Zach Randolph frustrated in Memphis

[Clippersfan86]

www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/2/6/3960212/zach-randolph-memphis-grizzlies-offense-lionel-hollins


Zach Randolph got exactly one shot in the fourth quarter. This on a night when he looked more like his own self, going for 21 points and 13 rebounds.

Why?

"That's what coach wants," said Randolph. "Our game is pick-and-roll now."


Reports coming out of Memphis right now are that team chemistry is compromised since the trades and that Randolph is now unhappy as well. Not to mention reports saying Zbo is being shopped and will likely be traded by the deadline.



John Hollinger is a fu**ing dipshit who has no business around basketball teams. Despite the recent rivalry that was forming I genuinely feel sorry that Memphis fans are having to deal with this bullshit. I was really enjoying the idea of a long term rivalry :( :mad: .

[cotdt]

Congrats to John Hollinger who instantly destroyed a championship contending franchise.

[BlackVVaves]

Hollinger :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[Pushxx]

I ****ing hate PER.

Completely arbitrarily-weighted statistic that doesn't actually tell you shitttttt. Every time someone uses PER to compare players I :facepalm.

And yes, Memphis' bright future is screwed.

[Droid101]

I ****ing hate PER.

Completely arbitrarily-weighted statistic that doesn't actually tell you shitttttt. Every time someone uses PER to compare players I :facepalm.

And yes, Memphis' bright future is screwed.
It accurately predicted Jeremy Linsanity last season. He had a great per in like 5 minutes per game. Given minutes, he produced great numbers until his injury.

Now, would I run an NBA franchise with PER as the main premise? **** no.

[Rekindled]

Zbo for gasol?

[b1imtf]

Zbo for gasol?
:lol

[Pushxx]

It accurately predicted Jeremy Linsanity last season. He had a great per in like 5 minutes per game. Given minutes, he produced great numbers until his injury.

Now, would I run an NBA franchise with PER as the main premise? **** no.

You can't put stock in any number that is an individual's chosen weight on a variety of statistics. It's crazy to do so.

Just because it highly valued a player that ended up performing better with more minutes doesn't prove its validity in the slightest.

"The greatest lesson in life is to know that even fools are right sometimes." -Winston Churchill

It's not even a statistic.

[Clippersfan86]

Zbo for gasol?

Zbo, Kobe, Dwight and Artest all in the same locker room. That would be awesome :lol . I can already see Zbo calling Dwight a punk bitch and punching him in the face.

[cotdt]

Zbo for gasol?

Get it done, Mitch.

[maybeshewill13]

Z-Bo coming to OKC for Perkins, PJ3 and Toronto pick :rockon:

GOATbrook
Sefolosha
Durant
Ibaka
Z-Bo

GG league :bowdown:

[Clippersfan86]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/21656372/grizzlies-chemistry-in-flux-as-zach-randolph-trade-rumors-emerge

[Blue&Orange]

It accurately predicted Jeremy Linsanity last season. He had a great per in like 5 minutes per game. Given minutes, he produced great numbers until his injury.

lol wut, link please!

Lin was horrible, horrible, horrible, in his 5 minutes stints. It's virtually impossible for him to have had even average per.

[usa hoops]

It will be tragic if this franchise starts to fall apart. They really have a good shot of being an elite team.

[usa hoops]

Z-Bo coming to OKC for Perkins, PJ3 and Toronto pick :rockon:

GOATbrook
Sefolosha
Durant
Ibaka
Z-Bo

GG league :bowdown:

If that happens, give them the trophy right now.

[Shepseskaf]

Well, that's one championship contender fallen by the wayside.

What can they get back for ZBo?

[ncrizzle]

Bayless went 11-15 for 29pts last night on these pick n rolls. Coach went with the hot hand. Turn overs lost the game last night. If it's a w instead of an l this frustration goes out the Window. Of course chemistry is off. 5 new players. Zbo still had 21pts last night. He's just whining. And the trade rumors are just that.

[gasolina]

This is nuts. Didn't see the Suns game at all but our best P&R is with Conley and Gasol. With Gasol in foul trouble, I could understand Zbo's frustration why they just didn't go to him at the post.

**** Hollinger if they trade Zbo.

[brandonislegend]

Why do you make so many threads about other teams, you should worry about yours what are you guys 2-9 in the last 11.

[FKAri]

I doubt Hollinger has anythihng to do with the team's problems. The team's problems stem from the FO wanting to cut costs and shed salary. Simple as that.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Z-Bo coming to OKC for Perkins, PJ3 and Toronto pick :rockon:

GOATbrook
Sefolosha
Durant
Ibaka
Z-Bo

GG league :bowdown:

They would definitely be able to push Miami to at least 6 games this time

[ncrizzle]

Not to mention zbos offense the past month has been garbage. He's been battling back problems. He had scored a combined 29pts the last 3 games until last night. He's just pissed about a loss. With Gay gone he will be getting plenty of more touches.


Also, Jason Levien, not Hollinger, is the one pulling the strings

[SilkkTheShocker]

Bayless went 11-15 for 29pts last night on these pick n rolls. Coach went with the hot hand. Turn overs lost the game last night. If it's a w instead of an l this frustration goes out the Window. Of course chemistry is off. 5 new players. Zbo still had 21pts last night. He's just whining. And the trade rumors are just that.

Do you know how f.ucking stupid you sound right now? Do you not realize the Grizzlies are cheap f.ucks that don't care about winning?

[2LeTTeRS]

I doubt Hollinger has anythihng to do with the team's problems. The team's problems stem from the FO wanting to cut costs and shed salary. Simple as that.

Completely agree with this. I don't get why its so hard for casual fans to comprehend that the motivation for all the moves in Memphis is the owner wanted to cut costs, which wouldn't be so bad if the team had no chance of winning but his team was a true contender.

All in all Robert Pera has surpassed Robert Sarver in Phoenix as most clueless owner in basketball.

[ncrizzle]

Do you know how f.ucking stupid you sound right now? Do you not realize the Grizzlies are cheap f.ucks that don't care about winning?

Would you pay 18milllion+ a year to someone posting 17ppg on 40%? Rudy was getting traded after this year no matter what. He has a player on option for his last year. Meaning that if he stayed until the end of the season he could only have possibly 1 year on his contract which would be much less valuable to a team being traded to. They traded him when he had his most value. You are the idiot here. Keep trolling

[Scoooter]

Why is John Hollinger getting shit on? Z-Bo seems to be putting the blame on Lionel Hollins's shoulders.

[mjokc]

Why do you make so many threads about other teams, you should worry about yours what are you guys 2-9 in the last 11.

THIS....

CF86 is the worst poster on ISH, period.

[Blingster]

I guess what I don't understand about Memphis is why they did all these trades now? Why not give the current group ( before trades) a shot at winning? this way the 3 to 1 Luxury tax would not yet be effective. I believe that Memphis had just as good of a shot at winning the West as OKC. Now that is shot to hell, and I doubt that the fallout has reached it's peak with this team..

On the bright side of things, with them losing, it can only help my Nuggets to get HCA in the playoffs :D

Still a tragedy to see such a good team be gutted by it's owners. The perils of being a small market team.

[2LeTTeRS]

Why do you make so many threads about other teams, you should worry about yours what are you guys 2-9 in the last 11.

Why are you complaining, this is indisputably better than the board being filled with the same repetitive Laker BS that we've dealt with all season. People on this board will bitch about anything.

[Clippersfan86]

Why do you make so many threads about other teams, you should worry about yours what are you guys 2-9 in the last 11.

Most ironic post of the year. Your Lakers aren't even a .500 team yet you're constantly picking apart the Clippers and players on other teams :applause: . Clippers won more games in one month than the Lakers had in 2.5 months. As for worrying... this is newsworthy and everybody obviously wants to talk about it so who cares :biggums: .

[brandonislegend]

Most ironic post of the year. Your Lakers aren't even a .500 team yet you're constantly picking apart the Clippers and players on other teams :applause: . Clippers won more games in one month than the Lakers had in 2.5 months. As for worrying... this is newsworthy and everybody obviously wants to talk about it so who cares :biggums: .

Lakers are playing well, Clippers going down like your mom atm.

[Clippersfan86]

Why are you complaining, this is indisputably better than the board being filled with the same repetitive Laker BS that we've dealt with all season. People on this board will bitch about anything.

Anything with the name Clippersfan86 or Russell Westbrook brings out his Brenda personality. If let's say you had made this thread instead of me he would be talking about how it was a great thread :rolleyes: .

[brandonislegend]

Anything with the name Clippersfan86 or Russell Westbrook brings out his Brenda personality. If let's say you had made this thread instead of me he would be talking about how it was a great thread :rolleyes: .

I think it's more funny we have missed Dwight, Pau, Nash for time and you dont take that into account. But you always bring up your are missing scrub billups coming off injury and shot 36% before injury :roll:

[Clippersfan86]

Lakers are playing well, Clippers going down like your mom atm.

If beating lottery teams by less than 5 points during this stretch impresses you, good for you. The Clippers were beating a lot of those same teams by an AVERAGE of 16 ppg for an entire month.

Your team is 3.5 games back from the EIGHTH seed after being hyped as champions before the season started. Crazy thing to me is the Clippers can lose 9 of 11 and STILL be 10.5 games ahead of the Lakers despite the Lakers winning what 7 of the last 9 or so?

Point is... take your own shitty advice kid.

[chips93]

I doubt Hollinger has anythihng to do with the team's problems. The team's problems stem from the FO wanting to cut costs and shed salary. Simple as that.

this is the best post in the thread, and really ought to be acknowledged

[Clippersfan86]

Hollinger is only a part of it but he shouldn't be let off the hook. Multiple sources out of Memphis said Hollinger was given free reigns and was the guy who pulled off the Rudy Gay trade and pushed the idea to the front office.

So sure a new, cheap owner is the root problem but Hollinger has been involved in all of these decisions as well.

[maybeshewill13]

They would definitely be able to push Miami to at least 6 games this time
Boring troll :sleeping

[G-train]

Grizz are ahead of the game.

[Michael_Wilbon]

If beating lottery teams by less than 5 points during this stretch impresses you, good for you. The Clippers were beating a lot of those same teams by an AVERAGE of 16 ppg for an entire month.

Your team is 3.5 games back from the EIGHTH seed after being hyped as champions before the season started. Crazy thing to me is the Clippers can lose 9 of 11 and STILL be 10.5 games ahead of the Lakers despite the Lakers winning what 7 of the last 9 or so?

Point is... take your own shitty advice kid.

I'm starting to think that BrandonIsAPhackit wants your ***** in his mouth.

[Clippersfan86]

I'm starting to think that BrandonIsAPhackit wants your ***** in his mouth.

I honestly wonder the same. He's still following me into every thread trying to derail it after a year now or so.

[Michael_Wilbon]

I honestly wonder the same. He's still following me into every thread trying to derail it after a year now or so.

He's a Laker fan? He just mad :banana:

[brandonislegend]

I honestly wonder the same. He's still following me into every thread trying to derail it after a year now or so.

You have 30k posts in less than 2 years, you are in every thread.

[Clippersfan86]

He's a Laker fan? He just mad :banana:

So he says. Spends more time trolling other teams though so hard to tell.

[chips93]

Hollinger is only a part of it but he shouldn't be let off the hook. Multiple sources out of Memphis said Hollinger was given free reigns and was the guy who pulled off the Rudy Gay trade and pushed the idea to the front office.

So sure a new, cheap owner is the root problem but Hollinger has been involved in all of these decisions as well.

link?

i havent seen anything saying hollinger had 'free reign'

everything i have heard, even from wojo (who clearly has a personal problem with hollinger), said in his piece that it was a cost-cutting move.

[Clippersfan86]

link?

i havent seen anything saying hollinger had 'free reign'

everything i have heard, even from wojo (who clearly has a personal problem with hollinger), said in his piece that it was a cost-cutting move.

Wojo called Hollinger the DRIVING FORCE of the Rudy Gay trade. Flat out said Wallace had nothing to do with the deal. He's a good enough of a source with his track record and others reiterated it.

[Artillery]

Congrats to John Hollinger who instantly destroyed a championship contending franchise.

They were never a contender in the first place. They reached the 2nd round ONCE(in their entire franchise history) a few years ago after playing an injured Spurs team.

[brandonislegend]

Join Date: Jan 2011

Posts: 26,778

How can anyone avoid you when you post more than 20 people combined a day

[Clippersfan86]

Join Date: Jan 2011

Posts: 26,778

How can anyone avoid you when you post more than 20 people combined a day

I love how every time you get called out for your relentless stupidity you spam my post count. I see it every day... you think that hurts my feelings somehow :lol :lol ?

[Artillery]

Why is John Hollinger getting shit on?

Seriously. Blame the retards that used to work in the Memphis front office. Rudy Gay never should have received that kind of contract in the first place. At least the Grizzlies have corrected most of their cap problems now.

[Clippersfan86]

Seriously. Blame the retards that use to work in the Memphis front office. Rudy Gay never should have received that kind of contract in the first place. At least the Grizzlies have corrected most of their cap problems now.

At what cost? Memphis if they trade Zach is going to return to a non playoff team or low playoff seed at best. A core of Conley, Prince, Gasol and some depth isn't good enough to do jack shit in the cutthroat west.

[chips93]

sorry, i cant keep track, why exactly are you guys assuming memphis is gonna trade z-bo?

he had one fourth quarter where he didnt get enough touches, is there anything else?

any link?

[Artillery]

At what cost? Memphis if they trade Zach is going to return to a non playoff team or low playoff seed at best. A core of Conley, Prince, Gasol and some depth isn't good enough to do jack shit in the cutthroat west.

Randolph won't be traded. Rudy Gay produced garbage at an extravagant cost. The previously built Memphis team was just an expensive 2nd round exit. Would have been a waste of everybody's time if they went further with that group.

[zac]

Sorry for the huge wall of text:

Guys please stop commenting on this if you have no idea what's going on in Memphis.

This story is not about Hollinger or any of the front office. It's about Lionel Hollins acting like a baby. He is the most stubborn person I've ever seen and I used to respect him a ton for it but now it's just getting very annoying. The new owners haven't given him an extension yet and I don't blame them. It's their money, they can do what they want. He is just as likely to get it at the end of the season rather than in the middle.

Hollins has always been a defensive minded coach who plays inside out, through his bigs since day 1. Rudy Gay was a ball stopping wing player who was shooting a career low in FG% and the team was the leagues worst in 4th quarter scoring. Gay was also on a horrible contract that would have been traded regardless of who the owner was. Now all of the sudden Hollins is playing the martyr. He's openly taking shots at the front office (which I dismissed at first), basketball analyitics, etc. They traded away the ball stoppers and surrounded him with the exact players that should fit into the system he wants to play. Spot up shooters to spread the floor when the big guys get doubled down on.

Z-bo was rolling last night and had 21/13 with only 1 shot in the 4th because that's how Hollins called it. He decided to be a pick and roll team to piss off the new front office. He also suddenly decided to complain about not having enough big guys or true centers on the team. Speight was a 6'10" PF who had enough weight to play C and Holliins hated playing Haddadi (barely played 85 minutes last year TOTAL). Now we have Ed Davis (a 6'11" PF/C who loves playing back to the basket and blocks shots), Darrell Arthur who is really a 6'9" PF who Hollins had no trouble playing at C until these trades happened (look back at the 2011 playoffs Z-bo/Gasol/Arthur were the big rotation) and they have Jon Leuer who can spread the floor and defend decently enough. It's not like Speights was ever known for his defense either. By the way, Speights approved the trade to Cleveland (he had to approve any trade) because Arthur was getting all the minutes at back up PF AND C. Memphis writers were saying last night that Z-bo was more upset than they've seen him after a game, because Hollins refused to look to him to score when it was working. Hollins has always been known to play favorites and most of the time it's worked out.

The fact is, the front office surrounded Hollins with the best players for his type of system (again refer back to the 2011 playoff run) and he's complaining about it for no legitimate reason. Of course Rudy Gay is better than Prince but that was never the case. Just from 2 games alone, Prince has already shown he understands exactly his role and WANTS to be a role player and get everyone involved. Rudy wanted to be the Alpha dog and that isn't how this team was built.

Hollins hated Vasquez because he was slow but didn't want an undersized back up PG, Tony Wroten is 6'5" with insane court vision yet Hollins refuses to play him. The front office said they felt like the first trade was more like trading for Wroten (i.e. forcing Hollins to play him). Hollins wanted defensive minded players who can score when needed but defer to the bigs so they Prince. He wanted Mayo to embrace the 6th man scoring role, so they signed Bayless. He wanted to work through the bigs and they need guys who can knock down outside shots so they bring in Chris Johnson, Tayshaun Prince, Austin Daye, etc (all shooting 40%+ from 3pt). He chewed Speights and Haddadi out on defensive rotations on the regular so they bring in Ed Davis and now he says there are no minutes or legit size behind Gasol. It's all BS and Hollins acting like a child not getting his way.


tl;dr
Kelly Dwyer nails everything in here more eloquently than I can and all the Memphis radio guys/beat writers are agreeing with him.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/lionel-hollins-still-complaining-roster-given-212758807--nba.html

[shady6121]

Zbo, Kobe, Dwight and Artest all in the same locker room. That would be awesome :lol . I can already see Zbo calling Dwight a punk bitch and punching him in the face.

:lol

[chips93]

Wojo called Hollinger the DRIVING FORCE of the Rudy Gay trade. Flat out said Wallace had nothing to do with the deal. He's a good enough of a source with his track record and others reiterated it.

this is the only mention of hollinger in the entire article


Levien is making these deals based largely on the recommendations of John Hollinger, a statistician who worked for a cable sports company. The San Antonio Spurs once used him as a consultant and regretfully took his advice to sign a free agent named Jackie Butler. It was such a disaster, the Spurs had to attach Luis Scola to a trade to get Butler out of town.

and this is what the very reputable wojo says about pera;


James has helped to make it so profitable to be an NBA owner that Robert Pera bought the Grizzlies, hired a front office of novices, ran out a successful scouting staff and began to unload genuine assets for pennies on the dollar.


Before trading Gay, Memphis had already moved under the tax threshold with a trade last week. It could've waited until the summer to move its star and made one more run in the Western Conference. But winning isn't a priority for Pera.


Pera bought into a great time in the NBA, where the genius talents of the sport's biggest stars can fund his revenue-sharing checks in Memphis. Why did they have a lockout? Well, LeBron, this is why: Two stars per team and guaranteed profits for the owners. Make no mistake, James has everything to do with those transformations of the modern NBA.

For now, it won't be long until James makes a choice in 2014 that will leave him with far fewer assurances on his future than arriving in Miami did in 2010. Whatever LeBron James does, wherever he goes, just understand he makes it easy for the freeloading Robert Peras of the NBA.

sounds a lot to me like wojo thinks the new owner, robert pera, is the catalyst for memphis' moves

[Clippersfan86]

this is the only mention of hollinger in the entire article



and this is what the very reputable wojo says about pera;







sounds a lot to me like wojo thinks the new owner, robert pera, is the catalyst for memphis' moves

Making the trades LARGELY ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF HOLLINGER. Everything else is rumor and speculation but nonetheless it's not surprising. Like I said the owner is the root of it... but Hollinger no doubt has his hands in some of this.

[chips93]

i dunno, from the article it really seems like none of these problems would be here if it werent for pera

[Clippersfan86]

i dunno, from the article it really seems like none of these problems would be here if it werent for pera

I agree which is why I called him the root :cheers: . If ownership doesn't change I doubt they even hire Hollinger to begin with.

[mjokc]

I feel really bad for CF86, he clearly has a huge void in his life that he uses ISH to replace.

[niko]

I'm not a Hollinger fan but he was hired to get the team under the cap while being "competitive". That's his job. He can't keep players when you are hired to get rid of them.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Join Date: Jan 2011

Posts: 26,778

How can anyone avoid you when you post more than 20 people combined a day


It might have something to do with him being f.ucking loser.

[Grinder]

www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/2/6/3960212/zach-randolph-memphis-grizzlies-offense-lionel-hollins


Zach Randolph got exactly one shot in the fourth quarter. This on a night when he looked more like his own self, going for 21 points and 13 rebounds.

Why?

"That's what coach wants," said Randolph. "Our game is pick-and-roll now."


Reports coming out of Memphis right now are that team chemistry is compromised since the trades and that Randolph is now unhappy as well. Not to mention reports saying Zbo is being shopped and will likely be traded by the deadline.



John Hollinger is a fu**ing dipshit who has no business around basketball teams. Despite the recent rivalry that was forming I genuinely feel sorry that Memphis fans are having to deal with this bullshit. I was really enjoying the idea of a long term rivalry :( :mad: .


Poor CF86, he was really enjoying the idea of a long term rivalry :(


...until the Grizzlies who were apparently "so much worse without Rudy Gay" eliminated his Clippers :roll:

[Heavincent]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Burgz V2]

at times like these I wish he were still active

...so that he could have another meltdown

[deja vu]

:biggums:

[mjokc]

at times like these I wish he were still active

...so that he could have another meltdown

This, dude needs to be unbanned just so that he can have another meltdown then be banned again. :roll:

[ripthekik]

It might have something to do with him being f.ucking loser.
since when was silkk banned again :roll: