After 15 years, I've officially given up...

[macmac]

On the Raptors. I've been a die hard since the age of 13 but this year Im just fed up with the mediocrity and complete lack of direction. I'm getting older and I've realized life is too short to be a fan of a losing, terribly managed franchise. I'm tired of the frustration, the disappointment, the offseason naive hope only to have it crushed 10 games into the new season.


So I have to find a new team to root for. I've rooted for the Raps because it was Canada's team and before the rise of the Internet, was the only team consistently being broadcast north of the border.

Now I travel alot, especially to Miami, but I cringe thinking of jumping ship to a team like Miami, thats seemingly untouchable these days. What are some good options for life long support and dedication, especially in the East, where I could travel to see them 2-3 times a year?

[Scholar]

Do yourself a favor and start rooting for the Lakers. 16 banners don't lie.

You can watch them live whenever they travel to the East.

[macmac]

Do yourself a favor and start rooting for the Lakers. 16 banners don't lie.

You can watch them live whenever they travel to the East.

I have a hard time jumping ship to such winning franchises. I guess a life time of rooting for the underdog makes me feel guilty to enjoy the fruits without the labor, so to speak.

I guess I'm looking for more of an up and coming franchise that I can grow with and actually have a chance to cheer for a championship during my lifetime

[eurobum]

On the Raptors. I've been a die hard since the age of 13 but this year Im just fed up with the mediocrity and complete lack of direction. I'm getting older and I've realized life is too short to be a fan of a losing, terribly managed franchise. I'm tired of the frustration, the disappointment, the offseason naive hope only to have it crushed 10 games into the new season.


So I have to find a new team to root for. I've rooted for the Raps because it was Canada's team and before the rise of the Internet, was the only team consistently being broadcast north of the border.

Now I travel alot, especially to Miami, but I cringe thinking of jumping ship to a team like Miami, thats seemingly untouchable these days. What are some good options for life long support and dedication, especially in the East, where I could travel to see them 2-3 times a year?

*maximum 15 year long depending on winning ways

Fixed.

(Joking).

[Clutch]

I have a hard time jumping ship to such winning franchises. I guess a life time of rooting for the underdog makes me feel guilty to enjoy the fruits without the labor, so to speak.

I guess I'm looking for more of an up and coming franchise that I can grow with and actually have a chance to cheer for a championship during my lifetime
Easy. Start rooting for the Knicks. :lol
They are from East,have a lot of nationally televised games and are playing in the world's most famous arena.

Even though I don't like/understand bandwagon fans it's your choice.

[La Frescobaldi]

On the Raptors. I've been a die hard since the age of 13 but this year Im just fed up with the mediocrity and complete lack of direction. I'm getting older and I've realized life is too short to be a fan of a losing, terribly managed franchise. I'm tired of the frustration, the disappointment, the offseason naive hope only to have it crushed 10 games into the new season.


So I have to find a new team to root for. I've rooted for the Raps because it was Canada's team and before the rise of the Internet, was the only team consistently being broadcast north of the border.

Now I travel alot, especially to Miami, but I cringe thinking of jumping ship to a team like Miami, thats seemingly untouchable these days. What are some good options for life long support and dedication, especially in the East, where I could travel to see them 2-3 times a year?

Stern has announced that teams will be in Europe in the next few years. I'm pretty clueless but it's very curious that the T-Wolves have suddenly become completely international.......... a team not at all known for that.

I could never suggest the Knicks with such a ballhog on that team but that was my first team and I still kinda watch em... tho since anthony deliberately tanked until they traded Lin and fired D'Antoni I refuse to watch them until he's gone. Not a second too soon.

Sixers? Home of Wilt & Billy C, Doc & Moses & Sir C!

you got a lot of teams to choose from really...... I have no love for the Celtics, those swine

Maybe you should just do like I did when I abandoned the Lakers due to too much cheap shottery... find a guy you like and just do the blatant fan-stan!

[BoutPractice]

If you want to jump ship, you can't go wrong with Boston.
Either the greatest or second greatest franchise of all time, with an amazing history, and they're not too far away.

[macmac]

Easy. Start rooting for the Knicks. :lol
They are from East,have a lot of nationally televised games and are playing in the world's most famous arena.

Even though I don't like/understand bandwagon fans it's your choice.

You really consider that a bandwagon fan? After watching about 70% of 15 years of losing seasons, and making a hole in my wall after Carter missed that game winner against the sixers? And buying countless memorabilia throughout the years?

I don't think rooting for one team for 15years, that's not even in your city and finally being fed up is the definition of a bandwagon fan

[twintowers]

On the Raptors. I've been a die hard since the age of 13 but this year Im just fed up with the mediocrity and complete lack of direction. I'm getting older and I've realized life is too short to be a fan of a losing, terribly managed franchise. I'm tired of the frustration, the disappointment, the offseason naive hope only to have it crushed 10 games into the new season.


So I have to find a new team to root for. I've rooted for the Raps because it was Canada's team and before the rise of the Internet, was the only team consistently being broadcast north of the border.

Now I travel alot, especially to Miami, but I cringe thinking of jumping ship to a team like Miami, thats seemingly untouchable these days. What are some good options for life long support and dedication, especially in the East, where I could travel to see them 2-3 times a year?



San Antonio Spurs.....

[bbp1aya]

On the Raptors. I've been a die hard since the age of 13 but this year Im just fed up with the mediocrity and complete lack of direction. I'm getting older and I've realized life is too short to be a fan of a losing, terribly managed franchise. I'm tired of the frustration, the disappointment, the offseason naive hope only to have it crushed 10 games into the new season

That's how I felt about the Knicks after the Melo trade buddy. I gave up.

You can't go wrong with the Spurs or the Rockets. Extremely well-run franchises. Also, Stern hates those teams so they don't get preferential officiating.

[lilgodfather1]

Go with the Cavs. The anti band wagon team in a lot of ways. No success, a bad team with a bright future. Been a Cavs fan for over a decade now, and very happy I did. Also they have the best internet board i've ever seen, so that's always a plus.

[elementally morale]

Noone likes traitors unless they join them. :oldlol:
Root for the Lakers and Kobe. It'll make it much easier to forget the 81 point night. Oh, and the day before yesterday.

:cheers:

[GOBB]

I'm a Sixers fan so I've experienced more bad seasons than you have. From top to bottom (ownership, mgmt, coaching, players etc). Still a fan. Cant say I'm diehard at this point. The only time I cheered and followed another team was the Bulls dynasty. You should forever be a fan of the Craptors but following a second team isnt a sin unless its a rivalry or something along those lines where history doesnt allow it. Like I dont see how someone can like the Sixers and Celtics. A buddy follows OKC because he is a huge Durant fan and likes the makeup of the team.

So I say if you have favorite players you enjoy watching maybe follow their team. Maybe look for a less hyped team that solid like the Pacers. Real tough, physical bunch. Coached well. Teams like Lakers, Heat, Knicks should be :no:

But you cant shake being a fan of the Craptors based on how you feel now. You'll find yourself going back to them. Just takes one big hit in the draft, free agency. I'm a Philly fan. Been waiting for a long time to see Sixers, Eagles celebrate a title here. More sports here, more disappointment. You just have the Craptors.

[MMM]

If you are there when it is thin
then you are there when it is thick
no hitch hikers
**** that the ride is rough

when the Raps finally win you can say you were there from the lowest of lows. As a Celtics, winning the title was so great because of all the bad years, so it made it that much more special.


Noone likes traitors unless they join them. :oldlol:
Root for the Lakers and Kobe. It'll make it much easier to forget the 81 point night. Oh, and the day before yesterday.

:cheers:

You can never trust traitors that join you
you are better off killing yhrm

[HylianNightmare]

Just ride itnout, they can't be horrible forever

[brantonli]

Houston Rockets! Not phenomenally successful, but with 2 titles, a bright future, and a pretty good management team, you won't regret choosing to support the Houston Rockets!







please be advised that venue, players, coaches, and fans, may be treated as assets and traded at any point in the season.

[stevieming]

You can follow the Rockets....

They play a fast style and are entertaining to watch, plus it's always interesting with Lin, with his fans and haters. Then there's a super star in Harden who's quite good to watch.

[SpecialQue]

Root for the Bucks!

[Jailblazers7]

Ive been a Sixers fan all of my basketball life but its tough to stay loyal now that they are never on national tv and I hardly watch them. I can watch streams on the web either because I just cant enjoy the low quality of it. Now I mostly just watch games for enjoyment and catch a Sixers game whenever I can.

But for your dilemma, this is prob a good time to jump on the Cavs bandwagon.

[kNicKz]

Being a fan of a team shouldn't be determined by if they are winning or not....all teams have up years and down years. Think about it, if in 2 years the Raptors explode and dominate the league, you will be kicking yourself and probably try to act like you never left

[rknine15]

Spurs if you wanna watch winning

I myself root for players more than teams

[Clifton]

What are some good options for life long support and dedication, especially in the East, where I could travel to see them 2-3 times a year?
Denver Nuggets.

Watch out, though. I remember thinking this about the Wizards in 2007. I was gonna jump ship to the Blazers, because they were everything about the NBA I liked. Well-coached, humble, smart, unselfish, played hard. Brandon Roy and Greg Oden. What could possibly go wrong? I was even all set to go to college in Portland, in part because I'd have such a great team to watch every night.

Well we know what happened with Portland, don't we. Things always shift, and constantly disappoint. I think you'll find that you always care about the Raptors more than anyone else. I know I do about the Wizards, even though I have watched one game of them this season, and fewer than ten the last two years. Even though I currently live just south of Denver, and technically the Nuggets are my home team, and my favorite team right now besides. I'm still a Wizards fan. That may make me a tool (it's certainly something owners who don't care in the slightest about winning will take advantage of). But that's how it is. We're only human.

[senelcoolidge]

Join the Clipper bandwagon. Exciting, unselfish, and have a bright future. The media and most people hate them (they are just haters and prejudice, they can't stand to see a new team be good that was once bad for many years)..but hey it's awesome to root for the underdog. Players are likeable. Don't listen to the haters. Just watch the games.

[elementally morale]

Ive been a Sixers fan all of my basketball life but its tough to stay loyal now that they are never on national tv and I hardly watch them. I can watch streams on the web either because I just cant enjoy the low quality of it. Now I mostly just watch games for enjoyment and catch a Sixers game whenever I can.

But for your dilemma, this is prob a good time to jump on the Cavs bandwagon.

For some odd reason, you remind me of adamcz

[macmac]

My original choice was gonna be Houston, young team with a great player in Harden, which the Raptors helped acquire, lots of cap space and a smart mgmt group....

In the East nothing really stands out besides the Cavs I guess, I really wanted to like Bk, a brand new team with ownership that doesn't give a fukk, but I just hate the players, Deron joe Johnson blahhh...


Gobb I know what you're saying and you're right I'm still gonna check up on the raps all the time, but I need to make the NBA fun again, I need to root for a team that can go places.

The raps will always be there for me, like an idiot child that you care for until you croak

[red1]

On the Raptors. I've been a die hard since the age of 13 but this year Im just fed up with the mediocrity and complete lack of direction. I'm getting older and I've realized life is too short to be a fan of a losing, terribly managed franchise. I'm tired of the frustration, the disappointment, the offseason naive hope only to have it crushed 10 games into the new season.


So I have to find a new team to root for. I've rooted for the Raps because it was Canada's team and before the rise of the Internet, was the only team consistently being broadcast north of the border.

Now I travel alot, especially to Miami, but I cringe thinking of jumping ship to a team like Miami, thats seemingly untouchable these days. What are some good options for life long support and dedication, especially in the East, where I could travel to see them 2-3 times a year?
You do know that it is possible to root for other players while still cheering for your home team? I agree that the past decade has been supremely mediocre and at this point I too am becoming frustrated with colangelo's band-aid solutions but at the same time, I can never see myself rooting for another team the way I rep the raptors.

However, that doesnt stop me from cheering on other teams in the playoffs and catching other players when they are in town. Are you saying that the only way you can enjoy the nba is if you are a die-hard fan who strictly supports only one team and its players?

[macmac]

You do know that it is possible to root for other players while still cheering for your home team? I agree that the past decade has been supremely mediocre and at this point I too am becoming frustrated with colangelo's band-aid solutions but at the same time, I can never see myself rooting for another team the way I rep the raptors.

However, that doesnt stop me from cheering on other teams in the playoffs and catching other players when they are in town. Are you saying that the only way you can enjoy the nba is if you are a die-hard fan who strictly supports only one team and its players?


The enjoyment I get when the raptors do well, is unlike anything else I experience from sports, and I bet pretty heavy at times. The frustrations are on similar level of magnitude. Therefore I would like to recreate that with a team that actually has a chance to do something. I want to follow every single offseason rumor, every rookie in summer league, etc. raps are already taking about two hours of my life a day, don't know if I can do that with two teams

[Burgz V2]

I'm a Sixers fan so I've experienced more bad seasons than you have. From top to bottom (ownership, mgmt, coaching, players etc). Still a fan. Cant say I'm diehard at this point. The only time I cheered and followed another team was the Bulls dynasty. You should forever be a fan of the Craptors but following a second team isnt a sin unless its a rivalry or something along those lines where history doesnt allow it. Like I dont see how someone can like the Sixers and Celtics. A buddy follows OKC because he is a huge Durant fan and likes the makeup of the team.

So I say if you have favorite players you enjoy watching maybe follow their team. Maybe look for a less hyped team that solid like the Pacers. Real tough, physical bunch. Coached well. Teams like Lakers, Heat, Knicks should be :no:

But you cant shake being a fan of the Craptors based on how you feel now. You'll find yourself going back to them. Just takes one big hit in the draft, free agency. I'm a Philly fan. Been waiting for a long time to see Sixers, Eagles celebrate a title here. More sports here, more disappointment. You just have the Craptors.

you obviously dont know much about Toronto sports then :facepalm

[Jailblazers7]

For some odd reason, you remind me of adamcz

lol I'll take that as a compliment. adamcz was a good guy.

[Scoooter]

I've been a Knicks fan for longer than that. You just have to learn to root for something else in the playoffs. I used to like the Suns, but it that probably won't be an option for a while

Try the Bucks. It seems like they could use some fans.

[red1]

The enjoyment I get when the raptors do well, is unlike anything else I experience from sports, and I bet pretty heavy at times. The frustrations are on similar level of magnitude. Therefore I would like to recreate that with a team that actually has a chance to do something. I want to follow every single offseason rumor, every rookie in summer league, etc. raps are already taking about two hours of my life a day, don't know if I can do that with two teams
I hear you, I am the same way when it comes to getting more out of the raptors since the investment is greater. And quite honestly, being sick of mgmt is a legit gripe since colangelo had 7 years, a weak conference, and quite a bit to work with yet he didnt do shit. Personally I feel that next season will also be entertaining and I forecast a 5-8 seed slot but if you are going to cheer for another team all the power to you but as a favour to me just dont go for the lakers or heat mang

[Qwyjibo]

If Bryan Colangelo's option gets picked up or he gets extended, I'm done too. Not forever but at least until there is a complete overhaul in the team's front office. At that point I will simply become a basketball fan and not follow any team in particular.

It's a shame since I used to go to 8 games a year (I live 2 hours away so to me, that's a lot). I've been to playoff games in three different series. Right now though, I have no desire to spend a single dollar on the Raptors. In fact, if someone gave me free tickets to a game right now I still wouldn't go. The current Raptors are very low on the "what's a good way to spend 3 hours?" scale.

Colangelo started with a young All-Star PF, a #1 pick, a decent young asset (Villanueva), Calderon who would soon become a good asset and cap space. After 7 years what do the Raptors have to show for all that? Two first round exits and now a low lottery team with no All-Stars, no cap space and no draft pick. This team has been run into the ground.

Oh and if (I still won't) there was a team I'd jump ship for, Houston would be it right now. Depending on how they use their upcoming cap space, that could be a team set-up nicely for long-term success.

[Nash]

Just start following teams that have your favorite players on them.

[monkeypox]

Don't give up. I've been a Clipper fan for like 25 years. I have to tell you when they get good it's an awesomely gratifying feeling. I'm also a Laker fan though so I guess I can't know your pain fully since at least one of my teams is winning. But I do understand the hopelessness of having an inept franchise. Even now I'm worried every day they're going to do something stupid and ruin this good thing they've got going. I've seen it too many times before. Even with the Lakers it's a bit grim since the son of the owner is now taking over.

If you're really intent on changing teams, maybe go for the spurs. They've got good ownership and management. Or wait till the Sonics come back and jump on them. Even though these are west coast teams, since you only need to go to two games a year you can always wait till they're in town.

[Burgz V2]

ive only cheered for two teams in my entire life, the Bulls and the Raptors. I would never "jump ship" because let's face it, as bad as we are as a franchise, we've been worse before.

I usually cheer for the Bulls in the playoffs but that didn't go too well last year so now come playoffs I'm just a basketball fan, I'm just gonna enjoy every game from an unbiased perspective...except if it's the Knicks, Nets, Celtics (division rivals) Lakers (81 pts scarred my fandom for life) and the Heat (just because)

[Jailblazers7]

ive only cheered for two teams in my entire life, the Bulls and the Raptors. I would never "jump ship" because let's face it, as bad as we are as a franchise, we've been worse before.

I usually cheer for the Bulls in the playoffs but that didn't go too well last year so now come playoffs I'm just a basketball fan, I'm just gonna enjoy every game from an unbiased perspective...except if it's the Knicks, Nets, Celtics (division rivals) Lakers (81 pts scarred my fandom for life) and the Heat (just because)

So basically, you are going to have to root for the Bulls again because you hate the rest of the East. :oldlol:

[Burgz V2]

So basically, you are going to have to root for the Bulls again because you hate the rest of the East. :oldlol:

lol basically

[boozehound]

Do yourself a favor and start rooting for the Lakers. 16 banners don't lie.

You can watch them live whenever they travel to the East.
It is ridiculous that you guys count the ones from Minnesota.

[boozehound]

Just start following teams that have your favorite players on them.
nope. downward spiral to becoming a fanboi

[imnew09]

Chicaco, don't jump on the Heat wagon because once Lebron leaves, it's shyt again :roll:

[red1]

Chicaco, don't jump on the Heat wagon because once Lebron leaves, it's shyt again :roll:
Not true at all. Heat have had a good franchise for quite a while and they will always be an attractive destination for free agents. Even when they were having those first round exit seasons they still had a superstar and flexibility for the future

[fsvr54]

How have the Hawks not been mentioned?

Most likable team in the league.

[BuffaloBill]

I have a hard time jumping ship to such winning franchises.


Then stay with the Raptors

[SacJB Shady]

I can relate mate. I feel the same for the Warriors

[macmac]

I can relate mate. I feel the same for the Warriors

You should definitely change teams, I don't think the swings are good for your heart

[DaSeba5]

Not true at all. Heat have had a good franchise for quite a while and they will always be an attractive destination for free agents. Even when they were having those first round exit seasons they still had a superstar and flexibility for the future

Spot on. Laker fans are extremely arrogant.

[DaSeba5]

I say the same thing as a Dolphins fan every year, but I always come back. There is no escape lol. I don't see how anyone can simply snap their fingers and say "I'm rooting for someone else." Once you bleed that team's colors for years, that's it.

[red1]

Spot on. Laker fans are extremely arrogant.
yeah, the insecure ones act that way because they are jealous cue some fggt bringing up 16 banners

[monkeypox]

It is ridiculous that you guys count the ones from Minnesota.

Why wouldn't we? It's not like Lakers fans are going to start claiming Clippers titles if they win one this year. It's not like the T-wolves fans are claiming those titles. Lakers fans root for the lakers, lol. If they changed names or something, yeah it wouldn't make sense. Like if the Detroit Gems won a title before they became the Lakers, yeah it would be ridiculous to claim those. There's a fairly clear lineage between the teams. Lol, are the New Jersey Nets fans supposed to pretend that their team is dead now that they've moved towns?

If you want to talk about broken lineages, what about the fact that the Clippers used to be the Celtics and vice versa?

[dbk123]

pacers

most pacer fans on this board arent cocky ass trolls like every other top team

[imdaman99]

Are the Knicks the closest team to Toronto? Or Celtics? Either way, the Knicks are up there in age. I doubt you would wanna root for them. But you're a good poster, so if you wanna hop on than welcome aboard.

[All Net]

Thunder?

[tmacattack33]

On the Raptors. I've been a die hard since the age of 13 but this year Im just fed up with the mediocrity and complete lack of direction. I'm getting older and I've realized life is too short to be a fan of a losing, terribly managed franchise. I'm tired of the frustration, the disappointment, the offseason naive hope only to have it crushed 10 games into the new season.


So I have to find a new team to root for. I've rooted for the Raps because it was Canada's team and before the rise of the Internet, was the only team consistently being broadcast north of the border.

Now I travel alot, especially to Miami, but I cringe thinking of jumping ship to a team like Miami, thats seemingly untouchable these days. What are some good options for life long support and dedication, especially in the East, where I could travel to see them 2-3 times a year?

I wouldn't be able to just randomly root for someone that I choose out of no where. But if you can, cool.

I'd root for a big market team in a city that is attractive to players...NY, Chicago, LA, or Philadelphia. Those teams will always be attractive to players.

[PrettyCool]

Cavs or pacers.

[avonbarksdale]

youre asking what team to be a fan of jesus christ

[avonbarksdale]

youre asking what team to be a fan of jesus christ

[sipitri]

If you are able to root for another team you weren't a true fan in the first place..
Stick with them and enjoy the good and the bad times.

[atljonesbro]

Don't pick a team like the Lakers or Celtics they have it way to easy and are spoiled. Their teams really don't earn anything, they just coast off their name's success. Plus it takes a lot more of a fan to be a Raptors fan than a Lakers fan.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

You're picking a helluva time to jump ship imo. Gay/Derozan/Lowry/Amir, not too bad. If this team sticks together for a few years and waits it out for the super teams to die out, they'll contend.

[Qwyjibo]

You're picking a helluva time to jump ship imo. Gay/Derozan/Lowry/Amir, not too bad. If this team sticks together for a few years and waits it out for the super teams to die out, they'll contend.
You realize that all 4 of those guys you named right now are probably as good as they'll ever be? It's not like these guys are rookies or young 2nd year players. Waiting a few more years for more Colangelo screw-ups doesn't change the fact that none of them are All-Star caliber talent.

Unless Valanciunas becomes a legit All-Star, there is no hope for this current roster to do anything other than quietly exit in the 1st round at best.

[flipogb]

nothing will ever replace your 1st favorite team, and/or home team. Only way you can honestly stop being
a Raptors fan is if you move to an NBA city in the US or if you were never a true Raptors die hard.

[RoseCity07]

This is what happens when a team is happy staying mediocre. The Raptors shouldn't be going for Rudy Gay they should be tanking it hard for draft picks.

Just imagine if they got a top pick this year, then luck out and get Wiggins in 2014. The path they're on is getting first round draft picks from 10-15.

[NLZ]

You really consider that a bandwagon fan? After watching about 70% of 15 years of losing seasons, and making a hole in my wall after Carter missed that game winner against the sixers? And buying countless memorabilia throughout the years?

I don't think rooting for one team for 15years, that's not even in your city and finally being fed up is the definition of a bandwagon fan
You're no longer welcome to be a Raptors fan, bye bye now. You're more of a loser than this team :roll:

[Dasher]

I've been a Nets fan since 1991. I probably would have bailed if I actually grew up in a place where I could watch them with regularity. I followed the team in the newspaper and video games. The cable packages came along just in time for The Kidd Era, so I got a nice present for being their during The Yinka Dare Era.

[Troutfisch]

Why can't you remain a Raps fan, and simply find a second team to root for?

Personally I'm both a Rockets and Spurs fan, been rooting for both teams for like 15 years now.

[boozehound]

Why wouldn't we? It's not like Lakers fans are going to start claiming Clippers titles if they win one this year. It's not like the T-wolves fans are claiming those titles. Lakers fans root for the lakers, lol. If they changed names or something, yeah it wouldn't make sense. Like if the Detroit Gems won a title before they became the Lakers, yeah it would be ridiculous to claim those. There's a fairly clear lineage between the teams. Lol, are the New Jersey Nets fans supposed to pretend that their team is dead now that they've moved towns?

If you want to talk about broken lineages, what about the fact that the Clippers used to be the Celtics and vice versa?
should the thunder be allowed to claim the supersonics titles? They had the same players on the squad the very next year in OKC. The name change is irrelevant IMO. A franchise that has relocated shouldnt be able to claim the prior titles or, at the very least, they should have an asterisk.

[boozehound]

You're picking a helluva time to jump ship imo. Gay/Derozan/Lowry/Amir, not too bad. If this team sticks together for a few years and waits it out for the super teams to die out, they'll contend.
this is sheer ignorance. What in the world makes you think that core 4 is anywhere close to making the playoffs, let alone "contending".

[Just2McFly]

I can only take certain amounts of Raptors' suckage before I watch another team. I watch a lot of Hawks and Miami games to offset the garbage, no direction franchise we have in Toronto.

[monkeypox]

should the thunder be allowed to claim the supersonics titles? They had the same players on the squad the very next year in OKC. The name change is irrelevant IMO. A franchise that has relocated shouldnt be able to claim the prior titles or, at the very least, they should have an asterisk.

They actually did claim the titles. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_Thunder

The Lakers have a greater claim to their titles than the Thunder do. At least they kept the name. Why is the name change so irrelevant and the location change so important? What's the logic behind it? I root for the Lakers, an the Lakers won those titles.

The Golden State warrios aren't allowed to claim anything they did in San Francisco or Philadelphia? The Raiders aren't allowed to claim what they did in LA? So those years in LA the Raiders were a different team that no longer exists?

Instead of just saying it shouldn't count, explain why they shouldn't. Make an argument.

FYI usually the titles do have an asterisk. In fact in the stadium the MLPS titles are all together on a separate banner and don't have their own like the LA titles.

[Tarik One]

I remember when there was a huge Bryan Colangelo on this board..

[Eat Like A Bosh]

I don't understand why people think they have to have a favorite team. Just be a fan of basketball in general. It's ok to have multiple favorites.

Or Just follow teams that have your favorite players.

[MetsPackers]

I remember when there was a huge Bryan Colangelo on this board..

LOL this.

I remember back in 06 when i joined ISH there was a HUGE raptors fanbase on here. Like literally the biggest fanbase on the whole board who were all very commited to riding Colangelo's nuts. VERY commited. Colangelo was essentially seen as a FO genius by the fans; I remember "In BC we trust" user titles, Colangelo avis, etc. Oh how the Craptors have fallen :roll:

Fairweather fanbase if i've ever seen one, like many canadian franchises. Hardly even a fan presence on ISH anymore smh. Raptors fans used to claim they were a superior franchise to the Knicks :roll: :roll: Garbage ass fans when Knicks fans never left

Skywalker where you at!!!! f@ggot!

[kurple]

the nuggets wagon is always open

[Burgz V2]

LOL this.

I remember back in 06 when i joined ISH there was a HUGE raptors fanbase on here. Like literally the biggest fanbase on the whole board who were all very commited to riding Colangelo's nuts. VERY commited. Colangelo was essentially seen as a FO genius by the fans; I remember "In BC we trust" user titles, Colangelo avis, etc. Oh how the Craptors have fallen :roll:

Fairweather fanbase if i've ever seen one, like many canadian franchises. Hardly even a fan presence on ISH anymore smh. Raptors fans used to claim they were a superior franchise to the Knicks :roll: :roll: Garbage ass fans when Knicks fans never left

Skywalker where you at!!!! f@ggot!

if you knew anything about the Raptors franchise you'd know that BC is only a symptom of the problem with the Raptors.

If you knew anything about the Raptors franchise you'd know that complacency within MLSE has always been the root cause of the problem.

If you knew anything about the franchise you'd know that up until last year the majority shareholders in MLSE were the Ontario Teachers Pension Plan which prevented the Raptors from taking any big risks on expensive players, only to settle for a lot of mediocre ones.

If you knew anything about the franchise you'd know that nothing has motivated MLSE to change their philosophy on the team because Raptors games are very well attended, and until last year, sold out very regularly. Why have an expensive team when a mediocre team will make the same amount of money, and generate a bigger profit.

If you knew anything about Raptors fans on this forum you'd know that their beef is with MLSE, and Colangelo, as their lackey, is just a face to put that blame on.

Do yourself a favor and try not to embarrass yourself again, because it's clear, you dont know anything.

[Bcogswell]

Fairweather fanbase if i've ever seen one, like many canadian franchises. Hardly even a fan presence on ISH anymore smh. Raptors fans used to claim they were a superior franchise to the Knicks :roll: :roll: Garbage ass fans when Knicks fans never left

Skywalker where you at!!!! f@ggot!

There is plenty of Raptor fans that still post on here and support the team, just because a few might leave doesn't mean the whole fan base is like that. Don't act like NY hasn't had fans ditch them either, its just harder to notice as more NY fans post on here now that Melo got traded to the team. :confusedshrug:


So stop being an idiot and judging a whole fan base on the actions of a few, while completely ignore the same events happening on your own team. :facepalm

[MetsPackers]

if you knew anything about the Raptors franchise you'd know that BC is only a symptom of the problem with the Raptors.

If you knew anything about the Raptors franchise you'd know that complacency within MLSE has always been the root cause of the problem.

If you knew anything about the franchise you'd know that up until last year the majority shareholders in MLSE were the Ontario Teachers Pension Plan which prevented the Raptors from taking any big risks on expensive players, only to settle for a lot of mediocre ones.

If you knew anything about the franchise you'd know that nothing has motivated MLSE to change their philosophy on the team because Raptors games are very well attended, and until last year, sold out very regularly. Why have an expensive team when a mediocre team will make the same amount of money, and generate a bigger profit.

If you knew anything about Raptors fans on this forum you'd know that their beef is with MLSE, and Colangelo, as their lackey, is just a face to put that blame on.

Do yourself a favor and try not to embarrass yourself again, because it's clear, you dont know anything.

Nah it kinda seems like U mad

Can't see your join date now that i'm replying but back in 06 the board was packed with Craptors fans who thought they had a great franchise with a genius at the helm :roll: :roll: Give it a few years and the franchise was always garbage; I guess they got one thing right :roll:

Stay mad tho raps fans, it's gona be a while :oldlol:

[Levity]

become a bucks fan. Theyre my favorite team in the east. And they only have about 5 fans that post on this board.

Next season:

Jennings or Ellis (they wont keep both)
Redick (hopefully)
Mbah a Moute ( a good defensive 3 to have, especially in the eastern conference)
Ersanity!!
The Larry Sanders show!!!!

whats not to love?

[Burgz V2]

Nah it kinda seems like U mad

Can't see your join date now that i'm replying but back in 06 the board was packed with Craptors fans who thought they had a great franchise with a genius at the helm :roll: :roll: Give it a few years and the franchise was always garbage; I guess they got one thing right :roll:

Stay mad tho raps fans, it's gona be a while :oldlol:

oh you're right, the Knicks are such a great franchise, so many rings...oh wait...

[MetsPackers]

oh you're right, the Knicks are such a great franchise, so many rings...oh wait...

Maybe we can grow up one day to be a legendary franchise that contends every year like the Raps and has a genius running the FO!! :bowdown: :bowdown:

...Oh wait :roll:

And 2 > 0 yes I know they're an expansion but have the Raps ever even been to the ECF? :roll:

[G-train]

Just follow the NBA.

[Funnyfuka]

raptors team has only been created to appeal to the canadian audience. The stadium has only been built so candians can go see the good american teams rape their shitty team full of euros nobody wants.

[Burgz V2]

Maybe we can grow up one day to be a legendary franchise that contends every year like the Raps and has a genius running the FO!! :bowdown: :bowdown:

...Oh wait :roll:

And 2 > 0 yes I know they're an expansion but have the Raps ever even been to the ECF? :roll:

2 rings in 66 NBA seasons, that's a 1 ring every 33 year average, So if we win one within the next 15 years we'll be on pace to equal the same :roll:

SMDH at someone ACTUALLY saying that, especially considering it's been FORTY YEARS since your last ring. And you've been to the ECF only TWICE since then in FORTY YEARS.

yeah what a great franchise to look up to, oh how I wish your misery was ours. :rolleyes:

[MetsPackers]

2 rings in 66 NBA seasons, that's a 1 ring every 33 year average, So if we win one within the next 15 years we'll be on pace to equal the same :roll:

SMDH at someone ACTUALLY saying that, especially considering it's been FORTY YEARS since your last ring. And you've been to the ECF only TWICE since then in FORTY YEARS.

yeah what a great franchise to look up to, oh how I wish your misery was ours. :rolleyes:

Lol im straight f@ggot. U mad as fvck tho :roll: :roll:

Knicks are chillen at #2 in the east right now with the highest payroll in the league going forward always. I'll take that over a garbage FO who's goal is to linger at the 9-10th seeds so as to not get good draft picks :roll:

Don't even try to defend the Raps franchise when your own fanbase is trashing them in this very thread hahaha. You clearly have the symptoms of UMadItis; and you're already in the final stages haha

Here's the breakdown of our argument as well as some context:
1. Thread starts; Raps fans call franchise garbage
2. Someone notes how Raps used to think they were nice (LOL)
3. I concur, concur on Raps being garbage as well
4. U Mad

Who you mad at, me or yourself? :roll:

[red1]

Lol im straight f@ggot. U mad as fvck tho :roll: :roll:

Knicks are chillen at #2 in the east right now with the highest payroll in the league going forward always. I'll take that over a garbage FO who's goal is to linger at the 9-10th seeds so as to not get good draft picks :roll:

Don't even try to defend the Raps franchise when your own fanbase is trashing them in this very thread hahaha. You clearly have the symptoms of UMadItis; and you're already in the final stages haha

Here's the breakdown of our argument as well as some context:
1. Thread starts; Raps fans call franchise garbage
2. Someone notes how Raps used to think they were nice (LOL)
3. I concur, concur on Raps being garbage as well
4. U Mad

Who you mad at, me or yourself? :roll:
Stop getting sonned, burgz got you. Knicks fan talking shit about another franchise? :lol

[alenleomessi]

clips man clips

[JerryWest]

gtfo you bandwagon fakkit!

[MetsPackers]

Stop getting sonned, burgz got you. Knicks fan talking shit about another franchise? :lol
Ofcourse another Craptors fan thinks I got sonned, what a surprise :roll:

It's weird cause while i'm getting sonned, you guys are butthurt as fvck while i'm laughing at the memory of the 06' ISH raptors fanbase :roll:

RIP!!!

[HAMBURGERRRS]

Relax OP the Raps are getting Wiggins in 2014 anyways ;) Of course Colangelo will find a way to **** that up too lmao....

[Tking714]

Stay with your team

[Legends66NBA7]

OP, your choice is yours to make.

Though, I say you should just ride it out with the rest of us Raps fans.


LOL this.

I remember back in 06 when i joined ISH there was a HUGE raptors fanbase on here. Like literally the biggest fanbase on the whole board who were all very commited to riding Colangelo's nuts. VERY commited. Colangelo was essentially seen as a FO genius by the fans; I remember "In BC we trust" user titles, Colangelo avis, etc. Oh how the Craptors have fallen :roll:

Fairweather fanbase if i've ever seen one, like many canadian franchises. Hardly even a fan presence on ISH anymore smh. Raptors fans used to claim they were a superior franchise to the Knicks :roll: :roll: Garbage ass fans when Knicks fans never left

Skywalker where you at!!!! f@ggot!

Which are the fairweather fanbses from Canadian franchises ?

There are plenty of Raptor fans I've seen post on the both Main forum and Raptor forums. Just check any game thread supporting the Raptors and they are there. Far from fairweather fans either.

Skywalker still posts here too.

[Legends66NBA7]

Relax OP the Raps are getting Wiggins in 2014 anyways ;) Of course Colangelo will find a way to **** that up too lmao....

Then getting Rudy Gay, signing DeRozan to the extension, Fields's contract, and so on... makes no sense if we are going to get Wiggins.

Moves like that suggest the franchise wants to get the playoffs now.

[Legends66NBA7]

2 rings in 66 NBA seasons, that's a 1 ring every 33 year average, So if we win one within the next 15 years we'll be on pace to equal the same :roll:

SMDH at someone ACTUALLY saying that, especially considering it's been FORTY YEARS since your last ring. And you've been to the ECF only TWICE since then in FORTY YEARS.

yeah what a great franchise to look up to, oh how I wish your misery was ours. :rolleyes:

While it is undeniably stupid that even a Knick (perhaps more) fan had the audacity to say the Knicks are the NBA's greatest franchise... Knicks are still superior to the Raptors and are in the Top 10 (albeit barley) of the NBA franchises all-time.