Knicks Working on JJ Redick Deal

[NewYorkNoPicks]

Shump and filler for Redick

Via Alex Kennedy

Personally I dont think this trade completely solves our issues; it still leaves us a mainly jump shooting team...just eith an additional jump shooter.

Knicks largest problem has been a lack of diversity in their offense.

In short: we need someone who can attack the rim, and who will do so ruthlessly and incessantly.

The deal id make.... Shumpert for Tyreke Evans

A ball handling 2 who gets to the rack with ease, and posesses court vision and passing ability which can be used to get shooters the ball as the defense collapses around him. A forgotten talent who Sac hasnt exactly been thrilled with.

[Clutch]

I love JJ Redick. He's like Novak who can run off the screens,handle the ball and isn't so horrible defensively.

Right now he's much better than Shumpert. If Shumpert returns to his old himself then I probably wouldn't trade him but if we're in win-now mode then J.J.Redick is definitely an improvement over Shump.

[NewYorkNoPicks]

I love JJ Redick. He's like Novak who can run off the screens,handle the ball and isn't so horrible defensively.

Right now he's much better than Shumpert. If Shumpert returns to his old himself then I probably wouldn't trade him but if we're in win-now mode then J.J.Redick is definitely an improvement over Shump.

I will never change my stance on this... Tyreke is the answer. We need a slasher

[outbreak]

Possible but don't see it, latest from orlando was they weren't taking any trade after clips wanted to move bledsoe and butler

[Clutch]

I will never change my stance on this... Tyreke is the answer. We need a slasher
Tyreke is talented but he wants the ball in his hands,he's selfish and has a low IQ.
We don't need another guy who wants the ball in his hands. We already have like 4 of them (Melo,J.R.,Amare,Felton).

Redick is perfect fit for our offense. He can run through screens and get some open looks,he is a very good 3-pt shooter,doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective and he can even attack the rim if he gets some space. The only thing that worries me about him is his defense.

[NewYorkNoPicks]

Tyreke is talented but he wants the ball in his hands,he's selfish and has a low IQ.

We don't need another guy who wants the ball in his hands. We already have like 4 of them (Melo,J.R.,Amare,Felton).

Actually..thats exactly what we need...in the right circumstances

When jumpers arent falling guess what the knicks do? Shoot more jumpers.

When the Knicks tied the game with the Raps whatd they do on a critical posession which could have given them the lead? Shot a long jump shot.

In situations like these we need diversity in the offense...we need a 2 foot floater, not a 20 foot 3 pointer

When you even just TRY to get to the rack good things happen: the floor opens up, you can draw a foul, you get a chance at a high percentage shot, an And1 can take place, etc.

[Trentknicks]

What is the apparent obsession with trading this kid. Only young talent we have and current competent guard defender outside JR Smith. They must be wanting to go with JR this offseason.

[Budadiiii]

Fools.

[Rubio2Gasol]

Reddick has developed a nice slashing game to compliment his shooting.

[GatorKid117]

Whatever happens with JJ I will wish him all the best. Probably my favorite Magic player at the moment. He'll improve any team that trades for him. I think he'd fit in well in the starting line up for the Knicks.

[kurple]

nuggets are also rumored to be interested in redick

doubt it happens

[Jameerthefear]

No **** you guys you cant have him

[coin24]

nuggets are also rumored to be interested in redick

doubt it happens

What would the Nuggets give up? I know theyre winning now, but that roster is a mess.

[kurple]

C.Brewer
T.Mozgov
W.Chandler
And maybe even A.Miller

are players the FO would be willing to give up (depending on the return). I'd try to keep WC as long as possible, unless the deal is too good to pass on

Brewer would be the first guy i'd trade. He's got some value, becuase he really is a good player. Just not a good fit in Denver (we NEED to fix 3pt and FT shooting and Iggy is going nowhere)

[niko]

We don't need him, we need post up players inside. I don't like it.

[andremiller07]

I will never change my stance on this... Tyreke is the answer. We need a slasher

Kings would have to be brainless morons to give up Tyreke for Shumpert, Tyreke while scoring and being a better passer/ball handler/slasher can lockdown people just as well as Iman its just for some reason commentators and fans completely ignore how good the guy is on defense hes every bit as good as Shumpert. The Kings would be better off trading for Evan Turner/Danny Granger or something like that if they are going to trade. I'm sorry but Iman I like the dude but Tyreke playing average is like Shumpert playing at his best.

Tyreke still young as hell and can improve his jumper and actually maybe if moves are made play on a team suited to his strengths.

Iman for Marcus Thornton and maybe you got a deal but even as crap as Thornton has been thats a big if as well.

[bagelred]

It would have to be Shumpert and Novak, or Shumpert and Camby to make deal work.

Buh bye Novak. :cry:

[fatboy11]

In situations like these we need diversity in the offense...we need a 2 foot floater, not a 20 foot 3 pointer


Not such thing as a 20 foot 3 pointer.

[Haymaker]

It would have to be Shumpert and Novak, or Shumpert and Camby to make deal work.

Buh bye Novak. :cry: Hopefully Novak stays. He's NY's biggest 3pt threat.

[fatboy11]

C.Brewer
T.Mozgov
W.Chandler
And maybe even A.Miller

are players the FO would be willing to give up (depending on the return). I'd try to keep WC as long as possible, unless the deal is too good to pass on


You work in the Denver FO? How do you know who they are or aren't willing to give up?

[ralph_i_el]

I'd love to see this go down. The knicks will shoot all the threes :bowdown:

[Clutch]

Hopefully Novak stays. He's NY's biggest 3pt threat.
I love Novak but he's absolutely useless in the playoffs.

[DMV2]

The deal id make.... Shumpert for Tyreke Evans

Serious question, and it's not directly for NewYorkNoPicks but Knicks fans in general since you guys think Shump is so high on every team's radar. Why the fck do you guys value Shump so fcking high? I understand team support and all but to think Shump can generate a trade for Tyreke Evans is fcking retarded.

Shump is a good perimeter defender and that's it. Perimeter defenders aren't worth much in trade value in the NBA. It ain't like the NFL where a shutdown defender can be traded for great value.

[andremiller07]

Serious question, and it's not directly for NewYorkNoPicks but Knicks fans in general since you guys think Shump is so high on every team's radar. Why the fck do you guys value Shump so fcking high? I understand team support and all but to think Shump can generate a trade for Tyreke Evans is fcking retarded.

Shump is a good perimeter defender and that's it. Perimeter defenders aren't worth much in trade value in the NBA. It ain't like the NFL where a shutdown defender can be traded for great value.

The Shumpert for Evans deal would be like me as a Kings fan saying trade Evans for Harden.

Its just a highly unrealistic trade and on top of that everyone seems to forget the dude has had BOTH his knees repaired.

[bagelred]

The Shumpert for Evans deal would be like me as a Kings fan saying trade Evans for Harden.

Its just a highly unrealistic trade and on top of that everyone seems to forget the dude has had BOTH his knees repaired.

You know what? This gives me an idea. The Knicks should trade Shumpert for Harden. I think that's even better than for Evans.

[hawkfan]

The Shumpert for Evans deal would be like me as a Kings fan saying trade Evans for Harden.

That might have happened, if the Thunder had picked Evans instead of Harden.

Evans and Westbrook in the backcourt - who knows. That might have been unstoppable, or it might have been a disaster.

[mentallooser]

No **** you guys you cant have him
Can we?

[TylerOO]

LOL Trade your best defender besides Chandler for another Novak. Typical Knicks.

[GatorKid117]

LOL Trade your best defender besides Chandler for another Novak. Typical Knicks.

JJ Redick is 10x the player Novak is.

[TylerOO]

JJ Redick is 10x the player Novak is.

Maybe so, but on the Knicks he will be nothing more than a spot up shooter.

[DMV2]

Maybe so, but on the Knicks he will be nothing more than a spot up shooter.
They do need more guys who can slash, run screens, and make cuts. Redick is excellent at doing those things. His defense isn't bad either.

[GatorKid117]

Maybe so, but on the Knicks he will be nothing more than a spot up shooter.

I could see that happening unfortunately. And that takes away his deadliest asset imo, his off the ball movement. Dude's got a motor.

[Sarcastic]

I could see that happening unfortunately. And that takes away his deadliest asset imo, his off the ball movement. Dude's got a motor.


Woodson doesn't run an offense with off the ball movement. Redick would be awful in NY.

[iDunk]

Would the Kings accept a Novak & Shumpert for Tyreke Evans trade?

[pegasus]

I love Novak but he's absolutely useless in the playoffs.
This. JJ isn't afraid of the moment. Would love to have him on the Bulls.

[GatorKid117]

Woodson doesn't run an offense with off the ball movement. Redick would be awful in NY.

Well then, better hope you don't trade for him then :oldlol:

He'd help the team I'm sure but you'd be severely under utilizing him.

[FreezingTsmoove]

Reddick is more than a spot up shooter

[Rekindled]

Woodson doesn't run an offense with off the ball movement. Redick would be awful in NY.

then he should just goback the the dantoni offense he was using earlier in the season where they chuck up a lot of threes, seemed to ve worked

[TMT]

The fool who said JJ Reddick is just a spot up shooter obviously you haven't watched a single Magic game this season. I honestly don't want the Magic to give him up, but if there were any other team I would want to see him on NYC would be at the top of the list.

[Kurosawa0]

You want Shumpert for one reason and that's to guard Dwyane Wade in the playoffs. If you move Shumpert for Reddick who guards Wade? Jason Kidd? JR Smith? The Knicks make this move and they're giving Wade a free pass.

[Cherry Picker]

Reddick is the Wade stopper who can hit a 3
Good trade for NY
I LOVE WHITETEXT THAT'S MY MOTHERF'CKIN PROBLEM

[Kurosawa0]

Reddick is the Wade stopper who can hit a 3
Good trade for NY
I LOVE WHITETEXT THAT'S MY MOTHERF'CKIN PROBLEM

Wade will kill him. Way too quick and strong. You'll have to switch Reddick over onto Chalmers or Cole.

[niko]

This ain't happening, it was a discussion that went nowhere that won't be revisited.

[Real Men Wear Green]

It makes sense because Orlando is rebuilding and doesn't particularly need average players in the middle of their careers while NY is trying to win right now and Reddick will contribute as a starter or a reserve whereas Shumpert is an undeveloped young player coming back from an injury, more useful to a team that is losing in the present and looking towards the future.

[stevieming]

wow has Shump fallen so far after his ACL??

Not watched any Knicks game this season with him in it, so...

[Whoah10115]

It makes sense because Orlando is rebuilding and doesn't particularly need average players in the middle of their careers while NY is trying to win right now and Reddick will contribute as a starter or a reserve whereas Shumpert is an undeveloped young player coming back from an injury, more useful to a team that is losing in the present and looking towards the future.



:roll:

[Real Men Wear Green]

I don't see the humor.

[Whoah10115]

I don't see the humor.


What does Redick really offer? For our team, I mean?


What JR offers? A better pure shooter tho...we shoot enough. He's a better offensive player than Shumpert is, but he can't play Shump's D. The Knicks are not desperate to win the title this year...not in any kind of "at all costs" way.

[Scoooter]

What does Redick really offer? For our team, I mean?


What JR offers? A better pure shooter tho...we shoot enough. He's a better offensive player than Shumpert is, but he can't play Shump's D. The Knicks are not desperate to win the title this year...not in any kind of "at all costs" way.
Neither can Shump anymore.

[DMV2]

What does Redick really offer? For our team, I mean?


What JR offers? A better pure shooter tho...we shoot enough. He's a better offensive player than Shumpert is, but he can't play Shump's D. The Knicks are not desperate to win the title this year...not in any kind of "at all costs" way.You guys don't have anybody who moves well without the ball; screens, backdoor cuts, etc. Redick is one of the best at doing moving without the ball.

[Whoah10115]

Neither can Shump anymore.



The playoffs are two months away.



You guys don't have anybody who moves well without the ball; screens, backdoor cuts, etc. Redick is one of the best at doing moving without the ball.


I actually think Smith moves pretty well off the ball. He's probably just being asked to do too much.


Amare is an elite off the ball player...You could argue that we're more lacking on the perimeter, but Redick is not worth Shump, not for us...not when he's expiring.

[Scoooter]

It's a gamble for sure. Reddick is better than Shumpert right now, who is contributing next to nothing. But Reddick is probably as good as he's ever going to be, and Shumpert might have some development in front of him.

[Real Men Wear Green]

What does Redick really offer? For our team, I mean?


What JR offers? A better pure shooter tho...we shoot enough. He's a better offensive player than Shumpert is, but he can't play Shump's D. The Knicks are not desperate to win the title this year...not in any kind of "at all costs" way.
Shump is currently playing Shump's D for 19 minutes per game. Trading a guy that might be the 4th-best guard on your roster isn't the big deal you think it is. Roleplayers come and go, I kid you not. I do understand your attachment to your team's young player but he's done nothing to justify your belief in him. There's a reason why you hear him discussed attached to players like Redick and Jared Dudley. The only funny thing here is how some of you Knick fans overrate this guy. And even amongst Knick fans I've noticed a number of you that know he's not untouchable.

[SevereUpInHere]

I know Reddick is a better player and to be honest I've hardly seen any games since Shump has been back, but the one thing Shump brings to our team that noone else does is perimeter defense.

He's the only one on our team we can put on guys like Wade, Rose etc and hope to slow them down a bit. I'm really torn on if I'd want this trade to go down.

Can someone school me on JJ's defense?

[Whoah10115]

Shump is currently playing Shump's D for 19 minutes per game. Trading a guy that might be the 4th-best guard on your roster isn't the big deal you think it is. Roleplayers come and go, I kid you not. I do understand your attachment to your team's young player but he's done nothing to justify your belief in him. There's a reason why you hear him discussed attached to players like Redick and Jared Dudley. The only funny thing here is how some of you Knick fans overrate this guy. And even amongst Knick fans I've noticed a number of you that know he's not untouchable.



There isn't a single person who rates him higher than I do. But I don't rate him as a great player. More than a role player, absolutely. He can rebound a bit, he's a good passer, he can handle the ball and help run the offense. He also has legit scoring ability.


He hasn't come close at all to being great in any of these facets, much less has he come close to putting it all together. He was a great rookie and has been back for 10 games or so. He's playing 19 minutes a game after 9 month absence. He came back pretty early and he's still getting back. He also cut some weight and is adjusting to being smaller and to having less body than before. It's going to take time. There's a good chance that he won't be what he was last season, at any point this season.

But he'll be better next season. Smaller contract, signed thru two more seasons, great defender, glue guy, and a higher ceiling than Redick. Shump has more than role player quality. A lot more.

[Whoah10115]

Can someone school me on JJ's defense?


The guy plays hard. That's never a problem. He's not a particularly good defender but he ain't too bad either. He'll always give 100% tho.

[Patrick Chewing]

Redick didn't look good tonight. Those rumors must've made him nervous.


I wouldn't mind seeing a guy like Tyler Hansbrough on this team instead.

[Tking714]

I like the trade. He's a more consistent shooter than any of the players we have outside of Novak. Everyone else is too streaky