Its baffling how Tony Parker isn't the favorite for MVP

[iDunk]

It really is.

Sure LeBron is crazy efficient this season.

But the Spurs have the best record with Duncan & Ginobili missing significant time this season. Parker is putting up 21 PPG/3 RPG/8 APG on 54% FG, 38% 3P, & 84% FT. Talking about efficiency 54% from the field is much more impressive for a PG than 57% for a SF that's built like a tank.

I'd like to see the Spurs play with Duncan & Ginobili, but without Parker & see how they fare. I bet the results would be much different than they are with Duncan & Ginobili being out & Parker leading the team.

Its gonna be a crime when LeBron wins another MVP when Tony Parker & his Spurs are having this kind of season. Even I'm tired of the Spurs never getting any recognition anymore.

[Orlando Magic]

Eat a ****ing dick you ****ing ******. You're a ****ing retarded ****. Yes, I'm ****ing mad. **** you.

[Nick Young]

Best PG in the league the past 3 seasons BY FAR. A full tier above the others. Criminally underrated.

[Orlando Magic]

**** you too, ******.

[bmd]

It isn't baffling. LeBron is having a crazy good year.

57% fg%, 27.2 ppg, 8.2 reb, 7.0 ast, 1.7 stl, 0.8 blk

Vs. Parker's:

54% fg%, 21.2 ppg, 3.0 reb, 7.7 ast, 0.9 stl, 0.1 blk.


I mean, if you think about it, LeBron is playing pg better than Parker, and he isn't even a pg! 27 pts, 7 ast, and nearly 2 steals sounds like amazing point guard stats... Then add in the fact that he has 8 rebounds per game, 1 block, and is shooting 57%... He is dominating Parker in every statistical category except for assists, and even in that category LeBron is right up there with him.

I mean Holy ****.

It's actually just the opposite... how can you think Parker is having a better season?

[Mr Exlax]

It really is.

Sure LeBron is crazy efficient this season.

But the Spurs have the best record with Duncan & Ginobili missing significant time this season. Parker is putting up 21 PPG/3 RPG/8 APG on 54% FG, 38% 3P, & 84% FT. Talking about efficiency 54% from the field is much more impressive for a PG than 57% for a SF that's built like a tank.

I'd like to see the Spurs play with Duncan & Ginobili, but without Parker & see how they fare. I bet the results would be much different than they are with Duncan & Ginobili being out & Parker leading the team.

Its gonna be a crime when LeBron wins another MVP when Tony Parker & his Spurs are having this kind of season. Even I'm tired of the Spurs never getting any recognition anymore.


How many categories does Parker lead his team in vs how many Lebron does?

[Yao Ming's Foot]

It isn't baffling. LeBron is having a crazy good year.

57% fg%, 27.2 ppg, 8.2 reb, 7.0 ast, 1.7 stl, 0.8 blk

Vs. Parker's:

54% fg%, 21.2 ppg, 3.0 reb, 7.7 ast, 0.9 stl, 0.1 blk.


I mean, if you think about it, LeBron is playing pg better than Parker, and he isn't even a pg! 27 pts, 7 ast, and nearly 2 steals sounds like amazing point guard stats... Then add in the fact that he has 8 rebounds per game, 1 block, and is shooting 57%...

Holy ****.

It's actually just the opposite... how can you think Parker is having a better season?

Spurs 44-12
Heat 38-14

Did anybody think that Derick Rose had the best stats when he won MVP?

[tikay0]

Lebron's #'s take a wet, hot, steamy, dripping, salty, massive, huge, egregious dump on Parker's stats.

[NumberSix]

Lol. What happened to KD being MVP? Lol. King James haters desperately wanting it to be anyone but the King

[NumberSix]

Spurs 44-12
Heat 38-14

Did anybody think that Derick Rose had the best stats when he won MVP?
No, and nobody thinks Rose was the MVP that season either.

Rose's MVP = complete joke.

[DuMa]

simply put if you swapped both players into each other's teams and situations, the Heat wouldnt be title contenders, while the Spurs wouldnt miss a beat with LBJ.

Its the system and the coaching that makes the Spurs great, not TP mainly.

[Clippersfan86]

People discrediting Rose may have a point because he wasn't the best player BUT he had a hell of a lot more of a case than Parker this year.

25 ppg, 7.7 apg, 4 rpg, 1 spg>>>>>>>>>>> 21 ppg, 7.7 apg, 3 rpg, 1 spg. Not to mention Rose actually did carry his team at times and had no second option equal to current Duncan or Manu. Not to mention Lebron this year is better than Lebron of 2010 when Rose won it. Same with Durant. In other words... Parker has no case. The Spurs also didn't have a 21 win turnaround like the Bulls did. They have consistently been good even without Parker being the man.

[DaSeba5]

It isn't baffling. LeBron is having a crazy good year.

57% fg%, 27.2 ppg, 8.2 reb, 7.0 ast, 1.7 stl, 0.8 blk

Vs. Parker's:

54% fg%, 21.2 ppg, 3.0 reb, 7.7 ast, 0.9 stl, 0.1 blk.


I mean, if you think about it, LeBron is playing pg better than Parker, and he isn't even a pg! 27 pts, 7 ast, and nearly 2 steals sounds like amazing point guard stats... Then add in the fact that he has 8 rebounds per game, 1 block, and is shooting 57%... He is dominating Parker in every statistical category except for assists, and even in that category LeBron is right up there with him.

I mean Holy ****.

It's actually just the opposite... how can you think Parker is having a better season?

/Thread

[bmd]

Spurs 44-12
Heat 38-14

Did anybody think that Derick Rose had the best stats when he won MVP?1. So what? They both have fantastic records. Spurs lead the West, Heat lead the East. It isn't as if LeBron is on a cellar-dweller putting up those numbers. He's on one of the top 3 teams in the league.

2. Derrick Rose's past MVP has absolutely nothing to do with this season.

[LikeABosh]

It's baffling how you think Parker deserves it over Lebron.

[NumberSix]

Durant was much closer (in terms of value) to LeBron last year than Parker is to LeBron this year.

[Sakkreth]

It really is.

Sure LeBron is crazy efficient this season.

But the Spurs have the best record with Duncan & Ginobili missing significant time this season. Parker is putting up 21 PPG/3 RPG/8 APG on 54% FG, 38% 3P, & 84% FT. Talking about efficiency 54% from the field is much more impressive for a PG than 57% for a SF that's built like a tank.

I'd like to see the Spurs play with Duncan & Ginobili, but without Parker & see how they fare. I bet the results would be much different than they are with Duncan & Ginobili being out & Parker leading the team.

Its gonna be a crime when LeBron wins another MVP when Tony Parker & his Spurs are having this kind of season. Even I'm tired of the Spurs never getting any recognition anymore.

So LeBron doesn't deserve mvp because he's built like a tank ?

[Yao Ming's Foot]

1. So what? They both have fantastic records. Spurs lead the West, Heat lead the East. It isn't as if LeBron is on a cellar-dweller putting up those numbers. He's on one of the top 3 teams in the league.

2. Derrick Rose's past MVP has absolutely nothing to do with this season.

Of course Rose's MVP has something to do with voting this season. Its called history. How else do you decide player X should win the MVP this year if you don't consider what and how MVP award winners were given out in the past :facepalm

[livinglegend]

They have the best record because of the system. Spurs gave Heat a hard time without Duncan, Ginobli and Parker. Heat were coasting, but still. Also, the Spurs beat Chicago with Parker, Duncan and Ginobli. Their MVP is Popovich.

[LikeABosh]

So LeBron doesn't deserve mvp because he's built like a tank ?
Yea, didn't you here? You gotta equate body size into MVP consideration. :oldlol:

[Yao Ming's Foot]

They have the best record because of the system. Spurs gave Heat a hard time without Duncan, Ginobli and Parker. Heat were coasting, but still. Also, the Spurs beat Chicago with Parker, Duncan and Ginobli. Their MVP is Popovich.

Yes the vague "system" gave Tony Parker more wins while Lebron is playing the best 2, 3 and 4 in the league. :oldlol:

[NumberSix]

Yes the vague "system" gave Tony Parker more wins while Lebron is playing the best 2, 3 and 4 in the league. :oldlol:
Lol. Tony Parker isn't the MVP. Deal with it. Quit Hatin'

[tikay0]

People discrediting Rose may have a point because he wasn't the best player BUT he had a hell of a lot more of a case than Parker this year.

25 ppg, 7.7 apg, 4 rpg, 1 spg>>>>>>>>>>> 21 ppg, 7.7 apg, 3 rpg, 1 spg. Not to mention Rose actually did carry his team at times and had no second option equal to current Duncan or Manu. Not to mention Lebron this year is better than Lebron of 2010 when Rose won it. Same with Durant. In other words... Parker has no case. The Spurs also didn't have a 21 win turnaround like the Bulls did. They have consistently been good even without Parker being the man.

Good post.

[bmd]

Of course Rose's MVP has something to do with voting this season. Its called history. How else do you decide player X should win the MVP this year if you don't consider what and how MVP award winners were given out in the past :facepalmWhat I am saying is using a random year when Derrick Rose won to justify your case is meaningless. I can find many many more years that justifies mine.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

What I am saying is using a random year when Derrick Rose won to justify your case is meaningless. I can find many many more years that justifies mine.

A random year :facepalm

3 out of the last 4 MVPs played on teams with the highest regular season record.

[bmd]

Also... most valuable player, meaning who is the most valuable player in the NBA. Who is the guy that people would most desire on their team. Who is the guy that GM's would be most willing to pay for. Who is the most sought after player in the league? Not who is most valuable to their own team, but who is the league's most valuable basketball player?

It's clearly LeBron James.

[PJR]

OP is a fakkit. And so is Yao Mings Foot(we already knew that). LeBron's 4th MVP is a virtual lock.

Next.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Also... most valuable player, meaning who is the most valuable player in the NBA. Who is the guy that people would most desire on their team. Who is the guy that GM's would be most willing to pay for. Who is the most sought after player in the league? Not who is most valuable to their own team, but who is the league's most valuable basketball player?

It's clearly LeBron James.

That might be what you wish it to mean but that's not how its actually been awarded historically.

[bmd]

A random year :facepalm

3 out of the last 4 MVPs played on teams with the highest regular season record.Correlation does not imply causation. 3 of the past 4 MVP's being on the best team means nothing.

What happened with that other MVP? Why was it not 4 of 4?

[jimmy77x]

Lebron stans would be on suicide watch if their lord james didn't win it this year :lol

[Fatstogey]

Best PG in the league the past 3 seasons BY FAR. A full tier above the others. Criminally underrated.
But not MVP talk. Not as long as Lebron lives. If Lebron wasnt on planet earth? Maybe then. But naw.

[bmd]

That might be what you wish it to mean but that's not how its actually been awarded historically.Yes it has. It is virtually impossible to measure valuability on their team relative to other's valuability to their team.

[Jailblazers7]

Spurs 44-12
Heat 38-14

Did anybody think that Derick Rose had the best stats when he won MVP?

All i see here is the reason Pop should be COY.

[DMV2]

Correlation does not imply causation. 3 of the past 4 MVP's being on the best team means nothing.

What happened with that other MVP? Why was it not 4 of 4?
Along with MVP-caliber stats, you just have to be in a top 2 seeded team in your respective conferences. Not necessarily best NBA record. Preferably on a #1 seed team though but there's been two MVPs since 2000 that were on #2 seeds.

[Mr. Incredible]

OP acting like a girl again. Deal with it.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Correlation does not imply causation. 3 of the past 4 MVP's being on the best team means nothing.

What happened with that other MVP? Why was it not 4 of 4?

If being on the best team means nothing. Please explain how Derick Rose took home 98% of 1st place votes a couple of years ago.

[bmd]

All i see here is the reason Pop should be COY.Yep. Just a week ago the Spurs sat Parker, Duncan and Ginobili, and they beat the Bulls by 14. When they sat all of them earlier in the season, they lost to Miami by only 5.

[DMAVS41]

If being on the best team means nothing. Please explain how Derick Rose took home 98% of 1st place votes a couple of years ago.

What you are missing is the "unexpected" factor. If the Spurs had sucked last year and then Parker had led them to this season he'd probably get the MVP.

Expectations play a big role.

Expectations, level of play, team record, signature moments...etc. It also matters how better your record is. If it's a meaningless 2 games or something it just isn't enough to trump superior individual play. If the Spurs win like 10 more games than the Heat and Thunder...that might do it.

Expectations though...that is what you are missing.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Yes it has. It is virtually impossible to measure valuability on their team relative to other's valuability to their team.

That's why Shaq and Kobe have the same number of MVPs as Iverson, Rose and Dirk and less than Nash. :facepalm

[DMAVS41]

That's why Shaq and Kobe have the same number of MVPs as Iverson, Rose and Dirk and less than Nash. :facepalm

When did Kobe really deserve MVP and not get it? I honestly can't think of one year.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

What you are missing is the "unexpected" factor. If the Spurs had sucked last year and then Parker had led them to this season he'd probably get the MVP.

Expectations play a big role.

Expectations, level of play, team record, signature moments...etc. It also matters how better your record is. If it's a meaningless 2 games or something it just isn't enough to trump superior individual play. If the Spurs win like 10 more games than the Heat and Thunder...that might do it.

Expectations though...that is what you are missing.

You expected to the Spurs to have a better record than the Heat at this point in the season? I didn't. :confusedshrug:

[Yao Ming's Foot]

When did Kobe really deserve MVP and not get it? I honestly can't think of one year.

He didn't "deserve" it because his teams record wasn't worthy. That's the point.

[DMAVS41]

You expected to the Spurs to have a better record than the Heat at this point in the season? I didn't. :confusedshrug:

It's not about that. It's about the fact that nobody is surprised that the Spurs a great record. When Rose won...it was in large part because the Bulls blew expectations out of the water.

Are we really going to sit here and say it is crazy that the Spurs might win 63 games or something given the last 2 years?

[DMAVS41]

He didn't "deserve" it because his teams record wasn't worthy. That's the point.

Exactly. And Lebron's team record is absolutely worthy of him getting MVP. Do you honestly dispute that?

[bmd]

That's why Shaq and Kobe have the same number of MVPs as Iverson, Rose and Dirk and less than Nash. :facepalmBut I thought the best player on the best team always wins?

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Exactly. And Lebron's team record is absolutely worthy of him getting MVP. Do you honestly dispute that?

Lebron being a worthy candidate doesn't mean that Parker is not one. Parker is a worthy candidate as well. They only give out 1 MVP.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

But I thought the best player on the best team always wins?

Are you arguing against yourself now?

[Pursuer]

You know what, I think Barkley said it best.

MVP is for the guy who had the best regular season. Overall. Not just statistically or team-based.

In that case Parker might just be a better candidate to challenge LeBron than Durant. And to be honest, MVP is basically just that.

[DMAVS41]

Lebron being a worthy candidate doesn't mean that Parker is not one. Parker is a worthy candidate as well. They only give out 1 MVP.

Of course he's worthy...he just won't get it unless something crazy happens. And rightfully so.

Lebron is having simply too good of an individual season to give it to a clearly worse player in Parker because the Spurs might win a handful more games than the Heat.

It's just not enough.

[NumberSix]

A random year :facepalm

3 out of the last 4 MVPs played on teams with the highest regular season record.
Yeah, and 3 of the last 4 MVPs were LeBron James. That doesn't mean being LeBron james is the #1 criteria. That's the the way it's shaped up.

[TylerOO]

The record differential is not big enough to take it from LeBron. LeBrons stats are so much better.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Of course he's worthy...he just won't get it unless something crazy happens. And rightfully so.

Lebron is having simply too good of an individual season to give it to a clearly worse player in Parker because the Spurs might win a handful more games than the Heat.

It's just not enough.

Lebron was having great seasons in 2008 and 2010 as well. :confusedshrug:

[bmd]

Are you arguing against yourself now?No, try to keep up. You have been implying that the MVP should go to the best player on the best team. Then how did Nash win the MVP in 2006? How did Iverson win in 2001?

[NumberSix]

Of course he's worthy...he just won't get it unless something crazy happens. And rightfully so.

Lebron is having simply too good of an individual season to give it to a clearly worse player in Parker because the Spurs might win a handful more games than the Heat.

It's just not enough.
Especially when you consider that Miami has a better record against the West then the Spurs do.

[greymatter]

Spurs win because they're deep, well-coached, and have a top 5 offense and defense. The fact that they can regularly beat good teams without Duncan, Gino, and/or Parker is a testament to Popovich's greatness at getting the most out of his players.

Pistons finished with 64 wins in 2006. You won't find anyone who isn't a retard argue that Billups, Big Ben, or Rip Hamilton was deserving of MVP.

The fact that it took injuries to Derrick Rose and dropoffs from the likes of Dirk, Westbrook, Deron Williams, and Dwight Howard in order for Parker to crack the top 10 for the first time in his career shows that he has no business being mentioned in any non-retard's MVP conversation.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

No, try to keep up. You have been implying that the MVP should go to the best player on the best team. Then how did Nash win the MVP in 2006? How did Iverson win in 2001?

I didn't say should or always. I said based on history team wins play a major factor and its probably the most significant statistic followed by points. Field goal percentage would be #36523 .

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Spurs win because they're deep, well-coached, and have a top 5 offense and defense. The fact that they can regularly beat good teams without Duncan, Gino, and/or Parker is a testament to Popovich's greatness at getting the most out of his players.

Pistons finished with 64 wins in 2006. You won't find anyone who isn't a retard argue that Billups, Big Ben, or Rip Hamilton was deserving of MVP.

The fact that it took injuries to Derrick Rose and dropoffs from the likes of Dirk, Westbrook, Deron Williams, and Dwight Howard in order for Parker to crack the top 10 for the first time in his career shows that he has no business being mentioned in any non-retard's MVP conversation.

He was top 5 last year and likely top 3 this year. :confusedshrug:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Legit candidate. No doubt. Lebron is playing like he's on another planet though; it's really his to lose.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Spurs win because they're deep, well-coached, and have a top 5 offense and defense. The fact that they can regularly beat good teams without Duncan, Gino, and/or Parker is a testament to Popovich's greatness at getting the most out of his players.

Pistons finished with 64 wins in 2006. You won't find anyone who isn't a retard argue that Billups, Big Ben, or Rip Hamilton was deserving of MVP.

The fact that it took injuries to Derrick Rose and dropoffs from the likes of Dirk, Westbrook, Deron Williams, and Dwight Howard in order for Parker to crack the top 10 for the first time in his career shows that he has no business being mentioned in any non-retard's MVP conversation.

Billups finished 5th in MVP voting in 2006. Apparently all the retards are voting and all the experts who know what the MVP really mean are stuck on message boards. :confusedshrug:

[bmd]

I didn't say should or always. I said based on history team wins play a major factor and its probably the most significant statistic followed by points. Field goal percentage would be #36523 .You are wrong. Things don't take place in a vacuum. It's all relative. FG% might usually be low on the list... but not when it is abnormally high like LeBron's. You take that into account. If the Bulls sucked, then Rose plays amazingly and now he Bulls are the best team in the NBA, you take that into account.

You take all of it into account to decide who the MVP should be. They may or may not be on the best team. It's all relative and different each year. That is why taking into account what happened when other people won in the past is meaningless, because circumstances change.

[NumberSix]

Billups finished 5th in MVP voting in 2006. Apparently all the retards are voting and all the experts who know what the MVP really mean are stuck on message boards. :confusedshrug:
Oh, experts like Chris Broussard? :roll:

This dude just said this week that he didn't want to vote for LeBron because he already had 3 MVPs. Yeah, that sounds like some great EXPERT analysis. :oldlol:

[NumberSix]

When Parker sits out, does it honestly make that much of a difference? Are the Spurs really a drastically different team? Don't be foolish.

[rknine15]

Ppl need to relax the OP has some valid points, however Lebron stats are insane and he will most likely get the MVP.

[NumberSix]

Isn't it funny how nobody has spoken a fcukin' word all season about Parker being MVP.

All of the sudden when it becomes clear that Durant won't be able to take it from The King, here comes the "Tony Parker for MVP" campaign out of the woodwork.

You guys might as well stop frontin' and just argue "Please, anybody but LeBron James. I can't take another one"

[Lebron23]

Ppl need to relax the OP has some valid points, however Lebron stats are insane and he will most likely get the MVP.


This

/End Thread.

Miami will beat the Spurs in 4 games if they meet in the Finals this year.

[NumberSix]

This

/End Thread.

Miami will beat the Spurs in 4 games if they meet in the Finals this year.
3 games...... Each game will be out of reach within 3 quarters. 12 quarters.

[SilkkTheShocker]

LeBron haters desperately jumping from bandwagon to bandwagon just to keep LeBron from winning his 4th MVP.

Melo for MVP!!!

Durant for MVP!!!


Now its Tony Parker for MVP!!!!


Go figure, Yao Ming's Foot, also known as one of the biggest Kobe d.ickriders on the board would be all over Parker being MVP.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

I never said Tony Parker should be MVP just figured if people were posting stats we might as well post the stat that matters most in MVP voting. Sorry if that upset you. :confusedshrug:

[arifgokcen]

Lebron in Feb . 30.2ppg on .66%fg .46%3fg .81%ft 7.6rpg 6.7apg.
Record 9-1

wow
and there is this thread

[JBrizzy]

The strength of the San Antonio Spurs is not Tony Parker. It's the guys not even on the court. Gregg Popovich is the mostly likely guy down there to win an award. But more than that, the front office is very good. People talk about the Spurs being the best run team in all sports. They have been a very successful franchise. Tony Parker is just benefiting from that system.

[Kurosawa0]

LeBron James is the MVP. Any other player getting it is one of the worst choices in NBA history.

[greymatter]

He was top 5 last year and likely top 3 this year. :confusedshrug:

Talking about overall value as a player, regardless of team success. Not about the actual vote tally in the MVP balloting.

[ProfessorMurder]

simply put if you swapped both players into each other's teams and situations, the Heat wouldnt be title contenders, while the Spurs wouldnt miss a beat with LBJ.

Its the system and the coaching that makes the Spurs great, not TP mainly.

What? The Heat would still be the best in the East. Parker, Wade, Bosh, come on. Parker and Wade would compliment each other more than LeBron and Wade.

[thefatmiral]

lebron stats are better, but parker is playing below the rim, and isn't the strongest, fastest and most athletically gifted player ever, considering what tony does with his attributes he should be ranked above lebron, skill wise.

[DatAsh]

Isn't it funny how nobody has spoken a fcukin' word all season about Parker being MVP.

All of the sudden when it becomes clear that Durant won't be able to take it from The King, here comes the "Tony Parker for MVP" campaign out of the woodwork.

You guys might as well stop frontin' and just argue "Please, anybody but LeBron James. I can't take another one"

Unfortunately, I think this gets to the root of it.

[greymatter]

Billups finished 5th in MVP voting in 2006. Apparently all the retards are voting and all the experts who know what the MVP really mean are stuck on message boards. :confusedshrug:

The fact that he finished 5th doesn't advance your argument. If anything, it makes it worse. He only got 15 first place votes out of 125. He had more 3rd, 4th, and 5th place votes. He had fewer 1st place votes than guys whose teams won 54, 50, and 47 games. Best player on the best team could only manage 5th place and it was about where he was expected to finish because he was never anything remotely close to a superstar level talent.

Tony Parker is better than Billups was, but not enough so to make a case higher than 4th place in voting.

[pauk]

Parker wasnt even considered a top 10 MVP contender during any time of the season.... not until when Duncan got injured, yes Duncan was injured for a couple of games, but before that it was Duncan who was the MVP favorite of that team (was a top 10 MVP contender alot) and even played like the DPOY favorite remember? Lebron never had that problem, he was the MVP of his team every single game and the best defensive player of his team and was a top 2-3 MVP contender the whole season...... he just has to do MUCH more than Parker on both ends of the floor for his team to be that successful .... he is more VALUABLE....

At this moment Parker is where he deserves to be, TOP 3 mvp contender (behind Durant and way behind Lebron) but thats as far it goes and should go.... then i assume Duncan will maybe regain that honor he had before he got injured and erase Parkers MVP case like he has done most of the season...

[Graviton]

This situation is much different from Rose in 2011.

Lebron had prime Wade putting up similar stats to his own back then, Rose had no other all-stars on his team but a better record than the Heat and was 3-0 vs Miami in the regular season. Bulls defense was important but Rose was the offense all by himself and won them games in many 4th quarters.

Now Lebron is putting up crazy numbers and if you actually watch Heat games he is completely controlling the pace of the game on both ends, Miami is easily destroying elite teams while still playing at 70% for 3 quarters. While Wade is now clearly less of a force than in 2011. His stats and minutes are down and so is his health and consistency. Lebron is carrying much bigger load beyond the stats.

Spurs are doing their usual dissecting of poorly coached teams due to Popovich, even when Parker/Duncan/Ginobili are out, their role players own good teams with fundamental basketball. Parker isn't the biggest reason for their amazing offensive execution, but he is still important. He is an MVP candidate but Pop should be credited even more.

Lebron on the other hand is what makes Heat so good, they struggle when he is on the bench, which you can't say for the Spurs without Parker. Lebron's impact on both defense and offense is on a historical level, just watching the past 8-10 games you can see his presence completely changing the dynamics of the game. No team is able to stop or slow him down at this point.

Parker probably jumped over Durant to #2 in the MVP race, but no one is going to dethrone Lebron if he keeps playing at this insane level til the end of the season. :bowdown:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

It's baffling how retarded OP is. He's 3rd right now behind Lebron and Durant. People see someone play well once on national tv and proclaim them MVP.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

This situation is much different from Rose in 2011.

Lebron had prime Wade putting up similar stats to his own back then, Rose had no other all-stars on his team but a better record than the Heat and was 3-0 vs Miami in the regular season. Bulls defense was important but Rose was the offense all by himself and won them games in many 4th quarters.

Now Lebron is putting up crazy numbers and if you actually watch Heat games he is completely controlling the pace of the game on both ends, Miami is easily destroying elite teams while still playing at 70% for 3 quarters. While Wade is now clearly less of a force than in 2011. His stats and minutes are down and so is his health and consistency. Lebron is carrying much bigger load beyond the stats.

Spurs are doing their usual dissecting of poorly coached teams due to Popovich, even when Parker/Duncan/Ginobili are out, their role players own good teams with fundamental basketball. Parker isn't the biggest reason for their amazing offensive execution, but he is still important. He is an MVP candidate but Pop should be credited even more.

Lebron on the other hand is what makes Heat so good, they struggle when he is on the bench, which you can't say for the Spurs. Lebron's impact on both defense and offense is on a historical level, just watching the past 8-10 games you can see his presence completely changing the dynamics of the game. No team is able to stop or slow him down at this point.

Parker probably jumped over Durant to #2 in the MVP race, but no one is going to dethrone Lebron is he keeps playing at this insane level til the end of the season. :bowdown:

Great post.

2011 was a weak year for mvp where as 2013 is a strong year. And still 2011 rose > current parker.

[secund2nun]

Anyone who thinks that Parker is MVP over Lebron is either:

1. A Lebron hater
2. A low bball IQ fan
3. A spurs fan
4. A threatened Kobe dick rider.

[secund2nun]

If being on the best team means nothing. Please explain how Derick Rose took home 98% of 1st place votes a couple of years ago.

Because voters hated Lebron because of the decision. The hate is over and Lebron's 2013 season is even far superior than the 2011 season.

Lebron will win his 4th MVP. It's okay. Accept it and move on. No one is within miles of Lebron.

[inclinerator]

lebron stats are better, but parker is playing below the rim, and isn't the strongest, fastest and most athletically gifted player ever, considering what tony does with his attributes he should be ranked above lebron, skill wise.
that may be true but he is probably one of the quickest nba players

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Because voters hated Lebron because of the decision. The hate is over and Lebron's 2013 season is even far superior than the 2011 season.

Lebron will win his 4th MVP. It's okay. Accept it and move on. No one is within miles of Lebron.

That doesn't explain why they chose Rose over every other player not named Lebron. :confusedshrug:

[Yao Ming's Foot]

The fact that he finished 5th doesn't advance your argument. If anything, it makes it worse. He only got 15 first place votes out of 125. He had more 3rd, 4th, and 5th place votes. He had fewer 1st place votes than guys whose teams won 54, 50, and 47 games. Best player on the best team could only manage 5th place and it was about where he was expected to finish because he was never anything remotely close to a superstar level talent.

Tony Parker is better than Billups was, but not enough so to make a case higher than 4th place in voting.

The man got multiple 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th place votes. He was clearly in the MVP conversation. It was only his team record that pushed him in there. His stats alone don't merit any votes. :confusedshrug:

[secund2nun]

That doesn't explain why they chose Rose over every other player not named Lebron. :confusedshrug:

1. Lebron hatred was at an all time high. They did not want to give him the MVP so they gave it to Rose. Today not that many people hate Lebron so they have no problem giving it to him.

2. Lebron's 2013 season is insane.

3. The media lied and pretended that Rose carried Chicago (which is BS). This BS fueled combined with the Lebron hate fueled him to win the MVP. The Spurs are Tim Duncan's team, not Parkers. Duncan is the best player on that team.

Lebron is a lock for the MVP.

[greymatter]

The man got multiple 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th place votes. He was clearly in the MVP conversation. It was only his team record that pushed him in there. His stats alone don't merit any votes. :confusedshrug:

Apparently you have no clue that Tony Parker isn't remotely what anyone would call a superstar level talent and that fact alone is what will and should prevent him from being a favorite to win MVP. Just being in the conversation means jack shit. The thread title specifically says "a favorite", which TP has absolutely no case for over the likes of KD and LBJ. Technically Elton Brand was "in the conversation" by virtue of having a vote in 2006.

[pauk]

Its just team basketball man, deep & balanced team, there was 3 guys playing better than him tonight... 4 guys with almost 20 points, 6 guys in double figures.... Tim Duncan with his return is already starting to regain his title as the best player on that team aswell

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Apparently you have no clue that Tony Parker isn't remotely what anyone would call a superstar level talent and that fact alone is what will and should prevent him from being a favorite to win MVP. Just being in the conversation means jack shit. The thread title specifically says "a favorite", which TP has absolutely no case for over the likes of KD and LBJ. Technically Elton Brand was "in the conversation" by virtue of having a vote in 2006.

I wasn't responding to the thread title I was responding to your post. Your exact words.

" he has no business being mentioned in any non-retard's MVP conversation"

He's clearly in the conversation and his "case" is centered around his team record. Sorry if that upsets you. :confusedshrug:

[Hoopz2332]

Parker has no chance in hell to even be considered above lebron for MVP. Got this from another board not including games from 2/23, comparing Lebron to Parker

Pro Parker post


I think Parker deserves it more. Manu and Duncan have missed a lot of games, and Parker has clearly been the best player on the best team in the league. It's about time he's rewarded for that. People also seem to ignore just how great Wade and Bosh have been this season.

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I personally dislike the "best player on the best team argument" as it doesn't accurately reflect a player's value to his team. You're kidding yourself if you think the Spurs without Parker are worse than the Heat without Lebron. I'll post it again:

Lebron On-Off:
11.2 ORtg On Court
-6.8 ORtg Off Court
18.0 ORtg Net On-Off

Parker On-Off:
11.1 ORtg On Court
5.0 ORtg Off Court
6.1 ORtg Net On-Off

Truth is, Coach Pop has an amazing ability to make the most out of his players as well as designing an efficient offensive system. Also, Tim Duncan is having a resurgent year that we should not overlook when considering the Spurs' success. Parker is fighting Chris Paul for the best PG in the league, but to say that he's more instrumental to the Spurs' success than Lebron is to the Heat's is absurd. If Lebron finishes the year at the rate he's been producing since recovering from his ankle injury 18 games ago, this is arguably a top 3 peak year of any player in NBA history.


Lebron has this on lock:biggums:

[Clippersfan86]

Just like I expected.. not a big drop off when Spurs are without Parker.

[Hoopz2332]

Great article comparing Parker vs lebron impactwise on their teams.


2012-13 NBA Most Valuable Player: LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Tony Parker

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1540762-2012-13-nba-most-valuable-player-lebron-james-kevin-durant-tony-parker


[quote]Player Efficiency Rating. Probably the most popular among metrics that most people lean on to determine who the best player is. This involves a complicated formula that determines a player's per-minute productivity.

While Parker has a great PER, at 24.7 (fourth overall), LeBron James is king at 31.5.

If you look at their APER (Alternate PER), which is adjusted for actual assisted and unassisted field goals (last updated February 10th), Parker's efficiency jumps up to 27.04. However, as you might surmise, James' numbers curve upward as well. He tops out at a smooth 32.31

Win Shares. The estimated amount of wins that a player contributes to their team's win total.

Tony Parker, for as awesome as he has been, has a win share total of 8.8 right now (fifth overall). So, he is personally responsible for 8.8 of his team's 44 wins