How did Birdman slip through the cracks??

[Clippersfan86]

Okay so while Karl stupidly had this guy rotting on the bench the last couple years multiple times I've thought to myself... that he should get playing time. A guy like that who's entire game is based on energy as a garbage, hustle player isn't going to go from a beast to a scrub that quickly.

So he rots the last 2 or 3 years on the bench... shockingly nobody but Miami wants him and calls him up while he's sitting at home on the couch and low and behold he's been a fantastic addition to the defending champs.


1. Why did George Karl let him rot when he still had game? Yes I know the criminal accusations ruined his rep a bit but he could still play. Yes I know about his knee injury/surgery as well.

2. Why did no other teams pursue him outside of the Heat?

3. Why do you think he's thriving now?



Great read on Bird from ESPN today.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/16822/chris-andersen-takes-flight-in-miami

[KobesFinger]

1) I think Karl's system wasn't right for him. They needed a big who can score and play some D (McGee somewhat, he's no scorer but he can dunk anything)

2) Combination of no cap space and his reputation, similar to K-Mart but worse. I have no idea why the Lakers didn't pursue him, with Jordan Hill down and the L granting us $1.78m to replace him.

3) The Heat have no bigs who can defend well, so he is exactly what they need. He doesn't care about scoring or even being involved on offense so Wade, LeBron and Bosh can have the ball as much as they want while saving a bit of energy knowing the Bird is there to help on D

[Blingster]

Karl was trying to develop his young bigs. Andersen had reached his ceiling two seasons prior. With the (young) depth that we had, he decided to focus on them.


BTW: I'm not a huge Karl fan.. I do love Bird though
*****give me a minute i'll find the article about Karl where he said it wasn't fair to bird

http://blogs.denverpost.com/nuggets/2012/05/10/nuggets-coach-george-karl-talks-chris-andersen/6620/



"It’s difficult for Bird not playing. It’s just real difficult. Bird, I’ve said before, he’s been dealt a bad hand by me, for a guy who’s played great basketball for me and the Nuggets to have kind of been fazed out because of the youth movement in the middle of the season is not always fair. I think Bird could play for many basketball teams.”


1. Why did George Karl let him rot when he still had game? Yes I know the criminal accusations ruined his rep a bit but he could still play. Yes I know about his knee injury/surgery as well.

see above post.. Him not playing meaningful minutes was prior to the investigation.

2. Why did no other teams pursue him outside of the Heat?

It was probably seen as a bad PR move. With all the negative press surrounding him, I doubt teams wanted to bring that into the locker room.. Although He did no wrong, and his name was never cleared, dude got a really bad wrap.

He also had microscopic knee surgery right after he was released from Denver. There was rehab time that had not been mentioned in many articles.

3. Why do you think he's thriving now?

Because he still has a motor and something to prove. Bird was wrapped up in this extortion plot for god knows how long.. I'm sure this effected him long before news broke of any allegations.


I had a chance to meet Birdman in person. I can honestly say he was one of the nicest people I have ever met. I wish him well , and hope he continues to thrive with Miami.

[Clippersfan86]

Karl was trying to develop his young bigs. Andersen had reached his ceiling two seasons prior. With the (young) depth that we had, he decided to focus on them.


BTW: I'm not a huge Karl fan.. I do love Bird though
*****give me a minute i'll find the article about Karl where he said it wasn't fair to bird

It IS unfair. Birdman was a staple of Nuggets basketball in the Melo era and a HUGE part of that team. So for him to be benched for a couple years for the development of younger players? He should have been traded a couple years ago and handled with a bit more respect from Karl IMO.

I'd love to see the article though.

[dirkdiggler41]

My impression was that his sexual-assault case was making team scared of him. Business people are extremely scared of hiring high profiled people with cases like that.

The case is closed and Birdman is not guilty.

[Mr Exlax]

My impression was that his sexual-assault case was making team scared of him. Business people are extremely scared of hiring high profiled people with cases like that.

The case is closed and Birdman is not guilty.


I'm 95% positive it was because of the sexual assault case.

[Blingster]

It IS unfair. Birdman was a staple of Nuggets basketball in the Melo era and a HUGE part of that team. So for him to be benched for a couple years for the development of younger players? He should have been traded a couple years ago and handled with a bit more respect from Karl IMO.

I'd love to see the article though.


Link added to my previous post.

[Clippersfan86]

I'm 95% positive it was because of the sexual assault case.

Which is even more wrong. Zero loyalty from the Nuggets front office if a guy is acquitted and that's why you bench him long term. Dude was a big part of the Nuggets the last decade.

[Clippersfan86]

Link added to my previous post.

Thanks. :cheers:

[Clippersfan86]

BTW just watched some highlights/interviews since he's been in Miami and they are truly a perfect fit. Crowd gave him a crazy standing ovation when he checked in as a Heat player for the first time and you had Wade and Lebron going crazy for him cheering him in.

In the interview he was told he was a fan favorite in Denver and said "Really? I was?". As if he could tell they turned their back on him. Good to see Miami embrace him so much.

[dirkdiggler41]

Which is even more wrong. Zero loyalty from the Nuggets front office if a guy is acquitted and that's why you bench him long term. Dude was a big part of the Nuggets the last decade.

We never know what happens behind scene. For all we know, the staff could be supporting Birdman in his case, but its nothing that they want to make a commercial on. I could picture it though.
"NBA CARES TO MUCH: Hi! Im Chris Andersen. I just want to thank the NBA for supporting with all this money for a great lawyer. Without the NBA I would not be able to hump, bump and dump all the little NBA fans all over the world".

I like Birdman and he is innocent.

[Mr. Incredible]

Glad he's with the Heat. He just needs to get in better shape.

[bdreason]

He's not that good.

[Clippersfan86]

He's not that good.

Never was "that good". Thing is he's a very capable backup center and a perfect fit for a lot of teams. He's good enough to where he shouldn't have been sitting on his couch eating fried rice only to get ONE call almost two months into the season from ONE team.

[Sharmer]

Good acquisition by the heat.

[NugzFan]

when CF86 tries to talk about the nuggets like he knows anything, it makes me vomit.

stick to hyping the clips.

[2LeTTeRS]

Which is even more wrong. Zero loyalty from the Nuggets front office if a guy is acquitted and that's why you bench him long term. Dude was a big part of the Nuggets the last decade.

To be acquitted means you were charged, and Anderson was never even charged. He was just investigated.

[Clippersfan86]

To be acquitted means you were charged, and Anderson was never even charged. He was just investigated.

My apologies. I thought charges were brought against him. Even more reason not to treat him like an outcast because of the "accusations" :cheers:

[AirFederer]

Love his hustle plays and energy. Bird plays like he has something to prove. Great pick up by the Heat.

[2LeTTeRS]

Which is even more wrong. Zero loyalty from the Nuggets front office if a guy is acquitted and that's why you bench him long term. Dude was a big part of the Nuggets the last decade.

Wait did you just say he was a big part of the Nuggets of the last decade? First off no he wasn't, he was a back-up big man who was merely an energy guy. Secondly do you realize how much money the Nuggets have been paying this guy since 2009? The Nuggets agreed to give this guy a 5 year contract worth $26 million when he was 31 and had been out of the league for 2 years for abusing hard drugs.

The only thing partially negative that you can accuse the Nuggets doing is amnestying Birdman, and is that really negative when you consider that he will receive the $9 million he was owed over the next two years?

[Blingster]

Wait did you just say he was a big part of the Nuggets of the last decade? First off no he wasn't, he was a back-up big man who was merely an energy guy. Secondly do you realize how much money the Nuggets have been paying this guy since 2009? The Nuggets agreed to give this guy a 5 year contract worth $26 million when he was 31 and had been out of the league for 2 years for abusing hard drugs.

The only thing partially negative that you can accuse the Nuggets doing is amnestying Birdman, and is that really negative when you consider that he will receive the $9 million he was owed over the next two years?

This!!


The Amnesty was not all bad.. He still gets paid, had time to recover from his surgery, and had time to get back in shape. It made sense for the Nuggets to amnesty him due to Mcgee, Koufos and Mozgov being on the roster. The way I see it, all is well that ends well.

Bird has a shot at a title with the Heat, while still earning money from the Nuggets.

Nuggets still have 3 serviceable bigs. Nuggets don't have to worry about Birds contract effecting their cap space.

[Bigsmoke]

NBA coaches can get iffy about having crackheads playing for them sometimes...

[Blingster]

NBA coaches can get iffy about having crackheads playing for them sometimes...

Bird was signed after his drug problems by Charlotte, then Denver, then Miami.. I doubt any thought was given about his prior drug problems. After his suspension for drugs, there was never a relapse..

[Bigsmoke]

Bird was signed after his drug problems by Charlotte, then Denver, then Miami.. I doubt any thought was given about his prior drug problems. After his suspension for drugs, there was never a relapse..

if ****** want dude so badly then why he had no minutes last year and why he didn't start playing for a team like a week ago? :confusedshrug:

[mjokc]

when CF86 tries to talk about the nuggets like he knows anything, it makes me vomit.

stick to hyping the clips.

The Clippers went back to sucking, his boyfriend Eric Bledsoe got exposed, CP3 and Blake are injured so he has no more Clipper ***** to ride. :roll:

[Blingster]

if ****** want dude so badly then why he had no minutes last year and why he didn't start playing for a team like a week ago? :confusedshrug:


I would assume, like I said earlier, it was because of the negative press that he received as a result of an extortion plot.

Birdman is a high energy guy that can come off the bench for 10-12 minutes a game. He can alter a couple shots maybe block 1 or 2, grab 2-3 boards, score a bucket or two.. nothing amazing. He is a stop gap between the starters taking a breather on the bench.

[Clippersfan86]

Wait did you just say he was a big part of the Nuggets of the last decade? First off no he wasn't, he was a back-up big man who was merely an energy guy. Secondly do you realize how much money the Nuggets have been paying this guy since 2009? The Nuggets agreed to give this guy a 5 year contract worth $26 million when he was 31 and had been out of the league for 2 years for abusing hard drugs.

The only thing partially negative that you can accuse the Nuggets doing is amnestying Birdman, and is that really negative when you consider that he will receive the $9 million he was owed over the next two years?

You misunderstood what I meant by "big part". I didn't mean the guy was a star. I meant he was a big part of the team identity, a fan favorite, and in his limited minutes had huge impact often times. I agree initially the Nuggets treated him very good and amnestying him wasn't wrong. My thing was the 2 years riding the bench without getting a shot BEFORE being amnestied.

Which ironically his PER 36 rates were still fantastic and among his best the last two years.

[Ruutu]

Birdman is a perfect fit for Miami team. Def made them stronger on the boards.

[Artillery]

I'm 95% positive it was because of the sexual assault case.

Yup. Miami's the kind of place that embraces degenerates so it's a good fit for him.

[Grey Dawn]

Is heroin a PED?

[NuggetsFan]

It IS unfair. Birdman was a staple of Nuggets basketball in the Melo era and a HUGE part of that team. So for him to be benched for a couple years for the development of younger players? He should have been traded a couple years ago and handled with a bit more respect from Karl IMO.

I'd love to see the article though.

George Karl and the Denver Nuggets saved the dude's career. Birdman simply fell outside the rotation. It was for some of the younger players, things changed up, he got himself into some legal trouble, I also believe on top of all that he got himself hurt.

Dude has NEVER got big minutes. Even in his two big years for Denver he was at like 20 minutes. After that I believe we had him at 10-15 per game.

Really you're an idiot. Denver took on this guy and gave him a pretty big role after everything. He was a fan favorite but even now Denver has 3 better centers in Mosgov, Kosta, McGee? What do you want us to do? Play him over those guy's? Play him over Faried?

Good on Birdman tho, he was really liked here. You're just acting like a 12 year old kid right now, poor Andersen mean 'ol Nuggets! :oldlol:

[Clippersfan86]

George Karl and the Denver Nuggets saved the dude's career. Birdman simply fell outside the rotation. It was for some of the younger players, things changed up, he got himself into some legal trouble, I also believe on top of all that he got himself hurt.

Dude has NEVER got big minutes. Even in his two big years for Denver he was at like 20 minutes. After that I believe we had him at 10-15 per game.

Really you're an idiot. Denver took on this guy and gave him a pretty big role after everything. He was a fan favorite but even now Denver has 3 better centers in Mosgov, Kosta, McGee? What do you want us to do? Play him over those guy's? Play him over Faried?

Good on Birdman tho, he was really liked here. You're just acting like a 12 year old kid right now, poor Andersen mean 'ol Nuggets! :oldlol:

Anderson was proven as a role player. Koufas is inconsistent as shit and Mozgov is a scrub. McGee as it is doesn't get the minutes he should. I mean really Karl is just a poor manager of minutes, that's all it is. I never said he played big minutes... but going from 15-20 MPG to tons of DNP's?

[coin24]

Have to agree, Karls management of his teams minutes is just:facepalm
Shitty overrated coach.

Damn wish the lakers snapped up birdman, or kenyon:lol

[NuggetsFan]

Anderson was proven as a role player. Koufas is inconsistent as shit and Mozgov is a scrub. McGee as it is doesn't get the minutes he should. I mean really Karl is just a poor manager of minutes, that's all it is.

I'm not going to defend George Karl and his use of minutes but I can't believe you're actually sitting here trying to defend keeping Birdman. I just don't get it, are you upset with Denver and trying to like lash out?

Birdman is nowhere near the guy he use to be. He did lose that athletic ability and is no doubt past his prime. If he was in that '08-09 form this would be a different story but he's not. His level of play just kept on dropping off in a Nuggets uniform and was owed a good chunk of money so Denver made the move to get rid of him, after injuries/legal trouble.

Right now? Kosta is better. Birdman got the crowd going and people amped but he literally fell for EVERY shot fake. Great shot blocker, great help defense, terrible man defense. Kosta doesn't give you the blocks, he plays his man better tho while still sending a few shots back. Birdman was probably the better rebounder, Kosta is solid on that end and is better offensively than him.

Mosgov, I dunno. Currently? I'd rather have him than Bird. McGee goes without question. He's just a more athletic, skilled, lankier, dumber version of Bird.

Denver was the first NBA team he ever played for. We were the first team that took a chance on him after his suspension. He actually had a small stint as a successful player, was a fan favorite etc. it came to an end mainly because dude was like 33, in the middle of another scandal, had injuries and Denver just started to rebuild their entire roster :confusedshrug:

I fail to see ANY issue here.

[Clippersfan86]

Are you going to remain paranoid? I haven't been badmouthing ANY teams lately and obviously I didn't make this thread to piss on the Nuggets. As for his decline... what is there to decline from? He's a hustle, garbage player who helps on the glass and defends. I'm not saying dude was a star or anything. I understand you guys have a lot of centers but why not go back to the proven product over inconsistent Euro bigs who aren't good for much more than the occasional hard foul or rebound?

If it was some big issue I was trying to point out... I would have titled this thread "Denver is stupid" etc. Instead I made it a general thread more centered around how only ONE team contacted this guy who could likely help at least 15 teams off the bench. In other words... stop being so defensive and try to follow the point of the thread which was about CHRIS ANDERSON not the Nuggets. Sure by default I discussed the Nuggets not giving him a chance lately but... they aren't my main focus.

[GoldNugg21]

Are you going to remain paranoid? I haven't been badmouthing ANY teams lately and obviously I didn't make this thread to piss on the Nuggets. As for his decline... what is there to decline from? He's a hustle, garbage player who helps on the glass and defends. I'm not saying dude was a star or anything. I understand you guys have a lot of centers but why not go back to the proven product over inconsistent Euro bigs who aren't good for much more than the occasional hard foul or rebound?

If it was some big issue I was trying to point out... I would have titled this thread "Denver is stupid" etc. Instead I made it a general thread more centered around how only ONE team contacted this guy who could likely help at least 15 teams off the bench. In other words... stop being so defensive and try to follow the point of the thread which was about CHRIS ANDERSON not the Nuggets. Sure by default I discussed the Nuggets not giving him a chance lately but... they aren't my main focus.


Okay so while Karl stupidly had this guy rotting on the bench the last couple years multiple times I've thought to myself... that he should get playing time. A guy like that who's entire game is based on energy as a garbage, hustle player isn't going to go from a beast to a scrub that quickly.

So he rots the last 2 or 3 years on the bench... shockingly nobody but Miami wants him and calls him up while he's sitting at home on the couch and low and behold he's been a fantastic addition to the defending champs.


1. Why did George Karl let him rot when he still had game? Yes I know the criminal accusations ruined his rep a bit but he could still play. Yes I know about his knee injury/surgery as well.

A majority of your first post was about how our coach is an idiot and then you went into how our organization is crappy for how we treated him. But no, you didn't badmouth anybody!

Here's what happened with Bird: he was likely our 2nd best option at center last year, but with the trade for McGee and the extension of Koufus, it became clear that he was no longer the future. For about half of the season, he fell out of the rotation in favor of the younger guys; prior to that point he had gotten consistent rotation minutes, so I don't know where you get 2 years from. Koufus took a step forward with the additional playing time, and is now a solid player that is not a liability starting at center, not "inconsistent as sh!t". Over the offseason, in addition to his legal issues (which were never really clear), we had 4 of our roster spots filled with centers and no real depth at PF. It made sense to cut ties with Bird and bring in Randolph.

All indications were that the team supported him when the allegations were brought forward, and he took time off from the team to defend himself at that time. There's really not much the Nuggets could do at that point. He was always a huge fan favorite, but a lot of people turned on him when the associations with child porn came about, even without knowing the whole story (or any of the story really) until much later.

I'm glad he's found a home somewhere, he should have been grabbed sooner. Perfect fit for the Heat.

[NuggetsFan]

Are you going to remain paranoid? I haven't been badmouthing ANY teams lately and obviously I didn't make this thread to piss on the Nuggets. As for his decline... what is there to decline from? He's a hustle, garbage player who helps on the glass and defends. I'm not saying dude was a star or anything. I understand you guys have a lot of centers but why not go back to the proven product over inconsistent Euro bigs who aren't good for much more than the occasional hard foul or rebound?

If it was some big issue I was trying to point out... I would have titled this thread "Denver is stupid" etc. Instead I made it a general thread more centered around how only ONE team contacted this guy who could likely help at least 15 teams off the bench. In other words... stop being so defensive and try to follow the point of the thread which was about CHRIS ANDERSON not the Nuggets. Sure by default I discussed the Nuggets not giving him a chance lately but... they aren't my main focus.

I'm not paranoid, guess I'm just curious. I can't see one single reason why somebody would be confused about Birdman getting let go from the Nuggets. Dude was looking at like 4.5 mill + almost 5 mill in the next two years, what's the point when you have younger centers who are better? Denver didn't owe him any favors, they picked him up after he got himself kicked out of the league. Not the other way around.

What's there to decline from? His game was based 100% on athletic ability. Getting a big crowd changing dunk. Coming over from the helpside and swatting a shot back in somebody's face. Yeah obviously some skill in it it too but 3 years ago he was doing like 6/6 and blocking 2+ shots in 20 minutes of play. That was at his best for Denver. At 34, he's not the same. Still a solid role player, but more like 10-15 minutes of player time as opposed to the 20 he use to get.

Kosta is averaging 8/6 and blocking 1.5 shots a game in a similar amount of time. Just as good as Birdman in the dude's prime without the momentum changing ability, and the mistakes. I'd give Bird a nod a few years back because he was awesome but now? Dude's 34 years old. Kosta is 23 years old and having himself an impressive season starting for Denver. Mosgov has talent, mobility too but has got stuck behind Kosta and McGee. All 3 players are better than Birdman, we could offer either one of the 3 for Birdman and the Heat would be like seriously? Deal.

It's not being defensive. Like I said I don't get it. Denver gave him a chance twice. He played a nice little role for awhile, was set to make way more than he should. Denver cut ties and went with the youth. Tons of teams do that. It wasn't a mistake. George Karl? We sit here for days and talk about his mistakes and his handling of players minutes but Birdman wouldn't be included in that.

Fair enough tho. I'm sure teams in the league are really beating themselves up over it.

[Clippersfan86]

My only comment regarding the Nuggets that you showed are "Karl stupidly let him rot". I even said in other posts that no doubt IN GENERAL the Nuggets were good and fair to him but the benching him basically for the last two years was handled poorly.

[GoldNugg21]

My only comment regarding the Nuggets that you showed are "Karl stupidly let him rot". I even said in other posts that no doubt IN GENERAL the Nuggets were good and fair to him but the benching him basically for the last two years was handled poorly.

Except he wasn't benched for anything close to 2 years...

In 10-11, he lost time due to injury but played a standard 15MPG bench role when healthy. Last year, he maintained that role until the team decided to see what the younger centers could do, and was essentially benched for the second half of the season. This ended up coinciding with the legal troubles.

1/2 of a lockout season of benching does not equal 2 years.

[Clippersfan86]

Except he wasn't benched for anything close to 2 years...

In 10-11, he lost time due to injury but played a standard 15MPG bench role when healthy. Last year, he maintained that role until the team decided to see what the younger centers could do, and was essentially benched for the second half of the season. This ended up coinciding with the legal troubles.

1/2 of a lockout season of benching does not equal 2 years.

All I know is... I've consistently seen him rack up DNP's with my own eyes over the last two seasons. I do remember when he was injured and had knee surgery or w/e but when healthy he's had DNP's and in general got shoved to the bottom of the rotation. I'm not being literally when I say he was benched for 2 years as I've already said he's played some. It's more a noticeable role reduction I'm referring to.

He went from a career high 22.5 minutes per game to 16.3 in 2010 and last year was down to 15. That doesn't account for DNP's in there either.

[GoldNugg21]

All I know is... I've consistently seen him rack up DNP's with my own eyes over the last two seasons. I do remember when he was injured and had knee surgery or w/e but when healthy he's had DNP's and in general got shoved to the bottom of the rotation. I'm not being literally when I say he was benched for 2 years as I've already said he's played some. It's more a noticeable role reduction I'm referring to.

He went from a career high 22.5 minutes per game to 16.3 in 2010 and last year was down to 15. That doesn't account for DNP's in there either.

You consistently saw him rack up DNP-CD's at the end of last year. That's it.

Yes, he saw a minute reduction, which went right along with a decrease in usefulness. There's not really anything else to see there.

[daily]

My impression was that his sexual-assault case was making team scared of him. Business people are extremely scared of hiring high profiled people with cases like that.

The case is closed and Birdman is not guilty.This

[Blingster]

He missed the first 10 games of 2010. In December he fell hard on his back ( I was at this game ironically) and missed another 14 games or so

here is a link to the article

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2010-12-07/nuggets-chris-andersen-out-again-with-injury


During this time Nuggets still had Nene, Koufos, and Mozgov.. Nuggets had just signed Koufos to an extension. Nene was a big contract still. I would imagine the ( Karl and staff) were trying to see where the newly acquired Mozgov fit into the rotation. While not "fair" to Bird, I understand why this done.

[Hank]

.

"In a little over a full game's worth of action (52 minutes), Andersen has registered 20 points, 19 rebounds, two blocks and two steals.

If he keeps up his strong play, there might even be a starting job in his future. When Spoelstra was asked whether he could see Andersen eventually starting for the team down the road, the coach said he prefers Andersen coming off the bench.

At least for the time being.

"Right now," Spoelstra said," I like it."

Heat head coach Erik Spoelstra insists that he's not playing Andersen 12-15 minutes a night just to help get him into playing shape.

"I’m not trying to condition him," Spoelstra said. "I’m playing him because he’s helping us."

Spoelstra likes what he's seen so far. The hustle plays. The rebounds from out of nowhere. The coast-to-coast drives. That's not stuff that you're seeing from Udonis Haslem and Anthony. And you'll never see Andersen take a play off.

"He doesn’t save anything," Spoelstra said. "He doesn’t pace himself. He’ll play until his tank is absolutely empty. Or until he passes out."

Spoelstra admitted that he initially wasn't planning to play Andersen until after the All-Star break. The coach wasn't sure how long it would take for Andersen to get conditioned and comfortable in the Heat's schemes. Those concerns are obviously gone now, but Spoelstra expects Andersen to need another six to eight weeks before he's in top shape.

But the thing that has intrigued Spoelstra the most is what he calls the "vertical spacing" that Andersen brings. The idea: Throw the ball up in the air and let Andersen catch it for an easy bucket. Bosh is usually out on the perimeter. Haslem doesn't have the legs or the height to pull that off consistently. Anthony doesn't have the hands to make it worthwhile. But Andersen has that promise.

At Wednesday's shootaround, Spoelstra as well as James, Dwyane Wade, Mario Chalmers and even Ray Allen drilled the lob pass to Andersen over and over. It's what Spoelstra fears the most when playing against athletic big men like Tyson Chandler and Dwight Howard. Now, he's trying it out with Andersen.

“We haven’t had that element before other than Dwyane and LeBron in the fast break," Spoelstra said. "Guys are starting to see it now, but the play is there."

For more:

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/16822/chris-andersen-takes-flight-in-miami

[kurple]

It IS unfair. Birdman was a staple of Nuggets basketball in the Melo era and a HUGE part of that team. So for him to be benched for a couple years for the development of younger players? He should have been traded a couple years ago and handled with a bit more respect from Karl IMO.

I'd love to see the article though.
Birdman was a monster when we picked him up in 08. And deserved the contract the nuggets gave him.

He became OK after he got the new contract. He wasnt horrible, but he didnt do anything special for the team anymore. I dont know why it happened, but it happened.

OFC you give minutes to young, talented big men (who already played just as good), rather than an overpayed player who has been regressing for a while

Birdman did not wind up in the dog house because of the pornstuf. But because of his play, salary and competition


In the interview he was told he was a fan favorite in Denver and said "Really? I was?". As if he could tell they turned their back on him. Good to see Miami embrace him so much.
Birdman knew he was a fan favorite in Denver. The Pepsi Center loved him more than any other player

I love Birdman, but he wasnt ment to be in Denver after his first one or two seasons. I think he could be great for Miami.

[kurple]

and he wasnt traded because no one wanted him.

not saying that teams shouldnt have wanted him

[kurple]

Anderson was proven as a role player. Koufas is inconsistent as shit and Mozgov is a scrub. McGee as it is doesn't get the minutes he should. I mean really Karl is just a poor manager of minutes, that's all it is. I never said he played big minutes... but going from 15-20 MPG to tons of DNP's?
:roll: you can't even spell two of those names and you act like an expert

[brandonislegend]

:roll: you can't even spell two of those names and you act like an expert

Join Date: Jan 2011

Posts: 26,836

He is trying to troll his way to 30k

[kurple]

Join Date: Jan 2011

Posts: 26,836

He is trying to troll his way to 30k
I'm surprised he hasn't hit 30 already

[brandonislegend]

I'm surprised he hasn't hit 30 already

I have been on this forum for 6 years and I feel sometimes I post too much, he has been for 2 years and has 4x more posts than me, I dont even understand how that is possible. Like I really cannot understand how it is possible unless he has multiple people posting on his account 24/7 or he never sleeps.

[Clippersfan86]

Join Date: Jan 2011

Posts: 26,836

He is trying to troll his way to 30k

You really are sad Brandon. Spam this 3 times in every thread I'm in. Weird thing is YOU care about my post count more than me :oldlol: . Don't worry bad boy I'll let you swallow.

[Clippersfan86]

:roll: you can't even spell two of those names and you act like an expert

Joke is on you scrub.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timofey_Mozgov

The guy is on your team and YOU can't even spell his last name right :oldlol: . I didn't spell Koufas right though, shoot me. Automatically means I don't know who he is.

[kurple]

Joke is on you scrub.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timofey_Mozgov

The guy is on your team and YOU can't even spell his last name right :oldlol: . I didn't spell Koufas right though, shoot me. Automatically means I don't know who he is.
You are even more clueless than I thought.

It's andersEn not andersOn. Did I ever specify mozgov?

It's cute that you thought you got me

[Clippersfan86]

You are even more clueless than I thought.

It's andersEn not andersOn. Did I ever specify mozgov?

It's cute that you thought you got me

Again which is completely idiotic. Oh wow... I spelled it with an O not an E... means I don't know much :facepalm . The fact that YOU think you got me by pointing out a misspelling of a name is even more cute.

It's the internet bro, spelling isn't that serious. But yes I assumed you were speaking of Mozgov considering every Nuggets fan I've seen here spells his name Mosgov.

[kurple]

Again which is completely idiotic. Oh wow... I spelled it with an O not an E... means I don't know much :facepalm . The fact that YOU think you got me by pointing out a misspelling of a name is even more cute.

It's the internet bro, spelling isn't that serious.
:roll:

Your posts prove you don't know hit about birdman, Karl, koufos or the nuggets in general

Your spelling makes it even more obvious

[kurple]

Again which is completely idiotic. Oh wow... I spelled it with an O not an E... means I don't know much :facepalm . The fact that YOU think you got me by pointing out a misspelling of a name is even more cute.

It's the internet bro, spelling isn't that serious.
:roll:

Your posts prove you don't know shit about birdman, Karl, koufos or the nuggets in general

Your spelling makes it even more obvious

[niko]

He's never going to start, if he plays too much he will break down. He also was a headache for them, even if he's not guilty getting investigated for underage contact during the playoffs is not what you are looking for in role players. Which is what he is.

He'll be hurt by April and these topics will seem stupid.

And note he was not a big part of Denver's rotation. That's just wrong.

[Nash]

You have to remember this, if you are a big, your status becomes inflated when you play for Miami. They ask so little of you that its kinda difficult to look bad. Just know how to defend, know how to control the ball if you get it and set some picks for Lebron, Wade and Bosh. That's that.