Wade/Harden/Kobe -- who's your 1st team All-NBA SG?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Harden: 26 pts / 5 reb / 6 ast / 2 stls / 1 blk on 45% FG, 85% FT, 36% 3PT
Player Efficiency Rating: 24

Wade: 22 pts / 5 reb / 5 ast / 2 stls / 1 blk on 52% FG, 74% FT, 29% 3PT
Player Efficiency Rating: 24

Kobe: 27 pts / 5 reb / 6ast / 1 stls / 0 blk on 47% FG, 85% FT, 33% 3PT
Player Efficiency Rating: 23

Each player has had their share of struggles and surges. Of the three, I'd say Wade has been the BEST defender while Kobe has been the most consistent on the offensive end.

Who do ya'll got? :confusedshrug:

[Mr Exlax]

I've been struggling with this subject for the past 2 weeks. I have to say it's Dwade based on the numbers. He's contributing to his team having the best team in the East vs Harden & Kobe struggling to get an 8th seed in the West. Both of these guys are first options while Dwade is a second option.

[chazzy]

CP3 Kobe

Parker Wade

Westbrook Harden

is how I think it'll end up being

[Deuce Bigalow]

If the Lakers end up making the Playoffs Kobe will have it locked up.

[cotdt]

We all know who is going to end up getting 1st team all-nba.

[arifgokcen]

Kobe is 1st team regardless how the rest of the season unfolds.Thats a given.

However at this point based on stats you really cant say.Any of those three deserves to be 1st team all nba.

[scm5]

Harden: 26 pts / 5 reb / 6 ast / 2 stls / 1 blk on 45% FG, 85% FT, 36% 3PT
Player Efficiency Rating: 24

Wade: 22 pts / 5 reb / 5 ast / 2 stls / 1 blk on 52% FG, 74% FT, 29% 3PT
Player Efficiency Rating: 24

Kobe: 27 pts / 5 reb / 6ast / 1 stls / 0 blk on 47% FG, 85% FT, 33% 3PT
Player Efficiency Rating: 23

Each player has had their share of struggles and surges. Of the three, I'd say Wade has been the BEST defender while Kobe has been the most consistent on the offensive end.

Who do ya'll got? :confusedshrug:

Kobe has had the best season. He was on another level in terms of scoring until he switched to distributing more and scoring less. He really has shown how versatile he is.

It is very close though. I do think Harden is at the bottom of the pack (between these three) simply because while he's had some incredibly hot streaks, he's also had some ridiculously bad string of games. He also plays on the fastest paced offense in the league which opens him up for easier buckets.

Kobe and Wade on the other hand, are capable of playing in both faster paced and half-court paced offenses.

[Rysio]

you mean wade/harden whos your 2nd team all nba sg? 1st team sg was locked up back in october sorry.

[Mr Exlax]

Kobe has had the best season. He was on another level in terms of scoring until he switched to distributing more and scoring less. He really has shown how versatile he is.

It is very close though. I do think Harden is at the bottom of the pack (between these three) simply because while he's had some incredibly hot streaks, he's also had some ridiculously bad string of games. He also plays on the fastest paced offense in the league which opens him up for easier buckets.

Kobe and Wade on the other hand, are capable of playing in both faster paced and half-court paced offenses.

Damn you know what, after looking at the stats again, I'll say Dwade for sure. I was gonna give Kobe the edge over Harden this season because of defense, but looking at the numbers, Harden's getting more blocks and steals than Kobe. Dwade gotta get the nod.

[asdf1990]

Kobe third team harden second wade first team

[RoundMoundOfReb]

CP3 Kobe

Parker Wade

Westbrook Harden

is how I think it'll end up being
this

[USABall]

I'd go 1. Kobe 2. Harden 3. Wade

I would like to give it to Harden, as he has fit in so well and really flourished, but you have to consider Kobe's versatility. Kobe's had weeks where he focused primarily on scoring, then switched to distributing, and excelled every time.

The reason I didn't choose Wade is because his team has the strongest chemistry I find, and feel some of the credit of his success should be given to LeBron. All three are close, so this may come off as nitpicking.

Harden and Kobe were thrust into drastically changing environments compared to last year, and their response is why I put them over Wade.

[kennethgriffin]

if the lakers make the playoffs.. kobe

if they don't... and the rockets do... harden

if niether do... wade

[cotdt]

There is a big gap between 22ppg and 27ppg. Unless Wade also averages 10 assists per game, he is simply not in the same statistical category.

[Joey3000]

Harden: 26 pts / 5 reb / 6 ast / 2 stls / 1 blk on 45% FG, 85% FT, 36% 3PT
Player Efficiency Rating: 24

Wade: 22 pts / 5 reb / 5 ast / 2 stls / 1 blk on 52% FG, 74% FT, 29% 3PT
Player Efficiency Rating: 24

Kobe: 27 pts / 5 reb / 6ast / 1 stls / 0 blk on 47% FG, 85% FT, 33% 3PT
Player Efficiency Rating: 23

Each player has had their share of struggles and surges. Of the three, I'd say Wade has been the BEST defender while Kobe has been the most consistent on the offensive end.

Who do ya'll got? :confusedshrug:


My fav player out of those 3 is wade.

However, Harden has earned it. He is doing more for his team than the other 2 right now. With out him houston is not a playoff team.

Miami still makes playoffs with out wade and L.A is struggling to make the playoffs with Kobe.

[LikeABosh]

There is a big gap between 22ppg and 27ppg. Unless Wade also averages 10 assists per game, he is simply not in the same statistical category.
There's a big difference between least losses in the league and lottery team

[pegasus]

There's a big difference between least losses in the league and lottery team
Yeah, it's called being on a health, super-stacked team.

[ThunderStruk022]

Aren't the All-NBA teams G-G-F-F-C? Meaning two PGs or two SGs could make 1st team?

[tazb]

If Wade keeps playing like he has been these past few weeks, Wade easily. These all-nba team, and all-defensive team awards have been losing credibility though. Seems like they just give it out to superstars now instead of people who actually deserve them.

[longtime lurker]

It's going to be Kobe, Harden, Wade in that order for all NBA teams.

[AKADS]

Aren't the All-NBA teams G-G-F-F-C? Meaning two PGs or two SGs could make 1st team?
Yes they are

CP3
Paul
Durant
LeBron
Chandler/Noah/Gasol/Duncan

SO non of the 3 SGs are going to make first team.

[Mr Exlax]

I can't bring myself to put Harden over Wade for some reason. Wade's doing his thing as a second option. Just imagine if he was the first option. That's what I keep going back to. Kobe's stuff comes because he has more options I think. Defenses are keying in soley on James Harden cause honestly we don't have any other real threats. Good role players though. Kobe has Dwight, some of Gasol, and Nash. Clark is just a role player still IMO. Defenses aren't really trying to stop him.

[pegasus]

Yes they are

CP3
Paul
Durant
LeBron
Chandler/Noah/Gasol/Duncan

SO non of the 3 SGs are going to make first team.

Are those the long-lost twin brothers from the State Farm commercial?

[swag2011]

I can't bring myself to put Harden over Wade for some reason. Wade's doing his thing as a second option. Just imagine if he was the first option. That's what I keep going back to. Kobe's stuff comes because he has more options I think. Defenses are keying in soley on James Harden cause honestly we don't have any other real threats. Good role players though. Kobe has Dwight, some of Gasol, and Nash. Clark is just a role player still IMO. Defenses aren't really trying to stop him.

when someone says this, i'm absolutely positve they don't watch lakers games and read the names. Kobe has been doubled so many times this season. What's the point of having all these weapons if they aren't playing as well as advertised?

[Ballin416]

If they give any credence to team success, then it will be CP3 and Parker so none of the three top SGs make it.

[Mr Exlax]

when someone says this, i'm absolutely positve they don't watch lakers games and read the names. Kobe has been doubled so many times this season. What's the point of having all these weapons if they aren't playing as well as advertised?

Did you read what I typed? Did I say Kobe didn't get doubled? I think all I really said was that he had more help than Harden. More viable options. An injured Dwight is still gonna get more attention than a healthy Omer Asik. Pau Gasol goes without question vs any PF we have. Nash is more of a threat than Jeremy Lin is right now. Learn to read bro.

[ThunderStruk022]

when someone says this, i'm absolutely positve they don't watch lakers games and read the names. Kobe has been doubled so many times this season. What's the point of having all these weapons if they aren't playing as well as advertised?
Did you create an account for the sole purpose of defending Kobe?

[BlackWhiteGreen]

If they give any credence to team success, then it will be CP3 and Parker so none of the three top SGs make it.

If the votes were right now then I'd pick these 2.

[Whoah10115]

It's two guards, not a SG and a PG.

[Jolokia]

Too much rounding of the stats for my taste...it really is:

........Harden.....Wade........Kobe
PER...23.54.......24.32......22.98
MPG...38.5........34.4*......38.2
PPG...26.4........21.5.........27.1
APG...5.7..........4.8..........5.6
RPG...4.8..........5.0..........5.4
SPG...1.9..........1.7..........1.3
BPG...0.5..........0.9..........0.3
TPG...3.8..........2.7..........3.6
FG%...45.4........51.6........47.0
3P%...36.1........28.6.........32.9
FT%...85.4........73.9........84.8

* Could be a plus, negative, or nonfactor

Rockets: 31-28
Heat: 41-14
Lakers: 28-30

Right now, I say Harden is first team, Wade second, and Kobe third. If LAL makes the playoffs, it should be Kobe first, Harden second, and Wade third.
But if Wade plays at the level of his past two months for the rest of the year, Harden will get third. The only way Wade gets first team is if Kobe doesn't make the playoffs and he ends up averaging 23/6/6 (rounding up).

All I know is that Wade is the least important player (on his own team) out of these 3, but Wade would be the most valuable of the 3 if Kobe and Harden traded teams with him. My ultimate guess is that Kobe will be first, Wade second, and Harden third. CP3 and TP will be on first and second.

[KG215]

If we're going by how the actual format (2 G, 2 F, 1 C) then you could make a very good case that Chris Paul and Tony Parker deserves 1st team over Kobe, Harden, or Wade.

[The Choken One]

I get that Wade is basically in the same category as them...but he's not going to make 1st team.

It's between Kobe & Harden. Whoever makes the playoffs gets it imo, but if they both, then Kobe will make it.

EDIT: Agree with KG. Parker is having an amazing season and I would probably take him over all 3.

Double EDIT: We got these same damn threads last year about how Wade should make it over Kobe...and he didn't. Face it stans, until Kobe really falls off that chit is his.

[longtime lurker]

If we're going by how the actual format (2 G, 2 F, 1 C) then you could make a very good case that Chris Paul and Tony Parker deserves 1st team over Kobe, Harden, or Wade.

Yeah it really sucks that Parker is going to get squeezed out especially since he's been balling.

[KG215]

Yeah it really sucks that Parker is going to get squeezed out especially since he's been balling.
But why would he get squeezed out? The All-NBA teams aren't PG-SG-SF-PF-C. It's 2 G, 2 F, and 1 C. So the 1st team very well could look something like this...

G - Chris Paul
G - Tony Parker
F - Kevin Durant
F - LeBron James
C - Tim Duncan

I'm not saying Parker even necessarily and definitively deserves to make 1st team over Kobe, Wade, or Harden....but it's possible he and Paul both make 1st team.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Mins...

Kobe 2218
Harden 2193
Wade 1756

Sorry Wade you are out of the conversation

[Jolokia]

Mins...

Kobe 2218
Harden 2193
Wade 1756

Sorry Wade you are out of the conversation
CP3 1529
Tony 1821

:confusedshrug:

[Chrono90]

its going to be Kobe.

[brandonislegend]

Tony Parker should make the first team over CP3 or no?

[KG215]

Tony Parker should make the first team over CP3 or no?
Or...you know BOTH could make. Are there people seriously still not understanding how the All-NBA teams work?

[Artillery]

1st team:
PG-Paul
SG-Wade

2nd team:
PG-Parker
SG-Harden

3rd team:
PG-Westbrook
SG-Kobe

Paul and Parker are interchangeable though.

[Legends66NBA7]

I don't really see much of a case for Wade right now. He's played great, but a lot more of their winning situation has to go towards James.

Harden and Bryant are the main guys gunning for the Top All-NBA First team, IMO. I guess the playoff positioning might settle it, but Bryant does seem the most consistent of the two and has all that experience.

I can also see Paul and Parker make the team First Team instead of 2 SG's but I don't think the voters will feel the same way. And I'm certain that neither Harden and Kobe will make the First Team together.

My choice for now is Bryant, since he's been the most consistent IMO.

Overall teams:

First Team: Paul/Bryant
Second Team: Harden/Westbrook
Third Team: Parker/Wade

[The Choken One]

1st team:
PG-Paul
SG-Wade

2nd team:
PG-Parker
SG-Harden

3rd team:
PG-Westbrook
SG-Kobe

Paul and Parker are interchangeable though.
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[KG215]

1st team:
PG-Paul
SG-Wade

2nd team:
PG-Parker
SG-Harden

3rd team:
PG-Westbrook
SG-Kobe

Paul and Parker are interchangeable though.
And both Paul and Parker can make the 1st team.

[brandonislegend]

Or...you know BOTH could make. Are there people seriously still not understanding how the All-NBA teams work?

You really think they would both make it over Wade, Bryant and Harden lets be real only 1 point guard is getting in, we completely understand how it works.

[brandonislegend]

I don't really see much of a case for Wade right now. He's played great, but a lot more of their winning situation has to go towards James.

Harden and Bryant are the main guys gunning for the Top All-NBA First team, IMO. I guess the playoff positioning might settle it, but Bryant does seem the most consistent of the two and has all that experience.

I can also see Paul and Parker make the team First Team instead of 2 SG's but I don't think the voters will feel the same way. And I'm certain that neither Harden and Kobe will make the First Team together.

My choice for now is Bryant, since he's been the most consistent IMO.

Overall teams:

First Team: Paul/Bryant
Second Team: Harden/Westbrook
Third Team: Parker/Wade

:biggums:

[KG215]

You really think they would both make it over Wade, Bryant and Harden lets be real only 1 point guard is getting in, we completely understand how it works.
No, not necessarily, but they both certainly have a case for 1st team over Kobe, Harden, and Wade. With the way everyone is responding to this thread, it seems a lot of people just assume it's going to be Chris Paul and one of the SG's.

For the record, I think it'll be Paul and one of those 3 SG's, too. But there's still over month left in the season, and right now if someone wanted to argue the two 1st team guard spots should be Paul and Parker, I'd listen.

[Artillery]

I don't really see much of a case for Wade right now. He's played great, but a lot more of their winning situation has to go towards James.

Harden and Bryant are the main guys gunning for the Top All-NBA First team, IMO. I guess the playoff positioning might settle it, but Bryant does seem the most consistent of the two and has all that experience.

I can also see Paul and Parker make the team First Team instead of 2 SG's but I don't think the voters will feel the same way. And I'm certain that neither Harden and Kobe will make the First Team together.

My choice for now is Bryant, since he's been the most consistent IMO.

Overall teams:

First Team: Paul/Bryant
Second Team: Harden/Westbrook
Third Team: Parker/Wade

Kobe doesn't have a case for first team. Wade's advanced stats are better and his team will probably end up with the best record in the league. Meanwhile, Kobe's leading his team into the lottery. Kobe fans seem to have a problem at looking past PPG. Wade's impact on the Heat has been greater than Kobe's impact on the Lakers this year.

[The Choken One]

Kobe doesn't have a case for first team. Wade's advanced stats are better and his team will probably end up with the best record in the league. Meanwhile, Kobe's leading his team into the lottery. Kobe fans seem to have a problem at looking past PPG. Wade's impact on the Heat has been greater than Kobe's impact on the Lakers this year.
Ban bet Kobe finishing above Wade in terms of their placement on the teams?

[fpliii]

Not sure, it's a media vote after all so it doesn't mean all that much.

[PP34Deuce]

Wade has been on fire over their win streak but consistency has been Kobe followed by Harden.

I do think Kobe is 1st team based off great play and reputation. Harden is the future at SG, They will give him plenty love in the 2-3 seasons.

Kobe
Wade-If he ups his average to 23-24ppg and play remains consistent
Harden is going to be first team next year I believe.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Not sure, it's a media vote after all so it doesn't mean all that much.
Who do you think deserves it though?

[Artillery]

Ban bet Kobe finishing above Wade in terms of their placement on the teams?

I don't give a shit who the voters choose. The fact that Kobe's made any All-Defensive team after 2004 tells you how bad they are at choosing these squads.

[fpliii]

Who do you think deserves it though?

Kobe/Wade are my two first-team guards as of today

[bdreason]

Wade

Harden

Kobe

[ZaaaaaH]

Harden will not get 1st Team unless his team jump to at least 4th spot in the Playoffs.

Kobe will not get 1st Team if Lakers miss Playoffs

Wade will not get 1st Team just due to the fact he is under LeBron/Kobes Shadow

Spurs will end up with the Best record and TP will end up 1-3rd in the MVP Race and other two being Forwards he will be in the 1st Team.

All that being said its going to end up Looking like this...



1st: Parker, Kobe

2nd: CP3, Wade

3rd: WB, Harden

[Legends66NBA7]

:biggums:

I should have mentioned it's interchangeable, but it's still my opinion.


Kobe doesn't have a case for first team. Wade's advanced stats are better and his team will probably end up with the best record in the league. Meanwhile, Kobe's leading his team into the lottery. Kobe fans seem to have a problem at looking past PPG. Wade's impact on the Heat has been greater than Kobe's impact on the Lakers this year.

Advanced metrics should strictly be used for teams not individuals. I don't really care for the ones concerning individuals. If you want to go ahead and use them, by all means...

Bryant's averages in losses are actually better that they are in wins vs Wade, so how is he leading them to the lottery with his play ? Wade isn't the one leading his team, it's LeBron James who is having an incredible year. Wade doesn't have the load to carry like Bryant and Harden do.

And what's with the "Kobe fans seem to have a problem at looking past PPG" nonsense ? I like all 3 of these players, so you can get out of here with that bullshit on singling me out as a Kobe only fan. Bryant is also averaging more rebounds, assists, and shooting better from the 3 and free throw line than Wade, so what are you going on about ?

There's more than a case for Bryant, Harden, and even Wade, but IMO Bryant will still take it for now. If not, Harden will be next in line.

[Legends66NBA7]

The fact that Kobe's made any All-Defensive team after 2004 tells you how bad they are at choosing these squads.

Were not discussing All-Defensive teams.

[Deuce Bigalow]

[QUOTE=fpliii]Kobe/Wade are my two first-team guards as of today

[DMV2]

if the lakers make the playoffs.. kobe

if they don't... and the rockets do... harden

if niether do... wade
:eek: Did somebody hacked Kenny's account?

And I actually agree with him. But I'd still give to Kobe or Harden if both miss the playoffs. Most wins will be my tie-breaker.

Basketball writers/reporters will vote for Kobe, of course.

[fpliii]

It's a tough first team to decide his year IMO. I think Kobe has been the best SG this year by a good margin too, but since his team might not make the playoffs he isn't a lock. How much credit are the voters going to give Wade for the team success?

I'm not sure. Media voters are unpredictable. I've given griff a hard time for citing ASG selections, but even if it only includes 2/3 of the season I'd prefer coaches' selections over the press.


If they factor te fact that Miami has a better record than the Lakers and Rockets then Wade has a chance. But I don't see it tbh.

Probably, but I gave Wade the nod in my personal picks. I think this Parker thing is really picking up steam, so he might be a lock.


Lebron and Durant are locks to take the two Foward spots. CP3 is questionable a bit because like you mentioned he missed a lot of games. Parker is good and all, and his team has the best record, but I just don't think he's a better player than CP3.

Agree with all of this.


The center spot is also questionable. Dwight Howard has been awful in the post and is having a bad year, but there are really no great centers playing right now, so he might get it. But what if they are going to count Duncan as a center? He will probably make it then. I don't even know if Duncan is playing PF or C this year.

My prediction:
G - CP3
G - Kobe
F - Durant
F - Lebron
C - Duncan (if that is his position)

Dwight hasn't been that bad on defense recently, but his rebounding is down (still has the league lead though) and his offense has been atrocious. I think Duncan has been playing at an extremely high level and should get the first-team nod, assuming he doesn't miss much more time. I'd go with Marc Gasol (my DPOY pick), but he needs to rebound more.

One note about Dwight -- assuming LA turns this around (which IMO they inevitably will), I think he'll get a lot of credit and will be a lock for first-team All-NBA (possibly DPOY, depending on how they vote).

[Deuce Bigalow]

I'm not sure. Media voters are unpredictable. I've given griff a hard time for citing ASG selections, but even if it only includes 2/3 of the season I'd prefer coaches' selections over the press.



Probably, but I gave Wade the nod in my personal picks. I think this Parker thing is really picking up steam, so he might be a lock.



Agree with all of this.



Dwight hasn't been that bad on defense recently, but his rebounding is down (still has the league lead though) and his offense has been atrocious. I think Duncan has been playing at an extremely high level and should get the first-team nod, assuming he doesn't miss much more time. I'd go with Marc Gasol (my DPOY pick), but he needs to rebound more.

One note about Dwight -- assuming LA turns this around (which IMO they inevitably will), I think he'll get a lot of credit and will be a lock for first-team All-NBA (possibly DPOY, depending on how they vote).
Well IF the Lakers turn it around and make the playoffs, which is still a big IF because this team is so damn unpredictable. Maybe if they do end getting the 8th seed and some how Houston misses the Playoffs, then Wade could get the first team along with Kobe since Parker and CP3 either are not as good or missed a lot of games. But Utah looks like the team that will lose the playoff spot, not Houston (take a look at Utah's schedule).

[Remix]

lets not act like kobe isnt going to be first team..lets be honest, a better topic would be whos going to be the other 1st team guard.

[qrich]

Since All-NBA team goes G-G-F-F-C, it should be Paul & Parker as the Team 1 guards.

[Human Error]

There is a big gap between 22ppg and 27ppg. Unless Wade also averages 10 assists per game, he is simply not in the same statistical category.
Kobe shoots 6 more shots and commits 1 more turnover than Wade per game. So that is converting 7 possessions into 5 points. Not impressive at all.

This year it should be Harden 1st, Wade 2nd and Kobe 3rd. But voters will still go for Kobe.

[Lebron23]

James Harden

[chazzy]

Kobe shoots 6 more shots and commits 1 more turnover than Wade per game. So that is converting 7 possessions into 5 points. Not impressive at all..
They score on the same efficiency and Kobe receives more defensive attention as the first option

[Human Error]

They score on the same efficiency and Kobe receives more defensive attention as the first option
Considering the amount of possessions that Kobe uses to get his points, NO. Even Harden is much more effective than Kobe. And Kobe playing hero ball leading his super talented squad into lottery is not looking good, give Wade Dwight Howard, Steve Nash and Pau Gasol and the team would be in a much better place.

[chosen_one6]

It should be none of the above. Chris Paul and Tony Parker should be first team guards, then Kobe and Harden on second team, Wade and Westbrook third team.

[DMAVS41]

I don't think anyone is being honest if they think Wade would struggle to score 27 points a game on 20 or 21 shots a night.

But at the same time...this notion that the Lakers would be way better off with Wade than Kobe is also nonsense really. Kobe has played really well all year.

I do think Wade would fit in better because he just doesn't need to dominate the ball as much as Kobe, but I don't think it would change the results of this year all that much.

[Crystallas]

Since All-NBA team goes G-G-F-F-C, it should be Paul & Parker as the Team 1 guards.

QFT (at this stage of the season, there is still a lot left to be played.)

[Noyze]

Why can't 2 PG make first team like Kidd and Payton use to do in the late 90's and early 2000's? Paul and Parker for First Team.

[Sharmer]

I prefer Wade because he is more efficent (51%) and better defensive player.

[pauk]

1. kobe
2. harden
3. wade

[Lebron23]

1. kobe
2. harden
3. wade


If the Lakers finish with a better record than the Rockets. I am going to rank Kobe over Harden, but right now the Rockets still has a better record than the Lakers.

[Whoah10115]

I don't give a shit who the voters choose. The fact that Kobe's made any All-Defensive team after 2004 tells you how bad they are at choosing these squads.


:oldlol:

[305Baller]

At first impression I felt like Kobe easily had the edge but looking at the stats, Wade has great numbers and may make a stronger case if he closes the year off strong.

[j3lademaster]

Kobe is the best individual performer out of the 3 this season, and it's not really debatable. But Kobe isn't so far ahead of his competition that a good storyline wouldn't push Harden or Wade ahead of him.

If someone told me Harden will average 26/4/5 and lead Parsons, Lin, Asik to a better record at this point of the season than Kobe's Nash, Howard, Pau; I'd tell them they were out of their minds. The media loves the storyline, and it just feels like the NBA wants to pump Harden up as a future superstar.

End of the day it will most likely be 2 pg's: CP3 and Parker.

[MaxFly]

Kobe shoots 6 more shots and commits 1 more turnover than Wade per game. So that is converting 7 possessions into 5 points. Not impressive at all.

This year it should be Harden 1st, Wade 2nd and Kobe 3rd. But voters will still go for Kobe.

What? I'm not even condoning this sort of math, but your numbers are off... Let's look into this... So far this season, DWade is scoring 21.5 points on 16.1 shots. Bryant is scoring 27.1 points on 20.5 shots. That's a 5.6 point difference. On shots taken, it's 20.5 - 16.1 for a 4.4 shot difference. Add the 0.9 turnovers more for Bryant, and that's 5.3 possessions for 5.6 points. But why would you exclude assists. Bryant is averaging 0.9 more turnovers, but 0.8 more assists. :confusedshrug:

[maybeshewill13]

Harden

Non bias aside.

Kobe
Harden
Wade

Pretty close though.

[AKADS]

WOW its not PG, SG, SF, PF, C on all NBA teams its G, G, F, F, C. no SG will make all NBA first team this year. Chris Paul and Tony Parker will be first team,

Just like no PF will make it as Durant and LeBron are locks at the forward position .

[chazzy]

WOW its not PG, SG, SF, PF, C on all NBA teams its G, G, F, F, C. no SG will make all NBA first team this year. Chris Paul and Tony Parker will be first team,
All NBA is more about level of play than team success + level of play like the MVP is.. I don't think Parker is by any means a lock for first team

[9erempiree]

Kobe.

Playing at a very high level compared to the others for a majority of the year.

[KOBE143]

Kobe since day 1

[Doctor Rivers]

Harden

Non bias aside.

Kobe
Harden
Wade

Pretty close though.


this is how everyone should post: biased/troll opinion followed by truth

[red1]

Mins...

Kobe 2218
Harden 2193
Wade 1756

Sorry Wade you are out of the conversation
one of the dumbest posts I have seen in a while

[Yao Ming's Foot]

one of the dumbest posts I have seen in a while

3 similarly great players... two who have played significantly more minutes. :confusedshrug:

[red1]

3 similarly great players... two who have played significantly more minutes. :confusedshrug:
You dont penalize someone for producing on a similar level while playing less minutes. That is just ridiculous


CP3 1529
Tony 1821

:confusedshrug:
This post right here says it all

[jrong]

Lol, Wade won't get it. In 2011, he had better stats then Kobe all the way across the board, the Heat had a better record, they won both games vs. LA, and Wade outplayed and shut Kobe down in both games.

The voting wasn't close.

In 2006 definitely and 2005 arguably, Wade's stats were top 2 level among all guards. He didn't get it.

But, voting-based awards are jokes anyway. Sports journalists are as bad politcal journalists with their inclination toward group-think, herd mentality, tendency to become enamoured with storylines that they manufacture themslelves, and utter lack of critical thinking ability.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

You dont penalize someone for producing on a similar level while playing less minutes. That is just ridiculous


This post right here says it all

Of course you do. If you are not on the court you are not helping your team. Its the reason why Wade's hype doesn't match his career all NBA award count. He usually gets injured and misses a bunch of games. :confusedshrug:

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Lol, Wade won't get it. In 2011, he had better stats then Kobe all the way across the board, the Heat had a better record, they won both games vs. LA, and Wade outplayed and shut Kobe down in both games.

The voting wasn't close.

In 2006 definitely and 2005 arguably, Wade's stats were top 2 level among all guards. He didn't get it.

But, voting-based awards are jokes anyway. Sports journalists are as bad politcal journalists with their inclination toward group-think, herd mentality, tendency to become enamoured with storylines that they manufacture themslelves, and complete lack of critical thinking skills.

Of course it wasn't close last year. Wade played 1625 minutes to Kobe's 2232. :confusedshrug:

[jrong]

Of course it wasn't close last year. Wade played 1625 minutes to Kobe's 2232. :confusedshrug:

Last year was 2012, not 2011.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Last year was 2012, not 2011.

In 2012 Wade played 33 mins a game for 49 games totaling 1625 mins
In 2012 Kobe played 39 mins a game for 58 games totaling 2232 mins

:confusedshrug:

[jrong]

In 2012 Wade played 33 mins a game for 49 games totaling 1625 mins
In 2012 Kobe played 39 mins a game for 58 games totaling 2232 mins

:confusedshrug:

Why the hell do you still keep talking about 2012?! I'm talking about 2011, when Wade topped Kobe by every conceivable standard, yet Kobe (and Rose), easily won the voting.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Wade has only outplaced Kobe on all nba team in 2005. His minute count 2974. Kobe's 2689. But you guys are welcome to keep your head in the sand so you can get sufficiently outraged when Wade gets "snubbed" once again.

[AirFederer]

Wade and Harden are hard to separate. I`ll give Wade the nod. A favoriye of mine :pimp:
Kobe a notch below.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Why the hell do you still keep talking about 2012?! I'm talking about 2011, when Wade topped Kobe by every conceivable standard, yet Kobe (and Rose), easily won the voting.

Ah you are right. My bad. Kobe was coming off of 3 Finals appearances and 2 championships. Rose was having an MVP season.

[KOBE143]

Kobe has more mileage on his body and still played more minutes than anyone.. Isn't that impressive? I think that alone is enough to put him in the 1st team All NBA.. :confusedshrug:

[Jolokia]

Let's be real here. In 2005 when Kobe missed the playoffs, he was on the All-NBA Third Team averaging 28/6/6. Ray Allen got second team averaging 24/4/4 with the better team record. Correct placement.

In 2009, Chris Paul recorded an impressive 23/11/6 along with 3 steals and amazing efficiency but got second team. Kobe was a 27/5/5 but made first team because with the difference maker being team record. We all know that this was Wade's peak year with 30/8/5 so he made first with Kobe. They got it right again.

Then in 2011, Wade had better stats across the board, played more minutes (for that minutes lover dude), and had a better team record. Wade got placed in the second team while Kobe still got first team due to popularity. This is the year that doesn't make sense.

So if Kobe misses the playoffs this year, it's only right if he's on the third team. If Wade averages 25-26 PPG the rest of his 27 games, he'll up his PPG to 23 with similar rebounding and assists numbers as Kobe and should get the knod above Kobe on the All-NBA Teams. Wade's been averaging 25/6/6 his last 10 games so he's capable of pulling that off.

This year is the hardest year ever for correctly placing the guards on the All-NBA Teams...You have Wade, Kobe, Harden, Parker, CP3, and Westbrook filling out all the 6 spots and all playing at a high level.

Parker 21/8/3 with 53% shooting and best record in the league
CP3 16/9/4 with 2.5 steals and only 2.2 turnovers
Westbrook 23/8/5 with great defense and 2nd seed (can't forget about defensive impact when talking about this award)

Harden could even end up being third team which is bizarre for someone averaging 26/6/5. This is going to end up being a popularity contest and team achievement award. Expect a lot of controversy when the teams are announced.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Let's be real here. In 2005 when Kobe missed the playoffs, he was on the All-NBA Third Team averaging 28/6/6. Ray Allen got second team averaging 24/4/4 with the better team record. Correct placement.


Had little to do with missing the playoffs. Had to do with missing games.

Allen 3064 mins
Wade 2974 mins
Kobe 2689 mins

[FPJ]

In my opinion Harden doesnt get near Wade and Kobe. I dont really care that much about stats. I try and focus on the actual impact a player has for its team when it matters.

Harden's stats look good this season but the PPG are correlated to the FT shooting. We will see what his game looks like when the pressure is on, not in meaningless games. So far his stats are not good in the playoffs.

I cant separate Wade and Kobe because their game is different but they are both amazing when they have to.

Wade goes in beast mode and if you actually watch the games you realize what an amazing player he still is. He makes everyone's (lebron included) life easier in a game.

Kobe is Kobe. Killer mentality. The guy will shoot you in or out of a game. When you think he's done he comes back and proves you wrong. He's fearless, he just doesnt give a shit. Phil Jackson said he's uncoachable. His game is complete.

[Jolokia]

Had little to do with missing the playoffs. Had to do with missing games.

Allen 3064 mins
Wade 2974 mins
Kobe 2689 mins
So wins doesn't matter for these lists? Steve Nash only played 2573 mins but got first because of his team being #1...resulting in an MVP award of course. Flip the records around and Kobe gets first team and Nash gets third. As long as you play majority of the games, minutes don't matter.

[Just2McFly]

Wade/Harden/Kobe

[Smoke117]

Had little to do with missing the playoffs. Had to do with missing games.

Allen 3064 mins
Wade 2974 mins
Kobe 2689 mins


Maybe so, but how well your team does, does have a bearing on how the coaches select their teams. I would not have Kobe 1st team all nba when the Lakers aren't even over .500. I'd have Wade and Paul.

[MMM]

1st team
CP3/Parker

2nd team
Kobe/Wade

3rd team
Harden/Westbrook

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Maybe so, but how well your team does, does have a bearing on how the coaches select their teams. I would not have Kobe 1st team all nba when the Lakers aren't even over .500. I'd have Wade and Paul.

and at Center...

[Hizack]

Can't believe Kobe could still be a top 3 player in the league (at least for this week):bowdown:

nba.com MVP Ladder for Mar 1-7:

http://minus.com/i8gC7OqJrzPG0.png


4. CP3
6. Wade
7. Westbrook
10. Harden

Parker is unranked.

[willds09]

I say Kobe:applause: