we just forget about the other 9 years of his career where he didn't live up to the expectations of being a number 2 pick? He didnt even average double digit rebounds until his 6th season or double digit points until his 7th season.


People act like every year the top 5 picks should be franchise players and the top 10 at least all-stars...

Well, that's not reality. There simply isn't that kind of talent to go around. People need to adjust expectations.

He's not a bust. He's arguably the best defensive center in the L and gets you double digit boards. Thats extremely valuable.

You are exactly right. So if a team uses their no. 2 pick on a player who ends up being a role player for the their whole career would you consider them a bust or a disappointment? and btw, Chandler didn't become elite until 3 years ago. How about the 9 years before that? does he get a pass?


If Chandler is a bust, what does that make Beasley? :wtf:

People are labeling Beasley a bust now if I'm not mistaken. If he continues the way he is now and somehow makes the all star team 5 years from now do we forget all of a sudden he was a bust?



Basically the point of this thread really is when do we call someone a bust and I used Chandler's career as an example. IMO i would have called Chandler a Bust up until 3 years ago and thought that he was a waste of a no. 2 pick. Since he joined the Mavs and anchored their defense he changed my perception of him.

[Michael_Wilbon]

20 rebounds in 3 consecutive games. What a god damn bust.

[iDunk]

Tyson Chandler just did something in rebounding for the Knicks that Ewing never did. That's impressive.

[Cladyclad]

No he is not a bust. Tyson was drafted off potential. Alot of those guys were including Kwame, Eddy,& The Kandyman. Gm's had hope they would be good. But someone like Beasley who was expected to be atleast good, just looks likes a decent 6th man. Beasley is the defintion of bust, not Tyson.

[Michael_Wilbon]

No he is not a bust. Tyson was drafted off potential. Alot of those guys were including Kwame, Eddy,& The Kandyman. Gm's had hope they would be good. But someone like Beasley who were expected to be atleast good just likes a decent 6th man. Beasley is the defintion of bust, not Tyson.

:applause: