RULE QUESTION: Are you allowed to pumpfake/pivot after a HOPSTEP ???

[unbreakable]

I dont understand why sometimes players are allowed to pumpfake or pivot after a hopstep...

if you hopstep, thats 2 steps.. you GOTTA GO UP FOR A SHOT or PASS, you cant continue to make moves or its a travel.

amirite?:confusedshrug:

[Batz]

Wrong.

You are allowed to establish a pivot foot after a hopstep same as you are allowed to establish a pivot after picking up your dribble. Basic Basketball.

[Dwade305]

Wrong.

You are allowed to establish a pivot foot after a hopstep same as you are allowed to establish a pivot after picking up your dribble. Basic Basketball.
So you take 2 steps, stop and you are allowed to pivot? Thats not basic basketball


Who the f* knows to be honest...seen it slide about 35% of the time in the NBA, local park, rec leagues etc.

[maybeshewill13]

Pretty sure playing basketball growing up in comps you had to go up if you took 2 steps? Not sure what the rule is in the NBA.. they seem to let a lot of travels go.

[IGOTGAME]

Wrong.

You are allowed to establish a pivot foot after a hopstep same as you are allowed to establish a pivot after picking up your dribble. Basic Basketball.
Lol @ kids these days.

[Batz]

So you take 2 steps, stop and you are allowed to pivot? Thats not basic basketball


Who the f* knows to be honest...seen it slide about 35% of the time in the NBA, local park, rec leagues etc.
Why are not allowed to pivot? You are practically stationery, and the ball does not advance within your possession, and your footing is proper under the traditional manner. You are not given any unjust advantage in the process after picking up your dribble and taking two legal steps.

[maybeshewill13]

Why are not allowed to pivot? You are practically stationery, and the ball does not advance within your possession, and your footing is proper under the traditional manner. You are not given any unjust advantage in the process.
Because you've just taken two steps without dribbling which would be a travel under normal circumstances, thus why I was under the impression that meant you HAD to go up after those steps or it was a travel.

[Batz]

Because you've just taken two steps without dribbling which would be a travel under normal circumstances, thus why I was under the impression that meant you HAD to go up after those steps or it was a travel.
You are allowed to take two steps after a dribble, and establish a pivot foot if necessary. This is universally accepted.

You are also allowed to take 2.5 steps, this is professionally (somewhat universally) accepted. You take two advancing steps, and a third 'take-off' step. The hop-step is the same case, as with the euro and two step.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

i'm pretty sure you have to go up off 2 feet after hop stepping. so you can pumpfake but not pivot. not sure though

[Batz]

i'm pretty sure you have to go up off 2 feet after hop stepping.
Kobe Bryant & Hakeem Olajuwon wouldn't have much of a basketball career if that were the case.

[L8kersfan222]

lebron got these goons thinking they can take five steps.

[maybeshewill13]

You are allowed to take two steps after a dribble, and establish a pivot foot if necessary. This is universally accepted.

You are also allowed to take 2.5 steps, this is professionally (somewhat universally) accepted. You take two advancing steps, and a third 'take-off' step. The hop-step is the same case, as with the euro and two step.

:facepalm that's a clear travel. The NBA is just too protective of their stars to call it. If a scrub did it, it would be a travel straight away.

[IGOTGAME]

You are not allowed to pivot after a hop step. This 100% true. Youngins disregard all other comments.

[Asukal]

You are not allowed to pivot after a hop step. This 100% true. Youngins disregard all other comments.

:applause:

If you didn't take off after a hopstep, its a travel. How do you not know this if you play basketball? :confusedshrug:

[Cali Syndicate]

If the hopstep is taken as the second step then the player cannot pivot. The player doesnt need to go up but picking up either foot, if not at the same time, would be a travel.

If the hop step is taken as soon as the player picks up the dribble then establishing a pivot is legal.

[ILLsmak]

Yea I always thought a hop step was your two steps. But I've seen many people do hop steps and then shit in the NBA. It's hard to tell what's really legal. If someone did that in a pick up game I'd be like heh you know you traveled right. I even think people who step and hop step are traveling. I always thought a hop step was all you could do... driving the lane, hop step... and some of those hops steps people do haha... it's like jesus christ. Flying through the lane. I always thought it was a gather. things dun changed.

-Smak

[MMM]

a hop step is one step so you can pivot depending on which step is the hop step from my understanding

[SyRyanYang]

Can you go for a layup but hit the brake at 2nd step and stand one-footed for a couple of seconds?

[chosen_one6]

Can you go for a layup but hit the brake at 2nd step and stand one-footed for a couple of seconds?

That's worse than jumping for a pass. Awkward movement, horrible balance, and likely a turnover if you do that.

[ProfessorMurder]

I dont understand why sometimes players are allowed to pumpfake or pivot after a hopstep...

if you hopstep, thats 2 steps.. you GOTTA GO UP FOR A SHOT or PASS, you cant continue to make moves or its a travel.

amirite?:confusedshrug:

Why are you asking about pump faking? You don't need to move your feet for that.

Once you hopstep you can't pivot. They don't seem to call it much, but it's a travel.

[SyRyanYang]

That's worse than jumping for a pass. Awkward movement, horrible balance, and likely a turnover if you do that.
Obviously it's awkward and imbalanced. But if you can occasionally pull that off, you'd send your defenders flying and have tons of room to shoot or pass.

[SyRyanYang]

That's worse than jumping for a pass. Awkward movement, horrible balance, and likely a turnover if you do that.
It's not so different from THE DREAM SHAKE isn't it?

[bdreason]

You can pivot after a hop step, but the pivot foot has to be opposite the foot you jumped off of.


So if you jump off your left foot and land on two feet, the right foot is your pivot foot. If you use your left foot as a pivot, then it's traveling.

[AlexanderRight]

Will never understand why there's always so much disagreement over these things.:wtf:

[Glide2keva]

:applause:

If you didn't take off after a hopstep, its a travel. How do you not know this if you play basketball? :confusedshrug:
Simple answer. They don't play basketball.

[albas89]

Yes, you are allowed... NBA refs agree with me!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvxIazBszYs

:biggums:

[Overdrive]

Kobe Bryant & Hakeem Olajuwon wouldn't have much of a basketball career if that were the case.

You should rewatch Hakeem's career then.

I learned to play ball under FIBA rules and it was clearly not allowed to pivot after doing a hopstep. Refs wouldn't call a pumpfake though, because you're still on both feet.

The NBA rules aren't very clear on it though.

[Noof]

No you're not supposed to pivot after a hopstep because that's 3 steps. Pump fakes are ok though since they don't involve your feet.

[pauk]

When receiving a pass with a jump-stop, you can pivot after the jump-stop and either foot can become the pivot foot. This is especially helpful for post players.... A perimeter player can catch the ball with a jump-stop and then pivot into triple-threat position if necessary and use the non-pivot foot for executing jab-step fakes or a drive step....

But a player who already has possession of the ball that makes a dribble move into the lane, picks up the dribble, takes off of one foot, and then lands a two-footed jump-stop, so far so good.... this is a "HOP STEP".... Technically this is 3 steps, but the last 2 counts as 1 since both feet land at the same time and take of at the same time.... many confuse this with a travel, but it is not.... its a travel (3 steps) only if both feet dont land at the same time or if both feet dont leave the ground at the same time (when you jump)...

Hence why after landing, the player cannot move either foot and has no pivot foot since the one step was already used up prior to the jump-stop...

Once you are in that jump stop the player can just stand and do his pump fake how much he ever wants (unless he is in the paint, 3 seconds), he can jump upward, but must either shoot or pass the ball before either foot touches the floor again....

To answer your question.... you can pumpfake but you cant pivot after a hop step...

[CeltsGarlic]

Some of yall know shit about bball. Obviously cant pivot, but can pumpfake...

[pauk]

One more very important thing, i have noticed that many fans (even in this forum) confuse a hop step with a jump stop and hence confuse the rules...

The key to determine whether you can pivot after the jump stop is whether you terminate your dribble with a foot still on the floor (this is a HOP STEP, doing a hop step into a jump stop) or terminate the dribble after the jump with both feet in the air (this is a 100% JUMP STOP). For the latter, either foot may be used as a pivot provided you land on the floor with both feet simultaneously after the jump......

Yes a hop step ends up with a jump stop and that procedure looks kindof similar to just doing a jump stop... but since the hop step was made before the jump stop the jump stop now has different rules... understand?

[ihoopallday]

Don't like the rules, then quit watching basketball! It's really that damn simple.

[BMOGEFan]

When receiving a pass with a jump-stop, you can pivot after the jump-stop and either foot can become the pivot foot. This is especially helpful for post players.... A perimeter player can catch the ball with a jump-stop and then pivot into triple-threat position if necessary and use the non-pivot foot for executing jab-step fakes or a drive step....

But a player who already has possession of the ball that makes a dribble move into the lane, picks up the dribble, takes off of one foot, and then lands a two-footed jump-stop, so far so good.... this is a "HOP STEP".... Technically this is 3 steps, but the last 2 counts as 1 since both feet land at the same time and take of at the same time.... many confuse this with a travel, but it is not.... its a travel (3 steps) only if both feet dont land at the same time or if both feet dont leave the ground at the same time (when you jump)...

Hence why after landing, the player cannot move either foot and has no pivot foot since the one step was already used up prior to the jump-stop...

Once you are in that jump stop the player can just stand and do his pump fake how much he ever wants (unless he is in the paint, 3 seconds), he can jump upward, but must either shoot or pass the ball before either foot touches the floor again....

To answer your question.... you can pumpfake but you cant pivot after a hop step...

WOW pauk knows the rules better than 90% of the board.

Just admit lebron travels....thats all i'm asking.

[Blue&Orange]

Yes, you are allowed... NBA refs agree with me!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvxIazBszYs

:biggums:
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This was a preview from Lebron's new upcoming book: Winning a ring in 4 simple steps

:roll:

Heat are the goat franchise of the NBE, they lead with 2 titles, followed by Lakers with one.

[Myth]

I only read the first page, but you absolutely can pivot after a hop step. The problem is that some people take a step, hop step, and then pivot which makes it a travel. If you do a hop step and end your dribble as part of the hop step, then you can take a pivot.

[OldSchoolBBall]

You are not allowed to pivot after a hop step. This 100% true. Youngins disregard all other comments.

Umm, you certainly are. I haven't read the NBA rule book, but if you take a hop step/jump stop and land with both feet at the same time, you can then declare either foot your pivot and execute any fake you want to off of that. It has always been done and is never called.

[IGOTGAME]

Umm, you certainly are. I haven't read the NBA rule book, but if you take a hop step/jump stop and land with both feet at the same time, you can then declare either foot your pivot and execute any fake you want to off of that. It has always been done and is never called.
You are confusing a gather with a jump stop. You still have your dribble if you hop into gather. But if you have already started your dribble and go into a jump stop you have no pivot. Its a travel and it is clear.

[kenny817]

Wrong.

You are allowed to establish a pivot foot after a hopstep same as you are allowed to establish a pivot after picking up your dribble. Basic Basketball.

lol future neg for you sir

[OldSchoolBBall]

You are confusing a gather with a jump stop. You still have your dribble if you hop into gather. But if you have already started your dribble and go into a jump stop you have no pivot. Its a travel and it is clear.

I guess I cant visualize the difference between what we're talking about. Got a video of what you're talking about that's illegal, or at least the jump stop portion? Are you using jump stop/hop step interchangeably?

[Floppy]

Wrong.

You are allowed to establish a pivot foot after a hopstep same as you are allowed to establish a pivot after picking up your dribble. Basic Basketball.
:banghead:

[Asukal]

I guess I cant visualize the difference between what we're talking about. Got a video of what you're talking about that's illegal, or at least the jump stop portion? Are you using jump stop/hop step interchangeably?

When he says gather, I assume it means when a player receives the ball from a pass or rebound. If this happens, the player is in a triple threat situation so its completely legal to establish a pivot foot.

You see some players do a hop step as they receive a pass to establish their footing and balance. In this position they can drive left or right and it would be harder for the defense to read since both feet are parallel to each other.

[brantonli]

Right, so this is the typial hop step move:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNHvktSZcHc

LeBron takes one giant leap, lands on two feet, and jumps again for the layup. This is perfectly legal.

What is illegal is if:

LeBron takes a giant leap, lands on two feat, then pivots around one of those feet before jumping for the layup. The player has already taken the two step (the initial leap, and then when both 2 feet land on the ground, that's the 2nd step).

Old School bball, I think what you are thinking of is when Kevin Garnett does this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8owgQNM0d70

That's not a 'hopstep' because he essentially finished dribbling the ball but didn't take an extra step after that, that's why Garnett is allowed to pivot one side or the other.

[ace23]

LeBron traveled on that play, and he didn't even pivot. He took a step, then hopped, which counts as another 2 steps.

[ace23]

You are not allowed to pivot after a hop step. This 100% true. Youngins disregard all other comments.
This.

[gasolina]

One way to differentiate between a jump stop and hop step is when passing the ball.

Imagine you're the point guard and feeding the ball to the post. You dribble to the wing pick up your dribble, plant both feet....

...that's like a mini jump stop, i.e. you don't do that leap off one foot...

However, before you could even pass the ball your defender pressures you, you pivot to protect the ball and pass near the half court line.

Not a travel.

[Burgz V2]

the rule is you may pick up your pivot foot to shoot or pass. that's it. according to the rules this shouldn't be allowed but it usually happens so fast refs choose to ignore it.

they cracked down on the hop-step in the mid 2000s because of this exact problem. players would take a massive hop step and THEN try to do a hakeem/rondo like fake and pivot which is completely unfair, let alone against the purest interpretation of the rule.

[joshwake]

Wrong.

You are allowed to establish a pivot foot after a hopstep same as you are allowed to establish a pivot after picking up your dribble. Basic Basketball.
Love how you obviously just pulled this out of your ass and want everyone to just accept it.

[Tking714]

I'm 100% sure that a lot of you are mixing up a dropstep with a hopstep