Steve Nash Is FED UP With Dwight Howard

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/howard-495416-nash-lakers.html

lol trade this fool

[Droid101]

He never moves without the ball. If you're bored, watch a Laker game but don't look at the ball. Look at Dwight and look at Earl Clark. Notice the huge difference in activity and moving without the ball.

No wonder Nash is making Clark look like an all star lately, and Dwight looks useless.

[AirTupac]

You know its bad when Nash is calling you out. :facepalm

[scm5]

This season is lost.

Nash, Kobe, and Pau might have a good run at it next season if we can trade Dwight for some value right now.

[Doranku]

The season is only lost because of stubborn ass Jim Buss. Dwight NEEDS to be shipped now while he still has some value. The dude is poisoning our team with his natural born loser attitude and behavior.

[Money 23]

This season is lost.

Nash, Kobe, and Pau might have a good run at it next season if we can trade Dwight for some value right now.
Absolutely.

They may be old, but each one of those guys is very skilled. Surround them with some youth, energy, and athleticism and you have a competitor.

Think how Ariza, Bynum, Shannon Brown, Sasha Vujacic and Odom helped that squad tremendously in 2009 and 2010.

[Droid101]

The season is only lost because of stubborn ass Jim Buss. Dwight NEEDS to be shipped now while he still has some value. The dude is poisoning our team with his natural born loser attitude and behavior.
Jesus, I wish we would have taken the Orlando part of the four-way deal.

Vucevic and Afflalo? Hell yes! Vucevic had 17 and 19 on 8-12 last night, and never once complained about touches.

[ispin69]

The heat are good with turnovers, they don't make too many and force lots of them. They anticipate those passes very well. Just when they put pressure on the ball handler, Howard was wide open in the paint...but someone was spying on Howard and knew it would come to him...like a safety in football, sees the pass a mile away and sprints forward cutting off the pass.

I understand Nash wanting Howard to make an effort coming towards the ball not just stick his hands up anticipating it coming but really you can't put all the blame on him. It's 50/50 the passer and the recipient.

[HardwoodLegend]

What are "extreme pushups"?

It says Nash was doing those after practice.

[Money 23]

You know it's bad when resident nice guy, and universally liked Canadian PG, who manages to get every offensive talent involved on a team is calling you out for your short comings, bad attitude, and lack of skills.

[AirFederer]

his head is not in it. he has checked out, it`s a shame rally, :banghead:

[therammingman]

that whole article was based on the guys opinion....all conjecture. nothing solid in that article at all.

[taucesays]

Pretty sure I saw Dwight trying to talk to Nash after that play and Nash kept walking.

[joshwake]

did anyone actually read the article?

Its an orange county paper... and basically Nash yelled at howard for not coming to the ball when he got trapped. Yes, Nash obviously hates Howard now. It's sad that Howard is taking every ounce of blame from Laker fans. He has a shit attitude, yes, but there is plenty of suck to go around here, and even your jizz covered Kobe has much to do with why this team sucks.

[ShaqAttack3234]

The Lakers look like they'll be irrelevant with or without Howard, especially as long as D'Antoni is the coach. It's looking like the best move would be to blow this team up and rebuild given how old the players are and how ineffective Howard has been.

[Micku]

http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/320/d/9/shit_just_got_real_by_dbzsgtjustin-d4ge0j2.jpg

[ispin69]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMU-Bo_ilss

This is the play. Howard wanted it up top but Nash was trapped so he decides a bounce pass that gets deflected. That was Nash's turnover not Howard's fault. Sure Howard could have moved back a little to get some space. But also notice Howard was in the paint for a good almost 4 seconds (3secondviolation). Dwight did have a height advantage on Chalmers trying to front him, so going up would have been a good idea.

[Ancient Legend]

On that vid Earl Clark is clearly pissed off at Howard too, like how is he supposed to throw you the ball, Dwight? Over the backboard? Right after that Ron Artest tells Howard he's gotta move and not be stationary.

I love Clark, not afraid to get in Dwight's face. He's got a bright future.

[BMOGEFan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMU-Bo_ilss

This is the play. Howard wanted it up top but Nash was trapped so he decides a bounce pass that gets deflected. That was Nash's turnover not Howard's fault. Sure Howard could have moved back a little to get some space. But also notice Howard was in the paint for a good almost 4 seconds (3secondviolation). Dwight did have a height advantage on Chalmers trying to front him, so going up would have been a good idea.

Do you play basketball?

Nash was trapped by 2 players, from behind the backboard and you want him to throw the ball OVER the two players to dwight?

Nash isn't pau gasol you know. he is usually shorter than everyone else.

[Segatti]

And Howard is fed up with this world

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhQst2mFlJM

[NattyPButter]

That turnover is all Nash's fault. He could had passed it sooner or even called a timeout. Trade Howard and he'll personally rape the Lakers each and every time they play and prove how much they misused him.

[ispin69]

http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/3452/datheatdefense.jpg

Also show me where he was trapped by two guys? Chalmers was fronting Howard AND blocking the baseline?

[n00bie]

Nash probably one of the most tolerent guys in the NBA. :facepalm

[Mr. NBA]

Nobody on the weakside for a corner 3? Howard could have made some space with him being gaurded by someones back. Couple steps to the side he would have had a lane. Howard is lazy. He hasnt improved much at all and has gotten worse. How the hell did SVG build a team around him. Lakers are virtually doing the same thing surround him with shooters but why isnt it working? Howard needs to work harder at getting position. He had Chalmers fronting him he could have easily sealed him and allowed Nash to pass to him under the basket.

[bdreason]

You mean Howard isn't a high IQ player?!?!


Someone call the presses.

[BMOGEFan]

http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/3452/datheatdefense.jpg

Also show me where he was trapped by two guys? Chalmers was fronting Howard AND blocking the baseline?

Howard here has 2 options, back up to the weak side, out of the paint to give nash some space to pass

or

box chalmers out of the way for a power dunk (he'd probably fumble the pass on this one though)

[nathanjizzle]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMU-Bo_ilss

This is the play. Howard wanted it up top but Nash was trapped so he decides a bounce pass that gets deflected. That was Nash's turnover not Howard's fault. Sure Howard could have moved back a little to get some space. But also notice Howard was in the paint for a good almost 4 seconds (3secondviolation). Dwight did have a height advantage on Chalmers trying to front him, so going up would have been a good idea.

how was nash suppose to throw it over chalmers to dwight when nash is behind the backboard? the backboard would be in the way of a pass that high, the only way to get it to dwight was a bounce pass and dwight gave 0 effort to get open for it.

[nathanjizzle]

howard had his hands up signaling over the top. well nash could not pass over the top because the backboard is right there. howard gave zero effort to move left or right for the only viable bounce pass.

http://i48.tinypic.com/34o6dte.jpg

[Knoe Itawl]

This is what happens when you play with a glory hog, it just wears down your spirit. Shaq, Bynum, Dwight and Pau's had his issues (though he's too passive to really let it be known how frustrated I'm sure he's gotten).

Dwight may be a clown and all that, but it's exacerbated having to play with Bryant. Just like it's been for Bryant's other teammates.

[tontoz]

They should just stop passing him the ball until he stops acting like a biatch.

[BMOGEFan]

I don't disagree, but we all know Dwight is a clown, and a passive-aggressive kunt who doesn't take things seriously, regardless of Kobe's alienating approach.

We all know Gasol has played like a woman for the better part of two years because his confidence was broke for some reason.

Bynum was a selfish, immature kid in his own right. Pretty stupid to boot.

And even Shaq, never a model teammate. He wasn't a glory hound, but hated anyone taking away from any of attention. And like Dwight was a clown who was a giant petulant child who didn't take the game seriously, but coasted due to his overwhelming physical talents.

If you listen to shaq speak now on TNT, you can tell that he regrets the kobe/shaq situation.

He won't ever use these exact words, but if you listen to him, he'd usually side with kobe.

[Money 23]

This is what happens when you play with a glory hog, it just wears down your spirit.
I don't disagree, but we all know Dwight is a clown, and a passive-aggressive kunt who doesn't take things seriously, regardless of Kobe's alienating, glory seeking, personal agenda leadership approach.

Dwight is stubborn, and refuses to accept a role that more appropriately fits his abilities within a team with more talented individuals. He should be SUPER Tyson Chandler, but he's giving no effort. Part of it yes is probably due to Kobe, a lot of it however is internal. If he wanted to win at all costs, he'd show enthusiasm and find a way to make it work. Not argue with Steve Nash about how to pass. Something Nash clearly knows more about than Dwight.

We all know Gasol has played like a woman for the better part of two years because his confidence was broke for some reason.

Bynum was a selfish, immature kid in his own right. Pretty stupid to boot.

And even Shaq, never a model teammate. He wasn't a glory hound, but hated anyone taking away from any of his attention. He too had problems everywhere he went. And like Dwight was a clown who was a giant petulant child who didn't take the game seriously, but coasted due to his overwhelming physical talents.

[chazzy]

Kobe Isawl I talk about
:oldlol:

[R.I.P.]

He never moves without the ball. If you're bored, watch a Laker game but don't look at the ball. Look at Dwight and look at Earl Clark. Notice the huge difference in activity and moving without the ball.

Well Dwight barely moving on offense means that they are about even, cause Nash never moves on defense. :roll:

[Heavincent]

This is what happens when you play with a glory hog, it just wears down your spirit. Shaq, Bynum, Dwight and Pau's had his issues (though he's too passive to really let it be known how frustrated I'm sure he's gotten).

Dwight may be a clown and all that, but it's exacerbated having to play with Bryant. Just like it's been for Bryant's other teammates.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Knoe Itawl]

I don't disagree, but we all know Dwight is a clown, and a passive-aggressive kunt who doesn't take things seriously, regardless of Kobe's alienating, glory seeking, personal agenda leadership approach.

Dwight is stubborn, and refuses to accept a role that more appropriately fits his abilities within a team with more talented individuals. He should be SUPER Tyson Chandler, but he's giving no effort. Part of it yes is probably due to Kobe, a lot of it however is internal. If he wanted to win at all costs, he'd show enthusiasm and find a way to make it work. Not argue with Steve Nash about how to pass. Something Nash clearly knows more about than Dwight.

We all know Gasol has played like a woman for the better part of two years because his confidence was broke for some reason.

Bynum was a selfish, immature kid in his own right. Pretty stupid to boot.

And even Shaq, never a model teammate. He wasn't a glory hound, but hated anyone taking away from any of his attention. He too had problems everywhere he went. And like Dwight was a clown who was a giant petulant child who didn't take the game seriously, but coasted due to his overwhelming physical talents.

Look, no one is blameless. Shaq could be a baby, Dwight's a clown, I can't STAND Bynum (prob even moreso than Kobe) and Pau I actually like.

However, when the same thing keeps happening (plus don't forget how hard Phil shyt on him) then unless you're just a hero worshipping sack rider, you have to look at the SOURCE of where a lot of the tension comes from. Look at LeBron and Wade. Neither have had any kind of significant issues with teammates. For all the talk about how demanding Jordan was, you see him and Pip still share a bond to this day and even Horace who had major issues with him sings his praises.

The lynchpin here is always Bryant. Again, no one is saying these dudes are perfect, because they're not. But anyone who's ever played streetball with the "pretty boy who can do no wrong" type knows what it's like. Just because the NBA is the highest level doesn't mean that all of that suddenly goes out the window. And Kobe is the most scoring obsessed star the league has ever known so it's just got to be excrutiating at times. I mean, that's just simple basketball psychology. It's not that tough to grasp, or understand.

Even if Bynum's a malcontent, Shaq's a baby, Howard's a clown and Pau's a puss, Bryant STILL sucks to play with when he goes into his "Chuckbe" routine. And hell, a lot of those negatives in them may be in direcct correlation to Chuckbe mode.

[taucesays]

Look, no one is blameless. Shaq could be a baby, Dwight's a clown, I can't STAND Bynum (prob even moreso than Kobe) and Pau I actually like.

However, when the same thing keeps happening (plus don't forget how hard Phil shyt on him) then unless you're just a hero worshipping sack rider, you have to look at the SOURCE of where a lot of the tension comes from. Look at LeBron and Wade. Neither have had any kind of significant issues with teammates. For all the talk about how demanding Jordan was, you see him and Pip still share a bond to this day and even Horace who had major issues with him sings his praises.

The lynchpin here is always Bryant. Again, no one is saying these dudes are perfect, because they're not. But anyone who's ever played streetball with the "pretty boy who can do no wrong" type knows what it's like. Just because the NBA is the highest level doesn't mean that all of that suddenly goes out the window. And Kobe is the most scoring obsessed star the league has ever known so it's just got to be excrutiating and times. I mean, that's just simple basketball psychology. It's not that tough to grasp, or understand.

Even if Bynum's a malcontent, Shaq's a baby, Howard's a clown and Pau's a puss, Bryant STILL sucks to play with when he goes into his "Chuckbe" routine. And hell, a lot of those negatives in them may be in direcct correlation to Chuckbe mode.


Kobe is a skilled offensive player. That's what he does. Dwight knows at his core that he can best effect the game on the defensive end. He's plain not good with the ball. He'll never be as good of a passer as Pau. He's one of the worst ft shooters in the league. Giving him the ball is just not worth it. His offensive game should be opportunistic. He's not Shaq and needs to come to terms with that.

[Heavincent]

Even if Bynum's a malcontent, Shaq's a baby, Howard's a clown and Pau's a puss, Bryant STILL sucks to play with when he goes into his "Chuckbe" routine. And hell, a lot of those negatives in them may be in direcct correlation to Chuckbe mode.

"Chuckbe mode" has won 5 championships, so he can't be that bad to play with :confusedshrug: If he was constantly losing, you might have a point, but no active player has won more than Kobe.

Just the facts.

[AussieG]

An article and all this over analysis over a single play.. :facepalm

Every player in the league makes **** ups.

[Knoe Itawl]

"Chuckbe mode" has won 5 championships, so he can't be that bad to play with :confusedshrug: If he was constantly losing, you might have a point, but no active player has won more than Kobe.

Just the facts.

Again,youhave his nuts in your mouth so of course you will never see that. I understand that well and that's why I don't even bother with Kobe fanatics and put most on my ignore list.

Whether Kobe has won a lot or not is moot. This isn't about that. It's about teammate after teammate has had an issue with his chucking ways, and it's understandable why to anyone who has played (or understands) ball, and doesn't worship Bryant.

[selrahc]

Again,youhave his nuts in your mouth so of course you will never see that. I understand that well and that's why I don't even bother with Kobe fanatics and put most on my ignore list.

Whether Kobe has won a lot or not is moot. This isn't about that. It's about teammate after teammate has had an issue with his chucking ways, and it's understandable why to anyone who has played (or understands) ball, and doesn't worship Bryant.

kobe has been averaging over 8 assists per game in the last 10 games, and has been taking 30% less fga per game. he has been willing to compromise. how come dwight howard hasn't??

[Duncan21formvp]

What could the Lakers get for Dwight Howard right now? Would you trade Lopez or Noah or Chandler for him now?

[ZenMaster]

Look, no one is blameless. Shaq could be a baby, Dwight's a clown, I can't STAND Bynum (prob even moreso than Kobe) and Pau I actually like.

However, when the same thing keeps happening (plus don't forget how hard Phil shyt on him) then unless you're just a hero worshipping sack rider, you have to look at the SOURCE of where a lot of the tension comes from. Look at LeBron and Wade. Neither have had any kind of significant issues with teammates. For all the talk about how demanding Jordan was, you see him and Pip still share a bond to this day and even Horace who had major issues with him sings his praises.

The lynchpin here is always Bryant. Again, no one is saying these dudes are perfect, because they're not. But anyone who's ever played streetball with the "pretty boy who can do no wrong" type knows what it's like. Just because the NBA is the highest level doesn't mean that all of that suddenly goes out the window. And Kobe is the most scoring obsessed star the league has ever known so it's just got to be excrutiating at times. I mean, that's just simple basketball psychology. It's not that tough to grasp, or understand.

Even if Bynum's a malcontent, Shaq's a baby, Howard's a clown and Pau's a puss, Bryant STILL sucks to play with when he goes into his "Chuckbe" routine. And hell, a lot of those negatives in them may be in direcct correlation to Chuckbe mode.

Good post. Kobe does things on and off the court that doesn't serve the team its best. Like how when he gets a defensive rebound he dribbles it down the side, posts up and shoots about 80% of the time. Teammates don't look to attack because they know what he's going to do and the defense gets set easily because they know what he's going to do. Very predictable and very bad, if every player on the team would do this they'd do nothing but play 1on1.

[Knoe Itawl]

Kobe is a skilled offensive player. That's what he does. Dwight knows at his core that he can best effect the game on the defensive end. He's plain not good with the ball. He'll never be as good of a passer as Pau. He's one of the worst ft shooters in the league. Giving him the ball is just not worth it. His offensive game should be opportunistic. He's not Shaq and needs to come to terms with that.

And yet he was able to play pretty good offensively in Orlando. At any rate, Dwight is limited offensively, you won't hear an argument from me on that. However, as I poined out, teammate after teammate has been frustrated with Bryant about his ballhogging, and Bryant fans will just ignore that and yell "5 rings" like the broken record simpletons they are, but the rest of us understand that while he may be a great player, Bryant sucks to play with a lot of the time, again as anyone who's ever played ball knows when dealing with that type of player.

[Batz]

An article and all this over analysis over a single play.. :facepalm

Every player in the league makes **** ups.
This is not a single play. Nash himself in the Article points out that they have had issues in PnR with Howard throughout the season.

And there have been issues, just with Howard. Clark, Jamison, Hill, Gasol, Bryant have all played fantastic in the PnR with Nash, but Howard just can't seem to, nor does he seem like he wants to.

[taucesays]

And yet he was able to play pretty good offensively in Orlando. At any rate, Dwight is limited offensively, you won't hear an argument from me on that. However, as I poined out, teammate after teammate has been frustrated with Bryant about his ballhogging, and Bryant fans will just ignore that and yell "5 rings" like the broken record simpletons they are, but the rest of us understand that while he may be a great player, Bryant sucks to play with a lot of the time, again as anyone who's ever played ball knows when dealing with that type of player.

Yes. He played well in a system of 3 point shooters that could spread the floor so he wouldn't get raped over and over by double teams. Yes, a team that got hot and made it to the finals from their weak ass conference only to get annihilated by the Lakers. What a team.

Kobe sucks to play with if your primary motivation is scoring instead of winning. I like to win so if Kobe was on my team I would just rebound my ass off.

[ispin69]

And yet he was able to play pretty good offensively in Orlando. At any rate, Dwight is limited offensively, you won't hear an argument from me on that. However, as I poined out, teammate after teammate has been frustrated with Bryant about his ballhogging, and Bryant fans will just ignore that and yell "5 rings" like the broken record simpletons they are, but the rest of us understand that while he may be a great player, Bryant sucks to play with a lot of the time, again as anyone who's ever played ball knows when dealing with that type of player.

I notice that too.

It's Shaq's fault.
It's Kwame Brown/Smush Parker's fault.
It's Pau's fault.
It's Howard's fault.

Notice the trend? Rarely ever Kobe's fault.

[BrickingStar]

"Chuckbe mode" has won 5 championships, so he can't be that bad to play with :confusedshrug: If he was constantly losing, you might have a point, but no active player has won more than Kobe.

Just the facts.
Please stick to pretending you're a nets fan because when you try to bring in any argument or educated post about basketball, it is a complete outright failure like this one. By the way we live in the present.

[BrickingStar]

I notice that too.

It's Shaq's fault.
It's Kwame Brown/Smush Parker's fault.
It's Pau's fault.
It's Howard's fault.

Notice the trend? Rarely ever Kobe's fault.
I don't see how last night it wasn't kobe's fault, did you see how terrible iso kobe ball was at the end of the game/4th quarter? It killed all the chemistry the team had before and was compolete outright garbage of a quarter in comparison to theit other 3. Kobe literally killed 3 possessions stright that led to heat scores. Basically had no chance after that.

[Rysio]

it must suck so bad to play with a 5 time champion. poor howard. :rolleyes:

[taucesays]

I notice that too.

It's Shaq's fault.
It's Kwame Brown/Smush Parker's fault.
It's Pau's fault.
It's Howard's fault.

Notice the trend? Rarely ever Kobe's fault.

No player is perfect. What teams do is take their best player (Kobe) and surround them with complementary pieces. Dwight is supposed to be the "defense and rebounding" piece. He thinks he's KAJ. There's the problem. Kobe is doing exactly what everybody expects of him.

[BMOGEFan]

How did this turn to a Kobe thread when it was nash bitching about dwight's lack of fundamentals.

[Heavincent]

Whether Kobe has won a lot or not is moot.

Of course it is, because it disproves your stupid theory.

Dwight Howard is the guy everyone on the Lakers is upset with, due to his lack of effort and his constant bitching about touches, even though he is a shitty offensive player and really doesn't deserve touches in the post. The only guy on the Lakers who has a problem with Kobe is Howard, but who cares what he thinks? Why should Kobe ever defer to Howard? I guarantee you everyone on the Lakers would much rather have Kobe chucking up a bunch of shots than giving it to Howard in the post. At least Kobe is actually a good offensive player and his style of play has proven to be a huge success.

[Heavincent]

Please stick to pretending you're a nets fan because when you try to bring in any argument or educated post about basketball, it is a complete outright failure like this one. By the way we live in the present.

Look at this retarded Heat bandwagoner :oldlol:

All I see you post is "Yeah, LeGawd bro!" and shit like that. Yup...such a beacon of basketball knowledge you are.

[AlphaWolf24]

Again,youhave his nuts in your mouth so of course you will never see that. I understand that well and that's why I don't even bother with Kobe fanatics and put most on my ignore list.

Whether Kobe has won a lot or not is moot. This isn't about that. It's about teammate after teammate has had an issue with his chucking ways, and it's understandable why to anyone who has played (or understands) ball, and doesn't worship Bryant.

wow...you caught some feelings...


- If it always comes back to Kobe when the Lakers team fails to win a championship...please tell me it all comes back to him when they win?....

were you spewing your filth praising Kobe when the lakers were Great?...


oh that's right...he's just a "ballhogg"....if he didn't shoot the Lakers would win titles every year....just like __________. ( Oh that's right no superstar won as much as Kobe in his generation)


- why do you get so rustled if some one brings up winning?....isn't that the point?




tired and silly.

[Jacks3]

Shaq had the best seasons of his career with Kobe and won 3 Championships and made 4 Finals.

Pau had the best seasons of his career and won 2 Championships/3 Finals with Kobe.

Bynum last year put up 19/13 with Bryant and won 2 rings with him.

Yeah, I'm sure they all hated playing with him. Morons. :oldlol:

[Knoe Itawl]

Of course it is, because it disproves your stupid theory.

Dwight Howard is the guy everyone on the Lakers is upset with, due to his lack of effort and his constant bitching about touches, even though he is a shitty offensive player and really doesn't deserve touches in the post. The only guy on the Lakers who has a problem with Kobe is Howard, but who cares what he thinks? Why should Kobe ever defer to Howard? I guarantee you everyone on the Lakers would much rather have Kobe chucking up a bunch of shots than giving it to Howard in the post. At least Kobe is actually a good offensive player and his style of play has proven to be a huge success.

If it was just Dwight, then you might have a point. However, as we know, it's been Shaq, Bynum, Pau, Dwight and others that have had issues with Bryant's ballhogging ways. Not to mentione Phil Jax, who has NEVER called out Pip, Jordan, Shaq etc. like that laid into Bryant about it. But of course, Litte Lord Kobelory deserves not criticism, as usuall from his braindead fans. "5 rings, 5 rings" "Umad? U mad?"

I'll ask you, have you ever played basketball with a primadona ballhog? Type that feels that they can do whatever they want? Sure, they may be talented, and they may win a bunch of games on the playground when they get hot. But ultimately you tire of being yelled at for the slightest mistake when "pretty boy" can do whatever he wants and not expect any type of criticism. You get tired of not gettint the ball when your'e wide open.

Anyone who is not a sack rider (which means not you) understands this.

[9512]

^^^

Except Kobe gets it away with because he is only the best player (or was at some point) in the league and whatever he says he wants, he gets.

I hate guys like that.

And I posted this about those types of ball hogs in the Brandon Jennings shows his IQ thread. I can't stand playing with guys like that.

[ShaqAttack3234]

And even Shaq, never a model teammate. He wasn't a glory hound, but hated anyone taking away from any of his attention. He too had problems everywhere he went. And like Dwight was a clown who was a giant petulant child who didn't take the game seriously, but coasted due to his overwhelming physical talents.

A big difference between Shaq and Dwight(aside from skills, IQ and overall ability) is that Shaq had a mean streak to him, and despite the goofy attitude and jokes, Shaq wasn't out there smiling on the court, and often looked and played pissed off.

I also never questioned that Shaq's goal was to win. He clearly wanted the glory that went with it, but he's not a guy who played for individual numbers. He wanted touches, but he delivered when he got them, and since he was the best offensive player in the league for a number of years, that was hardly an unreasonable request.

Say what you will about him, but he did also recognize when he was declining. He willingly took a backseat to Wade because he recognized Wade had become the more capable player, and it resulted in another title. Yet Shaq at that time was still a better offensive player than Howard has been this season. Hell, Phoenix Shaq was easily better than current Dwight offensively.

With all of Shaq's problems(and as a huge Shaq fan I REALLY wish he handled many parts of his career differently) I think Kobe had a lot more respect for Shaq than Dwight despite Kobe's problems with Shaq.

When the Lakers kept falling short in the playoffs in the late 90's everyone said Shaq was flat out angry and unpleasant to be around. Considering how much worse the Lakers current situation is and how far below Shaq's standard Dwight is at, he should be more like that. Look at the '98 WCF. Shaq dominated every game except the first, yet his stacked team played like scrubs. Even in game 4, after a series of his teammates failing to shoot 40%, Shaq still kept playing scoring like 19 points in the 4th to keep them in the game despite no real shot at winning the series, and some of his teammates having already given up such as Van Exel saying "1-2-3 Cancun!" in the huddle during that 4th quarter after a series that he shot 24% in.

I think Dwight did really want to win and never questioned his effort, or attitude until last season. I think his team regressing so much and the East getting better while Howard had easily his best season in 2011, and was for the most part living up to his potential discouraged him.

His behavior since then has been really disgusting. He was a free agent at the end of the 2012 season had he not opted in to his contract(which made no sense considering he didn't want to be there) He should have just played out that final year and went somewhere else. But what he did to SVG was also inexcusable. Van Gundy always had Howard's back, was a fine coach, and you just don't do that. It's funny because Van Gundy is EASILY the best coach Dwight has played for in his 9 seasons and it's not remotely close. He put a successful system around Dwight and put Dwight in a position to succeed. I have no idea why he was unhappy with that.

I'd much rather have an egomaniac with a subpar work ethic like Shaq who will at least produce and is really bothered by winning than Dwight.

I will say that with Dwight clearly bothered by his back and shoulder, he'd be a complete idiot to play in the all-star game rather than rest.

[Myth]

Who is the West All Star team coach? I want to see Dwight played the entire game just to wear him out even more. The other option, is to get into his head and bench him for the rest of the game after the first minute. Then again, if you play him 25-30 minutes, he probably will still suck the rest of the season :D

[Doranku]

ITT we blame Kobe for Kobe's teammates being frustrated with another of Kobe's teammates. :roll: :roll: :roll:


This forum never fail to deliver. It's like Kobe ****ed half of these dude's moms and sisters.

[Godzuki]

that wasn't Dwights fault, that was Nash's. he picked up his dribble on the baseline and had nowhere to go with it, then got mad that Dwight didn't show for him but Dwight was still fighting for position in the paint. i don't blame Dwight at all for that and couldn't believe Nash was blaming him when he clearly trapped himself into a bad spot. sooner or later Dwight is going to snap if more people start throwing stuff on him, on top of the media and kobe.

[stephanieg]

He played well in a system of 3 point shooters that could spread the floor so he wouldn't get raped over and over by double teams. Yes, a team that got hot and made it to the finals from their weak ass conference only to get annihilated by the Lakers. What a team.

Orlando didn't get annihilated, it was pretty close and they could've won. But if that version of Dwight was on LA they'd probably be the 1 seed.

[taucesays]

Orlando didn't get annihilated, it was pretty close and they could've won. But if that version of Dwight was on LA they'd probably be the 1 seed.

4-1 isn't pretty close and they could have won if they stayed disgustingly hot from 3. The same could be said for any team.

[Jacks3]

So Kobe the last ten games is taking 17 FGA per game with 9 APG.

Guess what? Dwight is still only getting 9-10 shots.

Dude is garbage offensively.

[The-Legend-24]

Nobody on this team likes this dude. :oldlol:

[poido123]

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/howard-495416-nash-lakers.html

lol trade this fool

Howard is coming off back surgery and a recurring shoulder problem, are teams prepared to trade for an injured player and headcase? His trade value must be at an all time low.

[Floppy]

that whole article was based on the guys opinion....all conjecture. nothing solid in that article at all.
And I thought I missed something.

[longtime lurker]

This is what happens when you play with a glory hog, it just wears down your spirit. Shaq, Bynum, Dwight and Pau's had his issues (though he's too passive to really let it be known how frustrated I'm sure he's gotten).

Dwight may be a clown and all that, but it's exacerbated having to play with Bryant. Just like it's been for Bryant's other teammates.

Wait how the hell do you spin an argument between Dwight and Nash to somehow blame Kobe :roll: :roll: WTF is this real life?

[dynasty1978]

A big difference between Shaq and Dwight(aside from skills, IQ and overall ability) is that Shaq had a mean streak to him, and despite the goofy attitude and jokes, Shaq wasn't out there smiling on the court, and often looked and played pissed off.

I also never questioned that Shaq's goal was to win. He clearly wanted the glory that went with it, but he's not a guy who played for individual numbers. He wanted touches, but he delivered when he got them, and since he was the best offensive player in the league for a number of years, that was hardly an unreasonable request.

Say what you will about him, but he did also recognize when he was declining. He willingly took a backseat to Wade because he recognized Wade had become the more capable player, and it resulted in another title. Yet Shaq at that time was still a better offensive player than Howard has been this season. Hell, Phoenix Shaq was easily better than current Dwight offensively.

With all of Shaq's problems(and as a huge Shaq fan I REALLY wish he handled many parts of his career differently) I think Kobe had a lot more respect for Shaq than Dwight despite Kobe's problems with Shaq.

When the Lakers kept falling short in the playoffs in the late 90's everyone said Shaq was flat out angry and unpleasant to be around. Considering how much worse the Lakers current situation is and how far below Shaq's standard Dwight is at, he should be more like that. Look at the '98 WCF. Shaq dominated every game except the first, yet his stacked team played like scrubs. Even in game 4, after a series of his teammates failing to shoot 40%, Shaq still kept playing scoring like 19 points in the 4th to keep them in the game despite no real shot at winning the series, and some of his teammates having already given up such as Van Exel saying "1-2-3 Cancun!" in the huddle during that 4th quarter after a series that he shot 24% in.

I think Dwight did really want to win and never questioned his effort, or attitude until last season. I think his team regressing so much and the East getting better while Howard had easily his best season in 2011, and was for the most part living up to his potential discouraged him.

His behavior since then has been really disgusting. He was a free agent at the end of the 2012 season had he not opted in to his contract(which made no sense considering he didn't want to be there) He should have just played out that final year and went somewhere else. But what he did to SVG was also inexcusable. Van Gundy always had Howard's back, was a fine coach, and you just don't do that. It's funny because Van Gundy is EASILY the best coach Dwight has played for in his 9 seasons and it's not remotely close. He put a successful system around Dwight and put Dwight in a position to succeed. I have no idea why he was unhappy with that.

I'd much rather have an egomaniac with a subpar work ethic like Shaq who will at least produce and is really bothered by winning than Dwight.

I will say that with Dwight clearly bothered by his back and shoulder, he'd be a complete idiot to play in the all-star game rather than rest.

Well said SA34. Between the stans and the trolls (Knoe :facepalm ), you manage to be a voice of reason.

[OhNoTimNoSho]

Again,youhave his nuts in your mouth so of course you will never see that. I understand that well and that's why I don't even bother with Kobe fanatics and put most on my ignore list.

Whether Kobe has won a lot or not is moot. This isn't about that. It's about teammate after teammate has had an issue with his chucking ways, and it's understandable why to anyone who has played (or understands) ball, and doesn't worship Bryant.
Guys, hold up. This isnt about winning. We've had it all wrong.

[OhNoTimNoSho]

If it was just Dwight, then you might have a point. However, as we know, it's been Shaq, Bynum, Pau, Dwight and others that have had issues with Bryant's ballhogging ways. Not to mentione Phil Jax, who has NEVER called out Pip, Jordan, Shaq etc. like that laid into Bryant about it. But of course, Litte Lord Kobelory deserves not criticism, as usuall from his braindead fans. "5 rings, 5 rings" "Umad? U mad?"

I'll ask you, have you ever played basketball with a primadona ballhog? Type that feels that they can do whatever they want? Sure, they may be talented, and they may win a bunch of games on the playground when they get hot. But ultimately you tire of being yelled at for the slightest mistake when "pretty boy" can do whatever he wants and not expect any type of criticism. You get tired of not gettint the ball when your'e wide open.

Anyone who is not a sack rider (which means not you) understands this.
Hmmm yes, the Kobe and selfish streetball guy analogy is right on point! You sir make quite an argument

[KingMichael23]

So Kobe isn't the problem here. Nash didn't call out Kobe. He has problems with Dwight. So does his teammates.

[Pinkhearts]

Where can Dwight go to where he'll be happy?

He'll probably be worse at Brooklyn, less talent there

Hawks has no shooters too

He'll be horribly exposed wherever he goes. Should have stayed at Orlando and begged SVG for forgiveness. The fool thinks he's better than he is, got his best coach sacked, and now he's nothing.

If I were him I'd try to accept being in a Tyson Chandler role and play like a DPOY. Over time, they can work out some basic offensive schemes that work for his limited ability.

[Ol Dirty Bastard]

http://sigroup.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/steve-nash-dwight-howard-si-cover.jpg

Who could've predicted this last summer?


LA radio (John Ireland & Co.) were debating for hours about matchups for lakers if they could get the #7 or 8 seed, stating that Lakers could beat the Spurs in round 1, clippers in round 2 and then get to the WCF where anything can happen.:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

**** I hate the bias LA media but I love them freaking out right now.

[LakersForlife]

if you dont like to play pnr with nash just gtfo

[STATUTORY]

Guy is a clown and a narcissit. He has no place on championship team

[Take Your Lumps]

that wasn't Dwights fault, that was Nash's. he picked up his dribble on the baseline and had nowhere to go with it, then got mad that Dwight didn't show for him but Dwight was still fighting for position in the paint. i don't blame Dwight at all for that and couldn't believe Nash was blaming him when he clearly trapped himself into a bad spot. sooner or later Dwight is going to snap if more people start throwing stuff on him, on top of the media and kobe.

Cmon now. The ball hit him in his ****ing hands.

The fact that Dwight appeared to want Nash to lob it in that situation shows how low of a basketball IQ he really has.

[BGriffin's Dad]

i know dwight's a turd on offense lately but... why dont they run pick-n-rolls with him?

[JellyBean]

Wow. Great article. Glad that it just isn't Kobe that is sick of Dwight's inactions on the court.

[SpecialQue]

ITT we blame Kobe for Kobe's teammates being frustrated with another of Kobe's teammates. :roll: :roll: :roll:


This forum never fail to deliver. It's like Kobe ****ed half of these dude's moms and sisters.

On ISH, Kobe's teammates are solely responsible for the three trips to the finals and two championships starting in 2008, while Kobe's solely responsible for their current failures.

[Lebron23]

Guy is a clown and a narcissit. He has no place on championship team

Interesting lmao

[kawhileonard2]

This is the same guy who beat peak Lebron James without HCA as the lead guy. :oldlol:

[scuzzy]

Crazy, Kobe couldn't even win a single playoff game with Prime Dwight



Meanwhile Old Gray Goat 10-2 with washed Dwight



Damn

[Whoah10115]

What kind of bump is this?