What Are the Chances Miami Actually Wins 7 Championships?

[Foster5k]

We all remember the pre-season celebration. In it, someone asked Lebron how many championships they would win. Lebron said, "Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, etc."

We all see how great Miami is. They are head and shoulders above the rest. Could they actually win 7 championships?

Let's not forget Jordan won 6 titles with the Bulls.

Could we say that collectively the Miami Heat, in this era, is collectively better over-all than the Bulls were in their era?

They have the best player in the game, as did the Bulls. They have one of the best shooting guards of all time in Dwayne Wade. They have other legit all-stars and role players. They have a good coach in Spo. The organization is great. The city is great.

If you think about it, if they don't win 6-7 titles, it would be more of a surprise. The Miami Heat have everything they need to win multiple championships.

Maybe Lebron wasn't exaggerating after-all. Maybe we just failed to realize how great this team would actually be. They are that good.

[BrickingStar]

LeBron would descend to the heavens and become God by that point.

[ThatCoolKid]

LeBron would descend to the heavens and become God by that point.

Wrong way bub.

[Zodiac]

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Because Stern is going to gift the Cavs with Jabari Parker before he retires in 2014

[Kingwillball]

We all remember the pre-season celebration. In it, someone asked Lebron how many championships they would win. Lebron said, "Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, etc."

We all see how great Miami is. They are head and shoulders above the rest. Could they actually win 7 championships?

Let's not forget Jordan won 6 titles with the Bulls.

Could we say that collectively the Miami Heat, in this era, is collectively better over-all than the Bulls were in their era?

They have the best player in the game, as did the Bulls. They have one of the best shooting guards of all time in Dwayne Wade. They have other legit all-stars and role players. They have a good coach in Spo. The organization is great. The city is great.

If you think about it, if they don't win 6-7 titles, it would be more of a surprise. The Miami Heat have everything they need to win multiple championships.

Maybe Lebron wasn't exaggerating after-all. Maybe we just failed to realized how great this team would actually be. They are that good.

Well would of been better if they won the 1st one.. Don't see 7 happening unless they get lucky in Draft, Trades or FA pick ups. Problem is Wade will be 35 or 36 by that time and Lebron and Bosh like 33 or 34.

[All Net]

Impossible to predict the future..

[chips93]

5% chance they win 7 titles

wade isnt gonna last 6 more years

[BrickingStar]

5% chance they win 7 titles

wade isnt gonna last 6 more years
the heat don't plan too either, riley ain't retarded.

[goldenryan]

25% if you are counting Eastern conferences. They are already at 3.

[creepingdeath]

We all remember the pre-season celebration. In it, someone asked Lebron how many championships they would win. Lebron said, "Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, etc."

We all see how great Miami is. They are head and shoulders above the rest. Could they actually win 7 championships?

Let's not forget Jordan won 6 titles with the Bulls.

Could we say that collectively the Miami Heat, in this era, is collectively better over-all than the Bulls were in their era?

They have the best player in the game, as did the Bulls. They have one of the best shooting guards of all time in Dwayne Wade. They have other legit all-stars and role players. They have a good coach in Spo. The organization is great. The city is great.

If you think about it, if they don't win 6-7 titles, it would be more of a surprise. The Miami Heat have everything they need to win multiple championships.

Maybe Lebron wasn't exaggerating after-all. Maybe we just failed to realize how great this team would actually be. They are that good.

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[DMAVS41]

7? No way...not this Heat team. Maybe if Lebron stays and all new players come in...

But with Wade, Bosh, and Lebron...the number was always 3 or 4

4 is probably out of the question now that they choked in 11. I could see the Heat winning 2 out of the next 3 years for 3 total.

And that would be about as good as you can reasonably expect if that were to happen. 3 titles and 4 or 5 finals appearances in 5 years.

Things can change and injuries can happen, but the Heat sure do look like they should make the finals this year and the next 2 as well.

[EnoughSaid]

If Miller retires this offseason, and they sign a legit big who can defend and rebound, and go big again with Chalmers/Wade/LeBron/Bosh/C, with a bench of Allen/Battier/Haslem/Andersen/Cole/Lewis/Jones, they can win two or three more.

[Patrick Chewing]

If Miller retires this offseason, and they sign a legit big who can defend and rebound, and go big again with Chalmers/Wade/LeBron/Bosh/C, with a bench of Allen/Battier/Haslem/Andersen/Cole/Lewis/Jones, they can win two or three more.


Who's a legit big?? There's no money for a legit big.



If they all re-sign in a couple of years then maybe. If not, then I max them out at 3.

[BlackVVaves]

25% if you are counting Eastern conferences. They are already at 3.

This is one of the dumbest things I've read here in a while. Hope you were speaking in satire.

[TheMan]

It's highly unlikely, just way too many variables, players go out of their prime, players retire, injuries, mental and physical fatigue with the added minutes load that deep playoffs runs add, younger and hungrier teams popping up, other superstars joining forces to create super teams to challenge the Heat...I do think the Heat are in great position this year but it's impossible to predict beyond that.

[2010splash]

Their window closes when LeBron is finished. Considering that he's 28 right now and will likely dominate until 34-35, it's not that far-fetched. Let's say he wins his second title after this season.

Then from 29-35 = another 7 years to win 5 more titles. Don't assume that just because Wade hits his mid-late 30's that Miami is finished all of a sudden. The game isn't that simple. Teams revamp their rosters all the time and adjust to aging personnel. LeBron took Cleveland's junk teams to consecutive 60+ win seasons and a Finals appearance. He can win with almost anything.

There's a good chance. It's not like there are any major threats out there to dethrone Miami any time in the near future.

[PrettyCool]

Lets see them get 2 first.

[TheMan]

Their window closes when LeBron is finished. Considering that he's 28 right now and will likely dominate until 34-35, it's not that far-fetched. Let's say he wins his second title after this season.

Then from 29-35 = another 7 years to win 5 more titles. Don't assume that just because Wade hits his mid-late 30's that Miami is finished all of a sudden. The game isn't that simple. Teams revamp their rosters all the time and adjust to aging personnel. LeBron took Cleveland's junk teams to consecutive 60+ win seasons and a Finals appearance. He can win with almost anything.

There's a good chance. It's not like there are any major threats out there to dethrone Miami any time in the near future.
Think about this, to get to 7, they'll need to go to at least 6 more Finals series and go 6-0, just because MJ's Bulls did it DOES NOT mean another team could also do it. LBJ is 1 outta 3 so far so he hasn't proven to be unbeatable in the championship round.

[r15mohd]

Think about this, to get to 7, they'll need to go to at least 6 more Finals series and go 6-0, just because MJ's Bulls did it DOES NOT mean another team could also do it. LBJ is 1 outta 3 so far so he hasn't proven to be unbeatable in the championship round.

and just because the Bulls did it, doens't mean it's not possible for another team to get it to 6 finals, and go 6-0 in them

I say they end up with 3-4 when all is said and done. I expect Miller to retire and them to grab a descent big to pull boards and play some D, that's all that is missing from this teaming being an ultimate powerhouse and locking future runs.

[Mirko Cro Cop]

Highly unlikely...some people need to realize just how incredibly hard it is for ANY player or team to even reach the finals much less win when they get there. Yeah Jordan has 6, Russell has 11, Kobe has 5, etc, etc...that's what, 10 players and a few different teams that have won out of the thousands and thousands of players and hundreds of different teams throughout history. It doesn't matter how good any individual player is or how good or stacked their team may be, they all have to overcome some major odds to win a title.

I see this Heat squad realistically winning 3-4 titles being led by their current big three but after that, they will need some major revamps to the roster to even be able to contend. Meaning that they keep LeBron and rebuild around him because Wade and Bosh will be finished in 3-4 years, maybe less.

[TMT]

Extremely unlikely. Their absolute maximum (and that's if everything goes right and they can keep their core) is about 5 chips.

[DMV2]

7 champions as a franchise, or 7 championships with the Big 3?

Big 3: 0% chance at all. They would have to do a 7-peat to get it. 2012 Finals through 2018 Finals. Wade would be 36 by then. LBJ and Bosh would be 33/34-ish.

The better question is, can the Heat get a 3-peat with this Big 3 core?

[ReturnofJPR]

First off, Jordan would have had 8 if not for playing professional baseball for the Chicago White Sox.

I just don't see it happening...

Wade is already broken down. They were lucky to have a shortened season when they won it all last season. They can't keep going full tilt like they are for 6 more years..

Teams are coming up with strategies to plan around the Miami Heat. Case in point, the Bulls led by 24 year old Derrick Rose, have scheduled their books, around the short-term dominance of the HEAT. A little over 1 year from now, many superstars become free agents and Chicago will be perfectly poised to add one of them to pair with All Star/MVP/Rookie of the YEAR Derrick Rose and All Stars Joakim Noah and Luol Deng.

That's just one example.

The Thunder and Spurs will always be around due to either young talent or superior coaching.

The Clippers are up and coming.

I just don't see it happening..

They'll be lucky to win 3..

[game3524]

0% chance

In fact they won't even be in the Finals next year. I mean how many teams have made it to the Finals four consecutive years?

[ReturnofJPR]

If Miller retires this offseason, and they sign a legit big who can defend and rebound, and go big again with Chalmers/Wade/LeBron/Bosh/C, with a bench of Allen/Battier/Haslem/Andersen/Cole/Lewis/Jones, they can win two or three more.

Ray Allen isn't going to last 2 or 3 more...:roll:

Neither will Battier...

[ReturnofJPR]

Their window closes when LeBron is finished. Considering that he's 28 right now and will likely dominate until 34-35, it's not that far-fetched. Let's say he wins his second title after this season.

Then from 29-35 = another 7 years to win 5 more titles. Don't assume that just because Wade hits his mid-late 30's that Miami is finished all of a sudden. The game isn't that simple. Teams revamp their rosters all the time and adjust to aging personnel. LeBron took Cleveland's junk teams to consecutive 60+ win seasons and a Finals appearance. He can win with almost anything.

There's a good chance. It's not like there are any major threats out there to dethrone Miami any time in the near future.

People discount those Cleveland teams too much...

J.J. Hickson just posted 19 and 19 over the weekend. Both Delonte West and Maurice Williams were ballin' in their prime when Bron was there.

Anderson Varaejo is a borderline All-Star player. That team had Big Z in his prime. That's two very good bigs, HEAT only have 1 now..Cavs also had players like Wally Sczerbiak (Similar to Mike Miller now but better) and Ben Wallace. They had Boobie Gibson.

Those Cav teams were nothing to sneeze at...

[2010splash]

People discount those Cleveland teams too much...

J.J. Hickson just posted 19 and 19 over the weekend. Both Delonte West and Maurice Williams were ballin' in their prime when Bron was there.

Anderson Varaejo is a borderline All-Star player. That team had Big Z in his prime. That's two very good bigs, HEAT only have 1 now..Cavs also had players like Wally Sczerbiak (Similar to Mike Miller now but better) and Ben Wallace. They had Boobie Gibson.

Those Cav teams were nothing to sneeze at...
Incorrect. They won 19 games the year after LeBron left. 19 games. For a good majority of the season they had the worst record in the league that year and made somewhat of a surge towards the end to move up to second worst. If that's not evidence that they were simply terrible, I don't know what is. Plus, Bosh is better than the entire Cavs frontcourt combined.

They might not win 7, but anywhere from 4-6 wouldn't be surprising at all.

[KrizMiz]

they will get 1 more ring before they split up - no chance of getting 7 especially 7 in a row...

[ReturnofJPR]

Incorrect. They won 19 games the year after LeBron left. 19 games. For a good majority of the season they had the worst record in the league that year and made somewhat of a surge towards the end to move up to second worst. If that's not evidence that they were simply terrible, I don't know what is. Plus, Bosh is better than the entire Cavs frontcourt combined.

They might not win 7, but anywhere from 4-6 wouldn't be surprising at all.

Those players were good, bottomline. We are talking about when he was there, not afterwards. Players like Ray Allen wouldn't be in Miami if not for Bron, same thing happened to Cleveland after he left.

J.J. Hickson, Big Z, and Anderson Varajeo are 3 very good bigs. Miami only has 1.

[game3524]

Incorrect. They won 19 games the year after LeBron left. 19 games. For a good majority of the season they had the worst record in the league that year and made somewhat of a surge towards the end to move up to second worst. If that's not evidence that they were simply terrible, I don't know what is. Plus, Bosh is better than the entire Cavs frontcourt combined.

They might not win 7, but anywhere from 4-6 wouldn't be surprising at all.

That is terrible logic.

Of course they were going to suck, the engine that made it go was gone. The Cleveland teams are built very much like the current Miami team(shooters, and defensive role-players). The big difference is Lebron has legitimated second option in Wade, that he never got in Cleveland.

The Cavs FO had the right blueprint......they just came up short.

[toneloc103]

We all remember the pre-season celebration. In it, someone asked Lebron how many championships they would win. Lebron said, "Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, etc."

We all see how great Miami is. They are head and shoulders above the rest. Could they actually win 7 championships?

Let's not forget Jordan won 6 titles with the Bulls.

Could we say that collectively the Miami Heat, in this era, is collectively better over-all than the Bulls were in their era?

They have the best player in the game, as did the Bulls. They have one of the best shooting guards of all time in Dwayne Wade. They have other legit all-stars and role players. They have a good coach in Spo. The organization is great. The city is great.

If you think about it, if they don't win 6-7 titles, it would be more of a surprise. The Miami Heat have everything they need to win multiple championships.

Maybe Lebron wasn't exaggerating after-all. Maybe we just failed to realize how great this team would actually be. They are that good.

no chance.. age injury, free angency will all play a factor.. I dont think any team will ever win that many as a group..

[ReturnofJPR]

That is terrible logic.

Of course they were going to suck, the engine that made it go was gone. The Cleveland teams are built very much like the current Miami team(shooters, and defensive role-players). The big difference is Lebron has legitimated second option in Wade, that he never got in Cleveland.

The Cavs FO had the right blueprint......they just came up short.

They tanked to get a better draft pick and Stern basically guaranteed them draft success which later turned into Kyrie Irving.

One can not put into words the psychological turmoil and effect both the team and city went through with Bron's departure. There were borderline riots, burning of jerseys, etc.

[DMV2]

Incorrect. They won 19 games the year after LeBron left. 19 games. For a good majority of the season they had the worst record in the league that year and made somewhat of a surge towards the end to move up to second worst. If that's not evidence that they were simply terrible, I don't know what is. Plus, Bosh is better than the entire Cavs frontcourt combined.

They might not win 7, but anywhere from 4-6 wouldn't be surprising at all.
1. The 2011 Cavs were clearly tanking that season.

2. Because of injuries, they werent even the same Cavs team LeBron had to be honest. Varejao played 31 games, Mo Williams played 36 games. Jamison played 56 games, started only 36.

Only regular guys who played with LeBron from the previous season that played a full season in 2011 were Anthony Parker and JJ Hickson.

Not saying they would have been in the playoffs with the regular core but I think they would have gotten about 30 wins max if they were healthy and weren't in tank mode.

[Ne 1]

Jordan would have had 8 if not for playing professional baseball for the Chicago White Sox.

Well he came back in 1995 and lost to Orlando, so the most you can speculate he would have won if if he wasn't playing minor league baseball is 7. And it's still no guarantee they beat Houston even with Jordan in '94.

[jimmy77x]

Their ceiling is 2 more, realistically 1 more before the league figures out how to beat them no matter how good lebron is.

[DMV2]

Well he came back in 1995 and lost to Orlando, so the most you can speculate he would have won if if he wasn't playing minor league baseball is 7. And it's still no guarantee they beat Houston even with Jordan in '94.
He came in March, played like 17 games. Most people gave him a mulligan for that.

Bulls vs Rockets 1994 and 1995 Finals would have been great series, if he didn't retire and played throughout the years. 1995 might not happen b/c of the Magic but 1994 definitely would have happened.

[game3524]

Well he came back in 1995 and lost to Orlando, so the most you can speculate he would have won if if he wasn't playing minor league baseball is 7. And it's still no guarantee they beat Houston even with Jordan in '94.

Hell, I would go one step further, I don't think they would have made it back to the Finals.

[DMV2]

Hell, I would go one step further, I don't think they would have made it back to the Finals.
Which East team would have beaten them if Jordan didn't retire? :lol

[game3524]

Which East team would have beaten them if Jordan didn't retire? :lol

The Knicks.

Teams just run out of gas on the fourth attempt at the Finals.

[DMV2]

The Knicks.

Teams just run out of gas on the fourth attempt at the Finals.
Jordan used to clown Ewing and the Knicks.

And when they finally defeated the Bulls, when MJ was "playing" baseball, it still took them 7 games to do so. :oldlol:

[kNicKz]

I think they'll break up the big 3 when their contracts are up. Maybe Lebron and Wade stay. If wade is still playing at this level (he's been on fire as of late after a slump)

[kNicKz]

Jordan used to clown Ewing and the Knicks.



Nobody clowned anyone, those are some of the greatest playoff series in history, and michael jordan has praised patrick ewing on numerous occasions for being one of his toughest opponents. You're acting as if losing to the greatest player to ever play is an embarrassment or something ... "Omg they lost to the 96 bulls! they **** ing suck!"

:coleman:

[2010splash]

Those players were good, bottomline. We are talking about when he was there, not afterwards. Players like Ray Allen wouldn't be in Miami if not for Bron, same thing happened to Cleveland after he left.

J.J. Hickson, Big Z, and Anderson Varajeo are 3 very good bigs. Miami only has 1.
Miami's 1 good big is far better than any of Cleveland's. You seriously think the Heat would trade Bosh for any combination of Cleveland's bigs?

And yes, Cleveland's record was really good when LeBron was there. Mo Williams is an average player by NBA standards (maybe a little above average with Cleveland) and he was the second best player on those teams. Guys like Varejao, Ilgauskas, Hickson and the rest are nothing more than role players.

[2010splash]

That is terrible logic.

Of course they were going to suck, the engine that made it go was gone. The Cleveland teams are built very much like the current Miami team(shooters, and defensive role-players). The big difference is Lebron has legitimated second option in Wade, that he never got in Cleveland.

The Cavs FO had the right blueprint......they just came up short.
No it's not. What's worse logic is citing their supposed "fit" next to LeBron as a reason for them being a good supporting cast. So they had some good 3-pt shooters, defensive players and rebounders... so what? They're still role players and nowhere near championship caliber. Winning 19 games mean you suck.

Take LeBron off this Heat team and they still win 50+ games. That's the difference between a great supporting cast and the trash he had in Cleveland.

[stephanieg]

Maybe wait for them to win a title that actually counts first.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

If Miller retires this offseason, and they sign a legit big who can defend and rebound, and go big again with Chalmers/Wade/LeBron/Bosh/C, with a bench of Allen/Battier/Haslem/Andersen/Cole/Lewis/Jones, they can win two or three more.
miami fans :lol

[schism206]

That is terrible logic.

Of course they were going to suck, the engine that made it go was gone. The Cleveland teams are built very much like the current Miami team(shooters, and defensive role-players). The big difference is Lebron has legitimated second option in Wade, that he never got in Cleveland.

The Cavs FO had the right blueprint......they just came up short.
Exactly, look at the Magic. Dwight left and they went to shit. Does that mean Dwight is the GOAT center and his team was full of scrubs? Everyone's laughing at him now in LA, but that doesn't change the fact that Orlando is awful without him.

[Bandito]

Incorrect. They won 19 games the year after LeBron left. 19 games. For a good majority of the season they had the worst record in the league that year and made somewhat of a surge towards the end to move up to second worst. If that's not evidence that they were simply terrible, I don't know what is. Plus, Bosh is better than the entire Cavs frontcourt combined.

They might not win 7, but anywhere from 4-6 wouldn't be surprising at all.
Again another being wrong because he is blinded by Lebron's sperm:roll: :roll:

One of the main reason Cavs won 19 games is because most of the team got hurt to include Varejao their main rebounder and defender at the time. They were on their way to a playoff berth (with some luck of course) before the injuries. The team wasn't that good that they were going to win without him but let's not pretend the team was full of scrubs.

Also Lebron was the main playmaker, without a playmaker teams tend to go to sh1t.

[2010splash]

Again another being wrong because he is blinded by Lebron's sperm:roll: :roll:

One of the main reason Cavs won 19 games is because most of the team got hurt to include Varejao their main rebounder and defender at the time. They were on their way to a playoff berth (with some luck of course) before the injuries. The team wasn't that good that they were going to win without him but let's not pretend the team was full of scrubs.

Also Lebron was the main playmaker, without a playmaker teams tend to go to sh1t.
Right, right... a 19 win team (second worst record in the league) was on their way to the playoffs (which would require roughly .500 play) all because guys like the incredible 9/9 Andy Varejao were injured! :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Who else was a part of this list of key injured players? 38 year old Ilgauskas? Tubby 40 year old Shaq? :roll:

A supporting cast that isn't sh-t can keep the team competitive without its best player (Bulls w/o Rose, Spurs w/o Parker, championship Lakers w/o Kobe, etc). They don't lose 63 effing games.

Way to make a lot of sense. :facepalm

[Lebron23]

Miami needs to concentrate on winning their 2nd straight championship this year.

[ReturnofJPR]

Wade, Battier, Ray Allen, these guys won't last that long.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Wade, Battier, Ray Allen, these guys won't last that long.

It wont matter. More ring chasers will just jump aboard. Even if Wade declines, than Bosh steps in to be the #2. There isn't a team in the league that will stop for a long time.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

Chances are slim, maybe 1%. But that's not even a knock on them really, even if they had say an 80% chance for the next 6 years, the chances they actually win all 6 would be about 26%. And the chances aren't anywhere near that high...

[Solefade]

That is terrible logic.

Of course they were going to suck, the engine that made it go was gone. The Cleveland teams are built very much like the current Miami team(shooters, and defensive role-players). The big difference is Lebron has legitimated second option in Wade, that he never got in Cleveland.

The Cavs FO had the right blueprint......they just came up short.

Lol THIS is terrible logic. You need to compare it by if you took LeBron off that 66 wins Cavs team and this current Miami team. This current Miami team would still be able to hold their own (even if you took D.Wade off too) while that Cavs team went directly to the lottery after LeBron left and has remained there since.

And the Cavs FO did not have the right blueprint. In 7 years, you're telling me the best player they could get for LeBron was Mo Williams? Really?

[Apogee]

First off, Jordan would have had 8 if not for playing professional baseball for the Chicago White Sox.

I just don't see it happening...

Wade is already broken down. They were lucky to have a shortened season when they won it all last season. They can't keep going full tilt like they are for 6 more years..

Teams are coming up with strategies to plan around the Miami Heat. Case in point, the Bulls led by 24 year old Derrick Rose, have scheduled their books, around the short-term dominance of the HEAT. A little over 1 year from now, many superstars become free agents and Chicago will be perfectly poised to add one of them to pair with All Star/MVP/Rookie of the YEAR Derrick Rose and All Stars Joakim Noah and Luol Deng.

That's just one example.

The Thunder and Spurs will always be around due to either young talent or superior coaching.

The Clippers are up and coming.

I just don't see it happening..

They'll be lucky to win 3..


You can come up with strategies to beat a team but that doesn't mean its actually going to work. Pat Riley is GOAT recruiter, as our players decline why would he stop looking for talent? The Heat team would constantly make improvements to stay at the top.

[Crafty]

They need do bring young talent. Wade, Bosh, Allen, Haslem ... They can't go for many more

[SilkkTheShocker]

First off, Jordan would have had 8 if not for playing professional baseball for the Chicago White Sox.

I just don't see it happening...

Wade is already broken down. They were lucky to have a shortened season when they won it all last season. They can't keep going full tilt like they are for 6 more years..

Teams are coming up with strategies to plan around the Miami Heat. Case in point, the Bulls led by 24 year old Derrick Rose, have scheduled their books, around the short-term dominance of the HEAT. A little over 1 year from now, many superstars become free agents and Chicago will be perfectly poised to add one of them to pair with All Star/MVP/Rookie of the YEAR Derrick Rose and All Stars Joakim Noah and Luol Deng.

That's just one example.

The Thunder and Spurs will always be around due to either young talent or superior coaching.

The Clippers are up and coming.

I just don't see it happening..

They'll be lucky to win 3..

Rose is a loser :oldlol:

[NumberSix]

7? No way...not this Heat team. Maybe if Lebron stays and all new players come in...

But with Wade, Bosh, and Lebron...the number was always 3 or 4

4 is probably out of the question now that they choked in 11. I could see the Heat winning 2 out of the next 3 years for 3 total.

And that would be about as good as you can reasonably expect if that were to happen. 3 titles and 4 or 5 finals appearances in 5 years.

Things can change and injuries can happen, but the Heat sure do look like they should make the finals this year and the next 2 as well.
I think this Miami team, if everything goes smoothly, could win 3 titles. No more. They would need to make some blockbuster moves in the 2014 offseason to resign LeBron (assuming he opts out) and rebuild the roster.

Chicago was able to put together another 3peat roster in other 2 years. Miami might be able to do the same. Perhaps trade Wade or Bosh for a younger star or some really good role players.

[BoutPractice]

They seem designed to win between 2 and 4 titles. Less than 2 would be a failure, more than 4 would be a surprise.
They'll need to retain LeBron beyond 2014 and to make major moves that involve getting rid of Wade and/or Bosh before it's too late if they want to compete in the second half of the 2010s.

[ReturnofJPR]

I think this Miami team, if everything goes smoothly, could win 3 titles. No more. They would need to make some blockbuster moves in the 2014 offseason to resign LeBron (assuming he opts out) and rebuild the roster.

Chicago was able to put together another 3peat roster in other 2 years. Miami might be able to do the same. Perhaps trade Wade or Bosh for a younger star or some really good role players.

Jordan retired from the NBA to pursue his dream of playing professional baseball after his father was shot to death. And he did, with the Chicago White Sox.

If Jordan never retires, Bulls win 8 straight. You can't use the Bulls layoff of 2 years as an example because Jordan was playing baseball for the White Sox.

[SilkkTheShocker]

JPR is the same poster that said it was a guarantee that Rose would win at least two championships :oldlol:

[NumberSix]

Jordan retired from the NBA to pursue his dream of playing professional baseball after his father was shot to death. And he did, with the Chicago White Sox.

If Jordan never retires, Bulls win 8 straight. You can't use the Bulls layoff of 2 years as an example because Jordan was playing baseball for the White Sox.
That's such a myth.

Most of the players from the 1st 3peat where clearly on their last legs and were just bench warmers by the time Jordan came back in end of the '95 season. I really don't think they would have a shot against Houston in the '95 finals. I'm not even convinced they could have beaten Orlando if Jordan had been playing all season.

[ReturnofJPR]

That's such a myth.

Most of the players from the 1st 3peat where clearly on their last legs and were just bench warmers by the time Jordan came back in end of the '95 season. I really don't think they would have a shot against Houston in the '95 finals. I'm not even convinced they could have beaten Orlando if Jordan had been playing all season.

That shows your lack of respect for Michael Jeffrey Jordan.

[ripthekik]

This questions depends on whether more star players on other teams get injured or not during the playoffs, and whether they continue to sign more stars .

[NumberSix]

That shows your lack of respect for Michael Jeffrey Jordan.
Yes, because it's unimaginable that a mediocre team could lose a playoff series if Michael Jordan is on the team. :rolleyes:

[Rose'sACL]

This questions depends on whether more star players on other teams get injured or not during the playoffs, and whether they continue to sign more stars .
how are you rip? how many posters of lebron do you have in your room? what about your blood pressure? i wasn't here last year. did you have to take your blood pressure meds when miami won?

[ripthekik]

how are you rip? how many posters of lebron do you have in your room? what about your blood pressure? i wasn't here last year. did you have to take your blood pressure meds when miami won?
how many posters of me do you have? how many screenshots of my posts have you taken down? how thirsty are you to have my attention?

literally all your posts on this forum since you've joined is about me :oldlol:
you into some weird shiiit man?

[NumberSix]

how are you rip? how many posters of lebron do you have in your room? what about your blood pressure? i wasn't here last year. did you have to take your blood pressure meds when miami won?
He wasn't here last year either. He just ditched his main account and dusted off his old alt account a few days after the Heat won.

[tazb]

Jordan is kinda overrated tbh. If Bird and Magic didn't have to retire early he would have 3 rings MAX.

[Rose'sACL]

how many posters of me do you have? how many screenshots of my posts have you taken down? how thirsty are you to have my attention?

literally all your posts on this forum since you've joined is about me :oldlol:
you into some weird shiiit man?
at least my avatar isn't a picture of you while you have lebron in your avatar. even your location reads like you are sitting on lebron's lap. anyways, check my posts. i only mention you when someone writes that 2013 posters are the worst when the worst trolls on this forum are all old members like you, SilkkTheShocker and coin24. and i am not even sure these are all. these are the ones i have seen in last 2 months i have been here.unlike you, when i have a basketball discussion, i either back my statements with facts or when i am wrong, i accept it.

[ripthekik]

at least my avatar isn't a picture of you while you have lebron in your avatar. even your location reads like you are sitting on lebron's lap. anyways, check my posts. i only mention you when someone writes that 2013 posters are the worst when the worst trolls on this forum are all old members like you, SilkkTheShocker and coin24. and i am not even sure these are all. these are the ones i have seen in last 2 months i have been here.unlike you, when i have a basketball discussion, i either back my statements with facts or when i am wrong, i accept it.
Funny the only time I see your name pop up is to comment after me. Coincidence huh? :oldlol:
Bball discussion? really? :oldlol:

[ReturnofJPR]

Yes, because it's unimaginable that a mediocre team could lose a playoff series if Michael Jordan is on the team. :rolleyes:

No team with a prime Michael Jordan on it is "mediocre."

:no:

[imnew09]

To win 7 In a row, or Lebron winning 7 rings is the same chance of me banging this girl

http://cdn.unrealitymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/gemma-atkinson-172.jpg

[jzek]

I don't think they'll win 7. They'll win at least two though.

[Rose'sACL]

No team with a prime Michael Jordan on it is "mediocre."

:no:
I think bulls would have won the year jordan left for baseball but the year he came back, he wasn't going to win even if he returned earlier in the season.

[ShannonElements]

Not good. Not like one out of a hundred.

Not good like one out of a million.

Irrational Heat fans: So you're telling me there's a chance...YEAH!!!

[chosen_wun]

Very hard but not out of the realm of possibility.

[buddha]

zero chance they win 7. I say 4 in a row, max.

[lilgodfather1]

Not good. Not like one out of a hundred.

Not good like one out of a million.

Irrational Heat fans: So you're telling me there's a chance...YEAH!!!
Yeah there's obviously not a very good chance that they even win 5 in a row. So much can happen over the years. Injuries, trades, draft picks, etc. I mean what if the Heat turn one of their "crappy" end of the first round picks into a Rajon Rondo, Gilbert Arenas, Carlos Boozer, etc. If that happens it pretty much offsets Wade's age related decline.

On the other hand they could pick a bunch of Christian Eyenga's.

If an injury to even one of the big 3, or even i'd dare to say an injury to Battier/Haslem then I think that seriously decreases the title chances. Also the Heat will lose all ability to sign MLE FA's at some point due to being repeatedly in the luxury tax, so that severely limits their ability to get higher tier FA's like Allen. Don't know exactly when that kicks in though.

Any ways back to the point, not much chance, unless they get lucky in the draft imo. Any FA's they sign will be guy at the end of their career hoping to get a couple of rings before they retire, and will not be the type of guys who will extend any title run. If they get a Rondo level draft pick, then this post goes out the window.

[Rose'sACL]

Yeah there's obviously not a very good chance that they even win 5 in a row. So much can happen over the years. Injuries, trades, draft picks, etc. I mean what if the Heat turn one of their "crappy" end of the first round picks into a Rajon Rondo, Gilbert Arenas, Carlos Boozer, etc. If that happens it pretty much offsets Wade's age related decline.

On the other hand they could pick a bunch of Christian Eyenga's.

If an injury to even one of the big 3, or even i'd dare to say an injury to Battier/Haslem then I think that seriously decreases the title chances. Also the Heat will lose all ability to sign MLE FA's at some point due to being repeatedly in the luxury tax, so that severely limits their ability to get higher tier FA's like Allen. Don't know exactly when that kicks in though.

Any ways back to the point, not much chance, unless they get lucky in the draft imo. Any FA's they sign will be guy at the end of their career hoping to get a couple of rings before they retire, and will not be the type of guys who will extend any title run. If they get a Rondo level draft pick, then this post goes out the window.
i do think that bosh has a lot of room to improve his numbers. if wade really declines to 18ppg type of guy after next year, bosh might become the #2 guy. his mid range jumper is really great and he is working on his 3 pt shooting. at least that is what it seems like watching him in last few games. i think bosh has the ability to average 21 points-7 rebounds if wade declines rapidly and he becomes the #2 on heat.May be i am a bit biased because i really like players who can hit mid range jumpers like him and duncan.
Heat with lebron as the main guy have the ability to win 5 max. they will probably win 3 in total though. i hope spurs win it this year as this is probably tim's last chance at winning another title.

[lilgodfather1]

i do think that bosh has a lot of room to improve his numbers. if wade really declines to 18ppg type of guy after next year, bosh might become the #2 guy. his mid range jumper is really great and he is working on his 3 pt shooting. at least that is what it seems like watching him in last few games. i think bosh has the ability to average 21 points-7 rebounds if wade declines rapidly and he becomes the #2 on heat.May be i am a bit biased because i really like players who can hit mid range jumpers like him and duncan.
Heat with lebron as the main guy have the ability to win 5 max. they will probably win 3 in total though. i hope spurs win it this year as this is probably tim's last chance at winning another title.
I don't disagree that Bosh can go back to his Toronto days, and be a 20+/10 guy again. It's how long can he maintain that level that is my question. If it's 3-4 more years, then that extends their championship window 3-4 more years as long as they're healthy.

I do agree with you on 5 max. I would have said 6 had they won in '11, but we know how that went. The amount of luck it takes to win 3 titles in a row is astonnishing. Just look at the list of 3peaters out there. 2x Bulls, Lakers, 2x Celtics(?). I think that's it, and i'm not sure about the Celtics, since that was way before I was born (and I don't want to look it up). A 4peat would be nearly unprecidented. Only the Celtics have accomplished that, and a 5peat, which we are talking about here, is again only accomplished by the 8peat Celtics.

It would be crazy if even the Heat get to a 4peat. It just doesn't happen. That's 4 years of no major injuries, 4 years of no bad luck on officiating, 4 years of good luck in terms of no other team being better than you. It's just not a likely situation really.

[Rose'sACL]

I don't disagree that Bosh can go back to his Toronto days, and be a 20+/10 guy again. It's how long can he maintain that level that is my question. If it's 3-4 more years, then that extends their championship window 3-4 more years as long as they're healthy.

I do agree with you on 5 max. I would have said 6 had they won in '11, but we know how that went. The amount of luck it takes to win 3 titles in a row is astonnishing. Just look at the list of 3peaters out there. 2x Bulls, Lakers, 2x Celtics(?). I think that's it, and i'm not sure about the Celtics, since that was way before I was born (and I don't want to look it up). A 4peat would be nearly unprecidented. Only the Celtics have accomplished that, and a 5peat, which we are talking about here, is again only accomplished by the 8peat Celtics.

It would be crazy if even the Heat get to a 4peat. It just doesn't happen. That's 4 years of no major injuries, 4 years of no bad luck on officiating, 4 years of good luck in terms of no other team being better than you. It's just not a likely situation really.
I think a 3 peat would be crazy. 4 peat is about impossible. i do think both bosh and wade will take about 10-12 mil each and may be lebron signs for 15 mil in 2014 otherwise heat would have to get really lucky with their picks or getting good veterans for nothing.

[Mass Debator]

Well, they already have 2 so maybe in the year 2030 they'll have 7.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Well, they already have 2 so maybe in the year 2030 they'll have 7.


Apr 2013

[ReturnofJPR]

Apr 2013

Isn't your unemployment about to run out?

[SilkkTheShocker]

Isn't your unemployment about to run out?

I make more money than you can ever dream of. Don't be mad that your franchise player is a mentally soft weakling that is stupid to even take his own SATs.

[Kingwillball]

To get 6 more mot likely so I say less than 5 %

[ReturnofJPR]

I make more money than you can ever dream of. Don't be mad that your franchise player is a mentally soft weakling that is stupid to even take his own SATs.

People think you got your name from a No Limit rapper outta Nawlins when in reality you got your name from when your boyfriend puts on silk gloves and gives you the shocker. Get a life!

[SilkkTheShocker]

People think you got your name from a No Limit rapper outta Nawlins when in reality you got your name from when your boyfriend puts on silk gloves and gives you the shocker. Get a life!

I come here to talk about basketball, not homosexual fantasies. Im sure you can find another message board for that stuff. Btw, Rose is garbage. Biggest choker in NCAA history and will go down as the worst MVP ever.

[ReturnofJPR]

I come here to talk about basketball, not homosexual fantasies. Im sure you can find another message board for that stuff. Btw, Rose is garbage. Biggest choker in NCAA history and will go down as the worst MVP ever.

You have to have a vag to get the shocker you 40 year old virgin with 60,000 posts in 2 years. You got that right, you're a vag.

[Simple Jack]

Is LeBron's quote the most taken-out-of-context-quote of all-time? Jesus christ.

[All Net]

Silm, what sport franchise can be consistant for that long?

[PickernRoller]

0.0000% chance.

[AintNoSunshine]

I think 0.5% is a good bet at this stage

[KyleKong]

5% chance they win 7 titles

wade isnt gonna last 6 more years

Doesn't mean Miami isn't going to keep landing superstars for two reasons:

A) You get to live in Miami as a young millionaire
B) You get to play with LeBron James

[MetsPackers]

People discount those Cleveland teams too much...

J.J. Hickson just posted 19 and 19 over the weekend. Both Delonte West and Maurice Williams were ballin' in their prime when Bron was there.

Anderson Varaejo is a borderline All-Star player. That team had Big Z in his prime. That's two very good bigs, HEAT only have 1 now..Cavs also had players like Wally Sczerbiak (Similar to Mike Miller now but better) and Ben Wallace. They had Boobie Gibson.

Those Cav teams were nothing to sneeze at...

:facepalm :facepalm Just sooo many things wrong with this post

First of all, J.J. Hickson was nowhere near the player he is today when he was on the Cavs. Not even close. Was in the developing stages of his career. Using his last game as a reference point is simply retarded

Second, Delonte was an average starting PG at best and Mo Williams was one of the worst all stars of my NBA watching career, easily the worst that year. And Andy V may be an all star now but just like Hickson he was still developing and very inconsistent back then also with a VERy limited offensive game. Varejao is leaps and bounds ahead of where he was back then.

And saying Big Z was in his prime when the Cavs were contending is just revisionist history flat out. Simply untrue. Big Z was constantly injured and nowhere near peak production.

And this is just laughable:


Cavs also had players like Wally Sczerbiak (Similar to Mike Miller now but better) and Ben Wallace. They had Boobie Gibson.


Especially this:


Wally Sczerbiak (Similar to Mike Miller now but better)

Wally was a bum by the time he got to the Cavs. Wallace was washed up and not the force he once was. And Boobie Gibson? :roll: Are you kidding me? :roll: I'm surprised this guy is still in the league, albeit riding the bench still in Cleveland. I'm surprised you didn't talk about how he had Shaq Diesel! The MDE on his team! :facepalm

Author of that post went full retard. Never go full retard.

[willds09]

0 percent

[PJR]

Is LeBron's quote the most taken-out-of-context-quote of all-time? Jesus christ.

Easily! :oldlol:

[lilgodfather1]

I think a 3 peat would be crazy. 4 peat is about impossible. i do think both bosh and wade will take about 10-12 mil each and may be lebron signs for 15 mil in 2014 otherwise heat would have to get really lucky with their picks or getting good veterans for nothing.
If Bosh, and Wade take 12 million, plus the 15 million of LeBron, and the 17 million of the rest of the team, we're talking about 56 million. That is a long shot really. I can't see Bosh taking that little, when every other team out there will be offering him over 20 million.

[Doctor Rivers]

Russell Westbrook is out so its up to 1%

[pauk]

Like Lebron said/meant (and didnt "promise") if they take care of their business as in they play up to their standards / are healthy they definitely could win multiple championships, 7 seems a bit to much, but hypothetically not impossible.

[ninephive]

We all remember the pre-season celebration. In it, someone asked Lebron how many championships they would win. Lebron said, "Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, etc."

We all see how great Miami is. They are head and shoulders above the rest. Could they actually win 7 championships?

Let's not forget Jordan won 6 titles with the Bulls.

Could we say that collectively the Miami Heat, in this era, is collectively better over-all than the Bulls were in their era?

They have the best player in the game, as did the Bulls. They have one of the best shooting guards of all time in Dwayne Wade. They have other legit all-stars and role players. They have a good coach in Spo. The organization is great. The city is great.

If you think about it, if they don't win 6-7 titles, it would be more of a surprise. The Miami Heat have everything they need to win multiple championships.

Maybe Lebron wasn't exaggerating after-all. Maybe we just failed to realize how great this team would actually be. They are that good.
There's a difference between having "the best player in the game" and the best player of all time.

This is hilarious because Lebron's in his TENTH season and only has 1 title. Duncan had 4 TIMES as many Championships in NINE seasons and no one was talking about 7.

This guy has ONE championship...does anyone else realize this??!!

[Apogee]

There's a difference between having "the best player in the game" and the best player of all time.

This is hilarious because Lebron's in his TENTH season and only has 1 title. Duncan had 4 TIMES as many Championships in NINE seasons and no one was talking about 7.

This guy has ONE championship...does anyone else realize this??!!


Duncan was lucky enough to end up on a team that has been a contender for ages and a well oiled machine. Some people just have that luck

[ninephive]

Duncan was lucky enough to end up on a team that has been a contender for ages and a well oiled machine. Some people just have that luck
It's just funny the rhetoric that changed. If he loses game 7 against Boston, people would still be questioning if he could EVER win ONE title. But he gets through it and now people are talking about 7 championships and sweeping the playoffs?! They lost SEVEN games in last year's playoffs including a 7-game series and falling down 2-1 to the PACERS!

That is nowhere near as dominant as the days when the Spurs lost TWO games all playoffs and Duncan was just beginning his career, yet no one was talking about him SWEEPING the playoffs! This Miami team is nowhere near as dominant. It just honestly makes me think these people just started watching basketball to understand how difficult it really would be to win 7 championships in this era. If the greatest player on the greatest team with the greatest coach of all time couldn't do it, why would we ever think Lebron James & Eric Spoelstra can?

[Apogee]

It's just funny the rhetoric that changed. If he loses game 7 against Boston, people would still be questioning if he could EVER win ONE title. But he gets through it and now people are talking about 7 championships and sweeping the playoffs?! They lost SEVEN games in last year's playoffs including a 7-game series and falling down 2-1 to the PACERS!

That is nowhere near as dominant as the days when the Spurs lost TWO games all playoffs and Duncan was just beginning his career, yet no one was talking about him SWEEPING the playoffs! This Miami team is nowhere near as dominant. It just honestly makes me think these people just started watching basketball to understand how difficult it really would be to win 7 championships in this era. If the greatest player on the greatest team with the greatest coach of all time couldn't do it, why would we ever think Lebron James & Eric Spoelstra can?


To be honest I agree with you but you have to realize these days it all about the media creating a story. I don't see where you get off calling non dominant when we are coming off a 27 game win streak in the regular season. Like I said Duncan was lucky to land in that situation and it helped immensely. We are on pace to go to the finals 3 years in a row which should show some sort of dominance. Spo is actually a great coach who has gotten his team to become defensive monsters. Everyone buys into the system and if all goes as planned we should be bringing home that second ring.

[willds09]

Russell Westbrook is out so its up to 1%
i say 0.1 percent