Ioannis Antetokoumpo 18 Year Old 6'9

[Euroleague]

The reports are now that NBA teams want to setup a private workout session with him, where all the NBA teams can watch him in person. Like they did with Yao Ming before he was drafted.

Physicals:

Age: 18

Position: Point Guard

Height: 6'9

[imnew09]

Nah. he won't make it.

[Donnybrook]

He looks like a smaller version of Durant. Not saying he's as good or even could be, but he definitely resembles him. If I had to bet I would say he wouldn't make it unless he's got some ungodly jump shot.

[PP34Deuce]

[QUOTE=Euroleague]The reports are now that NBA teams want to setup a private workout session with him, where all the NBA teams can watch him in person. Like they did with Yao Ming before he was drafted.

Physicals:

Age: 18

Position: Point Guard

Height: 6'9

[Euroleague]

Lol. the last tall ( 6'6 and up) PG that was actually a pure PG was Shawn Livingston... INjuries robbed him of his career, but I just dont see a tall PG working in full time capacity.

Papaloukas is 6'7" and he worked out fine.

[atljonesbro]

Whats up with the music on that video though :roll:

[HAzE024]

Lol. the last tall ( 6'6 and up) PG that was actually a pure PG was Shawn Livingston... INjuries robbed him of his career, but I just dont see a tall PG working in full time capacity.


Don't worry, Euroleague just lied.

He's a SF.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ioannis_Adetokunbo

He's just playing with and against 18 year old greek boys - of course the ball is always in his hands.

[Euroleague]

Don't worry, Euroleague just lied.

He's a SF.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ioannis_Adetokunbo

He's just playing with and against 18 year old greek boys - of course the ball is always in his hands.

He plays point guard idiot. Point guard or point forward, depending on the defense assignment. So yes, he is a point guard. The ball isn't always in his hand either you ****ing moron.

http://www.eurobasket.com/team.asp?Cntry=Greece&Team=7423&Page=3

[pauk]

Lol. the last tall ( 6'6 and up) PG that was actually a pure PG was Shawn Livingston... INjuries robbed him of his career, but I just dont see a tall PG working in full time capacity.

Shaun* Livingston was a "pure PG" only because he couldnt do anything else well at that size besides handle the ball extremly well and pass it somewhat.... and i dont think his injury robbed him much.....

Amongst active players:

Lebron James was a "6'6 and over" PG coming in to the NBA and much better at that than Livingston ever was and can do & does that as a point-forward in full-time capacity anyways (and will even start/play PG at times)..... very dominantly i would say...

Greivis Vasquez was a "6'6 and over" PG coming in to the NBA (and still is a PG) and i would say better at that than Livingston was and he is in that role at full-time capacity... right now that guy averages 9.4 apg (2nd in the NBA)

Joe Johnson was a "6'6" and over" PG coming in to the NBA and will still do alot of point-forwarding at full-time capacity, he was/is better than Livingston ever was....

Tyreke Evans was a "6'6" and over" PG coming in to the NBA and did/does start/play PG alot.... he was/is better than Livingston ever was.

[Euroleague]

Shaun* Livingston was a "pure PG" only because he couldnt do anything else well at that size besides handle the ball extremly well and pass it somewhat.... and i dont think his injury robbed him much.....

Amongst active players:

Lebron James was a "6'6 and over" PG coming in to the NBA and much better at that than Livingston ever was and can do & does that as a point-forward in full-time capacity anyways (and will even start/play PG at times)..... very dominantly i would say...

Greivis Vasquez was a "6'6 and over" PG coming in to the NBA (and still is a PG) and i would say better at that than Livingston was and he is in that role at full-time capacity... right now that guy averages 9.4 apg (2nd in the NBA)

Joe Johnson was a "6'6" and over" PG coming in to the NBA and will still do alot of point-forwarding at full-time capacity, he was/is better than Livingston ever was....

Tyreke Evans was a "6'6" and over" PG coming in to the NBA and did/does start/play PG alot.... he was/is better than Livingston ever was.

Bird, T-Mac, and Pippen also played point forward. Ron Harper also played quite a bit of point guard.

[pauk]

Bird, T-Mac, and Pippen also played point forward. Ron Harper also played quite a bit of point guard.

Well i talked about active NBA players.


"I just dont see a tall PG working in full time capacity.".

Do you know about a guy called Magic Johnson? He not only worked as a PG in full time capacity... but in higher capacity than any PG, ever... :P

[Dbrog]

Reminds me of...

http://lakers.topbuzz.com/gallery/d/28538-3/Sun+Yue+shoots+a+free+throw_001.jpg

GOAT PG AMIRITE?! :lol

[pauk]

Derailed the thread maybe a bit, but anyways... i dont know about this Ioannis guy, we shall see what happens, good luck to him.

[pauk]

Reminds me of...

http://lakers.topbuzz.com/gallery/d/28538-3/Sun+Yue+shoots+a+free+throw_001.jpg

GOAT PG AMIRITE?! :lol

Ah yea, Sun "Chinese Magic Johnson" Yue... I feel he should be given a second chance, i felt the Lakers used him incorrectly by using him off of his lifetime used position & role... He was an extremly good ballhandler and great passer to and thats it... he was meant to play PG, not SF & off the ball like Lakers used him, with very few minutes and very few occasions....

[PP34Deuce]

Well i talked about active NBA players.



Do you know about a guy called Magic Johnson?

Todays PG's are so athletic and strong. If we are talking about a player who is at the position fo PG that is 6'6 and up, he needs to have the ability to post up like Magic could, or borderline elite athleticism.

I remember Tyreke Evans was Sacs PG initially.. he was getting burned routinely at that spot.

Magic, and Lebron are exceptions to the rule. We are talking about the probability that is it successful.

Some of you brought up Joe Johnson, Tmac, etc..Theres a reason they didnt pan out full time at PG.

Shaun Livingston could not shoot, but he was a very good PG and even had good defense. I like Greivis but a healthy Livingston was on his way to being premier floor general while being 6'6-6'7

[Cherry Picker]

Shaq played some Point center in his Orlando days
Wilt played Point stat padder in the 67-68 season

[Euroleague]

BOOM BITCHES!

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/NBA-Draft-Prospect-of-the-Week-Giannis-Adetokunbo-4090

Remember, I was here FIRST. Before those hacks at DX started copying shit.

Also, the latest word in Greece is that he already had about 5 lotto teams say they will draft him with the first pick if they get it.

Oh yeah, and his brother Thanasis, he's basically the same as Iguodala, and he's said to be going in the first round also if he declares.

[Fudge]

With a name like that, he wont make it.

[JohnnySic]

I read somewhere that the Celtics were looking at this guy...

[Euroleague]

I read somewhere that the Celtics were looking at this guy...

Celtics and Lakers managers already had private meetings and workouts with him in Athens. 8 more NBA managers are scheduled to do the same in the next month.

[Euroleague]

Here is Draftexpress' scout video on him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km632hL-XCo

As you can see, he IS playing as a point guard.

[STATUTORY]

the mix in the OP is really bad. it looks like he's playing a pick up game at a ymca gym or something

[Euroleague]

the mix in the OP is really bad. it looks like he's playing a pick up game at a ymca gym or something

High school games in Greece.

[Rooster]

Ah yea, Sun "Chinese Magic Johnson" Yue... I feel he should be given a second chance, i felt the Lakers used him incorrectly by using him off of his lifetime used position & role... He was an extremly good ballhandler and great passer to and thats it... he was meant to play PG, not SF & off the ball like Lakers used him, with very few minutes and very few occasions....

This is like a post that shows you have no idea on what you talking about. Sun Yue can't handle traps and pressure. He was like a turnover waiting to happen when he has the ball. I watched his entire staccato NBA career even in garbage time and he is just not an NBA player. He was not misused, he clearly does not belong in the NBA.

[Rooster]

Lol. the last tall ( 6'6 and up) PG that was actually a pure PG was Shawn Livingston... INjuries robbed him of his career, but I just dont see a tall PG working in full time capacity.

Livingston pre injury was very explosive. I think injuries robbed him off a great career.

[Rooster]

BOOM BITCHES!

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/NBA-Draft-Prospect-of-the-Week-Giannis-Adetokunbo-4090

Remember, I was here FIRST. Before those hacks at DX started copying shit.

Also, the latest word in Greece is that he already had about 5 lotto teams say they will draft him with the first pick if they get it.

Oh yeah, and his brother Thanasis, he's basically the same as Iguodala, and he's said to be going in the first round also if he declares.

Hearsay does not mean much.:facepalm

NBA teams should not get excited with Greek prospects:no:

They usually fail in the NBA.:roll:

[FKAri]

Looks like Avery Bradley's brother.

[BrickingStar]

bust

[outbreak]

He's Nigerian, not Greek so you must hate that Euroleague. In other news he can't defend small point guards and is listed as a small forward with good ball handling skills. Average end of the bench guy likely.

[Xiao Yao You]

Ah yea, Sun "Chinese Magic Johnson" Yue... I feel he should be given a second chance, i felt the Lakers used him incorrectly by using him off of his lifetime used position & role... He was an extremly good ballhandler and great passer to and thats it... he was meant to play PG, not SF & off the ball like Lakers used him, with very few minutes and very few occasions....

I thought he might be a good fit there where Phil had used bigger players at the one and his skills should have worked on the wing in the triangle as well. He didn't really get much of a look though. He's definitely got some skills and is athletic too. He's a bit soft I'd say like Yi and Wang Zhi Zhi and other Chinese players(actually young Chinese men).


NBA teams should not get excited with Greek prospects:no:

They usually fail in the NBA


Koufos has changed that perception!

[el gringos]

Great thread

Lets hope that guy is a top 5 talent

This draft could be an interesting crap shoot

[el gringos]

Why is the spelling of his name so different?


Didn't that 6-9 Asian magic get requested instead of Marc gasol by the grizzlies in the pau trade

[nerds]

You can't teach the skills this kid has!

Not just big & athletic, but plays with a natural dominant confidence!

[Euroleague]

He's Nigerian, not Greek so you must hate that Euroleague. In other news he can't defend small point guards and is listed as a small forward with good ball handling skills. Average end of the bench guy likely.

He was born in Greece, lived his whole life in Greece. He speaks only Greek and English. He plays for Greek national teams........

His brother recently gave an interview where he said he and his brothers are GREEK.

Also, they do NOT have a Nigerian citizenship.

So he is actually a Greek of Nigerian descent. Not a Nigerian. They actually cannot even get a Nigerian passport.

So Nigerian parents and lineage, but 100% Greek nationality and culture.

[Euroleague]

Why is the spelling of his name so different?


Didn't that 6-9 Asian magic get requested instead of Marc gasol by the grizzlies in the pau trade

Because he's Greek. Draftexpress of course can't be bothered to get trivial facts like the spelling of names right. It's typical across their website.

Simple explanation, DX are lazy.

His parents come from Nigeria, where the name would be translated into English as, "Adetokunbo".

But he's a Greek and not a Nigerian citizen, (DX says he does not have Greek citizenship which isn't true, he does not have a Greek passport)

So, in the Greek hospital you would take Adetokunbo, and it becomes Antetokoumpo, since Greek language uses entirely different alphabet than English one.

If you changed it back from Greek, and then "Americanized it", it would be Adetocunbo, with a C, not a K.

First name is translated literally as "Giannis" into Latin form. Just means "John" in English. However, this is not how it is pronounced. Correct phonetic way would be, "Yannis". That would be in English known as, "Yanni" without the S, since in English you don't use the S.

However, the actual formal spelling of the name in proper English form would Ioannis.

So.......actual correct proper Greek name, should translate to Ioannis Antetokoumpo. But, informal and Latinized version of Greek common first name and Nigerian last names would be Giannis Adetokunbo, or Giannis Adetocunbo.

Since they are from Greece though, they pronounce it as GREEK way. So you pronounce his name as "Yannis Antetokumpo".

Various other spellings could be used, since Greek and Latin alphabets are different.

Basically, common, but really incorrect name can be spelled Giannis Adetokunbo or Giannis Adetocunbo. Correct proper spelling should be Ioannis Antetokpoumpo in way this is what would be translated from Greek passport to say FIBA registry.

Name is pronounced Yannis Antetokumpo, but in America, you would pronounce it Yanni Antetokumpo.

It's typical for this confusion with Greek player's names in USA. Spanoulis' name was always pronounced wrong in USA. Even Koufos' name is actually spelled wrong and is pronounced wrong in USA. Same with Nick Calalthes, etc. Hell, they even spelled Galis' name wrong in USA.

[HAzE024]

Here is Draftexpress' scout video on him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km632hL-XCo

As you can see, he IS playing as a point guard.

:16 second

http://i45.tinypic.com/28s0x78.png

[qrich]

He seems like a end of the first to mid second round prospect based off of these videos, don't see the hugely impressive part in the slightest, nor the point guard portion of things.

Marcus LoVett Jr. & Aaron Holiday impress me more and both will most likely be points in the pros (or at least 2s stuck in a points body)


Shaun* Livingston was a "pure PG" only because he couldnt do anything else well at that size besides handle the ball extremly well and pass it somewhat.... and i dont think his injury robbed him much....

Somewhat? Dude had damn good peripheral vision. I remember him making a behind the back pass while on the floor after diving for a loose ball and connecting to Ross right on the spot for an easy lay-up. He was also an above average defender who would have ended up premier at his position had he not gotten injured.

[Euroleague]

:16 second

http://i45.tinypic.com/28s0x78.png

That's just their own BULLSHIT nonsense idiot. Actually watch the damn video. he's playing POINT GUARD, just like I said.

DX is just doing their usual BULLSHIT saying he plays a different position than he really does. The video CLEARLY shows he plays POINT GUARD. JUST LIKE I SAID.

[Euroleague]

The thread for his older brother Thanasis --->

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=291969&page=1&pp=15

[AirTupac]

So Greece decided to steal Nigeria's talent because they got their ass handed to them ?

[Euroleague]

He seems like a end of the first to mid second round prospect based off of these videos, don't see the hugely impressive part in the slightest, nor the point guard portion of things.

Marcus LoVett Jr. & Aaron Holiday impress me more and both will most likely be points in the pros (or at least 2s stuck in a points body)



Somewhat? Dude had damn good peripheral vision. I remember him making a behind the back pass while on the floor after diving for a loose ball and connecting to Ross right on the spot for an easy lay-up. He was also an above average defender who would have ended up premier at his position had he not gotten injured.

You have never once been even remotely right about any European player.

[Euroleague]

So Greece decided to steal Nigeria's talent because they got their ass handed to them ?

Actually they were born and raised in GREECE. Actually, Nigeria and Spain already asked them to change nationality from Greece to play for Nigeria or Spain.

Both brothers refused, even turning down big amounts of money offered by Spain to do so. Both brothers stated they will play for Greece, the country they lived their whole life in.

Actually, you are a PIECE OF SHIT.

[AirTupac]

Actually they were born and raised in GREECE. Actually, Nigeria and Spain already asked them to change nationality from Greece to play for Nigeria or Spain.

Both brothers refused, even turning down big amounts of money offered by Spain to do so. Both brothers stated they will play for Greece, the country they lived their whole life in.

Actually, you are a PIECE OF SHIT.

They are black and they can dunk. They are not from Greece. They are STOLEN products from a GREAT basketball nation that DESTROYED Greece.

[Euroleague]

They are black and they can dunk. They are not from Greece. They are STOLEN products from a GREAT basketball nation that DESTROYED Greece.

That's funny, considering they gave an interview where they said they are not even allowed to enter into Nigeria.

And just so you know, ALL racist assholes like you will burn in hell.

[AirTupac]

That's funny, considering they gave an interview where they said they are not even allowed to enter into Nigeria.

Then why does it say on the Euroleague site that Nigeria is in the process of getting papers for BOTH brothers?

[Euroleague]

Then why does it say on the Euroleague site that Nigeria is in the process of getting papers for BOTH brothers?

Mr super racist, Nigeria does not compete in Euroleague.

[AirTupac]

Mr super racist, Nigeria does not compete in Euroleague.

And those brothers are not Greek.

[Euroleague]

And those brothers are not Greek.

They are Greek.

You are NOT black. You are NOT American.

Also, they both are already officially registered with Greece's national team. So enjoy seeing them from now on wearing the Hellas jerseys.

PS **** YOU YOU RACIST SON OF A BITCH!

[gabepizza]

They are Greek.

You are NOT black. You are NOT American.

Also, they both are already officially registered with Greece's national team. So enjoy seeing them from now on wearing the Hellas jerseys.

PS **** YOU YOU RACIST SON OF A BITCH!

Yet you have to admit is a bit funny that Greek is using Nigerian Greeks after Nigeria gave Greece it's biggest most embarssing loss in the history of Greek basketball.

Yes they are Nigerian Greeks but 9 out of the 12 players on the Nigerian team that eliminated Greece were Nigerian American, including Diogu, Dagunduro and the Aminu brothers, who are no more or less Nigerian than Antekokoumpo. They probably don't speak Nigerian either and probably only got Nigerian citizenship to play on the NT.

The ironic thing is that if Ioannis' parents emigrated to the US instead of Greece him and his brother would probably end up playing for Nigeria, but since they emigrated to Greece, which has a lot smaller pool of talented players than the US, they will play for Greece.

I'm sure all of those Nigerian American players on the Nigerian National team if they had their first choice would have chosen to play for team USA but it is hard to get a spot on a team with James and Durant, not so much on a team with Spanoulis and Bourousis.

[Lebron23]

I hope he won't end up as the next Shaun Livingston or worse the next Sun Yue.

[Euroleague]

Yet you have to admit is a bit funny that Greek is using Nigerian Greeks after Nigeria gave Greece it's biggest most embarssing loss in the history of Greek basketball.

Yes they are Nigerian Greeks but 9 out of the 12 players on the Nigerian team that eliminated Greece were Nigerian American, including Diogu, Dagunduro and the Aminu brothers, who are no more or less Nigerian than Antekokoumpo. They probably don't speak Nigerian either and probably only got Nigerian citizenship to play on the NT.

The ironic thing is that if Ioannis' parents emigrated to the US instead of Greece him and his brother would probably end up playing for Nigeria, but since they emigrated to Greece, which has a lot smaller pool of talented players than the US, they will play for Greece.

I'm sure all of those Nigerian American players on the Nigerian National team if they had their first choice would have chosen to play for team USA but it is hard to get a spot on a team with James and Durant, not so much on a team with Spanoulis and Bourousis.

They are NOT allowed to get Nigerian citizenship. They are not "using Nigerians" you ****ing racist mother****er.

Those brothers are only legally allowed to get Greek citizenship and not Nigerian citizenship. Which is why they don't have Greek passports yet, because they are not allowed to enter into Nigeria.

They were born in Greece ****ing back in the 90s. You god damn stupid racist piece of shit.

They are not eligible to play for Team USA you ****ing idiot.

And Nigeria's team had 10 Americans on it, not 9 you stupid dick.

And there is no ****ing way in hell these brothers are going to play on the senior team with Spanoulis and Bourousis you unbelievably retarded douche bag. They are NOT playing in the senior team you colossal retard.

Ioannis is in the under 20 team and Thanasis just got invited to the second team. Nothing even remotely close to the senior team idiot.

[Euroleague]

Pretty funny how USA is using Kyrie Irving on their national team. Stealing an Australian player, because they can't win any medals otherwise.

Huh, pathetic. Then again I am sure Irving would have rather played for Australia, but damn, much harder to make Australia's team with guys like Ingles and Andersen on it.

So of course he chooses to play for USA, where it will be 10 times easier to make the team.

Oh yeah and, Irving is NOT American.

[gabepizza]

They are NOT allowed to get Nigerian citizenship. They are not "using Nigerians" you ****ing racist mother****er.

Those brothers are only legally allowed to get Greek citizenship and not Nigerian citizenship. Which is why they don't have Greek passports yet, because they are not allowed to enter into Nigeria.

They were born in Greece ****ing back in the 90s. You god damn stupid racist piece of shit.

They are not eligible to play for Team USA you ****ing idiot.

And Nigeria's team had 10 Americans on it, not 9 you stupid dick.

You're not understanding what I am saying. I am saying they are Nigerian Greeks just as Nigeria's team had 10 (although I thought it was 9) Nigerian Americans who were all born in in the US back in the 80s and 90s. I am saying they really are no different than the players on the Nigerian team that beat Greece. All of them are players who are not true Nigerians but players who's parents were. The only difference is that those players were born in the US where they are not wanted on team USA, as opposed being born in Greece. I'm saying IF Ioannis' parents moved to the USA from Nigeria instead of Greece he would probably be playing on the Nigerian national team.

[gabepizza]

Pretty funny how USA is using Kyrie Irving on their national team. Stealing an Australian player, because they can't win any medals otherwise.

Huh, pathetic. Then again I am sure Irving would have rather played for Australia, but damn, much harder to make Australia's team with guys like Ingles and Andersen on it.

So of course he chooses to play for USA, where it will be 10 times easier to make the team.

Oh yeah and, Irving is NOT American.

Stupid compassion. Irving's parents were both American who went to Australia for his father to play basketball. That's like calling Bryant Italian. Or if Bobby Brown had a child child in Italy calling him Italian even if they moved back to the states after Brown retired from Euroleague. Irving left Austalian when he was 2. And yes Australia would have loved to have him, he is a dual citizen but since he is one of the best players in the world he is playing for the US.

And nonsense like saying it is 10 times easier to make Team US than the Australian team is why you are a troll and always will be a troll.

[Euroleague]

You're not understanding what I am saying. I am saying they are Nigerian Greeks just as Nigeria's team had 10 (although I thought it was 9) Nigerian Americans who were all born in in the US back in the 80s and 90s. I am saying they really are no different than the players on the Nigerian team that beat Greece. All of them are players who are not true Nigerians but players who's parents were. The only difference is that those players were born in the US where they are not wanted on team USA, as opposed being born in Greece. I'm saying IF Ioannis' parents moved to the USA from Nigeria instead of Greece he would probably be playing on the Nigerian national team.

What the **** is wrong with you? Those 10 Nigerian Americans, 10, not 9, have Nigerian passports genius. THEY HAVE NIGERIAN PASSPORTS.

The Antetokoumpo brothers do NOT have Nigerian passports, and are not legally eligible for them.

The rumor is that Nigeria's basketball federation offered them a chance to get a passport if they would play for Nigeria, but it's NOT legal. As in they cannot enter into Nigeria.

So even if they WANTED to play for Nigeria (which Thanasis already gave an interview where he said they NEVER even considered it), they CAN'T.

What part of this don't you understand?

The 10 players on Nigeria's 2012 national team were eligible for Nigerian passports and citizenship. These two players are not. They are not actually eligible to play for Nigeria's national team, as they already stated in Greek press.

Nigeria tried to get them (they didn't want to play for them anyway), but they were not even legally eligible as it turned out.

So how the **** are you going to say it's the same thing? WTF is wrong with you?

They didn't actually choose anything you idiot. They even had a problem when they went to Spain to sign contracts a few months back because they didn't have a passport.

That's where the issues first came up. They never have left Greece in their whole lives, so they didn't really know about it. But then they could not even get a passport when they needed to go to Spain to sign contracts.

So no, it's NOT "the same". Since these guys are not even eligible for Nigeria's national team and don't have any legal right to citizenship.

[Euroleague]

Stupid compassion. Irving's parents were both American who went to Australia for his father to play basketball. That's like calling Bryant Italian. Or if Bobby Brown had a child child in Italy calling him Italian even if they moved back to the states after Brown retired from Euroleague. Irving left Austalian when he was 2. And yes Australia would have loved to have him, he is a dual citizen but since he is one of the best players in the world he is playing for the US.

And nonsense like saying it is 10 times easier to make Team US than the Australian team is why you are a troll and always will be a troll.

Irving is NOT American.

[AirTupac]

Irving is NOT American.

He's American as apple pie. However Antetokoumpo is black like Nigeria (cause he's Nigerian)

[gabepizza]

What the **** is wrong with you? Those 10 Nigerian Americans, 10, not 9, have Nigerian passports genius. THEY HAVE NIGERIAN PASSPORTS.

The Antetokoumpo brothers do NOT have Nigerian passports, and are not legally eligible for them.

The rumor is that Nigeria's basketball federation offered them a chance to get a passport if they would play for Nigeria, but it's NOT legal. As in they cannot enter into Nigeria.

So even if they WANTED to play for Nigeria (which Thanasis already gave an interview where he said they NEVER even considered it), they CAN'T.

What part of this don't you understand?

The 10 players on Nigeria's 2012 national team were eligible for Nigerian passports and citizenship. These two players are not. They are not actually eligible to play for Nigeria's national team, as they already stated in Greek press.

Nigeria tried to get them (they didn't want to play for them anyway), but they were not even legally eligible as it turned out.

So how the **** are you going to say it's the same thing? WTF is wrong with you?

They didn't actually choose anything you idiot. They even had a problem when they went to Spain to sign contracts a few months back because they didn't have a passport.

That's where the issues first came up. They never have left Greece in their whole lives, so they didn't really know about it. But then they could not even get a passport when they needed to go to Spain to sign contracts.

So no, it's NOT "the same". Since these guys are not even eligible for Nigeria's national team and don't have any legal right to citizenship.

Why are they not eligible for Nigerian passports? Both their parents are Nigerian. They are the exact same as the 9 players on the Nigerian team who have Nigerian parents but were born and spent their entire lives in another country. I am not getting into the specifics of legality or anything I am just saying they are the same because they all have parents who were born in Nigeria.

[gabepizza]

Irving is NOT American.

Both of Irving's parents are American and he has lived in American since he was two years old. If you don't call people who moved to America when they were two or younger American than probably 50% of New York City is not American. But Irving is even more American than those immigrants because his parents were American.

[mattvNJ]

Irving is NOT American.
he grew up a town away from me in NJ... id say hes pretty american. Met him also at a local college pre draft and he played AAU with a friend of mine. Your a lunatic. HIs parents are american citizens who happened to relocate for work(bball).... that like saying my frined who was born in Hong kong on one of his parents business trips is chinese when hes one of the whitest most american people i know haha. You just like to argue for the sake of it.

[qrich]

You have never once been even remotely right about any European player.

Yaroslav Korolev being a bust. Check.

Alexy Shved being good enough to be a rotation guy. Check.

Sofoklis S not having stamina to remain in any NBA game (Summer League included). Check.

Zeljko Rebraca being a solid 10-15 minute backup. Check.



You were saying?

[Euroleague]

Yaroslav Korolev being a bust. Check.

Alexy Shved being good enough to be a rotation guy. Check.

Sofoklis S not having stamina to remain in any NBA game (Summer League included). Check.

Zeljko Rebraca being a solid 10-15 minute backup. Check.



You were saying?

WRONG.

[Euroleague]

Why are they not eligible for Nigerian passports? Both their parents are Nigerian. They are the exact same as the 9 players on the Nigerian team who have Nigerian parents but were born and spent their entire lives in another country. I am not getting into the specifics of legality or anything I am just saying they are the same because they all have parents who were born in Nigeria.

Why the hell do you think? Those Nigerian national team players are DUAL CITIZENS.

Antetokoumpo brothers are war refugees that fled Nigeria to Greece and renounced citizenship.

The guys from USA are simply legal immigrants, with dual citizenship. If you can't see the difference, then you really are an idiot.

[Euroleague]

He's American as apple pie. However Antetokoumpo is black like Nigeria (cause he's Nigerian)

Irving during this summer, "Lets put another shrimp on the barbie."

So nice to know that in the mind of a RACIST, nationality is determined by one's skin color.

[Euroleague]

he grew up a town away from me in NJ... id say hes pretty american. Met him also at a local college pre draft and he played AAU with a friend of mine. Your a lunatic. HIs parents are american citizens who happened to relocate for work(bball).... that like saying my frined who was born in Hong kong on one of his parents business trips is chinese when hes one of the whitest most american people i know haha. You just like to argue for the sake of it.

Nope. If Antetokpumpo brothers are not Greek, despite being born and raised their whole loves in Greece, then Irving sure the **** is no American.

Let's see here, according to ISH, Antetokoumpo brothers are "Nigerian citizens".

Even though they have no Nigerian citizenship, can't get Nigerian passports, and can't play for Nigeria's national team.

Even though they were born and raised in Greece, lived their whole lives in Greece, speak Greek, play for Greece..

These guys are "Nigerians only" according to ISH.

So then how in the hell can Kyrie Irving be American then? Born in Australia, lived their the first 2 years of his life. He's 10 times more Australian than Antetokoumpo brothers are Nigerian.

In fact, Kyrie Irving is almost as Australian as Mel Gibson is. Never once heard Mel Gibson called "American".

So if Antetokoumpo brothers are not Greek, then Irving sure the **** is no American. Not to mention many other players that played for Team USA.

Seikaly

Kerr

Ewing

Wilkins

Olajuwon

etc.

I mean the USA is REALLY a freaking joke with using foreign players. Not a single player their qualifies as American in any way, if Antetokoumpo brothers are not Greek.

[Euroleague]

Both of Irving's parents are American and he has lived in American since he was two years old. If you don't call people who moved to America when they were two or younger American than probably 50% of New York City is not American. But Irving is even more American than those immigrants because his parents were American.

Nope.

Dominique Wilkins was born in France, had French descent parents (people keep saying they were Americans are simply distorting truth - they were French who had US citizenship)............

He played in Europe because he was allowed to because he had a FRENCH passport. He was eligible to play for France's national team if he wanted to, and was asked to.

His family is French and speaks French. He even has a freaking FRENCH name.

But according to this forum, he's 100% "American". Well he's more French than Antetokoumpo brothers are Nigerian. Those brothers just speak Greek and English.

But this forum says Wilkins was pure American and all this other bullshit, but those brothers are "not Greek" and are "pure Nigerian".

You are a bunch of racist xenophobic scum.

Tony Parker was born in BELGIUM. Tony Parker's father is AMERICAN. Tony Parker has US citizenship. Tony Parker can play for Team USA, not even as a "naturalized player", but as a natural one.

Tony Parker can play for Belgium if he wanted to as a natural player.

Never ****ing once have I heard anyone here call Tony Parker "Belgian" or "American".........

I have seen dozens of people here call Hakeem "American", because "he learned to play basketball in USA, he speaks English, played for Team USA, and has US citizenship".

Seen MANY MANY people here claim Hakeem is "American" and not Nigerian, using that "logic".........

But these brothers - no ****ing way can they be considered Greek. Just pure Nigerian, even though they spent their whole lives in Greece and were born there.

Never mind that Hakeem was born in Nigeria and lived their until he was college age. Oh yeah, all minor details in the racist xenophobic world of ISH.

Keep your racist xenophobic double standards bullshit to yourself.

[Da KO King]

He was born in Greece, lived his whole life in Greece. He speaks only Greek and English. He plays for Greek national teams........

His brother recently gave an interview where he said he and his brothers are GREEK.

Also, they do NOT have a Nigerian citizenship.

So he is actually a Greek of Nigerian descent. Not a Nigerian. They actually cannot even get a Nigerian passport.

So Nigerian parents and lineage, but 100% Greek nationality and culture.

Sir...

None of the Adetokunbos have received Greek citizenship, only being able to attend public school thanks to their birth certificates.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz2MDZ5DgV3
http://www.draftexpress.com

[qrich]

WRONG.

Explain how any of those were wrong?

[CLTHornets4eva]

:oldlol:
Papaloukas is 6'7" and he worked out fine.

Your joking, right?

[CLTHornets4eva]

Nope.

Dominique Wilkins was born in France, had French descent parents (people keep saying they were Americans are simply distorting truth - they were French who had US citizenship)............

He played in Europe because he was allowed to because he had a FRENCH passport. He was eligible to play for France's national team if he wanted to, and was asked to.

His family is French and speaks French. He even has a freaking FRENCH name.

.

I bet you 1000 Euros that Dominique Wilkens cannot speak french fluently. I have spoken to him multiple times ( both as a former Hawks employee and as a UGA grad) and a sure that is not true.

[AirTupac]

It's just pathetic that Greece needs to steal Nigerians to beat Nigeria.

[BoutPractice]

He moves a bit like KD...
Unfortunately the competition is too weak to be able to tell anything from the video other than the fact that he's got nice potential. Ball handlers with a 7'3 wingspan don't come along too often.

[Euroleague]

Sir...

They don't have Greek passports. Two different things. Thanasis already told the press they DON'T have Nigerian citizenship or passports and are not allowed to enter into Nigeria.

Besides, their Greek passports are already being processed right now.

[Euroleague]

Explain how any of those were wrong?

All of them wrong.

[Euroleague]

:oldlol:

Your joking, right?

Papaloukas in his prime was at least 3 times better than current Rubio is.

[Euroleague]

I bet you 1000 Euros that Dominique Wilkens cannot speak french fluently. I have spoken to him multiple times ( both as a former Hawks employee and as a UGA grad) and a sure that is not true.

His family. I said his family. Read it again.

[Euroleague]

It's just pathetic that Greece needs to steal Nigerians to beat Nigeria.

It's just pathetic that USA stole Nigerians (Hakeem), Greeks (Seikaly), Jamaicans, (Ewing), etc. just because they could not beat Soviet Union or Yugoslavia otherwise.

[Maniak]

euroleague is having a mental breakdown

[qrich]

All of them wrong.

So Korolev didn't bust in the NBA? 1.1 points per game in 5 minutes on 28.3% shooting isn't a bust for the 12th pick?

Shved isn't in the Wolves rotation..as a rookie?

Sofoklis was gassed after 10-12 minutes...a night...in the SUMMER LEAGUE.

Rebraca 10.6-17 minutes a night in the association until his heart condition forced him to retire.


Again, how were they wrong?

[Derka]

His name is stupid, ergo he will fail.

[Euroleague]

So Korolev didn't bust in the NBA? 1.1 points per game in 5 minutes on 28.3% shooting isn't a bust for the 12th pick?

Shved isn't in the Wolves rotation..as a rookie?

Sofoklis was gassed after 10-12 minutes...a night...in the SUMMER LEAGUE.

Rebraca 10.6-17 minutes a night in the association until his heart condition forced him to retire.


Again, how were they wrong?

They are WRONG.

Korolev is no bust because he always sucked at every level he ever played at. Craziest draft pick ever. The guy is a scrub his whole career at every level in every team.

He spends his years in Europe getting cut by 2-3 teams a year. How can he be a bust when he never had any potential to begin with? That's not a bust. That's just a ****ing stupid draft pick.

Schortsanitis isn't unable to play in NBA summer league and you are a ****ing asshole and moron to keep saying that ****ing bullshit here. Nothing more and you know it.

Shved isn't just a possible rotation player. He can start in the NBA with absolute ease.

Rebraca could have been more than that, but he was that due to his age, and health. But you didn't say that. You said he could have been that. Two different things. So you would be right on what he was, but not right on what he "could" have been. Two different things there.

So really, you were wrong on all of those.

[qrich]

They are WRONG.

Korolev is no bust because he always sucked at every level he ever played at. Craziest draft pick ever. The guy is a scrub his whole career at every level in every team.

He spends his years in Europe getting cut by 2-3 teams a year. How can he be a bust when he never had any potential to begin with? That's not a bust. That's just a ****ing stupid draft pick.

Schortsanitis isn't unable to play in NBA summer league and you are a ****ing asshole and moron to keep saying that ****ing bullshit here. Nothing more and you know it.

Shved isn't just a possible rotation player. He can start in the NBA with absolute ease.

Rebraca could have been more than that, but he was that due to his age, and health. But you didn't say that. You said he could have been that. Two different things. So you would be right on what he was, but not right on what he "could" have been. Two different things there.

So really, you were wrong on all of those.

Korolev, before being picked, was considered to be a nice prospect by the squad he was on. Off hand, I believe it was CSKA, but could be wrong on that.

Sofo was gassed after 10 minutes in the summer league, that is a fact.

Didn't say Shved would max out as a rotation guy, but unless you are a top option on a team, you are a rotation guy. Is Jamal Crawford not a rotation guy? Or Butler?

And where did I say could have been for Zelly?

[Euroleague]

Korolev, before being picked, was considered to be a nice prospect by the squad he was on. Off hand, I believe it was CSKA, but could be wrong on that.

Sofo was gassed after 10 minutes in the summer league, that is a fact.

Didn't say Shved would max out as a rotation guy, but unless you are a top option on a team, you are a rotation guy. Is Jamal Crawford not a rotation guy? Or Butler?

And where did I say could have been for Zelly?

Just let it go.

[AirTupac]

It's just pathetic that USA stole Nigerians (Hakeem), Greeks (Seikaly), Jamaicans, (Ewing), etc. just because they could not beat Soviet Union or Yugoslavia otherwise.

I'm sure USA would have been world champions with Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, John Stockton, Pippen etc.

USA also won Gold the past 2 Olympics with pure bred hardy Americans. Greece could not qualify for the Olympics because Nigeria DOMINATED them. So what does Greece do? Steal NIGERIAN born players

[ILLsmak]

Big hands lol...

and yea, there wouldn't be a large PG because they can do better at other positions. Doesn't mean they're not primary ball handlers. You just plug in some defensive/shooter PG...

that's how guys like Fisher have stayed in the NBA. Even a guy like Chalmers, who would be a good PG, can play the defensive spot up shooter role.

-Smak

[CeltsGarlic]

Apparently Rockets are really interested in him. Celtics also. Both fav teams. :lol


Houston Rockets are a team with international flavor and that trend may continue. After OKC GM Sam Prestie and Boston’s director of player personnel Austin Ainge, Daryl Morey, the Rockets’ GM, traveled to Athens in order to attend the Tuesday practice of a second division team, Filathlitikos, featuring 18 years old Giannis Adetocunbo. Morey’s trip was focused on him and doesn’t have an other stop in Europe. Arturas Karnisovas, the Lithuanian former player of Olympiacos and Barcelona who is now Rocket’s director of scouting was accompanying Morey on this trip.

[dunksby]

Sir...

Originally Posted by DraftExpress
None of the Adetokunbos have received Greek citizenship, only being able to attend public school thanks to their birth certificates.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz2MDZ5DgV3
http://www.draftexpress.com
And this guy keeps cussing the shit out of everyone calling them racist :roll:

[Euroleague]

And this guy keeps cussing the shit out of everyone calling them racist :roll:

Draftexpress.com is full of shit. They have Greek citizenship. The Draftexpress.com article was already debunked in Greek media.

They HAVE Greek citizenship.

What they don't have are Greek passports. PASSPORTS. Draftexpress.com evidently does not know the difference between a passport and citizenship.

And the brothers already said they applied for passports and should get them soon.

[GreatGreg]

It's just pathetic that USA stole Nigerians (Hakeem), Greeks (Seikaly), Jamaicans, (Ewing), etc. just because they could not beat Soviet Union or Yugoslavia otherwise.
Are you a ****ing dumbass, or what?