The Where Does Hakeem Rank Thread PROVES ISH Has Lowest Possible B-Ball Knowledge

[Euroleague]

I have always known the level of basketball knowledge here was very low, and exceptionally, even shockingly low, when it comes to international basketball......

but that Hakeem rank thread has really opened my eyes.

Seeing how many people actually can claim Duncan and Shaq were better centers than Hakeem was.

It's sad to say it, but this forum even has a lower basketball knowledge than realgm, and that is almost impossible to even fathom. Nonetheless it's true.

Seriously.........Hakeem freaking Olajuwon was an unbelievable beast. The guy was the biggest freak ever played in NBA.

He was vastly superior to any players like Garnett, Duncan, Robinson and so forth. Dude was the best offensive player in the NBA and the best defensive player in the NBA, in both cases by miles.

He's clearly by far and away, I mean by a country mile and then some - the best center in the history of worldwide basketball. And it's not even freaking close.

Now, this isn't a guy that played a long time ago like Chamberlain or Russell, or even a guy that played in a more modern era but in Europe, like Sabonis or something.

There is no excuse for this level of insane and ludicrous ridiculousness as what is in that thread. A lot of people barely ranking Hakeem even in a top 10 list..................

The guy played in NBA, and his prime was just in the 90s, in the same exact freaking time Jordan's prime was. Now, how can this same forum, and the same freaking people, all seem to know every minute detail about Jordan, and yet not know one freaking thing about Olajuwon?

It is absolute proof that none of these fools ever saw a damn one of these guys playing and just lie about it. Not just did they not see Bird or Magic or whatever, it's that they didn't even see Jordan or Olajuwon play.

Anyone that would ever have seen prime Olajuwon playing and that would dare even to compare guys like Duncan, Robinson, Shaq or whatever to him would be truly insane or high on drugs.

To anyone that saw this guy play, you are such an unbelievable ****ing JOKE to even compare Hakeem to these players.

The only ****ing guy that ever even dared **** with Jordan in the last 20 years is Hakeem. PERIOD.

I see all these ****ing dumb asses saying LeBron James is better than Hakeem?

:lol :oldlol: :roll: :rolleyes: :facepalm

This site is a god damn embarrassment and JOKE. LeBron is not even ****ing in the conversation with prime Hakeem.

Just let it be known, 90% of the people here are total clowns and posers and completely full of shit. Not only do they not know a god damn thing about international basketball - the truth is they don't know a god damn thing about the NBA either.

[bmd]

Euroleague; dr

[maybeshewill13]

Tl;dr

Arkansas

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Dude you think Spanoulis is better thAn Parker/Paul/rose/westbrook/Bryant/irving/everyone not lebron or kd. You're not exactly one to speak about Bball knowledge.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Best post OPs ever made.

I actually agree

[DMAVS41]

I saw most all of them play and I'd take Duncan to start a franchise over Hakeem every time.

Either way...it's absolutely not clear cut.

[NumberSix]

Didn't win. FLAWSIN"

[NBASTATMAN]

Hakeem is the best I have ever seen.. :rockon:

[Deuce Bigalow]

It's pretty funny that Lebron kids think he will pass Hakeem with a second ring :oldlol:

[CavaliersFTW]

It's pretty funny that Lebron kids think he will pass Hakeem with a second ring :oldlol:
Wilt > Hakeem

[Dro]

GREAT THREAD...I agree with everything you said...I would +rep but I don't think it would matter much, lol..

[maybeshewill13]

It's pretty funny that Lebron kids think he will pass Hakeem with a second ring :oldlol:
He'll pass Kobe.

[2010splash]

This guy is definitely mentally retarded. Anyone who thinks prime Hakeem is better than current LeBron likely has an IQ below 80. :roll: :roll:

[ZeN]

Hakeem is the best I have ever seen.. :rockon:
Why did you go blind right after?

[Deuce Bigalow]

Wilt > Hakeem
Yeah I agree.

[LikeABosh]

EuroGoat Anthony Parker>>

[2010splash]

It's pretty funny that Lebron kids think he will pass Hakeem with a second ring :oldlol:
Present a logical argument as to why he wouldn't.

LeBron's 2 rings = Hakeem's 2 rings.

LeBron's 4 MVPs destroy Hakeem's 1 MVP.

LeBron "about to have ten 30+ PER seasons" = more dominant player than Hakeem "career average 24 PER" Olajuwon

LeBron's 57 FG% as a SF = utterly mind blowing and more impressive than any offensive number Hakeem ever put up.

Put down the pipe kiddies. LeBron is far better than Hakeem. Quit living in the past. :oldlol:

[CavaliersFTW]

Yeah I agree.
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[NBASTATMAN]

Why did you go blind right after?


Name another big with his all around play and dominance? Name another big that could defend on the ball , off the ball, and whose post game was as great as Hakeems'. Duncan has won titles with much more talent around him and so has Shaq.. :wtf:

[Deuce Bigalow]

He'll pass Kobe.
:oldlol:

[Euroleague]

Name another big with his all around play and dominance? Name another big that could defend on the ball , off the ball, and whose post game was as great as Hakeems'. Duncan has won titles with much more talent around him and so has Shaq.. :wtf:

You see, THIS is a person that actually DID see Hakeem play.

[wakencdukest]

It's all a matter of opinion. It has nothing to do with basketball knowledge. Ranking players is a never ending argument, especially when comparing different eras.

[Big#50]

I have always known the level of basketball knowledge here was very low, and exceptionally, even shockingly low, when it comes to international basketball......

but that Hakeem rank thread has really opened my eyes.

Seeing how many people actually can claim Duncan and Shaq were better centers than Hakeem was.

It's sad to say it, but this forum even has a lower basketball knowledge than realgm, and that is almost impossible to even fathom. Nonetheless it's true.

Seriously.........Hakeem freaking Olajuwon was an unbelievable beast. The guy was the biggest freak ever played in NBA.

He was vastly superior to any players like Garnett, Duncan, Robinson and so forth. Dude was the best offensive player in the NBA and the best defensive player in the NBA, in both cases by miles.

He's clearly by far and away, I mean by a country mile and then some - the best center in the history of worldwide basketball. And it's not even freaking close.

Now, this isn't a guy that played a long time ago like Chamberlain or Russell, or even a guy that played in a more modern era but in Europe, like Sabonis or something.

There is no excuse for this level of insane and ludicrous ridiculousness as what is in that thread. A lot of people barely ranking Hakeem even in a top 10 list..................

The guy played in NBA, and his prime was just in the 90s, in the same exact freaking time Jordan's prime was. Now, how can this same forum, and the same freaking people, all seem to know every minute detail about Jordan, and yet not know one freaking thing about Olajuwon?

It is absolute proof that none of these fools ever saw a damn one of these guys playing and just lie about it. Not just did they not see Bird or Magic or whatever, it's that they didn't even see Jordan or Olajuwon play.

Anyone that would ever have seen prime Olajuwon playing and that would dare even to compare guys like Duncan, Robinson, Shaq or whatever to him would be truly insane or high on drugs.

To anyone that saw this guy play, you are such an unbelievable ****ing JOKE to even compare Hakeem to these players.

The only ****ing guy that ever even dared **** with Jordan in the last 20 years is Hakeem. PERIOD.

I see all these ****ing dumb asses saying LeBron James is better than Hakeem?

:lol :oldlol: :roll: :rolleyes: :facepalm

This site is a god damn embarrassment and JOKE. LeBron is not even ****ing in the conversation with prime Hakeem.

Just let it be known, 90% of the people here are total clowns and posers and completely full of shit. Not only do they not know a god damn thing about international basketball - the truth is they don't know a god damn thing about the NBA either.
Another troll account to get traffic. Boring.

[nathanjizzle]

hakeem is better than shaq, i dont know about tim duncan.

[Dro]

This guy is definitely mentally retarded. Anyone who thinks prime Hakeem is better than current LeBron likely has an IQ below 80. :roll: :roll:
You have no credibility..you're nothing but a Lebron stan....borderline stalker probably...

[CP3MVP]

Shaq, Duncan and Hakeem are all top 10 players, so it's not that crazy to see people have varying orders in which they rank them. And the top X GOAT lists take into account more than individual talent; careers, accomplishments, etc.

It's not like they're saying Yao Ming is better than Hakeem. Shaq was an incredibly talented and dominant player, especially at his peak, so the comparisons there are warranted.

[DMV2]

Going by skills, Hakeem is probably the greatest center of all-time. But rankings aren't solely based on skills.

[Euroleague]

Going by skills, Hakeem is probably the greatest center of all-time. But rankings aren't solely based on skills.

When someone says "Duncan, Shaq, etc. was better than Hakeem", they are obviously talking about the skills of the player.

They are not saying that this player is ranked higher because. They are saying "this guy was a better player".

[Shepseskaf]

I agree with the OP. Hakeem is ridiculously underrated on ISH. Most of the all-time top 10 lists I've seen leave him out, which is ludicrous.

[CavaliersFTW]

When someone says "Duncan, Shaq, etc. was better than Hakeem", they are obviously talking about the skills of the player.

They are not saying that this player is ranked higher because. They are saying "this guy was a better player".
A players effectiveness >>>>> Skill

I don't care how pretty Hakeem's game looks due to his skill, he is NOT more effective at scoring than peak Wilt, Kareem or Shaq because he is not 7-1+ w/o shoes with freakish wingspan/leap/reach/mass/etc. He's a 6-10 250lb center with above average but not spectacular athleticism and decent length, therefore he needed those skills to be nearly as offensively effective as guys like Wilt, Kareem, or Shaq. Just because he's more skilled doesn't mean that at the end of the day he's more effective or a better player. Effectiveness is the bottom line, and guys with less skill can be more effective if they have tools of their own that Hakeem lacked at their disposal.

[diamenz]

i'd rather watch hakeem than boring, overrated lebron anyday.

[alleykat]

i'd rather watch hakeem than boring, overrated lebron anyday.

you'd watch him sit down and analyze?

[SpecialQue]

"Put prime Kobe on prime Hakeem's Rockets..."

[LilEddyCurry]

Who can take you seriously when you think Euroleague is superior to the NBA. Your opinions will always be invalid on this forum.

[Cherry Picker]

Hakeem is the best PFOAT

[SpecialQue]

OP's face is red as hell screaming at his computer.

[CeltsGarlic]

Hakeem these days would murder any center. He was very intelligent defender and obviously offensive juggernaut with the best posts skills ever.

[CavaliersFTW]

OP's face is red as hell screaming at his computer.
OP's neck is red as hell:

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[shaq2000]

If any version of Hakeem faced Shaq in 2000-02, Shaq would destroy him. Sorry.

[SpecialQue]

If any version of Hakeem faced Shaq in 2000-02, Shaq would destroy him. Sorry.

What if they faced each other in 1995?

[shaq2000]

What if they faced each other in 1995?

Not gonna indulge that hypothetical.

[teddytwelvetoes]

Not gonna indulge that hypothetical.:biggums: :roll:

[madmax]

Not gonna indulge that hypothetical.

gotta admit, this cracked me up:lol :roll:

[bdreason]

All-time rankings are a combination of peak, prime, longevity, personal, and team accomplishments. While many may consider Hakeem to have a superior peak and/or prime, both Duncan and Shaq have twice as many titles as Hakeem, which can't be ignored in determining all-time rank.


If want to create a 'most skilled' all-time list, I'm sure plenty would rank Hakeem above Duncan and Shaq.

[SpecialQue]

Not gonna indulge that hypothetical.

Nicely played. :applause:

[FindingTim]

I hear you, EuroLeague. Hakeem was unbelievable. If not for his career coinciding with Michael Jordan's era, we would talk about Hakeem as a guy who- for a considerable stretch- was both the best offensive and best defensive player in the league. that is super ****ing impressive.

I ranked Duncan one slot higher because he has twice as many championships, and did it in an era when the western conference was LOADED. There was a five year stretch when the 6th seed in the west would have been a championship favorite in another random year.

In terms of peak play, Hakeem is right at the top. In fact, if we were drafting players for a pickup game where every player was at their peak, I would probably select Hakeem Olajuwon first overall; higher than Jordan, higher than Magic, higher than Russell, higher than prime (MDE) Shaq. He was that good.

But when it comes to all-time rankings, I have to factor in the whole career, and that's why I have Hakeem slotted one spot after Tim Duncan.

[Euroleague]

A players effectiveness >>>>> Skill

I don't care how pretty Hakeem's game looks due to his skill, he is NOT more effective at scoring than peak Wilt, Kareem or Shaq because he is not 7-1+ w/o shoes with freakish wingspan/leap/reach/mass/etc. He's a 6-10 250lb center with above average but not spectacular athleticism and decent length, therefore he needed those skills to be nearly as offensively effective as guys like Wilt, Kareem, or Shaq. Just because he's more skilled doesn't mean that at the end of the day he's more effective or a better player. Effectiveness is the bottom line, and guys with less skill can be more effective if they have tools of their own that Hakeem lacked at their disposal.

You are a freaking dumb ass. Hakeem was a better scorer than any of those guys. Chamberlain was just physically overwhelming for the most part. Shaq just offensive fouled every time he touched the ball.

Kareem had the sky hook, but other than that, he wasn't Hakeem level. Anyone that says Shaq was a better scorer than Hakeem is a ****ing retard.

And what the hell do you mean by above average athleticism? How much meth have you done today? Hakeem could defend freaking two guards on the perimeter. You are totally delusional.

[Euroleague]

I hear you, EuroLeague. Hakeem was unbelievable. If not for his career coinciding with Michael Jordan's era, we would talk about Hakeem as a guy who- for a considerable stretch- was both the best offensive and best defensive player in the league. that is super ****ing impressive.

I ranked Duncan one slot higher because he has twice as many championships, and did it in an era when the western conference was LOADED. There was a five year stretch when the 6th seed in the west would have been a championship favorite in another random year.

In terms of peak play, Hakeem is right at the top. In fact, if we were drafting players for a pickup game where every player was at their peak, I would probably select Hakeem Olajuwon first overall; higher than Jordan, higher than Magic, higher than Russell, higher than prime (MDE) Shaq. He was that good.

But when it comes to all-time rankings, I have to factor in the whole career, and that's why I have Hakeem slotted one spot after Tim Duncan.

I don't understand that logic. Hakeem out of his prime years was better than prime Duncan. Simply being in a great winning team, shouldn't make Duncan a better all time player than Hakeem.

If this is the case, then Bill Russell has to be universally ranked ahead of Jordan, Bird, Kareem, Magic also.

[CavaliersFTW]

You are a freaking dumb ass. Hakeem was a better scorer than any of those guys. Chamberlain was just physically overwhelming for the most part. Shaq just offensive fouled every time he touched the ball.

Kareem had the sky hook, but other than that, he wasn't Hakeem level. Anyone that says Shaq was a better scorer than Hakeem is a ****ing retard.

And what the hell do you mean by above average athleticism? How much meth have you done today? Hakeem could defend freaking two guards on the perimeter. You are totally delusional.
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[Big#50]

I don't understand that logic. Hakeem out of his prime years was better than prime Duncan. Simply being in a great winning team, shouldn't make Duncan a better all time player than Hakeem.

If this is the case, then Bill Russell has to be universally ranked ahead of Jordan, Bird, Kareem, Magic also.
I bet Duncan would have similar stats playing in the 80's and 90's. Duncan played in a grind it out, half court offense. Spurs liked to slow the game down. Yet he still had sick stats. Bet Duncan would look spectacular going up against a stage frightened David Robinson.

[PrettyCool]

I'm new here, and it may just be me. But is this Euroleague guy a huge a huge fagggot?

[ZaaaaaH]

You are a freaking dumb ass. Hakeem was a better scorer than any of those guys. Chamberlain was just physically overwhelming for the most part. Shaq just offensive fouled every time he touched the ball.

Kareem had the sky hook, but other than that, he wasn't Hakeem level. Anyone that says Shaq was a better scorer than Hakeem is a ****ing retard.

And what the hell do you mean by above average athleticism? How much meth have you done today? Hakeem could defend freaking two guards on the perimeter. You are totally delusional.




No Doubt Hakeem is much more Skilled with variety of moves but that does not equal Dominance.

Most of Hakeem moves were 1vs1 Moves these are the reason like you kids get fooled with Nice LOOKING moves and Effective moves. As for Shaq it might not look Pretty but He was so Dominant they had to Double or Triple just about 80%-85% Shaq touched the ball on top of that Shaq was a Willing passer and a good one at that which made him much more Dangerous.

I love Hakeem and no doubt he is a Differnt type of breed as for a Big but that does not make him a better player just more talented and crafty thats all.

Kobe is more skilled then Jordan but Jordan is still more Dominant due to his Physicality just like Hakeem is more skilled then Shaq but Shaq is just much much more Dominant during his Prime.

Bottom line ur a tard for looking down on Shaq's Dominance.

[Euroleague]

No Doubt Hakeem is much more Skilled with variety of moves but that does not equal Dominance.

Most of Hakeem moves were 1vs1 Moves these are the reason like you kids get fooled with Nice LOOKING moves and Effective moves. As for Shaq it might not look Pretty but He was so Dominant they had to Double or Triple just about 80%-85% Shaq touched the ball on top of that Shaq was a Willing passer and a good one at that which made him much more Dangerous.

I love Hakeem and no doubt he is a Differnt type of breed as for a Big but that does not make him a better player just more talented and crafty thats all.

Kobe is more skilled then Jordan but Jordan is still more Dominant due to his Physicality just like Hakeem is more skilled then Shaq but Shaq is just much much more Dominant during his Prime.

Bottom line ur a tard for looking down on Shaq's Dominance.

What the hell are you talking about? Shaq's "moves" were offensive fouls that the refs allowed him to do.

Yao Ming even lowered his shoulder one time and he would get a technical foul.

Bottom line, you are a stupid moron that falls for NBA fake reffing and marketing schemes.

[CavaliersFTW]

I'm new here, and it may just be me. But is this Euroleague guy a huge a huge fagggot?
yes

[Euroleague]

I'm new here, and it may just be me. But is this Euroleague guy a huge a huge fagggot?

:confusedshrug:

[LikeABosh]

What the hell are you talking about? Shaq's "moves" were offensive fouls that the refs allowed him to do.

Yao Ming even lowered his shoulder one time and he would get a technical foul.

Bottom line, you are a stupid moron that falls for NBA fake reffing and marketing schemes.
Can I just ask why you always still post on here if everyone knows you're a ****ing retard and you hate the NBA so much?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

He's both underrated and overrated. Hakeem is NOT better than Russell, Wilt or Kareem. Shaq is arguable. He gets underrated when people think Duncan was a better defender and/or scorer. That's laughable.

[FindingTim]

What the hell are you talking about? Shaq's "moves" were offensive fouls that the refs allowed him to do.

Yao Ming even lowered his shoulder one time and he would get a technical foul.

Bottom line, you are a stupid moron that falls for NBA fake reffing and marketing schemes.

Shaq was quite skilled and very athletic. If his size was the only reason he dominated, why isn't Eddy Curry an all-time great? how about Ralph Sampson?

Shaq was incredibly agile for his size. he was far more than just a big body.
And the reason I rank Hakeem higher than Shaq is that although Shaq was more dominant offensively, Hakeem was a significantly better defender.

After reading more of this thread, most of your posts ooze resentment and anger. I'm not sure if it's a gimmick to get attention, but it's quite unpleasant. The negative vibes are pretty overwhelming, I'm outta here.

[millwad]

I bet Duncan would have similar stats playing in the 80's and 90's. Duncan played in a grind it out, half court offense. Spurs liked to slow the game down. Yet he still had sick stats. Bet Duncan would look spectacular going up against a stage frightened David Robinson.

Bitch, please...

Duncan would not have done anywhere close to what Olajuwon did to DRob, in fact, Duncan has never outplayed a great center like Robinson, like Hakeem did.

Duncan is the same guy who even couldn't stop Young Amare..

[ShaqAttack3234]

What the hell are you talking about? Shaq's "moves" were offensive fouls that the refs allowed him to do.

This is a perfect example of why you're a joke. Shaq had a nice skill set which included a very consistent jump hook, which he used the glass well on when he was at the angle and from '98 on or so, was pretty consistent with the short turnaround jumper over his right shoulder. That's all he needed with the dunks and lay ups he got due to his size. He could go over either shoulder from about 10 feet and in. And who is going to stop a 7'2", 340 pound man from getting 10 feet from the basket. In addition to that, he had very good footwork for a 7 footer and would regularly execute nice spin moves and drop steps.

Here's a sequence of Shaq in 3 consecutive trips down the floor where you can see how the short turnaround over his left shoulder(which was not his preferred shot) added to his game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFpljMcxhJ4#t=6m30s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFpljMcxhJ4#t=7m10s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFpljMcxhJ4#t=7m45s

You can also see intelligence on his part as he's aware of Kidd who was an excellent help defender and passes out and re-posts. Plus, on the last possession with Longley expecting the turnaround, he gives him a fake to get the easier shot.

Other than free throws, the only offensive skill Shaq didn't have was a true mid-range jump shot, and I wouldn't want a guy his size shooting 18 footers when he could get a higher percentage shot virtually every time.

As far as the offensive foul thing. Funny how people who dislike Shaq never mention the times Shaq was fouled and didn't get the call because of his strength. I've seen guys grab his arms and shoulders when he's gone up for dunks and he hasn't gotten the call. Plus, you act like Shaq's the only superstar who has ever gotten the benefit of the doubt. Most of them do, and there are far better examples of this than Shaq.

But I know you didn't watch these guys play. You don't exactly have to be old to have watched any of their primes, particularly Shaq and Duncan, but I suspect you're a teenager who thought it'd be funny to create a gimmick which props the Euroleague up to an unrealistic level just to get a rise out of people. That's virtually the only role I suspect basketball plays in your life.

[Big#50]

Bitch, please...

Duncan would not have done anywhere close to what Olajuwon did to DRob, in fact, Duncan has never outplayed a great center like Robinson, like Hakeem did.

Duncan is the same guy who even couldn't stop Young Amare..
The Young Amare series. LoL GTFOH there was absolutely no defense player in those series' till the last minutes. Spurs beat the Suns at their own game.

[plowking]

How is Hakeem better than Wilt, Kareem, Shaq or even Russell?

His dominance on the league was never talked about like those 4 guys. Hell I even think Duncan may have a bigger claim to dominating the league over Hakeem. It honestly baffles me how anyone can come to the conclusion that Hakeem was the best center of all time. It just shows how little basketball history you've read up on, and how much of the game you've actually bothered to go study and watch.
You can say that hes the best you've seen, or the best you know of, but even that I'd find a stretch seeing as if you've seen him, you've surely seen Shaq take over the league right after that. Shaq outplayed Hakeem over the course of their careers, winning more games against him than Hakeem did against Shaq, he put up better stats, and he put an even bigger beating on him in 99 than Hakeem did on him in the 95 finals. Hakeem may have been older, but he was still an 18/10 center at the time, and he got completely shut down by Shaq in the 99 series.

There really is no case for Hakeem over Shaq, Wilt, Kareem or Russell.

[LikeABosh]

What Eurofag doesn't get is players are usually ranked cumulatively on an array of criteria. Everything from longevity, individual stats, team success, playoff performance, and rings is taken into account. For him to say Hakeem is over guys like Kareem, Bill Russell, Shaq etc and "it's not even ****ing close" is goddamn retarded.

[ZaaaaaH]

What the hell are you talking about? Shaq's "moves" were offensive fouls that the refs allowed him to do.

Yao Ming even lowered his shoulder one time and he would get a technical foul.

Bottom line, you are a stupid moron that falls for NBA fake reffing and marketing schemes.


Gosh ur so cute. How old are you? 5? 8?

Trust me kid Shaq was Fouled Much more then He fouled his opponents and thats no lie.

Dam I miss Yao but I thought we were discussing about Shaq?

Bottom line you ran out of material to give me a good objective on why Hakeem is better then Shaq, instead you came up with Refs and Yao Ming.:facepalm


Your amazing :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Dbrog]

Name another big with his all around play and dominance? Name another big that could defend on the ball , off the ball, and whose post game was as great as Hakeems'. Duncan has won titles with much more talent around him and so has Shaq.. :wtf:

Do me a favor and don't post lies anymore.

2003 Champ Spurs - Rounding up
Duncan - 25/15/5/3, 53%
Tony - 15/3/4, 40%
Stephen - 13/4/3, 41%
Manu - 9/4/3, 39%
Robinson - 8/7, 54%
Malik Rose - 9/6, 42%

1994 Champ Rockets - Rounding up
Hakeem - 29/11/4/4, 52%
Maxwell - 14/4/4, 38%
Horry - 12/6/4, 43%
Thorpe - 11/9, 57%
JET - 11/4, 46%
Cassell - 9/4, 39%

Pretty even if you ask me. Duncan's team would probably be considered significantly worse if it wasn

[ShaqAttack3234]

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Bottom line you ran out of material to give me a good objective on why Hakeem is better then Shaq, instead you came up with Refs and Yao Ming.:facepalm

There are valid reasons someone can choose Hakeem over Shaq, just don't expect them from someone with the mental capacity of Euroleague.

[ZaaaaaH]

There are valid reasons someone can choose Hakeem over Shaq, just don't expect them from someone with the mental capacity of Euroleague.

No doubt about it, Im one of the biggest fan of Hakeem and respect him as a Person but to me Shaq's Dominance can not be compare to any other player.

[Burgz V2]

I have always known the level of basketball knowledge here was very low, and exceptionally, even shockingly low, when it comes to international basketball......

but that Hakeem rank thread has really opened my eyes.

Seeing how many people actually can claim Duncan and Shaq were better centers than Hakeem was.

It's sad to say it, but this forum even has a lower basketball knowledge than realgm, and that is almost impossible to even fathom. Nonetheless it's true.

Seriously.........Hakeem freaking Olajuwon was an unbelievable beast. The guy was the biggest freak ever played in NBA.

He was vastly superior to any players like Garnett, Duncan, Robinson and so forth. Dude was the best offensive player in the NBA and the best defensive player in the NBA, in both cases by miles.

He's clearly by far and away, I mean by a country mile and then some - the best center in the history of worldwide basketball. And it's not even freaking close.

Now, this isn't a guy that played a long time ago like Chamberlain or Russell, or even a guy that played in a more modern era but in Europe, like Sabonis or something.

There is no excuse for this level of insane and ludicrous ridiculousness as what is in that thread. A lot of people barely ranking Hakeem even in a top 10 list..................

The guy played in NBA, and his prime was just in the 90s, in the same exact freaking time Jordan's prime was. Now, how can this same forum, and the same freaking people, all seem to know every minute detail about Jordan, and yet not know one freaking thing about Olajuwon?

It is absolute proof that none of these fools ever saw a damn one of these guys playing and just lie about it. Not just did they not see Bird or Magic or whatever, it's that they didn't even see Jordan or Olajuwon play.

Anyone that would ever have seen prime Olajuwon playing and that would dare even to compare guys like Duncan, Robinson, Shaq or whatever to him would be truly insane or high on drugs.

To anyone that saw this guy play, you are such an unbelievable ****ing JOKE to even compare Hakeem to these players.

The only ****ing guy that ever even dared **** with Jordan in the last 20 years is Hakeem. PERIOD.

I see all these ****ing dumb asses saying LeBron James is better than Hakeem?

:lol :oldlol: :roll: :rolleyes: :facepalm

This site is a god damn embarrassment and JOKE. LeBron is not even ****ing in the conversation with prime Hakeem.

Just let it be known, 90% of the people here are total clowns and posers and completely full of shit. Not only do they not know a god damn thing about international basketball - the truth is they don't know a god damn thing about the NBA either.

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[gengiskhan]

ISH'ers IQ level is pretty low.

Things that ISHers dont understand EVER!:

Hakeem 2 straight FMVPs are >> Kobe 2 FMVPs. Hakeem beat 1994 favorites finalist NYK & arch nemisis Ewing, a complete & all-time great Center in 7 games to win FMVP.

1995 Hakeem beat Shaq, an all-time great & Top 10 GOAT arch nemisis at center position. He actually dominated Shaq in 1995.

Hakeem had the single best NBA season in NBA history beating Oscar, Kareem, Michael Jordan etc etc when he SWEPT 1994 season's Season MVP, DPOY, FMVP (vs Ewing).

& yet. A 2008 consolation MVP winner who has never had CLEAR DOMINATION is rated higher than Hakeem, a face of his franchise because he played for LAL.

[monkeypox]

I'm sorry but Hakeem is severely overrated on the net. Did people actually follow him while he was in the league or are they basing it on youtube highlights of the dream shake. He's failed his team on many occasions, and looked like a lamb in important games. Yes he may be more skilled than shaq, but he's not better. Same as Carmelo may be more skilled than LeBron but he's definitely not better.

[DMV2]

I have a question for fans who watched the NBA during the mid-80's to early 90's (~ '85-'93). Why was Hakeem's career at that point, 9 seasons into the league, not recognized by the media as much as guys like Drexler and Ewing? NEither of those guys won a championship but it seems like those guys were more recognized than he was before the 1994 season.

I mean, there's nothing wrong with being overshadowed by Bird, Magic, Jordan, Zeke and the Bad Boy Pistons but Drexler and Ewing?

Hakeem did get beat in the 1st Round 5 times during his first 9 seasons but he also made it to the '86 Finals. That should have evened out his 1st Round woes.

[CavaliersFTW]

Hakeem's legacy just took a serious hit... f*ck you Euroleague, stick to backing up Euroscrubs :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[veilside23]

ISH'ers IQ level is pretty low.

Things that ISHers dont understand EVER!:

Hakeem 2 straight FMVPs are >> Kobe 2 FMVPs. Hakeem beat 1994 favorites finalist NYK & arch nemisis Ewing, a complete & all-time great Center in 7 games to win FMVP.

1995 Hakeem beat Shaq, an all-time great & Top 10 GOAT arch nemisis at center position. He actually dominated Shaq in 1995.

Hakeem had the single best NBA season in NBA history beating Oscar, Kareem, Michael Jordan etc etc when he SWEPT 1994 season's Season MVP, DPOY, FMVP (vs Ewing).

& yet. A 2008 consolation MVP winner who has never had CLEAR DOMINATION is rated higher than Hakeem, a face of his franchise because he played for LAL.


but the fact is hakeem wasnt able to get his ring when mj was around ...


but i agree hakeem would murder any center not named shaq and duncan...

[Euroleague]

This is a perfect example of why you're a joke. Shaq had a nice skill set which included a very consistent jump hook, which he used the glass well on when he was at the angle and from '98 on or so, was pretty consistent with the short turnaround jumper over his right shoulder. That's all he needed with the dunks and lay ups he got due to his size. He could go over either shoulder from about 10 feet and in. And who is going to stop a 7'2", 340 pound man from getting 10 feet from the basket. In addition to that, he had very good footwork for a 7 footer and would regularly execute nice spin moves and drop steps.

Here's a sequence of Shaq in 3 consecutive trips down the floor where you can see how the short turnaround over his left shoulder(which was not his preferred shot) added to his game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFpljMcxhJ4#t=6m30s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFpljMcxhJ4#t=7m10s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFpljMcxhJ4#t=7m45s

You can also see intelligence on his part as he's aware of Kidd who was an excellent help defender and passes out and re-posts. Plus, on the last possession with Longley expecting the turnaround, he gives him a fake to get the easier shot.

Other than free throws, the only offensive skill Shaq didn't have was a true mid-range jump shot, and I wouldn't want a guy his size shooting 18 footers when he could get a higher percentage shot virtually every time.

As far as the offensive foul thing. Funny how people who dislike Shaq never mention the times Shaq was fouled and didn't get the call because of his strength. I've seen guys grab his arms and shoulders when he's gone up for dunks and he hasn't gotten the call. Plus, you act like Shaq's the only superstar who has ever gotten the benefit of the doubt. Most of them do, and there are far better examples of this than Shaq.

But I know you didn't watch these guys play. You don't exactly have to be old to have watched any of their primes, particularly Shaq and Duncan, but I suspect you're a teenager who thought it'd be funny to create a gimmick which props the Euroleague up to an unrealistic level just to get a rise out of people. That's virtually the only role I suspect basketball plays in your life.


You are a troll.

[Derka]

That we have you here automatically drags the collective IQ down to untenable levels.

[Shepseskaf]

There really is no case for Hakeem over Shaq, Wilt, Kareem or Russell.
Sorry, but this is just wrong. In terms of pure bb skills, I'd put Hakeem behind only Kareem and Wilt. He's ahead of both Russell and Snaq.

Russell was the greatest winner of all-time, but let's face it, his actual skills -- aside from shot blocking -- weren't that stellar.

Snaq was simply bigger and stronger, not to mention quicker (early on, anyway) than his competition. What is the signature Snaq move? Crashing his way to the basket over a smaller, weaker opponent. What great skills did he possess?

As I said earlier in the thread, who do all of the young big men that want to improve their post games go to? Not Snaq. Nobody asks him jack.

They all go to Hakeem for instructions on how to get better in the post. His skills were so legendary, as perhaps the best post-man in the history of the game, that players will probably keep seeking out his help until he's in an old folks home.

[MisterAmazing]

lol

[Riley Martin]

I am a troll.
Nobody likes you. Why are you still here?

[MisterAmazing]

Present a logical argument as to why he wouldn't. ..

[gengiskhan]

but the fact is hakeem wasnt able to get his ring when mj was around ...


but i agree hakeem would murder any center not named shaq and duncan...

But Fact is Kobe was around in 1997 & he couldnt beat 35 yrs old MJ with Shaq on his team.

But Fact is Hakeem already MURDERED & DOMINATED 1995 Shaq who was Runner-up MVP to D'Rob & Scoring Champ in 1995 season.

Its amazing how Dumb & retarded ISHers are getting every passing day!

Hakeem atleast lost to peak prime MJ btw 1991-1993. 1997 & 1998 Kobe lost to 34 yrs old & 35 yrs old past his prime MJ.

[ShaqAttack3234]

You are a troll.

Very convincing response. :rolleyes:

You do realize that all your nonsense does is create unnecessary for a player like Hakeem. See some of the responses with people now discrediting Hakeem because of you going to extremes. And it's a shame because I do think Hakeem is underrated and a lot don't realize how good he was.


Sorry, but this is just wrong. In terms of pure bb skills, I'd put Hakeem behind only Kareem and Wilt. He's ahead of both Russell and Snaq.

In terms of just skills, Hakeem would have to rank above all of the great centers.


Snaq was simply bigger and stronger, not to mention quicker (early on, anyway) than his competition. What is the signature Snaq move? Crashing his way to the basket over a smaller, weaker opponent. What great skills did he possess?

Shaq's favorite moves were the jump hook and drop step, later, particularly during the 3peat, he added that short turnaround which was a big part of his game as well. He'd show a spin move at times and occasionally an up and under(often finished with a dunk)

Nobody is claiming Shaq was the most skilled big man of all-time, but he was quite skilled for his size. He even handled the ball unusually well for a 7 footer. His footwork in the low post was easily some of the best for a 7 footer actually and he was an excellent passer.


But Fact is Kobe was around in 1997 & he couldnt beat 35 yrs old MJ with Shaq on his team.

But Fact is Hakeem already MURDERED & DOMINATED 1995 Shaq who was Runner-up MVP to D'Rob & Scoring Champ in 1995 season.

Its amazing how Dumb & retarded ISHers are getting every passing day!

Hakeem atleast lost to peak prime MJ btw 1991-1993. 1997 & 1998 Kobe lost to 34 yrs old & 35 yrs old past his prime MJ.

You're not fooling anyone. Nobody thinks you're being serious. You know that Kobe was a teenager when Jordan was on the Bulls, I don't know why you play stupid when it's so obvious you know this.

I think that poster was referring to 3peat Shaq not 1995 Shaq as well.

Hakeem never played Jordan in the playoffs either.

[ZaaaaaH]

But Fact is Kobe was around in 1997 & he couldnt beat 35 yrs old MJ with Shaq on his team.

But Fact is Hakeem already MURDERED & DOMINATED 1995 Shaq who was Runner-up MVP to D'Rob & Scoring Champ in 1995 season.

Its amazing how Dumb & retarded ISHers are getting every passing day!

Hakeem atleast lost to peak prime MJ btw 1991-1993. 1997 & 1998 Kobe lost to 34 yrs old & 35 yrs old past his prime MJ.


Troll is loose ~

1997 Kobe was 18 :lol

Hakeem was at his absolute Prime Shaq was 2 years in. :facepalm

How do you have the balls to call other people retarded with your Logic? :wtf:

MJ Beat EVERYONE so what is your point? :confusedshrug:

[Odinn]

There is no point of bashing to Shaq or Duncan to applaud Hakeem.
Hakeem is one of the top 5 centers ever.
He is one of the top 10 players ever.
The level of play that ever reached by a player, he is top 5 probably.
He is arguably the most talented 7 footer ever.
His 1993-94 season is a strong candidate for the g.o.a.t. season by a player.

But we are talking about the greatest players ever. The things that I listed can be said for Shaq also.

[G-train]

It's pretty funny that Lebron kids think he will pass Hakeem with a second ring :oldlol:

It's pretty funny that many are witnessing a top 3 player ever and fail to see it.

[Ne 1]

What if they faced each other in 1995?

What if they faced each other in 1999?

[gengiskhan]

Troll is loose ~

1997 Kobe was 18 :lol

Hakeem was at his absolute Prime Shaq was 2 years in. :facepalm

How do you have the balls to call other people retarded with your Logic? :wtf:

MJ Beat EVERYONE so what is your point? :confusedshrug:

Damn a$re

You still did not get the point I was answering to the other moron.

If Hakeem is BLAMED for winning rings because MJ retired out of BOREDOM. MJ retired cuz he lost interest. What does Hakeem got to with it. He took over the EMPTY THRONE & DOMINATED when there were TONS OF CONTENDERS form Ewing to D'Rob to Shaq to Mourning.


If Hakeem is SINGLED OUT & HATED for WINNING in MJ's absense...

Even an 18 yrs old Kobe in 1997 MUST BE BLAMED as well for showing up too early in NBA & LOOSING TO DOMINANT GOAT not playing atleast 2 yrs of NCAA & becominging ACC player of the year & an NCAA WINNER.

Instead, Kobe chose to be LOOSE to OLD MJ in 1997 & 1998


Kobe'tards, ISHers LOGIC....

Blame Hakeem for winning & ABSOLUTELY DOMINATING LIKE A BEAST in MJs absense

PROTECT & HIDE Kobe's OWNAGE by MJ in 1997 & 1998 by saying he is 8 & 19 yrs old too young despite playing with NBA's most dominant center & playing for NBAs WINNINGEST FRANCHISE

[ZMonkey11]

A players effectiveness >>>>> Skill

I don't care how pretty Hakeem's game looks due to his skill, he is NOT more effective at scoring than peak Wilt, Kareem or Shaq because he is not 7-1+ w/o shoes with freakish wingspan/leap/reach/mass/etc. He's a 6-10 250lb center with above average but not spectacular athleticism and decent length, therefore he needed those skills to be nearly as offensively effective as guys like Wilt, Kareem, or Shaq. Just because he's more skilled doesn't mean that at the end of the day he's more effective or a better player. Effectiveness is the bottom line, and guys with less skill can be more effective if they have tools of their own that Hakeem lacked at their disposal.

Pretty much this and would rep if I could.

[ThaRegul8r]

There is no point of bashing to Shaq or Duncan to applaud Hakeem.

Unfortunately, this tactic is standard operating procedure on internet basketball forums.


He is arguably the most talented 7 footer ever.

He wasn't 7 foot. He was 6-10. By his own admission that's why he developed all his moves and countermoves in the first place, to enable him to get his shot off against taller players.