So Boston is 5-0 since Rondo out for the season

[DuMa]

How is this possible again? They have beaten the champs but also played some really shitty teams like the clippers without cp3 and raptors/kings/magic

Is Rondo really that good or were the rest of the celtics simply a bad fit for him for the first half of the season?

[cotdt]

Lakers will crush them.

[Budadiiii]

I'm always right.


He's the most overrated player in the league.

[Harison]

Other players stepping up, plus Rondo never was Celtics best player.

[Fudge]

A huge injury to one of your best players happen, other players step up. Just look at Chicago.

[outbreak]

wait for the play offs, every yeah people talk crap about rondo and every year he's a play offs beast. The kid knows when to turn it on.

[DaSeba5]

They are probably extra motivated that people wrote them off when Rondo went down

[miller-time]

Lakers will crush them.

Yes because that is what we are talking about.

[Budadiiii]

Other players stepping up, plus Rondo never was Celtics best player.
This. At his peak he was only the 3rd best player on the Celtics. The guy somehow got incredibly overrated. Hopefully this situation brings him way back down to where he should be labeled and discussed. He is NOT an elite player.

[R.I.P.]

He was ball-hogging and stat whoring and all the other quality guards didn

[Y2Gezee]

Meh.....blow it up while as they show their trade value.

I mean Ainge would be an idiot to not start rebuilding this team right now with this Rondo excuse.

[Big Cheese]

rondo's impact has always been overrated. KG has always been the celtics most important/most impactful player and you can argue that pierce is the 2nd.

[imdaman99]

hes a stat-whore. he stole stats from pierce and kg and made them look like role players. same shit lebron does. except lebron won a championship stealing stats, so no problem in him doing that. now that rondo is out, the pierces and kgs can go back to getting the ball and able to create their own shots. rondo extremely overrated. great numbers, but doesnt really make the team that much better.

[Harison]

rondo's impact has always been overrated. KG has always been the celtics most important/most impactful player and you can argue that pierce is the 2nd.

True. When KG is on the bench, Celtics are by far the worst team in NBA, worse than Bobcats (!), even with Rondo on the floor. With KG playing, Celtics are actually good Playoffs team with Top3 defense.

[DuMa]

rondo's impact has always been overrated. KG has always been the celtics most important/most impactful player and you can argue that pierce is the 2nd.

i was gonna say this but i wanted you guys to figure this out for yourselves :D

[PJR]

Better flow and natural ball movement without the assist padder. They still aren't doing shit, though.

[Artillery]

Volume assist point guards are overrated. Especially those offensively inept ones like Rondo. Always laughed at the dumbass Boston fans that keep saying he's better than Parker and on the same level as Chris Paul.

[D-Wade316]

rondo's impact has always been overrated. KG has always been the celtics most important/most impactful player and you can argue that pierce is the 2nd.
QFT

[bdreason]

Rondo is a great player.




Rondo ball isn't a great system.

[no pun intended]

I'm always right.


He's the most overrated player in the league.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=289508

[ProfessorMurder]

So this is what it's going to be like for the rest of the year? The Bulls are playing really well without Rose and you don't see these threads. The Celtics were UNDERACHIEVING when Rondo was playing. They had 9 new guys this year and Doc didn't set lineups right since Bradley was missing. He was throwing guys in and out of the starting lineup. Now they look improved when they're playing AVERAGE ball and people aren't worried about playing time.

1. Other teams have still been prepping for a Celtics team with Rondo as the starting PG. Game plans will adjust to better play the team. About 5 games from now teams will play them much differently.

2. Other players are pulling together and finally playing more like a team, because two of their guys went down. A sign of solidarity and emotion they were lacking. There were chemistry issues and rumors of people having bad attitudes before this.

3. They beat the Heat, Kings, Magic, Clippers, and Raptors. Kings, Magic, and Raptors are garbage, Clippers had no CP3, and they still had Sully and didn't know about Rondo during the Heat game. None of those victories really mean anything in my opinion.

4. They move the ball a lot more without Rondo, but the amount of mistakes are significantly higher. So it looks smoother, but really isn't better. There is no one I would trust to handle ball against tough defense. Bradley, Lee, Terry, and Barbosa aren't PGs. Pierce can't do it either because he's lost a step and can't get by anyone.

5. Doc is finally playing Barbosa.

6. Without Rondo and Sullinger the team will be even worse at rebounding. The team is 29th in rebounding... And Rondo (4th on team) and Sully (3rd on team) combine for 29% of the rebounds. They will be the worst rebounding team in the league by far, and lose games purely on that alone.

7. The team looks better in a half court set because Rondo is more suited for running, and the set up of the offense and way the team is built isn't conducive to running. Rondo would thrive on a fast breaking team like the way the Rockets are playing.

8. Jeff Green, Terry, and Barbosa are putting up about 32 combined ppg these last 5 games. Rondo alone put up about 36 ppg if you combine points and assists.

9. Bass is averaging 5 less points and 1.2 less rebounds this year.


Rondo is a great player no matter what way to try and shake it.

[chazzy]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=277370

[Celtic_Pride]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=277370

Celtics guard rotation - Arguably the best in the League
Celtics big men rotation - One of the worst in the league

So the +/- isn't a true indicator of your point.

The defense and ball movement is looking good right now without Rondo but believe it won't last for long.

[Rondo]

http://i.imgur.com/RlAJAPf.jpg

Overrated ball hogger who's impact is clearly detrimental to the team... clearly.

[Artillery]

http://i.imgur.com/RlAJAPf.jpg

Overrated ball hogger who's impact is clearly detrimental to the team... clearly.

This season, the Celtics offense and defense has been better with him OFF the court:

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/1558/rondowd.jpg

[no pun intended]

http://i.imgur.com/RlAJAPf.jpg

Overrated ball hogger who's impact is clearly detrimental to the team... clearly.
Hi Rondo!

[Celtic_Pride]

This season, the Celtics offense and defense has been better with him OFF the court:

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/1558/rondowd.jpg

This season is totally on Doc Rivers. He thoroughly failed in implementing new players into the lineup. Took a ton of games to experiment and get the right lineups ultimately costing many games.

He tried that Ray Allen offense with Terry coming off screens to catch and shoot which is clearly not his game and Terry failed miserably in that!

[SyRyanYang]

http://i.imgur.com/RlAJAPf.jpg

Overrated ball hogger who's impact is clearly detrimental to the team... clearly.
says Rondo:lol

[Mr. Incredible]

hes a stat-whore. he stole stats from pierce and kg and made them look like role players. same shit lebron does. except lebron won a championship stealing stats, so no problem in him doing that. now that rondo is out, the pierces and kgs can go back to getting the ball and able to create their own shots. rondo extremely overrated. great numbers, but doesnt really make the team that much better.
My God, when will it stop? Melo goes iso way more than LeBron and shoots plenty of more shots than James . LeBron is the most efficient player in the game. Miami wants Boston to get the #8 seed. Miami isn't worried about Boston, whatsoever.

[Force]

They are probably extra motivated that people wrote them off when Rondo went down

People wrote them off when Rondo was healthy but I hear you.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

I've not liked the offense at all this year and I wouldn't have said that's all on Rondo. We look a little better now there's more movement in the offense but last night we needed Garnett's 4th best scoring night as a Celtic player to get past the freaking Raptors. Lee, Barbosa and Green have upped their scoring which is great, but probably won't last.

imo we should be using the rest of this season to improve Avery with his added responsibilities and begin grooming Green for the starting spot by giving him more plays. If we can trade Pierce and KG for worthwhile pieces (unlikely), then do that, if not let them have another crack next year. Maybe shut them down with bullshit injuries to tank, if you want to go all out.

[albas89]

My God, when will it stop? Melo goes iso way more than LeBron and shoots plenty of more shots than James . LeBron is the most efficient player in the game. Miami wants Boston to get the #8 seed. Miami isn't worried about Boston, whatsoever.
No, they don't want Boston. They don't really care either, but saying they WANT Boston makes u sound like an idiot...

[CeltsGarlic]

I dont want to even think what gonna happen in playoffs without rondo. My all this season hopes where that Rajon gonna step up big( like always) in PO and we will prove everyone wrong, like always. But now, its not the same. KG cant keep scoring like hes 25.. I still think were 2 best team in the east in PO, and with rondo we would be a little bit behind heat...

[BlackWhiteGreen]

I dont want to even think what gonna happen in playoffs without rondo. My all this season hopes where that Rajon gonna step up big( like always) in PO and we will prove everyone wrong, like always. But now, its not the same. KG cant keep scoring like hes 25.. I still think were 2 best team in the east in PO, and with rondo we would be a little bit behind heat...

Nah we aren't. 6th at best I think with no Rondo or Sullinger.

[JohnnySic]

They are a great team even without Rondo and Sully, and now they are playing to their potential.

[Euroleague]

These pass only point guards that can't shoot, like Rondo and Rubio, are incredibly overrated.

At some point though, people are going to realize how overrated and overvalued they are.

[nathanjizzle]

yes, good teams without there superstar can beat mediocre teams. however, there not beating good teams without there superstar. example you ask?

against top 8 teams in the league

d rose
full healthy season 2010-11
14-7

2011-12
semi healthy season
9-6

2012-13
d rose out for the year
4-6

[No_Look604]

hes a stat-whore. he stole stats from pierce and kg and made them look like role players. same shit lebron does. except lebron won a championship stealing stats, so no problem in him doing that. now that rondo is out, the pierces and kgs can go back to getting the ball and able to create their own shots. rondo extremely overrated. great numbers, but doesnt really make the team that much better.


You sir are a legend for that third sentence.

[Rolando]

I think they are playing more freely now. All those new pieces were having are hard time picking up on the system. Now that the system (Rondo) is gone, they get to develop their own style and chemistry. There certainly still is a shitload of talent on the team.

Now if only we could re-insert Rondo just before the playoffs...would take a miracle and perhaps some steroids and HGH.....Do it Rondo!:D

[JohnnySic]

I think they are playing more freely now. All those new pieces were having are hard time picking up on the system. Now that the system (Rondo) is gone, they get to develop their own style and chemistry. There certainly still is a shitload of talent on the team.
Correct; Rondo's injury alleviated the logjam in the backcourt. Now Lee, Barbosa, and Terry are getting more pt and finally finding their grooves.

[teddytwelvetoes]

Volume assist point guards are overrated. Especially those offensively inept ones like Rondo. Always laughed at the dumbass Boston fans that keep saying he's better than Parker and on the same level as Chris Paul.CP3 is never winning a championship homie :roll:

[tmacattack33]

wait for the play offs, every yeah people talk crap about rondo and every year he's a play offs beast. The kid knows when to turn it on.

Yup, like this Boston team's only championship when Rondo had to be replaced by Eddie House because his horrible shooting became an offensive liability for Boston, allowing LA essentially to play 5 on 4 whenever Boston had the ball because nobody had to guard Rondo. :roll:

[BlackWhiteGreen]

Yup, like this Boston team's only championship when Rondo had to be replaced by Eddie House because his horrible shooting became an offensive liability for Boston, allowing LA essentially to play 5 on 4 whenever Boston had the ball because nobody had to guard Rondo. :roll:

Oh, it's still 2008, right? Kobe won't ever win a title without Shaq!

[TAZORAC]

Barbaosa and Terry have gotten more playing time sense Rondo has been out and they together bring more offense then Rondo which is what the Celtics need.

[Clifton]

How is this possible again?
Because Rondo's merely an above-average player who has always been a poor fit on the Celtics offensively? He turned Paul Pierce and KG into spot up shooters. How anyone could think he was an essential offensive piece to that team is beyond me.

I mean they won't continue undefeated forever, and they have a lot of holes, but Rondo doesn't fill any of them.

[miller-time]

Lakers will crush them.

How did that go?

[Glide2keva]

Rondo = Overrated, right?

[CelticBaller]

I don't care if the guy is overrated as long as we are winning :banana:

[Draz]

Teams can either adjust well when an important player goes down or not, in this case BOS is doing great. They played marvelous today btw.

[Wally450]

All of Boston's guys are stepping up after everyone said they'd be nothing without Rondo.

[creepingdeath]

Lakers will crush them.
http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/371/430/f8e.gif

[veilside23]

as much as i am happy that the celtics are winning it would be a miracle if boston gets pass the 2nd round without rondo ... over rated ? rondo ? get the hell outta here.... just look at chicago does that mean that drose is overrated too?

thats why basketball is a team game even jordan left the bulls that team without mj was still ECF contenders.. so does that mean mj is overrated too??

damn these kids .... when will you ever learn that basketball is a team sport...

[andremiller07]

While I don't think for a second that Boston is better without Rondo its funny how some posters work.

When the Raptors win without Andrei Barngani its cause hes a cancer
When the Hawks win without Josh Smith its cause hes a cancer
When the Wolves were winning without Love its cause hes a stat padder
Yet when the Celtics go 6-0 without Rondo its cause everyone else stepped up

You can't have it both ways, none of the teams are better without a decent/good player they currently have yet the same poster will label one a cancer and not the other under the same circumstances :facepalm

[therammingman]

rondo? more like rondont.

[PP34Deuce]

as much as i am happy that the celtics are winning it would be a miracle if boston gets pass the 2nd round without rondo ... over rated ? rondo ? get the hell outta here.... just look at chicago does that mean that drose is overrated too?

thats why basketball is a team game even jordan left the bulls that team without mj was still ECF contenders.. so does that mean mj is overrated too??

damn these kids .... when will you ever learn that basketball is a team sport...

I think BOS has players that are secondary transition players and thats the right pace to play with this team. Pierce and KG have carried the offense High low and its been effective...The X factor has always been Jeff Green..If green can give us 16 and 6-7 rebounds with adequate defense, this team can match up with people in the east.

I also think we aren't beating MIA,CHI, or pacers(Though I think it would be a 6-7 game series). I think the guys are motivated to not being that 7-8 spot.

[pegasus]

My Bulls were also winning last year without Rose in the regular season (and this year too), but we saw what happened in the 1st round.

Rondo always ups his game in the playoffs, and they'll surely miss him. They still have a ton of talent to make it to the ECF on a semi-epic run.

[PP34Deuce]

My Bulls were also winning last year without Rose in the regular season (and this year too), but we saw what happened in the 1st round.

Rondo always ups his game in the playoffs, and they'll surely miss him. They still have a ton of talent to make it to the ECF on a semi-epic run.

I trust Doc as a coach in the playoffs over every team not named Bulls, MIA and maybe Indy.

BOS can beat both NY teams, and this Philly team constructed as is can be beat.

[tmacattack33]

Boston probably feels pretty nice offensively without having to play 4 on 5 like they had to do when Rondo was out there and the defense didn't even have to guard him beyond 10 feet from the basket.

And they may not even miss his defense that much either because Avery Bradley can guard the opposing team's best perimeter player and does it better than Rondo.

[PP34Deuce]

Boston probably feels pretty nice offensively without having to play 4 on 5 like they had to do when Rondo was out there and the defense didn't even have to guard him beyond 10 feet from the basket.

And they may not even miss his defense that much either because Avery Bradley can guard the opposing team's best perimeter player and does it better than Rondo.


We average more turnovers now which will bite the team in the butt in games but the spacing is much better like you stated.