View Full Version : Note To The Board: Bargnani Sucks - No One Wants Him
Stop with the stupid trade scenarios. The Knicks do not want him. The Lakers do not want him. No one wants him. His mom doesn't like him, even she calls him soft. He is garbage. The Raptors have sucked for what feels like forever, and they want him gone. He is not the solution to the Lakers problems. He is not the solution to the Knick's problems. Teams do not make trades in order to get worse.
HE IS COMPLETE AND UTTER GARBAGE AND NO TEAM IS GOING TO TRADE FOR HIM TO SOLVE THEIR PROBLEMS.
Stop. Anyone who posts anything about Bargnani in a trade or as a solution is a moron.
Beatlezz
02-06-2013, 10:24 AM
MOTHER****ING REPPED! :banghead:
macmac
02-06-2013, 10:28 AM
Give me 1.7 to 1 odds that Bargnani gets traded this season, and ill bet you any amount up to a $1000
Give me 1.7 to 1 odds that Bargnani gets traded this season, and ill bet you any amount up to a $1000
NO.
I didn't say he can't be traded. I said stop talking about it. Do we have Nate Robinson might get traded threads? Maybe Knicks cut Kurt Thomas? Let's make some threads. Maybe i get a bagel today too, should i make a thread?
People make threads about Bargnani like he's a star that might move, he's a garbage player that i could very well see the Raptors shipping off for someone else's garbage. WOW. Let's analyzye that.
macmac
02-06-2013, 10:33 AM
NO.
I didn't say he can't be traded. I said stop talking about it. Do we have Nate Robinson might get traded threads? Maybe Knicks cut Kurt Thomas? Let's make some threads. Maybe i get a bagel today too, should i make a thread?
People make threads about Bargnani like he's a star that might move, he's a garbage player that i could very well see the Raptors shipping off for someone else's garbage. WOW. Let's analyzye that.
Ok so give me 7 to 1 odds that he gets traded to the Lakers. I'm willing to risk up to $400
The Ownage
02-06-2013, 10:34 AM
Are you calling out el gringos? :lol
Ok so give me 7 to 1 odds that he gets traded to the Lakers. I'm willing to risk up to $400
I don't gamble period. And if i did i wouldn't with an anonymous person on the internet who likes Bargnani. I shouldn't even speak to you.
plowking
02-06-2013, 10:43 AM
I'd take him on the Heat, he'd solve our rebounding issues...
Heh.
macmac
02-06-2013, 10:47 AM
I don't gamble period. And if i did i wouldn't with an anonymous person on the internet who likes Bargnani. I shouldn't even speak to you.
I'm glad you said no because that was possibly the worst line I would have ever wagered on, the line is more like 30+ to 1....
And where did I say I liked Bargnani?
And you're right you shouldn't even speak to me, because I don't usually have direct contact with simple peons. So consider yourself blessed, make a lil prayer in my name, and offer me your submissive Japanese wife as tribute so that someone can finally rupture her hymen
I'm glad you said no because that was possibly the worst line I would have ever wagered on, the line is more like 30+ to 1....
And where did I say I liked Bargnani?
And you're right you shouldn't even speak to me, because I don't usually have direct contact with simple peons. So consider yourself blessed, make a lil prayer in my name, and offer me your submissive Japanese wife as tribute so that someone can finally rupture her hymen
You insulted my wife because i don't like your Bargnani trade. :facepalm Are you this retarded in real life or do you save this for the internet?
andremiller07
02-06-2013, 11:05 AM
"no one wants him" if no one wanted him no one in the NBA or on the forum would be talking about him.
HE IS COMPLETE AND UTTER GARBAGE AND NO TEAM IS GOING TO TRADE FOR HIM TO SOLVE THEIR PROBLEMS.
Yeah they will he can be part of the solution, 7 Footers who can shoot don't grow on tree's
The Raptors have sucked for what feels like forever, and they want him gone.
Thats only his fault is it? Pretty sure for the most part they sucked when they had Bosh to even tho they made the playoffs in what was the horrible East.
Teams do not make trades in order to get worse.
There is a number of teams that would get better easily with him, just cause it has not worked in one place does not mean hes a lost cause.
What does it say about some of your basketball knowledge that you negged me for dissing Bargnani?
Do Raptor fans really like this guy? What's wrong with you?
JerryWest
02-06-2013, 11:06 AM
I'd take him on the Heat, he'd solve our rebounding issues...
Heh.
more players for lebron to pass too! :banana:
andremiller07
02-06-2013, 11:09 AM
What does it say about some of your basketball knowledge that you negged me for dissing Bargnani?
Do Raptor fans really like this guy? What's wrong with you?
What does it say about your basketball knowledge when you are making this thread based on the fact you don't like him and completely ignoring the fact that he can in fact help a lot of teams.
What does it say about your basketball knowledge when you are making this thread based on the fact you don't like him and completely ignoring the fact that he can in fact help a lot of teams.
How? He makes huge money. He has huge deficiencies. These things don't exist in a vaccum. It's like Amare. Could Amare help a lot of teams? YES. If he made $5MM a year. But he does not.
Who has $10M a year to bring in a 7 foot role player who plays on the perimeter? Who is he helping? And to the point the Lakers would trade Gasol for?
andremiller07
02-06-2013, 11:13 AM
How? He makes huge money. He has huge deficiencies. These things don't exist in a vaccum. It's like Amare. Could Amare help a lot of teams? YES. If he made $5MM a year. But he does not.
Who has $10M a year to bring in a 7 foot role player who plays on the perimeter? Who is he helping? And to the point the Lakers would trade Gasol for?
Lots of players have HUGE deficiecies, no ones saying hes going to live up to the money or hype, Rashad Lewis helped plenty of teams out in Seattle, Orlando and Miami and he was badly overpaid and did pretty much the exact thing AB does. I understand you don't like the guy but come on hes not completely useless to the point where no one cares about him hes not Brian Scalabrine.
If I were the Kings I would trade Jason Thompson and Marcus Thornton for him in a second.
Don't the Lakers have Pau shooting 3s ?
Why couldn't bargiani (SP) fill in that role. It's a small role and there is little to no pressure on him.
Real Men Wear Green
02-06-2013, 11:23 AM
I was hating on Bargs before it was cool. (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=194061)
"no one wants him" if no one wanted him no one in the NBA or on the forum would be talking about him.People still talk about Allen Iverson. Do teams want him? Bargnani is discussed often because he's the most recent #1 pick to develop into a total bust. He's big and he's soft so he gets picked at.
Yeah they will he can be part of the solution, 7 Footers who can shoot don't grow on tree'sThe problem is that 7 footer can't rebound or defend. 2 out of the 3 most important jobs for a big he sucks at. The one dimension he has (scoring ability) he isn't that good at (16 ppg on not-quite 40% shooting) and his team has played better without him.
There is a number of teams that would get better easily with him, just cause it has not worked in one place does not mean hes a lost cause.
There are teams he can probably help (off the bench) but who is going to actively pursue a big that can't rebound or defend and is nothing special as a scorer with a nice 33 mil due (including this season) through 2015, all guaranteed?
andremiller07
02-06-2013, 11:26 AM
I was hating on Bargs before it was cool. (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=194061)People still talk about Allen Iverson. Do teams want him? Bargnani is discussed often because he's the most recent #1 pick to develop into a total bust. He's big and he's soft so he gets picked at.
The problem is that 7 footer can't rebound or defend. 2 out of the 3 most important jobs for a big he sucks at. The one dimension he has (scoring ability) he isn't that good at (16 ppg on not-quite 40% shooting) and his team has played better without him.
There are teams he can probably help (off the bench) but who is going to actively pursue a big that can't rebound or defend and is nothing special as a scorer with a nice 33 mil due (including this season) through 2015, all guaranteed?
If Rashard Lewis can do it there no reason AB can't, I can't see how bringing up AI is relevent and theres other big men in the L that can't rebound, his team is 17-32 so I really don't agree with the whole they are better, they got better now that Rudy Gay is there. I'm not saying the guy is a good player at all but to think no one would be interested in trading him is a joke, like I said bring him to the Kings but you know what theres no way in hell they would trade him for Thompson/Thornton so clearly hes worth something if they have not traded him for trash offers.
Real Men Wear Green
02-06-2013, 11:48 AM
If Rashard Lewis can do it there no reason AB can't, I can't see how bringing up AI is releventI brought up AI to show that you're wrong when you say a player is desired just because he's discussed. Rashard Lewis found a team that wanted him becase he's no longer making max. The only guy they could trade him for at max was a useless Bilbert Arenas who also made max. Bargs is due 33 mil. No one wants to pay him that. After his current deal ends he'll get one or 2 mil and for his level of production that will be acceptable.
and theres other big men in the L that can't rebound,Do they make over 10 mil a year, were they the #1 pick, are they starters and do they also defend poorly?
his team is 17-32 so I really don't agree with the whole they are better, they got better now that Rudy Gay is there. They've had Gay for 2 or 3 games. The record without Bargnani is an improvement and the flaws in Bargs (D, rebounding) give us a strong case for stating his presence doesn't help.
I'm not saying the guy is a good player at all but to think no one would be interested in trading him is a joke,For 10 mil a year a team is expecting to get a good player. If they aren't then they'll only send back someone equally undesirable in return.
like I said bring him to the Kings but you know what theres no way in hell they would trade him for Thompson/Thornton so clearly hes worth something if they have not traded him for trash offers.
We have no idea who they have and haven't been offered. But we know for a fact that he's nowhere near worth 33 mil over 3 seasons.
tomtucker
02-06-2013, 11:56 AM
MOTHER****ING REPPED! :banghead:
YEAH, MOTHER****ING EUROTRASH.......
andremiller07
02-06-2013, 11:57 AM
I brought up AI to show that you're wrong when you say a player is desired just because he's discussed. Rashard Lewis found a team that wanted him becase he's no longer making max. The only guy they could trade him for at max was a useless Bilbert Arenas who also made max. Bargs is due 33 mil. No one wants to pay him that. After his current deal ends he'll get one or 2 mil and for his level of production that will be acceptable.
Do they make over 10 mil a year, were they the #1 pick, are they starters and do they also defend poorly? They've had Gay for 2 or 3 games. The record without Bargnani is an improvement and the flaws in Bargs (D, rebounding) give us a strong case for stating his presence doesn't help. For 10 mil a year a team is expecting to get a good player. If they aren't then they'll only send back someone equally undesirable in return.
We have no idea who they have and haven't been offered. But we know for a fact that he's nowhere near worth 33 mil over 3 seasons.
You make all very good points but still he can help a team out and yeah hes played poorly this season, who knows when he comes back from injury he might be ok again look at at Illyasova who was beyond pathetic and got a massive contract as well, a new coach and hes a new man. You got to look at the things he can do as well not just what hes crap at, he will space the floor, people have to respect him shot. Who cares if he was a number #1 pick all that mean is Toronto made a crap choice, its not his fault he was picked #1 maybe on a good team he would play better we don't know and yeah there would be a team out there willing to risk it.
Rashard Lewis found a team that wanted him becase he's no longer making max.
In Orlando?
I brought up AI to show that you're wrong when you say a player is desired just because he's discussed. There is not a single GM right now is talking about trading/signing for AI as much AB. Thats a bad comparison
tomtucker
02-06-2013, 11:58 AM
****ING PUHNANI.......:mad:
You make all very good points but still he can help a team out and yeah hes played poorly this season, who knows when he comes back from injury he might be ok again look at at Illyasova who was beyond pathetic and got a massive contract as well, a new coach and hes a new man. You got to look at the things he can do as well not just what hes crap at, he will space the floor, people have to respect him shot. Who cares if he was a number #1 pick all that mean is Toronto made a crap choice, its not his fault he was picked #1 maybe on a good team he would play better we don't know and yeah there would be a team out there willing to risk it.
In Orlando?
There is not a single GM right now is talking about trading/signing for AI as much AB. Thats a bad comparison
Who is talking about acquiring Bargnani? Except for this board? What GM is trying to acquire him?
andremiller07
02-06-2013, 12:01 PM
Who is talking about acquiring Bargnani? Except for this board? What GM is trying to acquire him?
Prior to the injury there was a lot of interest and the Raptors GM confirmed it. Whenever there is a OK-Very Good player who is not performing or unhappy (AB is just okay) other GM's are going to have a look/call its just how it goes.
chazzy
02-06-2013, 12:17 PM
Yeah I want nothing to do with him. Makes 0 sense
Droid101
02-06-2013, 12:18 PM
There are teams he can probably help (off the bench) but who is going to actively pursue a big that can't rebound or defend and is nothing special as a scorer Sounds exactly like Matt Bonner, and the Spurs seem okay.
with a nice 33 mil due (including this season) through 2015, all guaranteed?Well, so much for sounding like Matt Bonner.
a brick house shooting tall ass who can't rebound for shit nor defend a lick.
who wants him? :confusedshrug:
JohnnySic
02-06-2013, 01:05 PM
Bargnani would make a fine role player in the Ryan Anderson/Hedo Turkoglu capacity. Its when you think he's more than that that you realize that he "sucks".
Walker
02-06-2013, 01:18 PM
Bargnani would make a fine role player in the Ryan Anderson/Hedo Turkoglu capacity. Its when you think he's more than that that you realize that he "sucks".
Both of them bring way more to the table than Bargnani.
The dude can only shoot, he does literally nothing else on the court.
Anyone considering moving for him must be batshit crazy.
RoundMoundOfReb
02-06-2013, 01:20 PM
i hope somebody is stupid enough to trade for him.
el gringos
02-06-2013, 01:32 PM
Talent evaluation is hard- most sports fans don't have the ability to look past opportunity to see just ability. So Bargnani has shown not to be a #1 option- obviously that means he couldn't be a productive 2nd or 3rd scorer. And yeah playing next to chandler or Dwight wouldn't cover any of those bad rebounding stats
Knicks would get better by acquiring Bargnani and building around Carmelo instead of despite him
Blue&Orange
02-06-2013, 01:40 PM
D'Antoni would come, if told LA traded Gasol for Bargs.
STATUTORY
02-06-2013, 01:52 PM
more players for lebron to pass too! :banana:
:oldlol: so true. Lebron's wet dream is a bunch of shooters to take the shots for him in the 4th and a woman strong enough to hold him.
Talent evaluation is hard- most sports fans don't have the ability to look past opportunity to see just ability. So Bargnani has shown not to be a #1 option- obviously that means he couldn't be a productive 2nd or 3rd scorer. And yeah playing next to chandler or Dwight wouldn't cover any of those bad rebounding stats
Knicks would get better by acquiring Bargnani and building around Carmelo instead of despite him
We have his mini mii, his name is Novak and he makes 1/4 of his money and doesn't have to start at the 4.
I wouldn't necessarily call Andrea a bad defender from what I remember he is actually decent in one on one post situations due to his length. Where he struggles defensively is as a team defender due to lacking a combination of awareness, agility, and foot speed. It is a shame he makes 10 mil because there are a few teams he could help as a 4th or 6th man option.
We have his mini mii, his name is Novak and he makes 1/4 of his money and doesn't have to start at the 4.
also, unlike bargnani, novak is actually deadly and drops bombs when it counts.
MetsPackers
02-06-2013, 02:17 PM
I think Bargs sucks just as much as the next guy, and I would HATE to have his soft ass on the Knicks, but this dude is not as trash as this thread is making him seem. Sure, his rebounding is pathetic in every sense of the word, and he isn't even an average defender, but the guy is coming off an injury and is playing for a shytty team. Lets not forget the guy has averaged more than 20ppg before on like 45% I think. How many PFs in the league can put up 20ppg on jumpshots? There's gota be some team or coach or system whatever where this guy can be like a good third option for a team that already has guys who bang in the paint. Now that I think about it, it would have been interesting for the Grizz to get Bargs just to see how he'd fit next to Z-bo. Too bad it was just a salary dump. Portland? I know they have LMA but i'm just trying to think of teams that could hide his flaws and make him look good.
el gringos, face it, Bargs doesn't fit on the Knicks and I don't think there's one Knicks fan out there who would even remotely consider wanting Bargs. I would literally be so mad if the Knicks got Bargs. Some other team can gamble trying to make him work.
Mr. Jabbar
02-06-2013, 02:23 PM
He is not the solution to the Lakers problems. He is not the solution to the Knick's problems. Teams do not make trades in order to get worse.
what problems? :confusedshrug:
Whoah10115
02-06-2013, 02:28 PM
Bargnani isn't this elite shooter that people make him out to be. That's a strike against him. He's a good shooter and maybe he could be a great one, but even then he's not one of the absolute best shooters. He doesn't have half of Dirk's jumper.
What he is, is a scorer. That's why people hold out hope for him. Of course, that's also worse, because he hasn't been very good and he's not a guy you just plug in. To have all his deficiencies and be a scorer could be a good thing...but it also means that he's not Novak. You can't just bring him off the bench and spot him up. And, right now, he hasn't shown many signs of being worth a starting spot or the trouble of compensating for those deficiencies.
el gringos
02-06-2013, 05:14 PM
I think Bargs sucks just as much as the next guy, and I would HATE to have his soft ass on the Knicks, but this dude is not as trash as this thread is making him seem. Sure, his rebounding is pathetic in every sense of the word, and he isn't even an average defender, but the guy is coming off an injury and is playing for a shytty team. Lets not forget the guy has averaged more than 20ppg before on like 45% I think. How many PFs in the league can put up 20ppg on jumpshots? There's gota be some team or coach or system whatever where this guy can be like a good third option for a team that already has guys who bang in the paint. Now that I think about it, it would have been interesting for the Grizz to get Bargs just to see how he'd fit next to Z-bo. Too bad it was just a salary dump. Portland? I know they have LMA but i'm just trying to think of teams that could hide his flaws and make him look good.
el gringos, face it, Bargs doesn't fit on the Knicks and I don't think there's one Knicks fan out there who would even remotely consider wanting Bargs. I would literally be so mad if the Knicks got Bargs. Some other team can gamble trying to make him work.
Teams that could hide his flaws? That is the New York Knicks and playing between chandler and Carmelo.
And the rebounding issue as to how he would affect the Knicks? He's be playing minutes from James white, Novak, brewer, and Amare- rebounding wouldn't get worse
I can understand saying you don't want Bargnani, but I can't understand anyone trying to say that his game wouldn't fit really well with Carmelo and chandler. Why build despite Carmelo when you could build around him w players that compliment his game.
The over reaction on ish about "Bargnani sucking" has been wild. You look stupid saying it, and a team out there will show that- too bad it prob won't be the Knicks where he fits perfect, watch the spurs grab him and run with it
el gringos
02-06-2013, 05:18 PM
We have his mini mii, his name is Novak and he makes 1/4 of his money and doesn't have to start at the 4.
You mean can't start at the 4- if he could be would
Fact is the Knicks have to go out of their way to put an extra shooter on the court. Knicks won't reach their ceiling until Carmelo can stay at the 3 but the spacing is still there
And Novak makes almost half what Bargnani makes
MetsPackers
02-06-2013, 05:43 PM
Teams that could hide his flaws? That is the New York Knicks and playing between chandler and Carmelo.
And the rebounding issue as to how he would affect the Knicks? He's be playing minutes from James white, Novak, brewer, and Amare- rebounding wouldn't get worse
I can understand saying you don't want Bargnani, but I can't understand anyone trying to say that his game wouldn't fit really well with Carmelo and chandler. Why build despite Carmelo when you could build around him w players that compliment his game.
The over reaction on ish about "Bargnani sucking" has been wild. You look stupid saying it, and a team out there will show that- too bad it prob won't be the Knicks where he fits perfect, watch the spurs grab him and run with it
I don't think the Spurs would touch Bargs with a ten foot poll. Just because of how soft and lazy he is. They like spot up shooters who keep their heads down and make 3s. Just because of who Bargs thinks he is, he definitly wouldn't be happy playing 20mpg and being limited to only 3s and long jumpers; getting less shots and hardly being featured at all.
I don't think he fits on the Knicks either. He can't pick and roll with Melo. He fvcks up the spacing too the way I see it. The fact that Amare plays in the post gives Melo space to beat people off the dribble on the perimeter and either get a shot or find someone open. Thats why Melo/Amare/Tyson wasn't working for a while; because Melo needs room on the perimeter to be a playmaker and having tyson on the floor moved Amare out. Altho Bargs and Amare are weak rebounders, Amare is better at everything and plays in the post which is what the Knicks need. In fact, thats the reason why bench guys like White/Brewer get starts sometimes. Because they don't need the ball, play defense, pass the ball to Melo, and get out of his way. The offense would have to be completely adjusted to suit Bargs if they wanted to feature him; because he certainly doesn't fit into the current one. And who the fvck wants to feature Bargs? GM survey?
Legends66NBA7
02-06-2013, 05:50 PM
What does it say about some of your basketball knowledge that you negged me for dissing Bargnani?
Do Raptor fans really like this guy? What's wrong with you?
I don't know who negged you or if it was a Raptors fan.
Chating up with all the Raptor fans, I'm pretty confident to say that we've all had enough of seeing him. Even some of us supporters who were still there with him until this season like lilbeastnani, Just2McFly and myself... know that it's time to move on from him and try to just get him off the team anyways possible.
But you can't tell the board to stop Bargnani trade scenarios or rumors. Yeah, he's not a star right now, but he still has some value out there and probably just needs a better situation for himself. Besides, it's clearly important for the Raptor fans to know about this news since, like I said before, everybody wants him gone.
el gringos
02-06-2013, 06:41 PM
I don't think the Spurs would touch Bargs with a ten foot poll. Just because of how soft and lazy he is. They like spot up shooters who keep their heads down and make 3s. Just because of who Bargs thinks he is, he definitly wouldn't be happy playing 20mpg and being limited to only 3s and long jumpers; getting less shots and hardly being featured at all.
I don't think he fits on the Knicks either. He can't pick and roll with Melo. He fvcks up the spacing too the way I see it. The fact that Amare plays in the post gives Melo space to beat people off the dribble on the perimeter and either get a shot or find someone open. Thats why Melo/Amare/Tyson wasn't working for a while; because Melo needs room on the perimeter to be a playmaker and having tyson on the floor moved Amare out. Altho Bargs and Amare are weak rebounders, Amare is better at everything and plays in the post which is what the Knicks need. In fact, thats the reason why bench guys like White/Brewer get starts sometimes. Because they don't need the ball, play defense, pass the ball to Melo, and get out of his way. The offense would have to be completely adjusted to suit Bargs if they wanted to feature him; because he certainly doesn't fit into the current one. And who the fvck wants to feature Bargs? GM survey?
The idea isn't to feature Bargnani- it's to feature Carmelo
I have to strongly disagree on what you want from Carmelo- I don't think you want him on the perimeter playmaking and shooting 3s. I'd want him around the basket because he is the best "power 3" there is
And I don't see amare as a post presence- since when? Bargnani actually IMO is a better low post scorer than amare- there is so much more than a jump shooter w Bargnani, makes me wonder how many of these guys have actually seen him play.
So maybe you don't want to build around Carmelo- but there is no question that as far as complimenting Carmelo, Bargnani would do it much better than amare.
How old are some of you that i'm gettings negs insulting me by saying i'm married? Some of you are really bizarre.
SevereUpInHere
02-06-2013, 09:14 PM
Talent evaluation is hard- most sports fans don't have the ability to look past opportunity to see just ability. So Bargnani has shown not to be a #1 option- obviously that means he couldn't be a productive 2nd or 3rd scorer. And yeah playing next to chandler or Dwight wouldn't cover any of those bad rebounding stats
Knicks would get better by acquiring Bargnani and building around Carmelo instead of despite him
He's here!! :bowdown: :bowdown:
G-train
02-06-2013, 09:41 PM
Not saying I disagree with some of the comments in this thread, but I'm willing to bet that 85% of the posters in here have never watched him play a game.
Rockets(T-mac)
02-06-2013, 10:51 PM
I've been saying he's garbage since his second year. Some players you can just tell won't fix their fatal flaws, I could never see him playing like a big man. He is nothing more than a back-up stretch 4.
Beatlezz
07-01-2013, 11:07 AM
Stop with the stupid trade scenarios. The Knicks do not want him. The Lakers do not want him. No one wants him. His mom doesn't like him, even she calls him soft. He is garbage. The Raptors have sucked for what feels like forever, and they want him gone. He is not the solution to the Lakers problems. He is not the solution to the Knick's problems. Teams do not make trades in order to get worse.
HE IS COMPLETE AND UTTER GARBAGE AND NO TEAM IS GOING TO TRADE FOR HIM TO SOLVE THEIR PROBLEMS.
Stop. Anyone who posts anything about Bargnani in a trade or as a solution is a moron.
:lol
CanYouDigIt
07-01-2013, 11:14 AM
Op is the only AZN I know that is retarded
UK-NJ
07-01-2013, 11:15 AM
Damn, this is a good bump. :oldlol:
Having said that, I don't think the trade is as terrible as some are making out. I think Bargs could still be a solid part of a rotation providing you're putting out a line up that helps to mask his huge defensive deficiencies. Offensively he's still a capable player when he's confident & playing next to Melo could work well for him.
Not saying it's a great trade or anything, I just think the overwhelmingly negative reaction might be premature.
Droid101
07-01-2013, 11:16 AM
No, niko is right. Bargs sucks. If he comes in here and tries to defend Bargs now... well, that's just sad.
kaiteng
07-01-2013, 11:44 AM
- He is a #1 draft pick in the weakest draft in past decade.
- He is only good on what he originally does, which is being a 7 footer who plays like a spot-up shooting SF.
- He does block shots quite well, but if you ask him to mind rebounding and defending too much he will lose his offensive touch.
- As above, he has become "streaky" when he used to be a pretty consistent 20 points-a-game scorer for a while before injuries.
- Raptors, especially fans, expected too much out of him. Knicks shouldn't.
knickswin
07-01-2013, 11:50 AM
'kay, Niko just said this because he was sick of el gringos making all those bargnani threads and he's deluded himself into believing that if he rants about something on the internet that will make it true.
Eat Like A Bosh
07-01-2013, 11:58 AM
What's with everyone lol? Niko's right, Barganani is nothing special.
Heavincent
07-01-2013, 12:01 PM
:oldlol:
HurricaneKid
07-01-2013, 12:29 PM
People need to stop saying he is a good shooter. He was .296 and .311 the last two years. I cannot believe that is the one attribute people give him.
Celtic_Pride
07-01-2013, 01:18 PM
:oldlol:
Dagouch
07-01-2013, 01:21 PM
Damn it. Niko jinxed us with this Thread. :lol :lol
imdaman99
07-01-2013, 01:26 PM
i dont understand the bump. i guess because he said no one wants him. but its not like he is gonna change his tune and say yeah, bargs aint bad now that he is a knick. he is gonna continue to tell us how much he sucks lol.
boozehound
07-01-2013, 01:37 PM
What's with everyone lol? Niko's right, Barganani is nothing special.
the point is that he was saying no team would be dumb enough to trade for him and now his squad did. Kinda childish, but whatever. I would rather have novak on my squad than him
they took bargnani
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-75kQyEpEdFc/UB7Ic1LBfaI/AAAAAAAACIs/YUMSKeHUptc/s1600/tom-cruise-laughing.gif
Take Your Lumps
07-01-2013, 01:38 PM
Only the Knicks man.......only the Knicks.
macmac
07-01-2013, 01:48 PM
i dont understand the bump. i guess because he said no one wants him. but its not like he is gonna change his tune and say yeah, bargs aint bad now that he is a knick. he is gonna continue to tell us how much he sucks lol.
He was acting holier than thou telling people not to post about trades involving Bargnani because he had negative value and no one would trade for him. Fast forward a year later, and his team gives away three picks and a role player.
Niko is a clown. Nothing better than seeing ignorant people that think they have a clue get their own foot force fed into their mouth
The Ownage
07-01-2013, 02:44 PM
lol Niko forgot the Knicks owner is James Dolan.
longtime lurker
07-01-2013, 02:58 PM
I like Niko one of the better posters on this site, but this bump is :roll:
n00bie
07-01-2013, 03:12 PM
Op is the only AZN I know that is retarded
Who said OP was asian?
stallionaire
07-01-2013, 03:14 PM
Godly bump. LMFAO.
As if the OP could actually get less cred.
madmax
07-01-2013, 05:20 PM
:lol :roll:
is anyone really surprised it's a Knicks fan getting clowned for his statements here?
GawdBe
07-01-2013, 05:21 PM
Bargnani has no redeeming qualities as a player. Net negative on the floor, just utter trash. Getting any value for him is a steal...
PickernRoller
07-01-2013, 05:34 PM
Nothing wrong in OP's statements. Just the fact that his team is f'cking stupid. We got a stupid owner too in Jim Buss so. It happens from time to time.
SpecialQue
07-01-2013, 07:57 PM
Nothing wrong in OP's statements. Just the fact that his team is f'cking stupid. We got a stupid owner too in Jim Buss so. It happens from time to time.
Hiring D'Antoni was fvcking retarded, but come on...we got Dwight for Bynum and Nash for a trade exception. Can't really compare the two.
Horde of Temujin
07-01-2013, 08:01 PM
**** Dolan. **** Melo. **** Grunwald. **** Jr, And i dont care if he aint there anymore but **** Isiah.
I stopped rooting for the knicks during the Isiah era.
Why should i help line pockets of a douchebag just because i rooted for them since i was kid? **** nostalgia.
PickernRoller
07-01-2013, 08:06 PM
Hiring D'Antoni was fvcking retarded, but come on...we got Dwight for Bynum and Nash for a trade exception. Can't really compare the two.
True....still thou....(70% credit to Mitch)
Legends66NBA7
12-06-2013, 07:58 PM
Is he a hero now ?
BlazerRed
12-06-2013, 08:01 PM
Is he a hero now ?
No?
Legends66NBA7
12-06-2013, 08:04 PM
No?
Seems like a different tune from the board now.
**** no. He hasn't sucked, which is great. And he made me laugh very hard last night. But he didn't morph into a great player.
The fact I think Bargs punking KG is so funny should tell you how much I think of Bargs.
BlackVVaves
12-06-2013, 08:21 PM
:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:
**** no. He hasn't sucked, which is great. And he made me laugh very hard last night. But he didn't morph into a great player.
The fact I think Bargs punking KG is so funny should tell you how much I think of Bargs.
Apparently the Knicks wanted him :confusedshrug:
:lol :lol
Which do you think I would dislike more, if I was wrong or about Bargs, or right and he plays horrible? I REALLY hope I'm terribly wrong and look foolish for this thread. Really badly.
Fresh Kid
12-06-2013, 09:47 PM
Is he a hero now ?
yes:applause:
Mr. Incredible
12-06-2013, 09:48 PM
Great thread. Would read again.
Legends66NBA7
12-06-2013, 09:56 PM
yes:applause:
I'm glad for you.
Makes me miss the old days, just a little...
http://cdn.bluetoro.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Amir-Johnson-and-Andrea-Bargnani-560x613.jpg
BlackVVaves
12-06-2013, 09:59 PM
Which do you think I would dislike more, if I was wrong or about Bargs, or right and he plays horrible? I REALLY hope I'm terribly wrong and look foolish for this thread. Really badly.
He's been your second best player this year easily, and certainly more productive (and healthy) than seasons of late.
Though he's a horrid team defender and lacks general awareness on defense, his man defense on bigs that are predominantly post up players has actually been pretty good.
He's a shit #1 or #2 option, but thrives as the #3 guy like he is now. His ideal role as his career progresses would probably be in a sixth man role, where he is the focal point of the offense through pick and pop opportunities going against teams' second units.
Legends66NBA7
12-06-2013, 10:05 PM
He's been your second best player this year easily, and certainly more productive (and healthy) than seasons of late.
Though he's a horrid team defender and lacks general awareness on defense, his man defense on bigs that are predominantly post up players has actually been pretty good.
He's a shit #1 or #2 option, but thrives as the #3 guy like he is now. His ideal role as his career progresses would probably be in a sixth man role, where he is the focal point of the offense through pick and pop opportunities going against teams' second units.
Bargnani's post defense has never been the problem (when things are going right for him), it's just his help defense and rebounding overall. I'm glad he's playing center right now, since that's where he was very effective from a post defensive stand point.
You're right too, he is the best effectively when he's a 3rd option. He could be a 2nd option, but he needs to be relied on more and I don't think he can maintain that right now or in the future.
Bargnani's post defense has never been the problem (when things are going right for him), it's just his help defense and rebounding overall. I'm glad he's playing center right now, since that's where he was very effective from a post defensive stand point.
You're right too, he is the best effectively when he's a 3rd option. He could be a 2nd option, but he needs to be relied on more and I don't think he can maintain that right now or in the future.
His help defense is horrific. Man on man is not bad but it's like no one ever told him he's tall.
Knicks101
12-06-2013, 11:23 PM
http://i42.tinypic.com/1zmk23b.jpg
I<3NBA
12-07-2013, 02:23 AM
lol, thread blew up in OP's face when Knicks traded for Bargnani. :lol
RoundMoundOfReb
12-07-2013, 02:41 AM
Bargnani's post defense has never been the problem (when things are going right for him), it's just his help defense and rebounding overall. I'm glad he's playing center right now, since that's where he was very effective from a post defensive stand point.
You're right too, he is the best effectively when he's a 3rd option. He could be a 2nd option, but he needs to be relied on more and I don't think he can maintain that right now or in the future.
This is why I think he could be pretty valuable against Indiana but would be a huge detriment against Miami.
Legends66NBA7
12-07-2013, 02:51 AM
This is why I think he could be pretty valuable against Indiana but would be a huge detriment against Miami.
Bargnani actually played well against the Big 3 Miami when he was healthy, but yes he would definitely be a factor against Indiana.
I still remember tossing around Hibbert like he was nothing the last time he played them. :oldlol:
Which do you think I would dislike more, if I was wrong or about Bargs, or right and he plays horrible? I REALLY hope I'm terribly wrong and look foolish for this thread. Really badly.
The funny part isn't your assessment of him as a player, because most agree that he is terrible. The funny part is that you said the Knicks don't want him and then they went and traded for him.
avonbarksdale
12-07-2013, 03:59 AM
he isn't terrible but he does not rebound idk why
BlackVVaves
12-07-2013, 08:19 AM
Bargnani's post defense has never been the problem (when things are going right for him), it's just his help defense and rebounding overall. I'm glad he's playing center right now, since that's where he was very effective from a post defensive stand point.
You're right too, he is the best effectively when he's a 3rd option. He could be a 2nd option, but he needs to be relied on more and I don't think he can maintain that right now or in the future.
Precisely, I think Bargnani, for the sake of his durability and effectiveness, is best suited playing 20-25 minutes per game, in a lesser role.
When I played 2K last year, I took the Lakers over for a season and traded Gasol for Bargs to play next to Dwight and Kobe. Championship cruise :lol
The funny part isn't your assessment of him as a player, because most agree that he is terrible. The funny part is that you said the Knicks don't want him and then they went and traded for him.
More funny is me arguing with El Gringos about why I don't want him and the Knicks not only getting him, but using him exactly like El Gringo said. :facepalm My worldview is shattered...
bagelred
12-07-2013, 10:29 AM
Chris Farley..fidgeting..."Um...Andrea....remember the time you blew by Kevin Garnett along the baseline for a slam...and then you almost got into a fight with him....and then hit a shot in his face and got thrown out of the game for taunting?"
Bargnani "Uh, yeah Chris, of course....."
Farley "Um....that was awesome!"
Artillery
12-07-2013, 11:11 AM
he isn't terrible but he does not rebound idk why
Bargs has never been a good rebounder but this season is probably his 2nd best rebounding season. Still not impressive but at least he's trying to be productive.
Fresh Kid
12-07-2013, 11:15 AM
I'm glad for you.
Makes me miss the old days, just a little...
http://cdn.bluetoro.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Amir-Johnson-and-Andrea-Bargnani-560x613.jpg
thanx bro:cheers: and:oldlol:
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