Global Warming my ass!!!

[Bigsmoke]

its ****ing cold outside

and today was supposed to be the first day of spring?

http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/MATW88/579875_497660613628587_1489728846_n_zps866c8b55.pn g

[eriX]

you obviously dont know what global warming is about...

[Patrick Chewing]

Winter is coming....

[Bigsmoke]

you obviously dont know what global warming is about...

man **** them polar bears.

it's 18 degree outside right now!

[Jyap9675]

You do know that global warming is not an overnight scenario right?

[Finn T-Mac]

18 degrees :facepalm

We had -38

[rezznor]

it hit 90 degrees in Houston on Monday. It's not global warming, it's climate change. Temperatures are going to get more extreme on both ends.

[Patrick Chewing]

You do know that global warming is not an overnight scenario right?


Meaning that we can't prove or disprove that it really exists. Therefore, all this hoopla about it has been a farce.

[Take Your Lumps]

Weather ≠ Climate

What are they teaching in school?

[magic chiongson]

you could even actually blame global warming for those cold temperatures :D

[East_Stone_Ya]

Winter is coming....

http://www.blackberrygood.com/uploads/allimg/110627/2-11062G51G80-L.jpg



two weeks to go:(

[Bigsmoke]

Weather ≠ Climate

What are they teaching in school?

enough

i'm cold and it aint warming up

[nathanjizzle]

i take the word of a negro that wears socks with sandals over world class tenured scientists.

[boozehound]

Meaning that we can't prove or disprove that it really exists. Therefore, all this hoopla about it has been a farce.
this is sheer ignorance. try looking into climate science. It has certainly been proven that we have changed the composition of our atmosphere by releasing massive quantities of carbon from carbon sinks into the global carbon cycle. It has also been proven that this will impact global climate cycles.

People who say it cannot be proven or disproven have their head in the sand and are unwilling/unable to actually look at the science. Get the **** out of here with that talk radio attitude that your opinion carries equal weight to that of the scientific experts.

[hoopaddict08]

this is sheer ignorance. try looking into climate science. It has certainly been proven that we have changed the composition of our atmosphere by releasing massive quantities of carbon from carbon sinks into the global carbon cycle. It has also been proven that this will impact global climate cycles.

People who say it cannot be proven or disproven have their head in the sand and are unwilling/unable to actually look at the science. Get the **** out of here with that talk radio attitude that your opinion carries equal weight to that of the scientific experts.

What caused the ice age and what caused the ice age to eventually return to normal? That's a question that I have been wondering lately but have been to lazy to do research on. It seems like the earth goes through periods of cooling and warming. What caused it back then? Obviously not the Flinstones driving around on their bare feet. Maybe someone can drop some knowledge on me.

[Bigsmoke]

i take the word of a negro that wears socks with sandals over world class tenured scientists.

lmao


but for real tho that was my brother.

[boozehound]

What caused the ice age and what caused the ice age to eventually return to normal? That's a question that I have been wondering lately but have been to lazy to do research on. It seems like the earth goes through periods of cooling and warming. What caused it back then? Obviously not the Flinstones driving around on their bare feet. Maybe someone can drop some knowledge on me.
technically we are still in an "ice age". This is an interstitial. There are many complicated factors driving long term climate change, but they are fairly well understood (see Milankovitch cycles for an example). Natural disasters such as massive meteor strikes or volcanic eruptions can also impact global climate. The point, more importantly, is that there has been a massive change in our global carbon cycle and atmospheric composition that is directly due to us burning really old biomass (fossil fuels) that act as a carbon sink (binding carbon and taking it out of the active cycle). There is no denying that, and there is no denying that it will have climatological consequences. All of this information is readily available for anyone who wants to look at it.

In the meantime, here is a short explanation of ice ages.
http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/education/pd/climate/factsheets/whatcause.pdf

[bagelred]

its ****ing cold outside

and today is supposed to be the first day of spring?


u stupid.

[Bigsmoke]

u stupid.

yo moma bitch

[Burgz V2]

omg is that what global warming means? holy crap I've been mislead all these years, thanks Bigsmoke!

/sarcasm

[Patrick Chewing]

this is sheer ignorance. try looking into climate science. It has certainly been proven that we have changed the composition of our atmosphere by releasing massive quantities of carbon from carbon sinks into the global carbon cycle. It has also been proven that this will impact global climate cycles. - So it will impact, but is currently not?? Huh???

People who say it cannot be proven or disproven have their head in the sand and are unwilling/unable to actually look at the science. Get the **** out of here with that talk radio attitude that your opinion carries equal weight to that of the scientific experts.


You want to argue about climate change, that's one thing. That's common knowledge from high school that everyone learns. But everyone should also know that there are solar cycles and that accounts for a majority of temperature change either hot or cold. And every Solar Cycle project to bring forth proof of this has been blocked by the government or not funded at all due to head-to-head battle between scientists. However, the numbers as of late are changing and more scientists are willing to put their reputation on the line that this is a natural occurrence. Too many Al Gore dickriders on here apparently.

And you can neg me all you want booze. Close-minded prick.

[DeuceWallaces]

You want to argue about climate change, that's one thing. That's common knowledge from high school that everyone learns. But everyone should also know that there are solar cycles and that accounts for a majority of temperature change either hot or cold. And every Solar Cycle project to bring forth proof of this has been blocked by the government or not funded at all due to head-to-head battle between scientists. However, the numbers as of late are changing and more scientists are willing to put their reputation on the line that this is a natural occurrence. Too many Al Gore dickriders on here apparently.

And you can neg me all you want booze. Close-minded prick.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Just stop. It's clear that you're clueless.

[boozehound]

You want to argue about climate change, that's one thing. That's common knowledge from high school that everyone learns. But everyone should also know that there are solar cycles and that accounts for a majority of temperature change either hot or cold. And every Solar Cycle project to bring forth proof of this has been blocked by the government or not funded at all due to head-to-head battle between scientists. However, the numbers as of late are changing and more scientists are willing to put their reputation on the line that this is a natural occurrence. Too many Al Gore dickriders on here apparently.

And you can neg me all you want booze. Close-minded prick.
weird that you take a sentence that far out of context. Try looking at the actual data (there is a ton of it). This isnt about Milankovitch cycles or solar radiation cycles. Again, I dare you to look at the actual peer reviewed data or even some simple summaries with an open mind.

http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus
http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/ch9s9-7.html

[DeuceWallaces]

Past two years have been the hottest on records at my site (going back 30 years). Growth plummeted from 4.4 MG ha-1 to 2.1. Not good. :(

[Patrick Chewing]

You have no idea what you're talking about. Just stop. It's clear that you're clueless.


Don't you have some holes in your jeans you need to cut out?? Present your argument then, but don't deny the data that's out there just because you do not agree with it.

[DeuceWallaces]

Don't you have some holes in your jeans you need to cut out?? Present your argument then, but don't deny the data that's out there just because you do not agree with it.

Awww, little Dr. Climate can only make fun of my jeans from a picture in the field 3 years ago. I guess I should be flattered that I made such an impression.

If you want my arguments you can read my published papers ya little bitch, or check the countless other threads on this topic where I've shredded you and your ilk.

[Patrick Chewing]

Awww, little Dr. Climate can only make fun of my jeans from a picture in the field 3 years ago. I guess I should be flattered that I made such an impression.

If you want my arguments you can read my published papers ya little bitch, or check the countless other threads on this topic where I've shredded you and your ilk.


You haven't shredded shit, son. You an internet tough guy? An ISH bully? More like a guy who resembles he has one too many female hormones in him.

Please, enlighten me with your argument against CERN's research? Disprove it and make me a believer.

[Meticode]

We're getting the same weather that Chicago is getting right now here in Wisconsin. I found it funny he said "Global Warming my ass" when the graph he posted shows temperatures last year in the 80s, which is like 40-50 degrees above normal for a high for Chicago around this time of year. :oldlol:

All in all it's about Climate chance, last year it was unseasonable warm this team of year in the Midwest, now it's absurdly colder than normal. There is no normal now as far as weather is concerned.

[Bigsmoke]

We're getting the same weather that Chicago is getting right now here in Wisconsin. I found it funny he said "Global Warming my ass" when the graph he posted shows temperatures last year in the 80s, which is like 40-50 degrees above normal for a high for Chicago around this time of year. :oldlol:
All in all it's about Climate chance, last year it was unseasonable warm this team of year in the Midwest, now it's absurdly colder than normal. There is no normal now as far as weather is concerned.

Money23 and I were going crazy over that stretch :lol

a lot of people got shot tho

[gigantes]

Global Warming my ass!!!
i'm afraid the relationship between your ass and global warming is only going to get more intimate.

sorry, friend. :(

[AlphaWolf24]

Global climate may increase .9' in the next 50 years ???? who cares?

- again...aint *** any of us can do about it!

- all the whiny and cying about it in America...does nothing.

- India has 1.4 BILLION people......400 million people in India don't have access to electricity ( that's more people then the US has)...India has put the foundation in to Build more Coal manufacturing plants/oil refinery's/naturaul gas refinerys in the next 50 years then the rest of the world combined!!! ( in order to give it's population energy)

Do you know how much Green House gas that will produce?......

- China nearly puts 1 coal refinery up per day!....363 Coal refinerys per year!

they are by far the leaders of Carbon emmisions/GHG

- No amount of regulations or Battery operated cars will change the fact that we ( as a human species) are on a path to raise the Global climate.

- we are a cancer.......deal wit it.

[Hazard]

Global climate may increase .9' in the next 50 years ???? who cares?

- again...aint *** any of us can do about it!

- all the whiny and cying about it in America...does nothing.

- India has 1.4 BILLION people......400 million people in India don't have access to electricity ( that's more people then the US has)...India has put the foundation in to Build more Coal manufacturing plants/oil refinery's/naturaul gas refinerys in the next 50 years then the rest of the world combined!!! ( in order to give it's population energy)

Do you know how much Green House gas that will produce?......

- China nearly puts 1 coal refinery up per day!....363 Coal refinerys per year!

they are by far the leaders of Carbon emmisions/GHG

- No amount of regulations or Battery operated cars will change the fact that we ( as a human species) are on a path to raise the Global climate.

- we are a cancer.......deal wit it.
I tend to agree with this, not in those exact words. I do care and am quite pissed off about it, however to slow global warming would require a complete overhaul of how the whole world does things, not just US. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that sounds like a fairy tale. I say **** as many whores as possible, drink vast amounts of liquor and enjoy life. Cant stop a moving train.

Even battery operated cars need to be charged with electricity which does not solve the problem, given that electric factories pollute more than any gas guzzling car on the road.

[Sharmer]

this is sheer ignorance. try looking into climate science. It has certainly been proven that we have changed the composition of our atmosphere by releasing massive quantities of carbon from carbon sinks into the global carbon cycle. It has also been proven that this will impact global climate cycles.

People who say it cannot be proven or disproven have their head in the sand and are unwilling/unable to actually look at the science. Get the **** out of here with that talk radio attitude that your opinion carries equal weight to that of the scientific experts.

Good post, don't know why there are so many ignoramus illiterates.

[AlphaWolf24]

I tend to agree with this, not in those exact words. I do care and am quite pissed off about it, however to slow global warming would require a complete overhaul of how the whole world does things, not just US. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that sounds like a fairy tale. I say **** as many whores as possible, drink vast amounts of liquor and enjoy life. Cant stop a moving train.
Even battery operated cars need to be charged with electricity which does not solve the problem, given that electric factories pollute more than any gas guzzling car on the road.


( AlphaWolf slowly nods) Yes...Yes...YES!...UR doin it rite!


real talk....

I care...In the same way I care that my grass lawn keeps growing ( why can't it stay mowed).....there is nothing anyone can do.

[Budadiiii]

You haven't shredded shit, son. You an internet tough guy? An ISH bully? More like a guy who resembles he has one too many female hormones in him.

Please, enlighten me with your argument against CERN's research? Disprove it and make me a believer.
:lol

B- trolling.

Good job.

[Hazard]

( AlphaWolf slowly nods) Yes...Yes...YES!...UR doin it rite!


real talk....

I care...In the same way I care that my grass lawn keeps growing ( why can't it stay mowed).....there is nothing anyone can do.
So mowing your lawn bothers you as much as the notion of your children/grand children not having a world to live on? Great analogy.

[Nanners]

You want to argue about climate change, that's one thing. That's common knowledge from high school that everyone learns. But everyone should also know that there are solar cycles and that accounts for a majority of temperature change either hot or cold. And every Solar Cycle project to bring forth proof of this has been blocked by the government or not funded at all due to head-to-head battle between scientists. However, the numbers as of late are changing and more scientists are willing to put their reputation on the line that this is a natural occurrence. Too many Al Gore dickriders on here apparently.

And you can neg me all you want booze. Close-minded prick.

I lost my shit laughing at this absurd post. It amazes me when clueless people argue against climate science by citing other aspects of science, in this case solar cycles. If science is a giant conspiracy theory or whatever, why is "solar cycle" science any more credible than climate science?

If you had any clue what you were talking about, you would know that solar cycle science and climate science are completely compatable. Climate scientists take the effects of solar radiation changes into account when doing their work, that is science 101 shit.

Let me get this straight - There is a conspiracy where climate scientists are supressing "solar cycle projects"? :oldlol:

[embersyc]

Meaning that we can't prove or disprove that it really exists. Therefore, all this hoopla about it has been a farce.

Well charts

http://thisisclimatechange.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Global-Surface-Temp-Increase-NASA-larger-size.gif

looks like warming.

[DeuceWallaces]

You haven't shredded shit, son. You an internet tough guy? An ISH bully? More like a guy who resembles he has one too many female hormones in him.

Please, enlighten me with your argument against CERN's research? Disprove it and make me a believer.

No, I'm a real life science tough guy and you're a real life dumb-ass. Why don't you check any major journal; you can find all the proof you need. You also might want to check threads from any number of dipshits like yourself on this forum and you can find plenty of information there from myself and others.

[Nanners]

I am a hardcore environmentalist, but I think there are a lot more pressing environmental issues than global warming.

I would categorize the rise of drug-resistant bacteria as an environmental issue, and this one takes the cake. If something nasty broke out and we had no way of treating it, shit could get REAL really quickly. Another example of this type of issue is the rise of pesticide-resistant pests in response to the chemicals and genetically designed controls used in modern agriculture. The one thing that I do love about the rise of drug and pesticide resistant bugs is that they serve as cold-hard real life evidence for evolution. If evolution is false, its pretty amazing that companies like pfizer and monsanto make billions of dollars with products based on evolutionary principles.

Another issue is the mass extinction event going on around us. This one might not be quite as dangerous to humans as drug-resistant pests, but it could be bad if the wrong species happens to die off (like honeybees). There are some really serious philosophical issues raised when any species goes extinct through overexploitation by another species. In the future when men look back, will the extra money we made strip mining displace the value of the species of salamander that was lost in the process? How can we as humans assign value to another species? Do we value what the other species can do for humans, or do other species have value just through their own existence? .....There are a lot of questions that need to be asked when erasing an entire species from existence.

Water scarcity is somewhat related to climate change, but climate change is not the reason that half of the entire planets population lives in "water scarcity". The reason that half of the planets population does not have regular access to clean water is due almost entirely to human factors like greed and just poor planning/decision making. As a resource, water is incredibly poorly managed, humanity uses lots of clean water for many things that are completely stupid and unsustainable.

[Patrick Chewing]

No, I'm a real life science tough guy and you're a real life dumb-ass. Why don't you check any major journal; you can find all the proof you need. You also might want to check threads from any number of dipshits like yourself on this forum and you can find plenty of information there from myself and others.

Are you going to ignore CERN's research? Can you show me proof otherwise? instead of telling me there are countless of threads that your rosy-cheeked face created?

And you're not fooling no one saying you're a real life science guy. Just cause you hug a few trees and get in touch with your feminine side doesn't mean you know squat about global warming. Where's the chart showing how warming has leveled off since 1998??

[gigantes]

(psst: don't forget rapid-onset ocean acidification)


but what about the prospect of technology bailing us out at the 11:59 mark? sound plausible to you?

extreme weather manipulation by particulate matter, massive carbon sinks in action, etc...?

a virtuoso TED lecture in direct action, or a complete pipe-dream mostly designed to keep populaces
less psychotic until the final minute?

opinions?

[DeuceWallaces]

Are you going to ignore CERN's research? Can you show me proof otherwise? instead of telling me there are countless of threads that your rosy-cheeked face created?

And you're not fooling no one saying you're a real life science guy. Just cause you hug a few trees and get in touch with your feminine side doesn't mean you know squat about global warming. Where's the chart showing how warming has leveled off since 1998??

1) I have a few published manuscripts on the subject. I am a real life scientist. You are a real life nobody.

2) There is no chart showing temperatures or CO2 loading has leveled off since 1998.

[Patrick Chewing]

1) I have a few published manuscripts on the subject. I am a real life scientist. You are a real life nobody.

2) There is no chart showing temperatures or CO2 loading has leveled off since 1998.


1) You cultivate and smoke a little marijuana and plant a tree or two in your backyard. You are no scientist.

2)
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/30/article-2055191-0E974B4300000578-6_634x639.jpg

[DeuceWallaces]

Actually I am a full time Scientist, but whatever. I know the real world is hard to understand for kiddies on a basketball message board.

And that Michael Mann figure was completely vindicated by all inquiries. Just right wing nonsense that can't handle hard science. You're out of your league man; just step away from the thread.

[tpols]

Whats the point of studying and researching a problem that has zero chance of being solved or even mitigated?

[Nanners]

(psst: don't forget rapid-onset ocean acidification)


but what about the prospect of technology bailing us out at the 11:59 mark? sound plausible to you?

extreme weather manipulation by particulate matter, massive carbon sinks in action, etc...?

a virtuoso TED lecture in direct action, or a complete pipe-dream mostly designed to keep populaces
less psychotic until the final minute?

opinions?

Good call on ocean acidification.... the list of environmental oversights that could come back to haunt humanity in the future is staggering.

And that brings us to our savior from the environment - future technology! I definitely think it is possible to design technology that will bail out humans in case of an environmental catastrophe. The things that are theoretically possible with science and technology are mindblowing.

It always cracks me up when a hardcore environment denier says future technology will save us from our problems. You can say that science is just bullshit witchcraft, but you also think that if shit gets really bad we can count on that bullshit witchcraft to save us??? If climate science is a bullshit hoax, what other parts of science are bullshit hoaxes bro? :oldlol:

The problem with technology bailing us out at 11:59 is the same problem that drives the environmental crisis in the first place - protecting the environment is really fvcking expensive from a business perspective (whats best for the shareholders), and we live within a global trade society that is driven by free market financial incentives. It seems unlikely to me that life saving environmental technologies will make sense in the eyes of the marketplace before its already too late.

The entire environmental crisis is basically just game theory (you may have heard of this as "prisoners dillema"). When you have a system that offers a financial incentive for externalizing business costs on to the environment and other humans, the logical choice is to over-exploit and pollute as much as possible, as you will otherwise be at a competitive disadvantage and go out of business.

[DeuceWallaces]

Whats the point of studying and researching a problem that has zero chance of being solved or even mitigated?

Not sure about solving, but it surely can be mitigated. It's also important to predict areas under the greatest stress and focus conservation efforts in those areas.

[Nick Young]

You do know that global warming is not an overnight scenario right?
Last 10 years the global temperature has been going down=global warming:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[maybeshewill13]

you obviously dont know what global warming is about...
This :facepalm

[AlphaWolf24]

So mowing your lawn bothers you as much as the notion of your children/grand children not having a world to live on? Great analogy.


- yes because... .9' increase in the global climate won't do Sh!t.....no one will care.

- recap: No one cares. Children / grandchildren crap is tired and played.....Whole Family's get wiped out in Car crashes daily!!!

do people say .." i'm never gonna drive again"???.....nope...they keep on Driving.

- The Climate may change and their is NOTHING you can do about it.....it won't effect me or my great , great , great , great grandkids.....far more important stuff to worry about right now.

[DeuceWallaces]

Last 10 years the global temperature has been going down=global warming:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

That's not true.

[rufuspaul]

- yes because... .9' increase in the global climate won't do Sh!t.....no one will care.

- recap: No one cares. Children / grandchildren crap is tired and played.....Whole Family's get wiped out in Car crashes daily!!!

do people say .." i'm never gonna drive again"???.....nope...they keep on Driving.

- The Climate may change and their is NOTHING you can do about it.....it won't effect me or my great , great , great , great grandkids.....far more important stuff to worry about right now.



^^Naive, uninformed and inaccurate. Congrats, that's the OTC trifecta.

[-p.tiddy-]

1) You cultivate and smoke a little marijuana and plant a tree or two in your backyard. You are no scientist.

2)
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/30/article-2055191-0E974B4300000578-6_634x639.jpg

wouldn't that be a "convenient" truth?

or just "inconvenient" to those pushing a global warming agenda?



check this out:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/08/us/extreme-weather/index.html


I fully believe in global warming but my thing is that it won't become a real urgent issue for me or my kids or my kids kids...in our lifetime

it might be an issue for my great great great great great great grandkids...and by that time our technology will be resemble that of cavemen to them...so I am just going to let them handle this one, and not spend any time worrying about it.

[AlphaWolf24]

^^Naive, uninformed and inaccurate. Congrats, that's the OTC trifecta.


You gave no examples of how I'm incorrect?.......congrats the interwebz Primary goal of giving Nothing!

I have science on my side...you have al gore...:confusedshrug:

[rezznor]

I already knew "winter weather" was going to be longer than the normal schedule this year but how weak the actual winter season was.

We got nothing in December. Maybe 2 weeks worth of snow in Jan, Feb, each. And there no blizzards either.

It's happened like this before in recent years.
didn't the east coast have 2 monster storms this year? monster hurricane and then snow storm a few months ago?

[SilkkTheShocker]

Global warming is nothing but a bunch of crackpot bulls.hit. Its a ****ing joke

[Budadiiii]

Global warming is nothing but a bunch of crackpot bulls.hit. Its a ****ing joke
you have a lot in common with global warming

[fiddy]

you obviously dont know what global warming is about...
Selling "green" products and CO2 emissions?

[sick_brah07]

wouldn't that be a "convenient" truth?

or just "inconvenient" to those pushing a global warming agenda?



check this out:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/08/us/extreme-weather/index.html


I fully believe in global warming but my thing is that it won't become a real urgent issue for me or my kids or my kids kids...in our lifetime

it might be an issue for my great great great great great great grandkids...and by that time our technology will be resemble that of cavemen to them...so I am just going to let them handle this one, and not spend any time worrying about it.

this ^^

by the time this shit comes around we will have already probably blown the world up by accident

[AlphaWolf24]

Not sure about solving, but it surely can be mitigated. It's also important to predict areas under the greatest stress and focus conservation efforts in those areas.


- what can be Mitigated....GHG?...

- Nothing we do to Mitigate GHG in the USA will affect global Climate.....that's like saying ....our warcrime laws help the middleEast...

- India and China don't have the regulation we have...they are by far going to be the main Cog in Global warming...no matter what.

[DeuceWallaces]

- what can be Mitigated....GHG?...

- Nothing we do to Mitigate GHG in the USA will affect global Climate.....that's like saying ....our warcrime laws help the middleEast...

- India and China don't have the regulation we have...they are by far going to be the main Cog in Global warming...no matter what.

It appears you don't fully grasp the issue.

[gigantes]

i especially love how we "civilised" humans are running the whole debate like this. 'tribal peoples are idiots, but we're sooooo much more enlightened and better than them, so this is what we say':


1) scientists showed as early as the mid-1800's that industrial pollution would be a major greenhouse problem, eventually.

2) and the mainstream method of dealing with it? from victorian england until the present day? "it's all bullshit liberal-green-science-conspiracy crap... and little al gore just wants attention!"

3) and now that the mainstream is finally recognising reality? "hey dude, there's NOTHING we can do now, asshole scientists-liberals! so stop rubbing our faces in it and STOP telling us you're better than us, which is the way we always interpreted such warnings from scientists! fact is, there's NOTHING anyone can do, now, so let's just let sleeping dogs lie and make the best of it... and also, we personally had NOTHING to do with that total mess.... it was always those other people over there! you smug asshole liberal elitists and deucewallaces, you!"

4) pray like motherf-cking hell that the same dysfunction that caused the problem will be the same dysfunction that saves us at 11:59. (respectful nod to nanners on that)


haha, did i MISS a critical step in the process? :lol

[Nick Young]

i especially love how we "civilised" humans are running the whole debate like this. 'tribal peoples are idiots, but we're sooooo much more enlightened and better than them, so this is what we say':


1) scientists showed as early as the mid-1800's that industrial pollution would be a major greenhouse problem, eventually.

2) and the mainstream method of dealing with it? from victorian england until the present day? "it's all bullshit liberal-green-science-conspiracy crap... and little al gore just wants attention!"

3) and now that the mainstream is finally recognising reality? "hey dude, there's NOTHING we can do now, asshole scientists-liberals! so stop rubbing our faces in it and STOP telling us you're better than us, which is the way we always interpreted such warnings from scientists! fact is, there's NOTHING anyone can do, now, so let's just let sleeping dogs lie and make the best of it... and also, we personally had NOTHING to do with that total mess.... it was always those other people over there! you smug asshole liberal elitists and deucewallaces, you!"

4) pray like motherf-cking hell that the same dysfunction that caused the problem will be the same dysfunction that saves us at 11:59. (respectful nod to nanners on that)


haha, did i MISS a critical step in the process? :lol
Damn, stop being such a whiny Chicken Little. Whining and moaning about it isn't going to help anyone or change anything. Deal with it, or die out.

[gigantes]

Damn, stop being such a whiny Chicken Little. Whining and moaning about it isn't going to help anyone or change anything. Deal with it, or die out.
well, if you and option three are such highly-beautiful friends, where's the bromance, dude?

WHERE'S THE BROMANCE, MOTHERF-CKER?

=)

[DeuceWallaces]

wouldn't that be a "convenient" truth?

or just "inconvenient" to those pushing a global warming agenda?



check this out:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/08/us/extreme-weather/index.html


I fully believe in global warming but my thing is that it won't become a real urgent issue for me or my kids or my kids kids...in our lifetime

it might be an issue for my great great great great great great grandkids...and by that time our technology will be resemble that of cavemen to them...so I am just going to let them handle this one, and not spend any time worrying about it.

If you don't realize the consequences of climate change are in the present then you don't fully understand the issue.

The current economic consequences are far and wide. Several, if not most of our invasive species issues are facilitated by climate change; specifically warming and and subsequent milder/shorter winters. These lead to much more extreme pest outbreaks in addition to herbaceous encroachment. These issues are costing timber and agricultural industries millions of dollars at a minimum. The mid 2000 Perlack paper estimates these costs to be greater than 1.4 billion to tax payers per year.

The growing season in most temperate regions has increased about 1-2 two weeks the past 2-3 decades. On one hand you might say, oh that leads to more productive agricultural and timber production. Possibly. Although you must consider the impact on local hydrology. Do you know how much water a single tree, yet alone a whole forest can transpire in 1-2 extra weeks? Yet alone 1-2 weeks that are significantly warmer than they were 50 years ago. This can have serious consequences, especially in arid climates that have delicate hydrology to begin with.

In addition to the hydrologic issues, you have to be very concerned about a displacement between agriculture and pollinators. Crops taking specific cues that co-evolved with pollinators over thousands of years can easily become displaced from the pollinators we rely on to fertilize our crops. What happens when the crop relies on cumulative days above freezing (and subsequently is flowering 2 weeks earlier), but your pollinators are only concerned with photoperiod which is unaffected by the effects of climate change? I'll tell you, prices go through the roof and people in poor regions starve.

Both of these issues, especially the former, contribute to an overall loss of biodiversity and ecosystem resilience; the ability for systems to recover from disturbance (which I might add is rapidly increasing with climate change). Floods, tropical storms, and crown replacing fires are disproportionately on the rise and our systems are far less able to cope with these disturbances. The cost to tax payers (and insurance premiums), especially out west and in coastal regions, are rapidly on the rise beyond anything we've witnessed in the geologic record.

Recent studies have started to assess the costs of all the aforementioned on tourism and the municipalities that depend on such activities. In the Great Lakes regions historically low water levels and aesthetically unpleasing landscapes from pests and invasives are believed to be contributing to a rapid decline in tourism revenue.

How about we just focus on what we're doing to the atmosphere? CO2 loading is expected to be at least 100ppm higher than historic levels and increase at rates several times greater than anything we've witnessed in the geologic record outside of maybe the PEP. Plus methane, water vapor, etc. We are ****ing with the one thing that protects us from space and the giant flame ball in the sky! That is serious shit and we have no idea the long term consequences. I don't know about you, but I have no intention of my kids living in space suits on a present day Venus, because some suburban jackass wants to drive around in a SUV or by a F-350 so he can haul rocks for his buddy's landscaping once a year.

I could go on and on but I don't really have time to write a book on climate change for some ****tards on a basketball website.

Google? Google Scholar? IPCC 2007 Synthesis Report? Use them before you run your mouth.

[imdaman99]

i wanna live in a dome. well, as long as we could be self reliant. im tired of 35 degrees, i wanna fckin ball already. fck a yearly gym pass that i would only use 3 months a year and have it waste the other 9 months. i need 45 degrees and up to ball, otherwise im the only one thats gonna be out there. im not going to the nba, i dont need practice on my own. i need competition. fck you motha nature :rant

[Patrick Chewing]

I could go on and on but I don't really have time to write a book on climate change for some ****tards on a basketball website.




Then don't come back here. Go catch butterflies you sissy.

[DeuceWallaces]

Then don't come back here. Go catch butterflies you sissy.

I don't work with butterflies.

[kNicKz]

Climate change has been happening as long as Earth has existed. Acting like it's some new thing that is going to kill us is retarded, but denying it's existence is equally retarded. Must people argue about everything? lol

[DeuceWallaces]

Climate change has been happening as long as Earth has existed, acting like it's some new thing that is going to kill us is retarded, but denying it's existence is equally retarded. Must people argue about everything? lol

What has been happening the past century is new; specifically the rate at which it is happening.

[kNicKz]

What has been happening the past century is new; specifically the rate at which it is happening.

Change is not new. The environment is always changing and will never stop changing. Accept this fact and enjoy life on earth. Does the lack of pattern frighten you or something? So the earth is getting a little colder/warmer and seasons may last longer. Some polar bears may die. Who honestly cares? Considering all of the crazy shit that has happened on earth this really isn't much of a big deal.

[gigantes]

Change is not new. The environment is always changing and will never stop changing. Accept this fact and enjoy life on earth. Does the lack of pattern frighten you or something? So the earth is getting a little colder/warmer and seasons may last longer. Some polar bears may die. Who honestly cares? Considering all of the crazy shit that has happened on earth this really isn't much of a big deal.
you're right, as usual.

the world could turn in to a giant pink marshmallow tomorrow and the only reasonable cause to blame would be mister-S!

everything is always changing, and mankind was always incapable of playing a role or affecting the situation...

well said, sir! :D

[DeuceWallaces]

Change is not new. The environment is always changing and will never stop changing. Accept this fact and enjoy life on earth. Does the lack of pattern frighten you or something? So the earth is getting a little colder/warmer and seasons may last longer. Some polar bears may die. Who honestly cares? Considering all of the crazy shit that has happened on earth this really isn't much of a big deal.

Lol, you're not really getting it but that's OK. Not everyone can understand everything. There's a lot more to it than your naive approach.

[fiddy]

Lol, you're not really getting it but that's OK. Not everyone can understand everything. There's a lot more to it than your naive approach.
Ye. There's much more to be learnt about that phenomenon. I really dont like the corporate/politically correct term "global warming", IMO earth goes through cycles through time and temperature changes. We either learn to deal it with or we learn how to control it. Future will tell.

Here's an interesting summary of a study conducted by TU of Berlin, that suggest that temperature was actually hotter 3000 years ago than its now.
http://lv-twk.oekosys.tu-berlin.de//project/lv-twk/002-Sargasso-Sea-surface-temperature.htm

[shlver]

If you don't realize the consequences of climate change are in the present then you don't fully understand the issue.

The current economic consequences are far and wide. Several, if not most of our invasive species issues are facilitated by climate change; specifically warming and and subsequent milder/shorter winters. These lead to much more extreme pest outbreaks in addition to herbaceous encroachment. These issues are costing timber and agricultural industries millions of dollars at a minimum. The mid 2000 Perlack paper estimates these costs to be greater than 1.4 billion to tax payers per year.

The growing season in most temperate regions has increased about 1-2 two weeks the past 2-3 decades. On one hand you might say, oh that leads to more productive agricultural and timber production. Possibly. Although you must consider the impact on local hydrology. Do you know how much water a single tree, yet alone a whole forest can transpire in 1-2 extra weeks? Yet alone 1-2 weeks that are significantly warmer than they were 50 years ago. This can have serious consequences, especially in arid climates that have delicate hydrology to begin with.

In addition to the hydrologic issues, you have to be very concerned about a displacement between agriculture and pollinators. Crops taking specific cues that co-evolved with pollinators over thousands of years can easily become displaced from the pollinators we rely on to fertilize our crops. What happens when the crop relies on cumulative days above freezing (and subsequently is flowering 2 weeks earlier), but your pollinators are only concerned with photoperiod which is unaffected by the effects of climate change? I'll tell you, prices go through the roof and people in poor regions starve.

Both of these issues, especially the former, contribute to an overall loss of biodiversity and ecosystem resilience; the ability for systems to recover from disturbance (which I might add is rapidly increasing with climate change). Floods, tropical storms, and crown replacing fires are disproportionately on the rise and our systems are far less able to cope with these disturbances. The cost to tax payers (and insurance premiums), especially out west and in coastal regions, are rapidly on the rise beyond anything we've witnessed in the geologic record.

Recent studies have started to assess the costs of all the aforementioned on tourism and the municipalities that depend on such activities. In the Great Lakes regions historically low water levels and aesthetically unpleasing landscapes from pests and invasives are believed to be contributing to a rapid decline in tourism revenue.

How about we just focus on what we're doing to the atmosphere? CO2 loading is expected to be at least 100ppm higher than historic levels and increase at rates several times greater than anything we've witnessed in the geologic record outside of maybe the PEP. Plus methane, water vapor, etc. We are ****ing with the one thing that protects us from space and the giant flame ball in the sky! That is serious shit and we have no idea the long term consequences. I don't know about you, but I have no intention of my kids living in space suits on a present day Venus, because some suburban jackass wants to drive around in a SUV or by a F-350 so he can haul rocks for his buddy's landscaping once a year.

I could go on and on but I don't really have time to write a book on climate change for some ****tards on a basketball website.

Google? Google Scholar? IPCC 2007 Synthesis Report? Use them before you run your mouth.
Everything in this thread except this post should be ignored.
Good, accurate information amongst a bunch of shitty troll posts.

[gigantes]

Everything in this thread except this post should be ignored.
Good, accurate information amongst a bunch of shitty troll posts.
zoroaster would'a loved you! :rockon:


and your game is still shitty... bro. when are you finally going to take your racquet seriously?

[kNicKz]

Lol, you're not really getting it but that's OK. Not everyone can understand everything. There's a lot more to it than your naive approach.

O RLY? There are 1,000 scientists supporting it, and another 1,000 to match them saying it's a natural cycle. You chose to side with the ones supporting it, I chose the opposite. Please stop acting like you are an enlightened individual amongst the naive, because that is hardly the case

[kNicKz]

http://i50.tinypic.com/2jc8qk2.png

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2294560/The-great-green-1-The-hard-proof-finally-shows-global-warming-forecasts-costing-billions-WRONG-along.html

http://cdn.necolebitchie.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Terrell-Owens.jpg

[DeuceWallaces]

O RLY? There are 1,000 scientists supporting it, and another 1,000 to match them saying it's a natural cycle. You chose to side with the ones supporting it, I chose the opposite. Please stop acting like you are an enlightened individual amongst the naive, because that is hardly the case

No there are not a thousand people against it. There are a thousand people who claimed to be a scientist and signed an anonymous internet petition with no credentials. And there are tens of, if not hundreds of, thousands of scientists for it.

I am enlightened, or in the know, however you want to put it. You are clearly not in "the know." Just go educate yourself and leave it at that.

I don't know who the above post was directed at but let me quickly distinguish myself from whoever did that.

[AlphaWolf24]

It appears you don't fully grasp the issue.


I totally grasp the issue....

- No type of Mitigation in the US will effect global climate change.

- Should we keep the regulation in place to regulate our GHG?...sure.

- will it make it tougher for our economy?....probably.

- will it stop " Climate change"????....absolutley not.

- those are the cold hard facts.



deal wit it.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Global warming is about as real as Bigfoot. Can't believe you people believe in this crackpot garbage. Science in general is a whole bunch of bulls.hit

[tpols]

. I don't know about you, but I have no intention of my kids living in space suits on a present day Venus, because some suburban jackass wants to drive around in a SUV or by a F-350 so he can haul rocks for his buddy's landscaping once a year.

But if it's true that China and India are expanding their CO2 and gas producing infrastructure at high rates than wouldn't they be like.. 90+ percent of the problem? I doubt the millions of cars and trucks we have in the U. S. even compare at all in scale to those regions which have what.. ten fold our population. Putting environmental regulations on our cars and emissions in the US seems like slapping a bandaid on someone who had their leg cut off with a machete.

I guess the only hope is to push hard enough til other countries start recognizing and doing something.. Although the population won't be sustained without some incredible technological breakthrough

[-p.tiddy-]

If you don't realize the consequences of climate change are in the present then you don't fully understand the issue.

The current economic consequences are far and wide. Several, if not most of our invasive species issues are facilitated by climate change; specifically warming and and subsequent milder/shorter winters. These lead to much more extreme pest outbreaks in addition to herbaceous encroachment. These issues are costing timber and agricultural industries millions of dollars at a minimum. The mid 2000 Perlack paper estimates these costs to be greater than 1.4 billion to tax payers per year.

The growing season in most temperate regions has increased about 1-2 two weeks the past 2-3 decades. On one hand you might say, oh that leads to more productive agricultural and timber production. Possibly. Although you must consider the impact on local hydrology. Do you know how much water a single tree, yet alone a whole forest can transpire in 1-2 extra weeks? Yet alone 1-2 weeks that are significantly warmer than they were 50 years ago. This can have serious consequences, especially in arid climates that have delicate hydrology to begin with.

In addition to the hydrologic issues, you have to be very concerned about a displacement between agriculture and pollinators. Crops taking specific cues that co-evolved with pollinators over thousands of years can easily become displaced from the pollinators we rely on to fertilize our crops. What happens when the crop relies on cumulative days above freezing (and subsequently is flowering 2 weeks earlier), but your pollinators are only concerned with photoperiod which is unaffected by the effects of climate change? I'll tell you, prices go through the roof and people in poor regions starve.

Both of these issues, especially the former, contribute to an overall loss of biodiversity and ecosystem resilience; the ability for systems to recover from disturbance (which I might add is rapidly increasing with climate change). Floods, tropical storms, and crown replacing fires are disproportionately on the rise and our systems are far less able to cope with these disturbances. The cost to tax payers (and insurance premiums), especially out west and in coastal regions, are rapidly on the rise beyond anything we've witnessed in the geologic record.

Recent studies have started to assess the costs of all the aforementioned on tourism and the municipalities that depend on such activities. In the Great Lakes regions historically low water levels and aesthetically unpleasing landscapes from pests and invasives are believed to be contributing to a rapid decline in tourism revenue.

How about we just focus on what we're doing to the atmosphere? CO2 loading is expected to be at least 100ppm higher than historic levels and increase at rates several times greater than anything we've witnessed in the geologic record outside of maybe the PEP. Plus methane, water vapor, etc. We are ****ing with the one thing that protects us from space and the giant flame ball in the sky! That is serious shit and we have no idea the long term consequences. I don't know about you, but I have no intention of my kids living in space suits on a present day Venus, because some suburban jackass wants to drive around in a SUV or by a F-350 so he can haul rocks for his buddy's landscaping once a year.

I could go on and on but I don't really have time to write a book on climate change for some ****tards on a basketball website.

Google? Google Scholar? IPCC 2007 Synthesis Report? Use them before you run your mouth.
I meant on a much more grand end of the world type scale, and I also don't think it is at all fair to blame everything on SUV drivers lol, but good post.

Your longest post ever?

[DeuceWallaces]

China is a major proponent of climate change research. They are not totally ignoring the problem, but they do have to industrialize.

[DeuceWallaces]

I totally grasp the issue....

- No type of Mitigation in the US will effect global climate change.

- Should we keep the regulation in place to regulate our GHG?...sure.

- will it make it tougher for our economy?....probably.

- will it stop " Climate change"????....absolutley not.

- those are the cold hard facts.



deal wit it.

Those are not cold hard facts :oldlol: They are what AlphaWolf24, researcher extraordinaire, thinks about climate change and uses as a crutch to be apathetic. You think the second leading country in emissions has no impact on the global cycle? You think our business with the rest of the top ten has no impact on what they do?

[AlphaWolf24]

If you don't realize the consequences of climate change are in the present then you don't fully understand the issue.

I don't know about you, but I have no intention of my kids living in space suits on a present day Venus, because some suburban jackass wants to drive around in a SUV or by a F-350 so he can haul rocks for his buddy's landscaping once a year.

I could go on and on but I don't really have time to write a book on climate change for some ****tards on a basketball website.

Google? Google Scholar? IPCC 2007 Synthesis Report? Use them before you run your mouth.


- But you have no problem using a Petroluem based computer?.....everything you own was hauled to you by using a petro Fueled semi Truck...

- ANY type of transportaion comes from or was built by a Petroluem based machine.....you don't like F 350's????....you want a Pruis?

In order to make a electric car you need to make battery's......you still have to mine the earth!....you still need electricity?...wher does all the electricity come from?.........you need coal!!

- you don't think mining for coal will destroy the planet?

- the simple fact that you rant about SUV's and pest control proves you don't sh!t about....REAL LIFE!

- There are 600 Million people in India without access to electricity ( that's nearly double the US total population)...you think they care about .2' degrees???......or certain plants that may grow more.....or pest control?

- what about China?......so much GHG output that China ALONE would do enough damage to the Climate by themselves.....1.6 BILLION people and the leaders BY FAR in GHG.

- and your complaining about Rodents/plants.....and SUV's..:roll: .wake up KID!

[AlphaWolf24]

Those are not cold hard facts :oldlol: They are what AlphaWolf24, researcher extraordinaire, thinks about climate change and uses as a crutch to be apathetic. You think the second leading country in emissions has no impact on the global cycle? You think our business with the rest of the top ten has no impact on what they do?


- I think no matter what we try to do......it will not effect climate change.

- again, there are too many people......really that's what it comes down too.

- Too many people that need Food/Housing/transportation:confusedshrug:

- seriously...people need energy! ( to live and survive ) ...the by product of that is Climate change.

- WHAT do you suggest everyone does???

( all you do is put down people who disagree with you....how about you give solutions......or is not driving an SUV your answer?)

[MMM]

develop new cleaner energy alternatives that can be sold for Asian developments.

or

living life drastically different, where people would grow or consume local food, work and go to school in their communities, ship supplies over water more so than air, etc.


neither look too promising as of now

[DeuceWallaces]

- But you have no problem using a Petroluem based computer?.....everything you own was hauled to you by using a petro Fueled semi Truck...

- ANY type of transportaion comes from or was built by a Petroluem based machine.....you don't like F 350's????....you want a Pruis?

In order to make a electric car you need to make battery's......you still have to mine the earth!....you still need electricity?...wher does all the electricity come from?.........you need coal!!

- you don't think mining for coal will destroy the planet?

- the simple fact that you rant about SUV's and pest control proves you don't sh!t about....REAL LIFE!

- There are 600 Million people in India without access to electricity ( that's nearly double the US total population)...you think they care about .2' degrees???......or certain plants that may grow more.....or pest control?

- what about China?......so much GHG output that China ALONE would do enough damage to the Climate by themselves.....1.6 BILLION people and the leaders BY FAR in GHG.

- and your complaining about Rodents/plants.....and SUV's..:roll: .wake up KID!

Lol, I didn't rant about SUV's, it was one sentence in a very large post.

I do own an electric car, kid. Hybrid technically.

You think electricity only comes from coal? More ignorance. In fact I have two published papers on renewable biofuels grown on wastelands that are potentially carbon neutral if you'd like to read them.

China cares a great deal about the impacts of climate change and all I talked about on the timber and agricultural sectors. In fact much more so than we do because they are rapidly industrializing.

Anymore stupid shit want want to spew?

[DeuceWallaces]

- I think no matter what we try to do......it will not effect climate change.

- again, there are too many people......really that's what it comes down too.

- Too many people that need Food/Housing/transportation:confusedshrug:

- seriously...people need energy! ( to live and survive ) ...the by product of that is Climate change.

- WHAT do you suggest everyone does???

( all you do is put down people who disagree with you....how about you give solutions......or is not driving an SUV your answer?)

I put down idiots like yourself who spew talking points from a position of extreme ignorance. There are many alternatives. If you want to move into a debate on renewable electricity that's fine. I spent 2.5 years on that topic and have two published papers. There are solutions but it's a lot easier for apathetic morons to use hopelessness as a crutch for their inactivity and ignorance.

[Hazard]

- I think no matter what we try to do......it will not effect climate change.

- again, there are too many people......really that's what it comes down too.

- Too many people that need Food/Housing/transportation:confusedshrug:

- seriously...people need energy! ( to live and survive ) ...the by product of that is Climate change.

- WHAT do you suggest everyone does???

( all you do is put down people who disagree with you....how about you give solutions......or is not driving an SUV your answer?)
You're a moron, cant believe I actually agreed with you. So couple things we can do is build more railroads, make public transportation more accessible. How about going back to an agrarian culture where we didn't have to transport food from the other side of the country and actually buy it when its in season. That would be a start. Renewable energy is wishful thinking, that shits monopolized to holy hell. Local farms do exist and they need support, if people transition to buying food from them instead of k-mart and super fresh that would be a step in the right direction.

[AlphaWolf24]

Lol, I didn't rant about SUV's, it was one sentence in a very large post.

I do own an electric car, kid. Hybrid technically.

You think electricity only comes from coal? More ignorance. In fact I have two published papers on renewable biofuels grown on wastelands that are potentially carbon neutral if you'd like to read them.

China cares a great deal about the impacts of climate change and all I talked about on the timber and agricultural sectors. In fact much more so than we do because they are rapidly industrializing.

Anymore stupid shit want want to spew?


- So Biofuels are gonna power the World?...when?????

- Right now Bio Fuel is a supplement.....a very small one. How much Land would it take to Grow enough Bio Fuel for the world?...for half the population?...for a 3rd of the population?

- the main problem with Bio Fuels is Scale and economics.......How to produce enough energy....at an economic value....

- also...turning Earths land into a ginat Corn Field will cause numerous problems as well.

- again...Fossil Fuel is Cheap...it's abundant....and safe.

- maybe in few hundred years we can power the Globe on Sunshine and rainbows.....But not right now....nor in the near future.

- so again....realistically speaking.....how do we power the Globe?......in the next 50 - 100 years?

No regulation is going to cahnge the fact that people need energy Right NOW!!!...so unless you have real concrete answers.....

you need to jump in your electric car ( wich needs electricity that comes from Fossil Fuels and runs on Gas......and in reality still proviodes a bigger a carbon Footprint then a non electric car.......65% of the US electricity comes from Fossil Fuel....More electric cars still need Fossil Fuels/GHG emmission)

- Drive down the street and count how much energy you consume every day.....then ask yourself.....what can really power the world for the nextcentury.

- Now go away kid until you come back with a realistic answer....

[AlphaWolf24]

You're a moron, cant believe I actually agreed with you. So couple things we can do is build more railroads, make public transportation more accessible. How about going back to an agrarian culture where we didn't have to transport food from the other side of the country and actually buy it when its in season. That would be a start. Renewable energy is wishful thinking, that shits monopolized to holy hell. Local farms do exist and they need support, if people transition to buying food from them instead of k-mart and super fresh that would be a step in the right direction.


I'm an Idiot?.....

- You just said Build more Railroads!!!!!:lol

- How much money is it going to take to Build enough Railroads?......i'll give you a hint....you could buy an electric car for every person in the world!!

- What type of Fuel is the rail gonna run on?...rails cause more pollution then vehicles!!

- and now we are going to reset our whole Nation's Food supply??:lol

- For F***! sake you guy's are crazy!....I'm the one bieng realistic!......you guys are living in fantasy world....

- Right now!.....No one has given any concrete solutions.....except don't drive SUV's....plese GTFO here!

[MMM]

I'm an Idiot?.....

- You just said Build more Railroads!!!!!:lol

- How much money is it going to take to Build enough Railroads?......i'll give you a hint....you could buy an electric car for every person in the world!!

- What type of Fuel is the rail gonna run on?...rails cause more pollution then vehicles!!

- and now we are going to reset our whole Nation's Food supply??:lol

- For F***! sake you guy's are crazy!....I'm the one bieng realistic!......you guys are living in fantasy world....

- Right now!.....No one has given any concrete solutions.....except don't drive SUV's....plese GTFO here!

there isn't one concrete plan there is multiple things that would help mitigate the problem. But I liked how you ignored when he mentioned public transit and buying locally farmed products.

[boozehound]

I'm an Idiot?.....

- You just said Build more Railroads!!!!!:lol

- How much money is it going to take to Build enough Railroads?......i'll give you a hint....you could buy an electric car for every person in the world!!

- What type of Fuel is the rail gonna run on?...rails cause more pollution then vehicles!!

- and now we are going to reset our whole Nation's Food supply??:lol

- For F***! sake you guy's are crazy!....I'm the one bieng realistic!......you guys are living in fantasy world....

- Right now!.....No one has given any concrete solutions.....except don't drive SUV's....plese GTFO here!
your ridiculous hyperbole is just that, ridiculous and hyperbolic. Get a ****ing clue. You do realize that railways can be powered by any number of fuels (one major company in the us is converting to natural gas as we speak). The idea that you think building railroads is prohibitively expensive, or that railroad traffic causes more pollution that automobiles and semi traffic shows just how completely ignorant you are on every aspect of the issue. Seriously, you are embarrassing yourself and Jeff.

[AlphaWolf24]

there isn't one concrete plan there is multiple things that would help mitigate the problem. But I liked how you ignored when he mentioned public transit and buying locally farmed products.


- How did I ignore " Building more Railroads".....

- read my post....More public transportation does not solve anything and also provides it's own GHG problems.

- again....you can suplement with BioFuel/ and shop at farmers markets.....will that help?......yes it will.

- will it make any significant difference in Global Climate change/GHG emmissions?...absolutley not.

[shlver]

I totally grasp the issue....

- No type of Mitigation in the US will effect global climate change.

- Should we keep the regulation in place to regulate our GHG?...sure.

- will it make it tougher for our economy?....probably.

- will it stop " Climate change"????....absolutley not.

- those are the cold hard facts.



deal wit it.
I think you need to look up what mitigated means. I think it's fairly obvious that he means the mitigation of the local consequences as he wrote out in his post to primetime. He's not suggesting that mitigation of GHG in the US will significantly alter climate change. Stop trying to debate the issue if you cannot even comprehend the position of your opponent.

[Timmy D for MVP]

Seriously, you are embarrassing yourself and Jeff.

Dishonor! Dishonor on your whole family! Make a note of this. Dishonor on you! Dishonor on your cow!

[AlphaWolf24]

your ridiculous hyperbole is just that, ridiculous and hyperbolic. Get a ****ing clue. You do realize that railways can be powered by any number of fuels (one major company in the us is converting to natural gas as we speak). The idea that you think building railroads is prohibitively expensive, or that railroad traffic causes more pollution that automobiles and semi traffic shows just how completely ignorant you are on every aspect of the issue. Seriously, you are embarrassing yourself and Jeff.


- average American rides 88 miles per year on Rail transit....Europe has 4 times as many Rail systems and the average European rides only 96 miles per year........Railroads are hugley energy wastful......and economically espensive....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqtzSdlVOrQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=149s


- and Natural Gas is a Fossil Fuel!!...and does put out GHG emmissions...

- Like always...you bring nothing to the table except your tired insults and your amoeba size intellect....

speak not of what you have no clue........next

[Balla_Status]

Good discussion in this thread. Deucewallaces can be irritable from time to time but I can respect him because he's a scientist that believes in something and is actually putting his money where his mouth is. He's not an armchair environmentalist that works as a barista at starbucks. The IPCC calls for a huge influx of engineers/scientists that need to be filled to solve today's technical issues and currently they're struggling to fill those openings.

I agree with him on the SUV/truck thing. Yeah sure, buy what you want but I don't understand why you need it. After living where I currently live, I laugh whenever I visit Texas and see regular citizens driving around PERSONAL vehicles that have 4WD (trucks, FJ cruisers, jeeps etc.). You don't need that shit. I have an FJ currently because it's perfect for me and where I live but since I'll be moving to a city, I'll end up just buying an economic car and selling the FJ.

[AlphaWolf24]

I think you need to look up what mitigated means. I think it's fairly obvious that he means the mitigation of the local consequences as he wrote out in his post to primetime. He's not suggesting that mitigation of GHG in the US will significantly alter climate change. Stop trying to debate the issue if you cannot even comprehend the position of your opponent.


WTF?.....


That is serious shit and we have no idea the long term consequences. I don't know about you, but I have no intention of my kids living in space suits on a present day Venus, because some suburban jackass wants to drive around in a SUV or by a F-350 so he can haul rocks for his buddy's landscaping once a year.


I can comprehend....I'm talking about real life with real life solutions...

but it feels like I'm getting swimming lessons from someone who never been in water before.

[AlphaWolf24]

Good discussion in this thread. Deucewallaces can be irritable from time to time but I can respect him because he's a scientist that believes in something and is actually putting his money where his mouth is. He's not an armchair environmentalist that works as a barista at starbucks. The IPCC calls for a huge influx of engineers/scientists that need to be filled to solve today's technical issues and currently they're struggling to fill those openings.

I agree with him on the SUV/truck thing. Yeah sure, buy what you want but I don't understand why you need it. After living where I currently live, I laugh whenever I visit Texas and see regular citizens driving around PERSONAL vehicles that have 4WD (trucks, FJ cruisers, jeeps etc.). You don't need that shit. I have an FJ currently because it's perfect for me and where I live but since I'll be moving to a city, I'll end up just buying an economic car and selling the FJ.


- sounds like he is spoiled from everything that fossil fuels has given him....and he is taking it for granted.

- he's in a basketball forum rantinmg about people driving SUV's:lol .....nothing scientific about that.......or maybe it is!!!!...hmmm.

[DeuceWallaces]

- sounds like he is spoiled from everything that fossil fuels has given him....and he is taking it for granted.

- he's in a basketball forum rantinmg about people driving SUV's:lol .....nothing scientific about that.......or maybe it is!!!!...hmmm.

I spend 50's hours a week doing something about it. Designing experiments, carrying them out, publishing papers, travelling to conferences, and informing land managers and policy makers.

You're some idiot dipshit on a basketball site talking about something he/she obviously knows nothing about.

[-p.tiddy-]

Good discussion in this thread. Deucewallaces can be irritable from time to time but I can respect him because he's a scientist that believes in something and is actually putting his money where his mouth is. He's not an armchair environmentalist that works as a barista at starbucks. The IPCC calls for a huge influx of engineers/scientists that need to be filled to solve today's technical issues and currently they're struggling to fill those openings.

I agree with him on the SUV/truck thing. Yeah sure, buy what you want but I don't understand why you need it. After living where I currently live, I laugh whenever I visit Texas and see regular citizens driving around PERSONAL vehicles that have 4WD (trucks, FJ cruisers, jeeps etc.). You don't need that shit. I have an FJ currently because it's perfect for me and where I live but since I'll be moving to a city, I'll end up just buying an economic car and selling the FJ.
i don't think if every SUV owner traded in their SUV for a prius it would slow down anything really...

electricity is part of the problem...

you want to know where the electricity comes from that a Prius runs on?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_cwrSE63jF7Y/TGrnq9FhTnI/AAAAAAAAA5I/dOshgl6RNDY/s1600/coal_fired_power_plant.jpg

^^^ that (most of the time, unless the owner has a windmill in their backyard)



My woman currently drives a tiny little eco-friendly thing and now that we have a child both of us want to trade it in for an SUV...for one if we crash our family has a much better chance of living (which is priority #1) but it also would give us room...these little cars are great for singles, but not families.

[Hazard]

I'm an Idiot?.....

- You just said Build more Railroads!!!!!:lol

- How much money is it going to take to Build enough Railroads?......i'll give you a hint....you could buy an electric car for every person in the world!!

- What type of Fuel is the rail gonna run on?...rails cause more pollution then vehicles!!

- and now we are going to reset our whole Nation's Food supply??:lol

- For F***! sake you guy's are crazy!....I'm the one bieng realistic!......you guys are living in fantasy world....

- Right now!.....No one has given any concrete solutions.....except don't drive SUV's....plese GTFO here!
I said moron, but you can be an idiot too if that's what you're into.

[Balla_Status]

i don't think if every SUV owner traded in their SUV for a prius it would slow down anything really...

electricity is part of the problem...

you want to know where the electricity comes from that a Prius runs on?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_cwrSE63jF7Y/TGrnq9FhTnI/AAAAAAAAA5I/dOshgl6RNDY/s1600/coal_fired_power_plant.jpg

^^^ that (most of the time, unless the owner has a windmill in their backyard)



My woman currently drives a tiny little eco-friendly thing and now that we have a child both of us want to trade it in for an SUV...for one if we crash our family has a much better chance of living (which is priority #1) but it also would give us room...these little cars are great for singles, but not families.

Damn dude. That's where energy comes from? I never would've known that from working in the energy industry. You know what's cleaner than coal? Natural gas and there are companies switching to natural gas spreads in the industry. Essentially they can use the natural gas that is being produced from the well as fuel. That's the goal anyways. Cleaner emissions and overall more economic for the service company and operator. Natural gas, although a fossil fuel, is cleaner than coal. Although there is a political and corporate struggle when it comes to this obviously.

But I understand the whole, "where do you think you get your electricity from moron? Air?"

Get a subaru dude. I think those are pretty fuel efficient and they have a lot of space. More or less I'm talking from an economic standpoint...it's more economic to drive an accord than a big ass soccer mom suburban. Not a climate change standpoint.

[-p.tiddy-]

yeah my point was pretty much that this issue is MUCH bigger than SUVs...

it's easy for people to point their finger at SUV drivers and yell "your fault!", but they aren't the main culprits here, not even close...I also feel that there are legit reasons to own one, safety being a main reason....if you get in a wreck in a smart car?...you're fckin dead...I'll pay a little more for gas for a major safety upgrade when I have a baby in the car, I feel that it is worth it. Dying in a auto accident is much more likely than death by global warming.

[MMM]

yeah my point was pretty much that this issue is MUCH bigger than SUVs...

it's easy for people to point their finger at SUV drivers and yell "your fault!", but they aren't the main culprits here, not even close...I also feel that there are legit reasons to own one, safety being a main reason....if you get in a wreck in a smart car?...you're fckin dead...I'll pay a little more for gas for a major safety upgrade when I have a baby in the car, I feel that it is worth it. Dying in a auto accident is much more likely than death by global warming.

I haven't read much into it but I remember reading that you are safer in smaller cars because they are not involved in roll overs

[DeuceWallaces]

yeah my point was pretty much that this issue is MUCH bigger than SUVs...

it's easy for people to point their finger at SUV drivers and yell "your fault!", but they aren't the main culprits here, not even close...I also feel that there are legit reasons to own one, safety being a main reason....if you get in a wreck in a smart car?...you're fckin dead...I'll pay a little more for gas for a major safety upgrade when I have a baby in the car, I feel that it is worth it. Dying in a auto accident is much more likely than death by global warming.

The SUV thing is just one little thing I said that he clutched on to and won't shut up about. Although I think driving something that gets 16mpg vs the 40-45 in a mid size sedan hybrid I get makes a big difference extrapolated over a couple hundred million people.

[AlphaWolf24]

I said moron, but you can be an idiot too if that's what you're into.


- yes...my point is .....the only thing worth mentioning in your post is the name calling...everything else was worthless.

:cheers:




next

[AlphaWolf24]

I spend 50's hours a week doing something about it. Designing experiments, carrying them out, publishing papers, travelling to conferences, and informing land managers and policy makers.

You're some idiot dipshit on a basketball site talking about something he/she obviously knows nothing about.


- so basically you sit around with your thumb up yer Azz....telling anyone who will listen that energy exploration may cause a few Tiger salamanders to die....:lol

- real talk....your spewing of filth about " SUV's and biofuels" proves to everyone.....You aint gonna change anything/you are disillusioned/you are worthless as a professional person to our society.

- I don't need to try experiments for 50 hours a day....I already know Corn and Grass sludge is pointless......I already know that sometimes there is no wind to blow the windmill....I already Know that the time is right here and now.....and people need Energy...not fairytales.

- Grow up kid.

[AlphaWolf24]

I haven't read much into it but I remember reading that you are safer in smaller cars because they are not involved in roll overs


Not true at all....

The bigger car you have the less likely to be injured in an auto accident...


2009

The report also notes that “sheer size is still a big factor in auto safety.” According to the report, small cars have the highest death rates, while mid-sized or larger ones have lower scores. Also, the not-so-popular minivans rates as safer than an SUV.

The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety is a private group financed by auto insurers.

NBC Los Angeles also says specifies which models are safest, according to the report. The Ford Edge, Nissan Armada, Land Rover Range Rover Sport, Land Rover LR3 and Honda CR-V have the lowest such rates; among luxury car models, the Audi A6 and Mercedes E-Class are noted.

The report (which you can read here) brings to mind advice my dad always gave me, that big cars are safer “because you want to be in a bigger car than the one that hits you” (Thanks, dad.)


Read more: http://www.care2.com/causes/suvs-are-safer-than-cars-bigger-is-better-says-new-report.html#ixzz2OJ2S939mhttp://www.care2.com/causes/suvs-are-safer-than-cars-bigger-is-better-says-new-report.html




So here we are, trying to convince American motorists to abandon their SUV’s for smaller, more fuel-efficient vehicles, to do their bit to reduce global warming and eliminate the need for messy military entanglements. And along comes a scientific study from a reputable independent organization that concludes that you’re safer in an SUV than a passenger car

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2007/04/iihs-and-nhtsa-agree-suvs-safer-than-cars/

[-p.tiddy-]

I haven't read much into it but I remember reading that you are safer in smaller cars because they are not involved in roll overs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJt1SYQiuEI

which car would you rather be in with your family?


in cases where it is SUV/truck vs car the SUV passengers are usually above the impact, and the people in the car are taking the full impact...it is a matter of height.

rolling over may be easier in an SUV, but I am sure that is rare...

[AlphaWolf24]

More or less I'm talking from an economic standpoint...it's more economic to drive an accord than a big ass soccer mom suburban. Not a climate change standpoint.


- where is a mom going?...Home>>>>school>>>>>Grocery store>>>>>Home

- Primary function of vehicle= safety, seating room/storage room,

- Most Soccer moms don't care about saving a few hundred dollars per year in gas....they would rather have safety and room.

- again...the SUV arguement is pointless.....and as America has shown...no one cares.

[DeuceWallaces]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJt1SYQiuEI

which car would you rather be in with your family?


in cases where it is SUV/truck vs car the SUV passengers are usually above the impact, and the people in the car are taking the full impact...it is a matter of height.

rolling over may be easier in an SUV, but I am sure that is rare...

Looks like it happened four thousand times in the US in 2006


Single-vehicle rollover crashes accounted for 47 percent of driver deaths in SUVs in 2006, compared with 39 percent of deaths in pickups and 21 percent of deaths in cars.

8,062 SUV occupants died in 2006. (Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, Highway Loss Data Institute)

[Norcaliblunt]

Malthusian misanthropy BS.

[AlphaWolf24]

Looks like it happened four thousand times in the US in 2006


- 4,000 times a SUV rolled over...out of 2.5 Million people who drive SUV's in the US..:rolleyes:

[DeuceWallaces]

- 4,000 times a SUV rolled over...out of 2.5 Million people who drive SUV's in the US..:rolleyes:

No, four thousand times it resulted in a death.

You're such a complete ****tard it's pretty funny. You're just a kid right? You must be. Most adults aren't this stupid.

[Norcaliblunt]

Question? How do global warming advocates feel about nuclear energy?

[AlphaWolf24]

No, four thousand times it resulted in a death.

You're such a complete ****tard it's pretty funny. You're just a kid right? You must be. Most adults aren't this stupid.


dang..YUMAD?....

- I know what U said....it rolled over resulting in death 4,000 times in 2006.:confusedshrug: ( not too mention we don't understand the factors....were they intozicated?...inclimate weather?)

- 2.5 MILLION people drive SUVs in the US.....what's your point?

- SUVs are still much safer then smaller vehicles....


jesus F'ing christ you need to chill.....all those 50 hour work weeks of growing corn and talking to engineering geeks got U all twisted.

I recommend renting a F 350 for the weekend.....go 4 wheelin and destroy as much animal habitat as possible.....cut down a few trees and start a bonfire.....Burn as much trash/carbons/and fuel as possible.

eat a bunch of red meat and drink a bunch of alchohol....( maybe if your lucky you will find a turbo sluht and release some pent up angst)

Your testosterone level gotta be at least a - 15 with all this corn growin/pruis driving sh!t your doing.

[DeuceWallaces]

Who said I grow corn? What the hell are you even talking about?

You're a kid right? What do you do for a living? Let's see your pic.

[AlphaWolf24]

Who said I grow corn? What the hell are you even talking about?
You're a kid right? What do you do for a living? Let's see your pic.


what were you talking about when you said...


In fact I have two published papers on renewable biofuels grown on wastelands that are potentially carbon neutral

- Corn/ethanol is a great supplement/BioFuel as is Algea fuels.....neither alone are going to power the planet in our Generations or the next.:confusedshrug:

- What do i do?.....I do many things....(and have done many diffrent jobs throughout my existence.....a jack of all trades master of none)

- right now I am currentley buying real estate / land...sometimes to Flip a home or property on the land...and other times to Drill pilot holes/project wells to look for Rich bearing Diatomite. ( where as if the land has Diatomite...I can re sale the land for a profit)

not sure why I need to post a picture?.....but I'm sure you are not my type.

[DeuceWallaces]

what were you talking about when you said...



- Corn/ethanol is a great supplement/BioFuel as is Algea fuels.....neither alone are going to power the planet in our Generations or the next.:confusedshrug:

- What do i do?.....I do many things....(and have done many diffrent jobs throughout my existence.....a jack of all trades master of none)

- right now I am currentley buying real estate / land...sometimes to Flip a home or property on the land...and other times to Drill pilot holes/project wells to look for Rich bearing Diatomite. ( where as if the land has Diatomite...I can re sale the land for a profit)

not sure why I need to post a picture?.....but I'm sure you are not my type.

Lol, once again, those aren't the only biofuels you ****ing idiot. I doubt you do anything. Jack of all trades means you're not good at anything (which doesn't surprise me). It'd be nice to see your pic, because it would clearly show that you're some 16 year old idiot who knows of nothing. I highly doubt you have the capital to do any of those lies.

Another Godzuki I presume? Your dad or unlce must do those things while you get them coffee and make copies for them?

[joe]

You're a moron, cant believe I actually agreed with you. So couple things we can do is build more railroads, make public transportation more accessible. How about going back to an agrarian culture where we didn't have to transport food from the other side of the country and actually buy it when its in season. That would be a start. Renewable energy is wishful thinking, that shits monopolized to holy hell. Local farms do exist and they need support, if people transition to buying food from them instead of k-mart and super fresh that would be a step in the right direction.

Back when we lived in those agrarian societies you speak of, the Earth supported a lot less human life. Going back to it now is asking for a lot of people to die.

I think there's a lot of consumer demand for cleaner energy, but the technology isn't there yet. As the technology improves we will get those things. I think green-people need to be a little more patient. Adding more regulation on business is just going to hinder the economy even more, which is the last thing we need right now. Same thing with adding more public transportation, Hazard. The money to pay for that has to come from somewhere, and that's taking money out of the rest of the economy. Patience is needed.

[shlver]

Question? How do global warming advocates feel about nuclear energy?
Well, the obvious fact is that the waste that results from nuclear energy is far easier to handle than carbon emissions. It's not even a comparison. Once "global warming" gets important enough, we'll obviously turn to nuclear energy which is a cleaner energy source.

[kNicKz]

You're a kid right? What do you do for a living? Let's see your pic.




http://nextimpulsesports.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/chris_hansen.jpg

[Nanners]

Alpha Wolf making a very strong case for dumbest poster on ISH with his work in this thread.

[-p.tiddy-]

[QUOTE]2009

The report also notes that

[boozehound]

what were you talking about when you said...



- Corn/ethanol is a great supplement/BioFuel as is Algea fuels.....neither alone are going to power the planet in our Generations or the next.:confusedshrug:

- What do i do?.....I do many things....(and have done many diffrent jobs throughout my existence.....a jack of all trades master of none)

- right now I am currentley buying real estate / land...sometimes to Flip a home or property on the land...and other times to Drill pilot holes/project wells to look for Rich bearing Diatomite. ( where as if the land has Diatomite...I can re sale the land for a profit)

not sure why I need to post a picture?.....but I'm sure you are not my type.
so, you make a living trying to find pure deposits of diatomaceous earth? Sure you do.

[Nick Young]

I spend 50's hours a week doing something about it. Designing experiments, carrying them out, publishing papers, travelling to conferences, and informing land managers and policy makers.

You're some idiot dipshit on a basketball site talking about something he/she obviously knows nothing about.
Your experiments aren't going to do jack shit in the grand scheme of things. It's like you're trying to dam up the Mississippi river with 3 popsicle sticks. In other words, stop wasting your life.

[Nick Young]

What has been happening the past century is new; specifically the rate at which it is happening.
Not even true of the past millennium alone. The European warming period in the 900s was a much more dramatic shift in climate change then what's been happening in the past century. And that's just the past 2,000 years. Look at the past 4 billion-science has no way to accurately show what the weather was like 4 billion years ago.

Stop making shit up and telling people lies to suit your own doomsayer agenda.

[RaininThrees]

Change is not new. The environment is always changing and will never stop changing. Accept this fact and enjoy life on earth. Does the lack of pattern frighten you or something? So the earth is getting a little colder/warmer and seasons may last longer. Some polar bears may die. Who honestly cares? Considering all of the crazy shit that has happened on earth this really isn't much of a big deal.

You managed to read half the sentence... good for you!

[DeuceWallaces]

Not even true of the past millennium alone. The European warming period in the 900s was a much more dramatic shift in climate change then what's been happening in the past century. And that's just the past 2,000 years. Look at the past 4 billion-science has no way to accurately show what the weather was like 4 billion years ago.

Stop making shit up and telling people lies to suit your own doomsayer agenda.

No it's not. As always, you have no idea what you're talking about.

[Bigsmoke]

Its SNOWING!

[JerryWest]

still hot here :(

[AlphaWolf24]

so, you make a living trying to find pure deposits of diatomaceous earth? Sure you do.


yup I sure do:confusedshrug: ....( along with other profitable land investments)

[AlphaWolf24]

Lol, once again, those aren't the only biofuels you ****ing idiot. I doubt you do anything. Jack of all trades means you're not good at anything (which doesn't surprise me). It'd be nice to see your pic, because it would clearly show that you're some 16 year old idiot who knows of nothing. I highly doubt you have the capital to do any of those lies.

Another Godzuki I presume? Your dad or unlce must do those things while you get them coffee and make copies for them?


- Understood.....I know ethanol is not the only Biofuel.....But it is the largest most widely used. ( I was using Corn as an example for your " growing of Biofuel")

- You can doubt me all you want.....you asked a question....and I answered.

- again, "Jack of all trades" just means I have been lucky enough to work in many diffrent areas ( and developed some skill and understanding)

- I have done everything... from working in construction to working with Ub and Don Iwerks on thier latest Sim Tech rides.....I've worked on Drilling Rigs and served our Country in combat....I've worked on Hollywood Movies and help create everything from Iron man to Flying Kites in Afghanistan.....I even painted the Golden Gate Bridge one summer.....

Right now I happen to be purchasing land looking for layers of Diatoms and or refurb profitable structures.....:confusedshrug:

You asked I told you the truth.




or I could be making all this stuff up because I'm bored?...U decide:lol

[Bigsmoke]

45 degrees in June?

I feel the heat alright. 4