Ok, LeBron(3 time MVP) is having his best season but Durant is a clear MVP favorite

[Human Error]

LeBron has won 3 MVP's in his career and 2013 LeBron is playing better than any previous MVP winning LeBron. Yet we ISH view Durant as a heavy favorite to win MVP this year, maybe that's because 2013 Durant is better than any LeBron. Let's discuss.

[raprap]

OP's name is fitting.

[Doranku]

Da ****?

Durant has zero case over LeBron for MVP. None. Zilch.

People on this forum like to say "MVP is a two man race between LeBron and Durant", which is nonsense. LeBron will win another unanimous MVP just like 2010.

[RoboticWang]

Da ****?

Durant has zero case over LeBron for MVP. None. Zilch.

People on this forum like to say "MVP is a two man race between LeBron and Durant", which is nonsense. LeBron will win another unanimous MVP just like 2010.

Voter fatigue is a real thang.

If voter fatigue didn't exist, LeBron would be a 5-Time MVP (No offense to D-Rose or KD) after this year. MVP of the league for half of his 10 year career. A 5-TIME (COUNT IT... 5- TIME) MVP in just 10 seasons. Just let that sink in...

[DMV2]

Durant had a case......back in November-early December. LeBron has blown this race by 5 laps now.

LeBron's scoring has increased from 25 to 27 per game, and his rebounding still remains 8+ per game. He'll pick is REB up again by end of Feb.

[La Frescobaldi]

Durant had a case......back in November-early December. LeBron has blown this race by 5 laps now.

LeBron's scoring has increased from 25 to 27 per game, and his rebounding still remains 8+ per game. He'll pick is REB up again by end of Feb.

http://www.westernhorsereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Secretariat-Belmont.jpg
LeBron makes a case for being slightly ahead of other MVP contenders

[Shepseskaf]

Same reason that Barkley and Malone won MVPs that could have gone to MJ. Voters get tired of giving the same player the award, and want to see someone new get it.

[RoboticWang]

Same reason that Barkley and Malone won MVPs that could have gone to MJ. Voters get tired of giving the same player the award, and want to see someone new get it.
Having said that, if voter fatigue wasn't a real thing Jordan would have at least 7 MVPs. He somehow didn't win it in his best statistical year.

[Ne 1]

Same reason that Barkley and Malone won MVPs that could have gone to MJ. Voters get tired of giving the same player the award, and want to see someone new get it.

IMO MVP's MJ should have won: 1991, 1992, 1996, 1997, 1998

1997: Jordan, not Malone should have won
1988: Bird, not Jordan should have won

He also had a good case in 1990. The year Barkley won, it was Hakeem's award imo.

[NLZ]

when are people going to realize MVP doesn't always go to the best player? Shaq & Kobe have 1 MVP, should be proof enough.

[Hank]

He'll have 5 MVP's before the age of 30

[arifgokcen]

when are people going to realize MVP doesn't always go to the best player? Shaq & Kobe have 1 MVP, should be proof enough.
Thats not the problem though.Shaq has never been a dominant in regular season and kobe has been dominant for 2 seasons where his team sucked.Even when he won mvp back in 2008 he was no where near lebron valuable(or durant for that matter)

If lebron doesnt get it this year,only reason will be voters fatigue.He has been so dominant.

[Rysio]

2 of those mvps were steve nash like mvps were both belong to mamba. people need to stop with this 3 time mvp garbage. :facepalm

[secund2nun]

Mamba deserves 0 MVPs. Just be gracious that he was undeservingly handed the regular season MVP award .....and the 2010 finals MVP that should have went to Gasol.

As for Shaq not being dominant in the regular season...LOL Shaq should have won 4 MVPs minimum- 1999-2002 and then 2004

Back to the topic- Lebron is clearly having the best year and will capture his 4th MVP.

[Odinn]

LeBron has won 3 MVP's in his career and 2013 LeBron is playing better than any previous MVP winning LeBron. Yet we ISH view Durant as a heavy favorite to win MVP this year, maybe that's because 2013 Durant is better than any LeBron. Let's discuss.
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2 of those mvps were steve nash like mvps were both belong to mamba. people need to stop with this 3 time mvp garbage. :facepalm
Kobe is the 2005 MVP?:roll: :roll:



Mamba deserves 0 MVPs. Just be gracious that he was undeservingly handed the regular season MVP award .....and the 2010 finals MVP that should have went to Gasol.
Don't be so hateful. Kobe's best season, 2005-06 season, doesn't fit to the criteria of being the MVP. He deserved his MVP in 2008.


As for Shaq not being dominant in the regular season...LOL Shaq should have won 4 MVPs minimum- 1999-2002 and then 2004
You're just as delusional as Kobe-stans.
1999-2000-2001-2002 and then 2004? That's 5. I'm just saying in case of you can not count.

1998-99 season is the worst season of Shaq while he was in his prime. He was not the MVP in that season, clearly.
Shaq's 2000 MVP is one of the most deserved MVPs.
Iverson's 2001 MVP was about hype. It should have gone to Shaq or Duncan.
Shaq didn't have a case for Duncan for being the MVP in 2001-02.
Garnett's 2004 MVP is one of the most deserved MVPs. Shaq had no case over him.
Although IMO, Shaq should have won the 2005 MVP.

I'd say 2 or 3 is accurate for Shaq. 'Minimum 4' is just delusional. Don't be so uncontrolled while trying to bash to Kobe.

[noob cake]

LeBron is on a different stratosphere right now.

His current level of play makes him the greatest of all time if he can keep up for the next 5 years. This shit isn't even up for discussion.

I was a LeBron hater, but you can't build the ashes of hate on the flames of greatness. LeBron is too damn good at basketball.

[DatAsh]

IMO MVP's MJ should have won: 1991, 1992, 1996, 1997, 1998

1997: Jordan, not Malone should have won
1988: Bird, not Jordan should have won

He also had a good case in 1990. The year Barkley won, it was Hakeem's award imo.

Agree with Bird being the best in 88. Jordan was the best player in the game from 90-93 and 96 - 98, and as such probably should have won it every one of those years.

Mvp is somewhat of a silly concept. Taken at face value, it should be given to the best player in the league. If we're talking about value in a general sense, and not a team specific sense - which would see the award go to a really good player on a really bad team almost every year - then most valuable should be synonymous with best. Unfortunately, that's not the case, though it should be. Guys like Kobe and Shaq are paragons of that. It's also the reason Durant has a very realistic chance over Lebron this year, despite Lebron being the better and more valuable player.

[jstern]

http://www.westernhorsereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Secretariat-Belmont.jpg
LeBron makes a case for being slightly ahead of other MVP contenders

Video of that pic reminded me of this MVP race.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS4f6wiQJh4

[Hank]

LeBron is on a different stratosphere right now.

His current level of play makes him the greatest of all time if he can keep up for the next 5 years. This shit isn't even up for discussion.

I was a LeBron hater, but you can't build the ashes of hate on the flames of greatness. LeBron is too damn good at basketball.

+1

[secund2nun]

Don't be so hateful. Kobe's best season, 2005-06 season, doesn't fit to the criteria of being the MVP. He deserved his MVP in 2008.


He couldn't even lead his team past the first round...in his prime...in the 3 chances he got (the 3 seasons after Shaq and before Gasol). That is not MVP worthy. The media has unfairly given Kobe all of the credit for the 2 title wins when he could not even get past the first round before Gasol arrived there and on top of that Gasol was much better in the 2010 NBA finals than Kobe yet Kobe got all of the credit and the finals MVP. In those 2 playoffs Gasol was just as good as Kobe yet they falsely portray him as the sidekick.


You're just as delusional as Kobe-stans.
1999-2000-2001-2002 and then 2004? That's 5. I'm just saying in case of you can not count.


By 1999 I meant the 1999-2000, 2000-2001- and 2001-2002 seasons.
Now you have a point about Duncan, he deserved more MVPs. But Shaq is one of the GOAT.


1998-99 season is the worst season of Shaq while he was in his prime. He was not the MVP in that season, clearly.

Bad logic. Shaq's prime was legendary. Being the worst season of his prime still means it was utter domination. But anyways I was talking about 99-00, not 98-99.


Shaq's 2000 MVP is one of the most deserved MVPs.
Iverson's 2001 MVP was about hype. It should have gone to Shaq or Duncan.
Shaq didn't have a case for Duncan for being the MVP in 2001-02.
Garnett's 2004 MVP is one of the most deserved MVPs. Shaq had no case over him.
Although IMO, Shaq should have won the 2005 MVP.


I agree about KG's dominance. Good point about KG's season forgot about that. KG, Duncan, Shaq should have traded MVPs every season from 1999 to 2007 imo (not equally weighted though)


I'd say 2 or 3 is accurate for Shaq. 'Minimum 4' is just delusional. Don't be so uncontrolled while trying to bash to Kobe.

I'll admit 3 would be fine, but 2 is way under. He deserved at least 3...4 IMO.

As for Kobe....I don't buy big market media hype. I look at the facts.

[DatAsh]

Thats not the problem though.Shaq has never been a dominant in regular season and kobe has been dominant for 2 seasons where his team sucked.Even when he won mvp back in 2008 he was no where near lebron valuable(or durant for that matter)

If lebron doesnt get it this year,only reason will be voters fatigue.He has been so dominant.

2008 Kobe was a better player than 2008 Lebron in my opinion.

[heavensdevil]

Da ****?

Durant has zero case over LeBron for MVP. None. Zilch.

People on this forum like to say "MVP is a two man race between LeBron and Durant", which is nonsense. LeBron will win another unanimous MVP just like 2010.


Lebron is going off, no question, But I think the Voters will give it to KD this year. KD is also having an amazing season and could be viewed as MORE VALUABLE to his squad...

Take Kd off OKC, and they will likely struggle, take Lebron off the Heat, and they still have All-stars Chris Bosh and Wade, and future HOF Ray Allen.

[Mr. Incredible]

Haters going to be extra Salty when #6 holds up his 4th MVP trophy this year.

[TMT]

It's inevitable that OKC will end up with the best record in the WC. They currently have 5 more wins and 2 less loses than the Heat playing in a tougher conference. No discredit to Lebron's godly play as of late, but eventually he'll come back down to earth and start shooting an out of this world percentage.

Unless they can match OKC's record or KD goes down with a serious injury, it's Durant's for the taking.

[heavensdevil]

Thats not the problem though.Shaq has never been a dominant in regular season and kobe has been dominant for 2 seasons where his team sucked.Even when he won mvp back in 2008 he was no where near lebron valuable(or durant for that matter)

If lebron doesnt get it this year,only reason will be voters fatigue.He has been so dominant.

Shaq never been dominant? :facepalm idiot.

[BrickingStar]

It's inevitable that OKC will end up with the best record in the WC. They currently have 5 more wins and 2 less loses than the Heat playing in a tougher conference. No discredit to Lebron's godly play as of late, but eventually he'll come back down to earth and start shooting an out of this world percentage.

Unless they can match OKC's record or KD goes down with a serious injury, it's Durant's for the taking.
You think MVP goes to the team with the best record? Did you see who won MVP last year? And you **** up a lot of MVPs in the past with that logic

[TMT]

You think MVP goes to the team with the best record? Did you see who won MVP last year? And you **** up a lot of MVPs in the past with that logic

Yeah, my team and the Bulls tied. The Spurs are too balanced and of course TP isn't going to get MVP recognition. D-Rose played 39 games, so he was out of the discussion. Had to go to one of the two runners up, either Durant or LBJ and it did. :confusedshrug: What's your point?

MVP goes to the best player on the best team nowadays and iirc, there are three teams with a better record than the Heat (Spurs, Thunder, Clippers) and two teams right on their tail (Pacers, Knicks).

[InfiniteBaskets]

It's inevitable that OKC will end up with the best record in the WC. They currently have 5 more wins and 2 less loses than the Heat playing in a tougher conference. No discredit to Lebron's godly play as of late, but eventually he'll come back down to earth and start shooting an out of this world percentage.

Unless they can match OKC's record or KD goes down with a serious injury, it's Durant's for the taking.

How do you know for sure OKC will end up with the best record in the league? Spurs are right there, and they haven't even had Duncan or Ginobli recently.

If OKC gets the 2nd best record in the league, it defeats the whole "best player on best team" argument he has going for him. Then it's a guy who is having an outstanding season leading his team to 2nd place VS a guy who's having a godly season leading his team to 3rd place. That would favor LeBron more IMO.

[Bigsmoke]

Kobe morons are the ones who think Durant is the MVP.

[TMT]

How do you know for sure OKC will end up with the best record in the league? Spurs are right there, and they haven't even had Duncan or Ginobli recently.

If OKC gets the 2nd best record in the league, it defeats the whole "best player on best team" argument he has going for him. Then it's a guy who is having an outstanding season leading his team to 2nd place VS a guy who's having a godly season leading his team to 3rd place. That would favor LeBron more IMO.

Just my opinion. Spurs dealing with injuries and are on their annual RRT right now, it's hard to say they will still be leading OKC two weeks from now. Even if the Spurs were to get the best record, no one on our squad is grabbing the MVP so it will be the same situation as last year. If the Heat end up behind Spurs, Clips and Thunder by seasons end, I don't see Lebron taking it. Even with how well he is playing right now, the Knicks who have been slumping are 1.5 back and Indiana is in the picture as well.

I'd put my money on Durant taking home the hardware this year.

[Whoah10115]

OP's name is fitting.


Here Here!




His current level of play makes him the greatest of all time if he can keep up for the next 5 years. This shit isn't even up for discussion.



His current level of play doesn't put him near the greatest of all-time. If he keeps it up for 5 years he's not the greatest of all time. This isn't up for discussion. This is stupid.

[BrickingStar]

Yeah, my team and the Bulls tied. The Spurs are too balanced and of course TP isn't going to get MVP recognition. D-Rose played 39 games, so he was out of the discussion. Had to go to one of the two runners up, either Durant or LBJ and it did. :confusedshrug: What's your point?

MVP goes to the best player on the best team nowadays and iirc, there are three teams with a better record than the Heat (Spurs, Thunder, Clippers) and two teams right on their tail (Pacers, Knicks).
Seeing as lebron is the best player this year by far and recently the bold in your post is not the case if you look at last year, I'll go with LeBron.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

LeBron is on a different stratosphere right now.

His current level of play makes him the greatest of all time if he can keep up for the next 5 years. This shit isn't even up for discussion

I hate when people get carried away AND say stupid shit. Ever heard of Wilt, Kareem, Jordan, or Magic?

[InfiniteBaskets]

Just my opinion. Spurs dealing with injuries and are on their annual RRT right now, it's hard to say they will still be leading OKC two weeks from now. Even if the Spurs were to get the best record, no one on our squad is grabbing the MVP so it will be the same situation as last year. If the Heat end up behind Spurs, Clips and Thunder by seasons end, I don't see Lebron taking it. Even with how well he is playing right now, the Knicks who have been slumping are 1.5 back and Indiana is in the picture as well.

I'd put my money on Durant taking home the hardware this year.

It's possible either way. I'd put my money on the Spurs getting the best record in the league. The system they play is not vulnerable to lapses in effort and more sustainable than Heat or OKC. It's funny how they manage to get close to the best record every season and yet not enough credit is given to any of the players for MVP consideration, nor is enough credit given to Pop for coaching a group of un-deserving MVP candidates to a top record.

Anyways, I don't see Clippers topping the Heat in the standings at this point unless injuries were to happen to Miami. If at the end of the season OKC is in 2nd and has a win or two more than Miami, it won't be enough to keep the MVP away from LeBron. But that's just my personal opinion.

[BrickingStar]

I hate when people get carried away AND say stupid shit. Ever heard of Wilt, Kareem, Jordan, or Magic?
everyone but jordan wouldn't be the discussion if lebron kept having seasons like this for the next 5 seasons

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

everyone but jordan wouldn't be the discussion if lebron kept having seasons like this for the next 5 seasons

Wilt and Kareem are certainly in the discussion. Educate yourself.

[inclinerator]

durant is shooting 52 percent which is also insane

[tazb]

http://www.nba.com/mvp-ladder/2012-13/index.html

LeBron is in the lead, the only people who think Durant is the MVP right now are Kobe stans who hate LeBron :confusedshrug:

[KingBeasley08]

Lebron is having the best season of his career right now. Easily MVP

[tmacattack33]

LOL at this.

Lebron is the best player in the league.

And he is the most valuable player too.

Lebron is Miami's best playmaker, scorer, and defender...and they also count on him a lot for rebounding since Bosh and Joel Anthony suck at rebounding.

Durant is the Thunder's best scorer. That's his job. Playmaking is Westbrook's job. Ibaka and Sefalosha guard the opposing team's best player. Ibaka and Perkins get the rebounds and are more than capable of doing it.

[Whoah10115]

Lebron is having the best season of his career right now.


His previous 4 seasons were all better.



LOL at this.

Lebron is the best player in the league.

And he is the most valuable player too.

Lebron is Miami's best playmaker, scorer, and defender...and they also count on him a lot for rebounding since Bosh and Joel Anthony suck at rebounding.

Durant is the Thunder's best scorer. That's his job. Playmaking is Westbrook's job. Ibaka and Sefalosha guard the opposing team's best player. Ibaka and Perkins get the rebounds and are more than capable of doing it.


This is stupid tho...first of all, how are you gonna complain that Anthony and Bosh are bad rebounders and then credit Ibaka and Perkins? Perkins is as bad as Anthony there and Ibaka doesn't get 9RPG and gets 9 per 36minutes. Durant is like a half rebound per game behind Ibaka so be accurate.


And this is stupid because it has nothing to do with the game. Just watch them play. Neither one is well out in front but if what you're saying accurately reflects how much better Lebron is playing then the Miami Heat wouldn't be so far behind OKC, playing in the lesser conference. Doing everything is not always a good thing. It's not always good basketball

[tmacattack33]

His previous 4 seasons were all better.





This is stupid tho...first of all, how are you gonna complain that Anthony and Bosh are bad rebounders and then credit Ibaka and Perkins? Perkins is as bad as Anthony there and Ibaka doesn't get 9RPG and gets 9 per 36minutes. Durant is like a half rebound per game behind Ibaka so be accurate.


And this is stupid because it has nothing to do with the game. Just watch them play. Neither one is well out in front but if what you're saying accurately reflects how much better Lebron is playing then the Miami Heat wouldn't be so far behind OKC, playing in the lesser conference. Doing everything is not always a good thing. It's not always good basketball

:oldlol:

1. Miami is 2 games behind OKC.

2. Miami has a better record against the West than OKC does against the East.

:roll:

[arifgokcen]

His previous 4 seasons were all better.





This is stupid tho...first of all, how are you gonna complain that Anthony and Bosh are bad rebounders and then credit Ibaka and Perkins? Perkins is as bad as Anthony there and Ibaka doesn't get 9RPG and gets 9 per 36minutes. Durant is like a half rebound per game behind Ibaka so be accurate.


And this is stupid because it has nothing to do with the game. Just watch them play. Neither one is well out in front but if what you're saying accurately reflects how much better Lebron is playing then the Miami Heat wouldn't be so far behind OKC, playing in the lesser conference. Doing everything is not always a good thing. It's not always good basketball

He is being accurate.Ibaka is the best rebounder not durant.Thats what he said and lets assume perkins is averaging as many minutes as durant he would be putting up 9.6rpg(in 39 minutes).You can compare joel because he rarely plays anymore.10mpg and even than assume he is playing as many minutes as durant he would only be averaging 6.9rpg.(in 39 minutes)

So you are a liar not him and dont forget most of the time battier is at 4 so all the rebounding resposibilities fall on lebron.Where as OKC rarely plays smallball.


Miami has a better record against west.Miami in western conference would fare better.Because west teams are very weak defensively.To beat miami you have to be a very good defensive team.Look at the teams dominated miami this season.All three are the best defenses we have right now.
Pacers-Knicks-Bulls.

Miami against not elite defensive teams is almost always a miami win.

I just wanted to point out that you are completely wrong.

[dannysc305]

LOL at this.

Lebron is the best player in the league.

And he is the most valuable player too.

Lebron is Miami's best playmaker, scorer, and defender...and they also count on him a lot for rebounding since Bosh and Joel Anthony suck at rebounding.

Durant is the Thunder's best scorer. That's his job. Playmaking is Westbrook's job. Ibaka and Sefalosha guard the opposing team's best player. Ibaka and Perkins get the rebounds and are more than capable of doing it.
:applause::applause::applause:

/end thread

[Whoah10115]

:oldlol:

1. Miami is 2 games behind OKC.

2. Miami has a better record against the West than OKC does against the East.

:roll:



I guess the 5 games in the win column are automatic for the Heat, right? That's 3 1/2 games. Based on the season average, the Heat are likely to go 2-1 over 3 games, putting them 3 full games behind the Thunder.


In the East.


But tell me that Miami has a better record vs than the East than OKC does vs the West. Miami may well play up to the competition. In the West, maybe they'd be up for every game and would be better. But the reality is that they're in the East and they play a lot more games vs the weak East than the strong West. So taking the smaller sample doesn't always hold weight the way you're acting it does. And since it's a regular season award and not an award to remind us all that James is the best player, this is all relevant.

[Whoah10115]

He is being accurate.Ibaka is the best rebounder not durant.Thats what he said and lets assume perkins is averaging as many minutes as durant he would be putting up 9.6rpg(in 39 minutes).You can compare joel because he rarely plays anymore.10mpg and even than assume he is playing as many minutes as durant he would only be averaging 6.9rpg.(in 39 minutes)

So you are a liar not him and dont forget most of the time battier is at 4 so all the rebounding resposibilities fall on lebron.Where as OKC rarely plays smallball.


Miami has a better record against west.Miami in western conference would fare better.Because west teams are very weak defensively.To beat miami you have to be a very good defensive team.Look at the teams dominated miami this season.All three are the best defenses we have right now.
Pacers-Knicks-Bulls.

Miami against not elite defensive teams is almost always a miami win.

I just wanted to point out that you are completely wrong.



Listen, he's not accurate. Stop looking for the tiniest bit of accuracy to find him a nugget. The point he's trying to make isn't a true one.


Don't extrapolate over 39.6MPG. We were talking 36. Per 36 he's at 8.7. Not particularly impressive. But if you wanna do that, Bosh would average 8.1RPG if he played Lebron's 38.5MPG. 8.1 is what Lebron averages.


Yea, you're not full of shit or anything.

[ihoopallday]

:oldlol:

1. Miami is 2 games behind OKC.

2. Miami has a better record against the West than OKC does against the East.

:roll:

Yeah that debunks the myth that Miami would struggle in the west. Miami's record against the west says it all. Imagine if LeBron wins MVP and FMVP this year. That easily puts him in top 10 all time. I currently have him at #12

[Ikill]

I don't think Lebrons having his best season he won 60+ games in 09 and 10 with weaker supporting casts. Durants having a great year too his scoring is legendary and his all around game has been solid too. OKC also has a better record despite Durant having a weaker supporting cast.

[arifgokcen]

Listen, he's not accurate. Stop looking for the tiniest bit of accuracy to find him a nugget. The point he's trying to make isn't a true one.


Don't extrapolate over 39.6MPG. We were talking 36. Per 36 he's at 8.7. Not particularly impressive. But if you wanna do that, Bosh would average 8.1RPG if he played Lebron's 38.5MPG. 8.1 is what Lebron averages.


Yea, you're not full of shit or anything.

Dude wow you are pathetic.Combined joel-bosh frontcourt averages 14,9rpg
Combined ibaka-perkins averages 18.1rpg per 36 both.Not that you understand but that difference is not tiny

Maybe you are a moron but 3.2rpg difference is a lot.If miami was averaging 3.2rpg more,they would 15th instead of 30th in rebounding.Moreover joel doesnt play that much battier play pf more than joel plays center.So lebron assumes rebounding responsibilities.Without lebron rebounding miami wouldnt win games without durant rebounding OKC would still win because of all the above average rebounders.

You are a complete moron.

[BrickingStar]

I don't think Lebrons having his best season he won 60+ games in 09 and 10 with weaker supporting casts. Durants having a great year too his scoring is legendary and his all around game has been solid too. OKC also has a better record despite Durant having a weaker supporting cast.
It's unbelievable how people overrate wins for individual performances. There is no question lebron has had the better individual season and is the better player. And yes I'm sure todays heat team was as hungry as the cavs team for wins :rolleyes:

[dyna]

I don't think Lebrons having his best season he won 60+ games in 09 and 10 with weaker supporting casts. Durants having a great year too his scoring is legendary and his all around game has been solid too. OKC also has a better record despite Durant having a weaker supporting cast.


:rolleyes:

[raid09]

I don't think Lebrons having his best season he won 60+ games in 09 and 10 with weaker supporting casts. Durants having a great year too his scoring is legendary and his all around game has been solid too. OKC also has a better record despite Durant having a weaker supporting cast.

:wtf: :wtf:

You know its 2013 now right?

[AlonzoGOAT]

:wtf: :wtf:

You know its 2013 now right?
I think people only pay attention at the top players like the big 3 and don't account the rest of a team outside of their top players. For a example a healthy Clippers team is more stacked than the heat

[DatAsh]

I don't think Lebrons having his best season he won 60+ games in 09 and 10 with weaker supporting casts. Durants having a great year too his scoring is legendary and his all around game has been solid too. OKC also has a better record despite Durant having a weaker supporting cast.

Durant definitely doesn't have a weaker supporting cast.

[che guevara]

His previous 4 seasons were all better.

l
:roll: LOL @ this. Lebron wasn't even CLOSE to this good the last two years, by any possible measure. Especially 2011, which was worse in every possible way I can think of, by a good margin. He is clearly at another level this year, it's just obvious.

You literally have to be retarded to think he isn't better this year than his first two Miami seasons.

[SilkkTheShocker]

:roll: LOL @ this. Lebron wasn't even CLOSE to this good the last two years, by any possible measure. Especially 2011, which was worse in every possible way I can think of, by a good margin. He is clearly at another level this year, it's just obvious.

You literally have to be retarded to think he isn't better this year than his first two Miami seasons.

This. :oldlol:

He says stupid s.hit all the time.

[Hank]

Interesting to me how Lebron didn't want to touch 3 pointers last year. Over the first 20 games last year you can count the number of 3 point attempts he had on one hand. He was there to get better in the post and we saw his post game in the playoffs.

Now this year he is shooting a career high behind the arc at over 40%.... and a whopping 52% from the corner 3.

He's unreal

[FindingTim]

Same reason that Barkley and Malone won MVPs that could have gone to MJ. Voters get tired of giving the same player the award, and want to see someone new get it.

this is what terrifies me.
I'm afraid Durant will win the MVP because he is more "fresh", but to me, Lebron is CLEARLY the Most Valuable Player. Objectively, it's not even close. Especially with this absurd tear he has been on of late.

FG/FGA last 13 games:
9/11
11/18
13/14
10/16
9/17
10/18
14/31
9/14
12/23
17/25
11/20
13/19
7/10

those aren't free throws, those are field goals. :biggums:
in his "worst" game, he shot a "pedestrian" 9/17-- 53%
oh, and in that stretch he is also averaging 8 rebounds and 7 assists, just for shits and giggles
(and often in only 3 quarters due to blowouts)

[Whoah10115]

Dude wow you are pathetic.Combined joel-bosh frontcourt averages 14,9rpg
Combined ibaka-perkins averages 18.1rpg per 36 both.Not that you understand but that difference is not tiny

Maybe you are a moron but 3.2rpg difference is a lot.If miami was averaging 3.2rpg more,they would 15th instead of 30th in rebounding.Moreover joel doesnt play that much battier play pf more than joel plays center.So lebron assumes rebounding responsibilities.Without lebron rebounding miami wouldnt win games without durant rebounding OKC would still win because of all the above average rebounders.

You are a complete moron.


Oh boy. You're not very good, are you?


The argument is that Lebron has to do everything, because others aren't capable. I didn't even argue that Lebron wasn't the better rebounder. I argued that he exaggerated, as Durant's guys aren't much better and he isn't much worse, in the rebounding department. He argued that Ibaka and Perkins can get the rebounds, as if they're particularly good rebounders. Well, based on his best years in Toronto, I guess I could say that Bosh could grab some rebounds so maybe Lebron should stay out of his way. That's a simplistic and stupid approach to take, so I argued it. And the only thing I did was show him he was exaggerating, because Perkins and Ibaka aren't exactly monsters there.


But keep at it, as if your dumb ass is even bothering to know what I'm arguing.

[Whoah10115]

It's unbelievable how people overrate wins for individual performances. There is no question lebron has had the better individual season and is the better player. And yes I'm sure todays heat team was as hungry as the cavs team for wins :rolleyes:


The Cavaliers were hungrier. But this Miami team is still better. I'm certainly not mistaking anything for anything. Lebron is, by FAR, the best player in the league. He is not having by far the better season. It's not obvious. Looking at what he can do and seeing what he does in stretches is not the equivalent of the whole season. These last few weeks, with Durant going off in points, aren't even up to par with what he was doing earlier in the year. It's just an example of stats not telling the whole story. Kinda like Lebron and assists. But Lebron has gotten better and it's not because of shooting percentage, as it does look like he keeps it in mind sometimes. James has been getting better and if he stays this way he'll be well out in front in no time.



:roll: LOL @ this. Lebron wasn't even CLOSE to this good the last two years, by any possible measure. Especially 2011, which was worse in every possible way I can think of, by a good margin. He is clearly at another level this year, it's just obvious.

You literally have to be retarded to think he isn't better this year than his first two Miami seasons.


James had a much better year last year. He had the best season of his life and one of the best seasons in recent years. He was incredible, from beginning to end. He's a better player now, but his season isn't as good as last year's. It's not even close. So bug off.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

this is what terrifies me.
I'm afraid Durant will win the MVP because he is more "fresh", but to me, Lebron is CLEARLY the Most Valuable Player. Objectively, it's not even close. Especially with this absurd tear he has been on of late.

FG/FGA last 13 games:
9/11
11/18
13/14
10/16
9/17
10/18
14/31
9/14
12/23
17/25
11/20
13/19
7/10

those aren't free throws, those are field goals. :biggums:
in his "worst" game, he shot a "pedestrian" 9/17-- 53%

Where did you learn math professor?
14/31 is lower than 53%...:facepalm

[Budadiiii]

Top 3 MVP Candidates.

1. LeBron James
2. Kevin Durant
3. Russell Westbrook


All interchangeable and the award could go to any of those three.

[TonyD]

http://s17.postimage.org/84qq9nxbv/lbjtroll.png

Lebron has a glorious troll face going on right now on the espn nba homepage.

[che guevara]

James had a much better year last year. He had the best season of his life and one of the best seasons in recent years. He was incredible, from beginning to end. He's a better player now, but his season isn't as good as last year's. It's not even close. So bug off.
This isn't even an argument. What was he doing better last year than this year? He had worse stats, was a worse shooter, driver/slasher, decision maker, turned the ball over more, relied more on fastbreak points, and was just clearly worse by the eye test. Present a real argument please, rather than just nonsense rhetoric that isn't supported by any evidence at all.

You're making yourself look like an idiot here. He's a better player this season, and he's also playing better than last year... but somehow he had a better season last year?

:biggums: :coleman:

[BrickingStar]

The Cavaliers were hungrier. But this Miami team is still better. I'm certainly not mistaking anything for anything. Lebron is, by FAR, the best player in the league. He is not having by far the better season. It's not obvious. Looking at what he can do and seeing what he does in stretches is not the equivalent of the whole season. These last few weeks, with Durant going off in points, aren't even up to par with what he was doing earlier in the year. It's just an example of stats not telling the whole story. Kinda like Lebron and assists. But Lebron has gotten better and it's not because of shooting percentage, as it does look like he keeps it in mind sometimes. James has been getting better and if he stays this way he'll be well out in front in no time.





James had a much better year last year. He had the best season of his life and one of the best seasons in recent years. He was incredible, from beginning to end. He's a better player now, but his season isn't as good as last year's. It's not even close. So bug off.
How is last season better than this one please tell me. The only thing he was better at was averaging .2 more scoring but at least this year he is shooting 3% better from the field which I'll take any say over .2 points. LeBron is averaging less fresthrows than last year and scoring more from the field. He is rebounding more and assisting more. And his 3 points shooting and shooting overall is much better.

[Whoah10115]

This isn't even an argument. What was he doing better last year than this year? He had worse stats, was a worse shooter, driver/slasher, decision maker, turned the ball over more, relied more on fastbreak points, and was just clearly worse by the eye test. Present a real argument please, rather than just nonsense rhetoric that isn't supported by any evidence at all.

You're making yourself look like an idiot here. He's a better player this season, and he's also playing better than last year... but somehow he had a better season last year?

:biggums: :coleman:



Listen, you're dumb enough to bother me. If you can't understand the logic of being a better player but not having a better season, then it's because you don't get anything. It's not that difficult to grasp, even if you disagree.


The eye test is exactly why he is not as good this year. He's averaging 0.2PPG less, in 1 more MPG of playing time. He's averaging 0.2RPG more in that extra minute. His assists are up and his turnovers are down. That is impressive. As is his FG%, which is also impressive. However, I also already gave my opinion on an issue with his passing up shots because of FG% and, instead of acknowledging or even trying to shoot it to the ground, you disregard it. Good, don't regard it.


He's getting fewer points in transition because he isn't playing anywhere near the defense that he played last year. That defense was the most impressive thing in his game during the last regular season and it's a lot less impressive this year and even if he doesn't maintain the recent level of defensive play and reverts back to earlier in the season form, you will still have him on your All-Defensive 1st Team. His off the ball movement is less impressive this year than last year. He doesn't cut to the basket and make himself as available for teammates to assist him. But you're not going to disagree, you're going to try and talk shit. Keep it to yourself. Anything regarding James is a stupid topic to get into. I'm out.

[Whoah10115]

How is last season better than this one please tell me. The only thing he was better at was averaging .2 more scoring but at least this year he is shooting 3% better from the field which I'll take any say over .2 points. LeBron is averaging less fresthrows than last year and scoring more from the field. He is rebounding more and assisting more. And his 3 points shooting and shooting overall is much better.



He played better last year. Noticeably better. His defense was better. His off the ball game was better. He had greater impact last season.

[BrickingStar]

Listen, you're dumb enough to bother me. If you can't understand the logic of being a better player but not having a better season, then it's because you don't anything. It's not that difficult to grasp, even if you disagree.


The eye test is exactly why he is not as good this year. He's averaging 0.2PPG less, in 1 more MPG of playing time. He's averaging 0.2RPG more in that extra minute. His assists are up and his turnovers are down. That is impressive. As is his FG%, which is also impressive. However, I also already gave my opinion on an issue with his passing up shots because of FG% and, instead of acknowledging or even trying to shoot it to the ground, you disregard it. Good, don't regard it.


He's getting fewer points in transition because he isn't playing anywhere near the defense that he played last year. That defense was the most impressive thing in his game during the last regular season and it's a lot less impressive this year and even if he doesn't maintain the recent level of defensive play and reverts back to earlier in the season form, you will still have him on your All-Defensive 1st Team. His off the ball movement is less impressive this year than last year. He doesn't cut to the basket and make himself as available for teammates to assist him. But you're not going to disagree, you're going to try and talk shit. Keep it to yourself. Anything regarding James is a stupid topic to get into. I'm out.
Why would you even bring up the .2 scoring from last year? It's no question he's a better scorer this year. He only averaged .2 more scoring and HAD 1.5 more free throw attempts per game while lebron is scoring more from the field this year with 3% more efficient. Along with the fact his 3 point shooting has DRAMATICALLY improved taking more 3's a game and shooting 40% from there. He's also like you said a better facilitator this year by far with more assist and less TO. Defense hasn't even changed when he steps it up when he has too either don't act like he's lost it.

[BrickingStar]

He played better last year. Noticeably better. His defense was better. His off the ball game was better. He had greater impact last season.
All subjective with no substance

[DaSeba5]

I don't think Lebrons having his best season he won 60+ games in 09 and 10 with weaker supporting casts. Durants having a great year too his scoring is legendary and his all around game has been solid too. OKC also has a better record despite Durant having a weaker supporting cast.

http://1-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/sp/image/1344/80/1344802333227.gif

[Whoah10115]

Why would you even bring up the .2 scoring from last year? It's no question he's a better scorer this year. He only averaged .2 more scoring and HAD 1.5 more free throw attempts per game while lebron is scoring more from the field this year with 3% more efficient. Along with the fact his 3 point shooting has DRAMATICALLY improved taking more 3's a game and shooting 40% from there. He's also like you said a better facilitator this year by far with more assist and less TO. Defense hasn't even changed when he steps it up when he has too either don't act like he's lost it.



Why? Because he brought it up and then I went into the stats.


And who ever suggested that he lost it? We're talking about the season. He steps it up when he really has to, but his overall defense isn't as good.


All subjective with no substance



I guess it's all subjective, isn't it? Or do you have the definitive number?

[che guevara]

Listen, you're dumb enough to bother me. If you can't understand the logic of being a better player but not having a better season, then it's because you don't get anything. It's not that difficult to grasp, even if you disagree.
No, I understand that perfectly; it's an incredibly simple concept. The problem here is that he's clearly having a better season this year, as anybody who's willing to look at the numbers, or watch the games will tell you. He's a million times more capable of creating this year, as every Lebron fan has been talking about since the start of the season.



The eye test is exactly why he is not as good this year. He's averaging 0.2PPG less, in 1 more MPG of playing time. He's averaging 0.2RPG more in that extra minute. His assists are up and his turnovers are down. That is impressive. As is his FG%, which is also impressive. However, I also already gave my opinion on an issue with his passing up shots because of FG% and, instead of acknowledging or even trying to shoot it to the ground, you disregard it. Good, don't regard it.
The only game this year where you could accuse him of passing up shots is the Bobcats game, which they won anyway. Otherwise, it's just an improvement in his shot selection - why would he take a shot he doesn't have a good chance of making?



He's getting fewer points in transition because he isn't playing anywhere near the defense that he played last year. That defense was the most impressive thing in his game during the last regular season and it's a lot less impressive this year and even if he doesn't maintain the recent level of defensive play and reverts back to earlier in the season form, you will still have him on your All-Defensive 1st Team.
Lol, what evidence do you have of this? He was slacking on D for the first 5-10 games, but he's been fine there ever since. Not to mention he had stretches last year (particularly the first couple weeks after the allstar break) where he slacked on D. The numbers don't support this either, let's look at his on-off:

2012:
On: 100.1 opponent DRTG
Off: 101.7
-1.6 overall

2013:
On: 104.5
Off: 108.2
-3.7 overall

So he's helping his team MORE this year defensively when he's on the court; Miami's worse defense this year is a team problem, not a Lebron problem, as anybody who actually watched the games or looked at the numbers could tell you.


His off the ball movement is less impressive this year than last year. He doesn't cut to the basket and make himself as available for teammates to assist him. But you're not going to disagree, you're going to try and talk shit. Keep it to yourself. Anything regarding James is a stupid topic to get into. I'm out.
Yeah, too bad that's not supported by the numbers. Last year he was assisted on 35.7% of his shots, this year, it's 39.2%; if you want to look at assisted shots at the rim, last year it was 46.7%, this year it's 52.6%. So you're completely wrong on that one, his off ball play has been better. Again, as anybody who actually watched the games could tell you. His improved 3 point shooting has been incredibly valuable, he's now a legit floor spacer, which he wasn't last year. And let's just look at his overall offensive impact, just to disprove your theory that he had more impact last year:

2012:
On: 110.5 ORTG
Off: 98.1
+12.4 overall

2013:
On: 115.0
Off: 102.2
+12.8 overall

Keep in mind, the better an offense is, the harder it is to improve it, so it's really more than just a .4 point improvement. It's much easier to take a garbage offensive team and turn them into a good one, than it is to take a mediocre offensive team and turn them into a great one.

And lol @ you running away when you get destroyed in an argument. I wouldn't have talked shit if your opinion had any basis in reality whatsoever, but you just spewed subjective nonsense that was completely contradicted by the facts and acted like it was an argument.

[Human Error]

Lebron is going off, no question, But I think the Voters will give it to KD this year. KD is also having an amazing season and could be viewed as MORE VALUABLE to his squad...

Take Kd off OKC, and they will likely struggle, take Lebron off the Heat, and they still have All-stars Chris Bosh and Wade, and future HOF Ray Allen.
Lol Durant is more valuable to his squad? Durant is supposed to be their best scorer, while Lebron is supposed to be their best scorer, playmaker, rebounder and defender. You are just so wrong, dude.

[SpecialQue]

If Lebron doesn't get it this season it'll be only due to people being sick of giving it to him. I don't give a shit about Lebron, but he's clearly the best player in the game, with a HUGE gap between him and Durant.

[knicksman]

Dude wow you are pathetic.Combined joel-bosh frontcourt averages 14,9rpg
Combined ibaka-perkins averages 18.1rpg per 36 both.Not that you understand but that difference is not tiny

Maybe you are a moron but 3.2rpg difference is a lot.If miami was averaging 3.2rpg more,they would 15th instead of 30th in rebounding.Moreover joel doesnt play that much battier play pf more than joel plays center.So lebron assumes rebounding responsibilities.Without lebron rebounding miami wouldnt win games without durant rebounding OKC would still win because of all the above average rebounders.

You are a complete moron.

lebron wants all the stats in the world thats why his teammates arent motivated to play with him. It happened to oscar robertson thats why that guy was a loser. It happened to 32 8 8 jordan, thats why he was a loser too in his early career. It could happen to lebron too had he not joined his best friends coz nobody wants to play with lebron. Hes just too selfish to share stats to his teammates. Its the reason why 30 6 4 jordan is more impactful and won 72 than 32 8 8 coz that jordan trusted his teammates.

Remember when jordan said that the time when he involved his teammates or sacrificed stats is the day he started winning. So that means that 30 8 8 jordan didnt involve his teammates despite the 8 apg. Just like robertson aka the most overrated player didnt involve his teammates despite 8 apg. Thats why I dont think lebron is the most impactful player, its durant. The record says for itself. Durant is having the same season as 30 6 4 jordan while lebron is another 32 8 8 jordan or another oscar who happens to have better teammates.

[Money 23]

It will be a shame if Bron doesn't take it home this year. He's better this season than he was last year. It would be another terrible MVP choice in the long line of poor choices.

[Ikill]

Durant definitely doesn't have a weaker supporting cast.
There pretty close i don't know why you guys are giving me these type of responses like i said something crazy. The Lebron hype/dick riding has reached a point where you can't say anything negative about him. I said one little thing in favor of Durant and people go crazy :wtf:

[alleykat]

Putting down your team to make you favorite player look better is lame...

[Ikill]

Putting down your team to make you favorite player look better is lame...
yes it is....

[gilalizard]

LeRef is on a historically stacked team.

It doesn't mean as much. How easy he has it makes it harder to take it as seriously.

[KingBeasley08]

LeRef is on a historically stacked team.

It doesn't mean as much. How easy he has it makes it harder to take it as seriously.
So he's the best player on a historically stacked team? What about Magic? His teams were stacked as hell. Not the best PG ever because it was too hard to take him seriously :oldlol: :facepalm

[RRR3]

So he's the best player on a historically stacked team? What about Magic? His teams were stacked as hell. Not the best PG ever because it was too hard to take him seriously :oldlol: :facepalm
I like how he calls him "LeRef" but ignores how Durant gets way more calls :facepalm
BTW dude, do you ever check your fantasy team? You're getting pounded weekly:lol

[ILLsmak]

Can't see Bron winning another MVP. That'd just be ridic. HOW MANY MVPS THEY GONNA GIVE THIS GUY?

Usually they move to another person. Even MJ didn't win MVPS like this. Although he hasn't won 3 in a row, he'd still become the only player to win back to back MVPs twice. 4 MVPs in 5 years. Both never been done before.

Not saying he's done winning MVPS, but I really think they'll do it like they did for Rose and give it to someone else this year. Would be very surprised if they didn't. But I mean he does deserve it... but that's usually not how the NBA works.

Edit: Guess Russell won 4/5.

-Smak

[alleykat]

LeRef is on a historically stacked team.

It doesn't mean as much. How easy he has it makes it harder to take it as seriously.

Kobe is on a historically stacked team....he can tell how not easy it is..

[GoSpursGo1984]

It will be a shame if Bron doesn't take it home this year. He's better this season than he was last year. It would be another terrible MVP choice in the long line of poor choices.

Lebron winning would probably be justified but to say Durant winning it is a terrible choice is ridiculous. It seems every year people are saying Lebron had a better year then last year not sure about that I guess whatever you gotta do to prop your guy up.

[HorryIsMyMVP]

Nash should have won the MVP the year Dirk lost to the warriors.:lol

[KingBeasley08]

I like how he calls him "LeRef" but ignores how Durant gets way more calls :facepalm
BTW dude, do you ever check your fantasy team? You're getting pounded weekly:lol
I haven't checked that in a longass time :lol

[Collie]

Lebron will suffer from voter burnout. I mean, MJ probably should have won every MVP from 90-98, barring the 2 years he retired, but voters were sick of him winning all the time.

[DatAsh]

yes it is....

Says a guy who's constantly doing the same thing with Kobe and the Lakers. Besides, I'm a Lakers fan if anything, so the Heat definitely aren't "my" team.

Lebron and Durant's supporting casts are certainly close, I wasn't suggesting that they weren't. I just sniffed a bit of agenda and felt like pointing it out.

Still, given the choice I'd rather have Durant's cast. It's less top heavy, but it's deeper overall and fits together twice as well.

[FindingTim]

Where did you learn math professor?
14/31 is lower than 53%...:facepalm

hey man, I don't appreciate the condescending tone! :lol
but you are right, my math was WEAK-- I'm retiring from math.

also, the idea that Durant has a weaker supporting cast is ludicrous. People are just enamored with the names Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh. At this point, Wade's star power is based more on his name than his impact. I know his stats are nice, but he is not the same guy.

And when evaluating the Heat, people should focus less on the names Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh, and more on the names Norris Cole, Udonis Haslem, and Joel Anthony-- which is a HUGE dropoff from the Collison/Perkins crew.

[Hank]

Lebron is the clear cut MVP this year:


Tom Haberstroh ‏@tomhaberstroh

In the past two decades, only two players have shot 56+ pct from the floor on 18+ attempts per game: Shaq and LeBron.


Tom Haberstroh ‏@tomhaberstroh

LeBron is 20 of 21 FG (95.2 percent) in the first quarter during this 5 game streak of his.


Tom Haberstroh ‏@tomhaberstroh

LeBron is shooting 71.4 FG% over his last five games. Michael Jordan's best FG% over five games? 69.6 FG% back in 1988.


Tom Haberstroh ‏@tomhaberstroh

LeBron has shot at least 50 pct in 17 of his 19 games in 2013. Carmelo has shot 50+ pct in just 16 games this season.


Tom Haberstroh ‏@tomhaberstroh

List of players who can match LeBron in assists per game and 3FG% this season: Steve Nash and Jose Calderon. That's it.


Tom Haberstroh ‏@tomhaberstroh

Last one: LeBron is currently shooting 56 pct from the floor and 42 pct on 100+ threes. No one's ever done that.

Try touching that

[HEAT111]

If the Heat win against the Thunder this thursday, he'll have a long run ahead Durant for the MVP.

[All Net]

Durant was ahead but what Lebron has done the past 5-10 games has put him in the lead.

[ShaqAttack3234]

I've thought Lebron was the best player in the game all year, though I did have Durant ahead as MVP until this recent stretch, but I'd have to give it to Lebron at the moment. With that being said, Lebron may not get it because of his record. If Durant wins significantly more games in a tougher conference then I could easily see him getting more MVP votes.


IMO MVP's MJ should have won: 1991, 1992, 1996, 1997, 1998

1997: Jordan, not Malone should have won
1988: Bird, not Jordan should have won

He also had a good case in 1990. The year Barkley won, it was Hakeem's award imo.

Pretty much agree. I'd give Jordan the MVPs from '90-'92 and '96-'98. So he should definitely have 6, imo.

He does have a case for '88, '89 and '93, but I'd probably lean towards Bird in '88 and Hakeem in '93. Though Jordan and Magic is a good debate for '89.


Thats not the problem though.Shaq has never been a dominant in regular season and kobe has been dominant for 2 seasons where his team sucked.Even when he won mvp back in 2008 he was no where near lebron valuable(or durant for that matter)

Shaq was regularly dominant whenever he stepped on the court, though in many years, he missed too many games. Otherwise, he'd have had a real case for MVPs in '98 and '02.

With that being said, I thought he was easily the best player in the game in 2001, didn't miss too many games and only 1 team had a better record, so I've always thought he was truly the MVP that year. He probably would have gotten it in '95 as well had the Spurs not made that late surge and finished with a better record. Can't complain about Robinson being voted MVP and Shaq finishing 2nd, though.

And :oldlol: at '08 Kobe being nowhere near as valuable as Lebron or Durant. Did you watch him that year? His all around game, scoring and impact on his teammates were amazing.

I'd give Kobe the '06 MVP as well. He was clearly the best player in the game and his team overachieved given his supporting cast and what he was asked to do. Nash's Suns had a low win total compared to other MVPs anyway.


2008 Kobe was a better player than 2008 Lebron in my opinion.

No doubt about it, imo. Kobe was simply the best in the game that year. Paul also had a legit case for MVP, but I think Kobe deserved it.


His previous 4 seasons were all better.

There's no way all 4 were better. Personally, this is the best I've seen Lebron play.

[BrickingStar]

I've thought Lebron was the best player in the game all year, though I did have Durant ahead as MVP until this recent stretch, but I'd have to give it to Lebron at the moment. With that being said, Lebron may not get it because of his record. If Durant wins significantly more games in a tougher conference then I could easily see him getting more MVP votes.



Pretty much agree. I'd give Jordan the MVPs from '90-'92 and '96-'98. So he should definitely have 6, imo.

He does have a case for '88, '89 and '93, but I'd probably lean towards Bird in '88 and Hakeem in '93. Though Jordan and Magic is a good debate for '89.



Shaq was regularly dominant whenever he stepped on the court, though in many years, he missed too many games. Otherwise, he'd have had a real case for MVPs in '98 and '02.

With that being said, I thought he was easily the best player in the game in 2001, didn't miss too many games and only 1 team had a better record, so I've always thought he was truly the MVP that year. He probably would have gotten it in '95 as well had the Spurs not made that late surge and finished with a better record. Can't complain about Robinson being voted MVP and Shaq finishing 2nd, though.

And :oldlol: at '08 Kobe being nowhere near as valuable as Lebron or Durant. Did you watch him that year? His all around game, scoring and impact on his teammates were amazing.

I'd give Kobe the '06 MVP as well. He was clearly the best player in the game and his team overachieved given his supporting cast and what he was asked to do. Nash's Suns had a low win total compared to other MVPs anyway.



No doubt about it, imo. Kobe was simply the best in the game that year. Paul also had a legit case for MVP, but I think Kobe deserved it.



There's no way all 4 were better. Personally, this is the best I've seen Lebron play.
Was this suppoused to be bold? I don't know any OKC fan here that thinks otherwise.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Was this suppoused to be bold? I don't know any OKC fan here that thinks otherwise.

I didn't make it bold. You did. Look at my post above.

[BrickingStar]

I didn't make it bold. You did. Look at my post above.
I meant it as in a "bold" statement

[ShaqAttack3234]

I meant it as in a "bold" statement

No, I was just clarifying that despite having Durant ahead as MVP until recently, I always considered Lebron the better player.

[Ikill]

Says a guy who's constantly doing the same thing with Kobe and the Lakers. Besides, I'm a Lakers fan if anything, so the Heat definitely aren't "my" team.

Lebron and Durant's supporting casts are certainly close, I wasn't suggesting that they weren't. I just sniffed a bit of agenda and felt like pointing it out.

Still, given the choice I'd rather have Durant's cast. It's less top heavy, but it's deeper overall and fits together twice as well.
Wait what? What do i do with Kobe and the Lakers?

[BrickingStar]

No, I was just clarifying that despite having Durant ahead as MVP until recently, I always considered Lebron the better player.
Ah okay, well yeah I would hope people on here would know the didffrence in meaning between both but this is ISH so you have a point. Carrying on then :cheers:

[LakersFan626]

Voter fatigue is a real thang.

If voter fatigue didn't exist, LeBron would be a 5-Time MVP (No offense to D-Rose or KD) after this year. MVP of the league for half of his 10 year career. A 5-TIME (COUNT IT... 5- TIME) MVP in just 10 seasons. Just let that sink in...

4 time MVP. Rose won in 10-11.

[Jolokia]

Lebron's been out-of-this-world-flat-out-dominate in his stretch of home games. The real test is his 4-game stretch of away games with a back-to-back.

Thunder
Atlanta
Chicago
Philly

The MVP discussions can continue after that but currently, it's Lebron at #1 and Parker or Durant at #2.

[Duncan21formvp]

How does Durant not deserve it? He has a better record than Lebron. Has less allstars on his team, he also leads the league in WS/PER 48 minutes and Win Shares while Lebron leads in PER. Not like Lebron is leading in all 3 like last year or something.

[ShaqAttack3234]

How does Durant not deserve it? He has a better record than Lebron. Has less allstars on his team, he also leads the league in WS/PER 48 minutes and Win Shares while Lebron leads in PER. Not like Lebron is leading in all 3 like last year or something.

:facepalm

[SilkkTheShocker]

My mind is still blown after reading a poster actually say LeBron's last 4 seasons were better :oldlol:

1. 2013
2. 2012
3. 2009
4. 2010
5. 2011

2012 and 2009 are close, but I give 2012 the edge for better post play

[Whoah10115]

There's no way all 4 were better. Personally, this is the best I've seen Lebron play.



The argument would be against his first season in Miami. And I have that season better simply because his defense was better and that's before really taking this recent stretch into consideration. His recent stretch is super exaggerated, because people love to dap everything recent.

His defense is clearly not as good as it was last year. And I still think he played a more organic (I can't stop using this word now) kind of basketball last season. He's a better player now, but I just don't see how this season is as good as last year. The disparity in his defense is obvious.

[ShaqAttack3234]

The argument would be against his first season in Miami. And I have that season better simply because his defense was better and that's before really taking this recent stretch into consideration. His recent stretch is super exaggerated, because people love to dap everything recent.

His defense is clearly not as good as it was last year. And I still think he played a more organic (I can't stop using this word now) kind of basketball last season. He's a better player now, but I just don't see how this season is as good as last year. The disparity in his defense is obvious.

I agree that his defense was better the last 2 seasons, but his halfcourt game is so much better. He's become a better post player and he can play better without the ball than pre-2012. But for some reason, he also seems quicker than 2011. Strange, I know, but it's obvious watching the games, and his shooting is better than ever, easily better than last season. He just seems more dominant. I'm shocked at how good his jump shot has been.

Lebron now and 2011 isn't debatable.

[Hoopz2332]

Durant has fallen off the map:oldlol: I was reading a Thunder blog talking about their loss to Denver and read this



"I went ahead and did the counting just now. In the fifteen games since the All-Star break--KD has 77 assists to 65 turnovers . That would come out to 5.13 assist per game and 4.33 turnovers per game. However the numbers become more revealing if you throw out the routs over hapless New Orleans and Charlotte...where KD had a combined 17 assists and 3 turnovers. Take those numbers out of play and KD's numbers in the remaining 13 games against viable competition are 60 assists to 62 turnovers."

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