As expected Lakers win without Kobe

[SavageMode]

As most people would think Kobe is the reason for their winnings, it's actually Kobe fault for their losses.

Without Kobe's 11/33 = More touches for Howard at a higher fg% and more touches for every other player.
Better team chemistry and more ball movement compared to Kohog ball.

Kobe = Cancer
Kobrick = Benched
Koclonk = Lakers Loss

Next.

[livinglegend]

Yup, he s a much better cheerleader than player.

[dh144498]

Dwight's 7/17. :lol higher FG my a$$.

[francesco totti]

nonsense, today game was a fluke more or less.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

i knew this was coming...

I guess rondo sucks, wade sucks (heat did better without him last year i think), and kobe sucks.. everyone sucks

[clayton]

This is Howard and Nash's team now.
:cry:

[riseagainst]

Dwight's 7/17. :lol higher FG my a$$.

:roll: :roll:

1 post and already destroyed the OP. :applause:

[gengiskhan]

As most people would think Kobe is the reason for their winnings, it's actually Kobe fault for their losses.

Without Kobe's 11/33 = More touches for Howard at a higher fg%

Kobe = Cancer
Kobrick = Benched
Koclonk = Lakers Loss

Next.

I've said this LONG LONG LONG time ago.

Kobe is the REAL & ONLY CANCER CLUSTER of Lakers franchise.

His Narcicism, "me, me & only me" mentality has left LAL in ruins.

With Kobe on Bench, Starting 4 are having better chemistry moving the ball better too.

[livinglegend]

i knew this was coming...

I guess rondo sucks, wade sucks (heat did better without him last year i think), and kobe sucks.. everyone sucks

:no: You cant use the present when you are talking about the past.

[SavageMode]

I've said this LONG LONG LONG time ago.

Kobe is the REAL & ONLY CANCER CLUSTER of Lakers franchise.

His Narcicism, "me, me & only me" mentality has left LAL in ruins.

With Kobe on Bench, Starting 4 are having better chemistry moving the ball better too.
:applause:

[longtime lurker]

As most people would think Kobe is the reason for their winnings, it's actually Kobe fault for their losses.

Without Kobe's 11/33 = More touches for Howard at a higher fg%

Kobe = Cancer
Kobrick = Benched
Koclonk = Lakers Loss

Next.

As expected your ****** ass shows up

[LakeShow09]

Yup. Let Nash run the offense and not do Kobe iso's all the damn time. Him playing hero ball vs Toronto got to his head.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Kobe fans' WORST nightmare; the Lakers actually beat an ELITE team ON THE ROAD w/o him. :oldlol:

[tmacattack33]

i knew this was coming...

I guess rondo sucks, wade sucks (heat did better without him last year i think), and kobe sucks.. everyone sucks

Well Wade did suck last year in the regular season. Especially before he decided to sit out for those 15 games where Miami went 12-3 or whatever it was.

He was hurting the team by playing injured and not playing well.

[Clyde]

This thread makes me want to puke.

[Lone Laker]

Dwight's 7/17. :lol higher FG my a$$.

Team only shot 42%...

[Indian guy]

Doesn't LA have a winning percentage of .700+ without Kobe in his career? And that's over 100+ games. The guy knew what he was doing when he forced his way to LA on draft day. He has played his entire career on one loaded team after another.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe fans' WORST nightmare; the Lakers actually beat an ELITE team ON THE ROAD w/o him. :oldlol:
Now a full game ahead of Utah. Kobe fans are somehow mad now...

[longtime lurker]

Kobe fans' WORST nightmare; the Lakers actually beat an ELITE team ON THE ROAD w/o him. :oldlol:

Yeah just like Boston is better without Rondo, Knicks are better without Melo and the Heat are better without Dwade..... Lakers should just amnesty Kobe championship flight!

[Legends66NBA7]

Kobe fans' WORST nightmare; the Lakers actually beat an ELITE team ON THE ROAD w/o him. :oldlol:

Happened last year too vs the Spurs. Bynum beasted and got a career high in rebounds.

Doesn't really change anything and the Lakers need him come playoff time. But yeah, I can't say this wasn't going to come. :D

[NBASTATMAN]

Us so called Haterz only write the truth. I have written about The Lakers being very good even when Kobe goes down. They are the most stacked team in the league. Yet kobestans trash all Laker players to make Kobe look better.

[imdaman99]

gengis and savage jerk off to threads like this :roll:

[cotdt]

today was a fluke because steve blake played out of his mind.

[dh144498]

Team only shot 42%...

and Dwight shot 41%. So how is that higher than his FG% earlier: 57% :confusedshrug:

[dh144498]

Doesn't LA have a winning percentage of .700+ without Kobe in his career? And that's over 100+ games. The guy knew what he was doing when he forced his way to LA on draft day. He has played his entire career on one loaded team after another.

:biggums:
I know you like to guzz on Lebron's ***, but come on. This is just pure bullsh1t. :lol

[NBASTATMAN]

Happened last year too vs the Spurs. Bynum beasted and got a career high in rebounds.

Doesn't really change anything and the Lakers need him come playoff time. But yeah, I can't say this wasn't going to come. :D



Obviously the Lakers need Kobe during the season and for the playoffs but a game like this just helps shut the Kobestans up about the SO CALLED LACK of talent on the Lakers.

[Noof]

Lol I knew this thread would pop up. You guys are too predictable.

[gengiskhan]

and Dwight shot 41%. So how is that higher than his FG% earlier: 57% :confusedshrug:

Dont you think he is ADJUSTING to being a LEADER of the Lakers franchise for the first time from here on out!

For God's sake, Kobe reduced Dwight to 6-7 FGA with 6-8 pts scorer more often than not!

Eventually he'll shoot 50+%FG

But

the real BOTTOM LINE!

D-12 is a better leader than Kobe for Lakers.

He won the game with 20/12/4 as leader ON THE ROAD! against ELITE E.C. TEAM!

plain & simple.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Us so called Haterz only write the truth. I have written about The Lakers being very good even when Kobe goes down. They are the most stacked team in the league. Yet kobestans trash all Laker players to make Kobe look better.
On paper they are the most stacked or at least 2nd behind Miami. But they literally only played 5 games (under 10 for sure) together at once. Even their 5th best player Hill (before Clark started playing well) missed more than half the season already.

And what "truth" have you hater'z' been writing? That Kobe would never win without Shaq? check. That Kobe would never win an MVP? check.

[Heavincent]

Doesn't LA have a winning percentage of .700+ without Kobe in his career? And that's over 100+ games. The guy knew what he was doing when he forced his way to LA on draft day. He has played his entire career on one loaded team after another.

This kid going full retard :oldlol:

[longtime lurker]

Obviously the Lakers need Kobe during the season and for the playoffs but a game like this just helps shut the Kobestans up about the SO CALLED LACK of talent on the Lakers.

The Lakers do have a lack of talent and haven't been healthy all year. They'd be a lot better if they were healthy all year.

[Boogey]

Why feed the trolls? U think they even believe what they're saying?

[longtime lurker]

On paper they are the most stacked or at least 2nd behind Miami. But they literally only played 5 games (under 10 for sure) together at once. Even their 5th best player Hill (before Clark started playing well) missed more than half the season already.

And what "truth" have you hater'z' been writing? That Kobe would never win without Shaq? check. That Kobe would never win an MVP? check.

Lakers won't be in the playoffs we can add to the list

[Celtic_Pride]

Forget today's result but why did Kobe start today despite the Lakers listing him as "Out Indefinitely" ?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Obviously the Lakers need Kobe during the season and for the playoffs but a game like this just helps shut the Kobestans up about the SO CALLED LACK of talent on the Lakers.

Yep. Notice the other Laker players getting after it defensively? A little ball movement can go a LONG way.

Without Bean, I can see them stringing together a little win-streak. They play harder and you gotta respect that.

[gengiskhan]

Forget today's result but why did Kobe start today despite the Lakers listing him as "Out Indefinitely" ?

INSECURITY! at its core.

If Kobe-LESS Lakers ends up having better movement & better team chemistry.

If Dwight-LED Lakers ends up beating ELITE team ON THE ROAD comfortably.

If all the rest of the Lakers STARTERS have STATLINE IMPROVED!

Its DejaVu 2012 BYNUM BEASTING mode for Kobe all over again.

Kobe will not get the credit. Forget MVP. He'll come out as a Villian like he just did today.

Even if Both ANKLES BROKEN. Kobe will try his best to CHUCK AWAY 22 FGAs.

[tazb]

When I saw Kobe was starting tonight I was like ehhh, Lakers have a chance. Then after the first quarter he was out the whole game I was like ya, Lakers won.

[dh144498]

:mad: :cry:

:biggums:

Lakers won, it's not that serious.

[oh the horror]

Haters and trolls on this site are literally going full fledged psychotic.

[DatAsh]

Us so called Haterz only write the truth. I have written about The Lakers being very good even when Kobe goes down. They are the most stacked team in the league. Yet kobestans trash all Laker players to make Kobe look better.

I think a little context goes a long way here. Kobe fanatics are the ones who go out of their way to degrade any and all of Kobe's teammates; most Lakers fans aren't like that. Most Laker fans realize that this is a very, very good team(even without Kobe) that's been saddled with injury and chemistry issues all year long.

[longtime lurker]

I think a little context goes a long way here. Kobe fanatics are the ones who go out of their way to degrade any and all of Kobe's teammates; most Lakers fans aren't like that. Most Laker fans realize that this is a very, very good team(even without Kobe) that's been saddled with injury and chemistry issues all year long.

This is actually false. The only Kobe fanatics on this site I'm pretty sure are troll accounts or accounts created by a non Lakers fan. I didn't see a single poster in the game thread sad that the Lakers won. Yet there are tons of lunatic haters happy because a team they "hate" won without their best player. Irony at it's finest.

[DatAsh]

This is actually false. The only Kobe fanatics on this site I'm pretty sure are troll accounts or accounts created by a non Lakers fan. I didn't see a single poster in the game thread sad that the Lakers won. Yet there are tons of lunatic haters happy because a team they "hate" won without their best player. Irony at it's finest.

You may be right about a lot of those guys being troll accounts, but I don't think all of them are.

[NBASTATMAN]

The Lakers do have a lack of talent and haven't been healthy all year. They'd be a lot better if they were healthy all year.


They haven't been healthy but you are crazy if you think the Lakers have a lack of talent. :wtf:

[NBASTATMAN]

I think a little context goes a long way here. Kobe fanatics are the ones who go out of their way to degrade any and all of Kobe's teammates; most Lakers fans aren't like that. Most Laker fans realize that this is a very, very good team(even without Kobe) that's been saddled with injury and chemistry issues all year long.


I agree that is why I wrote Kobestans and not Laker fans. I rarely write anything negative about Laker fans. There is a difference between Kobe stans and Laker fans and most can see that. :rockon:

[secund2nun]

I also knew it as well. This run will continue. They just beat a great team on the road. Without Kobe they don't have to worry about his putrid defense and ball stopping flow destroying shot chucking. Kobe will yet again be exposed as overrated.

It will be funny watching some of the Kobe stans...I bet a few of them might actually root against LA while Kobe is out. :roll:

[quartwarier]

they should amnesty him, which would be like prince charming kissing snow white

[amfirst]

Teams always do better without their superstar for the first few games because no one knows how to guard them, until they see the team plays.

[Dubs510]

Nash
Blake
MWP
Clark
Howard

Not one not two not three not four ...




:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Ne 1]

So? The Bulls won 55 games without Jordan after replacing him with a D-League shooting guard named Pete Myers.

[PickernRoller]

I also knew it as well. This run will continue. They just beat a great team on the road. Without Kobe they don't have to worry about his putrid defense and ball stopping flow destroying shot chucking. Kobe will yet again be exposed as overrated.

It will be funny watching some of the Kobe stans...I bet a few of them might actually root against LA while Kobe is out. :roll:

You mean all the fans in the stands wearing #24 that cheered while D12 made a dunk or when Steve Blake rained a 3.

Haters running out of ammo resorting to what they know best - retardation.

I agree with OP's thread title. It happened in 11' too and countless of times before. Great for team chemistry when you fall into bad habits of relying on just one man to do all the work. Keep on hating - we are all loving it.

[truhooper]

:lol

[RRR3]

You mean all the fans in the stands wearing #24 that cheered while D12 made a dunk or when Steve Blake rained a 3.

Haters running out of ammo resorting to what they know best - retardation.

I agree with OP's thread title. It happened in 11' too and countless of times before. Great for team chemistry when you fall into bad habits of relying on just one man to do all the work. Keep on hating - we are all loving it.
Oh god, this guy is back. Where's your hero Reigny?

[Bandito]

for someone that doesn't care about Kobe or the Lakers you sure follow the Lakers very closely.

Also when did the Lakers won the championship? I thought that was in June...

[gengiskhan]

So? The Bulls won 55 games without Jordan after replacing him with a D-League shooting guard named Pete Myers.

A HALF CONDITIONED, OUT OF B'BALL SHAPED MJ returns to play only 17 games of 1994-1995 Reg season & Bulls to 5th Playoffs Spot just in 17 games with a record of 13-4 !!

Without MJ Comeback, Pippen LED Bulls were 31-31 at one point, gonna miss the Playoffs.

without any B'ball conditioning MJ led Bulls to 5th spot from 9th spot in just 17 Games !!

Something Kobe can never do in 82 games today!

SUCK ON THAT HATER!

[secund2nun]

You mean all the fans in the stands wearing #24 that cheered while D12 made a dunk or when Steve Blake rained a 3.

Haters running out of ammo resorting to what they know best - retardation.

I agree with OP's thread title. It happened in 11' too and countless of times before. Great for team chemistry when you fall into bad habits of relying on just one man to do all the work. Keep on hating - we are all loving it.

The fans cheering were Lakers fans. I said Kobe stans, not Lakers fans. Try reading.

Running out of ammo? The loaded squad is barely above .500 yet was predicted by most people to be a serious NBA title contender. That alone is all the ammo needed. They are arguably the biggest disappointment in NBA history. LA going on a streak without Kobe and actually improving will be the final nail in the coffin.

One man do to all of the work? Defense is 50% of the game and Kobe's defense has been pathetic all season long. Also the Lakers' offense is a lot better when the play team ball, not Kobe jacking up a million shots ball. This is not unique- LA has always been like this with Kobe. Kobe ball is generally a bad sign and team ball is when the Lakers win. Kobe destroys the offensive flow.

[PickernRoller]

Oh god, this guy is back. Where's your hero Reigny?

Are you surprised? your boys have been having lots of fun lately. I seen you guys took it up a notch. Don't matter thou, still as pathetic, if not more than ever.

Greetings...

[Human Error]

I also knew it as well. This run will continue. They just beat a great team on the road. Without Kobe they don't have to worry about his putrid defense and ball stopping flow destroying shot chucking. Kobe will yet again be exposed as overrated.

It will be funny watching some of the Kobe stans...I bet a few of them might actually root against LA while Kobe is out. :roll:
Kobe fans do not want the Lakers to keep winning without Kobe, but they will be more than okay. The Lakers were having fun on the floor in a very long time tonight with improved ball movement and defense.

[RRR3]

Are you surprised? your boys have been having lots of fun lately. I seen you guys took it up a notch. Don't matter thou, still as pathetic, if not more than ever.

Greetings...
I thought Jeff IP banned you lol

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

As most people would think Kobe is the reason for their winnings, it's actually Kobe fault for their losses.

Without Kobe's 11/33 = More touches for Howard at a higher fg% and more touches for every other player.
Better team chemistry and more ball movement compared to Kohog ball.

Kobe = Cancer
Kobrick = Benched
Koclonk = Lakers Loss

Next.

ok enough...now come suck my c0ck b`tch ...u run ur mouth like dirty little ho...when its not on my c0ck

[RRR3]

ok enough...now come suck my c0ck b`tch ...u run ur mouth like dirty little ho...when its not on my c0ck
:biggums:

[SavageMode]

ok enough...now come suck my c0ck b`tch ...u run ur mouth like dirty little ho...when its not on my c0ck
:biggums:

[PickernRoller]

I thought Jeff IP banned you lol

I banned myself by changing e-mail addresses.

[Quizno]

SUCK ON THAT HATER!
don't you think you're the hater? :oldlol:

[KingLeBronJames]

As most people would think Kobe is the reason for their winnings, it's actually Kobe fault for their losses.

Without Kobe's 11/33 = More touches for Howard at a higher fg% and more touches for every other player.
Better team chemistry and more ball movement compared to Kohog ball.

Kobe = Cancer
Kobrick = Benched
Koclonk = Lakers Loss

Next.
You call 7/17 a higher FG%? Negged.

[Vienceslav]

Why can't you people ever enjoy something?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGmgPBuYh24
#CoachBE:roll:

[gengiskhan]

don't you think you're the hater? :oldlol:

No I'm not.

I know a fake chucker when I see one.

I never liked AI & Kobe is a same catagory.

anyone can chuck, chuck & chuck & get to 35 ppg.

But not everyone can get 25 ppg & 10 rpg.

Anyone can shoot 45%FG or Less.

Not everyone can shoot 50%FG or more.

& please dont lecture me about "there is not much difference btw 45% & 50%, its only 5% difference"

But the reality is the difference btw Winner & looser is a SINGLE Pt. Thats the only Truth.

AI & Kobe has SHOT their way to LOSSES.

MJ & LBJ has SHOT their way to VICTORIES.

[gengiskhan]

Why can't you people ever enjoy something?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGmgPBuYh24
#CoachBE:roll:

He may actually make a VERY GOOD Coach BTW.

because He wasn't a GOAT calibre player!

If you look at NBA's BEST COACHES from Phil to Doug to Pat Riley, they were all average players ala Kobe. :roll: :roll:

Only GOAT Bird is the exception to the rule. :coleman:

[RRR3]

Gengy, did you just say Kobe Bryant is an "average player"? Do average players average 25/5/5 for their careers? :biggums:

[Vienceslav]

He may actually make a VERY GOOD Coach BTW.

because He wasn't a GOAT calibre player!

If you look at NBA's BEST COACHES from Phil to Doug to Pat Riley, they were all average players ala Kobe. :roll: :roll:

Only GOAT Bird is the exception to the rule. :coleman:
This guy is making fun of Jordan fans?

[Deuce Bigalow]

No I'm not.

I know a fake chucker when I see one.

I never liked AI & Kobe is a same catagory.

anyone can chuck, chuck & chuck & get to 35 ppg.

But not everyone can get 25 ppg & 10 rpg.

Anyone can shoot 45%FG or Less.

Not everyone can shoot 50%FG or more.

& please dont lecture me about "there is not much difference btw 45% & 50%, its only 5% difference"

But the reality is the difference btw Winner & looser is a SINGLE Pt. Thats the only Truth.

AI & Kobe has SHOT their way to LOSSES.

MJ & LBJ has SHOT their way to VICTORIES.
http://www.postercheckout.com/PrintImagesNew/PFS/AAML22501.jpg

[PickernRoller]

The fans cheering were Lakers fans. I said Kobe stans, not Lakers fans. Try reading.
QUOTE]

Look the bottomline is that if you are the franchise player of your team for more than a decade, you deliver multiple championships, you consistently work your @ss off to succeed and you fill the stands every single night you are going to have fans. Kobe's success translates into Lakers success. Kobe's failures translates into Laker failures. So for that fact alone I am a proud Kobe stan and Laker fan. What I find pathetic is why continue to push such a pathetic idea that a Kobe stan is not necessarily a Laker fan with such passion. Now Lebronites - umm that is different -just for the simple fact that those fans will jump ship as soon as Lebron leaves Miami. It has been proven, no way to deny it and it will happen again if Lebron ever leaves Miami - however unlikely.

[QUOTE=secund2nun] Running out of ammo? The loaded squad is barely above .500 yet was predicted by most people to be a serious NBA title contender. That alone is all the ammo needed. They are arguably the biggest disappointment in NBA history. LA going on a streak without Kobe and actually improving will be the final nail in the coffin.


The biggest dissapointment in history already happened, booked, with the coffin closed. Maybe you need to catch up with the news.

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/Funny%20NBA%20Record/Lebron%20James/aka%20big%20choker/lebron-james-2011-nba-final-4q.jpg

But not to skip on your claim. Maybe, maybe if you consider all the injuries, the coaching and the coaching changes, the new system, the expectations, the new players, chemistry etc....maybe then and only then you might revise your opinion or simply continue to ignore it for the fact of denial. The fact that your claim is outrageous and that you as well as your groupie peers are out of ammo. Twisting facts works well if you consider pathetic the bar.



One man do to all of the work? Defense is 50% of the game and Kobe's defense has been pathetic all season long. Also the Lakers' offense is a lot better when the play team ball, not Kobe jacking up a million shots ball. This is not unique- LA has always been like this with Kobe. Kobe ball is generally a bad sign and team ball is when the Lakers win. Kobe destroys the offensive flow.

Maybe it's denial or maybe it's your inability to digest the game that your comments are pathetic. Well have you considered why Kobe goes into hero mode. Have you considered the fact that his teammates usually create bad habits just by the fact that he's soooo good. I mean there is plenty of evidence and countless accounts of Kobe's teammates that attest to the fact that they themselves become complacent watching greatness. Artest, Pau, Odom, coaches. It's a predicament to force players the ball and risk turnovers when you(Kobe) know that the players in question are simply scared of the moment and believes you (Kobe) have the best ability to make shots down in crunch time. On one hand you can force feed such players and live with the results or live with the result of your confidence in your ability to deliver for 17 yrs. As such, take the glory for the win, take the criticism for the losses - -- as you usually expect and never absent in this forum.

Lets also consider that it's the coach's job to call a time out, huddle up, draw plays, hold players accountable as well as demand and enforce the execution of a certain style of play while in the game. Pop, Rivers, Thibs - now those are real coaches. So, shouldn't coaches do so? Shouldn't D'Antoni do so? Shouldn't Mike Brown and D'Antoni do what Phill had the balls to do? That is, coach a player in Kobe Bryant. Maybe too, was D'Antoni and Mike Brown facing the same predicaments stated above and simply just need time to adjust? Maybe the team as a whole needs time to adjust. Maybe the coach is simply scared or is a bad coach. The possibilities....

As for the other comment. It's no news that a player as old and with as many miles under his legs as Kobe Bryant half @sses on defense 50% of the time - whatever your statistic comes up to be. Most stars, given the freedom do so will- including the best players in the league. But anyway it's undebatable and widely known around the league of Kobe's habits as he has grown older. Could that improve, absolutely. Now, to say that Kobe Bryant does not, at times, does all the work, both offensively and defensively down in close games, or in key decisive moments during games is absurd. As he has shown this season, for stretches he can do such a thing and still show why he is still a top 5 player in the league and outshine anyone in the court with him. AKA win you games. As for "team ball" that is redundant. Team ball wins championships. 5 championships, 7 Final appearances is more than any "team player" in this league can attest to teamwork. Except well, the still to retire Tim Duncan (love the guy). How the Lakers get to play team ball is more of what's in question. That's for the team and coaches to figure out as they go along -which is how it has happened for the past 17 years of Kobe's career. It hasn't happened because of someone's suggestion on a forum. It happens because of wins/losses, because of experiences, because of adjustments, because of changes in attitudes that only the players on the court, for themselves have to figure out each and every season. Are the Lakers figuring it out? Yes they are - called chemistry. Are wins putting negative pressure at times on that concept? Yes that too. The best team wins the championship. Point?

[jjayfive]

trade him...

[G-Funk]

The man is just unbelievable for showing up. A great leader indeed. the motivation he provided was enough for the win.

[chosen_one6]

As expected, Lakers beat a good team minus ChuckBe. As expected, Laker homers come up with multiple excuses as for why it happened. LOL

[I<3NBA]

Kobetards on suicide watch. :lol i am loving it!

[Bond007]

Kobe is such a warrior..:bowdown: :applause:

[tazb]

Lakers with Kobe = 30 points on 30 shots. Lakers without Kobe = better ball movement and better defense.

[Bond007]

Unbelievable....Coachbe dominating even while injured:applause:

[PickernRoller]

Kobetards on suicide watch. :lol i am loving it!

Lakers clinching to that 8th spot WITHOUT Kobe - YESSS :applause: :bowdown:

If by suicide watch you mean those times when posters here tried calling 911 cause you had quit on Lebron and the Heat during the Pacers series last season then no. I have yet to see a suicide watch of that kind. Regretfully I think most can attest that it was unfortunate you survived. Fortunately, you can still serve as comic relief.

Heat going strong...:cheers:

[usa hoops]

Lakers clinching to that 8th spot WITHOUT Kobe - YESSS :applause: :bowdown:

If by suicide watch you mean those times when posters here tried calling 911 cause you had quit on Lebron and the Heat during the Pacers series last season then no. I have yet to see a suicide watch of that kind. Regretfully I think most can attest that it was unfortunate you survived. Fortunately, you can still serve as comic relief.

Heat going strong...:cheers:

Indiana played a terrible game. That had nothing to do with Kobe.

[Quizno]

No I'm not.

I know a fake chucker when I see one.

I never liked AI & Kobe is a same catagory.

anyone can chuck, chuck & chuck & get to 35 ppg.

But not everyone can get 25 ppg & 10 rpg.

Anyone can shoot 45%FG or Less.

Not everyone can shoot 50%FG or more.

& please dont lecture me about "there is not much difference btw 45% & 50%, its only 5% difference"

But the reality is the difference btw Winner & looser is a SINGLE Pt. Thats the only Truth.

AI & Kobe has SHOT their way to LOSSES.

MJ & LBJ has SHOT their way to VICTORIES.
kobe shot himself to 5 rings. RIP your argument

[chosen_one6]

kobe shot himself to 5 rings. RIP your argument

Really? So he never had Derek Fisher, Robert Horry, Shaquille O'Neal, Lamar Odom, Andrew Bynum, or Pau Gasol?

Why do people make Kobe out to be some god that never had teammates? :oldlol:

[usa hoops]

Really? So he never had Derek Fisher, Robert Horry, Shaquille O'Neal, Lamar Odom, Andrew Bynum, or Pau Gasol?

Why do people make Kobe out to be some god that never had teammates? :oldlol:

Same reason why MJ is made to be a God, when all his rings came with Pippen. And he also had role players like Paxson who hit key three pointers.

[chosen_one6]

Same reason why MJ is made to be a God, when all his rings came with Pippen. And he also had role players like Paxson who hit key three pointers.

No one ever says "MJ shot himself to 6 rings" though. Misinformed statements make me go :wtf: :banghead:

[Scholar]

Really? So he never had Derek Fisher, Robert Horry, Shaquille O'Neal, Lamar Odom, Andrew Bynum, or Pau Gasol?

Why do people make Kobe out to be some god that never had teammates? :oldlol:

Really? So MJ never had Pippen, Rodman, Longley, Kerr, etc.?
So LeBron never had Wade, Bosh, Miller, Cole, Chalmers, etc?

Stupid ass argument. You're saying LeBron & MJ "shot" their way to wins while Kobe shot his way to "losses," but last time anyone checked, Kobe has 5 rings compared to your lover's 1.

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Edit: Didn't realize you weren't gheniskhan. It's hard telling you LBJ dick riders apart.

[chosen_one6]

Really? So MJ never had Pippen, Rodman, Longley, Kerr, etc.?
So LeBron never had Wade, Bosh, Miller, Cole, Chalmers, etc?

Stupid ass argument. You're saying LeBron & MJ "shot" their way to wins while Kobe shot his way to "losses," but last time anyone checked, Kobe has 5 rings compared to your lover's 1.

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Edit: Didn't realize you weren't gheniskhan. It's hard telling you LBJ dick riders apart.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize being a fan of a player meant you were a dick rider. Does that mean if you're a fan of a team, you ride every players dick on the roster? :rolleyes:

[DonDadda59]

Why would anyone be shocked that a team featuring a 18/13 3x DPOY and a 2X MVP great playmaker would win a game? :confusedshrug:

I know Bean fans like to belittle these all star caliber players to try to prop up their boy, but these guys have led their teams to deep playoff runs individually but you expect them to not win a regular season game together?

[Breezy]

Here is me trying to strike a realistic balance between the Kobe Fans and the Kobe haters.

In the short term the Lakers are better without Kobe for exactly the reason the Haters say. He plays hero ball a lot and he gets the rest of the team used to standing around and watching him go one on one and jacking up contested 30 footers. With him out of the lineup they play better team basketball and since they have great TEAM pieces It's no surprise they played well.

HOWEVER!!!!

In order for them to be the best team they can be Kobe is their most valuable piece. The times when Kobe plays within the flow of the offense (I'm thinking 08-10) is when his teams traditionally have been really good. He attracts so much attention from the defense that it opens things up for everyone else.

Too long didn't read version: The'll be better without him for now, But if they are going to be great they need him.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Apparantly, Kobe took Dwight's advice seriously about learning to play through pain.

[PickernRoller]

Indiana played a terrible game. That had nothing to do with Kobe.

Coupled with the fact that Twan broke his shooting slump, blake broke his shooting slump as well as Metta - it helps. Look at the stats for those guys in the hawks game - horrible and it wasn't because of lack of open looks. Plenty of open looks that could have broken the game wide open. Just a bad game overall. Kobe was missing shots, other lakers were missing shots, the offense just went haywire because of this fact and to finish off Kobe got injured by that piece of shit Jones. Haters just mad the Lakers are winning regardless. The team just won't go away - regardless of seeding.

[Legends66NBA7]

Obviously the Lakers need Kobe during the season and for the playoffs but a game like this just helps shut the Kobestans up about the SO CALLED LACK of talent on the Lakers.

I don't pay attention to many of the Kobe stans, but it's not a lack of talent. It's a lack of chemistry, injuries to key players, coaching changes, etc... The way they won the game was excellent, but they had the sense of urgency. Also, their bench players in Jamison and Blake really picked it up. I'm not expecting that again.

Look, the same thing happened last year with the Spurs and Bynum went off and they did go on a little mini-run... Means next to nothing if the Lakers don't make noise in the playoffs.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Lakers with Kobe = 30 points on 30 shots. Lakers without Kobe = better ball movement and better defense.

The Lakers had an offensive rating of 100.8 last night.

Their season average is 107.7. :confusedshrug:

[cotdt]

The Lakers had an offensive rating of 100.8 last night.

Their season average is 107.7. :confusedshrug:

This. If Kobe played, Lakers would have won by an additional 7 points.

[Ne 1]

Lakers with Kobe = 30 points on 30 shots. Lakers without Kobe = better ball movement and better defense.

The "when Kobe shoots less" argument has always been one of the stupidest thing I've ever heard. When Bryant shoots less, that means his teammates are playing a good game so he doesnt have to shoot alot of shots. That is true for almost any team. When your supporting cast is giving quality support then naturally, you will take less shots. It's a pointless argument.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Why would anyone be shocked that a team featuring a 18/13 3x DPOY and a 2X MVP great playmaker would win a game? :confusedshrug:

I know Bean fans like to belittle these all star caliber players to try to prop up their boy, but these guys have led their teams to deep playoff runs individually but you expect them to not win a regular season game together?
Ummm maybe cause the Pacers have one of the best records in the entire NBA. Ummm maybe cause the Pacers are 26-8 at home. What a lame asss NBA fan you are. BTW when is the last time Artest won a DPOY and Nash won MVP?

[MMM]

Kobe is not a cancer
but he is cancerish
so are most 1st tier star players

[HorryIsMyMVP]

The "when Kobe shoots less" argument has always been one of the stupidest thing I've ever heard. When Bryant shoots less, that means his teammates are playing a good game so he doesnt have to shoot alot of shots. That is true for almost any team. When your supporting cast is giving quality support then naturally, you will take less shots. It's a pointless argument.
Well ideally he would never shootl

[crisoner]

Why is this thread have so many pages? Stop feeding the troll!!!

[gengiskhan]

kobe shot himself to 5 rings. RIP your argument

Kobe shot himself to 2004 NBA finals LOSS & 2008 NBA Finals LOSS despite being picked F.A.V.O.R.I.T.I.E.S to win it all.

Shaq shot LAL to 2000, 2001, 2002 3 consequitive rings.

Bynum-Gasol combo shot LAL to 2009,2010 TWO back-2-back rings.

STONE COLD FACTS:

Bynum was injured in 2008 NBA Finals. MVP Kobe SHOT himself to LOSS.

Bynum-Gasol both healthy in 2009 & 2010. NBA's best Big Men Combo shot themselves to 2 Championships. (Kobe 6/24 FG. :roll: :applause: )

RIP your Argument!

[Ne 1]

2001 playoffs: Kobe 22 FGA's Per Game = Lakers win championship

2002 playoffs: Kobe 23 FGA's Per Game = Lakers win championship

2009 playoffs: Kobe 23 FGA's Per Game - Lakers win championship

2010 playoffs: Kobe 22 FGA's Per Game = Lakers win championship

Led the Lakers in FGA's each of those season.

bb-but Kobe shots too much! :lol

[gengiskhan]

2001 playoffs: Kobe 22 FGA's Per Game = Lakers win championship thanks to SHAQ'S SHEER DOMINANCE!

2002 playoffs: Kobe 23 FGA's Per Game = Lakers win championship thanks to SHAQ's DOMINANCE!

2009 playoffs: Kobe 23 FGA's Per Game - Lakers win championship thanks to BYNUM-GASOL's EFFICIENCY! superior to chucker.

2010 playoffs: Kobe 22 FGA's Per Game = Lakers win championship thanks to BYNUM-GASOL'S HEALTH & EFFICIENCY.

Led the Lakers in FGA's each of those season BUT still shot 6/24. Thanks to BYNUM-GASOL NBA's most efficient BIG MEN COMBO saving the LAL from 2008 fate.

2004 playoffs: Kobe 22+FGA's per Game = Lakers LOOSE despite being Favorites CUZ SHAQ REFUSED TO SAVE THIS CHUCKER FOR ONCE!

bb-Who is SHAQ. He never won any FMVP. He was never Kobe's BIG BRO. :lol

Corrected for FULL RETARD. :coleman:

[crisoner]

Last time I checked Bynum was hurt in 2009 and 2010 as well. Smh

[DonDadda59]

The Lakers had an offensive rating of 100.8 last night.

Their season average is 107.7. :confusedshrug:


This. If Kobe played, Lakers would have won by an additional 7 points.

Yeah... might want to check out the last time the Lakers played the Pacers. Lakers only scored 77 points. Bean had 40 points on 12/28 shooting. Lakers had an offensive rating of 79.7 The Lakers lost :confusedshrug:

[DonDadda59]

BTW when is the last time Artest won a DPOY and Nash won MVP?

Please show me where I mentioned World Peace in my post :lol

And Nash won his second MVP two seasons before Bean won his first/last one.

[funnystuff]

Dwight's 7/17. :lol higher FG my a$$.
Moron.


7/17 is a higher FG% than 11/33.

[Twiens]

This is Steve Blake's team now.
:cry:

Fixed

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Yeah... might want to check out the last time the Lakers played the Pacers. Lakers only scored 77 points. Bean had 40 points on 12/28 shooting. Lakers had an offensive rating of 79.7 The Lakers lost :confusedshrug:
Are you saying the Lakers without Kobe are a better team than the Indiana Pacers? LOL

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Please show me where I mentioned World Peace in my post :lol

And Nash won his second MVP two seasons before Bean won his first/last one.
yeah my bad, was playing 3 tables of poker and not thinking clearly.

[DonDadda59]

Are you saying the Lakers without Kobe are a better team than the Indiana Pacers? LOL

I'm not saying anything. The numbers and facts say that this season the Lakers performed much better against the Pacers with Kobe as a non factor than they did when he was out there chucking. Men lie, women lie, numbers don't :pimp:


yeah my bad, was playing 3 tables of poker and not thinking clearly.

Clearly :cheers:

[PJR]

The Lakers have a career .620 winning % without Kobe in his 17 years.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

I'm not saying anything. The numbers and facts say that this season the Lakers performed much better against the Pacers with Kobe as a non factor than they did when he was out there chucking. Men lie, women lie, numbers don't :pimp:



Clearly :cheers:
Didn't think so, now move along coward. Shame the game wasn't nationally televised so your broke asss coulda atleast watched the game for once instead of talking out the side of your neck.

[Twiens]

http://i.usatoday.net/communitymanager/_photos/game-on/2012/05/18/aaablakex-inset-community.jpg

[steve franchise]

"There's three types of Lies: Regular lies, Damn lies, and Stats" Kenny Smith

:applause:

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Funny how many hours DonDadda59 put into this topic, yet he didn't even watch the game. Keep checking them box scores.:cheers:

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Kobetards on suicide watch. :lol i am loving it!
Maybe we should switch teams like you do every couple years. Go Spurs, Go Kings, Go Blazers....now the guy is all like, "Go Heat".

[DonDadda59]

Didn't think so, now move along coward. Shame the game wasn't nationally televised so your broke asss coulda atleast watched the game for once instead of talking out the side of your neck.

How does one talk out of the side of his neck? I don't have gills :confusedshrug:

Sorry about the #s hurting your feelings doe, nothing I could do about it :cheers:

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

How does one talk out of the side of his neck? I don't have gills :confusedshrug:

Sorry about the #s hurting your feelings doe, nothing I could do about it :cheers:
You could never hurt one's feelings. You didn't even watch the game you spent several hours dissecting. :lol

[gengiskhan]

The Lakers have a career .620 winning % without Kobe in his 17 years.

Talk about the LMP, Least Valuable Player ever in Lakers Franchise.

[Ne 1]

The Lakers have a career .620 winning % without Kobe in his 17 years.


And how many championships have they won without Kobe in his 17 years? How many championship did they win in 10 years (1989-1998) before Kobe became a starter for the Lakers?

[gengiskhan]

And how many championships have they won without Kobe? How many championship did they win in 20 years (1979-1998) before Kobe became a starter for the Lakers?

11 to be exact!

Magic Johnson, the greatest Laker ever gave them 5 rings in '80s decade.

Magic Johnson gave lakers his 1st championship as ROOKIE. & won FMVP as rookie. Youngest FMVP ever in history

who needs Kobe!

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

11 to be exact!

Magic Johnson, the greatest Laker ever gave them 5 rings in '80s decade.

Magic Johnson gave lakers his 1st championship as ROOKIE. & won FMVP as rookie. Youngest FMVP ever in history

who needs Kobe!
u?

[Deuce Bigalow]

The Lakers have a career .620 winning % without Kobe in his 17 years.
Without Shaq 04-05 to 12-13
433-270 regular season record
.612 winning %
2 championships
3 conference titles
59-42 playoff record
13-5 playoff series record
.584 winning %

Kobe played in all but 30 regular season games.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Yeah... might want to check out the last time the Lakers played the Pacers. Lakers only scored 77 points. Bean had 40 points on 12/28 shooting. Lakers had an offensive rating of 79.7 The Lakers lost :confusedshrug:

Held the Pacers to a 81.7 offensive rating that game as well.

#12timealldefensiveteamselection

[Askmeificare]

As most people would think Kobe is the reason for their winnings, it's actually Kobe fault for their losses.

Without Kobe's 11/33 = More touches for Howard at a higher fg% and more touches for every other player.
Better team chemistry and more ball movement compared to Kohog ball.

Kobe = Cancer
Kobrick = Benched
Koclonk = Lakers Loss

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