PlayStation Meeting 2013

[LexiKhan]

Anyone else watching this tonight (6 p.m est. if i'm not mistaken)?

They'll be presenting the PS4/Orbis (one of the possible names for the new console) and it seems a lot of Sony's 1st party developers will be there (sucker punch, naughty dog, Polyphony Digital, Team ICO).

It's also expected they'll be showcasing the new Gran Turismo, Last Guardian and maybe the new next-gen Final Fantasy, among others.

[miller-time]

It's also expected they'll be showcasing the new Gran Turismo,

GT5 was the entire reason I bought a PS3. And it let me down terribly (I actually gave my PS3 to my little sister). I don't know what happened but it was like they didn't play a racing game (specifically Forza 2 and 3) in between development and release. They dropped everything that made the original games awesome and tried to push it in a new and untested direction which made it shit.

[bmulls]

I'm glad the next generation of consoles is starting to move forward. No good games coming out for a while because all the developers are anticipating the new systems.

[franchise#3]

I hope developers start concentrating on the story more.

[Legend of Josh]

GT5 was the entire reason I bought a PS3. And it let me down terribly (I actually gave my PS3 to my little sister). I don't know what happened but it was like they didn't play a racing game (specifically Forza 2 and 3) in between development and release. They dropped everything that made the original games awesome and tried to push it in a new and untested direction which made it shit.

Not to mention the continuous delays upon more delays etc etc etc IMO drained almost all the excitement and anticipation completely out of it. The finished product was trash when you consider how "grand" and "groundbreaking" it was supposed to be.

If Sony is smart this time, they'll have the new PS4 GT game complete and finished on launch date.

[LexiKhan]

Yeah, a lot of the games they showed as launch titles for the PS3 came way too late and were underwhelming (most notably GT5, FFXIII and Tekken 6). That and the 600$ price tag gave them too much of a slow start.

Let's see what they bring this time around.

[niko]

Hopefully they shoot down some of the more annoying "rumored features" like the required online as DRM, the per month charge, the no used games, the streaming games as a main source of games rather than downloads. These are things i don't like or want.

[Legend of Josh]

Hopefully they shoot down some of the more annoying "rumored features" like the required online as DRM, the per month charge, the no used games, the streaming games as a main source of games rather than downloads. These are things i don't like or want.

Go on niko boi! You tell 'em! You go boi!

[ImmortalNemesis]

Hopefully they shoot down some of the more annoying "rumored features" like the required online as DRM, the per month charge, the no used games, the streaming games as a main source of games rather than downloads. These are things i don't like or want.
I actually like the idea of streaming games that were ps3 ones. It saves HDD space, and it should mean cheaper prices for those games. Ideally though, it would be more of a

"Oh you purchased these PS1/2 games or waited to download PS3 games instead of buying them? Let us help you out and give you those for free since you already paid for them (d/l or stream), and buy the ones that you want now to stream"

That said though, if they DRM everything they obviously didn't pay attention to when music piracy was rampant. Because I doubt the Steam Piston could save gaming like iTunes did music.

Using the Piston as an example as a potential savior since M$ and Sony may have their heads up their ass again.

[niko]

Go on niko boi! You tell 'em! You go boi!
:cheers: and i do want GT5.

[IGOTGAME]

Hopefully they shoot down some of the more annoying "rumored features" like the required online as DRM, the per month charge, the no used games, the streaming games as a main source of games rather than downloads. These are things i don't like or want.

if that is the case then I may quit consoles.

[TheMarkMadsen]

in this economy how many people will have $450-500 (reported cost) lying around to drop on this? Plus you've got to by a game or two..

especially considering the Xbox 720 will be released at a more consumer friendly price.

[Legend of Josh]

in this economy how many people will have $450-500 (reported cost) lying around to drop on this? Plus you've got to by a game or two..

especially considering the Xbox 720 will be released at a more consumer friendly price.

If the PS3 was $600, and now the PS4 will have a rumored price point of $400-$500 range, then that's Sony's way of saying we're offering an inferior product compared to the PS3, because never in the history of gaming generations from one to the next has a manufacturer *DROPPED* their MSRP on the new generation console from the one before.

Maybe it's just me, but Sony is beginning to look more and more like the next SEGA in the making. Those cocky assholes thought the legacy of the legendary PS2 would carry them into this current generation and dominate hands down compared to Nintendo and Microsoft. LOL, that obviously backfired all over their dumbasses, even despite the 360's notorious hardware flaws.

Sony is in trouble if they don't play all their cards right in this next go 'round.

[Kungfro]

If the PS3 was $600, and now the PS4 will have a rumored price point of $400-$500 range, then that's Sony's way of saying we're offering an inferior product compared to the PS3

I don't think so. That $600 price tag was a huge part of why sony started so slow last generation. They know people won't pay that kind of price, they'll probably end up taking a loss on console sales for a while.

Also the ps3 recently passed the xbox in sales, and while I hope Nintendo does well I worry their WiiU will share the same fate as the Dreamcast.

[Kungfro]

About to start.

http://auth.giantbomb.com/chat/
http://www.twitch.tv/playstation

[InfiniteBaskets]

Speaking of better stories within games, I miss all of the turn-based RPGs that dominated SNES and PS1.

Chrono Trigger
Final Fantasy 7, 8 , 9 even X wasn't bad
Chrono Cross
Xenogears


PS3 comes along and your character can finally stop looking like 8 red pixels on the world map, and we don't see any great turn-based RPGs. :facepalm

[GreatGreg]

Did they unveil how it'll look yet?

[Legend of Josh]

Speaking of better stories within games, I miss all of the turn-based RPGs that dominated SNES and PS1.

Chrono Trigger
Final Fantasy 7, 8 , 9 even X wasn't bad
Chrono Cross
Xenogears


PS3 comes along and your character can finally stop looking like 8 red pixels on the world map, and we don't see any great turn-based RPGs. :facepalm

You my friend must have never played Lost Odyssey or Blue Dragon.

[ImmortalNemesis]

Did they unveil how it'll look yet?
No.

[ImmortalNemesis]

Controller looks better, but I'm intrigued by how the touchpad will work.

[LexiKhan]

Not really an expert in hardware but i liked the specs and controller design.

But all this social gaming stuff is not really my cup of tea.

[Droid101]

Speaking of better stories within games, I miss all of the turn-based RPGs that dominated SNES and PS1.

Chrono Trigger
Final Fantasy 7, 8 , 9 even X wasn't bad
Chrono Cross
Xenogears


PS3 comes along and your character can finally stop looking like 8 red pixels on the world map, and we don't see any great turn-based RPGs. :facepalm
Xenogears is criminally underrated.

Never played Cross... worth it?

[InfiniteBaskets]

You my friend must have never played Lost Odyssey or Blue Dragon.

I have not, but after looking those up on google it appears they were developed by Microsoft and released for X-box 360 exclusively. I've stuck with Sony since moving on past SNES.

I'm more referring to top grossing games. PSX saw all three FF series sell over 5 million copies while the only PS3 games that have sold over 5 million include games like:

Call of Duty series
Gran Turismo
FIFA
Metal Gear Solid
Uncharted
God of War

Ever since Halo 2 and the evolution of online play, first person shooters have dominated the gaming field. Granted, if I had to play something online, it would be a shooter where you could spawn quickly and get some kills on more experienced players.

But sometimes you want to sit down and enjoy a great story with a long-winded game. Seems like there are no developers throwing big money into that bucket anymore.

[InfiniteBaskets]

Xenogears is criminally underrated.

Never played Cross... worth it?

The story line is not nearly as mature or complex as Xenogears, but if you're a Trigger fan you can appreciate the game. The battle system is also arguably better than Xenogears. I liked it better than the FF ones. Replay value is also through the roof, hands down best replay in all PSX RPGs in my opinion, but only if you liked playing the game first time around (10+ diff endings).

If you've got a PS3, you can download Cross for $10 and play it on your console. I'm sure you know other ways to play it as well.

[ImmortalNemesis]

Remoteplay could be a hit, or fail miserably if they never update the Vita's game library on it's own.

[embersyc]

Cliffnotes:

It's a PC.

[ImmortalNemesis]

Cliffnotes:

It's a PC.
:lol

[9erempiree]

Let's be honest console gaming is dead. I am watching this meeting and they want to turn you into a loser.

They say when you leave your home you are left with your real life and real world but with this new sharing idea they have, when you leave your home your game follows you. Sounds counterproductive. ROFL

[BuGzBuNNy]

Touchpad seems like a bad idea to me. Can't imagine how it'll be used

[B-Low]

Shit I just got home from work. Somebody got a summary? I see the price is $400-500...what other details did they give?

[9erempiree]

Forget all that "sharing" and "cloud gaming". We need to see what the graphics and realistic some of these games are.

[LexiKhan]

Let's be honest console gaming is dead. I am watching this meeting and they want to turn you into a loser.

They say when you leave your home you are left with your real life and real world but with this new sharing idea they have, when you leave your home your game follows you. Sounds counterproductive. ROFL

Yeah, I'm not feeling this social crap either. Call me old school but I like that distinction of playing my game in the couch and when I leave it the game stays there. I don't want random PSN "friends" challenging me for a street fighter bout when I'm not playing. That seems like farmville requests taken to the extreme.

[ImmortalNemesis]

Shit I just got home from work. Somebody got a summary? I see the price is $400-500...what other details did they give?
Price isn't official yet but.

It's basically as powerful as a PC. And has a controller with better thumb sticks and a touch pad and a share button so you can send videos/pics/etc of games or whatever to your friends.

Oh and after downloading part of a game you can begin playing it while the rest of it downloads.

New Killzone looks boss.

[LexiKhan]

Price isn't official yet but.

It's basically as powerful as a PC. And has a controller with better thumb sticks and a touch pad and a share button so you can send videos/pics/etc of games or whatever to your friends.



New Killzone looks boss.

And also the possibility of streaming- based backwards compatibility for PS1, 2 and 3 games in the PS4.

[EnoughSaid]

New PS4 >>>> New Xbox.

[ImmortalNemesis]

And also the possibility of streaming- based backwards compatibility for PS1, 2 and 3 games in the PS4.
That might make me (and I'd assume others) not buy the last of us, until it comes out on the PSN cloud thing. :lol

[Droid101]

And also the possibility of streaming- based backwards compatibility for PS1, 2 and 3 games in the PS4.
So, making you re-buy games you already bought?

PC gaming never looked so good.

[9erempiree]

Not sold on any of this crap.

Perhaps I'm a little bit older but how do the young bucks feel about this?

[B-Low]

Is that shit about not being able to play used games on it true?

[ImmortalNemesis]

Is that shit about not being able to play used games on it true?
They haven't said anything about it.

[Kungfro]

That was a real weird way to introduce infamous.

[ImmortalNemesis]

That was a real weird way to introduce infamous.
I liked it in a way. It seemed to set the tone for the game.

[AlphaWolf24]

http://cdn.arstechnica.net/liveblogs/sonys-2013-playstation-meeting-liveblog/images/IMG_2996.JPG

http://cdn.arstechnica.net/liveblogs/sonys-2013-playstation-meeting-liveblog/images/IMG_3173.JPG

http://cdn.arstechnica.net/liveblogs/sonys-2013-playstation-meeting-liveblog/images/IMG_3207.JPG

I worked for a VFX company when PS3 came out.....they used a Video game Trailer that took Hollywood VFX artists 3 months to complete....

The best part was...it was a fully rendered CG trailer that was not footage of actual gameplay....It looked absolutley amazing ( even added a bar or meter at the bottom of the screen to make it look like actual gameplay).....just wasn't a Video game.

Sony always does that when they premire a new console....

[Kungfro]

That "the Witness" trailer looked really cool.

[AlphaWolf24]

http://cdn.arstechnica.net/liveblogs/sonys-2013-playstation-meeting-liveblog/images/IMG_3212.JPG

PS guy passing this off as actual gameplay footage...

no way...

[imnew09]

The graphics :bowdown:

http://i47.tinypic.com/r2vz4i.jpg

[CelticBaller]

Show the damn console

[9erempiree]

graphics are fake in the sense that the graphics are only that good when there is cinema being shown between levels or stages.

Game play graphics are usually poorer than the cinema.

The graphics of the old man is probably from a cinema. We need real game footage.

[CelticBaller]

Cutscenes graphics are the curse of gaming :oldlol:

[ImmortalNemesis]

Anything that involves the move I can't take seriously.:roll:

[AlphaWolf24]

The graphics :bowdown:

http://i47.tinypic.com/r2vz4i.jpg


no way....

a fully rendered image made from Z BRUSH software...

I guarantee that is not from any game on the PS4 nor a cut scene.

[-p.tiddy-]

None of the trailers should be taken that seriously...Kill Zone had a PS3 trailer that was pretty much on par with the one shown just now.

[AlphaWolf24]

http://cdn.arstechnica.net/liveblogs/sonys-2013-playstation-meeting-liveblog/images/IMG_3242.JPG

[CelticBaller]

Anything that involves the move I can't take seriously.:roll:
Seriously. Gimmicks are way too annoying, especially when its a ripoff of a dying console

[che guevara]

Yeah, I'm not feeling this social crap either. Call me old school but I like that distinction of playing my game in the couch and when I leave it the game stays there. I don't want random PSN "friends" challenging me for a street fighter bout when I'm not playing. That seems like farmville requests taken to the extreme.
Yeah, I play video games when I'm bored and have nothing to do. I'm never looking to play a game when I'm out and about. Seems like something kids would be interested in, but how many kids have the kind of money to get all this shit to play on the go anyway?


Price isn't official yet but.

It's basically as powerful as a PC. And has a controller with better thumb sticks and a touch pad and a share button so you can send videos/pics/etc of games or whatever to your friends.

Oh and after downloading part of a game you can begin playing it while the rest of it downloads.

New Killzone looks boss.
It's basically going to have low to mid range gaming PC hardware. Don't buy their "enhanced GPU" crap, top of the line GPUs cost more than the PS4 itself will. High end PCs will have easily surpassed the PS4/XB720 before they're even released, the same was true of the PS3/360 before they were released.

I'm really not that impressed by the graphics, it's really just a minor to moderate jump from the last generation. Graphics are good enough at this point, that it's really difficult to make a major leap. This is nothing like the leap from PS1/N64 to the GC/PS2/Xbox, I almost shit myself the first time I saw a PS2 in action.

[B-Low]

Cutscenes graphics are the curse of gaming :oldlol:

Yup. I remember when WWF first came out on Playstation 2. Here's the cutscene/intro Undertaker vs. in game Undertaker

http://s3.vidimg02.popscreen.com/original/41/TXlRdG9YR1VvYzAx_o_wwf-smackdown-just-bring-it-intro.jpg

http://www.futuregamez.net/ps2games/wwfjbit/wwfjbit1.jpg

[AlphaWolf24]

Fake Motorstorm trailer at the PS3 premiere
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IFqmNSObus

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2006/03/motorstormlie1.jpg











real game..

http://www.joystiq.com/media/2006/03/motorstormshame2.jpg

[ImmortalNemesis]

I'm really not that impressed by the graphics, it's really just a minor to moderate jump from the last generation. Graphics are good enough at this point, that it's really difficult to make a major leap. This is nothing like the leap from PS1/N64 to the GC/PS2/Xbox, I almost shit myself the first time I saw a PS2 in action.
Agreed, graphics wise we'll never get a stunning jump up again. Personally I just want all the ram I can get to do more shit at once on. The suspending a game to go and play another game could be really really good if 8 is good enough for that. I think it will be for awhile...but yeah.

[ImmortalNemesis]

Kinda wish they'd end this already and just show us the console itself/price. Wait till E3 to show us the demos, since you've already shown the heavy hitters.

[AlphaWolf24]

Sony Claiming this is actual gameplay footage of Watch Dogs..

http://cdn.arstechnica.net/liveblogs/sonys-2013-playstation-meeting-liveblog/images/IMG_3304.JPG
http://cdn.arstechnica.net/liveblogs/sonys-2013-playstation-meeting-liveblog/images/IMG_3307.JPG

[Qwyjibo]

While it obviously looks great, that doesn't look much better (if at all) than a PC version of any recent sandbox game.

[ace23]

Damn, not sure if I should buy a new PS3 (old one died) or wait for this.

[CelticBaller]

looks sick

[-p.tiddy-]

Have you worked on any next gen games?
I can say that I have not...not yet anyway

[B-Low]

Did they give a legit release date/timeframe?

[-p.tiddy-]

Damn, not sure if I should buy a new PS3 (old one died) or wait for this.
I'm sure the PS3 will drop in price after today

I'll probably buy one as my 360 just went bad on me not long ago

[LexiKhan]

Meh Diablo 3.

They should ressurect Starcraft:Ghost, that game would be sick.

[CelticBaller]

diablo 3? wasn't that one of the biggest flops of 2012 :lol

[che guevara]

Did they give a legit release date/timeframe?
No, I would bet they're not going to give exact pricing and release date until E3. Probably will just give a general window for release.

[imnew09]

ugh Diablo 3... disappointed from Blizzard.

[Qwyjibo]

Meh Diablo 3.

They should ressurect Starcraft:Ghost, that game would be sick.
I was totally hoping for that too but then I realized I wasn't dreaming. Too bad. :lol

[AlphaWolf24]

Bungie's new game "Destiny" ( cooler version of Halo)

http://cdn.arstechnica.net/liveblogs/sonys-2013-playstation-meeting-liveblog/images/IMG_3325.JPG

[ace23]

I'm sure the PS3 will drop in price after today

I'll probably buy one as my 360 just went bad on me not long ago
Like tomorrow after today?

[Kungfro]

So weird to see Bungie involved in a sony press conference.

[che guevara]

I KNEW they were going to introduce Bungie. Was completely sure.

As a huge Halo fan (well, I hated Halos 3, Reach, and 4, but loved 1&2), it's just bizarre to watch Bungie introduce themselves on a Sony platform.

Seeing Marty O'donnell up there in a Sony presentation is just so, so weird.

[CelticBaller]

I KNEW they were going to introduce Bungie. Was completely sure.

As a huge Halo fan (well, I hated Halos 3, Reach, and 4, but loved 1&2), it's just bizarre to watch Bungie introduce themselves on a Sony platform.
:biggums:

[che guevara]

:biggums:
Game sucked. So many problems with it, but I don't think this is the best place to get into it.

[-p.tiddy-]

Like tomorrow after today?
I wouldn't doubt it, but maybe not that soon

they have to drop the price now or everyone will just hold out...

[AlphaWolf24]

Not showing the console tonight..


WTF?

[che guevara]

Conference over, they didn't show the actual PS4 hardware, pricing, or release date.

[imnew09]

ughh 2 hours and they didn't show the console.

fk this.

[CelticBaller]

They didn't even show the console :oldlol:

Sony blows

[LexiKhan]

:biggums: Guess they're saving stuff for E3.

[Qwyjibo]

What a "meh" conference. I saw very little that I would consider revolutionary relative to what I'm playing right now on PC and PS3.

[Kungfro]

Is it really that surprising they didn't show the console? I wasn't really expecting them to going in.

[EnoughSaid]

I wonder what Microsoft is going to come out with. But I already know that I'm for sure getting the PS4. Better exclusives and versatility as a media platform.

[che guevara]

What a "meh" conference. I saw very little that I would consider revolutionary relative to what I'm playing right now on PC and PS3.
It's just getting harder and harder to improve gaming experiences, most of the new features Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft announce are just gimmicks. At this point, I'm not really interested in the next generation of consoles. I don't see why it's going to be much better than what we have now.

[flipogb]

well f u too Sony, wasted my time with that.

[Qwyjibo]

It's just getting harder and harder to improve gaming experiences, most of the new features Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft announce are just gimmicks. At this point, I'm not really interested in the next generation of consoles. I don't see why it's going to be much better than what we have now.
Pretty much. I'm sure I'll buy one of the main consoles eventually but definitely not right away and maybe not even during their first 2 years.

I already have my blu-ray needs met with the PS3 and there is more than enough PC gaming to satisfy that. I don't see the value in dishing out $400-500 for what, IMO, looks like a marginal upgrade based on what we've seen and read.

[flipogb]

Is it really that surprising they didn't show the console? I wasn't really expecting them to going in.

they showed us the controller and told us what will be inside.

all they had to do was put up a picture of a box on screen and nobody would complain and somehow they f'd that up

[9erempiree]

To be honest I don't think there is a fully built and ready PS4 console. All they have shown are game developers. I bet they don't even have it made.

They throw out a couple of software tweaks and showoff some games and that's it.

It will be slapped together. It's hardly an upgrade over the PS3 and I think they know this.

[Burgz V2]

i doubt the videos shown are anywhere near their max computing power. That being said, I wasn't really impressed. The graphics are definitely smooth, but I'm pretty sure there are a handful of high-end PCs that are able to produce graphics close to this. If this is the full extent of the GPU, then in 2 or 3 years, PC gaming will have surpassed the PS4 making it a pretty much useless buy, especially if you already had a PS3

[LexiKhan]

To be honest I don't think there is a fully built and ready PS4 console. All they have shown are game developers. I bet they don't even have it made.

They throw out a couple of software tweaks and showoff some games and that's it.

It will be slapped together. It's hardly an upgrade over the PS3 and I think they know this.

Yeah. I'm switching between the post-conference in Gametrailers and the T-Wolves game and I'm pretty sure the Watchdogs developers mentioned that the demo was being run from a PC. Who knows how many (if not all) were the same?

[che guevara]

i doubt the videos shown are anywhere near their max computing power. That being said, I wasn't really impressed. The graphics are definitely smooth, but I'm pretty sure there are a handful of high-end PCs that are able to produce graphics close to this. If this is the full extent of the GPU, then in 2 or 3 years, PC gaming will have surpassed the PS4 making it a pretty much useless buy, especially if you already had a PS3
High end PCs are already capable of more, without question. The best GPU on the market costs $1000, while the entire PS4 is unlikely to be any more than $500.

Top end PCs had clearly surpassed both the PS3 and 360 before they were even released, it's the same case now.

[B-Low]

Pretty much. I'm sure I'll buy one of the main consoles eventually but definitely not right away and maybe not even during their first 2 years.

I already have my blu-ray needs met with the PS3 and there is more than enough PC gaming to satisfy that. I don't see the value in dishing out $400-500 for what, IMO, looks like a marginal upgrade based on what we've seen and read.

Cosign on all parts. I'm definitely a PS fanboy, I won't lie. I've had Playstation, Playstation 2, PSP and Playstation 3 without buying any other consoles in between, but PS4 probably won't be gettin my business til at least a year or so in.

Especially after what happened with my first PS3. I had the 40 gig model and the blu ray reader died in it (which pretty much made it a very expensive DVD player) and when I called about it they said "oh yeah that was an issue we had with a lot of the 40 gigs. If you just mail it in then we can fix it for $200 plus shipping". So I spent like $600 on the system 3 months after launch, have it for a year, it breaks due to something they ADMIT was their fault, then they say they'll fix it for another $200?? So I woulda paid $800 total for a refurbished system basically :coleman:

Always wait for the second wave. Half the problems, half the price (and usually a better looking/less bulky model)

[Qwyjibo]

Sony (PS3) got my business mostly based on two things. Blu-ray and free online.

For this gen, it'll probably come down to price/value and technical stability. It seems like both Sony and Microsoft will have along the same lines in terms of technology. Most of the top games will be multi-platform anyways so there isn't much of a difference there.

[sommervilleCdn]

Next generation of console gaming has so many more POLYGONS :banana:
https://www.youtube.com/user/PlayStation

check the 1080p streams, so much more fidelity over the crappy streams that were found

[sommervilleCdn]

to quote a source. This guy said it so much better than I can ever do:

". To quote Uncle Ben, with great power comes great responsibility. I'm simultaneously nervous and excited about what all this added potential will do to dev times, game budgets, staff sizes resource allocation... Could mean a whole lot of new jobs for folks, but it could also mean it's just way harder to make games, to put it simply. Eventually, I think, and pretty soon as a matter of fact, tech is going to taper off--not because things can't get better, but simply because at a certain point, all the work necessary to take full advantage of the immense technology will start to pay off proportionately less in terms of profit margin."

[MeLO MvP 15]

I remember when the 360, PS3 and Wii came out, they all caught my attention and I had to have 'em. Idk if I've changed or not, but I'm really not seeing much here. I hope the Xbox 720 is sick because I want something new for this next generation.

Don't get me wrong, the PS4 will probably be amazing... but it looks like it'll be some time before there are enough games that make me upgrade.

[9erempiree]

Next generation of console gaming has so many more POLYGONS :banana:
https://www.youtube.com/user/PlayStation

check the 1080p streams, so much more fidelity over the crappy streams that were found

Those are cinema and cut scenes.

Game play will look average.

[embersyc]

Well since the next gen consoles will officially just be PCs that only run proprietary software, PC Gaming has officially won.

By the time it's released its hardware will already be outdated.

[che guevara]

Well since the next gen consoles will officially just be PCs that only run proprietary software, PC Gaming has officially won.

By the time it's released its hardware will already be outdated.
In a sense, the hardware is outdated already. It's just not possible for a $400-$500 console to match a high end PC.

[9erempiree]

I don't play games like I use to and if I were to play, I would probably get a gaming PC to be honest. There is so much you can do to a computer versus a console.

[tomtucker]

does this mean the end of gamestop stores ?........alot of people out of work ?

[hoopaddict08]

does this mean the end of gamestop stores ?........alot of people out of work ?

That is bound to happen. Games need to be downloaded or streamed. I hate the fact that my Xbox tips over and my disc is destroyed.

[LexiKhan]

PS4 will not block used games

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-02-21-sony-tells-eurogamer-playstation-4-will-not-block-used-games

[Qwyjibo]

That is bound to happen. Games need to be downloaded or streamed. I hate the fact that my Xbox tips over and my disc is destroyed.
Not when ISPs (at least here in Canada) have download/upload caps and ridiculous pricing for extra bandwidth.

[kentatm]

That is bound to happen. Games need to be downloaded or streamed. I hate the fact that my Xbox tips over and my disc is destroyed.


then dont knock it over?


and screw them making everything downloadable.

with that you will never be able to lend a game to a buddy, will be tied to a single console, and will never get fair price drops for older games.

and if its all streaming? you will never truly own what you paid for and once they move on to something else all the shit you bought will vanish into cyberspace. F that too.

[Clyde]

Not when ISPs (at least here in Canada) have download/upload caps and ridiculous pricing for extra bandwidth.

Where in Canada do you live. I live in SK and have no idea what you're talking about.

[ErhnamDjinn]

it sucks that everything is going into a cloud or online shit, I live in a 3rd world country and our net here sucks, I even have a hard time playing on my ps3 online, and from the looks of it the new Ps4 needs a high bandwidth high speed DSL service.

[tomtucker]

then dont knock it over?


and screw them making everything downloadable.

with that you will never be able to lend a game to a buddy, will be tied to a single console, and will never get fair price drops for older games.

and if its all streaming? you will never truly own what you paid for and once they move on to something else all the shit you bought will vanish into cyberspace. F that too.

yes to all above........i am used to getting fukked when selling games......but it is still better then not getting fukked at all.........:rant

[Draz]

So the live stream is today? Their making the PS4 like a PC?

[AlphaWolf24]

So the live stream is today? Their making the PS4 like a PC?


it was yesterday..

ike a PC in the sense of the OS....

[bdreason]

i doubt the videos shown are anywhere near their max computing power. That being said, I wasn't really impressed. The graphics are definitely smooth, but I'm pretty sure there are a handful of high-end PCs that are able to produce graphics close to this. If this is the full extent of the GPU, then in 2 or 3 years, PC gaming will have surpassed the PS4 making it a pretty much useless buy, especially if you already had a PS3


My PC I built a year ago will crush the PS4 in performance. That said, I'll still probably buy one for exclusives and sports games.

[Budadiiii]

RIP Sony

[Kungfro]

they showed us the controller and told us what will be inside.

all they had to do was put up a picture of a box on screen and nobody would complain and somehow they f'd that up

The look of it doesn't really have any meaningful effect on what the console does though. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if the design wasn't set in stone yet, since it's not being released until the holidays.


Where in Canada do you live. I live in SK and have no idea what you're talking about.

Most internet providers in Canada have a monthly cap on downloads. Oddly enough Sasktel doesn't, and I actually didn't mind their service when I was out there.

[bladefd]

Games need to be downloaded or streamed. I hate the fact that my Xbox tips over and my disc is destroyed.

I absolutely hate that too. I remember my Mass Effect disc got destroyed when one of my 5yr old cousin was over. He runs across the room to watch me play Mass Effect and runs straight into the xbox (do not ask me how he misses the huge xbox standing up with the lights and sounds on in front of him). BHAM!

It flips over, disc slides into the side off the track and xbox makes a huge scratching sound. DEAD DISC. My cousin leaves laughing because he thought it was funny. I had to pull the badly scratched disc with pair of pliers.

[TheMarkMadsen]

I absolutely hate that too. I remember my Mass Effect disc got destroyed when one of my 5yr old cousin was over. He runs across the room to watch me play Mass Effect and runs straight into the xbox (do not ask me how he misses the huge xbox standing up with the lights and sounds on in front of him). BHAM!

It flips over, disc slides into the side off the track and xbox makes a huge scratching sound. DEAD DISC. My cousin leaves laughing because he thought it was funny. I had to pull the badly scratched disc with pair of pliers.


Destroy something he loves

[Just2McFly]

Yeah, a lot of the games they showed as launch titles for the PS3 came way too late and were underwhelming (most notably GT5, FFXIII and Tekken 6). That and the 600$ price tag gave them too much of a slow start.

Let's see what they bring this time around.
I do not know WHY people continually, without fail, believe Sony when it comes to launch titles. ESPECIALLY when it comes to Gran Turismo. That game has never come on time, ever. You guys need to smarten up for real.

[Heavincent]

I absolutely hate that too. I remember my Mass Effect disc got destroyed when one of my 5yr old cousin was over. He runs across the room to watch me play Mass Effect and runs straight into the xbox (do not ask me how he misses the huge xbox standing up with the lights and sounds on in front of him). BHAM!

It flips over, disc slides into the side off the track and xbox makes a huge scratching sound. DEAD DISC. My cousin leaves laughing because he thought it was funny. I had to pull the badly scratched disc with pair of pliers.

Maybe you should have had your xbox on a shelf or something? That's what I've always done so shit like that doesn't happen.

[Draz]

Their making games for the console that didnt come out yet? How does that work out? They make it for PC and port it over or something? Can't be because some exclusives aren't for PC..

[sommervilleCdn]

Those are cinema and cut scenes.

Game play will look average.

We know for sure now, that killzone was indeed running in real time. Did You really thinkh that the japanese, will fail in the graphic department?. Also remember that like the ps3; look at their game during initial launch, and how much it has improved 6yrs later. -They tapped into every last drop of hardware/software that the ps3 can muster. Games on ps3 today are leaps and bounds better than, atleast graphically than early on during its life cycle. (i.e god of war ascension ..coming in march :bowdown: No doubt the same would be true with PS4

This is gameplay being demoed on jimmy fallon ...sweeet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGlu3e9kdks

/thank you ps4 based god

[kentatm]

Their making games for the console that didnt come out yet? How does that work out?

:hammerhead:

they gave development kits out awhile back

how else do you think there are games on the shelf day 1?

[kentatm]

They tapped into every last drop of hardware/software that the ps3 can muster.

highly doubtful

[sommervilleCdn]

Yeah I stand corrected on that point..your right Kentm..the ps3 is kinda an anachronism...but alteast, now that they are using building a system on an X86 platform. Developers can breath alittle easier, since they no longer have to deal with the inherent ps3 bottlnecks...wich i don't really know how to explain because its above my pay scale.

[ace23]

I wouldn't doubt it, but maybe not that soon

they have to drop the price now or everyone will just hold out...
Haven't seen any price drops. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough.

[ace23]

I wouldn't doubt it, but maybe not that soon

they have to drop the price now or everyone will just hold out...
No drop yet, and I asked someone at Gamestop about this; he said the price probably wouldn't drop until the PS4 comes out. Why must you always talk out of your ass?

[Just2McFly]

No drop yet, and I asked someone at Gamestop about this; he said the price probably wouldn't drop until the PS4 comes out. Why must you always talk out of your ass?
you asked someone at game stop? :oldlol: :oldlol:

look at the trends and think about economics, sony is going to want to move units asap so that they can clear inventory and profit.... a price cut is coming before the ps4 is out

[ace23]

you asked someone at game stop? :oldlol: :oldlol:

look at the trends and think about economics, sony is going to want to move units asap so that they can clear inventory and profit.... a price cut is coming before the ps4 is out
p-tiddy said there would be a price drop soon two months ago.

[Just2McFly]

p-tiddy said there would be a price drop soon two months ago.
soon is an indefinite term, but a price drop is imminent. i'm expecting one as well.

[Kungfro]

you asked someone at game stop? :oldlol: :oldlol:

look at the trends and think about economics, sony is going to want to move units asap so that they can clear inventory and profit.... a price cut is coming before the ps4 is out

I could see a price cut happening only after the PS4 is out. Sony didn't stop making the PS2 until January of this year, I imagine the PS3 will follow a similar trend, so clearing inventory isn't really an issue.

[Just2McFly]

I could see a price cut happening only after the PS4 is out. Sony didn't stop making the PS2 until January of this year, I imagine the PS3 will follow a similar trend, so clearing inventory isn't really an issue.
PS2 got a price cut the year PS3 came out.

And IIRC, PS1 was the same way.

Like I said guys, follow trends. I'm well aware that Sony is the best at supporting their former consoles, but you have to understand that they don't want themselves and retailers having a shit load of them sitting around. Product gotta move.

[ace23]

I'll cut pt some slack since he only said "after today" and that could technically mean any time in the future.