Haha @ The Holy Bible

[HardwoodLegend]

Didn't know this was in there.

Ezekiel 23:14-21 is hands down the funniest passage written. That n1gga God is hilarious.

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[Loneshot]

Lol you just know some dude out of his mind or pissed after a break up wrote that passage. I wonder how many of them exactly it was that got together to write the bible, and how did they know so many would believe them about it being the gospel of some ultimate being.

[Baller1986]

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/2219307/moses-o.gif

[embersyc]

Those damn donkey **** horse sperming Chaldeans did it again!

[JerryWest]

http://i.imgur.com/aBu8O.png

[Faptastrophe]

That book is filled with funny stuff.

You can look up the full verses here (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/).

1 Corinthians 11:14 (Men should not have long hair)
1 Corinthians 14:34-35 (Women should remain silent in church)
Deuteronomy 13:6-16 (Death penalty for Apostasy)
Deuteronomy 20:10-14 (Attack city, kill all men, keep women, children as spoils of war)
Deuteronomy 21:18-21 (Death penalty for a rebellious son)
Deuteronomy 22:19-25 (Kill non-virgin/kill adulterers/rapists)
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 (Pay virgin’s parents for raping her)
Ecclesiastes 1:18 (Knowledge is bad)
Exodus 21:1-7 (Rules for buying slaves)
Exodus 35:2 (Death for working on the Sabbath)
Ezekiel 9:5-6 (Murder women/children)
Ezekiel 23:19-20 (A whore who had sex with men hung like donkeys)
Galatians 5:2-4 (If you are circumcised, Christ has nothing for you)
Genesis 1:3,4,5,11,12,16 (God creates light, night and day, plants grow, before creating sun)
Genesis 3:16 (Man shall rule over woman)
Jeremiah 19:9 (Cannibalism)
John 3:18 (He who believes in Jesus is saved, he that doesn’t is condemned)
John 5:46-47 (Jesus references Old Testament)
1 Kings 7:23 (Pi equals 3)
Leviticus 3:1-17 (Procedure for animal sacrifice)
Leviticus 19:19 (No mixed fabrics in clothing)
Leviticus 19:27 (Don’t trim hair or beard)
Leviticus 19:28 (No tattoos)
Leviticus 20:9 (Death for cursing father or mother)
Leviticus 20:10 (Death for adultery)
Leviticus 20:13 (Death for gay men)
Leviticus 20:15 (Death for bestiality)
Leviticus 20:18 (No sex with a woman on her period)
Leviticus 21:17-23 (Ugly people, lame, dwarfs, not welcome on altar)
Leviticus 25:45 (Strangers can be bought as slaves)
Luke 12:33 (Sell your possessions, and give to the poor)
Luke 14:26 (You must hate your family and yourself to follow Jesus)
Mark 10:11-12 (Leaving your spouse for another is adultery)
Mark 10:21-22 (Sell your possessions and give to the poor)
Mark 10:24-25 (Next to impossible for rich to get into heaven)
Mark 16:15-16 (Those who hear the gospel and don’t believe go to hell)
Matthew 5:17-19 (Jesus says he has come to enforce the laws of the Old Testament)
Matthew 6:5-6 (Pray in secret)
Matthew 6:18 (Fast for Lent in secret)
Matthew 9:12 (The healthy don’t need a doctor, the sick do)
Matthew 10:34-37 (Jesus comes with sword, turns families against each other, those that love family more than him are not worthy)
Matthew 12:30 (If you’re not with Jesus, you’re against him)
Matthew 15:4 (Death for not honouring your father and mother)
Matthew 22:29 (Jesus references Old Testament)
Matthew 24:37 (Jesus references Old Testament)
Numbers 14:18 (Following generations blamed for the sins of previous ones)
Psalms 137:9 (Violence against children)
Revelation 6:13 (The stars fell to earth like figs)
Revelation 21:8 (Unbelievers, among others, go to hell)
1 Timothy 2:11-12 (Women subordinate and must remain silent)
1 Timothy 5:8 (If you don’t provide for your family, you are an infidel)
Zechariah 14:2 (Women ravished when city is taken in battle)

[rufuspaul]

[QUOTE=HardwoodLegend]Didn't know this was in there.

Ezekiel 23:14-21 is hands down the funniest passage written. That n1gga God is hilarious.

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[ace23]

That n1gga God is hilarious.
Almost as funny as the passage itself. :oldlol: The bible was written by humans.

[JerryWest]

:banana:

[DukeDelonte13]

Almost as funny as the passage itself. :oldlol: The bible was written by humans.


Most of the world's christians get this. America is unique as we have all these non denominational and independent christian churches that don't have the tradition and history that the orthodox or catholic churches have, so they rely 100% on just the bible. They take it literally.

[HardwoodLegend]

The Bible was written by humans. Very smart, eloquent, organized and sometimes horny/misogynistic humans.

As a Christian growing up, I was raised to believe that each word was inspired by "God's touch" though and that the book was protected from sabotage and rogue human interference under his care.

No longer being Christian, clearly I do not believe that any more. Some of these men had their sex-deprived agendas as motivational fuel for their words.

[Sarcastic]

Slightly OT, but it looks like the show about the bible on the History Channel tried to make the devil look like Obama. Anyone else see this?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/satanic-looking-obama-history-channel-broadcast-article-1.1291615


http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1291614.1363609536!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/satan19n-1-web.jpg

[DukeDelonte13]

The Bible was written by humans. Very smart, eloquent, organized and sometimes horny/misogynistic humans.

As a Christian growing up, I was raised to believe that each word was inspired by "God's touch" though and that the book was protected from sabotage and rogue human interference under his care.

No longer being Christian, clearly I do not believe that any more. Some of these men had their sex-deprived agendas as motivational fuel for their words.


raised catholic. Went to catholic school for 8 years. They taught us that the bible was written by normal people, and that it has constantly been changed and revised. That its full of stories that people wrote on how they thought the world came to be, or how things worked, and that you shouldn't take the bible literally, but just appreciate the lessons it teaches. We were taught it is a holy book, but its supplementary to the religion, not the definitive word.

[DukeDelonte13]

Slightly OT, but it looks like the show about the bible on the History Channel tried to make the devil look like Obama. Anyone else see this?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/satanic-looking-obama-history-channel-broadcast-article-1.1291615


http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1291614.1363609536!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/satan19n-1-web.jpg

i'm a dem and i think that's awesome. :oldlol:

[Clifton]

Slightly OT, but it looks like the show about the bible on the History Channel tried to make the devil look like Obama. Anyone else see this?
Yeah I watched most of it yesterday. What an odd series. Anyone catch Kevin Garnett conquering Jericho? :oldlol:

And why on earth is the series called "The Bible"? That's goofy. It's the Christian narrative of salvation history. It's contained in a bunch of books that were codified into a definitive collection around 300 AD or so. We call that the Bible because it means "book" in Greek. :oldlol: That title doesn't tell you anything about the story.

Yeah, the Obama Satan was funny. So was the "big black guy with dreds" Samson. So was pretty much everything, actually.

You have to keep in mind that this series is basically a cash cow aimed at midwestern Evangelicals, so the devil resembling Obama is ho-hum.

[Clifton]

Another evil character who is very Obama-like is the guy in Breaking Bad. Anyone notice this?

It's not intentional; Bryan Cranston is a very active social liberal.

[Norcaliblunt]

I picked up the Holy Bible and it burned my hands...

[PrettyCool]

"and the lord spoke, though shalt run train on this harlot til' thy genitals become empty of jizzism"

[HardwoodLegend]

"and the lord spoke, though shalt run train on this harlot til' thy genitals become empty of jizzism"

Thou shalt run caravan.

[HardwoodLegend]

No wonder that twisted pervert SilkkTheShocker is so religious.

He discovered this Bible verse before he found his dad's Playboy.

[SilkkTheShocker]

The Bible is the only book that matters.

[SilkkTheShocker]

No wonder that twisted pervert SilkkTheShocker is so religious.

He discovered this Bible verse before he found his dad's Playboy.


Typical garbage being spewed from an Atheist. Its not my fault you got bullied in school or your parents didn't love you. Don't take it out on God.

[OhNoTimNoSho]

[QUOTE=HardwoodLegend]
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[HardwoodLegend]

Typical garbage being spewed from an Atheist. Its not my fault you got bullied in school or your parents didn't love you. Don't take it out on God.

You are such a terrible messenger for God. You're doing him no favors in bringing more followers to his flock. All you have is your fear of what may happen to you if you don't bow down to some book full of claims written at a time you weren't even alive to substantiate. If there is a God, he's frowning upon you for not adhering to his message and only flinging ad hominem attacks at those with doubt.

[BuGzBuNNy]

You are such a terrible messenger for God. You're doing him no favors in bringing more followers to his flock. All you have is your fear of what may happen to you if you don't bow down to some book full of claims written at a time you weren't even alive to substantiate. If there is a God, he's frowning upon you for not adhering to his message and only flinging ad hominem attacks at those with doubt.Annoying is your seemingly obsessive mockery of the good book, but with this I do agree

[HardwoodLegend]

Annoying is your seemingly obsessive mockery of the good book, but with this I do agree

Obsessive mockery?

I mostly mock the concept of religious devotion altogether. This is the first time I've ever brought up something specific in the Bible. The Bible has some good material in there that's useful for all lives, but this passage was hilarious. It deserved mocking. Even religious people should note the ridiculousness of it. Goes way overboard in its word choice when it could have made its point in a simpler manner.

[Just2McFly]

The concept of going out of your way to mock something you dont believe in still doesn't make sense to me.

[Patrick Chewing]

The concept of going out of your way to mock something you dont believe in still doesn't make sense to me.


They mock because they do not understand. Purely just the work of simpletons with nothing positive ever to say.

[HardwoodLegend]

The concept of going out of your way to mock something you dont believe in still doesn't make sense to me.

How am I going out of my way? I'm on a forum where people post things they find humorous. I find a lot of things about religion to be humorous, so I make threads about it.

It's the same thing as kids ribbing their friends when they're the first ones to realize Santa Claus doesn't exist. I beat a lot of my friends to the punch back then too.

[HardwoodLegend]

They mock because they do not understand. Purely just the work of simpletons with nothing positive ever to say.

Do not understand? What's hard to understand?

And, why would a God make something complex when the majority of humanity is not that intelligent? How is that an effective way to heal the world with a message everyone should obey and follow?

Actin like there aren't a lot of mindless simpletons who follow religion and spout off scripture like parrots. Please.

[Just2McFly]

How am I going out of my way? I'm on a forum where people post things they find humorous. I find a lot of things about religion to be humorous, so I make threads about it.

It's the same thing as kids ribbing their friends when they're the first ones to realize Santa Claus doesn't exist. I beat a lot of my friends to the punch back then too.
So you've been pressing your beliefs in everyones faces and shooting down every contrasting one for your whole life?

Get a life you loser.

[HardwoodLegend]

So you've been pressing your beliefs in everyones faces and shooting down every contrasting one for your whole life?

Get a life you loser.

It's just another topic of debate. Like a sports fan constantly defending his team against attacks.

You a religious zealot? Not able to find humor in the ridiculous Bible verse I posted? :lol

[steve franchise]

Really sad that you spend so much time laughing at something you don't even believe in. It reeks of insecurity actually.

[Clifton]

Obsessive mockery?

I mostly mock the concept of religious devotion altogether. This is the first time I've ever brought up something specific in the Bible. The Bible has some good material in there that's useful for all lives, but this passage was hilarious. It deserved mocking. Even religious people should note the ridiculousness of it. Goes way overboard in its word choice when it could have made its point in a simpler manner.
Grow up.

You say "The Bible has some good material in there that's useful for all lives."

Pick the thing up. Open to a random passage. You know what it's probably about?

"the concept of religious devotion."

It probably either outlines in loving, maybe obsessive detail God's covenant with his people, and how they are to praise and reverence Him (whether it be through arcane OCD dietary laws, or what color ribbons to put on the temple, or whatever), (48% of the text of the Bible), or it will be talking about the Christ and the need for one (48%)...

Or it will be "hilarious" passages like this one, and other oddities or passages that are offensive to modern notions especially when taken out of context (as Old Covenant standards that became outmoded with the advent of Christ) (2% of the text of the Bible), or it will be the moral platitudes that shallow bores like you want to reduce the Bible to ("All the Bible really says is, don't be a dick.") (2%).

[DonDadda59]

[QUOTE=HardwoodLegend]Didn't know this was in there.

Ezekiel 23:14-21 is hands down the funniest passage written. That n1gga God is hilarious.

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[SilkkTheShocker]

the OP is by far the most insecure poster on ISH.

[longtime lurker]

You guys didn't know The Bible was one of the trillest books ever written?

http://www.cracked.com/article_15699_the-9-most-badass-bible-verses.html

It's chocked full of great stuff

[SilkkTheShocker]

So you've been pressing your beliefs in everyones faces and shooting down every contrasting one for your whole life?

Get a life you loser.


The guy is an Atheist and Tmac fan. There is no hope.

[senelcoolidge]

[QUOTE=HardwoodLegend]Didn't know this was in there.

Ezekiel 23:14-21 is hands down the funniest passage written. That n1gga God is hilarious.

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[Patrick Chewing]

Do not understand? What's hard to understand?

And, why would a God make something complex when the majority of humanity is not that intelligent? How is that an effective way to heal the world with a message everyone should obey and follow?

Actin like there aren't a lot of mindless simpletons who follow religion and spout off scripture like parrots. Please.


The message is not to obey, the message is to accept and atone and to live a good life over an evil one because there is temptation all around us and we are all guilty of succumbing to it. No one religious person on this Earth, not even the Pope who is merely just an elected official has all the answers.

What I find it hard to believe is that those who do not believe in something whether it be God or Religion for example, sure do spend a lot of time talking about it and enforcing their beliefs on others and passing it off as truth, or passing it off as rubbish that others believe in a deity or practice a religion. They fail to see that they are doing the same thing they hate, and that is to spread their version of what's real.


I don't believe in Big Foot, but I don't spend day and night trying to prove that Big Foot doesn't exist because I don't believe in him. I just choose not to care.

[upside24]

The message is not to obey, the message is to accept and atone and to live a good life over an evil one because there is temptation all around us and we are all guilty of succumbing to it. No one religious person on this Earth, not even the Pope who is merely just an elected official has all the answers.

What I find it hard to believe is that those who do not believe in something whether it be God or Religion for example, sure do spend a lot of time talking about it and enforcing their beliefs on others and passing it off as truth, or passing it off as rubbish that others believe in a deity or practice a religion. They fail to see that they are doing the same thing they hate, and that is to spread their version of what's real.


I don't believe in Big Foot, but I don't spend day and night trying to prove that Big Foot doesn't exist because I don't believe in him. I just choose not to care.
Well said.:applause:

[miller-time]

I don't believe in Big Foot, but I don't spend day and night trying to prove that Big Foot doesn't exist because I don't believe in him. I just choose not to care.

And if people started proposing laws and taxes regarding bigfoot you would still not care? That is the difference.

[Patrick Chewing]

And if people started proposing laws and taxes regarding bigfoot you would still not care? That is the difference.


Explain further please. What laws and taxes do we have concerning God, Religion, Spirituality?

[HardwoodLegend]

The message is not to obey, the message is to accept and atone and to live a good life over an evil one because there is temptation all around us and we are all guilty of succumbing to it. No one religious person on this Earth, not even the Pope who is merely just an elected official has all the answers.

What I find it hard to believe is that those who do not believe in something whether it be God or Religion for example, sure do spend a lot of time talking about it and enforcing their beliefs on others and passing it off as truth, or passing it off as rubbish that others believe in a deity or practice a religion. They fail to see that they are doing the same thing they hate, and that is to spread their version of what's real.


I don't believe in Big Foot, but I don't spend day and night trying to prove that Big Foot doesn't exist because I don't believe in him. I just choose not to care.

I can't speak for my fellow secular humanists, but one aspect that will always differ between what I do and what religious zealots do is that I will always use humor and playful mocking... never getting offended to the point that it could arouse feelings of hate or righteous superiority.

The belief in Big Foot has not resulted in the amount of persecution and lost life as the institution of religion. Not a very good comparison there.

You can't act like religious devotion has shown itself to be completely harmless through our history.

[Budadiiii]

OP is spot on with his posts. Biased douche bags getting mad. :lol

[Patrick Chewing]

I can't speak for my fellow secular humanists, but one aspect that will always differ between what I do and what religious zealots do is that I will always use humor and playful mocking... never getting offended to the point that it could arouse feelings of hate or righteous superiority.

The belief in Big Foot has not resulted in the amount of persecution and lost life as the institution of religion. Not a very good comparison there.

You can't act like religious devotion has shown itself to be completely harmless through our history.


Well, the comparison was to show you that if I don't believe in something, I don't go out of my way to tell you why I don't believe in it and why you shouldn't believe in it too. I am not anyone's master, therefore the decision to believe or not to believe lies with you and only you. You're also changing the context of the subject we were talking about though and we were never talking about violence earlier. But I will retort nevertheless. Religious zealotry and devotion is the result of the fallible man. Name me one governing body, country, nation, that has successfully governed itself by using religion as it's guide. You can't. All of them have failed and this is what we are currently seeing happen in the Middle East.

However, not to tail off on to something else, no matter how much cruelty and evil has been done in the name of God or Religion, it still does not take away from the original message of the Bible or of God for example. Man has perverted it to his favor and has always failed. Hell, you don't even have to take the Bible word for word, just accept the overall message and do good by it.

[miller-time]

Explain further please. What laws and taxes do we have concerning God, Religion, Spirituality?

Well I said proposing, not instated laws. But there are a bunch of states that prohibit an atheist from holding office in the US (although I'm not sure how strongly they would be enforced today?).

I'm more talking about the kinds of people that want to change the law based on their beliefs. Proposed anti-abortion and anti-homosexuality laws often seem to stem from that right wing Christian base. You also have minority Muslims proposing the introduction of Sharia law in a lot of western countries (some of them even illegally practicing the law in their communities).

[Pacers4ever]

I can't speak for my fellow secular humanists, but one aspect that will always differ between what I do and what religious zealots do is that I will always use humor and playful mocking... never getting offended to the point that it could arouse feelings of hate or righteous superiority.

The belief in Big Foot has not resulted in the amount of persecution and lost life as the institution of religion. Not a very good comparison there.

You can't act like religious devotion has shown itself to be completely harmless through our history.
Lol you better not, reading lots of your threads you really sound like a retard having trouble in community college but who knows probably not.

[DonDadda59]

I woke up from a deep, deep sleep and I found out... I was Jesus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxdV23m_OxQ) :pimp:

[PrettyCool]

Why is someone considered insecure for mocking the bible?

It's had a tremendous impact on modern culture, and world/American history. Even that sounds like and understatement. If you're not religious, and think it's all bullshit then there's literally nothing else better to mock. The day the bible becomes no fun to mock is the day that it's impact goes the way of the Greeks gods as a popular belief system.

[HardwoodLegend]

Well, the comparison was to show you that if I don't believe in something, I don't go out of my way to tell you why I don't believe in it and why you shouldn't believe in it too. I am not anyone's master, therefore the decision to believe or not to believe lies with you and only you. You're also changing the context of the subject we were talking about though and we were never talking about violence earlier. But I will retort nevertheless. Religious zealotry and devotion is the result of the fallible man. Name me one governing body, country, nation, that has successfully governed itself by using religion as it's guide. You can't. All of them have failed and this is what we are currently seeing happen in the Middle East.

However, not to tail off on to something else, no matter how much cruelty and evil has been done in the name of God or Religion, it still does not take away from the original message of the Bible or of God for example. Man has perverted it to his favor and has always failed. Hell, you don't even have to take the Bible word for word, just accept the overall message and do good by it.

It's a forum where people post things they find humorous, so I don't feel as if I'm going out of my way simply by making a few threads.

I'm not looking to be anyone's "master" either. My mom is religious, and I frequently tell her how silly I think she is for kneeling before that nonsense. Would I want her to change and share my views? Probably not, because I don't know how that would change her as a person. I have no idea if she could cope with the fact that this is a cold, empty universe with nothing to offer her after it's all said and done. I can see the glinting fear in her eyes at the mere prospect of nothingness at death.

So, I don't make it my mission to make her think the way I do. I just have fun by poking her in the ribs every now and then.

[HardwoodLegend]

T-Mac is religious, and I love him more than any other man on Earth.

It would break my heart if he got that scriptural scroll tattoo removed off his arm. Never would I want to change what went into making him who he is.

I think more athletes should tattoo Ezekiel 23:20 on themselves as it pertains to their lifestyle.

[kNicKz]

ever notice how atheists say nothing offensive in muslim threads? They definitely went to catholic churches as kids and are "rebelling" now :roll:

[SilkkTheShocker]

I have never met an Atheist in real life that didn't come from a broken family or suffers from some type of mental handicap.

[Just2McFly]

It's a forum where people post things they find humorous, so I don't feel as if I'm going out of my way simply by making a few threads.

I'm not looking to be anyone's "master" either. My mom is religious, and I frequently tell her how silly I think she is for kneeling before that nonsense. Would I want her to change and share my views? Probably not, because I don't know how that would change her as a person. I have no idea if she could cope with the fact that this is a cold, empty universe with nothing to offer her after it's all said and done. I can see the glinting fear in her eyes at the mere prospect of nothingness at death.

So, I don't make it my mission to make her think the way I do. I just have fun by poking her in the ribs every now and then.
You need a new hobby:roll:

[PrettyCool]

THIS THREAD IS DARK SIDED

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3mDLsyn6ns

[Rasheed1]

ever notice how atheists say nothing offensive in muslim threads? They definitely went to catholic churches as kids and are "rebelling" now :roll:


:facepalm this is a christian dominated western civilization. that is why christianity gets the bulk of the mocking... there isnt enough muslims or knowledge of islam to have the same kind of backlash against its foolishness

doesnt take take alot of brain power to realize that

[SilkkTheShocker]

You need a new hobby:roll:


He would play Xbox but his stepfather traded it for an 8-Ball.

[shady6121]

THIS THREAD IS DARK SIDED

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3mDLsyn6ns

:lol :roll:

[Is He Ill]

THIS THREAD IS DARK SIDED

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3mDLsyn6ns

That woman is disgusting.

[HardwoodLegend]

ever notice how atheists say nothing offensive in muslim threads? They definitely went to catholic churches as kids and are "rebelling" now :roll:

I can't recall the last Muslim thread I've seen in this forum.

I have made fun of Muslim friends of mine too. But, this nation isn't predominantly Islamic, and one would be pretty foolish to go to a nation that was and start an anti-Islam verbal crusade... even if it were facetious and lighthearted.

Not a former Catholic, btw. Southern Baptist. Dancin in the aisles like possessed fools, so church was generally a fun experience. Not something painful to run away from.

[kNicKz]

:facepalm this is a christian dominated western civilization.

the internet is a christian dominated western civilization? :biggums:

[Rasheed1]

the internet is a christian dominated western civilization? :biggums:


:facepalm thick as a brick, only not as useful

[Rasheed1]

Muslims are sometimes just as bad lol. Trust me I'm an agnostic that was born/culturally Muslim.


Ive seen a few muslims 'rebel' against islam... They usually move to America first and do it from here tho :oldlol:

muslims don't f*ck around...

[Rasheed1]

Most Muslims are ignorant and uneducated. 95% of Muslims don't even bother to read an actual translation of the Qu'ran and try to actually understand what they're reading.

All religions including Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, and etc. are cults.

There are three characteristics all religions share that are essential to the concept of a cult.

1. Thinking in terms of us versus them with total alienation from "them."

2. The intense, though often subtle, indoctrination techniques used to recruit and hold members.

3. The charismatic cult leader. Cultism usually involves some sort of belief that outside the cult all is evil and threatening; inside the cult is the special path to salvation through the cult leader and his teachings.

The indoctrination techniques include:

Subjection to stress and fatigue;
Social disruption, isolation and pressure;
Self criticism and humiliation;
Fear, anxiety, and paranoia;
Control of information;
Escalating commitment;
Use of auto-hypnosis to induce "peak" experiences

Cults are absent of the betterment of the individual person but rather than leader only. Cults try to subvert the human will with total and complete obedience to the leader of a group or sect

Face it "Rasheed1", you're following a cult like all other religious people. There's no such thing as God. :lol



:roll: thanks for the useless lecture pal. Im not a muslim... (Derp!!)

Im not religious at all..

know who you are talking to before you talk... you played yourself real nice & neat lol

[Clifton]

Most Muslims are ignorant and uneducated. 95% of Muslims don't even bother to read an actual translation of the Qu'ran and try to actually understand what they're reading.

All religions including Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, and etc. are cults.

There are three characteristics all religions share that are essential to the concept of a cult.

1. Thinking in terms of us versus them with total alienation from "them."

2. The intense, though often subtle, indoctrination techniques used to recruit and hold members.

3. The charismatic cult leader. Cultism usually involves some sort of belief that outside the cult all is evil and threatening; inside the cult is the special path to salvation through the cult leader and his teachings.

The indoctrination techniques include:

Subjection to stress and fatigue;
Social disruption, isolation and pressure;
Self criticism and humiliation;
Fear, anxiety, and paranoia;
Control of information;
Escalating commitment;
Use of auto-hypnosis to induce "peak" experiences

Cults are absent of the betterment of the individual person but rather than leader only. Cults try to subvert the human will with total and complete obedience to the leader of a group or sect

Face it "Rasheed1", you're following a cult like all other religious people. There's no such thing as God. :lol
The question, really, is what does it mean that cults work? The human mind works in such a way that it falls for that stuff real easy.

So... what? Do we clamp our hands on our ears and go LALALALALALALA whenever that part of our human nature begins to stir? Have we been formed by millions of years of biological and cultural evolution to crave what cults offer as some kind of cosmic accident / joke?

Or are these impulses with a rightful place?

What do you think? Is the tendency to fall for religious / cultish stuff just some trap to hold the human race "back" from... something? (Despite everything you know about evolution and natural selection) Or does it have a point? And if so what do you think that point might be?

[SilkkTheShocker]

Atheism = cult

[Rasheed1]

The question, really, is what does it mean that cults work? The human mind works in such a way that it falls for that stuff real easy.

So... what? Do we clamp our hands on our ears and go LALALALALALALA whenever that part of our human nature begins to stir? Have we been formed by millions of years of biological and cultural evolution to crave what cults offer as some kind of cosmic accident / joke?

Or are these impulses with a rightful place?

What do you think? Is the tendency to fall for religious / cultish stuff just some trap to hold the human race "back" from... something? (Despite everything you know about evolution and natural selection) Or does it have a point? And if so what do you think that point might be?


most people are raised on whatever religion they believe in. I was raised going to christian and catholic school. Bible class, and was even an alter boy. Its hard to accept the truth about religion since it has been a integral part of people's lives since they can remember..

It takes time to give up the idea of going to heaven... but for me, once I had accepted it? I felt better and felt freed up to live without the dogma weighing me down. Some people have church and religion as such a huge part of their lives, that I dont think they can ever let it go.... best thing that ever happen to me though..

[BuGzBuNNy]

most people are raised on whatever religion they believe in. I was raised going to christian and catholic school. Bible class, and was even an alter boy. Its hard to accept the truth about religion since it has been a integral part of people's lives since they can remember..

It takes time to give up the idea of going to heaven... but for me, once I had accepted it? I felt better and felt freed up to live without the dogma weighing me down. Some people have church and religion as such a huge part of their lives, that I dont think they can ever let it go.... best thing that ever happen to me though..
Here me out. If every Christian had the choice between....

a) The possibility of eternity in Heaven or Hell
vs
b) Nothingness after our time on earth (just like before birth)

Thats kind of like....
a) Placing a bet where, if you win you receive 1 million dollars and if you lose you get all your limbs cut off
vs
b) Don't participate in the wager

What I'm saying is..Its easier to believe/more pleasant that after death is nothingness(just like before we were born). The possibility of Hell (aka eternal torment) outweighs all. If I became fully convinced that christianity was a false religion (and so was every other religion), I don't suspect I'd break down mentally. Heaven ain't portrayed as a given....


Secondly...I wouldn't say that me trying to abide to Christ's teachings is "weighing me down". What was weighing you down? At worse, adhering to the DOGMA is the ultimate guidance in life. It forbids me from doing nothing that would enhance my life (someone care to challenge me on that?). Of the things its teachings forbid, mastur-bation/porn is atop the list of candidates. But as evident of my postings in the "Official No Fap" thread, life (for me at least) would be a lot better without it. And I don't think that thats just me picking and choosing what I should abide by..

[steve franchise]

The OP is a douche but I see where he's coming from. First time I found out from reading the bible that angels had sex I was like :biggums:

[Is He Ill]

Here me out. If every Christian had the choice between....

a) The possibility of eternity in Heaven or Hell
vs
b) Nothingness after our time on earth (just like before birth)

Thats kind of like....
a) Placing a bet where, if you win you receive 1 million dollars and if you lose you get all your limbs cut off
vs
b) Don't participate in the wager

What I'm saying is..Its easier to believe/more pleasant that after death is nothingness(just like before we were born). The possibility of Hell (aka eternal torment) outweighs all. If I became fully convinced that christianity was a false religion (and so was every other religion), I don't suspect I'd break down mentally. Heaven ain't portrayed as a given....


Secondly...I wouldn't say that me trying to abide to Christ's teachings is "weighing me down". What was weighing you down? At worse, adhering to the DOGMA is the ultimate guidance in life. It forbids me from doing nothing that would enhance my life (someone care to challenge me on that?). Of the things its teachings forbid, mastur-bation/porn is atop the list of candidates. But as evident of my postings in the "Official No Fap" thread, life (for me at least) would be a lot better without it. And I don't think that thats just me picking and choosing what I should abide by..

I don't know, the concept of ceasing to exist seems to be a lot harder to accept than having an opportunity to live forever in a happy place.

:roll: As far as fapping is concerned, not fapping at all is a lot unhealthier than it is to do so in moderation.

[BuGzBuNNy]

I don't know, the concept of ceasing to exist seems to be a lot harder to accept than having an opportunity to live forever in a happy place.Nah, not even close really. Maybe your imagination of hell is different from mine. I can't recall ever being unhappy before I was born


:roll: As far as fapping is concerned, not fapping at all is a lot unhealthier than it is to do so in moderation.
So it's said. I can't recall any relevant problems I had before I got into the fap game. Then again I was around 13 or 14 and I imagine the alleged unhealthiness of not fapping at all is said to kick in later in life. There is no such thing as fapping in moderation, for me at least. I again would argue the benefits of a fap free society outweigh the negatives

[Budadiiii]

Nah, not even close really. Maybe your imagination of hell is different from mine. I can't recall ever being unhappy before I was born


So it's said. I can't recall any relevant problems I had before I got into the fap game. Then again I was around 13 or 14 and I imagine the alleged unhealthiness of not fapping at all is said to kick in later in life. There is no such thing as fapping in moderation, for me at least. I again would argue the benefits of a fap free society outweigh the negatives
:facepalm

[BuGzBuNNy]

:facepalm
:lol sad? Does sound funny nonetheless

[Budadiiii]

:lol sad? Does sound funny nonetheless
No, it sounds stupid. You really think if nobody was able to self pleasure themselves, that somehow that would be good for society? You can't possibly think that... right?

If so, explain how in the hell it would benefit society at all. The only thing on peoples mind would be sex, there would be a shit ton of testosterone driven lonely dudes just lurking everywhere, population would increase, rape would increase, etc...

[BuGzBuNNy]

No, it sounds stupid. You really think if nobody was able to self pleasure themselves, that somehow that would be good for society? You can't possibly think that... right?

If so, explain how in the hell it would benefit society at all. The only thing on peoples mind would be sex, there would be a shit ton of testosterone driven lonely dudes just lurking everywhere, population would increase, rape would increase, etc...
Originally I was moreso tying fapping and mastur-bation together. Mastur-bation to a lesser extent, but how can one mastur-bate without getting off to something? Porn, its just one of those obviously wrong things. What has porn done to families? How does it hurt the way a boy looks at a woman? How has it hurt the way young men and women interpret a relationship between a guy and girl? The women involved in porn? trash. The men? same thing

[Is He Ill]

Nah, not even close really. Maybe your imagination of hell is different from mine. I can't recall ever being unhappy before I was born


So it's said. I can't recall any relevant problems I had before I got into the fap game. Then again I was around 13 or 14 and I imagine the alleged unhealthiness of not fapping at all is said to kick in later in life. There is no such thing as fapping in moderation, for me at least. I again would argue the benefits of a fap free society outweigh the negatives

I find it a lot harder to accept letting go of all of your loved ones for eternity than it is to accept a possibility of being rewarded for being a good person. I think of myself as a caring person, therefore I wouldn't fear the possibility of hell and would only look forward to living forever. I get no reward by ceasing to exist. The thought of never getting to see my loved ones again is an immensely tough pill to swallow.

Why deal with unnecessary stress and the higher prostate cancer risk you were referring to? If you can't moderate fapping, the problem has to do with your lack of self control than it does with the act of fapping.

[Budadiiii]

Originally I was moreso tying fapping and mastur-bation together. Mastur-bation to a lesser extent, but how can one mastur-bate without getting off to something? Porn, its just one of those obviously wrong things. What has porn done to families? How does it hurt the way a boy looks at a woman? How has it hurt the way young men and women interpret a relationship between a guy and girl? The women involved in porn? trash. The men? same thing
So your problem is with porn, not necessarily *********ion?

There will always be negatives associated with anything. Food is good right? Sure, if it's healthy, but what about all the chemically filled shit that is littered in grocery stores all over the world and the fast food market?

[Budadiiii]

I find it a lot harder to accept letting go of all of your loved ones for eternity than it is to accept a possibility of being rewarded for being a good person. I think of myself as a caring person, therefore I wouldn't fear the possibility of hell and would only look forward to living forever. I get no reward by ceasing to exist. The thought of never getting to see my loved ones again is an immensely tough pill to swallow.

Why deal with unnecessary stress and the higher prostate cancer risk you were referring to? If you can't moderate fapping, the problem has to do with your lack of self control than it does with the act of fapping.
You wouldn't have to say goodbye to your loved ones, emotions don't exist, you don't exist. These are just your human emotions coming out.

The first second you feel the torture described in religious books, you would be begging to be put out of your misery, essentially begging not to exist.

What makes you think you would be able to see your family members in hell? Isn't the idea of hell to be in a constant state of unimaginable torture?

Come on.

[Is He Ill]

You wouldn't have to say goodbye to your loved ones, emotions don't exist, you don't exist. These are just your human emotions coming out.

The first second you feel the torture described in religious books, you would be begging to be put out of your misery, essentially begging not to exist.

What makes you think you would be able to see your family members in hell? Isn't the idea of hell to be in a constant state of unimaginable torture?

Come on.

I agree with you, I'm just trying to look at it from his perspective.

[Patrick Chewing]

I can't recall ever being unhappy before I was born





Well, I look at it this way - You have no recollection because you were not created yet.

[BuGzBuNNy]

I find it a lot harder to accept letting go of all of your loved ones for eternity than it is to accept a possibility of being rewarded for being a good person. I think of myself as a caring person, therefore I wouldn't fear the possibility of hell and would only look forward to living forever. I get no reward by ceasing to exist. The thought of never getting to see my loved ones again is an immensely tough pill to swallow.

Why deal with unnecessary stress and the higher prostate cancer risk you were referring to? If you can't moderate fapping, the problem has to do with your lack of self control than it does with the act of fapping.
By ceasing to exist you guarantee that you won't suffer in Hell, thats the reward. But I respect that. The older I get the more I've moved from 1) fear of going to hell to 2) wanting to meet my maker. No denying though, the fear of Hell will always be present as far as I can see...The stress I'd endure willing myself not to fap? I'd argue that thats a healthy stress(definitely is for me, eustress). The fap free version of me is a beast :pimp:

[BuGzBuNNy]

Well, I look at it this way - You have no recollection because you were not created yet.
exactly, which is why it would seem obvious to me that itd be easier to accept returning back to that than it would to accept the possibility of going to hell..especially if you ain't livin' right :oldlol:

[TheGreatBlaze]

Interesting how people can start a thread attacking the Bible, but if someone were to start one on another religion's holy book or beliefs they'd instantly be labeled an intolerant and hateful bigot.

[Is He Ill]

exactly, which is why it would seem obvious to me that itd be easier to accept returning back to that than it would to accept the possibility of going to hell..especially if you ain't livin' right :oldlol:

Sounds like the fear mongers got you by the balls.

[Patrick Chewing]

Interesting how people can start a thread attacking the Bible, but if someone were to start one on another religion's holy book or beliefs they'd instantly be labeled an intolerant and hateful bigot.


That's cause Christianity is embraced by many different races and faces all over the world and not by a certain ethnicity or race.

Also because Christianity has way more money. It's undoubtedly easy to attack the big guy just because.

Unfair? Absolutely.

[BuGzBuNNy]

Sounds like the fear mongers got you by the balls.
Like how you completely disregarded my response to your post to get at this one. There's something to be said about adhering to a specific religion strictly out of fear of what would happen if they didn't. Hence the reason I said, "no denying though", knowing what would result (how you'd reply--yes, I predicted your post) from what was about to be said.

Our whole conversation was around this argument. What you boded is simply a supplement to my thesis.. undoubtedly true

[Is He Ill]

Like how you completely disregarded my response to your post to get at this one. There's something to be said about adhering to a specific religion strictly out of fear of what would happen if they didn't. Hence the reason I said, "no denying though", knowing what would result (how you'd reply--yes, I predicted your post) from what was about to be said.

Our whole conversation was around this argument. What you boded is simply a supplement to my thesis.. undoubtedly true

The only way that ceasing to exist can be a reward is if you actually believe in hell, and atheists don't. I'm not an atheist, but in my mind I am fully convinced that hell doesn't exist. In your mind, you are fully convinced that it does. Why would any atheist fear the possibility of hell more than the possibility of no afterlife when they don't even believe that hell exists?

[Balla_Status]

Originally I was moreso tying fapping and mastur-bation together. Mastur-bation to a lesser extent, but how can one mastur-bate without getting off to something? Porn, its just one of those obviously wrong things. What has porn done to families? How does it hurt the way a boy looks at a woman? How has it hurt the way young men and women interpret a relationship between a guy and girl? The women involved in porn? trash. The men? same thing

How bout you dont judge? Plenty of nice people in porn I'm sure.

[BuGzBuNNy]

The only way that ceasing to exist can be a reward is if you actually believe in hell, and atheists don't. I'm not an atheist, but in my mind I am fully convinced that hell doesn't exist. In your mind, you are fully convinced that it does. Why would any atheist fear the possibility of hell more than the possibility of no afterlife when they don't even believe that hell exists? You've completely unravelled the whole argument. My use of the word "reward" was in reply to you saying "I get no reward by ceasing to exist". Its not about it being a reward, its that you'd rather not exist than to exist in hell.
How bout you dont judge? Plenty of nice people in porn I'm sure.
Surely there are, but who they are off the camera is irrelevant to my point

[Is He Ill]

You've completely unravelled the whole argument. My use of the word "reward" was in reply to you saying "I get no reward by ceasing to exist". Its not about it being a reward, its that you'd rather not exist than to exist in hell.
Surely there are, but who they are off the camera is irrelevant to my point

I would rather exist in Heaven than not exist, so what is your point? I would rather not exist than spend eternity in hell IF hell was actually a real place. :facepalm I don't even know why I'm participating in this convo about something like this. Dumbest shit ever.

[BuGzBuNNy]

I would rather exist in Heaven than not exist, so what is your point? I would rather not exist than spend eternity in hell IF hell was actually a real place. :facepalm I don't even know why I'm participating in this convo about something like this. Dumbest shit ever.storming out? You've made this way more difficult than it needed to be, though. You even agreed with ol dude a few posts back who basically expounded on my point..You said, "I agree with you, I'm just trying to look at it from his perspective." Our perspectives are the same. You agree with him, you agree with me, he nailed home my point
This post? Trash
somebody handle my lightweight

:pimp:

[Is He Ill]

storming out? You've made this way more difficult than it needed to be, though. You even agreed with ol dude a few posts back who basically expounded on my point.."I agree with you, I'm just trying to look at it from his perspective."
somebody handle my lightweight

:pimp:

What exactly is your point and why is it important? :confusedshrug:

[BuGzBuNNy]

What exactly is your point and why is it important? :confusedshrug:
That answer can be found in post #70

[Is He Ill]

That answer can be found in post #70

Yeah and then I stated that I would rather go to heaven after I die than not exist. That's how moronic this entire conversation is. :roll:

[BuGzBuNNy]

Yeah and then I stated that I would rather go to heaven after I die than not exist. That's how moronic this entire conversation is. :roll:
you have a burning desire to not let me get the last post :oldlol:

[Is He Ill]

you have a burning desire to not let me get the last post :oldlol:

Well that desire wouldn't exist if you didn't have a burning desire to get the last post, now would it?