What is the worst finals MVP performance in modern history?

[secund2nun]

2010 Kobe is number 1. Parker in 07 and Billups in 04 also come to mind. Who else?

Total list so far:

Kobe
Pierce
Billups
Parker

[jstern]

Probably Kobe's. Not that that means he's a bad player.

[Vienceslav]

Oh boy , is the main ISH board now a Kobe board?

[Pursuer]

Wow that seems a little narrow-minded. I always considered Paul Pierce's trophy very shaky.

[tazb]

Kobe's easily. Gasol got robbed.

[DonDadda59]

6/24 in Game 7.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Wow that seems a little narrow-minded. I always considered Paul Pierce's trophy very shaky.
i still remember the look of disappointment on Ray-Ray's face

[gengiskhan]

6/24 in Game 7.

Da Man has spoken. Respect for ma brothaa.

[theBIGjabroni]

billups

[Ne 1]

If you consider the '80s as the start of the modern era, then it's easily Cedric Maxwell and Chauncey Billups.

:oldlol: @ Kobe in '10. Even most people were saying that even if the Lakers had lost that series that Kobe could get the Finals MVP award ala Jerry West when he lost in the Finals, but still won MVP in '69.

Kobe limited Rondo big time. Everyone was proclaiming him the best PG in the game before that series. Other than one game, he never went off. The one game he did, Kobe was in foul trouble.

I don't think most people realize how tough it is for a guard to get 15 rebounds. Kobe came up huge in game 7. Who kept the team in perspective the whole series? Kobe and Fisher. If you pay attention to those press conferences, Kobe was sending a message to the team. Gasol mentioned this.

Kobe disrupted the most important player on the other team (Rondo). Rondo is the engine that made the Celtics run. Kobe turned him into the Little Engine that Couldn't.

The bottom line is that nobody shot well for their positions. Kobe's FG% in game 7 is the only reason this is a discussion. Regardless his overall stats are by far the best. And I said before it's based purely on numbers without the biases and agendas found on ISH. I know Kobe detractors really wanted Gasol to win it, but his numbers although good for him, aren't Kobe's.

29 PTS 8.0 REBS 5 AST 2.14 STL

[PJR]

6/24 in Game 7.

Agreed.

[secund2nun]

Wow that seems a little narrow-minded. I always considered Paul Pierce's trophy very shaky.

Pierce is a good one forgot about him.

[jlip]

Wow that seems a little narrow-minded. I always considered Paul Pierce's trophy very shaky.

^This^

I believe that was one of those, "highest scoring avg. = MVP" quick decisions. It's not that Pierce was a bad choice. It was just that it was by no means clear cut and very debatable.

[PJR]

If you consider the '80s as the start of the modern era, then it's easily Cedric Maxwell and Chauncey Billups.

:oldlol: @ Kobe in '10. Even most people were saying that even if the Lakers had lost that series that Kobe could get the Finals MVP award ala Jerry West when he lost in the Finals, but still won MVP in '69.

Kobe limited Rondo big time. Everyone was proclaiming him the best PG in the game before that series. Other than one game, he never went off. The one game he did, Kobe was in foul trouble.

I don't think most people realize how tough it is for a guard to get 15 rebounds. Kobe came up huge in game 7. Who kept the team in perspective the whole series? Kobe and Fisher. If you pay attention to those press conferences, Kobe was sending a message to the team. Gasol mentioned this.

Kobe disrupted the most important player on the other team (Rondo). Rondo is the engine that made the Celtics run. Kobe turned him into the Little Engine that Couldn't.

The bottom line is that nobody shot well for their positions. Kobe's FG% in game 7 is the only reason this is a discussion. Regardless his overall stats are by far the best. And I said before it's based purely on numbers without the biases and agendas found on ISH. I know Kobe detractors really wanted Gasol to win it, but his numbers although good for him, aren't Kobe's.

29 PTS 8.0 REBS 5 AST 2.14 STL

Didn't read.

[theBIGjabroni]

^This^

I believe that was one of those, "highest scoring avg. = MVP" quick decisions. It's not that Pierce was a bad choice. It was just that it was by no means clear cut and very debatable.
its clear who deserved that mvp, kg, but we all know why pierce got it

[Ne 1]

6/24 in Game 7.

5-19 in Game 6

10-27 Game 7

[ProfessorMurder]

^This^

I believe that was one of those, "highest scoring avg. = MVP" quick decisions. It's not that Pierce was a bad choice. It was just that it was by no means clear cut and very debatable.

KG deserved it, but they gave it to Pierce as a 'you stayed on this team forever' thing.

Kobe's in 2010 was terrible though.

[theBIGjabroni]

Didn't read.
because you most likely cant read

[TheMarkMadsen]

Didn't read.


No surprise here illiterate people can't read

I'm just glad you had enough time on your hands so that you could quote it & make a post telling us you didn't read it..

[Rysio]

07 parker
04 billups
05 duncan
08 pierce
12 lebron
96 jordan

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

No surprise here illiterate people can't read

I'm just glad you had enough time on your hands so that you could quote it & make a post telling us you didn't read it..
:lol

[Rubio2Gasol]

Garnett deserved FMVP.

That's not to say his performance was worse than Parkers or Billups' but those were two great complete teams so you can understand their awards.

[tmacattack33]

Kobe 2010 didn't deserve it. Gasol shoulda gotten it. Though, Gasol wasn't super amazing either so it wasn't too bad that he didn't get it.


Pierce 2008 didn't really deserve it either. Allen and KG played just as good, if not better.

[Ne 1]

96 jordan

This one is accurate.

During the Finals Jordan not only shot terribly from the field, he was absolute shit in the fourth quarters too (shot 33.3% in them, and only 15.4% in the fourth quarters of the three close games). In the two close wins of the series, Rodman averaged 11 offensive rebounds/game. He was setting records, and when MJ was shooting the team out of the game with bricks (rest of the team struggled shooting wise too though), it was Rodman getting all those rebounds to give Bulls the extra possessions. The Bulls as a team shot much lower than Sonics in that series...why do you think they still won? They got 34 more possessions from offensive rebounds (Rodman alone had 41!). MJ's scoring could have been replaced in that series, but Rodman's historic offensive rebounding? Not so much.

Rodman should have been the MVP of that Finals. The Bulls shot much worse from the field than the Sonics in the Finals but still won. How did that happen? Simple. The Bulls got more shot opportunities from offensive rebounds basically negating many of their misses. Rodman, by himself, secured and additional 41 possessions for the Bulls with his offensive rebounding including 2 games where he tied an NBA Finals record. That's like playing H-O-R-S-E and someone giving you multiple "do overs" after you've missed.

In the deciding Game 6 Jordan went 5-19 (26 FG%) while Rodman set a Finals record with 11 offensive rebounds. At the very least he was the MVP of the close out Game 6.

[cotdt]

I agree Gasol had a case for Finals MVP in 2010, but Kobe's 29.5/8.0/5.4 average while shutting down Rondo is pretty damn impressive. People will always bring up 6/24 in Game 7 but nobody shot well in that tough defensive game.

[Nezty]

^This^

I believe that was one of those, "highest scoring avg. = MVP" quick decisions. It's not that Pierce was a bad choice. It was just that it was by no means clear cut and very debatable.


I feel like they gave it to Pierce out of respect. Since he is the captain of the team and was in shitty Celtic teams.

[tmacattack33]

This one is accurate.

During the Finals Jordan not only shot terribly from the field, he was absolute shit in the fourth quarters too (shot 33.3% in them, and only 15.4% in the fourth quarters of the three close games). In the two close wins of the series, Rodman averaged 11 offensive rebounds/game. He was setting records, and when MJ was shooting the team out of the game with bricks (rest of the team struggled shooting wise too though), it was Rodman getting all those rebounds to give Bulls the extra possessions. The Bulls as a team shot much lower than Sonics in that series...why do you think they still won? They got 34 more possessions from offensive rebounds (Rodman alone had 41!). MJ's scoring could have been replaced in that series, but Rodman's historic offensive rebounding? Not so much.

Rodman should have been the MVP of that Finals. The Bulls shot much worse from the field than the Sonics in the Finals but still won. How did that happen? Simple. The Bulls got more shot opportunities from offensive rebounds basically negating many of their misses. Rodman, by himself, secured and additional 41 possessions for the Bulls with his offensive rebounding including 2 games where he tied an NBA Finals record. That's like playing H-O-R-S-E and someone giving you multiple "do overs" after you've missed.

In the deciding Game 6 Jordan went 5-19 (26 FG%) while Rodman set a Finals record with 11 offensive rebounds. At the very least he was the MVP of the close out Game 6.

False.

No one is winning a damn Finals MVP for rebounding alone.

Maybe if Rodman shut Kemp down, he'd have had a shot.

But Kemp put up 23.3 ppg on superb efficiency (55% FG and a TS% of 62.5) and 10.0 rpg.

[ProfessorMurder]

I agree Gasol had a case for Finals MVP in 2010, but Kobe's 29.5/8.0/5.4 average while shutting down Rondo is pretty damn impressive.

I didn't realize that sagging 10 feet off of a guy is 'shutting them down'.

[GoSpursGo1984]

2010 Kobe is number 1. Parker in 07 and Billups in 04 also come to mind. Who else?

Total list so far:

Kobe
Pierce
Billups
Parker

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8RaYTaqPrV0/T6ggRe-TtMI/AAAAAAAACl0/geC50VRiUFM/s1600/kobe+bryant+lakers+gif+omg+wtf+is+going+on.gif

[Droid101]

Pierce no question. Didn't he have a 2 point game?

[ProfessorMurder]

Pierce no question. Didn't he have a 2 point game?

No he didn't, he had a 6 point game in 2008.

Ray Allen had a 2 point game in game 3 2010.

[Whoah10115]

KG should have been the FMVP in 2008, but Pierce was easily better than Ray. And his won wasn't that wrong.


As far as worst...I don't get that word. You can rank them and one will be lower than the rest (unless there's a tie) but this thread is really about a. Kobe and b. ripping on other players. It's also about Kobe.


In all honesty, outside of Pierce for KG and Duncan for Manu...it's been pretty accurate going back, until worthy completely robbed Magic Johnson. I mean, that was a crime.

I also think Magic should have Kareem's in 85. An I think Bird should have beaten Maxwell in 81. I was gonna say Willis Reed in 1973, but I remember that being an all-around team. No one was that impressive, to be honest. Boring series too. I think Frazier should have won in 1970...then again, it's tough. Actually, I think Jerry West was the best player on the floor in that series. Dave Cowens should have won...1976 I think it was.

[Mr. Jabbar]

What is the worst agenda thread in modern history: this one.

[Droid101]

No he didn't, he had a 6 point game in 2008.

Ray Allen had a 2 point game in game 3 2010.
6 point game, that's the one I was thinking of.

Ray Allen should have had MVP that year, IMO, or KG.

[ProfessorMurder]

Ray Allen should have had MVP that year, IMO, or KG.


KG should have been the FMVP in 2008, but Pierce was easily better than Ray. And his won wasn't that wrong.

I just looked at the numbers and Ray was much better than I remember. Ray put up numbers, much more efficiently. The only big difference is Pierce's assists and turnovers are much higher.

Big 4 stats, finals only:

Garnett - 18.2 ppg / 13 reb / 3 ast / 1.7 stl / 1 blk / 2.7 to on 42.9 fg% / 76 ft%

Rondo - 9.3 ppg / 3.8 reb / 6.7 ast / 1.5 stl / .5 blk / 1.5 to on 37.7 fg% / 59.3 ft%

Pierce - 21.8 ppg / 4.5 reb / 6.3 ast / 1.2 stl / .3 blk / 3.7 to on 43.2 fg% / 39.3 3pt% / 83 ft%

Ray - 20.3 ppg / 5 reb / 2.5 ast / 1.3 stl / .7 blk / 1.8 to on 50.7 fg% / 52.4 3pt% / 86.7 ft%


I'd still give it to KG... Plus I think KG was the leader of the Celtics in scoring through all the playoffs that year.

[Doranku]

I always find it amusing when people point out that Gasol should've been FMVP because Kobe went 6-24 in Game 7, yet completely ignore the fact that Gasol himself shot 6-16 from the field and 7-13 from the line in that game.

Anyway, the answer to the OP is either Pierce in '08 or Billups in '04. Can't go wrong with either.

[MaxFly]

Lol, for those who are adamant that Pau Gasol should have won that Finals MVP in 2010, am I the only one who remembers how he played when the series moved to Boston for three games?

[shadow]

I always find it amusing when people point out that Gasol should've been FMVP because Kobe went 6-24 in Game 7, yet completely ignore the fact that Gasol himself shot 6-16 from the field and 7-13 from the line in that game.

Anyway, the answer to the OP is either Pierce in '08 or Billups in '04. Can't go wrong with either.

Not to mention the six other games that were played.

[DFish24]

Paul Pierce or Chauncey Billups

[jstern]

This one is accurate.

During the Finals Jordan not only shot terribly from the field, he was absolute shit in the fourth quarters too (shot 33.3% in them, and only 15.4% in the fourth quarters of the three close games). In the two close wins of the series, Rodman averaged 11 offensive rebounds/game. He was setting records, and when MJ was shooting the team out of the game with bricks (rest of the team struggled shooting wise too though), it was Rodman getting all those rebounds to give Bulls the extra possessions. The Bulls as a team shot much lower than Sonics in that series...why do you think they still won? They got 34 more possessions from offensive rebounds (Rodman alone had 41!). MJ's scoring could have been replaced in that series, but Rodman's historic offensive rebounding? Not so much.

Rodman should have been the MVP of that Finals. The Bulls shot much worse from the field than the Sonics in the Finals but still won. How did that happen? Simple. The Bulls got more shot opportunities from offensive rebounds basically negating many of their misses. Rodman, by himself, secured and additional 41 possessions for the Bulls with his offensive rebounding including 2 games where he tied an NBA Finals record. That's like playing H-O-R-S-E and someone giving you multiple "do overs" after you've missed.

In the deciding Game 6 Jordan went 5-19 (26 FG%) while Rodman set a Finals record with 11 offensive rebounds. At the very least he was the MVP of the close out Game 6.

This is the 3rd time you copied and pasted that same post.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=196355

http://207.58.151.151/forum/showpost.php?p=7171002&postcount=26

Didn't Jordan shoot 41.4% that series? Which is Kobe's career finals.

[NumberSix]

Although I think KG deserved FMVP, that doesn't mean PP had a bad finals. I'd say it's easily Kobe's '10 FMVP.

[Droid101]

I just looked at the numbers and Ray was much better than I remember. Ray put up numbers, much more efficiently. The only big difference is Pierce's assists and turnovers are much higher.

Big 4 stats, finals only:

Garnett - 18.2 ppg / 13 reb / 3 ast / 1.7 stl / 1 blk / 2.7 to on 42.9 fg% / 76 ft%

Rondo - 9.3 ppg / 3.8 reb / 6.7 ast / 1.5 stl / .5 blk / 1.5 to on 37.7 fg% / 59.3 ft%

Pierce - 21.8 ppg / 4.5 reb / 6.3 ast / 1.2 stl / .3 blk / 3.7 to on 43.2 fg% / 39.3 3pt% / 83 ft%

Ray - 20.3 ppg / 5 reb / 2.5 ast / 1.3 stl / .7 blk / 1.8 to on 50.7 fg% / 52.4 3pt% / 86.7 ft%


I'd still give it to KG... Plus I think KG was the leader of the Celtics in scoring through all the playoffs that year.
With those numbers and being the true defensive anchor, I concur, KG should have won.

But still, Raygun with the 52% threes? I think his line is better than Pierce's and he didn't lay an egg in one of the games like Pierce did.

[9512]

Tony parker in 07. It was the easiest path ever against a much less talented team in the Cavs.

Not saying he's a bad player.

[Droid101]

Although I think KG deserved FMVP, that doesn't mean PP had a bad finals. I'd say it's easily Kobe's '10 FMVP.
If you think this:

Pierce - 21.8 ppg / 4.5 reb / 6.3 ast / 1.2 stl / .3 blk / 3.7 to on 43.2 fg% / 39.3 3pt% / 83 ft%

Is better than this:

Bryant - 28.6 ppg / 8.0 reb / 3.9 ast / 2.1 stl / 0.7 blk / 3.9 to on 40.5 fg% / 31.9 3pt% / 88.3 ft%

- also taking into account Kobe outrebounded everyone on the opposing team (including the opposing PF and Center), you're a fool.

[Bandito]

If you consider the '80s as the start of the modern era, then it's easily Cedric Maxwell and Chauncey Billups.

:oldlol: @ Kobe in '10. Even most people were saying that even if the Lakers had lost that series that Kobe could get the Finals MVP award ala Jerry West when he lost in the Finals, but still won MVP in '69.

Kobe limited Rondo big time. Everyone was proclaiming him the best PG in the game before that series. Other than one game, he never went off. The one game he did, Kobe was in foul trouble.

I don't think most people realize how tough it is for a guard to get 15 rebounds. Kobe came up huge in game 7. Who kept the team in perspective the whole series? Kobe and Fisher. If you pay attention to those press conferences, Kobe was sending a message to the team. Gasol mentioned this.

Kobe disrupted the most important player on the other team (Rondo). Rondo is the engine that made the Celtics run. Kobe turned him into the Little Engine that Couldn't.

The bottom line is that nobody shot well for their positions. Kobe's FG% in game 7 is the only reason this is a discussion. Regardless his overall stats are by far the best. And I said before it's based purely on numbers without the biases and agendas found on ISH. I know Kobe detractors really wanted Gasol to win it, but his numbers although good for him, aren't Kobe's.

29 PTS 8.0 REBS 5 AST 2.14 STL:applause:

I concur with everything you said. Gasol was great on that Finals but Kobe deserved it. He work hard for it as the other players did.

[knicksman]

kobe coz his ring and eventually FMVP was gifted by the refs.

[longtime lurker]

How is Kobe's finals MVP any worse than Chauncey Billups :oldlol:

Kobe vs Gasol game by game stats in the finals.

Game 1
Kobe -30,7,6 10-22 FG 1 stl 1 blk
Gasol-23,14,3 8-14 FG 1 stl 1 blk

Game 2
Kobe-21,5,6 8-20 FG 4 stl 0 blk
Gasol-25,8,3 7-10 FG 1 stl 6 blk

Game 3
Kobe-29,7,4 10-29 FG 2 stl 3 blk
Gasol-13,10,4 5-11 FG 0 stl 2 blk

Game 4
Kobe -33,6,2 10-22 FG 2 stl 0 blk
Gasol-21,6,3 6-13 FG 0 stl 2 blk

Game 5
Kobe-38,5,4 13-27 FG 1 stl 1 blk
Gasol-12,12,0 5-12 FG 2 stl 0 blk

Game 6
Kobe -26,11,3 9-19 FG 4 stl 0 blk
Gasol-17,12,9 6-14 FG 1 stl 3 blk

Game 7
Kobe -23,15,2 6-24 FG 1 stl 0 blk
Gasol-19,18,4 6-16 FG 0 stl 2 blk

So I fail to see how Gasol deserved the MVP over Kobe considering Kobe was the more consistent player and better all around player. Not saying that Gasol didn't do his thing but if somehow Gasol was named the 2010 Finals MVP he'd be one of the weakest finals MVP performances so the haters logic doesn't even make sense :confusedshrug:

[I.R.Beast]

KG deserved it, but they gave it to Pierce as a 'you stayed on this team forever' thing.

Kobe's in 2010 was terrible though.
Pierce deserved that MVP for what he did on both ends of the floor....

[ThaRegul8r]

So is this supposed to be about "worst Finals MVP performance" or "worst player to win Finals MVP"? Because from some of the responses, it appears that some of the people replying don't know.

[cotdt]

Let's change the topic to "which current superstar choked in the Finals the most often and lost?"

[ballinhun8]

Has to be 2006 Dwayne Wade.




Refs were totally robbed of that MVP that Finals. Crawford, Javey, Bavetta were all more deserving.

[NumberSix]

Let's change the topic to "which current superstar choked in the Finals the most often and lost?"
IMO, a choke is losing when you should have won. Like, Durant didn't by any means choke last season. Harden certainly did. LeBron choked in 2011, but not in 2007. Kobe didn't choke in 2008. The Celtics were the better team. He did however choke/chuck in 2004. The Lakers really should have won that series.

[longtime lurker]

IMO, a choke is losing when you should have won. Like, Durant didn't by any means choke last season. Harden certainly did. LeBron choked in 2011, but not in 2007. Kobe didn't choke in 2008. The Celtics were the better team. He did however choke/chuck in 2004. The Lakers really should have won that series.

They had no chance as soon as Malone went down.

[TheMarkMadsen]

They had no chance as soon as Malone went down.


Don't worry man he knows that, he is a big lakers fan after all :roll:

[wakencdukest]

Re: What is the worst finals MVP performance in modern history?

Answer: Who gives a f@ck, you dumb motherf@#kers. I'll take the ten worst finals MVP performances if it means ten rings. Goddamn, you people are idiots.

[Magic 32]

Kobe 2010 didn't deserve it. Gasol shoulda gotten it.



Why?

Because he had better stats?

How about the 3 road games. Letting Big Baby dominate in game 4. Padding his stats in game 1 (with Kobe resting in the 4th), shooting below 47% in the last 5 games of the series. Shooting 6 for 16 in the game 7.

Gimme a break!

[gengiskhan]

They had no chance as soon as Malone went down.

Its amazing its always Shaq's fault or Malone's fault when Kobe chucks away 38%FG & looses.

Kobe CHOKED!. Just admit it.

Kobe'tards are indeed FULL RETARDS!

[gengiskhan]

IMO, a choke is losing when you should have won. Like, Durant didn't by any means choke last season. Harden certainly did. LeBron choked in 2011, but not in 2007. Kobe didn't choke in 2008. The Celtics were the better team. He did however choke/chuck in 2004. The Lakers really should have won that series.

ABSOLUTELY NOT!

2008 LALs were PICKED as FAVORITES to win the series (HINT: Season MVP was playing for Lakers in his prime. LAL had seasoned veteran NBA Finals coach in Phil J vs Doc Rivers a rookie finalist)

2008 Lakers were PICKED to win it all in 6 games. BOS were only suppose to give them a tough fight.

[willds09]

1. Lebron 2012, 2. Wade 2006

[Big#50]

Worst? I can't call an MVP winner worst.
But Parker's was the least impressive. Billups was average. Kobe deserve his. He was still the best player of that series. Gasol was very good but not as good. A lot of people here don't value leadership. Kobe was the leader.

[willds09]

Its amazing its always Shaq's fault or Malone's fault when Kobe chucks away 38%FG & looses.

Kobe CHOKED!. Just admit it.

Kobe'tards are indeed FULL RETARDS!
Shaq was real upset at Kobe that season especially after that false rape incident

[DMV2]

I just looked at the numbers and Ray was much better than I remember. Ray put up numbers, much more efficiently. The only big difference is Pierce's assists and turnovers are much higher.

Big 4 stats, finals only:

Garnett - 18.2 ppg / 13 reb / 3 ast / 1.7 stl / 1 blk / 2.7 to on 42.9 fg% / 76 ft%

Rondo - 9.3 ppg / 3.8 reb / 6.7 ast / 1.5 stl / .5 blk / 1.5 to on 37.7 fg% / 59.3 ft%

Pierce - 21.8 ppg / 4.5 reb / 6.3 ast / 1.2 stl / .3 blk / 3.7 to on 43.2 fg% / 39.3 3pt% / 83 ft%

Ray - 20.3 ppg / 5 reb / 2.5 ast / 1.3 stl / .7 blk / 1.8 to on 50.7 fg% / 52.4 3pt% / 86.7 ft%


I'd still give it to KG... Plus I think KG was the leader of the Celtics in scoring through all the playoffs that year.
I honestly thought Allen was the Finals MVP, by a slight margin. Hell, they could have split that into 3 for Garnett too.

And offensively, Allen's contributions was more "impact" in the Finals than Pierce was.

2008 season and 09 season, they were neck-in-neck. But Allen declined 2010-present, while Pierce has still been good since.

[Heavincent]

If you consider the '80s as the start of the modern era, then it's easily Cedric Maxwell and Chauncey Billups.

:oldlol: @ Kobe in '10. Even most people were saying that even if the Lakers had lost that series that Kobe could get the Finals MVP award ala Jerry West when he lost in the Finals, but still won MVP in '69.

Kobe limited Rondo big time. Everyone was proclaiming him the best PG in the game before that series. Other than one game, he never went off. The one game he did, Kobe was in foul trouble.

I don't think most people realize how tough it is for a guard to get 15 rebounds. Kobe came up huge in game 7. Who kept the team in perspective the whole series? Kobe and Fisher. If you pay attention to those press conferences, Kobe was sending a message to the team. Gasol mentioned this.

Kobe disrupted the most important player on the other team (Rondo). Rondo is the engine that made the Celtics run. Kobe turned him into the Little Engine that Couldn't.

The bottom line is that nobody shot well for their positions. Kobe's FG% in game 7 is the only reason this is a discussion. Regardless his overall stats are by far the best. And I said before it's based purely on numbers without the biases and agendas found on ISH. I know Kobe detractors really wanted Gasol to win it, but his numbers although good for him, aren't Kobe's.

29 PTS 8.0 REBS 5 AST 2.14 STL

This.

Barely anyone actually thinks Gasol deserved it over Kobe. Kobe detractors on ISH are really the ones who try to say that.

[Whoah10115]

1. Lebron 2012, 2. Wade 2006


Stop being whack.

[Ne 1]

LeBron choked in 2011, but not in 2007. Kobe didn't choke in 2008. The Celtics were the better team. He did however choke/chuck in 2004. The Lakers really should have won that series.

In that '07 series LeBron averaged 22 ppg, 7 rpg, 6.8 apg, but he shot 35.6%(20% on 3's and 69% from the line) while averaging 5.8 turnovers per game and 22.5 shots per game.

Come on, that's as bad as Kobe's 2004 series, especially when you consider the fact that LeBron's team was swept and the '04 Pistons are very arguably the GOAT defensive team. Granted, Kobe's team was favored to win while Lebron's wasn't, but Lebron's series was so far below what you expect from him. Also the Lakers losing wasn't all Kobe's fault despite what the detractors say. The rest of the team outside of Shaq shoot 33%, Malone was injured, Shaq played lazy defensively and on the boards, Payton was just atrocious on both ends of the floor and the Lakers had a weak bench. The biggest blow-out loss came in the game where he only had 13 shots, so it definitely wasn't just him "chucking" for being the reason they lost the series.

[Whoah10115]

The Lakers should have won in 2004? I thought they were beat in 5 and that the one game they won (the Kobe 3) was them stealing victory from the jaws of defeat. They were BEAT in every single game. No, they shouldn't have really won that series. Payton sucked and Malone wasn't able to walk. They got destroyed by a vastly superior team.

[tazb]

1. Lebron 2012, 2. Wade 2006

3. Melo. Oh wait. :lol

[I<3NBA]

Kobe. a rapist should never be MVP. sets a bad example to kids.

[dh144498]

In that '07 series LeBron averaged 22 ppg, 7 rpg, 6.8 apg, but he shot 35.6%(20% on 3's and 69% from the line) while averaging 5.8 turnovers per game and 22.5 shots per game.

Come on, that's as bad as Kobe's 2004 series, especially when you consider the fact that LeBron's team was swept and the '04 Pistons are very arguably the GOAT defensive team. Granted, Kobe's team was favored to win while Lebron's wasn't, but Lebron's series was so far below what you expect from him. Also the Lakers losing wasn't all Kobe's fault despite what the detractors say. The rest of the team outside of Shaq shoot 33%, Malone was injured, Shaq played lazy defensively and on the boards, Payton was just atrocious on both ends of the floor and the Lakers had a weak bench. The biggest blow-out loss came in the game where he only had 13 shots, so it definitely wasn't just him "chucking" for being the reason they lost the series.

this. :applause:

[rmt]

07 parker
04 billups
05 duncan
08 pierce
12 lebron
96 jordan

When it REALLY, REALLY COUNTS:

Duncan's game 7:

"His complete game is so sound, so fundamnetal, so unnoticed at times, because if he didn't score, people think, 'Well, he didn't do anything,'" Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said. "But he was incredible and he was the force that got it done for us."

"You follow your leader," Spurs guard Tony Parker said. "Timmy is the leader of the team, and he just carried us tonight."

"He put his team on his shoulders and carried them to a championship," Pistons center Ben Wallace said. "That's what the great players do."

"You could tell when he caught the ball, how much more physical he was, getting in position and bumping and grinding and getting shots and making sure he got toward the rim, so that when people came at him he was in good position to open up a teammate," Popovich said.

"A lot of the shots they made, open shots, came as a result of us having a hard time guarding him," Brown said. "That's why he's such a great player."

http://www.nba.com/games/20050623/DETSAS/recap.html

Compared to Kobe's game 7:

"... the more I tried to push, the more it kept getting away from me.

[Nick Young]

6/24 in Game 7.
15 rebounds in game 7, FROM A SHOOTING GUARD playing against THE BEST REBOUNDING PG IN THE LEAGUE not to mention he shut down Ray Allen:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

In otherwords, the GOAT rebounding performance by an SG in the finals

[9512]

^This^

I believe that was one of those, "highest scoring avg. = MVP" quick decisions. It's not that Pierce was a bad choice. It was just that it was by no means clear cut and very debatable.

How about Tony Parker? He's lucky Duncan let him go on his one man wrecking crew mode.

It was a dream match up for Parker who only had to guard scrubs like boobie Gibson and complacent Larry Hughes.

[Magic 32]

"Ron Artest was the most valuable player tonight," Phil Jackson said. "He brought life to our team."

http://www.webcitation.org/5wfrwRtjY

Great, lets give the MVP to World Peace then :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

[ukplayer4]

people discussing the 08 finals and declaring pierce's fmvp as shaky based purely on the numbers arent even getting the full picture- ray also played insanely good defense on kobe in 4th quarters, like some of the best d thats ever been played on kobe. ray should have been fmvp, most people felt like that at the time as well....

[NumberSix]

In that '07 series LeBron averaged 22 ppg, 7 rpg, 6.8 apg, but he shot 35.6%(20% on 3's and 69% from the line) while averaging 5.8 turnovers per game and 22.5 shots per game.

Come on, that's as bad as Kobe's 2004 series, especially when you consider the fact that LeBron's team was swept and the '04 Pistons are very arguably the GOAT defensive team. Granted, Kobe's team was favored to win while Lebron's wasn't, but Lebron's series was so far below what you expect from him. Also the Lakers losing wasn't all Kobe's fault despite what the detractors say. The rest of the team outside of Shaq shoot 33%, Malone was injured, Shaq played lazy defensively and on the boards, Payton was just atrocious on both ends of the floor and the Lakers had a weak bench. The biggest blow-out loss came in the game where he only had 13 shots, so it definitely wasn't just him "chucking" for being the reason they lost the series.
No, it isn't. You're just quoting stats. No context of what actually happened.

LeBron was option #1, #2, #3, #4, etc...

SAS could afford to load up all their defensive effort on to 1 player because they didn't have to respect any other player on the Cavs. That context matters.

Cleveland had no business being competitive in that series, and they werent. They should have been swept just like they were. It's not like they under performed.

[ZaaaaaH]

Although I think KG deserved FMVP, that doesn't mean PP had a bad finals. I'd say it's easily Kobe's '10 FMVP.


This Troll and his hate for Kobe :facepalm


No doubt KG deserved that FMVP. Ray over PP is just :lol

[NumberSix]

This Troll and his hate for Kobe :facepalm


No doubt KG deserved that FMVP. Ray over PP is just :lol
How is it "hate"?

Kobe '10 is a pretty popular response in here. It's not just "Kobe haters". It's obviously a common and perfect reasonable opinion.

And the KG thing, you obviously agree. So, where's the "hate"?

[ZaaaaaH]

How is it "hate"?

Kobe '10 is a pretty common response in here. It's not just "Kobe haters". It's obviously a valid and perfect reasonable opinion.

And the KG thing, you obviously agree. So, where's the "hate"?


Im not even just talking about this thread. You are bias towards Kobe no matter what the topic is .
Kobe '10 EASILY having the Worst Finals GTFO. Either you really hate Kobe or you just dont watch basketball.

[NumberSix]

Im not even just talking about this thread. You are bias towards Kobe no matter what the topic is .
Kobe '10 EASILY having the Worst Finals GTFO. Either you really hate Kobe or you just dont watch basketball.
I actually defend Kobe quite a lot too. It's not my fault if you only want to pay attention to the negative.

[strike]

The trolling in this thread has reached epic proportions. I guess that's to be expected with the Lakers getting into the playoffs now and all the haters crawling out from under the woodworks.

Here are the stats for the FMVPs since 00
PTS R A S B FG%
00 - Shaq - 38.0 16.7 2.3 1.0 2.7 61%
01 - Shaq - 33.0 15.8 4.8 0.4 3.4 57%
02 - Shaq - 36.3 12.3 3.8 0.5 2.8 59%
03 - Duncan - 24.2 17.0 5.3 1.0 5.3 49%
04 - Billups - 21.0 3.2 5.2 1.2 0.0 51%
05 - Duncan - 20.6 14.1 2.1 0.4 2.1 42%
06 - Wade - 34.7 7.8 3.8 2.7 1.0 47%
07 - Parker - 24.5 5.0 3.3 0.8 0.0 57%
08 - Pierce - 21.8 4.5 6.3 1.2 0.3 43%
09 - Kobe - 32.4 5.6 7.4 1.4 1.4 43%
10 - Kobe - 28.6 8.0 3.9 2.1 0.7 41%
11 - Dirk - 26.0 9.7 2.0 0.7 0.7 42%
12 - Lebron - 28.6 10.2 7.4 1.6 0.4 47%

Lets look at this purely from a STATISTICAL stand point. Are you really telling me that 10 Kobe has worse stats than 11 Dirk? I guess everyone is picking on 10 Kobes FG%. How about Duncan in 05? 42% as a PF? Or Pierce in 08? Kobe had the points and the rebounds in 10. Yes his FG% was poor but that was against a GREAT Boston D lets not forget.

I'd say Dirk 11 Duncan 05 and Pierce 08 all had worse STATISTICAL FMVP statistics.

[ZaaaaaH]

I actually defend Kobe quite a lot too. It's not my fault if you only want to pay attention to the negative.

Sure you do :lol

LOL :applause:

[NumberSix]

The trolling in this thread has reached epic proportions. I guess that's to be expected with the Lakers getting into the playoffs now and all the haters crawling out from under the woodworks.

Here are the stats for the FMVPs since 00
PTS R A S B FG%
00 - Shaq - 38.0 16.7 2.3 1.0 2.7 61%
01 - Shaq - 33.0 15.8 4.8 0.4 3.4 57%
02 - Shaq - 36.3 12.3 3.8 0.5 2.8 59%
03 - Duncan - 24.2 17.0 5.3 1.0 5.3 49%
04 - Billups - 21.0 3.2 5.2 1.2 0.0 51%
05 - Duncan - 20.6 14.1 2.1 0.4 2.1 42%
06 - Wade - 34.7 7.8 3.8 2.7 1.0 47%
07 - Parker - 24.5 5.0 3.3 0.8 0.0 57%
08 - Pierce - 21.8 4.5 6.3 1.2 0.3 43%
09 - Kobe - 32.4 5.6 7.4 1.4 1.4 43%
10 - Kobe - 28.6 8.0 3.9 2.1 0.7 41%
11 - Dirk - 26.0 9.7 2.0 0.7 0.7 42%
12 - Lebron - 28.6 10.2 7.4 1.6 0.4 47%

Lets look at this purely from a STATISTICAL stand point. Are you really telling me that 10 Kobe has worse stats than 11 Dirk? I guess everyone is picking on 10 Kobes FG%. How about Duncan in 05? 42% as a PF? Or Pierce in 08? Kobe had the points and the rebounds in 10. Yes his FG% was poor but that was against a GREAT Boston D lets not forget.

I'd say Dirk 11 Duncan 05 and Pierce 08 all had worse STATISTICAL FMVP statistics.
You can't include Duncan because of his defensive impact. He's out of this conversation right off the bat.

You have a case with dirk though. He'd get my vote for most overrated performance. People act like he was godlike when in actuality, he was just ok. He might get an edge over Kobe due to his late game heroics though.

[truhooper]

Kobe's easily. Gasol got robbed.
:applause:

[ZaaaaaH]

You can't include Duncan because of his defensive impact. He's out of this conversation right off the bat.

You have a case with dirk though. He'd get my vote for most overrated performance. People act like he was godlike when in actuality, he was just ok. He might get an edge over Kobe due to his late game heroics though.


:facepalm

Lets judge everything by numbers and dont consider impact from the game.:facepalm

Dirk was Clearly the Best player on the court in that series and the Entire Playoffs.

[Lebowski]

The trolling in this thread has reached epic proportions. I guess that's to be expected with the Lakers getting into the playoffs now and all the haters crawling out from under the woodworks.

Here are the stats for the FMVPs since 00
PTS R A S B FG%
00 - Shaq - 38.0 16.7 2.3 1.0 2.7 61%
01 - Shaq - 33.0 15.8 4.8 0.4 3.4 57%
02 - Shaq - 36.3 12.3 3.8 0.5 2.8 59%
03 - Duncan - 24.2 17.0 5.3 1.0 5.3 49%
04 - Billups - 21.0 3.2 5.2 1.2 0.0 51%
05 - Duncan - 20.6 14.1 2.1 0.4 2.1 42%
06 - Wade - 34.7 7.8 3.8 2.7 1.0 47%
07 - Parker - 24.5 5.0 3.3 0.8 0.0 57%
08 - Pierce - 21.8 4.5 6.3 1.2 0.3 43%
09 - Kobe - 32.4 5.6 7.4 1.4 1.4 43%
10 - Kobe - 28.6 8.0 3.9 2.1 0.7 41%
11 - Dirk - 26.0 9.7 2.0 0.7 0.7 42%
12 - Lebron - 28.6 10.2 7.4 1.6 0.4 47%

Lets look at this purely from a STATISTICAL stand point. Are you really telling me that 10 Kobe has worse stats than 11 Dirk? I guess everyone is picking on 10 Kobes FG%. How about Duncan in 05? 42% as a PF? Or Pierce in 08? Kobe had the points and the rebounds in 10. Yes his FG% was poor but that was against a GREAT Boston D lets not forget.

I'd say Dirk 11 Duncan 05 and Pierce 08 all had worse STATISTICAL FMVP statistics.

Damn Shaq.. those are real MVP-numbers.

[MMM]

I can understand KG over Pierce in 08 but not Ray

Ray shot better and defended Kobe well. However, Pierce also defended Kobe well and usually did it down the stretch of games. Pierce also had a bigger role in the offense especially after Rondo got banged up and as a result was out best play maker. So in that context i can understand why he shot a bit poorly but his overall impact was larger than Ray's

[DMAVS41]

The trolling in this thread has reached epic proportions. I guess that's to be expected with the Lakers getting into the playoffs now and all the haters crawling out from under the woodworks.

Here are the stats for the FMVPs since 00
PTS R A S B FG%
00 - Shaq - 38.0 16.7 2.3 1.0 2.7 61%
01 - Shaq - 33.0 15.8 4.8 0.4 3.4 57%
02 - Shaq - 36.3 12.3 3.8 0.5 2.8 59%
03 - Duncan - 24.2 17.0 5.3 1.0 5.3 49%
04 - Billups - 21.0 3.2 5.2 1.2 0.0 51%
05 - Duncan - 20.6 14.1 2.1 0.4 2.1 42%
06 - Wade - 34.7 7.8 3.8 2.7 1.0 47%
07 - Parker - 24.5 5.0 3.3 0.8 0.0 57%
08 - Pierce - 21.8 4.5 6.3 1.2 0.3 43%
09 - Kobe - 32.4 5.6 7.4 1.4 1.4 43%
10 - Kobe - 28.6 8.0 3.9 2.1 0.7 41%
11 - Dirk - 26.0 9.7 2.0 0.7 0.7 42%
12 - Lebron - 28.6 10.2 7.4 1.6 0.4 47%

Lets look at this purely from a STATISTICAL stand point. Are you really telling me that 10 Kobe has worse stats than 11 Dirk? I guess everyone is picking on 10 Kobes FG%. How about Duncan in 05? 42% as a PF? Or Pierce in 08? Kobe had the points and the rebounds in 10. Yes his FG% was poor but that was against a GREAT Boston D lets not forget.

I'd say Dirk 11 Duncan 05 and Pierce 08 all had worse STATISTICAL FMVP statistics.


I think Kobe's game 7 in 10 has a large impact on where people put that performance. With Dirk, his clutch play boosts his performance which wasn't anything special stats wise. Also, Dirk played a game sick as a dog and people factor that in as well.

[NumberSix]

:facepalm

Lets judge everything by numbers and dont consider impact from the game.:facepalm

Dirk was Clearly the Best player on the court in that series and the Entire Playoffs.

How did you miss that the entire point of my post was to NOT judge everything on numbers? Jeez.

anyhow, it's not called the "PMVP". We're talking about the finals. Dirk's finals were good. Not great.

He didn't have some kind of epic defensive impact and he did go on long stretches where his shot wasn't falling. Like I said though, even with his shot not falling, his late game heroics give him an edge.

What am I saying here that's not factually correct?

[Rubio2Gasol]

1. The level of play in the 2010 finals, the level of defense, coaching, the value of rebounding , and the fact that half the players in the series couldn't buy a shot due to all these things need to be factored in. The degree of of offensive responsibility Kobe had in the series also needs to be contextualized. He scored an absurd clip of the teams actual points that series. His defensive impact should also be taken into account.

2. In Dirk's 2011 case the fact that he was the only consistent source of scoring for the Mav's and the fact that the offense was largely dependent on his ability to score needs to be recognized. He was by some distance the best and most important player on either team.

3.In Duncan's 2005 case. How did Duncan get dragged into this? He averaged 20,14,and 2 against one of the best defensive front courts this game has ever seen. When did 20 and 14 become bad. Jesus Christ.

As others mentioned he had a huge defensive impact - but it was more about the security of having him allowing perimeter defenders to do their thing than the other way around.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

In order to Pau Gasol to have a legit case for the Finals MVP in 2010 he would have had to outscore Kobe AND be more efficient. This is based on the historical voting of the award.


Today I want to look at this phenomenon statistically, and see how often the winning team's agreed-upon "best player" won Finals MVP honors, how the second bananas' numbers compared to the Alpha Dogs' during the Finals, and hopefully determine what kind of handicap a non-"Alpha Dog " faces when vying for the award.


Given this info, we can identify these situations where the Finals MVP was most likely neither the winning team's best player nor its Alpha Dog:

2008 Boston Celtics - Alpha Dog/Best Player: Kevin Garnett ... Finals MVP: Paul Pierce
2007 San Antonio Spurs - Alpha Dog/Best Player: Tim Duncan ... Finals MVP: Tony Parker
2004 Detroit Pistons - Alpha Dog/Best Player: Rip Hamilton ... Finals MVP: Chauncey Billups
1989 Detroit Pistons - Alpha Dog/Best Player: Isiah Thomas ... Finals MVP: Joe Dumars
1988 L.A. Lakers - Alpha Dog/Best Player: Magic Johnson ... Finals MVP: James Worthy
1981 Boston Celtics - Alpha Dog/Best Player: Larry Bird ... Finals MVP: Cedric Maxwell
1980 L.A. Lakers - Alpha Dog/Best Player: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar ... Finals MVP: Magic Johnson
1979 Seattle Sonics - Alpha Dog/Best Player: Gus Williams ... Finals MVP: Dennis Johnson
1978 Washington Bullets - Alpha Dog/Best Player: Elvin Hayes ... Finals MVP: Wes Unseld
What can we glean from these anomalies?



It looks like the second banana generally needs to outscore the Alpha Dog as a prerequisite to vie for Finals MVP honors. They also must shoot with more efficiency to have a chance. In a close series, these restrictions are loosened a bit; all you apparently need is to have a big game at the end of the series and for the Alpha Dog to have a disappointing one. (The only exception took place in 1979, when Dennis Johnson won over Gus Williams largely for his defense.)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=6431

As usual the criticism of Kobe getting awarded something relies on him being judged by different standards than everybody else receiving that award in league history. :confusedshrug:

[NumberSix]

Let's all just agree that finals mvp is an overrated award.

[Whoah10115]

1. The level of play in the 2010 finals, the level of defense, coaching, the value of rebounding , and the fact that half the players in the series couldn't buy a shot due to all these things need to be factored in. The degree of of offensive responsibility Kobe had in the series also needs to be contextualized. He scored an absurd clip of the teams actual points that series. His defensive impact should also be taken into account.

2. In Dirk's 2011 case the fact that he was the only consistent source of scoring for the Mav's and the fact that the offense was largely dependent on his ability to score needs to be recognized. He was by some distance the best and most important player on either team.

3.In Duncan's 2005 case. How did Duncan get dragged into this? He averaged 20,14,and 2 against one of the best defensive front courts this game has ever seen. When did 20 and 14 become bad. Jesus Christ.

As others mentioned he had a huge defensive impact - but it was more about the security of having him allowing perimeter defenders to do their thing than the other way around.


Agendas don't read.

[Rasheed1]

:facepalm this ongoing Kobe vs. Mj vs. Lebron is mad annoying

every day its the same thing: KOBEKOBEKOBEKOBEKOBEKOBEKOBEKOBEKOBEKOBEKOBEKOBEKO BEKOBEKOBEKOBEKOBEKOBEKOBEKOBEKOBEKOBEKOBEKOBEKOBE KOBEKOBEKOBEKOBEKOBEKOBEKOBEKOBEKOBEKOBEKOBEKOBEKO BEKOBEKOBEKOBE/LEBRONLEBRONLEBRONLEBRONLEBRONLEBRONLEBRONLEBRONLE BRONLEBRONLEBRONLEBRONLEBRONLEBRONLEBRONLEBRONLEBR ONLEBRONLEBRONLEBRONLEBRON
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[Bosnian Sajo]

Lol, for those who are adamant that Pau Gasol should have won that Finals MVP in 2010, am I the only one who remembers how he played when the series moved to Boston for three games?

Anything to make Kobe look worse, its funny how this board works :oldlol:

[TheMan]

This is the 3rd time you copied and pasted that same post.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=196355

http://207.58.151.151/forum/showpost.php?p=7171002&postcount=26

Didn't Jordan shoot 41.4% that series? Which is Kobe's career finals.
lol, that jackass Ne1 tries waaaaaay too hard, lol

[ZaaaaaH]

How did you miss that the entire point of my post was to NOT judge everything on numbers? Jeez.

anyhow, it's not called the "PMVP". We're talking about the finals. Dirk's finals were good. Not great.

He didn't have some kind of epic defensive impact and he did go on long stretches where his shot wasn't falling. Like I said though, even with his shot not falling, his late game heroics give him an edge.

What am I saying here that's not factually correct?


But you did with Dirk :facepalm


We all know its FMVP. I was just letting you know how great Dirk was that year in his Playoff run.

No one is going to make a "EPIC" Defensive impact with Load that Dirk had to carry on Offense. Only person maybe is Duncan but he still had much better players who can create on offensive end then Dirk did.

wtf you talking about being Factual?

[HPye7]

im gonna protect chauncey billups, the whole point of fmvp is best player on best team and even though its arguable i thought chauncey was most important.

i feel like all around great teams (like those pistons) that werent carried definitively by a superstar (d wade heat) make it harder to have a definitive fmvp, but it doesnt make it less important

[ZaaaaaH]

1. The level of play in the 2010 finals, the level of defense, coaching, the value of rebounding , and the fact that half the players in the series couldn't buy a shot due to all these things need to be factored in. The degree of of offensive responsibility Kobe had in the series also needs to be contextualized. He scored an absurd clip of the teams actual points that series. His defensive impact should also be taken into account.

2. In Dirk's 2011 case the fact that he was the only consistent source of scoring for the Mav's and the fact that the offense was largely dependent on his ability to score needs to be recognized. He was by some distance the best and most important player on either team.

3.In Duncan's 2005 case. How did Duncan get dragged into this? He averaged 20,14,and 2 against one of the best defensive front courts this game has ever seen. When did 20 and 14 become bad. Jesus Christ.

As others mentioned he had a huge defensive impact - but it was more about the security of having him allowing perimeter defenders to do their thing than the other way around.


These are some Common sense stuff these kids dont even think about.

These new Generation kids are so sad with lack of Logic due to Google.

[TheBigVeto]

Kobe's easily. Gasol got robbed.

THIS.

[Boston C's]

k.g's numbers looked great in 08 but when it was going on I remember the finals talk being between ray and pierce after 4 games with ppl givin ray the slight edge since his numbers were better at the time through 4 games...pierce then went bonkers droppin 38 in game 5 and his numbers went up...I thought ray should have won it in 08 due to him being the most consistent performer and doing a great job on kobe...pierce did great while defending kobe that yr too but ray was no slouch...he knew how to force kobe into help D and make him take difficult shots

[Magic 32]

THIS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcQbCdlVnS8

The best player in on the floor, period. Game 1 is not even a debate.

Kobe was better in all of the road games. Again, not even close (in fact Gasol's play was disgraceful at times).

So all you can point to are game 2 (a loss), game 6 (a blowout with Kobe resting) and game 7 (when Gasol shot 3-12 in the first half).


...Idiot.

[MAC system]

Only on ish will you hear that a guy that went 30/8/5 had a bad series. I'm kinda drunk right now but the one that came to mind immediately was parker in 07 or 05, cant remember the year.

[Baller1986]

Only on ish will you hear that a guy that went 30/8/5 had a bad series. I'm kinda drunk right now but the one that came to mind immediately was parker in 07 or 05, cant remember the year.


Parker averaged 24.5 ppg on 57 FG% in the 2007 NBA Finals. TP9 abused the Cavaliers back court.

[longhornfan1234]

Parker averaged 24.5 ppg on 57 FG% in the 2007 NBA Finals. TP9 abused the Cavaliers back court.

Agaisnt rookie Boobie Gibson and hobbled Eric Snow? Ha impressive.

[dh144498]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcQbCdlVnS8

The best player in on the floor, period. Game 1 is not even a debate.

Kobe was better in all of the road games. Again, not even close (in fact Gasol's play was disgraceful at times).

So all you can point to are game 2 (a loss), game 6 (a blowout with Kobe resting) and game 7 (when Gasol shot 3-12 in the first half).


...Idiot.

this. :applause: if his teammates showed up earlier then they would have beaten the Celtics before 7 games.

[9512]

Let's all just agree that finals mvp is an overrated award.

Not unlike being NCAA All American.

Get hot during conference play, beat some teams in the NCAA tourny, and win Player of the tournament because of hot streak.