The Clippers are going to the 2013 NBA Finals

[tmacattack33]

So enough threads about Lebron vs MJ, and Dwightmare. I can't believe there aren't a bunch of Clipper/Billups threads after the past week.

The Clippers put together a great week of bball this week after the return of Chris Paul and Billups.

It's only been a week, but Billups has shown he will be able to do a lot more than most people expected. I for one thought his career was over after last year's injury. It clearly isn't.




The deepest team in the league just got even deeper. It will be great watching them get to the Finals while all the Durant slurpers sit there shocked. :rockon:

[ZeN]

Clippers vs Miami is gonna happen.

I hope the clips upset the Heat :D

[Hank]

Wade > Paul

Bosh > Griffin

Lebron > The rest of the Clippers combined

[RRR3]

Wade > Paul

Bosh > Griffin

Lebron > The rest of the Clippers combined
Current Dwyane Wade is not better than current Chris Paul.

Bosh vs. Griffin is very debatable.

[Rondo]

Wade > Paul

Bosh > Griffin

Lebron > The rest of the Clippers combined

:facepalm

[brandonislegend]

Clippers won't make the finals

[The Choken One]

Current Dwyane Wade is not better than current Chris Paul.

Bosh vs. Griffin is very debatable.

LeBron is great, but he's not god, so no he's not better than 10+ other players combined.
Go watch the Rams, let the big boys deal with teams that are contending.

[Clippersfan86]

So enough threads about Lebron vs MJ, and Dwightmare. I can't believe there aren't a bunch of Clipper/Billups threads after the past week.

The Clippers put together a great week of bball this week after the return of Chris Paul and Billups.

It's only been a week, but Billups has shown he will be able to do a lot more than most people expected. I for one thought his career was over after last year's injury. It clearly isn't.




The deepest team in the league just got even deeper. It will be great watching them get to the Finals while all the Durant slurpers sit there shocked. :rockon:

6-1 with Billups in the lineup this year. I knew all season long that he would have an impact. He's not always going to score 20 back to back on great efficiency but it's more addition by subtraction than anything. More Billups= no Willie Green. Green is okay as a 5 minute a game 3rd SG who can hit the 3 but he hurt us badly as a starter.

With the starting 5 of Paul, Billups, Butler, Griffin, DJ the Clippers team has won 80+ percent of their games the last two years and that lineup is the most explosive in the NBA IMO. Last year remember that sequence where they hit 4 threes in just a minute?

I'm very much looking forward to the playoffs so haters can be exposed as fools. My only concern is if we can remain intact and healthy. CP3, Billups, Griffin, DJ and Crawford need to be healthy the rest of the way for them to be playing in June.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Go watch the Rams, let the big boys deal with teams that are contending.
:oldlol:



Side note: clippers aren't making the finals

[Clippersfan86]

Wade > Paul

Bosh > Griffin

Lebron > The rest of the Clippers combined

I'd say it's more like....

Lebron>>>>>>>>everybody on the Clippers individually.
Cp3>Wade
Griffin>Bosh

Heat have two of the top three players in H2H the Clippers have more depth.

[RRR3]

Go watch the Rams, let the big boys deal with teams that are contending.
I don't even like football.


At least we have a football team in STL though :yaohappy:

[Hank]

Current Dwyane Wade is not better than current Chris Paul.

Bosh vs. Griffin is very debatable

LeBron is great, but he's not god, so no he's not better than 10+ other players combined..

Wade is the best Finals performer in NBA history.

NBA Finals Dwyane Wade >> any version of Paul past, present of future.

Bosh can shoot, Griffin can't... and if you expect to beat the heat you better be loaded with great shooters. Miami's has the best pick and roll defense in the league and would tear apart the Clips at their game.

There isn't a GM alive who would take the remaining Clipper players over Lebron on their team right now, if they had the choice.

* you can talk depth all you want, unless your new to watching playoff basketball. Benches greatly shorten in the playoffs. Benches don't matter much. Tons of rest between games when the postseason rolls around. Stars see more minutes.

[Clippersfan86]

Wade is the best Finals performer in NBA history.

NBA Finals Dwyane Wade >> any version of Paul past, present of future.

Bosh can shoot, Griffin can't... and if you expect to beat the heat you better be loaded with great shooters. Miami's has the best pick and roll defense in the league and would tear apart the Clips at their game.

There isn't a GM alive who would take the remaining Clipper players over Lebron on their team right now, if they had the choice.


Hank what's up with the multiple personalities think? Sometimes you're reasonable, other times you flip out on hardcore troll mode when anybody mentions the Heat and you're being very illogical here. Yes I agree 7 years ago in the finals Wade>>>>>any version of CP3. Doesn't mean RIGHT NOW CP3 isn't a better player because he definitely is.

The Clippers are loaded with great shooters when healthy which is why they have been demolishing teams with the 3 the last few games. Griffin definitely doesn't shoot as well as Bosh but if you've watched him this year you'd know his shot is at least decent. Not to mention Bosh can't dominant games in the post like Griffin, rebound like Griffin or create for teammates like Griffin.

[LikeABosh]

I'd say it's more like....

Lebron>>>>>>>>everybody on the Clippers individually.
Cp3>Wade
Griffin>Bosh

Heat have two of the top three players in H2H the Clippers have more depth.
You think Blake Griffin and a bench can beat the Heat? LOL

[Clippersfan86]

You think Blake Griffin and a bench can beat the Heat? LOL

I think the Clippers as a team can beat Miami and have proven that the last 3 years. I understand most fans have a short, biased memory but early in the season the Clippers had zero trouble beating the Heat in LA. A lot of it is going to come down to HCA because both teams are nearly unbeatable at home the last couple years.

As of right now both teams have the same record or Miami is a half game better. If they met in the finals I think the team with home court wins. I think the Clippers size and depth are massive issues for Miami. Miami's going to give anybody problems with Lebron but Wade and Bosh haven't done too much against us in recent years and our bench outplays yours in a series.

[Hank]

lol


Just a week ago CF86 was ready to blow the Clippers up :lol

[Clippersfan86]

lol


Just a week ago CF86 was ready to blow the Clippers up :lol

What? I was pissed rightfully so for them not even competing vs the Heat. I'm STILL open to some tweaks on the roster. Not sure why that's me wanting to "blow them up". I'm not sure why you're just fine giving other teams props but the minute it's vs the Heat... you want to pile dirt on them and pick them apart man.

[Hank]

With that said, the Heat team defense is far FAR too strong and seasoned for the playoffs. Clippers are nowhere close to that level of defense on a consistent basis like Miami is poised for.

We can argue about <> player all we want, and we won't change our opinions on that. But the difference will be Miami's defense >>> Clippers defense

Miami can just switch up 2 gears defensively when they want to, and have a gear that the Clips don't have on that side of the ball. That will inevitably be the difference if the Clips were to somehow come out of the West. The Heat are a defensive first team and have had training camps just focusing on D. The Clips can't get to Miami's level on defense with just a little focus on it early this season, when Miami has had years of it ingrained in them (and the fact Miami has superior defensive players)

[Clippersfan86]

With that said, the Heat team defense is far FAR too strong and seasoned for the playoffs. Clippers are nowhere close to that level of defense on a consistent basis like Miami is poised for.

We can argue about <> player all we want, and we won't change our opinions on that. But the difference will be Miami's defense >>> Clippers defense

Miami can just switch up 2 gears defensively when they want to, and a gear that the Clips don't have on that side of the ball. That will inevitably be the difference if the Clips were to somehow come out of the West.

Buddy... the Clippers have been a top 5 defense ALL YEAR LONG and were top 3 when they were at the top of the NBA for a month. They are 1st in the NBA in forced turnovers, 1st in steals, are 7th in blocks, are 4th in points allowed, 5th in total shooting percentage of opponents.

The Heat on the other hand are 7th in turnovers forced, 9th in steals, 16th in blocks, 12th in points allowed, 8th in total shooting percentage of opponents. The ONLY category defensively the Heat are better at is defending the 3.

In other words the Clippers are easily better than the Heat defensively this year. Maybe in the playoffs the Heat can take it to a whole different level but it's beyond ignorant to act like the Heat are automatically a better defensive team this year. They were an elite defense last year I believe but their D has slipped.

Clippers don't have an extra defensive gear? They have held multiple teams scoreless for 6-7 minute stretches this year. You can't constantly have huge comebacks in games like they do and not have an extra gear defensively.

Clippers have the 4th ranked overall defense right now, Miami has the 12th. It's literally not close.

[TheMarkMadsen]

i think the Clippers would fair well against the HEAT & it's obvious that at least some HEAT "fans" are threatened

Clippers are deep enough & big enough to do some serious damage.

They can also shoot lights out & play pretty damn good D.

Not to mention they have 3 of the most clutch players in the game (Crawford, Cp3 & Billups)

Oh and i forgot they have the best PG runnin the show

[Clippersfan86]

Heat have held just 4 teams under 80.

Clippers have held 9 opponents under 80.

[Hank]

Meh. "Regular season".. means little if anything. The Bulls were tops defensively during the regular season and looked like a sieve come playoffs. The Heat have already proven, in "playoff basketball" atmosphere which is a totally different game, they can shut you down when they put their foot down.

Moreover, Miami's defense matches up better against the Clips for what Miami really does well. Pick and roll defense is tops, and perimeter D. Two big strikes against the Clips offense. Miami's D is just too quick with Miami's quick feet and fast hands. We all know Miami coasts during the regular season, it's kind of stupid to go all out on defense for 6 months before the playoffs. But you will see it in the playoffs once again.

You are starting to sound like the people saying Miami is the worst rebounding team in the league when nothing could be further from the truth.

[ProfessorMurder]

Wade > Paul


Cliff Paul is better than Wade.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Meh. "Regular season".. means little if anything. The Bulls were tops defensively during the regular season and looked like a sieve come playoffs. The Heat have already proven, in "playoff basketball" atmosphere which is a totally different game, they can shut you down when they put their foot down.

Moreover, Miami's defense matches up better against the Clips for what Miami really does well. Pick and roll defense is tops, and perimeter D. Two big strikes against the Clips offense. Miami's D is just too quick. We all know Miami coasts during the regular season, it's kind of stupid to go all out on defense for 6 months before the playoffs. But you will see it in the playoffs once again.

You are starting to sound like the people saying Miami is the worst rebounding team in the league when nothing could be further from the truth.


So Lebron's recent stretch means little if anything?

Or does the "regular season mean little if anything" only IF it fits your agenda?

[Clippersfan86]

Meh. "Regular season".. means little if anything. The Bulls were tops defensively during the regular season and looked like a sieve come playoffs. The Heat have already proven, in "playoff basketball" atmosphere which is a totally different game, they can shut you down when they put their foot down.

Moreover, Miami's defense matches up better against the Clips for what Miami really does well. Pick and roll defense is tops, and perimeter D. Two big strikes against the Clips offense.

You are starting to sound like the people saying Miami is the worst rebounding team in the league when nothing could be further from the truth.

Again I never said Miami wouldn't be favored or wouldn't win. Just don't make up things to criticize the Clippers and act like they have no shot. You said Miami was >>>>> defensively yet all year long the Clippers have EASILY been a better defense. When I point that out you mention how the regular season doesn't matter. The teams have never met in the playoffs so we don't have much to go on if you disregard the regular season.

If you include the preseason in China where we smoked you twice.. it's pretty obvious the last 3 years that our bigs give your team major problems. You don't have anybody who can guard Griffin and DJ. Nor can Chalmers guard CP3 in a series. Wade and Bosh on the other hand haven't done much against our team. So it's essentially Lebron, CP3, Griffin and DJ who aren't guardable in a series. Billups/Bledsoe have had no problem holding Wade in check for the most part. Griffin/DJ have neutralized Bosh for the most part.

[Hank]

So Lebron's recent stretch means little if anything?

Or does the "regular season mean little if anything" only IF it fits your agenda?

Individual stats and "team stats" are two totally different things. Especially when correlating them into what we'll see in the playoffs on a team like this.

[Clippersfan86]

Individual stats and "team stats" are two totally different things.

Because it fits the agenda of cherry picking you're doing.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Because it fits the agenda of cherry picking you're doing.


exactly :roll: :roll:

[Hank]

Because it fits the agenda of cherry picking you're doing.

Are you saying Miami is not a top defensive team and that we won't see that stifling defense in the playoffs that we've been accustomed to seeing ?? Did you not witness Miami shutting teams down in 4th quarters recently, playing at a much higher level with defensive rotations later in 4th qtrs -- something we didnt see earlier in the season ?

[fsvr54]

No, the Spurs will.

[RRR3]

Intredasting revelation I just had: Hank probably has a large part in why I hate Norris Cole so much.

[Hank]

I think the Clippers as a team can beat Miami and have proven that the last 3 years. I understand most fans have a short, biased memory but early in the season the Clippers had zero trouble beating the Heat in LA. A lot of it is going to come down to HCA because both teams are nearly unbeatable at home the last couple years.

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Oh, so you're going by a couple games in LA during the "regular season" ??

What does that have to do with anything ? When is the last time Miami won in Chicago during the regular season ?? What did that have to do with Miami wiping the floor with the Bulls in 5 games when it really counted ?

And Miami hasn't played well in Boston during the regular season either. What did that have to do with Miami beating Boston in the postseason the last 2 years ?

Let me guess, you think Utah can beat Miami in a 7-game playoff series because Utah beat Miami in Utah the last 2 trips out there during the "regular season"

LOL @ people placing so much stock in regular season results when it comes to postseason matters:oldlol:

[SilkkTheShocker]

The worst franchise in sports history isn't beating Miami in the Finals

[Clippersfan86]

I'll put up the individual numbers from the last 3 years of the Heat vs the Clippers



Bosh vs the Clippers:

2012-2013: 11 ppg, 9 rpg. The only team he's played worse against is the Lakers.

2011-2012: 16 ppg, 11 rpg BUT played 43 minutes and shot 37 percent.

2010-2011: 21 ppg, 10 rpg BUT again there is an asterisk. He shot a whopping 12.5 free throw attempts per game in all 3 games, hitting 9.5 of them. The ONLY team he shot over 10 fta per game against. He also only shot 42 percent.



Wade vs the Clippers:

2012-2013: 13 ppg on 38 percent shooting. 4.5 rpg, 6.5 apg. Only team he's played worse against is the Kings but that was one game, this is 3 games.

2011-2012: 17 ppg, 7 rpg, 2.5 apg on just 35 percent shooting from the field.

2010-2011: 29 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 6.5 apg. He dominated this year but as you see the last two have been ATROCIOUS.


Lebron vs the Clippers:


2012-2013: No need to put this year's stats, he's dominated us just like everybody else and put up 30 ppg.

2011-2012: 23 ppg, 13 rpg but on just 37 percent percent shooting.

2010-2011: 19.5 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 5 apg on just 37 percent shooting.



So you see what I'm talking about Hank? Clippers do as well as anybody shutting down the "Big 3". Lebron this year is having his way with anybody but we have 3 legit SF defenders to at least show him different looks in a series.

[Clippersfan86]

Are you saying Miami is not a top defensive team and that we won't see that stifling defense in the playoffs that we've been accustomed to seeing ?? Did you not witness Miami shutting teams down in 4th quarters recently, playing at a much higher level with defensive rotations later in 4th qtrs -- something we didnt see earlier in the season ?

Miami is a great defensive team but has failed to break into the top 10 defensive efficiency all year long. I don't give a crap if they have a magical switch for the playoffs. RIGHT NOW the Clippers are easily the better defense. I'm not going to guarantee anything for the playoffs until we see them play.

[SilkkTheShocker]

i think the Clippers would fair well against the HEAT & it's obvious that at least some HEAT "fans" are threatened

Clippers are deep enough & big enough to do some serious damage.

They can also shoot lights out & play pretty damn good D.

Not to mention they have 3 of the most clutch players in the game (Crawford, Cp3 & Billups)

Oh and i forgot they have the best PG runnin the show


:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[dbk123]

Clippers most likely wont get past the thunder. Hopefully they do because it would make the finals interesting

[SilkkTheShocker]

Miami is a great defensive team but has failed to break into the top 10 defensive efficiency all year long. I don't give a crap if they have a magical switch for the playoffs. RIGHT NOW the Clippers are easily the better defense. I'm not going to guarantee anything for the playoffs until we see them play.

I would be shocked if a Clippers/Heat series went longer than 5 games. Hate to break it to you, but your team isn't that good. Depth don't mean s.hit in the playoffs

[steve franchise]

Clippers have no chance against the Spurs. They can beat the Thunder though.

[Clippersfan86]

I would be shocked if a Clippers/Heat series went longer than 5 games. Hate to break it to you, but your team isn't that good. Depth don't mean s.hit in the playoffs

Miami's depth is a HUGE reason they got by the Thunder in the finals but you conveniently forgot Mike Miller and Battier with BARRAGES of 3's and key defensive plays. Take away your bench stepping up massively in the finals and OKC probably wins.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Miami's depth is a HUGE reason they got by the Thunder in the finals but you conveniently forgot Mike Miller and Battier with BARRAGES of 3's and key defensive plays. Take away your bench stepping up massively in the finals and OKC probably wins.


why would bother responding to her? She's obviously just a troll trying to bait you.

her first post didn't grab any attention, so she had to post again, and AGAIN in this thread just so somebody would talk to her.

**Silk replys by telling me i'm mad**

[SilkkTheShocker]

Miami's depth is a HUGE reason they got by the Thunder in the finals but you conveniently forgot Mike Miller and Battier with BARRAGES of 3's and key defensive plays. Take away your bench stepping up massively in the finals and OKC probably wins.

In a 7 game series, who wins between Miami and the Clippers. In your opinion of course.

[Clippersfan86]

In a 7 game series, who wins between Miami and the Clippers. In your opinion of course.

I think Miami wins in 6 or 7 most likely but I think it would be a very competitive series. I think IF the Clippers have HCA and have a little bit of luck with stopping Lebron they could be the ones winning in 7.

[Heavincent]

I'm pretty sure Hank has down syndrome.

[SilkkTheShocker]

I think Miami wins in 6 or 7 most likely but I think it would be a very competitive series. I think IF the Clippers have HCA and have a little bit of luck with stopping Lebron they could be the ones winning in 7.

Thank you for answering my question.

[Clippersfan86]

Thank you for answering my question.

That's much different than "Clippers are shit. They have zero chance" right? Not sure why it's insulting to Miami to at least admit it would be competitive. Even last year in the finals run we saw BOTH the Pacers and the Celtics push Miami to 7 games. It just so happens Miami owns OKC's soul but that doesn't mean they will destroy anybody in the west. Spurs, Clippers and Grizzlies would all put up a better fight against the Heat than OKC (although with the Gay trade, not sure about Grizzlies now).

[Hank]

I think Miami wins in 6 or 7 most likely but I think it would be a very competitive series. I think IF the Clippers have HCA and have a little bit of luck with stopping Lebron they could be the ones winning in 7.

Nobody's stopping a confident Lebron. Certainly nobody on the Clippers. He got his first title off his back and he's on a mission now.

[Clippersfan86]

Nobody's stopping a confident Lebron. Certainly nobody on the Clippers. He got his first title off his back and he's on a mission now.

Maybe Lebron stops himself and just has a bad game :confusedshrug: ? Like I showed you before Lebron averaged 21.5 ppg on 37 percent shooting the two seasons before this against the Clippers. Grant Hill, Matt Barnes and Caron Butler are as formidable as it gets as a trio of defensive SF's to throw at Lebron. No other team has that many different looks to give him. Not that it's guaranteed to work but there is a good chance that combined they can force him into 2 bad games.

[Hank]

That's much different than "Clippers are shit. They have zero chance" right? Not sure why it's insulting to Miami to at least admit it would be competitive. Even last year in the finals run we saw BOTH the Pacers and the Celtics push Miami to 7 games..

That was without Bosh dude. The Heat are 5-1 in playoff series Bosh has participated in. Have won those 5 series in 5 games or less.

If Bosh is out in the Finals, and if the Clippers are the team from the West, then yes the Clippers do have a better chance obviously (since you brought up Indy and boston last year)

And the Pacers series didn't go 7 games, it went 6.. here's how the 6th game went, to refresh your memory:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfWCVEDwE5I

[LoneyROY7]

So enough threads about Lebron vs MJ, and Dwightmare. I can't believe there aren't a bunch of Clipper/Billups threads after the past week.

The Clippers put together a great week of bball this week after the return of Chris Paul and Billups.

It's only been a week, but Billups has shown he will be able to do a lot more than most people expected. I for one thought his career was over after last year's injury. It clearly isn't.




The deepest team in the league just got even deeper. It will be great watching them get to the Finals while all the Durant slurpers sit there shocked. :rockon:

I co-sign this powerful post.

[Clippersfan86]

That was without Bosh dude. The Heat are 51 in playoff series Bosh has participated in. Have won those 5 series in 5 games or less.

If Bosh is out in the Finals, and if the Clippers are the team from the West, then yes the Clippers do have a better chance obviously (since you brought up Indy and boston last year)

I remember bosh was out with a torn abdomen or w/e. Still Celtics took you guys to 7 the year before with Bosh. NOBODY is favored vs Miami. Just admit the Clippers would likely make it competitive in a series is all. I never denied Miami should be favored, would likely win or wouldn't give the Clippers any problems.

[Derka]

And I'm Malcolm X, n*gga.

Name that cartoon.

[Clippersfan86]

I never commented on OP though and I should. I don't want to get TOO high believe it or not despite the success. Do I think the Clippers COULD make the finals? Absolutely. Specifically my personal opinion would be more like "good" shot at the WCF and "puncher's chance" at the finals. If everything goes right in the playoffs they could definitely be in the finals but a more realistic expectation for me is WCF, especially if they draw the right opponents.

[Hank]

I remember bosh was out with a torn abdomen or w/e. Still Celtics took you guys to 7 the year before with Bosh. NOBODY is favored vs Miami. Just admit the Clippers would likely make it competitive in a series is all. I never denied Miami should be favored, would likely win or wouldn't give the Clippers any problems.

Dude, just stop it. The Celtics series the year before the Heat won in 5 games, not 7.

Again, to refresh your memory:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTHOz7CXrk4

With a healthy Bosh, and healthy Heat team, they beat the Clippers (and it won't be close, in other words it won't go 7)

[Clippersfan86]

Dude, just stop it. The Celtics series the year before the Heat won in 5, not 7

Again, to refresh your memory:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTHOz7CXrk4

Okay I made a mistake. Still the Celtics do a good job playing competitive ball vs Miami, as do the Pacers (at least last year).

[Whoah10115]

I actually think the Heat could be a better team this year, by the time the playoffs come around. They added players and have depth, but mostly it's Chris Anderson. Yes, James is a better player (not having a better season) and, even tho his defense hasn't been what it was last year, heshould be clicking on all cylinders in the playoffs. Wade is healthier this year, tho he's not playing any better for the season. But he should continue to get better as the season progresses.


But Anderson has to be good. His defense, shot-blocking, open-court ability...mostly, his defense and shot-blocking and his REBOUNDING. Anthony has been very good off the bench. Haslem would be better there. They have a lot of depth at both the 2 and the 3 position. PG will be an issue, because Chalmers is an underachiever and a waste of time at this point. I'd certainly be interested in seeing James run some point and Battier playing in the starting lineup. Let's see.

[Clippersfan86]

I actually think the Heat could be a better team this year, by the time the playoffs come around. They added players and have depth, but mostly it's Chris Anderson. Yes, James is a better player (not having a better season) and, even tho his defense hasn't been what it was last year, heshould be clicking on all cylinders in the playoffs. Wade is healthier this year, tho he's not playing any better for the season. But he should continue to get better as the season progresses.


But Anderson has to be good. His defense, shot-blocking, open-court ability...mostly, his defense and shot-blocking and his REBOUNDING. Anthony has been very good off the bench. Haslem would be better there. They have a lot of depth at both the 2 and the 3 position. PG will be an issue, because Chalmers is an underachiever and a waste of time at this point. I'd certainly be interested in seeing James run some point and Battier playing in the starting lineup. Let's see.

The Heat are a better offense, worse defense. So in some ways they have improved. The shift reminds me of the Spurs in recent years. Went from leading with their dominance defensively to becoming a lights out offensive team with average defense. Finally this year they brought it back into balance more.

[Hank]

Okay I made a mistake. Still the Celtics do a good job playing competitive ball vs Miami, as do the Pacers (at least last year).

Yeah, they made it competitive without Bosh in there. With Bosh the Heat beat em both in 5 games or less.

The only hope the Clippers have is an unhealthy Heat team with players out.

[Clippersfan86]

Yeah, they made it competitive without Bosh in there. With Bosh the Heat beat em both in 5 games or less.

The only hope the Clippers have is an unhealthy Heat team with players out.

Did you read the numbers your Big 3 has put up vs the Clippers the last 3 years? Or conveniently avoid it? :confusedshrug: . Also did you know the Clippers have won 11 of the last 13 home games vs the Heat? Which is why I said HCA would likely determine this series.

[ihoopallday]

I'm pretty sure Hank has down syndrome.

Can't stand when people say these kind of things. You got a problem with people who have syndrome?

[GOBB_Junior]

Can't stand when people say these kind of things. You got a problem with people who have syndrome?


Just ignore that dude.

[Clippersfan86]

Can't stand when people say these kind of things. You got a problem with people who have syndrome?

Agreed. I mean there are probably some people with Down Syndrome who are more intelligent than Hank so it's not fair to them to bring this up.

[Hank]

The Heat are a better offense, worse defense. .

lol. Keep believing that. See you in the playoffs....if the Clips can even make it out of the West (and that's a big "IF").

[Clippersfan86]

lol. Keep believing that. See you in the playoffs....if the Clips can even make it out of the West (and that's a big IF).

I'm gonna laugh at you if the Heat get axed in the second round by a team like the Pacers with all this boasting and trash talk.

[Hank]

You didn't even know Miami beat the C's in 5 games in 2011. And you thought our series with the Pacers went 7. You don't even follow basketball during it's critical moments. So you obviously know little if anything about the Heat.

[Clippersfan86]

You didn't even know Miami beat the C's in 5 games in 2011. And you thought our series with the Pacers went 7. You don't even follow basketball during it's critical moments. So you obviously know little if anything about the Heat.

I'm not looking this stuff up. Me being off a bit on Heat stuff doesn't change the premise of what I said which is that those teams play Miami tough. Okay so the Pacers lost in 6, not 7... shoot me. It's beyond arrogant to act like Miami is a lock for the finals. Pacers are on fire, Celtics are playing well, Knicks have blown them out by an average of 24 ppg in two games. No doubt they are the favorites but don't act like the Heat are unbeatable because they clearly aren't.

[Hank]

I'm not looking this stuff up. Me being off a bit on Heat stuff doesn't change the premise of what I said which is that those teams play Miami tough. Okay so the Pacers lost in 6, not 7... shoot me. It's beyond arrogant to act like Miami is a lock for the finals. Pacers are on fire, Celtics are playing well, Knicks have blown them out by an average of 24 ppg in two games. No doubt they are the favorites but don't act like the Heat are unbeatable because they clearly aren't.

None of those teams have a chance in a 7-game series against a healthy Heat squad.

A healthy Heat squad are unbeatable vs those teams when it comes to a 7-game "postseason" series. It's the truth.

Now if you want to go the route of the Celtics and Pacers looking "tough" against a Bosh-less Heat team, and still losing the series, that's another topic altogether.

[Clippersfan86]

None of those teams have a chance in a 7-game series against a healthy Heat squad.

A healthy Heat squad are unbeatable vs those teams when it comes to a 7-game "postseason" series. It's the truth.

Now if you want to go the route of the Celtics and Pacers looking "tough" against a Bosh-less Heat team, and still losing the series, that's another topic altogether.

Based on what? The past? Teams change. Miami looks no where near as dominant as last year, especially defensively. Nothing guarantees they will be "unbeatable". If you want to be clowned and laughed at though for taking such a stance and continue being compared to children with down syndrome by all means continue.

I may be a massive homer and diehard fan but I'd never talk up the Clippers like you're doing and act like they are unbeatable, even if they were. It's just ignorant and shows a lack of knowledge for how the game of basketball and the playoffs work. Injuries and momentum have a TON to do with the playoffs. Anything can happen, including Miami losing even if healthy.

Talent wise Miami isn't the most talented or deepest team in the NBA, nor do they have the best record. Therefor you acting like they are the 96 Bulls and supreme to everybody is beyond idiotic :hammerhead: .

[ihoopallday]

Agreed. I mean there are probably some people with Down Syndrome who are more intelligent than Hank so it's not fair to them to bring this up.

:roll: :roll: :roll: That last part killed me. Wasn't expecting that. Anyways, you two need to quit arguing so much. Clippers and Heat are fairly matched up. They did kill us earlier in the season when both teams were healthy. I'm curious to see Crawford in the playoffs. I think he's their x factor.

[Whoah10115]

The Heat are a better offense, worse defense. So in some ways they have improved. The shift reminds me of the Spurs in recent years. Went from leading with their dominance defensively to becoming a lights out offensive team with average defense. Finally this year they brought it back into balance more.



That's for the season, but they have more quality, on both sides, than last year.

[Fudge]

The **** kinda name is "Hank"? Change your name for christ sake.

[Scholar]

Wade > Paul

Bosh > Griffin

Lebron > The rest of the Clippers combined


What the ****?

[Hank]

Based on what? The past? Teams change. Miami looks no where near as dominant as last year, especially defensively.

Yes I'm sure. That's why Miami is a bigger favorite to win the NBA championship now compared to the AS break at this time last year. Not to mention that dominant Miami team being big underdogs to the -170 OKC Thunder in the NBA Finals.


Nothing guarantees they will be "unbeatable". If you want to be clowned and laughed at though for taking such a stance and continue being compared to children with down syndrome by all means continue.

I may be a massive homer and diehard fan but I'd never talk up the Clippers like you're doing and act like they are unbeatable, even if they were. It's just ignorant and shows a lack of knowledge for how the game of basketball and the playoffs work. Injuries and momentum have a TON to do with the playoffs. Anything can happen, including Miami losing even if healthy.

Talent wise Miami isn't the most talented or deepest team in the NBA, nor do they have the best record. Therefor you acting like they are the 96 Bulls and supreme to everybody is beyond idiotic :hammerhead: .

I'll guarantee it. Nothing will stop Miami from winning the Eastern conference finals if the team is healthy. That's just the truth. And do you really think I care what you (or anyone else calls me) for stating the truth ? lol, please son.

[Clippersfan86]

That's for the season, but they have more quality, on both sides, than last year.

Again... I personally don't see that. I see a team that's less hungry (Chris Bosh openly admitted this). People are talking about a dynasty with Miami but Wade is declining with age and injuries already, Lebron is as good as he will ever be (if he gets any better he's the undisputed GOAT and I just don't see that), Bosh is as good as he will be as a 3rd option.

Remember when in the preseason many of us, especially Heat fans swore Miami would have one of the best benches in the NBA this year? Well guess what? They are yet again the 28th ranked bench offensively and 25th defensively. They went from the 8th ranked offense to the 1st and 4th ranked defense to 12th.

In other words.. it's all in your heads if you think Miami has improved. They've taken a bigger slide defensively than they've improved offensively and their bench is producing the same, despite adding Ray Allen. Not saying it stays like this the rest of the year but to this point that's the reality.

[Whoah10115]

Again... I personally don't see that. I see a team that's less hungry (Chris Bosh openly admitted this). People are talking about a dynasty with Miami but Wade is declining with age and injuries already, Lebron is as good as he will ever be (if he gets any better he's the undisputed GOAT and I just don't see that), Bosh is as good as he will be as a 3rd option.

Remember when in the preseason many of us, especially Heat fans swore Miami would have one of the best benches in the NBA this year? Well guess what? They are yet again the 28th ranked bench offensively and 25th defensively. They went from the 8th ranked offense to the 1st and 4th ranked defense to 12th.

In other words.. it's all in your heads if you think Miami has improved. They've taken a bigger slide defensively than they've improved offensively and their bench is producing the same, despite adding Ray Allen. Not saying it stays like this the rest of the year but to this point that's the reality.



It is all in my head, as I agree they haven't been as hungry for most of this year and that, like I said, they have more quality on both sides of the ball than they did last year.


Wade is not a worse player than he was last year. Bosh's defense has improved, tho his rebounding has declined. Anthony is now playing off the bench and is more valuable for that. Cole has improved, tho Chalmers has regressed. Anderson is now on the team and that's the big one. He defends well and he rebounds very well. The rebounding is what is essential. Plus, he offers minutes at the C position and can allow Bosh to move back to PF, where he is clearly a better player. He puts Anthony, Bosh and Haslem back into a better position...if Spoelstra puts him into the starting lineup. Without that, I don't think they can win.


They may not be a better team so far in the year, but they could very well be ready to be better when the playoffs start. Look at the Lakers in 2001. To me, it's about Anderson and about Chalmers.

[Clippersfan86]

It is all in my head, as I agree they haven't been as hungry for most of this year and that, like I said, they have more quality on both sides of the ball than they did last year.


Wade is not a worse player than he was last year. Bosh's defense has improved, tho his rebounding has declined. Anthony is now playing off the bench and is more valuable for that. Cole has improved, tho Chalmers has regressed. Anderson is now on the team and that's the big one. He defends well and he rebounds very well. The rebounding is what is essential. Plus, he offers minutes at the C position and can allow Bosh to move back to PF, where he is clearly a better player. He puts Anthony, Bosh and Haslem back into a better position...if Spoelstra puts him into the starting lineup. Without that, I don't think they can win.


They may not be a better team so far in the year, but they could very well be ready to be better when the playoffs start. Look at the Lakers in 2001. To me, it's about Anderson and about Chalmers.

Worse overall production, same exact bench, Wade surely IS having a worse year and their record is worse at this point in the season than last year. I'm having a hard team seeing how they are clearly better as you're saying. In fact I'd wager as a team overall they are worse. Why do I say that? Well because to even be close to on par with last year's team Lebron is having to have a GOAT caliber seasons. If Lebron was Lebron of last year this team would be worse than last year's team.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Lets be real though, no one is beating Miami in a 7 game series.

[shaq2000]

Hard to believe Hank is an adult.

[Kingwillball]

Lol skimming through this thread. Anyway, the Heat will be prohibited favorite against any team if healthy. If they are don't see anybody stopping Lebron and Co.

[Funnyfuka]

clippers are so stacked with talent it's not even funny. I d say they even more stacked than miami in fact. Del negro just like spoelstra are lucky bastards to have such stacked teams, you dont even have to tell them anything, simply let them play together until they find a way to gel.

[Whoah10115]

Worse overall production, same exact bench, Wade surely IS having a worse year and their record is worse at this point in the season than last year. I'm having a hard team seeing how they are clearly better as you're saying. In fact I'd wager as a team overall they are worse. Why do I say that? Well because to even be close to on par with last year's team Lebron is having to have a GOAT caliber seasons. If Lebron was Lebron of last year this team would be worse than last year's team.



James was better last year. His defense was miles ahead of what it is this year.


I don't get what you're saying tho...I'm telling you that they've been worse this season but that they have talent and that if Anderson steps up, he'll fill holes that they have this year and had last year. Maybe I'm wrong, but you can't tell me I'm wrong by saying they haven't been as good.


Wade isn't having as good a year...except that he's not missing games thru injuries. And, regardless of the season he's having, he doesn't look to have declined between this year and last. The decline would have come before this year. He's holding on well right now.

[Clippersfan86]

James was better last year. His defense was miles ahead of what it is this year.


I don't get what you're saying tho...I'm telling you that they've been worse this season but that they have talent and that if Anderson steps up, he'll fill holes that they have this year and had last year. Maybe I'm wrong, but you can't tell me I'm wrong by saying they haven't been as good.


Wade isn't having as good a year...except that he's not missing games thru injuries. And, regardless of the season he's having, he doesn't look to have declined between this year and last. The decline would have come before this year. He's holding on well right now.

It sounded like you were saying currently they are better than they were at this point last year, which would be wrong. I strongly disagree with Lebron having a worse season. Ask any Heat fan and they will agree with me Lebron is having a GOAT discussion worthy season and the best of his career. Sure his defense has slipped a bit but he's more unstoppable in the post, rebounding better and in general has become more dominant.

Now that it seems you're saying this team theoretically COULD and CAN be better, I agree on paper they have more talent. So far though they aren't utilizing it to it's full potential.

[Big Cheese]

I love watching the clippers play but until blake griffin becomes dominant they not going to the finals.

There is too big of a load cp3 has to carry every night. not to mention their coach is Vinny Del negro :lol

[Whoah10115]

It sounded like you were saying currently they are better than they were at this point last year, which would be wrong. I strongly disagree with Lebron having a worse season. Ask any Heat fan and they will agree with me Lebron is having a GOAT discussion worthy season and the best of his career. Sure his defense has slipped a bit but he's more unstoppable in the post, rebounding better and in general has become more dominant.

Now that it seems you're saying this team theoretically COULD and CAN be better, I agree on paper they have more talent. So far though they aren't utilizing it to it's full potential.



I think he was better on defense and in transition last year...being better in transition is actually important for this team, because there are other options. It's like with the Paul thing. The guy above me has said that the Clippers can't win until Griffin steps it up a bit and that Paul carries too big a load. I could argue (and I've seen you make this point a number of times) that the team doesn't go thru Griffin enough sometimes and that Paul is asked to do too much. I'd go further and say that Paul sometimes tries to do much, himself...I also argue that he's prone to looking for Butler way too much, and that he should do a better job, himself, of establishing Griffin in the post and establishing that pick n' roll with Griffin. I think James was freer last year. He's better in the half-court this year and it's obvious he's a better player now. But his defense was so ridiculous last year...He was arguably the best defender in the league and this year I don't think he should (at this point) make either defensive team...and that's with KG moving to center.


With Birdman playing more and with Bosh back at the PF position (this is essential) then this team could get back to being more dangerous in transition. That not only improves their defense but it gives their players more opportunities to score. When you have some of these players, they need to contribute a lot to be worth anything. That's why they're so good to begin with.


That they could still get there is why I think they could end up better.

[brandonislegend]

So enough threads about Lebron vs MJ, and Dwightmare. I can't believe there aren't a bunch of Clipper/Billups threads after the past week.

The Clippers put together a great week of bball this week after the return of Chris Paul and Billups.

It's only been a week, but Billups has shown he will be able to do a lot more than most people expected. I for one thought his career was over after last year's injury. It clearly isn't.




The deepest team in the league just got even deeper. It will be great watching them get to the Finals while all the Durant slurpers sit there shocked. :rockon:

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[alleykat]

Isn't the thread about clippers going to the 2013 finals? Everybody is acting like the heat and them are already in it.....

[All Net]

They stand a legit shot

It's between thunder, spurs and clips.

[Lord Leoshes]

Can't stand when people say these kind of things. You got a problem with people who have syndrome?

We have enough people trying to destroy our constitution, leave our 1st amendment alone, & stop trying to control others. :no:

[senelcoolidge]

I love watching the clippers play but until blake griffin becomes dominant they not going to the finals.

There is too big of a load cp3 has to carry every night. not to mention their coach is Vinny Del negro :lol

Miami doesn't have anyone that can defend Griffin. They can double him, but he can find the open man. If Griffin is assertive he's virtually unstoppable. Guys that follow the Clippers know that when Griffin is aggressive he's almost unstoppable. I think he's too unselfish at times, sometimes he just not assertive and doesn't want the ball, or the team goes away from him. Griffin's defense has also improved a lot. When the Clippers are rolling I don't think anyone can stop them. Their perimeter defense is their biggest weakness.

[TheNaturalWR]

Worse overall production, same exact bench, Wade surely IS having a worse year and their record is worse at this point in the season than last year. I'm having a hard team seeing how they are clearly better as you're saying. In fact I'd wager as a team overall they are worse. Why do I say that? Well because to even be close to on par with last year's team Lebron is having to have a GOAT caliber seasons. If Lebron was Lebron of last year this team would be worse than last year's team.

You're a complete idiot if you think Wade is having a worse year. Last year the team was completely inept when LeBron was on the bench and he was playing PG. This year? FAR from it. Wade looks 5x quicker than he was last year and that automatically makes him better than he was last year. Him shooting over 40% from 16-23 feet doesn't hurt either. Just stop.

[Doranku]

Wade > Paul

Bosh > Griffin

Lebron > The rest of the Clippers combined
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[sportsfan76]

So enough threads about Lebron vs MJ, and Dwightmare. I can't believe there aren't a bunch of Clipper/Billups threads after the past week.

The Clippers put together a great week of bball this week after the return of Chris Paul and Billups.

It's only been a week, but Billups has shown he will be able to do a lot more than most people expected. I for one thought his career was over after last year's injury. It clearly isn't.




The deepest team in the league just got even deeper. It will be great watching them get to the Finals while all the Durant slurpers sit there shocked. :rockon:


And you are basing all of this on what the Clippers are doing in February???

stop posting

[RidonKs]

i've sort of turned into a clipper hater this year. i dunno why, maybe it's the flopper reputation that i've seen vindicated often enough, maybe i'm just a bitter lakers fan. i like chris paul for his professionalism and gritty antics but the rest of the team i'm lukewarm on.

so maybe that's why i'm hoping they don't. because honestly if they do, miami will steamroll them. of the three western contenders i think the clippers absolutely have the worst chance to dethrone the champions. i still don't the blake is ready to handle playoff adversity and it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he faded late in games. and then you've mostly just got miami playing the rose-led bulls from years past, without the defense. thats an oversimplification but in crunch time, paul will consistently not be enough. heat are too potent offensively and too active on defense. clips have nobody who can even hang with lebron, certainly nobody on thabo or leonard level

plus they still just aren't very well built. too many pieces, too many swingmen and a shorter playoff roster will nix a key advantage they have over other teams.



i'm sort of thinking whoever winds up with the 1st seed will likely advance. memphis presumably no longer being the threat they were without a strong scoring swingman to take the load of the bigs, its gonna be that 2nd round that'll wear somebody down. and it'll likely wind up being the thunder who will then move on to face a fresh spurs team. all speculation i know but thats what i'm thinking

i'm also gunning for the spurs tho so im a bit biased

[tmacattack33]

And you are basing all of this on what the Clippers are doing in February???

stop posting

Nope.

I'm basing it off of what they did last year with Billups, last year without Crawford and Grant Hill, and this whole season with Chris Paul in the game (they're around 35-12 with him).

Now, they have Paul, Billups, Crawford, and Grant Hill all the same time.

And yes, it is only February. But I am not going to wait until I see the results before I make a prediction. That is why it is called a prediction :oldlol: .

[Hizack]

bump

[Fudge]

Lol

[Kiddlovesnets]

Clippers are not making playoffs in 2014 with Chris Paul gone.

[Bandito]

Clippers are not making playoffs in 2014 with Chris Paul gone.
Blake is going to get better you'll see:(

[andremiller07]

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