The Saga Of Greek Cup Final 2013

[Euroleague]

This is the saga of the 2013 Greek Cup Final.

First, as Olympiacos players were warming up, a flare was thrown by Panathinaikos fans onto the court. It hit Olympiacos player Kyle Hines in the head and burned off part of his hair. Flares were being fired across the arena and burning the seats. Also fans ripped some seats out of the arena.

Hines had to get medical attention. The referees of the game, when Olympiacos ownership told them that under the rules, the game could then be cancelled due to safety issues supposedly said, "we didn't see anything".

Hines was laid out on the floor with a concussion in the middle of the court for some time........

The next thing that happened was, after the game started, a fight broke out in the stands between Olympiacos and Panathinaikos fans. Each team was only allowed to have 1,000 fans each (in a 16,000 seat arena) for security issues.......

But, despite this, some fans managed to elude the security and a fight broke out in the stands.

Then, some fans entered onto the court and some got in fights with the police at the game.

The next thing that happened was that an Olympiacos fan, whom evidently writes for one of the Greek sports papers, brought a shank onto the floor and was seemingly threatening people with it.

Some Olympiacos fans, in retaliation for the Hines injury, threw objects at the Panathinaikos players, and hit Panathinaikos player Michael Bramos in the arm with a knife. He was injured.

The game was delayed for quite some time, as the players left the court for safety reasons.

Then, all of the 2,000 fans in the arena were ordered to leave by the police, so that the game could be played in an empty arena, again for safety reasons.

Then, after the game resumed, the owner of Panathinaikos, Dimitris Giannakopoulos, apparently began shouting threats and swearing at the 3 refs. He was supposedly heard because the arena was empty with all the fans gone.

He was supposedly heard telling the refs that if they did not call the game in favor of Panathinaikos, that they would pay from the fans when they had to enter into Panathinaikos' arena again, and that the refs would be attacked in their own homes, as happened to a ref just recently.

Just recently, he had reportedly gone into the locker room of the refs and implied that they would be physically attacked if they did not call the next game (this one) to his liking.................one of the refs filed a complaint that his house was then attacked right after this and that Panathinaikos fans threw rocks through his windows.

Some journalists also reportedly complained that the Panathinaikos owner threatened them.

It is also reported that the uncle of the owner of Panathinaikos (who is about 80 something years old), extremely and severely yelled, swore and threatened Vassilis Spanoulis during the game.

Then, after the refs of course seemingly rigged the game, by doing things like calling shot clock violations that were not, or not calling ones that should have been, not letting any players guard Diamantidis the whole game (Acie Law told the press the refs called a foul if you even came near Diamantidis and he said, "I saw fear in the eyes of the refs if they did not call a foul to who was guarding Diamantidis"), a technical foul given to Perperoglou after he stole the ball from Diamantidis, that didn't actually happen, an illegal basket being counted by James Gist, when he hung on the rim, pulled himself up, and dunked, etc.......

The players of Olympiacos got so pissed off that they left the court, only after their owners told them to. They reportedly wanted to stay on the court and demand the refs explain what they did. They then reportedly went to the locker room and refused to come out for the award ceremony, which is required under the rules.

Instead, they supposedly went to the refs' locker room. Supposedly, the refs were told by the Olympiacos players that they know they rigged the game. The players were said to be enraged and furious and yelling at the refs.

The refs left the arena and would not talk to reporters.

Then, the Olympiacos owners filed an official objection against the refs.............

The coach of Olympiacos, at the press conference, talked about the owner of Panathinaikos implying threats to the refs to attacks in their homes, and that there was like a climate of terrorism to his players during the game.

As if all of this was not enough, Sofoklis Schortsanitis (Panathinaikos player) supposedly said that he would kill Pero Antic (Olympiacos player) the next time he sees him. Not to be outdone, the coach of Panathinaikos, Argyris Pedoulakis, reportedly shouted a slur at Antic.

The Panathinaikos owner said that he wanted to file charges and "have a judge to punish the filthy club Olympiacos" over Bramos being hit in the arm by a knife.


Olympiacos player Kyle Hines, after being hit in the head with a flare fired by Panathinaikos fans:

http://www.redplanet.gr/basket/kypello_elladas_basket/article2123226.ece/BINARY/w620/kayle.jpg

http://www.redplanet.gr/basket/kypello_elladas_basket/article2123237.ece/BINARY/w620/kyle.jpg


The Olympiacos medical staff rushing to the aid of Kyle Hines:

http://www.redplanet.gr/basket/kypello_elladas_basket/article2123539.ece/BINARY/original/kyle.jpg


The smoke from a flare that was fired at the riot police that were at the game for security measures. The broken up pieces of red plastic are the remains of the arena's chairs that were ripped out of the concrete and thrown onto the floor:

http://www.redplanet.gr/basket/kypello_elladas_basket/article2123367.ece/BINARY/original/mapes.jpg

[Euroleague]

Some video of some of the incidents:


The flares being fired by the 1,000 Panathianikos fans at the 1,000 Olympiacos fans, and the one flare that hit Kyle Hines in the head.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=W5ksxGgpXKE


Flares being fired, chairs being ripped out of the arena and thrown onto the court, a fan running onto the court and threatening people with a knife, fire being set off in the stands, some fans threatening some security guards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VbGxqc_1PBs#


Ripped out chairs being thrown onto the court.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWvDB70ZkTU


Chairs being ripped out and thrown on the floor, flares being set off, fans entering the court, cannons firing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3CmlC6NAYY&list=UU3y7pL9boqyhVT6YNNw_v1w&index=12


Michael Bramos being rushed off the court after being hit with a knife, and the refs ordering the arena to be evacuated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFGlmQU7zs4&feature=player_embedded#!


The illegal basket by James Gist at the end of the game, that decided the game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Fpt_XxVSek&list=UU3y7pL9boqyhVT6YNNw_v1w&index=9

[Clutch]

Just another day in Greece :lol

[millwad]

The object that hit Bramos was a knife and Hines didn't get a concussion.

[Sakkreth]

The object that hit Bramos was a knife and Hines didn't get a concussion.

Euroleague I lick ur mom's vag

Ahaha, u edited this quickly, so u gave it a second thought and realised u failed ? :roll:

[millwad]

Ahaha, u edited this quickly, so u gave it a second thought and realised u failed ?
Euroleagues moms vag, seriously that is so lame because I was there first and jizzed in it.
:roll:

Lol, what's wrong with you?

[gabepizza]

Greek Cup Final being played in front of 0 fans. Wow talk about bush league.

[Euroleague]

The object that hit Bramos was a knife and Hines didn't get a concussion.

Hines did get a concussion. Olympiacos' coach said after the game that the player had a concussion.

[East_Stone_Ya]

passionate fans I guess :confusedshrug:

[Nick Young]

Greece can't do anything right:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Fiba basketball]

Well at least that game finished

Yesterday Partizan and Red Star played in Serbian Cup finals and game was stoped in the 3rd quarter and it will be continouted today .

As I heard some Red Star fan tried to set Partizan flag on fire so Partizan fans grabbed him and started beating him so Red star fans started runing on the court to get to the idiot that wanted to set the flag on fire . Game was stoped and police made some fans to leave but there were a lot of fans left in the arena so when players got back on the flor and started warming up head coach of Partizan Dusko Vujosevic came to that side of the court and some people started throwing things at him so Djilas ( president of Serbian basketball federation ) decided that game shoudn't be palyed and that it will be played next day without the fans .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2GO2Ribgjo

[Euroleague]

Well at least that game finished

Yesterday Partizan and Red Star played in Serbian Cup finals and game was stoped in the 3rd quarter and it will be continouted today .

As I heard some Red Star fan tried to set Partizan flag on fire so Partizan fans grabbed him and started beating him so Red star fans started runing on the court to get to the idiot that wanted to set the flag on fire . Game was stoped and police made some fans to leave but there were a lot of fans left in the arena so when players got back on the flor and started warming up head coach of Partizan Dusko Vujosevic came to that side of the court and some people started throwing things at him so Djilas ( president of Serbian basketball federation ) decided that game shoudn't be palyed and that it will be played next day without the fans .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2GO2Ribgjo

That's the proper thing to do in such situations. For the refs to stop the game. What happened in Athens was an absolute disgrace, with the refs allowing all of that to happen and still playing the game.

[Nash]

Bunch of malakas. But the atmosphere is those games is so awesome.

[Partizan]

There was shit at Serbian Cup finals yesterday as well, I guess our idiots wanted to prove they are as idiotic as Greeks...

Edit:

Just saw FIBA's post above me, I know fans create great atmosphere to play here, but a lot of them think that they are bigger than the sport itself...

[AirTupac]

Typical thugs / classless people. How do they expect to pay for those damages? Greece can barely afford water at this point.

[Euroleague]

Bunch of malakas. But the atmosphere is those games is so awesome.

Players from both teams got injured by fans. It's going too far.

[andremiller07]

So basically the fans don't even come to watch the sport anymore rather they come to revisit hostilities with people who they probably don't know based on the fact they support someone different from the same city.:facepalm Which they get nothing out of, nothing constructive other than a bit of a adrenline rush which they could get by simply watching a good game of basketball. All while risking getting serious injury by potenitally losing an eye or something even worse.

Makes sense...........

[Fiba basketball]

That's the proper thing to do in such situations. For the refs to stop the game. What happened in Athens was an absolute disgrace, with the refs allowing all of that to happen and still playing the game.

Game was stopped because Red Star wanted to not because refs wanted to , Vujosevic wanted the game to be continued and that's why he went to argue and Red Star fans stared throwing thing at him .

Last year in game 4 of the Serbian league finals game was played in Zeleznik and there weren't any conditions for game to be played but refs didn't stoped it .
Red Star fans so close to the court that they were spitting on Partizan coach , they hit Milosavljevic in the head with the ball , climbed on basket and they even hit their own head coach Pesic in the head with the bottle that was ment for Partzian players .

In basketball thing like that can only happen in Serbia or Greece

[Euroleague]

Typical thugs / classless people. How do they expect to pay for those damages? Greece can barely afford water at this point.

They won't be worried about it. 3 years ago the same thing happened, only at Olympiacos' arena and during the Greek League finals.

The fans ripped out chairs and threw them on the court, set fires off in the stands, burned down a concession area, burned down a restaurant, AND they took sledgehammers to marble in many places of the arena and ruined it and threw the pieces of marble on the court.....

AND they ripped toilets and sinks out of the bathroom and kitchen areas and threw them on the court..............

The fans didn't have to pay for damages. Instead the owners of Olympiacos were made to pay it. It was something like €8.5 million euros.

So the fans are not worried about having to pay for this, using that previous incident as an example. But at least when that happened before, the refs stopped the game and series. They didn't let it continue and escalate.

Letting this continue in this game and escalate to players being injured is just too much.

[Partizan]

Typical thugs / classless people. How do they expect to pay for those damages? Greece can barely afford water at this point.

:D

Well, I know you were joking but social and economic situation in the county has a lot to do with these events, people feel the need to express their discontent somewhere...

It's a shame that sport is becoming a hostage of organized fan groups...

[AirTupac]

Why are these fans so scum-like? It's 2013. These are the same fans who'll shout racial slurs at players and make monkey sounds.

[Euroleague]

Game was stopped because Red Star wanted to not because refs wanted to , Vujosevic wanted the game to be continued and that's why he went to argue and Red Star fans stared throwing thing at him .

Last year in game 4 of the Serbian league finals game was played in Zeleznik and there weren't any conditions for game to be played but refs didn't stoped it .
Red Star fans so close to the court that they were spitting on Partizan coach , they hit Milosavljevic in the head with the ball , climbed on basket and they even hit their own head coach Pesic in the head with the bottle that was ment for Partzian players .

In basketball thing like that can only happen in Serbia or Greece

Well, Bartzokas said in the post game interview that he asked the game to be stopped after Hines got hurt and the refs told him, "we didn't see anyone get hurt".

And because of that, then Bramos got hurt also. So the refs in Serbia are at least acting better.

But yes, Serbia and Greece hooligan incidents are getting out of control. Cyprus has a huge problem with it too.

[andremiller07]

Why are these fans so scum-like? It's 2013. These are the same fans who'll shout racial slurs at players and make monkey sounds.

People with low self-esteem, they got nothing constructive to live for so guess what they become destructive and instead of trying to build something positive they rather turn it to shit so they have nothing or have no hope of having anything.

[Fiba basketball]

Why are these fans so scum-like? It's 2013. These are the same fans who'll shout racial slurs at players and make monkey sounds.

Those people didn't do anything with their life and they think that their frustration will go away if they isult and beat up everyone that isn't a fan of their team .

[Euroleague]

Why are these fans so scum-like? It's 2013. These are the same fans who'll shout racial slurs at players and make monkey sounds.

Actually, the fans didn't make any slurs in this game. It was actually the coach of Panathinaikos that is accused of making a slur to a player.

[Partizan]

Why are these fans so scum-like? It's 2013. These are the same fans who'll shout racial slurs at players and make monkey sounds.

It's really complex... I don't support those fans and I think people who organise and spark this kind of violence are a minority of club's fans but they are the one that make all the decisions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxAPggIvK2I

This is just a small of example of what kind of atmosphere they can create, they are an important part of club's success...

Problems are much deeper than just classifying all fans as scumbags.

Many fan groups in Europe (Balkans), are also invested in crime, leaders of those groups profit in various ways and use the sport as a mask for their activities, they don't actually care for anything that happens on the court.

[Fiba basketball]

Well, Bartzokas said in the post game interview that he asked the game to be stopped after Hines got hurt and the refs told him, "we didn't see anyone get hurt".

And because of that, then Bramos got hurt also. So the refs in Serbia are at least acting better.

But yes, Serbia and Greece hooligan incidents are getting out of control. Cyprus has a huge problem with it too.

Problem is that no one will be arested for things like this and it will happen again . This is the 3rd time this season that I wached where police needed to make the fans leave , things like that are becoming normal now and that isn't good .

[Blue&Orange]

I guess starving hooligans are worse than hooligans

[AirTupac]

I guess starving hooligans are worse than hooligans

Greek fans were probably trying to eat the chairs.

[Euroleague]

I guess starving hooligans are worse than hooligans

These people are not starving. Get serious. The only people that could get tickets are ones that have money. They only allowed 2,000 tickets total to clubs with fan bases of well over 3 million each.

Only people that could pay a lot for a ticket got in there.

[tomtucker]

greeks/turks...barbaric braindead scum.............what else is new......

[devin112]

at least the greek economy is doing great....

[gabepizza]

And "Euroleague" actually compared Olympiacos to the New York Knicks. Can you imagine actually asking stars like Anthony and Chandler to play in an environment where flares are being thrown at players, refs are intimidated and fans are kicked out of the arena so they play in front of no one, like a high school game?

It shows the talent level of Spanoulis where he has to play in ghetto arenas in front of 1,200 fans with the atmosphere of a minor league hockey game and dodge flares to Anthony who plays night in and night out to arenas of 15,000+.

[AirTupac]

These people are not starving. Get serious. The only people that could get tickets are ones that have money. They only allowed 2,000 tickets total to clubs with fan bases of well over 3 million each.

Only people that could pay a lot for a ticket got in there.

Except you missed it in the article


More than a few thousand people entered the stadium due to the fact that the police was bribed with a few dollars for entry

[Euroleague]

And "Euroleague" actually compared Olympiacos to the New York Knicks. Can you imagine actually asking stars like Anthony and Chandler to play in an environment where flares are being thrown at players, refs are intimidated and fans are kicked out of the arena so they play in front of no one, like a high school game?

It shows the talent level of Spanoulis where he has to play in ghetto arenas in front of 1,200 fans with the atmosphere of a minor league hockey game and dodge flares to Anthony who plays night in and night out to arenas of 15,000+.

It was 2,000 people, not 1,200. 2,000 because that's all the police will allow. And the arena seats 16,000. Panionios just added 1,000 seats to it. Since when the **** is a 16,000 seat arena, that is rated as the most modern one in Europe a "ghetto arena"? The arena has every amenity of a top NBA arena, as it was built for the 2004 Olympics. It's considered state of the art by NBA standards.

It's funny, because you claim NBA players are all "hardcore" and Euroleague players are all "soft". Now you contradict yourself and say Carmelo Anthony and Tyson Chandler couldn't play in such a hardcore environment, because they are too soft to handle it.

The level of your hypocrisy is truly astonishing.

[Euroleague]

Except you missed it in the article

**** off.

[Blue&Orange]

These people are not starving. Get serious. The only people that could get tickets are ones that have money. They only allowed 2,000 tickets total to clubs with fan bases of well over 3 million each.

Only people that could pay a lot for a ticket got in there.
Shouldn't have been the other way around? Ban those 2000 from attending the game and let everyone else go? I bet next year the same 2000 will be there.

[Euroleague]

Shouldn't have been the other way around? Ban those 2000 from attending the game and let everyone else go? I bet next year the same 2000 will be there.

As Partizan said, the club Hooligan organizers are the ones that have the power in these decisions.

[gabepizza]

It was 2,000 people, not 1,200. 2,000 because that's all the police will allow. And the arena seats 16,000. Panionios just added 1,000 seats to it. Since when the **** is a 16,000 seat arena, that is rated as the most modern one in Europe a "ghetto arena"? The arena has every amenity of a top NBA arena, as it was built for the 2004 Olympics. It's considered state of the art by NBA standards.

It's funny, because you claim NBA players are all "hardcore" and Euroleague players are all "soft". Now you contradict yourself and say Carmelo Anthony couldn't play in such a hardcore environment.

The level of your hypocrisy is truly astonishing.

Fine 2,000. What a superstar playing in front of 2,000. And then they were all kicked out! So playing in front of zero fans! What a superstar!

Hardcore environment!! What kind of star wants to play a game with no fans, flying flares and objects coming from the stands, corrupt or intimated refs? Sounds like players from the third world like Nigeria or something.

You think the best players in the world would want to play in such an environment?? I really feel bad for Hines and all those players who have to play in such low class arenas. Too bad they can't make the NBA with their 20,000+ arenas, first class flights. Imagine being hit by a flare! lol The must realize they are at the bottom of the bottom now!!

[gabepizza]

No wonder Spanoulis was such a scrub in the NBA and in FIBA play. He's use to playing in front of 0 fans. Imagine how he pissed his pants in the NBA where night in and night out he had to play in full modern arenas of 20,000+ fans.

Spanoulis might be good at dodging flares and chairs in the Greek league but that doesn't translate to guarding NBA superstars. lol

[Euroleague]

Fine 2,000. What a superstar playing in front of 2,000. And then they were all kicked out! So playing in front of zero fans! What a superstar!

Hardcore environment!! What kind of star wants to play a game with no fans, flying flares and objects coming from the stands, corrupt or intimated refs? Sounds like players from the third world like Nigeria or something.

You think the best players in the world would want to play in such an environment?? I really feel bad for Hines and all those players who have to play in such low class arenas. Too bad they can't make the NBA with their 20,000+ arenas, first class flights. Imagine being hit by a flare! lol The must realize they are at the bottom of the bottom now!!

Too bad the Knicks don't have a 20,000+ arena. Too bad New York City is so backwards and poor that it can't afford one.

[9512]

Why are these fans so scum-like? It's 2013. These are the same fans who'll shout racial slurs at players and make monkey sounds.

Europeans (especially in France where I grew up and am now living in again) were told in their history classes how powerful and great their countries were at one point.

But now they're washed up has beens (like a beautiful woman who's old, wrinkly, and with saggy boobs) so they find solace and some ounce of superiority by shouting racial slurs at arabs, asians, blacks,...

[gabepizza]

Too bad the Knicks don't have a 20,000+ arena. Too bad New York City is so backwards and poor that it can't afford one.

Yes the Knicks have a 19,000+ arena that sells out every game. They never play in front of 2,000 or 0 fans. Madison Square Garden is only "the world's most famous arena".

[madmax]

Just another day in Greece :lol

:lol :roll:

[Euroleague]

Yes the Knicks have a 19,000+ arena that sells out every game. They never play in front of 2,000 or 0 fans. Madison Square Garden is only "the world's most famous arena".

And yet it is not a 20,000+ arena. Which New York is a "third world poor city". Since you claim anywhere that has less than a 20,000 seat basketball arena is just that.

Your own standards you place on European cities apply to New York also.

[gabepizza]

And yet it is not a 20,000+ arena. Which New York is a "third world poor city". Since you claim anywhere that has less than a 20,000 seat basketball arena is just that.

Your own standards you place on European cities apply to New York also.

19,000 is a lot different than 2,000 or 0.

[Euroleague]

19,000 is a lot different than 2,000 or 0.

Athens has a 20,000 seat basketball arena, unlike New York.

[gabepizza]

Athens has a 20,000 seat basketball arena, unlike New York.

It doesn't matter how many seats there are. It matters how many fans and for the Greek Cup Final there were zero fans.

Imagine forcing the Knicks to play a game in front of zero fans? They would laugh you out of the arena.

But for poor scrubs like Spanoulis that is a regular thing in the Greek League. I hope Spanoulis has fun dodging chairs and flares in the Greek league while Anthony is chatting it up with Spike Lee and Jay-Z in the front row seats of NBA games in front of 19,000 fans.

Spanoulis might play some games in front of 20,000 fans but other games have like 10,000, other games like 2,000 and then some games zero.

What a joke!

[Euroleague]

It doesn't matter how many seats there are. It matters how many fans and for the Greek Cup Final there were zero fans.

Imagine forcing the Knicks to play a game in front of zero fans? They would laugh you out of the arena.

But for poor scrubs like Spanoulis that is a regular thing in the Greek League. I hope Spanoulis has fun dodging chairs and flares in the Greek league while Anthony is chatting it up with Spike Lee and Jay-Z in the front row seats of NBA games in front of 19,000 fans.

Spanoulis might play some games in front of 20,000 fans but other games have like 10,000, other games like 2,000 and then some games zero.

What a joke!

There wasn't 0 fans you ****ing idiot.

[albas89]

Here are some of the Greek Basketball League arenas, where Scruboulis and his teammates play on weekly basis.
http://www.gazzetta.gr/sites/default/files/imagecache/original_max/article/2011_09/Ilisiakos%20gipedo.jpg
http://www.kretaworldbasket.gr/img/uploads/images/22_10_2011_2.jpg
http://www.kaodramas.gr/img/kraxtidis01.jpg
http://www.kolossosbc.gr/Images/Gipedo3.jpg
http://www.stadia.gr/rethymno-b/rethymno-b4.jpg

[devin112]

my HS gym is bigger then that shit

[WesWelkerACL]

Haha pretty embarrassing.

[CeltsGarlic]

19,000 is a lot different than 2,000 or 0.
Funny when those 2000 fans can create atmosphere better than 19000. And Im not talking about this particular game, but lets say Brose, Partizan, Zalgiris fans. Oly and Pao have great supporters too.

[FPJ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcvAOpnnMK0

vs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQywmNxCd8E

Euro fans >

[9512]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcvAOpnnMK0

vs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQywmNxCd8E

Euro fans >

Catchy song from the first 2 minutes of the first video.

[Euroleague]

Both Panathinaikos and Olympiacos got punished by the Greek sports court.

Both teams now have to play four home games in a row with no fans allowed to the games...............

:rolleyes:

[LikeABosh]

NBA Forum

[Euroleague]

The owner of Panathinaikos was reported to the authorities for the threats he made to the refs and their families if they didn't call the game as he wanted it.........

he was ordered to show up in court to be arraigned and he admitted it was true.

He has been banned from the league and the arenas.

Unfortunately, no criminal charges were brought against him.