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SilkkTheShocker

02-17-2013, 03:54 PM

Of all the top players in history, he has no signature playoff moments. No "flu game" or LeBron's game 5 against Detroit. Tim Duncan has game 6 of the 03 Finals. Dirk's game 1 against OKC in 2011. Wade has all of the 2006 Finals. Magic against Philly as a rookie. And his baby hook against the Celtics. Great player, but no signature playoff moments. I just keep think of Artest carrying the team in game 7. And Fisher hitting all the big shots in the 09 Finals.

Mr. Jabbar

02-17-2013, 03:57 PM

You mean like lebrons signature 2011 Finals or his game against the Celtics? or perhaps the Finals sweep?

TMT

02-17-2013, 03:57 PM

Alley to Shaq
Buzzer beater against Suns
Standing on table with championship hat and confetti all around

First three to come to mind.

pauk

02-17-2013, 03:58 PM

You mean like lebrons signature 2011 Finals or his game against the Celtics?

Even though Kobe has MANY more of those moments in the playoffs.... thats not what the OP is talking about i think.

SilkkTheShocker

02-17-2013, 04:01 PM

Alley to Shaq
Buzzer beater against Suns
Standing on table with championship hat and confetti all around

First three to come to mind.

I don't think anyone is going to be telling their kids about those. Nothing close to Reggie's 8 points in 8.9 seconds :bowdown:

lebeast666

02-17-2013, 04:01 PM

He does...His signature get saved by Ron Artest in game 7 moment.

All I can think of :confusedshrug:

STATUTORY

02-17-2013, 04:01 PM

how about taking the 3-1 lead against the favored/higher ranked Suns in a thrilling buzzer beater?

Game 1 vs Orlando also

really many performances in the WCF.

howlin_wolf

02-17-2013, 04:01 PM

Definitely the shots to tie and win the game in OT against the Suns.

nightprowler10

02-17-2013, 04:02 PM

The alley-oop to Shaq is what I think of.

SilkkTheShocker

02-17-2013, 04:02 PM

Even though Kobe has MANY more of those moments in the playoffs.... thats not what the OP is talking about i think.

Im referring to playoffs moments that we link to the hall of famers. Like when you of Jordan, you probably think of the game 6 of the 98 Finals, The Shot, Flu game, etc. Kobe is a great, great player. But he doesn't have any of those legendary playoff moments.

SpecialQue

02-17-2013, 04:07 PM

I'm more impressed by OP's signature "beating off into my friend's sister's underwear drawer" move.

SilkkTheShocker

02-17-2013, 04:09 PM

I'm more impressed by OP's signature "beating off into my friend's sister's underwear drawer" move.

What happens in the Off Topic Thread, stays in the Off Topic Thread :pimp:

SpecialQue

02-17-2013, 04:10 PM

What happens in the Off Topic Thread, stays in the Off Topic Thread :pimp:

Hey, it's still my favorite story on ISH.

kennethgriffin

02-17-2013, 04:11 PM

ummmm

2000 vs suns - game winner vs suns

2000 vs blazers - 15 point 4th quarter, leading scorer, biggest assist in laker history

2000 vs indiana - game 4 injured ankle take over with shaq out, best performance by a 20-21 year old since magic johnsons rookie finals mvp with kareem out, go ahead winning shots, winning tip in

2001 vs kings - the 48/16 game.

2002 vs spurs - shaq calls him the best player, officially takes over the torch

2004 vs pistons - the shot

2006 vs suns - the dunk on nash ( probably the best dunk ever in the playoffs that ive ever witnessed )

2006 vs suns - the game winner

2009 vs suns - the streak ( best shooting performance ive ever seen in the playoffs. )

2009 vs magic - the leaning reverse shot over dwight in the deciding game ( almost jordan like vs the lakers in 91 )

these are fresh in my mind

and he has many more big moments. but these are his most memorable

konex

02-17-2013, 04:11 PM

Some of Kobe best series have been WCFs IMO. His last 3 WCF series have been spectacular with the Suns in 2010 being the best

tikay0

02-17-2013, 04:12 PM

The alley-oop to Shaq is what I think of.

Pretty much. That's the only stand out moment of Kobe to me.

It symbolized his whole NBA career basically. Good player assisting great big men.

OldSchoolBBall

02-17-2013, 04:14 PM

2006 vs suns - the dunk on nash ( probably the best dunk ever in the playoffs that ive ever witnessed )

You must not have seen many playoff dunks then. :oldlol:

tikay0

02-17-2013, 04:14 PM

Rysio

02-17-2013, 04:14 PM

there is just too many too choose. pretty much every playoff game he plays is a signature moment thats why its so hard to find that one defining moment. :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

tazb

02-17-2013, 04:16 PM

I disagree he does have signature playoff moments...but signature finals moments? :confusedshrug: All I can think of is that 16 points in like 6 minutes against Boston, but that came with an L. LeBron already has a legendary cramp game and much more will come throughout his career. :rockon: Also LeBron's Game 6 of the ECF >>> any of Kobe's playoff games.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30b8RM4XqNI

kennethgriffin

02-17-2013, 04:21 PM

GTFOH, no one remembers that shit. Those aren't stand the test of time moments like the aforementioned list.

the problem with idiots is that they blow up the littlest body gesture michael jordan makes and they turn it into a signature moment. you f*cking idiots think him shrugging his shoulder is a top 10 playoff moment

or jumping in the air and wiggling his feet while throwing a right arm accross his chest is something legends are made of

or chewing gum like a horse deserves a statue of some kind

the fact is most of the great jordan moments are just over exadurated body gestures

i'm surprised him taking a pre game dump isnt on his list

i mean come on? flu game? kobes had a ton of flu games...

kobes had a game where he f*cking flew to denver colorado to fight for his life in a rape trial. then during half time in los angeles against DENVER he flew back in time to hit the game fu*cking winning shot!

thats true hollywood story book sh*t

not some up and under scoop shot... like come on you nitwits... only reason kobes big moments arnt as memorable is because his fans remember the result. his work and his will to win

all jordan fans ever wanna talk about is how he tosses powder

:facepalm

SilkkTheShocker

02-17-2013, 04:21 PM

GTFOH, no one remembers that shit. Those aren't stand the test of time moments like the aforementioned list.

Yea, how many of you are going to be telling your kids about those moments? Would you rather talk about Magic winning finals MVP as rookie or Kobe dunking over Nash? Im not even hating on Kobe. He will go down as no worse than a top 5 player. But he just doesn't have any real signature moments that stick out.

BuffaloBill

02-17-2013, 04:21 PM

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1160616-power-ranking-kobe-byants-11-greatest-playoff-moments

tikay0

02-17-2013, 04:24 PM

Yea, how many of you are going to be telling your kids about those moments? Would you rather talk about Magic winning finals MVP as rookie or Kobe dunking over Nash? Im not even hating on Kobe. He will go down as no worse than a top 5 player. But he just doesn't have any real signature moments that stick out.

I wouldn't even have thought of that dunk, if it wasn't for this thread. That's how memorable that dunk was.

tikay0

02-17-2013, 04:26 PM

Kobe fans are using examples of in game moments, where almost all elite NBA players have those same moments.

Kobe doesn't have a moment, where he was the "man", and went through some adversity. Or finally conquered something, and went up against Goliath.

He was always on the Goliath team.

tmacattack33

02-17-2013, 04:26 PM

Alley to Shaq
Buzzer beater against Suns
Standing on table with championship hat and confetti all around

First three to come to mind.

:biggums:

If that is one of his signature moments, he has a problem lol.

And if that is a signature moment, i guess Chris Bosh taking champagne to the face as if someone was blowing a load on him is also a signature moment. :oldlol:

Heavincent

02-17-2013, 04:27 PM

The ****? Where have you been? :oldlol:

- 4th quarter/OT takeover in 00 Finals without Shaq
- Leading the 4th quarter comeback against the Blazers in 00 (capped off by oop to Shaq)
- Taking a giant shit on the Spurs and Kings in 01 (45/10 game against the spurs and 48/16 game against the Kings)
- 2 buzzer beaters against the Suns in 06
- Averaged 34/6/5 on 50% against the Nuggets in 08 (had a 49 point game)
- Averaged 34/6/6 on 48% in the 09 WCF (shat on Melo and the Nuggets again)
- Averaged 34/8/8 on 52% in the 10 WCF

Those aren't signature games and moments? :confusedshrug:

tikay0

02-17-2013, 04:29 PM

:biggums:

If that is one of his signature moments, he has a problem lol.

And if that is a signature moment, i guess Chris Bosh taking champagne to the face as if someone was blowing a load on him is also a signature moment. :oldlol:

BAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :roll: The way you said it, had me cracking the **** up.

http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/chris-bosh-champagne-530x530.jpg

tikay0

02-17-2013, 04:30 PM

KyrieTheFuture

02-17-2013, 04:30 PM

That's an unfair comparison I mean how many legendary moments does Duncan have?

Heavincent

02-17-2013, 04:31 PM

Kobe doesn't have a moment, where he was the "man", and went through some adversity. Or finally conquered something, and went up against Goliath.

What about all of the "Kobe can't win without Shaq" BS? People were bringing that up constantly.

konex

02-17-2013, 04:31 PM

I disagree he does have signature playoff moments...but signature finals moments?

Kobe has scored 40 in the Finals before (Orlando). He also saved the Lakers ass vs. Indiana when Shaq fouled out. He also hit a 3 at the buzzer to force OT and the win vs. Detroit. Those are just off the top of my head...

Deuce Bigalow

02-17-2013, 04:34 PM

00 WCF Game 7 - 4th quarter + alley oop
00 Finals Game 4 - 4th quarter + OT
06 1st Round Game 4 - game tying jumper + game winner in OT

Can you give me a list of Larry Bird's? Hakeem's? Duncan's?
If you're going to use great games as an example for Duncan then two can play that game.
50 point game
49 points and 10 assists
48 points and 16 rebounds
45 points and 10 rebounds
40 points, 8 rebounds, 8 assists

How about these 3 straight games during the 10 WCF
36/9/11
38/7/10
30/11/9

tikay0

02-17-2013, 04:35 PM

That's an unfair comparison I mean how many legendary moments does Duncan have?

He doesn't need any, because he was the MAN on his team.

Ne 1

02-17-2013, 04:36 PM

-Game 1 2009 Finals, hitting all kind of shots over Clee and Pietrus.
-Dominant WCF performances.
-Game tying shot + game winner vs Suns (2006 Playoffs).
-2000 finals, when Shaq fouled out and he took over.
-2008 WCF Game 1- Lakers down 20. Kobe single-handily brings them back in the 2nd half with 25 pts and 5 assists.

How about when he was drooping 40+ on the Spurs in the '01 WCF?

How about when he was leading the Lakers back from 10+ 2nd half deficits THREE TIMES in 2002?

How about when he was ripping up the Spurs in 2004?

How about when brought the Lakers back against Portland in 00'?

How about the 50 point game against the Suns in '06?

take your pick.

Anyway who needs a "signature" playoff moment when you have 5 rings? Honestly...

You think we're gonna forget in 10 years he had 5 rings? No.

KyrieTheFuture

02-17-2013, 04:36 PM

Games don't count as great moments to me. The flu game is great because he did that with the flu not because he played well. The shrug is hilarious because the coach came out before saying we'll win by making him shoot 3s and that failed miserably

boozehound

02-17-2013, 04:37 PM

sure he does. 6-24

Heavincent

02-17-2013, 04:37 PM

NO ONE REMEMBERS THAT SHIT.

What does that even mean? :oldlol:

Nobody remembers any specific moment from Duncan, Hakeem, or Shaq either. They just remember their general dominance. Nobody has ever asked me if I remember that jump hook Duncan hit in the 4th quarter of game 1 in the 03 Finals. In fact, you don't really hear about Duncan that much. Does that mean shit? No, it doesn't.

You're basically telling me "yeah, he dominated, but nobody gave any of those games a cool title". So what? :oldlol:

Andrei89

02-17-2013, 04:38 PM

Young X

02-17-2013, 04:38 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACZnF87Iy84

tikay0

02-17-2013, 04:39 PM

What about all of the "Kobe can't win without Shaq" BS? People were bringing that up constantly.

Ok, so he needed Bynum/Gasol/Artest. What's your point.

You can't win without MJ either, but you can win with Alonzo Mourning/Shareef Abdur Rahim/Jalen Rose.

tikay0

02-17-2013, 04:40 PM

What does that even mean? :oldlol:

Nobody remembers any specific moment from Duncan, Hakeem, or Shaq either. They just remember their general dominance. Nobody has ever asked me if I remember that jump hook Duncan hit in the 4th quarter of game 1 in the 03 Finals. In fact, you don't really hear about Duncan that much. Does that mean shit? No, it doesn't.

You're basically telling me "yeah, he dominated, but nobody gave any of those games a cool title". So what? :oldlol:

Kobe never had to carry a team in the playoffs or the Finals. Get over it.

MJ23forever

02-17-2013, 04:40 PM

Kobe's had some great performances in the playoffs over his career but there is one game and one particular play that will always stand out to me. The game would be game 7 of the 2002 WCF up in sac-town. Kobe played 52mins, had 30 points, 10 boards, 7 assits and 2 steals.

It wasnt so much the numbers and the numbers were great, it was just the type of determination he and the rest of the Lakers had in that game. They went into one of the hardest arenas to win in that season and they got it done in a game 7. Just an impressive, impressive perfomance.

Now the play that stands out was against the Spurs in the second round during that same playoff run in 2002. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=R3lUtG5vL6k#t=248s

He went between and over both Duncan and Robinson two 7 footers for one of the greatest rebounds i've ever seen. That one particular play shows the type of determination Kobe had for that entire playoff run. Shaq was battling injuries for pretty much the entire Western Conference playoff run and Kobe refused to let them lose.

Deuce Bigalow

02-17-2013, 04:42 PM

Ok, so he needed Bynum/Gasol/Artest. What's your point.

You can't win without MJ either, but you can win with Alonzo Mourning/Shareef Abdur Rahim/Jalen Rose.
Bynum
09 Playoffs: 6/4
10 Playoffs: 9/7

Artest
09 Playoffs: wasn't on the team
10 Playoffs: 11/4/2

Oh no! He needed so much help.

Deuce Bigalow

02-17-2013, 04:44 PM

Kobe never had to carry a team in the playoffs or the Finals. Get over it.
Then nobody has either. One player doesn't "carry" a whole team to victories in the playoffs.

boozehound

02-17-2013, 04:46 PM

Bynum
09 Playoffs: 6/4
10 Playoffs: 9/7

Artest
09 Playoffs: wasn't on the team
10 Playoffs: 11/4/2

Oh no! He needed so much help.
really, you are referencing bynum playing through injury? Also, nice of you to neglect gasol's stats in your post.

Lets face it. Kobe has had some of the best all around teams (either because of one other transcendent star like shaq and great role players or because of a bunch of tier 2 type players such as odom and gasol). He has been great at times in the playoffs, but he has also been a chucker who his teammates had to prop up as well. People comparing him to MJ are idiots.

Dragonyeuw

02-17-2013, 04:50 PM

The only one of his best playoffs plays that has sort of become immortalized( played over and over like Jordans switch-hand, shrug against Portland, championship shot over Utah, Magics babyhook against Celtics, Bird stealing the inbound pass, etc etc) is the alleyhoop to Shaq. He has several moments but they don't seem to be regarded as iconic as the ones I mentioned above.

Money 23

02-17-2013, 04:52 PM

Kobe hasn't had many iconic games or series, but he has had moments:

Kobe 19 points 3rd quarter v.s. Celtics (2010)
Kobe over Suns (2010) slap coach on the butt
Kobe switch hands shot over Dwight (2009)
Kobe over Suns (2006) MJ fist pump
Kobe taking over Pacers (2000)
Kobe alley oop to Shaq (2000)

gengiskhan

02-17-2013, 04:53 PM

Deuce Bigalow

02-17-2013, 04:53 PM

Nobody really remembers this but it's still a signature peak Kobe game.

2008 WCF Game 1
With 5:53 left in the 3rd quarter, the Spurs were up by 20 points after a Duncan bucket. Since then, Kobe scored 23 points and dishes out 4 assists. The entire Spurs team only scored 20 since then and Lakers come back and won the game. Kobe hit a field goal with 23.9 seconds left with the game tied.

Final 17:53 of 08 WCF Game 1
Kobe: 23 points
Spurs: 20 points

4th quarter of 08 WCF Game 1
Kobe: 14 points
Spurs: 13 points

lefthook00

02-17-2013, 04:55 PM

I don't think any superstar, not MJ, not LBJ, has had TWO buzzer beaters in the SAME GAME in the playoffs like Kobe did against the Suns.

tikay0

02-17-2013, 05:05 PM

I don't think any superstar, not MJ, not LBJ, has had TWO buzzer beaters in the SAME GAME in the playoffs like Kobe did against the Suns.

Yet, no one remembers that, because it was against the Suns. In the 1st round!

gengiskhan

02-17-2013, 05:14 PM

I don't think any superstar, not MJ, not LBJ, has had TWO buzzer beaters in the SAME GAME in the playoffs like Kobe did against the Suns.

Kobe has NO PO moments.

What Kobe did against SUNS, Sir Charles has also done in WC against Jazz. Miller has actually done BETTER against NYK.

i dont get your point.

Where is Kobe's "THE SHOT" to end the series & destroy the CAVs franchise forever.

MJ did it TWICE as "The SHOT" part II in 1993 to end the PO series again.

Shih508

02-17-2013, 05:22 PM

Kobe's most signature playoff moment popped right off my mind was the GAME 6 2002 WCF against Kings, when he elbow'd Bibby and rewarded with FT by ref

Legends66NBA7

02-17-2013, 05:57 PM

Good mentions, here and there. This is might be his most underrated playoff moment, IMO:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWPWvJ2wr44

Glide2keva

02-17-2013, 06:03 PM

Kobe's most signature playoff moment popped right off my mind was the GAME 6 2002 WCF against Kings, when he elbow'd Bibby and rewarded with FT by refThis.

lefthook00

02-17-2013, 06:12 PM

Yet, no one remembers that, because it was against the Suns. In the 1st round!

Pretty sure everyone remembers that, including you.

Droid101

02-17-2013, 06:13 PM

Alley to Shaq
Buzzer beater against Suns
Standing on table with championship hat and confetti all around

First three to come to mind.
Even a Spurs fan has no trouble coming up with some. :applause:

gengiskhan

02-17-2013, 06:14 PM

Good mentions, here and there. This is might be his most underrated playoff moment, IMO:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWPWvJ2wr44

Playoffs MILLER has tons of these! absolutely nothing special.

Playoffs Barkley has too. Playoffs Stockton has it too.

the question is WHERE Is Kobe's "PLAYOFFS SIGNATURE" moment !

HINT:

"Now there is a Steal by BIRD, he gives it to dennis & lays it in"

Magic's Johnson's hook shot in Game 5 1987 at Boston Gardens over Celtics.

MJ has too many SIGNATURE moments. I woundnt even bother

Kobe has NONE!

lefthook00

02-17-2013, 06:22 PM

Kobe has NO PO moments.

What Kobe did against SUNS, Sir Charles has also done in WC against Jazz. Miller has actually done BETTER against NYK.

i dont get your point.

Where is Kobe's "THE SHOT" to end the series & destroy the CAVs franchise forever.

MJ did it TWICE as "The SHOT" part II in 1993 to end the PO series again.

My point was, I don't think anyone has hit two buzzer beaters in the same game, in reg and in OT to win it, unless I'm forgetting someone. Of course it's not "THE SHOT", that's MJ the GOAT, different player. You aren't going to find many players with moments like MJ had, other player's moments shouldn't be discredited just because another player's moments are bigger.

So what is your point? Are you saying that Reggie Miller is a better player than Kobe or something b/c he had more memorable moments in the playoffs?

TheMarkMadsen

02-17-2013, 06:22 PM

Every time somebody brings one up all the haters just go " oh nope doesn't count"

2010 slapping Alvin gentry on the ass after hitting a dagger

Leading the 4th quarter comeback against porand & the ally oop to Shaq.

The moment after winning the 09 finals after hearing for years that Kobe couldn't win without Shaq.

The buzzer beaters agains Phoenix.

Many more.

You know why you these "don't stick in your mind"? It's because you all hate Kobe so you just choose not to remember or weren't watching when he was having success and winning championships

imdaman99

02-17-2013, 06:33 PM

he had many against the spurs, who were often the BEST teams the lakers played on their way to the championships.
spurs >>>> anything the lakers played in the finals in the years they won it all. 76ers, pacers, nets.

no pun intended

02-17-2013, 06:35 PM

imdaman99

02-17-2013, 06:36 PM

Kobe's numbers during the 2010 Western Conference Finals against Phoenix were mindblowing.

33.7 PPG 7.2 RPG 8.3 APG 0.8 SPG 1.2 BPG

52.1 FG% 43.2 3PTFG% 88.1 FT%
cmon man, dont you know that series doesnt count just because silkythehomo says it doesnt?

truhooper

02-17-2013, 06:40 PM

The alley-oop to Shaq is what I think of.

same

guy

02-17-2013, 06:49 PM

He's obviously had great moments and great games, but nothing really that highly regarded like you would think given his status. There's nothing he's done in the playoffs thats as memorable as the following:

Magic's Finals game vs. the Sixers
Jordan's 63 points vs. the Celtics
Bird's steal vs. the Pistons
Magic's sky hook game winner vs. the Celtics.
Isiah's 25 4th quarter points vs. the Lakers on a busted ankle
Jordan's game winner vs. the Cavs
Jordan's switching hands layup vs. the Lakers
Jordan's 56 points vs. the Heat
Jordan's 35 first half points vs. the Blazers
Jordan's 54 points vs the Knicks
Jordan's 55 points vs the Suns
Every Finals and playoff run as a whole of Jordan in the first three-peat overall
Reggie's 25 4th quarter points vs. the Knicks
Reggie 8 points in 8 seconds vs. the Knicks
Hakeem's whole 95 playoff run.
Jordan's game 1 game winner vs. the Jazz
Jordan's flu game
Jordan's game 6 game winner and series winner vs. the Jazz
Every Shaq Finals from 2000-2002
AI's game 1 vs. the Lakers
Duncan's near quad double vs. the Nets
Wade's 06 Finals
Lebron's game 5 vs. the Pistons
Lebron vs Pierce in game 7
Lebron's game 6 vs. the Celtics
Lebron's 2012 playoff run

I'm not saying all of the above were better performances then anything Kobe has ever done. But I honestly think they will probably be more memorable moments/performances then any of Kobe's 10-20 years from now. He's obviously had great moments/performances, but they just don't seem that memorable.

guy

02-17-2013, 06:52 PM

Even though Kobe has MANY more of those moments in the playoffs.... thats not what the OP is talking about i think.

No, there is nothing that Kobe has done that was as bad as Lebron's 2011 Finals or Lebron's game 5 vs. the Celtics. Lebron may have had greater and more memorable positive performances and moments, but his worst and most embarrassing performances and moments are also worse then any of Kobe's and more memorable as well.

TheMarkMadsen

02-17-2013, 06:55 PM

SilkkTheShocker

02-17-2013, 07:00 PM

He has great moments. But none of them are on the same level as some of the stuff Magic, Jordan, etc did. Where Kobe's Flu Game? Not literally saying he needed to be sick. But he doesn't have one of those defining moments.

sbw19

02-17-2013, 07:09 PM

Signature clutch? He's hit many clutch shots that're for whatever reason not remembered or shown with regularity. Ironically biggest Finals moment he's remember for prolly was when he took over (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVEgPqaApyo) @ Indy in OT after Shaq fouled out at such a young age. Just filthy.

Signature moments? I'd say oop to Shaq, sucked the gravity (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfqmBTcF8ZE) dunk on KG and Rasho, and that shot vs Phoenix en route to another title.

guy

02-17-2013, 07:12 PM

based on what? your dislike of Kobe & love of other players?

The players that you root for go a long way in determining what is "memorable" to you and what isn't.

Based on what I hear is brought up more in the media and in discussions like this. Has nothing to do with my preference. People in this thread are bringing up games like Kobe's game 1 vs. the Magic. That was memorable? It was like a 30 point blowout vs. a team they were clearly better then.

Think about this. When the 00s were coming to an end, TNT were doing these best of the decades awards. One of the categories was playoff performances and they had a performance from Shaq, AI, Duncan, KG, Wade, and Lebron. No Kobe. So this isn't something I'm just pulling out of thin air. He really just doesn't have relatively that many memorable performances.

rmt

02-17-2013, 07:18 PM

That's an unfair comparison I mean how many legendary moments does Duncan have?

03 - 2 blocks short of a quadruple double in game 6, Finals
03 - broke NBA Finals block record for a single game (8) and for a series (32)
03 - WCF, game 6 vs Lakers - 37 pts / 16 rebs / 4 asst / 2 blks
04 - big shot falling down (guarded by Shaq) vs Lakers before Fisher's .4
05 - buzzer beater vs Denver
08 - clutch 3 vs Suns
12 - broke all-time playoff block record (not a word about it in the media).

Besides, you do know that the ball is not usually in Duncan's hands at the end of the game because he's a relatively poor free throw shooting. Usually Manu has the ball since he's the best free throw shooter - still TD's had his share of clutch, legendary moments for a big man.

LakersFan626

02-17-2013, 07:22 PM

I don't think anyone is going to be telling their kids about those. Nothing close to Reggie's 8 points in 8.9 seconds :bowdown:

Kobe's entire series against Phoenix in 2010 (you can add the Jazz series to this list too, heck, even his entire 2010 playoff run... epic), or his game 1 against Orlando (40% of the Lakers points in that game!), or his series against the Spurs in 2001?

Terrible troll thread.

TheMarkMadsen

02-17-2013, 07:24 PM

Based on what I hear is brought up more in the media and in discussions like this. Has nothing to do with my preference. People in this thread are bringing up games like Kobe's game 1 vs. the Magic. That was memorable? It was like a 30 point blowout vs. a team they were clearly better then.

Think about this. When the 00s were coming to an end,TNT were doing these best of the decades awards. One of the categories was playoff performances and they had a performance from Shaq, AI, Duncan, KG, Wade, and Lebron. No Kobe. So this isn't something I'm just pulling out of thin air. He really just doesn't have relatively that many memorable performances.

see, that's where your dead wrong. You even admitted yourself that Kobe's had great playoff games/series throughout his career.

Does 48/16 in a close out game in the WCF not count as a memorable performance?

Does averaging 34 7 & 8 on 52% shooting in the WCF on the not count as a memorable performance? :confusedshrug:

There's a difference between a memorable MOMENT, and a memorable performance, it's ridiculous to look at Kobe's body of work in the playoffs throughout his career and say that he doesn't have any memorable performances

you count 2012 Lebron's championship run as a "memorable performance" yet sit hear and say that during Kobe's b2b championship run he didn't have ONE memorable performance.. 2010 WCF..go watch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgwdlK06Evw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XbsZgzEn4M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR3kpKk0mfA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACZnF87Iy84

if you honestly don't watch those videos and don't count them as a "memorable playoff performance" then your hate is blinding your judgement

Cherry Picker

02-17-2013, 07:24 PM

His Moses Malone like statpadding on the boards in game 7 2010 was legendary

KingMichael23

02-17-2013, 07:25 PM

NO ONE REMEMBERS THAT SHIT.
I remember that quite clearly.

KingLeBronJames

02-17-2013, 07:26 PM

Kobe destroying the Spurs in '01 '02, '04 and '08 comes to mind.

SilkkTheShocker

02-17-2013, 07:26 PM

His Moses Malone like statpadding on the boards in game 7 2010 was legendary

Most of those were probably his own misses

Segatti

02-17-2013, 07:30 PM

Game winner against the Suns in 06 is quite memorable

Deuce Bigalow

02-17-2013, 07:40 PM

His Moses Malone like statpadding on the boards in game 7 2010 was legendary
:wtf:

tikay0

02-17-2013, 07:44 PM

Game winner against the Suns in 06 is quite memorable

NO. No it's not.

Sarcastic

02-17-2013, 07:45 PM

The double air ball game vs the Jazz.

gengiskhan

02-17-2013, 07:46 PM

Game winner against the Suns in 06 is quite memorable

memorable is very different from "LEGENDARY", "ICONIC", "SIGNATURE"

1991 MJ "CIRCUS SHOT" in the finals

"The Shot" 1989: Iconic, signature

the reality is Kobe, lebron, wade, shaq, duncan have lesser MEMORABLE moments like Miller, Stockton, Horry etc etc.

Non of them have "ICONIC, SIGNATURE" moments like MJ (too many to count), Magic (hook shot at Boston Gardens), Bird (series winning steal vs pistons )

Cherry Picker

02-17-2013, 07:47 PM

People only remember the Sun shots in 06 because they were used in comparison videos for NBA 2K7. Also his team lost the series.

Magic 32

02-17-2013, 07:51 PM

Most of those were probably his own misses

This thread sure backfired on you didn't it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh-NajrT03g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f42xjUtR39c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIT_SLL25GA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4FEFygK1ts

gengiskhan

02-17-2013, 07:52 PM

People only remember the Sun shots in 06 because they were used in comparison videos for NBA 2K7. Also his team lost the series.

Its not just this.

modern day kobe fans & LAL fans try too hard to make ICON out of Kobe which he is not.

Infact, none of kobe shytte in playoffs is really memorable enough. Its like what charles did. It was great stuff but its like who cares.

Kobe is a great player. He is just not in the league of MJ, Magic, Bird

& that is a fact!.come to think of it, neither is LBJ despite that memorable 48 pts playoff game 5 at the palace against Pistons that put CAVS into NBA Finals.

Its great stuff BUT not SIGNATURE ICONIC.

Heavincent

02-17-2013, 07:54 PM

Every time somebody brings one up all the haters just go " oh nope doesn't count"

Exactly :oldlol:

Magic 32

02-17-2013, 07:55 PM

Its not just this.

modern day kobe fans & LAL fans try too hard to make ICON out of Kobe which he is not.

Infact, none of kobe shytte in playoffs is really memorable enough. Its like what charles did. It was great stuff but its like who cares.

Kobe is a great player. He is just not in the league of MJ, Magic, Bird

& that is a fact!.come to think of it, neither is LBJ despite that memorable 48 pts playoff game 5 at the palace against Pistons that put CAVS into NBA Finals.

Its great stuff BUT not SIGNATURE ICONIC.

How is scoring 28 points in the finals (8 points in OT) at the age of 21 with a bum ankle not a signature moment?

catquickspider

02-17-2013, 07:58 PM

nobody will remember lebron's game from last year 10 years from now

even his game 5 against the pistons in 2007 has been long forgotten now

I remember the hyperbole back then being similar to last year's game. "BEST PERFORMANCE OF ALL TIME" and all that BS.

Heavincent

02-17-2013, 07:59 PM

People in this thread are bringing up games like Kobe's game 1 vs. the Magic. That was memorable? It was like a 30 point blowout vs. a team they were clearly better then.

Okay then, I guess Lebron's game 6 performance against the Celtics wasn't memorable. You know, because it was a blowout and the Heat were clearly better than the Celtics.

But seriously, why do you think it was a blowout? Because Kobe raped them for 3 quarters and didn't even have to play in the 4th. That's kind of the point of superstars going off. To bury teams quickly.

NumberSix

02-17-2013, 08:00 PM

Is 6/24 his signature moment?

Not even trolling. Is this seriously his most memorable playoffs moment?

gengiskhan

02-17-2013, 08:00 PM

How is scoring 28 points in the finals (8 points in OT) at the age of 21 with a bum ankle not a signature moment?

NO!

You not getting the point.

AI poured in 48 pts in Game 1 in the 2001 NBA Finals against DOMINANT Shaq & Kobe

MJ scored a 38 pts with a WHOLE BUM "flu" BODY on the road against JAZZ in a must win Game 5.

MJ's is lot more memorable btw.

many here are confusing having a very good or great game to an ICONIC SIGNATURE playoff moment that is remembered forever.

Heavincent

02-17-2013, 08:03 PM

Not even trolling.

:roll:

NoGunzJustSkillz

02-17-2013, 08:03 PM

GTFOH, no one remembers that shit. Those aren't stand the test of time moments like the aforementioned list.
How old are you?

SilkkTheShocker

02-17-2013, 08:06 PM

Is 6/24 his signature moment?

Not even trolling. Is this seriously his most memorable playoffs moment?

:oldlol:

Deuce Bigalow

02-17-2013, 08:12 PM

Is 6/24 his signature moment?

Not even trolling. Is this seriously his most memorable playoffs moment?
I remember this more

"I got one more than Shaq"

http://jumpoff.tv/assets/images/made/assets/images/posts/kobe_shaq_326_202_s_c1_center_top.jpg

DMV2

02-17-2013, 08:30 PM

Is 6/24 his signature moment?

Not even trolling. Is this seriously his most memorable playoffs moment?
That pass to Artest for 3 was a memorable moment. Probably Top 3 along with the alleyoop pass to Shaq vs the Blazers.

Kinda funny because he's known to be a ball-hog, yet two of his greatest playoff moments were passes.

Vertical-24

02-17-2013, 08:39 PM

Is 6/24 his signature moment?

Not even trolling. Is this seriously his most memorable playoffs moment?

The "Lakers fan" strikes back!

TheMarkMadsen

02-17-2013, 09:01 PM

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/0615/nba_g_kobets4_576.jpg

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/0618/nba_g_kbryant_sy_576.jpg

http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/kobe-bryant-shrugs-061510-307_display_image.jpg

guy

02-17-2013, 09:11 PM

see, that's where your dead wrong. You even admitted yourself that Kobe's had great playoff games/series throughout his career.

Does 48/16 in a close out game in the WCF not count as a memorable performance?

Does averaging 34 7 & 8 on 52% shooting in the WCF on the not count as a memorable performance? :confusedshrug:

There's a difference between a memorable MOMENT, and a memorable performance, it's ridiculous to look at Kobe's body of work in the playoffs throughout his career and say that he doesn't have any memorable performances

you count 2012 Lebron's championship run as a "memorable performance" yet sit hear and say that during Kobe's b2b championship run he didn't have ONE memorable performance.. 2010 WCF..go watch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgwdlK06Evw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XbsZgzEn4M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR3kpKk0mfA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACZnF87Iy84

if you honestly don't watch those videos and don't count them as a "memorable playoff performance" then your hate is blinding your judgement

Wow, sensitive? I'm not saying he doesn't have anything memorable at all, like in twenty years no one is going to even remember he existed. I'm saying relatively speaking, the media doesn't really talk about any specific playoff performances from him that much i.e. they don't seem to be as memorable to the general public. As I said, this isn't me pulling this out of thin air as evident to the TNT list I referred to. What I'm saying is absolutely true, not an opinion. Thats not saying his games weren't as good as others just cause they weren't as memorable. But lets be serious, you rarely ever hear people in the media referring to any specific game or moment from Kobe's playoff career. Thats a fact.

guy

02-17-2013, 09:15 PM

Okay then, I guess Lebron's game 6 performance against the Celtics wasn't memorable. You know, because it was a blowout and the Heat were clearly better than the Celtics.

But seriously, why do you think it was a blowout? Because Kobe raped them for 3 quarters and didn't even have to play in the 4th. That's kind of the point of superstars going off. To bury teams quickly.

Different situation cause the Heat's back were against the walls and were basically written off at that point, and they were against a better team, facing elimination, and on the road.

Wow, I guess you're sensitive too. I'm not judging how great the performance was. But you rarely ever hear anyone talking about it cause its not that memorable. People are not going to be talking about that game, and probably not any of his games, in 5, 10, 20 years like they do for some of the Magic, Jordan, or Lebron games I've mentioned.

TheMarkMadsen

02-17-2013, 09:19 PM

DMV2

02-17-2013, 09:23 PM

Kobe's OT game-winner vs Suns and fist pump celebration was probably his biggest iconic moment behind that alley-oop to Shaq.

Even though he lost that series, it was still an iconic moment in recent years.

LeBron's biggest iconic moment was in a series loss too. The 3 against Orlando in '09.

Heavincent

02-17-2013, 09:26 PM

ok.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUdx3lEUhy8

:roll:

Top 10 NBA plays of the decade by ESPN. #1 & #2 plays are of Kobe from the playoffs

Game, set, match :lol

I don't really understand what people are trying to say here. OP says Kobe has no memorable playoff moments, people list a bunch of memorable playoff moments and games, and then Kobe detractors just say "that's not memorable". Well obviously it was memorable if a bunch of people just remembered it :lol OP might have a point if the thread got no replies or if everyone just said "Well shit, I can't remember anything Kobe did in the playoffs".

DMV2

02-17-2013, 09:26 PM

ok.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUdx3lEUhy8

:roll:

Top 10 NBA plays of the decade by ESPN. #1 & #2 plays are of Kobe from the playoffs
Wow. Fisher's 0.4 shot should be #1. Can't believe it wasnt even on the list. :facepalm

SilkkTheShocker

02-17-2013, 09:26 PM

TheMarkMadsen

02-17-2013, 09:34 PM

Wow, sensitive? I'm not saying he doesn't have anything memorable at all, like in twenty years no one is going to even remember he existed. I'm saying relatively speaking, the media doesn't really talk about any specific playoff performances from him that much i.e. they don't seem to be as memorable to the general public. As I said, this isn't me pulling this out of thin air as evident to the TNT list I referred to. What I'm saying is absolutely true, not an opinion. Thats not saying his games weren't as good as others just cause they weren't as memorable. But lets be serious, you rarely ever hear people in the media referring to any specific game or moment from Kobe's playoff career. Thats a fact.

I noticed how you forgot to mention that while TNT was doing this "all decade voting" that they voted Kobe's buzzer beater against Phoenix as one of the best PLAYOFF buzzer beaters in the decade

TNT best PLAYOFF Buzzer Beaters of the Decade
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y42RE-sfx4

and let's not forget that you said this

But lets be serious, you rarely ever hear people in the media referring to any specific game or moment from Kobe's playoff career. Thats a fact.

ESPN's Top 10 NBA Plays of the Decade
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUdx3lEUhy8

Top 10 NBA plays of the decade by ESPN. #1 & #2 plays are of Kobe from the playoffs

Anaximandro1

02-17-2013, 09:40 PM

Can you give me a list of Duncan's?

7 straight games during the 03 WCSF and 03 WCF

G4 03 WCSF 36/9/5

G5 03 WCSF 27/14/5

G6 03 WCSF 37/16/4/2

G1 03 WCF 40/15/7/1

G2 03 WCF 32/15/5/3

G3 03 WCF 34/24/6/6

G4 03 WCF 21/20/7/4

G1 03 Finals 32/20/6/7

G2 03 Finals 21/16/7/3

G5 03 Finals 29/17/4/4

G6 03 Finals 21/20/10/8

It's a level of dominance that only a few players have ever reached.Kobe is not one of them.

Deuce Bigalow

02-17-2013, 09:52 PM

7 straight games during the 03 WCSF and 03 WCF

G4 03 WCSF 36/9/5

G5 03 WCSF 27/14/5

G6 03 WCSF 37/16/4/2

G1 03 WCF 40/15/7/1

G2 03 WCF 32/15/5/3

G3 03 WCF 34/24/6/6

G4 03 WCF 21/20/7/4

G1 03 Finals 32/20/6/7

G2 03 Finals 21/16/7/3

G5 03 Finals 29/17/4/4

G6 03 Finals 21/20/10/8

It's a level of dominance that only a few players have ever reached.Kobe is not one of them.
Moments dude, not games.

Kobe hasn't reached the level? Really?

2001 Playoffs: 29.4 ppg, 7.3 rpg, 6.1 apg
2008 Playoffs: 30.1 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 5.6 apg
2009 Playoffs: 30.2 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 5.5 apg
2010 Playoffs: 29.2 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 5.5 app

Best Playoff series

2001 2nd Round Playoffs Kobe Bryant vs Sacramento Kings

35.0 ppg 9.0 rpg 4.3 apg 47%fg 20%3P 86%FT

2001 3rd Round Playoffs Kobe Bryant vs San Antonio Spurs

33.3 ppg 7.0 rpg 7.0 apg 51%fg 36%3P 77%FT

2003 1st Round Playoffs Kobe Bryant vs Minnesota Timberwolves

31.8 ppg 5.2 rpg 6.7 apg 43%fg 36%3P 87%FT

2008 1st Round Playoffs Kobe Bryant vs Denver Nuggets

33.5 ppg 5.3 rpg 6.3 apg 50%fg 33%3P 74%FT

2008 2nd Round Playoffs Kobe Bryant vs Utah Jazz

33.2 ppg 7.0 rpg 7.2 apg 49%fg 21%3P 83%FT

2008 3rd Round Playoffs Kobe Bryant vs San Antonio Spurs

29.2 ppg 5.6 rpg 3.8 apg 53%fg 33%3P 91%FT

2009 3rd Round Playoffs Kobe Bryant vs Denver Nuggets

34.0 ppg 5.8 rpg 5.8 apg 48%fg 34%3P 93%FT

2009 NBA Finals Kobe Bryant vs Orlando Magic

32.4 ppg 5.6 rpg 7.4 apg 43%fg 36%3P 84%FT

2010 2nd Round Playoffs Kobe Bryant vs Utah Jazz

32.0 ppg 3.8 rpg 5.8 apg 52%fg 25%3P 87%FT

2010 3rd Round Playoffs Kobe Bryant vs Phoenix Suns

33.7ppg 7.2 rpg 8.3 apg 52%fg 43%3P 88%FT

Never reached that level of dominance huh?

Solid Snake

02-17-2013, 10:11 PM

To give a non-jokey answer, it's because he forces too much, simple as that.

DatAsh

02-17-2013, 10:25 PM

Every time somebody brings one up all the haters just go " oh nope doesn't count"

You know why you these "don't stick in your mind"? It's because you all hate Kobe so you just choose not to remember or weren't watching when he was having success and winning championships

Pretty much.

Bandito

02-18-2013, 12:52 AM

NO ONE REMEMBERS THAT SHIT.
He does remember so your statement is incorrect.:coleman:

tikay0

02-18-2013, 12:54 AM

He does remember so your statement is incorrect.:coleman:

No one that matters.

Heavincent

02-18-2013, 12:54 AM

Kobe blocks Lebron's shot in the all star game and ISH crashes :oldlol:

So it's pretty safe to say anything Kobe does is memorable. He's the most iconic and successful athlete of his generation.

KOBE143

02-18-2013, 12:55 AM

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2183379/kobereturns_medium.gif

tikay0

02-18-2013, 12:55 AM

Ok, I'll give Kobe his iconic moment.

Edit: You beat me to it!

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2183379/kobereturns_medium.gif

gengiskhan

02-18-2013, 12:56 AM

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2183379/kobereturns_medium.gif

Now DUMB PICK-UP GAMES are used to prop up Kobe to MJ, Magic, Bird status

This is a reason why I believe KOBE will never ever be ICONIC.

shadow

02-18-2013, 01:04 AM

This is such an arbitrary question. All those plays pointed out are mostly significant because of the narrative created around them post-game, and often after the player had retired. When Kobe retires you'll see more of these signature moments pop up as people reminisce a great career. There are plenty of moments in there, they just need time and rose colored glasses to be highlighted.

guy

02-18-2013, 01:54 PM

I noticed how you forgot to mention that while TNT was doing this "all decade voting" that they voted Kobe's buzzer beater against Phoenix as one of the best PLAYOFF buzzer beaters in the decade

TNT best PLAYOFF Buzzer Beaters of the Decade
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y42RE-sfx4

and let's not forget that you said this

ESPN's Top 10 NBA Plays of the Decade
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUdx3lEUhy8

Top 10 NBA plays of the decade by ESPN. #1 & #2 plays are of Kobe from the playoffs

I forgot about the alley-oop to Shaq cause I've always thought of that more as a Shaq moment. But we should count that. And even if that buzzer beater was considered the "best" playoff moment of the decade in that list, it definitely wasn't the most memorable. I hear AI's shot over Tyronne Lue, Horry's buzzer beater, and Fisher's buzzer beater brought up way more, and thats just singular plays, not overall performances. And I never said Kobe hasn't done anything memorable at all, so you haven't exactly disproved my point.

Cool, he was in the buzzer beater category. As I said, I didn't say he didn't have anything memorable at all. But he wasn't in the performance category. The fact that someone of his stature wasn't in that category is very surprising and still supports my point. Seriously, could you imagine the same list in the 80s not including a performance from Magic, Bird, and Jordan, the same list in the 90s not including one from Jordan, or the same list done at the end of this decade not including one from Lebron and Durant? Its odd.

Just singular moments, there's nothing Kobe has done that is as memorable as Magic's sky hook, Bird's steal, and countless Jordan moments. There's also nothing he's done as memorable as what even lesser superstars have done like Havlicek's steal, Reggie's 8 points in the 8 seconds, AI's shot and step over Lue, and maybe some others. Then, there's nothing as memorable as even some role players' moments like Paxson's 3 vs the Suns, Horry's buzzer beater vs. the Kings, Fisher's buzzer beat vs. the Spurs. Nothing he's done thats as talked about and replayed over and over again as those moments. He clearly doesn't have a top 10 memorable singular moment and he might not even have a top 15 singular moment. And thats not even talking about performances.

With just performances, no one remembers his performances and talk about them like they do for Magic's rookie Finals game 6, Isiah 25 4th quarter points vs. the Lakers, James Worthy's triple double game 7, Jordan's 63 vs. the Celtics, Jordan's 15-18 vs. the Lakers, Jordan's 56 vs. the Heat, Jordan's 35 first half points vs. the Blazers, Jordan's 54 vs. the Knicks, Jordan's 55 vs. the Suns, Barkley's 44/24 vs Sonics, Barkley's 56 vs. the Warriors, Reggie's 25 4th quarter points vs. the Knicks, Jordan's flu game, Jordan's last game vs. the Jazz, AI's 48 vs. the Lakers, Shaq's near quad double vs. the Sixers, Duncan's near quad double vs. the Nets, Lebron's game 5 vs. the Pistons, or Lebron's game 6 vs. the Celtics. He clearly doesn't have a top 10 memorable performances, and he might not have a top 15 memorable performance, and maybe not even a top 20 memorable performance. Put it like this, Kobe may have the most memorable regular season performance in history with his 81 points, maybe even more memorable then Wilt's 100 just cause no one saw that game and there's no footage of it. But there's nothing he's done in the playoffs thats even close to as memorable, while many of the above performances I mentioned are, specifically some of the Magic, Jordan, and Lebron performances.

My point still stands. I never said he had nothing memorable at all. Just nothing memorable to that degree. I'd say he had his best chance in those series' vs. the Celtics cause of the star power, the rivalry, and cause the two teams were more evenly matched (unlike basically every other Finals series the Lakers with Kobe won in), but nothing really stood out to that degree. Maybe that game 5 vs. the Celtics would've stood out more if they had won that game.

niko

02-18-2013, 02:44 PM

He actually has quite a few. OP doesn't watch basketball?

TheMarkMadsen

02-18-2013, 02:54 PM

I forgot about the alley-oop to Shaq cause I've always thought of that more as a Shaq moment. But we should count that. And even if that buzzer beater was considered the "best" playoff moment of the decade in that list, it definitely wasn't the most memorable. I hear AI's shot over Tyronne Lue, Horry's buzzer beater, and Fisher's buzzer beater brought up way more, and thats just singular plays, not overall performances. And I never said Kobe hasn't done anything memorable at all, so you haven't exactly disproved my point.

Cool, he was in the buzzer beater category. As I said, I didn't say he didn't have anything memorable at all. But he wasn't in the performance category. The fact that someone of his stature wasn't in that category is very surprising and still supports my point. Seriously, could you imagine the same list in the 80s not including a performance from Magic, Bird, and Jordan, the same list in the 90s not including one from Jordan, or the same list done at the end of this decade not including one from Lebron and Durant? Its odd.

Just singular moments, there's nothing Kobe has done that is as memorable as Magic's sky hook, Bird's steal, and countless Jordan moments. There's also nothing he's done as memorable as what even lesser superstars have done like Havlicek's steal, Reggie's 8 points in the 8 seconds, AI's shot and step over Lue, and maybe some others. Then, there's nothing as memorable as even some role players' moments like Paxson's 3 vs the Suns, Horry's buzzer beater vs. the Kings, Fisher's buzzer beat vs. the Spurs. Nothing he's done thats as talked about and replayed over and over again as those moments. He clearly doesn't have a top 10 memorable singular moment and he might not even have a top 15 singular moment. And thats not even talking about performances.

With just performances, no one remembers his performances and talk about them like they do for Magic's rookie Finals game 6, Isiah 25 4th quarter points vs. the Lakers, James Worthy's triple double game 7, Jordan's 63 vs. the Celtics, Jordan's 15-18 vs. the Lakers, Jordan's 56 vs. the Heat, Jordan's 35 first half points vs. the Blazers, Jordan's 54 vs. the Knicks, Jordan's 55 vs. the Suns, Barkley's 44/24 vs Sonics, Barkley's 56 vs. the Warriors, Reggie's 25 4th quarter points vs. the Knicks, Jordan's flu game, Jordan's last game vs. the Jazz, AI's 48 vs. the Lakers, Shaq's near quad double vs. the Sixers, Duncan's near quad double vs. the Nets, Lebron's game 5 vs. the Pistons, or Lebron's game 6 vs. the Celtics. He clearly doesn't have a top 10 memorable performances, and he might not have a top 15 memorable performance, and maybe not even a top 20 memorable performance. Put it like this, Kobe may have the most memorable regular season performance in history with his 81 points, maybe even more memorable then Wilt's 100 just cause no one saw that game and there's no footage of it. But there's nothing he's done in the playoffs thats even close to as memorable, while many of the above performances I mentioned are, specifically some of the Magic, Jordan, and Lebron performances.

My point still stands. I never said he had nothing memorable at all. Just nothing memorable to that degree. I'd say he had his best chance in those series' vs. the Celtics cause of the star power, the rivalry, and cause the two teams were more evenly matched (unlike basically every other Finals series the Lakers with Kobe won in), but nothing really stood out to that degree. Maybe that game 5 vs. the Celtics would've stood out more if they had won that game.

sometimes you just need to give up and admit when you're wrong.

because you're so far in denial that you come off as delusional.

But lets be serious, you rarely ever hear people in the media referring to any specific game or moment from Kobe's playoff career. Thats a fact.

I then showed you a list of ESPN's top 10 PLAYS OF THE DECADE, where Kobe held the #1 & #2 spot, but plays occurring in the playoffs..

You said that you rarely hear people in the media refer to anything specific from Kobe's playoff career. Well apparently Kobe has the top 2 PLAYOFF plays of the decade, is that not specific enough for you?

You clearly stated that Kobe had NO playoff MOMENTS OR PERFORMANCES that were ever brought up by the media..

I posted 2 different video from the 2 biggest NBA media conglomerates around, ESPN & TNT, ESPN had 2 of Kobe's MOMENTS from the playoffs as their #1 & #2 PLAYS of the decade, that includes regular season & playoffs.

You were wrong & were just pulling it out of your ass because of your hate for Kobe.

The OP wasn't asking how do Kobe's playoff moments stack up against MJ & Magic, the OP was asking why Kobe had no memorable playoff performances, which he was quickly proven wrong.

If you wanna debate Kobe playoffs vs MJ & Magic's performances thats cool, but that isn't what we were discussing

give it up

KeyNote

02-18-2013, 03:04 PM

OP trolled and got 9 pages out of it..mission accomplished

when Kobe retires you'll see all of his top playoff moments on sportscenter, and a lot will be left off because he has quite a few of them

Shepseskaf

02-18-2013, 04:19 PM

It may be impossible, but to put some objectivity into this debate, its clear that Kobe's claim to fame will be his sustained excellence over an incredible number of years -- not in his signature moments where he performed best when the stakes were highest.

Rahm Emanuel

02-18-2013, 04:46 PM

Jordans first memorable playoff performance = 63 points (G.O.A.T)
Kobes first memorable playoff performance = multiple forced air balls (goat)

guy

02-18-2013, 04:50 PM

sometimes you just need to give up and admit when you're wrong.

because you're so far in denial that you come off as delusional.

I then showed you a list of ESPN's top 10 PLAYS OF THE DECADE, where Kobe held the #1 & #2 spot, but plays occurring in the playoffs..

You said that you rarely hear people in the media refer to anything specific from Kobe's playoff career. Well apparently Kobe has the top 2 PLAYOFF plays of the decade, is that not specific enough for you?

You clearly stated that Kobe had NO playoff MOMENTS OR PERFORMANCES that were ever brought up by the media..

I posted 2 different video from the 2 biggest NBA media conglomerates around, ESPN & TNT, ESPN had 2 of Kobe's MOMENTS from the playoffs as their #1 & #2 PLAYS of the decade, that includes regular season & playoffs.

You were wrong & were just pulling it out of your ass because of your hate for Kobe.

The OP wasn't asking how do Kobe's playoff moments stack up against MJ & Magic, the OP was asking why Kobe had no memorable playoff performances, which he was quickly proven wrong.

If you wanna debate Kobe playoffs vs MJ & Magic's performances thats cool, but that isn't what we were discussing

give it up

No I never said that actually. I've never said he had NO MOMENTS that were ever brought up by the media and I never said he had nothing memorable at ALL. I said rarely do they bring them up, especially relative to other moments and performances. One or even more countdowns of plays, which sportscenter does all the time, doesn't disprove what I've said. There's obviously different degrees of how memorable something is. Some are more memorable then others. And as I said, Kobe arguably might not have a top 15-20 memorable moment or memorable performance in playoff history. That doesn't mean he doesn't have anything memorable, but that does allude to what the OP said that he doesn't have any moments that are THAT memorable.

This isn't about any hate for the guy. I even said he probably has the most memorable regular season performance ever, and that other players have had more memorable playoff moments that Kobe was still better then. Stop being so damn sensitive. This thread is nowhere near the first time someone said he hasn't that many memorable moments or playoff performances. So the fact that this has been said plenty of times goes to show that there's some truth to it, because people seem to forget more about his moments and performances. And the fact that people brought up game 1 vs. the Magic goes to show how much people have to reach by bringing up a performance that no one ever brings up.

KingLeBronJames

02-18-2013, 04:51 PM

Jordans first memorable playoff performance = 63 points (G.O.A.T)
Kobes first memorable playoff performance = multiple forced air balls (goat)
And it turned that rookie Kobe into one of the greats. He failed and came back stronger.

TheMarkMadsen

02-18-2013, 05:57 PM

No I never said that actually. I've never said he had NO MOMENTS that were ever brought up by the media and I never said he had nothing memorable at ALL. I said rarely do they bring them up, especially relative to other moments and performances. One or even more countdowns of plays, which sportscenter does all the time, doesn't disprove what I've said. There's obviously different degrees of how memorable something is. Some are more memorable then others. And as I said, Kobe arguably might not have a top 15-20 memorable moment or memorable performance in playoff history. That doesn't mean he doesn't have anything memorable, but that does allude to what the OP said that he doesn't have any moments that are THAT memorable.

This isn't about any hate for the guy. I even said he probably has the most memorable regular season performance ever, and that other players have had more memorable playoff moments that Kobe was still better then. Stop being so damn sensitive. This thread is nowhere near the first time someone said he hasn't that many memorable moments or playoff performances. So the fact that this has been said plenty of times goes to show that there's some truth to it, because people seem to forget more about his moments and performances. And the fact that people brought up game 1 vs. the Magic goes to show how much people have to reach by bringing up a performance that no one ever brings up.

I said rarely do they bring them up, especially relative to other moments and performances. One or even more countdowns of plays, doesn't disprove what I've said.

So multiple list from ESPN & TNT where they rank a Kobe Playoff moment as the #1 & #2 "Plays of the Decade" doesn't disprove your opinion that the media rarely brings up Kobe playoff performances relative to other players? :lol

One or even more countdowns of plays, which sportscenter does all the time

How many times do they do a count down of the top plays from the decade? 1 time every 10 years..

There's obviously different degrees of how memorable something is. Some are more memorable then others.

Yes, that different degree of how memorable something is has to with whether or not you like that player and or were watching that game/series. Apparently, these moments were memorable to ESPN & TNT as they took the top spots on each list

And as I said, Kobe arguably might not have a top 15-20 memorable moment or memorable performance in playoff history.

So according to you Kobe might not have a top 15-20 playoff moment, but according to the media, has the #1 & #2 playoff moments of the past decade. And remember, the media is what you originally cited as "not bringing up" any of Kobe's playoff moments/ perfomances

That doesn't mean he doesn't have anything memorable, but that does allude to what the OP said that he doesn't have any moments that are THAT memorable.

So Kobe has memorable playoff perfomances, but nothing "THAT" meomorable? :lol Well i guess they were THAT memorable seeing as 2 of Kobe's playoff moments were voted as the top "NBA PLAYS OF THE DECADE" apparently a few people over at ESPN & TNT remember these moments..

This thread is nowhere near the first time someone said he hasn't that many memorable moments or playoff performances. So the fact that this has been said plenty of times goes to show that there's some truth to it

So because people on a message board troll about this topic it means that it "must have some truth to it" :lol

Here's some threads where people say Kobe> MJ..

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=264858

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=233594

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=176340

must be some truth to it right..? :roll:

And the fact that people brought up game 1 vs. the Magic goes to show how much people have to reach by bringing up a performance that no one ever brings up

So because one or two people brought up a game that wasn't as good as other Kobe playoff moments "people are reaching"? :lol What about the MAJORITY of people who consistently bringing up the shot against Phoenix, or the Oop to Shaq, or the dominating WCF in 01 with 2 b2b 40 pt games? Are you just going to ignore that?

guy

02-18-2013, 06:54 PM

So multiple list from ESPN & TNT where they rank a Kobe Playoff moment as the #1 & #2 "Plays of the Decade" doesn't disprove your opinion that the media rarely brings up Kobe playoff performances relative to other players? :lol

How many times do they do a count down of the top plays from the decade? 1 time every 10 years..

Yes, that different degree of how memorable something is has to with whether or not you like that player and or were watching that game/series. Apparently, these moments were memorable to ESPN & TNT as they took the top spots on each list

So according to you Kobe might not have a top 15-20 playoff moment, but according to the media, has the #1 & #2 playoff moments of the past decade. And remember, the media is what you originally cited as "not bringing up" any of Kobe's playoff moments/ perfomances

So Kobe has memorable playoff perfomances, but nothing "THAT" meomorable? :lol Well i guess they were THAT memorable seeing as 2 of Kobe's playoff moments were voted as the top "NBA PLAYS OF THE DECADE" apparently a few people over at ESPN & TNT remember these moments..

So because people on a message board troll about this topic it means that it "must have some truth to it" :lol

Here's some threads where people say Kobe> MJ..

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=264858

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=233594

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=176340

must be some truth to it right..? :roll:

So because one or two people brought up a game that wasn't as good as other Kobe playoff moments "people are reaching"? :lol What about the MAJORITY of people who consistently bringing up the shot against Phoenix, or the Oop to Shaq, or the dominating WCF in 01 with 2 b2b 40 pt games? Are you just going to ignore that?

I've brought up countless examples of moments and performances that I would consider the general public feels is more memorable, which is why I say he doesn't have a top 10, arguably top 15-20 memorable playoff moment or top 10, arguably 15-20 memorable playoff performance . Wouldn't it be much easier for you to just go through those examples and actually cross off those that you think are inarguably less memorable then any of Kobe's? Are you not doing that because you can't? And actually let me reasses, the Shaq oop is arguably top 10 most memorable, but as I said, I consider that more Shaq's moment and in any case, its more of a moment split between the 2. Give me something else at least unless you think thats it.

The Kobe vs Jordan comparison is based on how good they are, not how memorable and talked about they are. So its not the same comparison. As far as how memorable players are, Jordan will most likely clearly be 1st, with Lebron, Kobe, and Magic in no order right under. Kobe will definitely go down as more memorable and revered in history then players like Bird, Kareem, Shaq, and Duncan, but that doesn't mean he's better. And the difference between how remembered Kobe and Jordan are probably won't be as big as the difference between how great they actually were.

The b2b 40 point playoff games in the 2001 playoffs were amazing and arguably better then some of the performances I've mentioned as more memorable. But I honestly don't think I've ever heard anyone in the media at least not in the last 5-7 years bring it up to reflect on Kobe's career, like they have when bringing up some of the performances I mentioned for Jordan, Magic, and Lebron.

TheMarkMadsen

02-18-2013, 07:36 PM

I've brought up countless examples of moments and performances that I would consider the general public feels is more memorable, which is why I say he doesn't have a top 10, arguably top 15-20 memorable playoff moment or top 10, arguably 15-20 memorable playoff performance . Wouldn't it be much easier for you to just go through those examples and actually cross off those that you think are inarguably less memorable then any of Kobe's? Are you not doing that because you can't?

The Kobe vs Jordan comparison is based on how good they are, not how memorable and talked about they are. So its not the same comparison. As far as how memorable players are, Jordan will most likely clearly be 1st, with Lebron, Kobe, and Magic in no order right under. Kobe will definitely go down as more memorable and revered in history then players like Bird, Kareem, Shaq, and Duncan, but that doesn't mean he's better. And the difference between how remembered Kobe and Jordan are probably won't be as big as the difference between how great they actually were.

The b2b 40 point playoff games in the 2001 playoffs were amazing and arguably better then some of the performances I've mentioned as more memorable. But I honestly don't think I've ever heard anyone in the media at least not in the last 5-7 years bring it up to reflect on Kobe's career, like they have when bringing up some of the performances I mentioned for Jordan, Magic, and Lebron.

I've brought up countless examples of moments and performances that I would consider the general public feels is more memorable

This isn't about what "guy feels the general public thinks is more memorable". The general public( aka not just a bunch of Kobe trolls) such as ESPN & TNT remember these moments, and consider them memorable.

Wouldn't it be much easier for you to just go through those examples and actually cross off those that you think are inarguably less memorable then any of Kobe's? Are you not doing that because you can't?

No, i'm not doing it because that isn't what the question in the thread was, It was why hasn't Kobe had any memorable playoff moments, Just because you've already lost the argument of Kobe "not having any memorable playoff moments" doesn't require you to turn it into a totally different topic.

Beside when judging playoff performances, especially between great players it can very subjective, for instance one of the top playoff moments this past decade IMO is Kobe's game 4 in the WCFS because of all the drama and issues that were going on at that time, also game 4 of the 2000 finals after coming back from an injured ankle and leading the Lakers to a victory after Shaq fouled out.

Both of those are pretty big playoff moments considering the context of the situation, don't agree that those were big moments here's your TNT all decade voting to back me up http://www.nba.com/alldecade/vote5/

The b2b 40 point playoff games in the 2001 playoffs were amazing and arguably better then some of the performances I've mentioned as more memorable. But I honestly don't think I've ever heard anyone in the media at least not in the last 5-7 years bring it up to reflect on Kobe's career

Well considering that you pull stuff from thin air and claim it as fact..

But lets be serious, you rarely ever hear people in the media referring to any specific game or moment from Kobe's playoff career. Thats a fact.

and then get proven wrong..

ESPN's Top 10 NBA Plays of the Decade
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUdx3lEUhy8

I'm lead to believe that you just don't listen to the media when they are giving Kobe his props.

onhcetum

02-19-2013, 12:03 AM

I'm not even a Lebron fan (from Washington DC, so you already know the short history between the Wizards and Cavs), but even I can see the clear hypocrisy that Kobe fans exhibit.

They're all going nuts over two block shots in an exhibition game for the fans, drooling all over Kobe. Yet, if it was Lebron that blocked Kobe twice, they'd be the first to say that "Oh, it was just an exhibition game. It doesn't mean anything". Even then, Lebron is 13-6 head to head against Kobe in regular games.

Then, there's "Oh Kobe is amazing, and he's playing at such a high level. Has anyone ever had a greater 16th season than Kobe?" and rubbing all of these age-related accolades in our faces, yet when we try to criticize him... "But, but, but... he's old and out of his prime". So which one is it guys?

When we (objective basketball fans) try to criticize him from 2004-2007, Kobe fans cry about how bad his team was (as if he's the first star in NBA history to have played for a bad team). The classic lines are "Oh, he had Kwame Brown, Luke Walton, and Smush Parker"... notice how they will conveniently leave out Bynum, Odom, and Caron Butler. What's worse is that they don't even acknowledge how bad Lebron's supporting cast was and give him any credit when he willed them to a finals appearance and back to back 60+ win seasons. What he did against Detroit in 2007 was one of the greatest performances of all of sports (not just basketball). One guy can only do so much.

There's literally nothing Kobe does better than Lebron, NOTHING. Even when Kobe was putting up those crazy scoring numbers, his team was a joke. If you're that great of a player (no matter how bad your team is), you cannot be the league's punching bag. His teams got bounced in the first round twice and missed the playoffs once. I don't see Kobe leading the Nets to back to back finals, and I don't see him leading the Cavs to the finals. Kobe is a great player, but he's no where near the game-changing dynamic player that Lebron (and dare I say prime Jason Kidd) is/are.

It's sort of like the Durant vs. Bird argument (I know that Bird has 3 rings and 3 MVP's), but if you take away scoring, you'd still have a 80% Bird that's crazy effective and can impact the game in other ways. Durant... not so much...

Kobe's "claim to fame" so to speak is his scoring. You guys salivate all over his string of consecutive 50 and 60 point games. But once again, were the Lakers even relevant? They missed the playoffs once and got bounced twice in the first round. Yeah, he's putting up all of these points, but then what? For a player that some people consider as high as top 5 of all-time, there is no excuse for the Lakers to not be competitive back in 2004-2007. I don't care how bad his teammates are, considering that Kobe was at his absolute peak in terms of skill and athleticism. He's top 5 all-time right? I don't know the exact statistic, but since Lebron has entered the league, he's scored more than 80+ more points than Kobe while taking like 520+ less shots.

Then, they come along and get a perennial All-Star, franchise player in Pau Gasol for Kwame Brown (and we all know what happens after that). Where would they be today if the Lakers don't get Gasol? Keep in mind that the 2008-2010 championship/finals teams weren't all that different from the 2004-2007 teams with the exception of Pau Gasol. It was Gasol that put them over the top.

Mr. Jabbar

02-19-2013, 12:07 AM

I'm not even a Lebron fan

stopped reading after that lie

the only question that remains is: whos alt is this? pauk?

STATUTORY

02-19-2013, 12:09 AM

do u want us to have objectivity or show objectivity?

nuanced difference.

Definitely worthy of starting two threads

NumberSix

02-19-2013, 12:11 AM

I'm not even a Lebron fan (from Washington DC, so you already know the short history between the Wizards and Cavs), but even I can see the clear hypocrisy that Kobe fans exhibit.

They're all going nuts over two block shots in an exhibition game for the fans, drooling all over Kobe. Yet, if it was Lebron that blocked Kobe twice, they'd be the first to say that "Oh, it was just an exhibition game. It doesn't mean anything". Even then, Lebron is 13-6 head to head against Kobe in regular games.

Then, there's "Oh Kobe is amazing, and he's playing at such a high level. Has anyone ever had a greater 16th season than Kobe?" and rubbing all of these age-related accolades in our faces, yet when we try to criticize him... "But, but, but... he's old and out of his prime". So which one is it guys?

When we (objective basketball fans) try to criticize him from 2004-2007, Kobe fans cry about how bad his team was (as if he's the first star in NBA history to have played for a bad team). The classic lines are "Oh, he had Kwame Brown, Luke Walton, and Smush Parker"... notice how they will conveniently leave out Bynum, Odom, and Caron Butler. What's worse is that they don't even acknowledge how bad Lebron's supporting cast was and give him any credit when he willed them to a finals appearance and back to back 60+ win seasons. What he did against Detroit in 2007 was one of the greatest performances of all of sports (not just basketball). One guy can only do so much.

There's literally nothing Kobe does better than Lebron, NOTHING. Even when Kobe was putting up those crazy scoring numbers, his team was a joke. If you're that great of a player (no matter how bad your team is), you cannot be the league's punching bag. His teams got bounced in the first round twice and missed the playoffs once. I don't see Kobe leading the Nets to back to back finals, and I don't see him leading the Cavs to the finals. Kobe is a great player, but he's no where near the game-changing dynamic player that Lebron (and dare I say prime Jason Kidd) is/are.

It's sort of like the Durant vs. Bird argument (I know that Bird has 3 rings and 3 MVP's), but if you take away scoring, you'd still have a 80% Bird that's crazy effective and can impact the game in other ways. Durant... not so much...

Kobe's "claim to fame" so to speak is his scoring. You guys salivate all over his string of consecutive 50 and 60 point games. But once again, were the Lakers even relevant? They missed the playoffs once and got bounced twice in the first round. Yeah, he's putting up all of these points, but then what? For a player that some people consider as high as top 5 of all-time, there is no excuse for the Lakers to not be competitive back in 2004-2007. I don't care how bad his teammates are, considering that Kobe was at his absolute peak in terms of skill and athleticism. He's top 5 all-time right? I don't know the exact statistic, but since Lebron has entered the league. He's scored more than 80+ more points than Kobe while taking like 70 less shots.

Then, they come along and get a perennial All-Star, franchise player in Pau Gasol for Kwame Brown (and we all know what happens after that). Where would they be today if the Lakers don't get Gasol? Keep in mind that the 2008-2010 championship/finals teams weren't all that different from the 2004-2007 teams with the exception of Pau Gasol. It was Gasol that put them over the top.
That's not actually hypocritical. It's not accurate to compare Kobe out of his prime to players just entering their prime. It also is incredible that Kobe is still playing at the level he is after 17 season. Both are true and don't contradict each other.

guy

02-19-2013, 12:22 AM

This isn't about what "guy feels the general public thinks is more memorable". The general public( aka not just a bunch of Kobe trolls) such as ESPN & TNT remember these moments, and consider them memorable.

No, i'm not doing it because that isn't what the question in the thread was, It was why hasn't Kobe had any memorable playoff moments, Just because you've already lost the argument of Kobe "not having any memorable playoff moments" doesn't require you to turn it into a totally different topic.

I didn't lose anything cause I never said he didn't have any memorable playoff moments. I said there's a significant number of moments and performances that are more memorable, especially significant given his stature. You can go back and reread my posts and see that I never said that or you can continue to exaggerate my position.

Now let me get this straight. You're not going to do what I suggested because it wasn't what you believe the OP implied, but you've been arguing with me this whole time despite the fact that according to you me saying he hasn't had AS memorable of moments/performances as others is a totally different topic then saying he doesn't have any memorable moments/performances at all? Then why the hell have you been arguing with me this whole time? Did you get your panties in a bunch? Or did you just realize that you actually can't argue against my claim that he hasn't had a top 10, arguably top 15-20 playoff moment or top 10, arguably top 15-20 playoff performance and instead of admitting that, decided deflect back to me by saying I'm off topic (like ISH never goes slightly off topic :oldlol: )? Shit, I even threw you a bone by saying the Shaq alley-oop is arguably top 10, I just asked if you can provide another (since that moment was shared, and was arguably more of a Shaq moment).

Beside when judging playoff performances, especially between great players it can very subjective, for instance one of the top playoff moments this past decade IMO is Kobe's game 4 in the WCFS because of all the drama and issues that were going on at that time, also game 4 of the 2000 finals after coming back from an injured ankle and leading the Lakers to a victory after Shaq fouled out.

Both of those are pretty big playoff moments considering the context of the situation, don't agree that those were big moments here's your TNT all decade voting to back me up http://www.nba.com/alldecade/vote5/

Well as I said, I never said he didn't have a memorable moment at all. And by the way, its funny that you pointed to TNT still having him in the top playoff buzzer beaters and top playoff dramas, as if that erased my point. It didn't. If he wasn't in any of those categories, it would've been completely pathetic. But the fact that TNT didn't even think that he had a top 6 playoff performance of the decade goes to show his performances aren't as memorable, which is very odd for someone thats considered the best player of that decade. For someone of his stature, it shouldn't be a surprise if he's in the categories you mentioned, but he should be in that category as well, which he wasn't.

Well considering that you pull stuff from thin air and claim it as fact..

and then get proven wrong..

ESPN's Top 10 NBA Plays of the Decade
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUdx3lEUhy8

I'm lead to believe that you just don't listen to the media when they are giving Kobe his props.

You didn't prove me wrong, cause I never said they aren't memorable at all. Its not like I said that buzzer beater was erased from history and you can't find it ever replayed. Maybe I shouldn't have said the word "rarely", but I meant that its rarely mentioned in comparison to many other moments and performances like the ones that I've mentioned.

I actually listen to the media alot and they are constantly giving Kobe props. Its hard not to hear the media give him props. I listen to ESPN radio and podcasts basically all day at work, watch alot of Sportscenter, PTI, and NBATV, catch almost every episode of INSIDE the NBA and I even listen to some ESPN LA radio to listen to Max and Marcellus, who's main subject are the Lakers. And I've never heard Ernie Johnson, Charles Barkley, Kenny Smith, Shaquille O'Neal, Chris Webber, Colin Cowherd, Stephen A. Smith, Skip Bayless, Ryan Russello, Scott Van Pelt, Jalen Rose, Tim Legler, Kurt Rambis, Bill Simmons, Michael Wilbon, Bruce Bowen, or even Max and Marcellus bring up those b2b 40 point 2001 playoff games. Maybe I'm wrong, and if you can point that out, please go ahead, but I've never heard them mentioned. I've heard them mention the 81 point game countless times, but not those playoff performances and I'm not sure if I've heard them mention any of his playoff performances in general aside from right after they happened. That's not hate, in fact I don't like Lebron either, but I can't say the same thing about some of his playoff performances.

NumberSix

02-19-2013, 12:25 AM

Kobe's most memorable playoffs moment will be not making them this season.

gengiskhan

02-19-2013, 12:29 AM

He actually has quite a few. OP doesn't watch basketball?

some still dont get it!

Great playoff games by Kobe..YES

good performances by Kobe..YES

SIGNATURE PLAYOFF moments..N.O.N.E!

Example of Signature PO moments:

1. 1989 POs vs Pistons: MJ steals the ball & does a 360 reverse Layup.

2. 1991 NBA Finals CIRCUS SHOT

Kobe had great games but "SIGNATURE PO MOMENTS"...NONE.

Deuce Bigalow

02-19-2013, 12:39 AM

Bandito

02-19-2013, 12:52 AM

Holy crap are you pauk alt account? What is it with the long essays. Do kids nowadays have nothing to do? When I was a kid I was always hanging out trying to get laid or play sports or get my ass kicked (I have a short temper and a big mouth).

Mr. Jabbar

02-19-2013, 01:10 AM

The whole kobe/lebron thing is more than he can clearly handle, 1500+ words about lions and the all star game is just a disguised S.O.S thread.

We can't get to his mom and tell her to cut off the fuse going to the basement, so it really comes down to us. Perhaps Jeff is the only one with the power to help him by performing an ip ban, I'm sure some time away from this board will heal his wounds in time.

D-Wade316

02-19-2013, 01:11 AM

Nothing.

Future rep, OP.

Wang Zhi Zhi

02-19-2013, 01:14 AM

exile kobetards

dbk123

02-19-2013, 01:16 AM

He will write a 10 page essay when lebron wins

coin24

02-19-2013, 01:17 AM

I think the poor guy really needs some help:oldlol:
It must have been his worst nightmare the second he saw Kobe block Lebron..

muppets

02-19-2013, 01:18 AM

Someone over-punctuated to appear smarter on the internets :rolleyes:

Bandito

02-19-2013, 01:18 AM

write him a letter of support for his mental well being.

LeFraud James

02-19-2013, 01:20 AM

I think the poor guy really needs some help:oldlol:

This.

Even some time off the computer would do wonders for him.

ihoopallday

02-19-2013, 01:20 AM

Quick question. Are you actually being serious in the posts you write on this forum?

Wang Zhi Zhi

02-19-2013, 01:21 AM

OP if you are truly dedicated to the cause you should leave ISH forever

NumberSix

02-19-2013, 01:24 AM

"It can't be Kevin. He's the nicest guy in the NBA".......

GOAT commercial.

coin24

02-19-2013, 01:25 AM

OP if you are truly dedicated to the cause you should leave ISH forever

Ok pauk with your 10 different accounts..
Point proven. Why would any sane person have so many accounts here?:confusedshrug:

CP3MVP

02-19-2013, 01:32 AM

Raise money for a lobotomy?

Mr. Jabbar

02-19-2013, 01:32 AM

OP if you are truly dedicated to the cause you should leave ISH forever

Trust me if that would help I'd do it. But life would go on, kobe would still continue to block and deny lebron in the years to come and the outcome could be fatal. We need well thought measures that will work in the long run.

TylerOO

02-19-2013, 01:33 AM

:roll: :roll:

He compared the block to lions. That shit is too funny

daily

02-19-2013, 01:34 AM

Raise money for a lobotomy?They're cheap. You can get the over the counter kit, comes with a X marks the spot tempoary tattoo, butter knife and small rubber mallet

Mr. Jabbar

02-19-2013, 01:36 AM

:roll: :roll:

He compared the block to lions. That shit is too funny

kobe was like an agonizing lion that blocked a shot with his last breath or some shit like that, its like he was on drugs watching discovery channel and the all star game at the same time and decided it was a good time for an essay

TylerOO

02-19-2013, 01:38 AM

kobe was like an agonizing lion that blocked a shot with his last breath or some shit like that, its like he was on drugs watching discovery channel and the all star game at the same time and decided it was a good time for an essay

:lol That has to be the biggest meltdown in ISH history.

Im actually laughing at loud. This kid had to be on drugs.

Heavincent

02-19-2013, 01:41 AM

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs6/2469857_o.gif

Nope, not memorable at all.

ripthekik

02-19-2013, 01:42 AM

I'd pay good money to see his reactions the exact moment Kobe blocked LeBron :roll:

TylerOO

02-19-2013, 01:46 AM

I'd pay good money to see his reactions the exact moment Kobe blocked LeBron :roll:

http://courtsideconvo.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/wrestler_angry_gif.gif

CP3MVP

02-19-2013, 01:48 AM

I'd pay good money to see his reactions the exact moment Kobe blocked LeBron :roll:

http://i.imgur.com/QvKxOJf.jpg

Wang Zhi Zhi

02-19-2013, 01:48 AM

Ok pauk with your 10 different accounts..
Point proven. Why would any sane person have so many accounts here?:confusedshrug:

3rd different person I've been accused of being a dupe :lol

:roll: :roll:

He compared the block to lions. That shit is too funny

Lmfaooo I'm dying

ripthekik

02-19-2013, 01:51 AM

http://courtsideconvo.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/wrestler_angry_gif.gif
:oldlol:
I was thinking
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs3/1767326_o.gif

Or hitler on YouTube:lol

Droid101

02-19-2013, 01:51 AM

Or hitler on YouTube:lol
If someone takes the time to make one of those for this... dear lord.

ripthekik

02-19-2013, 01:54 AM

If someone takes the time to make one of those for this... dear lord.
:roll: :roll:
Pauk/hitler finds out kobe blocked LeBron... twice and goes on his apeshit tantrum... would be the greatest video on ISH history:oldlol:

And all we have to do is paste his posts in the script

LebronairJAMES

02-19-2013, 01:59 AM

What are you faggets going to do when he retires?
And you do know if Kobe saw the shit you stans right about he would consider you a bunch of weirdo faggets who know nothing about basketball :durantunimpressed:

Deuce Bigalow

02-19-2013, 02:04 AM

http://www.abload.de/img/kv2uplugycpv.gif

Zedja

02-19-2013, 02:06 AM

Once Kobe is gone, we will all hop on the Irving bandwagon :pimp:

Big Cheese

02-19-2013, 02:06 AM

when he retires they most likely will just jump on the durant bandwagon. Most of them were already on it during the finals so it should be a smooth transition.

TylerOO

02-19-2013, 02:09 AM

This is actually an interesting question. I think about it sometimes, What will I do when LBJ retires? He got me into the NBA. And I don't root for a team besides his. It will be a sad day when he retires. I guess Ill root for the Knicks cuz they are local but it will not be close to the way I root for LBJ.

miller-time

02-19-2013, 02:10 AM

when he retires they most likely will just jump on the durant bandwagon. Most of them were already on it during the finals so it should be a smooth transition.

Or the Kyrie bandwagon. I have a feeling he'll stay loyal to the Cavs, and he isn't really a threat to Kobe's standing.

BMOGEFan

02-19-2013, 02:12 AM

TylerOO

02-19-2013, 02:13 AM

self-serving statement of a bandwagoner.

Ive never pretended to be a heat fan. IDC. Im not embarrassed, I will always rep LeBron.

Budadiiii

02-19-2013, 02:14 AM

Kobe stans will immediately start rooting for Westbrook. The only player who resembles his work ethic an passion. :applause:

Pretty soon Westbrook will eclipse LeBron with ring count. Since their stats are so similar, no one can argue it...

LebronairJAMES

02-19-2013, 02:15 AM

I am going to miss Kobe, Its seriously going to be weird with the NBA without Kobe Bryant. The last superstar from the old generation.

oh the horror

02-19-2013, 02:17 AM

The bigger question is wtf are some of the haters going to do when Kobe retires?

It's one thing to be a fan of a player. But to follow a player and his fans and you hate him? That's flat out crazy.

Budadiiii

02-19-2013, 02:17 AM

I'm lucky.... My favorite player is only 24 and plays hard every game while averaging astonishing 23/8/5 with elite defense and gets better every day....

He also leads his team to one of the top records every year and makes us a championship team....

I'm spoiled and I understand others are not as lucky as me

plowking

02-19-2013, 02:17 AM

Ive never pretended to be a heat fan. IDC. Im not embarrassed, I will always rep LeBron.

Than you don't have the right to complain about the players on the team he plays for like you do. :oldlol:

TylerOO

02-19-2013, 02:19 AM

Than you don't have the right to complain about the players on the team he plays for like you do. :oldlol:

Yes I do. If his teammate is playing like shit for a game, of course I can call them out.

RoundMoundOfReb

02-19-2013, 02:21 AM

ESPN's Top 10 NBA Plays of the Decade - http://youtu.be/tUdx3lEUhy8

#1 - Kobe game winner in Game 4 of the '06 WC 1st Rd

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs6/2469857_o.gif

#2 - Kobe alley oop to Shaq in Game 7 of the '00 WCF

http://i39.tinypic.com/vg78di.jpg

"NEXT"
The first one isn't a signature moment cause they didn't win the series. Do you consider Lebron's shot vs Orlando an epic/signature moment?

For me the signature moment for Kobe is the Alvin Gentry Tap. That was epic.

Mr. Jabbar

02-19-2013, 02:22 AM

:roll: :roll:
Pauk/hitler finds out kobe blocked LeBron... twice and goes on his apeshit tantrum... would be the greatest video on ISH history:oldlol:

And all we have to do is paste his posts in the script

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqMk5iW6hoA

Budadiiii

02-19-2013, 02:26 AM

Jeff needs to ban him for his own good....He is clearly mentally unstable, maybe he will go outside and explore the world if he is banned, all of his time is spent on here and its making him more and more un-balanced by the day

Come on Jeff.. do the right thing

Round Mound

02-19-2013, 02:38 AM

I am going to miss Kobe, Its seriously going to be weird with the NBA without Kobe Bryant. The last superstar from the old generation.

Duncan? Garnett? Nash? Kidd?

DaSeba5

02-19-2013, 02:41 AM

Duncan? Garnett? Nash? Kidd?

This. What do you mean last?

kennethgriffin

02-19-2013, 02:42 AM

the lakers get a new legend every 10 years... lol@ people thinkin we won't have another kobe/magic/west/wilt/shaq/baylor/mikan to cheer for

and no howard isnt him... but his next running mate could be

miller-time

02-19-2013, 02:45 AM

Duncan? Garnett? Nash? Kidd?

You could include Pierce and Allen in that lot too.

andgar923

02-19-2013, 02:49 AM

http://www.abload.de/img/kv2uplugycpv.gif
You do know he was fouling him the entire possession right?

livingby3's

02-19-2013, 02:50 AM

Duncan? Garnett? Nash? Kidd?

Dirk too

Graviton

02-19-2013, 02:50 AM

They will just jump on the bandwagon of the best Shooting Guard again; Russel Goatbrook.

d.bball.guy

02-19-2013, 02:51 AM

If Jordan has retired 10 years ago and still has a lot of stans, why not Kobe?

shady6121

02-19-2013, 02:55 AM

Pauk tried to kill himself with a remote. :lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YersIyzsOpc

9erempiree

02-19-2013, 02:56 AM

The butts are sore and the mouth is tired......

http://serve.mysmiley.net/adult/bj.gif (http://www.celebrityfashionarchive.com)

Love the new smileys.

Lebron fans http://serve.mysmiley.net/adult/jackoff.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net)

Mr. Jabbar

02-19-2013, 02:59 AM

alleykat

02-19-2013, 03:01 AM

you guys should have a debate then shake hands.....two huge fans who can't like the other's heroes...

it will be epic

kennethgriffin

02-19-2013, 03:01 AM

http://serve.mysmiley.net/adult/bj.gif (http://www.celebrityfashionarchive.com)

that's disgusting

i like it

longtime lurker

02-19-2013, 03:01 AM

http://www.abload.de/img/kv2uplugycpv.gif

Is this the equivalent of the pie in the face Laker haters were posting around here? Lets hope it doesnt get obnoxiously over used like that one.

LebronairJAMES

02-19-2013, 03:13 AM

This. What do you mean last?
To me Kobe is in his own class-Kobe>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Duncan? Garnett? Nash? Kidd?
Kobe and James
Durant

the rest of the NBA

alleykat

02-19-2013, 03:22 AM

irrelevance now means no love from ESPN or anywhere....

don't worry he will be relevant again once he retires somehow...

KOBE143

02-19-2013, 03:26 AM

Theres nothing we can do to help this dude if Kobe is still in the league.. Its not like we're the one at fault here.. Kobe is the main culprit here.. He was the one who's making Pauk and company frustrated and mad as hell.. We all know Kobe is always a nightmare for LeBron and his fans.. Maybe the best thing we can do right now is to wait till Kobe retire.. My advice for Pauk is to wait patiently.. It will only take 5-6 years till your happiest moment will come true.. Just wait pauk my friend and wish you're still mentally stable when that happen..

maybeshewill13

02-19-2013, 03:32 AM

http://i.imgur.com/QvKxOJf.jpg
:roll: :lol

omg ****ing laughing uncontrollably at this thread :applause: even though this place is infested with tards it's still one of the most amusing sites on the web :applause: :lol

coin24

02-19-2013, 03:35 AM

Pauks reaction..:lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI13kclVidU

KOBE143

02-19-2013, 03:35 AM

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Deuce Bigalow

02-19-2013, 03:36 AM

You do know he was fouling him the entire possession right?
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2183379/kobereturns_medium.gif

Deuce Bigalow

02-19-2013, 03:40 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqMk5iW6hoA
:roll: :roll: :roll:

vBulletin Message
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Mr. Jabbar again.

alleykat

02-19-2013, 03:52 AM

ispin69

02-19-2013, 03:59 AM

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2183379/kobereturns_medium.gif

Now look closely at what Kobe's left arm is doing as LeBrawn is in the air in the act of shooting.

andgar923

02-19-2013, 04:07 AM

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2183379/kobereturns_medium.gif

I never argued that one tho so what's your point? :confusedshrug:

andgar923

02-19-2013, 04:08 AM

Now look closely at what Kobe's left arm is doing as LeBrawn is in the air in the act of shooting.

He may have bumped him but it didn't seem to affect his shot, so he gets a pass for that one.

The other one on the other hand, is old school craftiness.

CraftyBE.

ripthekik

02-19-2013, 04:15 AM

Damn, the videos above :roll: :roll: :roll:

selrahc

02-19-2013, 04:15 AM

i will probably become an alcoholic

Yao Ming's Foot

02-19-2013, 04:21 AM

The same thing Jordan mythologists did when Jordan retired for the third time. Post old clips and wax poetic of about his legacy. Jordan just turned 50 and his sycophants still haven't moved on. :confusedshrug:

alleykat

02-19-2013, 04:34 AM

denial....

then acceptance that he is not top 8, may not even top 10 :confusedshrug:
if they don't accept then continuous state of denial....

Brokenbeat

02-19-2013, 04:38 AM

Damn, the videos above :roll: :roll: :roll:

http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/do%20want/grand/do-want-eccbc87e4b5ce2fe28308fd9f2a7baf3-409.gif

BMOGEFan

02-19-2013, 05:09 AM

http://www.abload.de/img/kv2uplugycpv.gif

All Net

02-19-2013, 05:14 AM

Why would Lebron fans be butthurt exactly? seeing as Miami are defending champs, Lebron is beasting and Miami are one loss back of the best record...why should fans of a certain player care what happened in the all-star game?

I<3NBA

02-19-2013, 05:23 AM

putting aside that he is pauk, so what? do you kobetards have any answers to his arguments? they were pretty sound. esp the parts about being fkng hypocrites.

ofc no you have no answers. when you can't rebut, you go ad hominem. that's the MO of idiots like you.

9erempiree

02-19-2013, 05:25 AM

Holy crap!

Another huge essay.:oldlol:

Word count please?

9erempiree

02-19-2013, 05:34 AM

Kobe dunking on Lebron:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-AFuHeVntZ0I/TWHx73WzTdI/AAAAAAAAOMM/KdLU2napPL0/s1600/Kobe%2BBryant%2BDunks%2BOn%2BLebron%2BJames%2B3.jp g

Yelling at the cowardly lion:
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQf8Tx-VSjnxaCTxAFj350q5U5lSoThwK_9yFi0FqExnEmZn0f-

Kobe blocks Lebron:
http://i0.wp.com/www.eurweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/kobe-blocks-lebron-2013-all-star-game.jpg?resize=560%2C342

but twice...
http://www.gannett-cdn.com/media/USATODAY/USATODAY/2013/02/18/gty-161937954-4_3_r536_c534.jpg?1b79b3da202957124496e3768cfb7b67 cdb10c81

Which one of these Kobe/Lebron allstar moments are your favorite?

It seems to be happening every year and I can't wait till next year.

KOBE143

02-19-2013, 05:36 AM

LOL pauk is hiding in his alt account so he ca post his another essay..

You're too obvious pauk.. :lol

Hittin_Shots

02-19-2013, 05:37 AM

That dunk was not on lebron.. I hate fuktards..

KOBE143

02-19-2013, 05:39 AM

blablabla

02-19-2013, 05:39 AM

kobe really needs to stop embarassing lebron in asgs

9erempiree

02-19-2013, 05:39 AM

That dunk was not on lebron.. I hate fuktards..

Who was the dunk on then? Joe Johnson?

:facepalm

KOBE143

02-19-2013, 05:42 AM

I cant believe after all that humiliation, LeBron still has the balls to stay in the league.. Props to LeBron for swallowing all his pride and continue to play the game that give him the most embarrassment.. :lol

Kews1

02-19-2013, 05:45 AM

http://static.someecards.com/someecards/usercards/252ed7a45086b9652662d5af776d353276.png

9erempiree

02-19-2013, 05:47 AM

http://static.someecards.com/someecards/usercards/252ed7a45086b9652662d5af776d353276.png

You're pretty much proof that prostitutes should practice safe sex.

:facepalm

Kews1

02-19-2013, 05:47 AM

So pathetic that you idiots have resorted to this bullshit

Kews1

02-19-2013, 05:50 AM

You're pretty much proof that prostitutes should practice safe sex.

:facepalm

didnt laugh:no:

Kews1

02-19-2013, 05:53 AM

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to 9erempiree again.

:banghead:

9erempiree

02-19-2013, 05:53 AM

didnt laugh:no:

You think it's funny to us that you were born into this world?

:facepalm

Kews1

02-19-2013, 05:55 AM

You think it's funny to us that you were born into this world?

:facepalmhttp://www.picanese.com/pbpics/nice-try-CFTq88.jpg

coin24

02-19-2013, 06:12 AM

Pauk still mad as fu*k:roll: :roll:

How many alts does this retard have??:lol

onhcetum

02-19-2013, 06:24 AM

lol I'm not Pauk... what are you guys smoking

MetsPackers

02-19-2013, 06:30 AM

lol I'm not Pauk... what are you guys smoking

Gave it away right there. I'm on your side as far as the content of this thread goes, but it's obvious :roll:

Wang Zhi Zhi

02-19-2013, 07:00 AM

:lol :lol :lol

RagaZ

12-04-2013, 07:45 PM

You asked the same question twice :oldlol:

SilkkTheShocker

05-29-2015, 01:15 PM

Will be retiring in one more season. Does he still have time to get that elusive memorable playoff moment?

dubeta

05-29-2015, 01:26 PM

Will be retiring in one more season. Does he still have time to get that elusive memorable playoff moment?

I think the 2010 Finals Game 7 is memorable enough

AirFederer

05-29-2015, 01:29 PM

The alley oop to Shaq. Symbol of those three chips years.
That's the only one for me. No shame in that.
What a pass and dunk it was :applause:

dh144498

05-29-2015, 01:30 PM

http://i.imgur.com/8usmo31.gif

dubeta

05-29-2015, 01:41 PM

The alley oop to Shaq. Symbol of those three chips years.
That's the only one for me. No shame in that.
What a pass and dunk it was :applause:

Symbol of Kobe's entire career, actually