Friend says there's unknown players out there as good or better than Lebron

[SacJB Shady]

On the way to the strip club, we had this argument over how many teams should be in the NBA. He said that there should be 36 teams. The cities he said should have cities including the new Seattle Sonics are: San Diego, New Sacramento team, Tampa Bay, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, and Vegas.

I told him that it would dilute the overall talent of the league. He said that there are a lot of players out there who could play in the NBA but don't because of a myriad of reasons: maybe the didn't go to college, maybe they had an injury for a short time and never got a chance, or maybe they weren't mature enough.

But he went on and on about how some of them play street ball and are amazing. I kept saying better than Lebron?!! He was saying there are 6 billion people in this world and it would be ridiculous to think there aren't other players out there. He said if there were more players in the NBA, more would get a chance to be a Wade or a Kobe.

I asked him if there is someone out there who could put on a jersey, go play on a team right now, and put up Lebron James numbers. And he instantly said, ''Sure, why not? Even better maybe! There are 6 billion people out there, you just haven't heard or seen everyone.'' And I told him that Lebron trains and has years and years of experience and he still insisted that other street ballers out there train and know about strategy as well.

Ahhh, some people just don't get it. I tried to knock sense into him. He is also the same guy who said Sprewell was the 2nd best scorer after Jordan and that the average player scores 6 points a game.

[elementally morale]

Your friend talks a lot.

[Teanett]

bullsheeeeeet

[willds09]

This is true

[SacJB Shady]

Your friend talks a lot.


Elemantally Morale, do you think my friends logic is correct? And later on as our argument lingered, he started saying ''Okay forget about Lebron. I wasn't trying to talk just about him. All I'm saying is there are other players out there, plenty of them, who you don't know about, who could play in the NBA, but just never got a chance.''

[ripthekik]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Budadiiii]

LeBron is the best by default. He hit his peak at the perfect time without any real competition.

LeBron being compared to MJ makes me vomit.

[elementally morale]

Elemantally Morale, do you think my friends logic is correct? And later on as our argument lingered, he started saying ''Okay forget about Lebron. I wasn't trying to talk just about him. All I'm saying is there are other players out there, plenty of them, who you don't know about, who could play in the NBA, but just never got a chance.''

To be honest with you I usually don't read your threads any more, at least not thoroughly. I like your trolling, it's just not for me.

As for the question though: I think someone as good as LeBron wouldn't go unnoticed, but I agree there is great talent out there never making it to the NBA. Yes, you need a bit of luck if you are not superstar caliber but NBA material. If you are superstar caliber however, I doubt it can be missed for too long.

[Flush]

Empty arguments, not worth reading, im outta here

[RRR3]

He didn't mention St. Louis? Obviously your friend is crazy.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Thus proving that the only person dumber than Sac is his imaginary friend.

[SacJB Shady]

To be honest with you I usually don't read your threads any more, at least not thoroughly. I like your trolling, it's just not for me.

As for the question though: I think someone as good as LeBron wouldn't go unnoticed, but I agree there is great talent out there never making it to the NBA. Yes, you need a bit of luck if you are not superstar caliber but NBA material. If you are superstar caliber however, I doubt it can be missed for too long.


elementally morale I'm not trolling. If my friend really did say this(which he did), is it really trolling? That was never my intent

[Calabis]

I had this argument.... tell your friend if someone was that good he wouldn't be unknown. Fact he would have to be playing to perfect his craft. People like your friend act like some dude from the bush is going to just grab a ball and be LeBron James. ...uhh no. Yes there are plenty of people that are good enough to make it. .. but there damn sure isn't any LeBron James walking around unknown to the world.

Also street ballers are just that street ballers...also what kills me is that everyone watches a NBA game and tries to breakdown a guys ability. How the hell can u do this when ur watching a guy dominate all the while being pushed to the weakest points of his game. Advanced NBA scouting pushing these guys to the weakest spots on the floor. Lebron in the street game would shit on anyone. ..but he's not making millions to play in the street.

[Foster5k]

Didn't read.

But anyways, you and your friend need to stop having sex. I mean arguments.

[Euroleague]

On the way to the strip club, we had this argument over how many teams should be in the NBA. He said that there should be 36 teams. The cities he said should have cities including the new Seattle Sonics are: San Diego, New Sacramento team, Tampa Bay, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, and Vegas.

I told him that it would dilute the overall talent of the league. He said that there are a lot of players out there who could play in the NBA but don't because of a myriad of reasons: maybe the didn't go to college, maybe they had an injury for a short time and never got a chance, or maybe they weren't mature enough.

But he went on and on about how some of them play street ball and are amazing. I kept saying better than Lebron?!! He was saying there are 6 billion people in this world and it would be ridiculous to think there aren't other players out there. He said if there were more players in the NBA, more would get a chance to be a Wade or a Kobe.

I asked him if there is someone out there who could put on a jersey, go play on a team right now, and put up Lebron James numbers. And he instantly said, ''Sure, why not? Even better maybe! There are 6 billion people out there, you just haven't heard or seen everyone.'' And I told him that Lebron trains and has years and years of experience and he still insisted that other street ballers out there train and know about strategy as well.

Ahhh, some people just don't get it. I tried to knock sense into him. He is also the same guy who said Sprewell was the 2nd best scorer after Jordan and that the average player scores 6 points a game.

Anyone that really believes that "all the best players in the world are in the NBA" is retarded.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

No, we don't need a team. We already have enough sucking from 2 franchises we don't need a third.

[Calabis]

Anyone that really believes that "all the best players in the world are in the NBA" is retarded.

Anyone who believes there are other LeBron James and Kobe Bryants walking around unknown shouldn't post about basketball

[red1]

On the way to the strip club, we had this argument over how many teams should be in the NBA. He said that there should be 36 teams. The cities he said should have cities including the new Seattle Sonics are: San Diego, New Sacramento team, Tampa Bay, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, and Vegas.

I told him that it would dilute the overall talent of the league. He said that there are a lot of players out there who could play in the NBA but don't because of a myriad of reasons: maybe the didn't go to college, maybe they had an injury for a short time and never got a chance, or maybe they weren't mature enough.

But he went on and on about how some of them play street ball and are amazing. I kept saying better than Lebron?!! He was saying there are 6 billion people in this world and it would be ridiculous to think there aren't other players out there. He said if there were more players in the NBA, more would get a chance to be a Wade or a Kobe.

I asked him if there is someone out there who could put on a jersey, go play on a team right now, and put up Lebron James numbers. And he instantly said, ''Sure, why not? Even better maybe! There are 6 billion people out there, you just haven't heard or seen everyone.'' And I told him that Lebron trains and has years and years of experience and he still insisted that other street ballers out there train and know about strategy as well.

Ahhh, some people just don't get it. I tried to knock sense into him. He is also the same guy who said Sprewell was the 2nd best scorer after Jordan and that the average player scores 6 points a game.
http://www.the-coli.com/images/smilies/merchant.png

[RRR3]

No, we don't need a team. We already have enough sucking from 2 franchises we don't need a third.
What city you in, brochacho?

[QuebecBaller]

SacJB Shady have a friend? Imaginary friend right?

There's no real person who can be friend with an idiot like him

[STATUTORY]

I think there is a point in what his friend says although it is not presented well.

Professional sports is not really established outside of the developed world. There are millions of kids in war torn africa, south america etc who will grow up without access to AAU basketball, developmental league, coaching etc. Who is to say that there isn't some abnormally talented kid out there in one of those situations but instead his talents will be channeled into being the best child soldier instead of a great bball player.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

What city you in, brochacho?

Cincinnati

[elementally morale]

SacJB Shady have a friend? Imaginary friend right?


I think your friend is you.

You're good
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZtbASCE7ZY

[andremiller07]

I think this would be a more likely case in combat sports (even than highly unlikely), but I seriously doubt theres any chance anyone out there is even close to Lebron not in the NBA.

[LikeABosh]

By "going to the stripclub with your friend", do you mean going to walmart with your imaginary friend?

[Calabis]

I think there is a point in what his friend says although it is not presented well.

Professional sports is not really established outside of the developed world. There are millions of kids in war torn africa, south america etc who will grow up without access to AAU basketball, developmental league, coaching etc. Who is to say that there isn't some abnormally talented kid out there in one of those situations but instead his talents will be channeled into being the best child soldier instead of a great bball player.

Because if he is not picking up a basketball he won't have basketball talent. So this cannot be said. People keep referring to physical talent ie athleticism....it takes massive skill sets to make NBA unless ur 7ft big bodied. Dribbling shooting passing are skills that need to be practiced and perfected...then comes the mental aspect of schematics in the NBA...there are no unknown Jordans LBJs or Kobes walking around.

[BoutPractice]

Very broadly speaking, this imaginary strip-club loving person has a point.

No one could actually be better than LeBron if you put him on the NBA court right now, of course, and streetballers are nowhere near as good at basketball as they look playing against no defense.

But there might be someone in say Africa or India who had the potential when he was young and could've developed into something special in the right circumstances. Another Hakeem who had it in him but never got discovered.

[Ballin416]

While I doubt there are people as talented as Lebron or Kobe walking around unnoticed, there are definitely people who could contribute to an NBA team and play on par if not better than a great amount of players currently under contract.

I have pondered this question myself as I ball weekly once or twice at the local YMCA and theres this guy who does nothing but shoot jumpers all day and nearly always off catch and shoot opportunities. He's usually the tallest guy on the court at about 6"3 but he doesn't care about going inside, he just wants to shoot and its usually long 2s or 3s. Most people can't contest his quick release and it's a shock when he misses. I swear this guy makes at least 80% of his shots no matter where on the court and if he's wide open, you might as well just forget about it and add the point.

Granted, he's playing with mostly midgets relative to NBA players but I'm sure there are more people like him who could fit the role of NBA spot up shooter and more. Scouts and talent assessors aren't perfect and its silly to think that everybody with NBA potential had the same opportunity and drive to make it to the league.

[Zodiac]

There'a probably some 6'10 dude in Zimbabwe who's probably more athletic than Lebron

[Real Men Wear Green]

There'a probably some 6'10 dude in Zimbabwe who's probably more athletic than Lebron
That's possible. Doesn't mean they're better at basketball.

[willds09]

Theres thousands of players out there that can cud have better fourth quarter performances in tha NBA finals than Lebron for sure :lol

[Orlando Magic]

There aren't unknown players out there better than LeBron James. That's ****ing ridiculous.

However... I will say, that out of 7 billion people in the world, if they all grew up dedicated to nothing but trying to be in the NBA, LBJ would not be the world's best player like he is now, in all extreme statistical probability. He might not even be top 10.

There are so very many people who don't play basketball, have never cared to, nor ever care to. If literally EVERYONE on the planet were gunning for the NBA and dedicated all of their talent & efforts into attaining that goal, he would not be the best. But he is. It's all hypothetical anyways.

But I'll leave it at this... there's a reason that Jamaicans are dominating the Olympic Games in running events right now... and it's not because there's something in the water. A great, great number of people in that country love running, grow up loving running, and grow up trying to give it their all to be on that level.

Also... to the guy who said he knows someone who plays pickup and shoots 80% in those games.... **** you. Not the same pressure, not the same competition, not the same level of athleticism required, nor amount of endurance. There's a reason that no NBA players shoot 60%+ from 3 but can easily do so in shoot around and casual situations where their mind is at total ease.

[DonDadda59]

Bullshit. There are no streetballers who can hold Lebron's jockstrap. The best streetball player to even make it to the NBA in modern times was Skip to my lou aka Rafer Alston who was a street legend but an average NBA player at best.

Anyone who is of age can try out for an NBA team, I don't remember hearing about any street ballers coming along to challenge Lebron's throne.

And did anyone see what happened when Kevin Durant went to the Rucker? :oldlol:

[Kingwillball]

Anyone that really believes that "all the best players in the world are in the NBA" is retarded.

Yeah because there is someone in Euro league as good as Lebron..:facepalm

[inclinerator]

there's a possibility but very slim

[Zodiac]

That's possible. Doesn't mean they're better at basketball.
But what if he does play basketball, it's not like NBA scouts go to war torn area of Africa on a consistent basis to scout

[Kingwillball]

Some player from war torn area of Africa would not be refined and know all the nuisances of gm just playing in the jungle without proper training even if he had a 50" vert..

[Zodiac]

Some player from war torn area of Africa would not be refined and know all the nuisances of gm just playing in the jungle without proper training even if he had a 50" vert..
Yea but after 2 years with Pop that brother would shit on Lebron.

[Solid Snake]

I can 100% guarantee you that you were not on the way to the strip club as you say.

I can bet my life that you are not of age to go to a strip club.

You specifically mentioned strip club because you are trying to portray your age to be older than you actually are. When in fact you are probably 14-16 years old.

It's just pretty clear, the way you portray your arguments, as mature as you try to sound, there's "slivers" of emotional immaturity that comes through in every last thread you make.

Either that, or you're mentally disabled.

[ace23]

But what if he does play basketball, it's not like NBA scouts go to war torn area of Africa on a consistent basis to scout
Yes they do. College and NBA scouts visit war-torn countries all the time.

[tmacattack33]

That's BS.

Everyone has picked up a basketball at some point.

99% of high schoolers with all-world talent would know about it and would get on their basketball team.

Once they are there, they'll know that they have a chance to make millions of dollars per year in the NBA. And nobody is going to turn that chance down.



If this was curling or some obscure sport where not everybody has even attempted, then yeah, your friend could be right. There are probably many great potential curlers out there who dont know about their curling skill because they never went to a "curling rink" (or wherever u go to play curling).

[TheMan]

LeBron is the best by default. He hit his peak at the perfect time without any real competition.

LeBron being compared to MJ makes me vomit.
While I somewhat agree with this because think about it, MJ entered the league when these GOAT players like KAJ was still beasting, Moses Malone won a chip the year before, prime Hakeem, Magic and Bird were killing it, played against Barkley, Karl Malone, Patrick Ewing and a young stud in Shaq. OTOH, other than prime Shaq, Kobe and Duncan, who are GOAT time candidates that LBJ has to beat? Old ass Garnett? Maybe Durant?

I'm not taking anything away from LBJ, he is an elite talent and in my opinion will be mentioned as a at least top 5 GOAT but his competition has been nowhere near as tough as MJ's for example...MJ lost MVPs to the likes of Magic and Bird for fvcks sake. You also need to look at level of competition when you compare legends...back to the thread topic though, OP your friend is full of shit, LeBron would literally murder a street player with one of his vicous dunks. He's the best player the world has to offer today, no doubt about that.

[Zodiac]

Yes they do. College and NBA scouts visit war-torn countries all the time.
Bullshit those ****ers get paid 30K a year with no benefits, no white boy making that low is going to be like.

"Sure I'll go stay in Africa for two weeks and try to scout NBA talent while avoiding death from Lions, Child Soldiers, Malaria, Hippos, and Gorillas."

[kurple]

why would anyone read all this?

14 year olds aint allowed in strip clubs. all this is trollin

[andgar923]

On the way to the strip club, we had this argument over how many teams should be in the NBA. He said that there should be 36 teams. The cities he said should have cities including the new Seattle Sonics are: San Diego, New Sacramento team, Tampa Bay, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, and Vegas.

I told him that it would dilute the overall talent of the league. He said that there are a lot of players out there who could play in the NBA but don't because of a myriad of reasons: maybe the didn't go to college, maybe they had an injury for a short time and never got a chance, or maybe they weren't mature enough.

But he went on and on about how some of them play street ball and are amazing. I kept saying better than Lebron?!! He was saying there are 6 billion people in this world and it would be ridiculous to think there aren't other players out there. He said if there were more players in the NBA, more would get a chance to be a Wade or a Kobe.

I asked him if there is someone out there who could put on a jersey, go play on a team right now, and put up Lebron James numbers. And he instantly said, ''Sure, why not? Even better maybe! There are 6 billion people out there, you just haven't heard or seen everyone.'' And I told him that Lebron trains and has years and years of experience and he still insisted that other street ballers out there train and know about strategy as well.

Ahhh, some people just don't get it. I tried to knock sense into him. He is also the same guy who said Sprewell was the 2nd best scorer after Jordan and that the average player scores 6 points a game.
Somebody being better than Bron may have been possible 20 years ago. But today's social media it makes it extremely hard for him not to be noticed.

Sure there may be some with similar attributes but that doesn't mean that they're better or can even play in the league.

There's probably hundreds of players around the world that have similar to superior traits compared to Kobe, it doesn't make them equal or better.

[tgan3]

Im sure there are unknown players out there that if given a chance to play in the NBA can put up pretty good numbers. But on lebron's level? Your friend must be smoking some sh1t.

Think about this Lebron trains everyday and plays against the best talent in the world every few days. I'm not doubting there are other guys who have the potential and talent. But do they they train everyday and play against top tier talent regularly? Unless, they dont have a job and their streetball court have NBA players as patronizers I highly doubt so.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Even the OP's imaginary friends quit talking to him

[All Net]

This thread was too funny to delete..

[ballup]

There are people out there that are as good as the best players whose jobs are to play the sport? Right.

[#number6ix#]

With YouTube existing its hard to believe some as good as lebron or Kobe would be unknown... Lebron brought Espn to Akron and even though its not a third world country his talent brought the world to him

[NumberSix]

Yeah, there are 6 billion people out there. Half of them are woman and the other half are men who are mostly 5'11 and under.

[ripthekik]

i think the idea is actually right, but in a different direction.

do you think someone out there would be more skilled than Lebron James, if they trained and played basketball as early as he did?

this is a legitimate question.. because if you don't try something.. how do you know if you're good or bad at it? The skills are hidden inside you.

I'm sure we've all picked up a sport, and surprised ourselves with it. And remember there are many stories, where even NBA athletes starting playing ball pretty late. Didn't Mutumbo only started playing basketball after going to Georgetown?

Also, what about athletes from other sports? I've thought about this a lot, as I play both basketball and volleyball. What if talent is wasted, because one very athletic and skilled athlete chose one sport over the other? Just think about a guy like lebron james.. he could probably find another sport and excel at it. So the fans of that other sport, will never see someone like him because he chose basketball.

Sadly, this is an unanswerable question. But worth pondering indeed.

[scm5]

No, absolutely not.

[elementally morale]

Yeah, there are 6 billion people out there.

More than 7.

[LikeABosh]

Yeah, there are 6 billion people out there. Half of them are woman and the other half are men who are mostly 5'11 and under.
:applause: :applause:

[Breezy]

Im sure there are unknown players out there that if given a chance to play in the NBA can put up pretty good numbers. But on lebron's level? Your friend must be smoking some sh1t.

Think about this Lebron trains everyday and plays against the best talent in the world every few days. I'm not doubting there are other guys who have the potential and talent. But do they they train everyday and play against top tier talent regularly? Unless, they dont have a job and their streetball court have NBA players as patronizers I highly doubt so.

This is the Key. There are no doubt players out there capable of playing in the nba that aren't for whatever reason... Grades, drugs, legal trouble... ect.

BUT Playing against NBA level competition takes your game up to the higher level. Even Lebron wouldn't be as good as Lebron if all he ever played were rec league players. The league feeds off itself and builds it's own talent.

So final answer:

Guys with the potential to be better.. Sure
Guys who actually are better... No one.

[willds09]

Yall overrated Lebron way too much, if he was that damn nice then why his Daddy David stern gave him a ring when he didnt deserve? took his talents to south beach to form a superteam? why he hogged tha ball from melo so he wouldnt get MVP and still couldnt help tha east to win? Why tha heat record isnt better than 95-96 bulls? fourth quarters in tha finals?:roll: too much to say on this bum

[NumberSix]

Yall overrated Lebron way too much, if he was that damn nice then why his Daddy David stern gave him a ring when he didnt deserve? took his talents to south beach to form a superteam? why he hogged tha ball from melo so he wouldnt get MVP and still couldnt help tha east to win? Why tha heat record isnt better than 95-96 bulls? fourth quarters in tha finals?:roll: too much to say on this bum
You're the weakest troll on ISH.

[willds09]

You're the weakest troll on ISH.
You're a hater:lol

[Foster5k]

Both you and your friend have the I.Q. of a house fly.

[Zodiac]

I'm sorry bro, but there is some dude in Africa who has way more natural talent then Lebron.

I mean Bron didn't grow up running from armies and lions and shit

[NumberSix]

I'm sorry bro, but there is some dude in Africa who has way more natural talent then Lebron.

I mean Bron didn't grow up running from armies and lions and shit
Who does?

[EnoughSaid]

Think of all the people that have played a sport. Now name me someone who is as athletic as LeBron. He is one of the most talented and athletic players we have ever seen throughout sports history. If you want to be as good or better than LeBron, you have to either be incredibly skilled, which is prime MJ level, or athletic and talented as hell. Neither are likely.

[Zodiac]

Who does?
Kids in Africa

[b1imtf]

Theres thousands of players out there that can cud have better fourth quarter performances in tha NBA finals than Lebron for sure :lol
Tell me more about Melo's Finals

[Zodiac]

Think of all the people that have played a sport. Now name me someone who is as athletic as LeBron. He is one of the most talented and athletic players we have ever seen throughout sports history. If you want to be as good or better than LeBron, you have to either be incredibly skilled, which is prime MJ level, or athletic and talented as hell. Neither are likely.
I can name 3

Bo, Deion Sanders, and Herschel Walker

[NumberSix]

Kids in Africa
Are you trolling or are you stupid enough to actually think that is true?

[Replay32]

People commenting on this topic really don't realize how difficult it his to play 82 games a year (including the playoffs) for 10+ years at a high level. There are players that aren't in the NBA that have a lot of talent. But will that talent show up night in and night out through the course of playing years in the NBA? It's easier to show talent for 1 game, 1 week, or 1 season. But can you go the length and have a lasting impact for years.

There are not many Lebron James, Kobe Bryants, Magic Johnson's, Michael Jordan's etc. walking around man. Lebron James is one of the greatest SF of all time and his impact on the game is amazing. Plus he's an athletic freak of nature. That shouldn't be taken lightly. And it's not something that is easy. We are not talking about Nick Young. We're talking about Lebron James.

[Zodiac]

Are you trolling or are you stupid enough to actually think that is true?

Someone doesn't pay attention to current events

[NumberSix]

Think of all the people that have played a sport. Now name me someone who is as athletic as LeBron. He is one of the most talented and athletic players we have ever seen throughout sports history. If you want to be as good or better than LeBron, you have to either be incredibly skilled, which is prime MJ level, or athletic and talented as hell. Neither are likely.
Don't forget, you have to be lucky enough to just happen to be born as 1 of the top 0.5% in human height. And that's just 6'4 and above.

[NumberSix]

Someone doesn't pay attention to current events
Please enlighten me. G'head.

[Zodiac]

Please enlighten me. G'head.
No, cause your a trolling douchebag that feigns ignorance so you can justifiably suck Lebrons dick without ever having to go into denial.

In summation, you're a cumtard

[NumberSix]

No, cause your a trolling douchebag that feigns ignorance so you can justifiably suck Lebrons dick without ever having to go into denial.

In summation, you're a cumtard
Sooooo.........


U mad?

[Zodiac]

Sooooo.........


U mad?
Nope, cumtard im not

[lilgodfather1]

There's not a talent on the LeBron, Kobe, Durant scale that is completely undiscovered. It's not like the monks built a court in the middle of a mountain, and scooped up the greatest players in the world at birth to play in their version of the NBA.

There could however be a few guys who are on the Alonzo Gee level. To make the NBA a lot of things have to go right. You have to stay clean from drugs, and free of jail, or be born in the right country (as in not born during a war, or something that could stop you from playing), and inuries can derail your career. Lastly you have to be lucky to make it out alive.

There's a few examples that I can think of. The GOAT - drugs, Benji - gunned down, Bias - drugs, Sabonis (sp) - not 100% sure the reason, but if I remember correctly it had to do with war or something of that nature, and Livingston - injuries.

Thing is today there's a video camera in every gym in the world. If someone is a beast at any sport the world will know about it in seconds. Youtube is great for that. I remember when I was younger hearing about LeBron as a sophmore in HS, but I heard that on tv. Today we've got 6th graders getting worldwide recognition on youtube.

[willds09]

Both you and your friend have the I.Q. of a house fly.
who u talking to? tha mirror?:lol

[willds09]

Who does?
mutumbo did right?:confusedshrug:

[Zodiac]

Sabonis' issues were due to basically abuse by the Russians

[willds09]

Tell me more about Melo's Finals
stay tuned in a June near you:D

[The Choken One]

Considering this is ~7 billion people on the planet, I would agree that there is a player out there that has the ability to be better than LeBron. But considering the massive problem of poverty all over the world, financial reasons & opportunities are the reason said person has/will never get a chance.

[SacJB Shady]

I really wish people would stop calling me a troll. It's unfair for me and it's unfortunate for you. But I was just thinking about how pissed that I was that my friend would make me feel this stupid. And my friend is almost 50. He comes up with the most absurd arguments.

[ripthekik]

No, cause your a trolling douchebag that feigns ignorance so you can justifiably suck Lebrons dick without ever having to go into denial.

In summation, you're a cumtard
ooooooh
:applause: :applause:

[Sharmer]

This is a good question.

There are Sudanese tribes that are known to average 6'7 in height.

A good example is my own personal experience teaching English to hundreds of Sudanese refugees.

Many of the refugee males played recreational basketball in their breaks. The height of the group varied from 6'4 to 7'1.

One of the students I taught was Ater Majok, 6'10 was drafted to the NBA. He did very little in the NBA. The interesting point from my observation was that Ater was not the most talented in the group. Other Sudanese recreation players were taller, could jump higher and appeared to be more skilled. None of the others pursued careers in basketball. It would have been interesting to see how far they would have gone.

All refugees were granted humanitarian visas in Australia. They were happy to live in a safe society away from war. They didn

[jack612blue]

It is highly possible that are/were people who could have been NBA superstars if they were steered into the right path.

[EnoughSaid]

I can name 3

Bo, Deion Sanders, and Herschel Walker

So 3 guys. Now you're telling me that there's someone out there who is as athletic and tall as LeBron and we don't know about them?

[pauk]

IF hypothetically every man on planet earth born around 1984-1990 (as Lebron) played/practiced as much as Lebron (or more) then its not crazy to believe that we would maybe see someone better compared to Lebron at that stage...

But its also logical to believe reality today, in which Lebron is i would say the best player in the world.... if somebody really was that good or showed that potential (especially as young as he was) then he WOULD be noticed... that talent doesnt go unnoticed at all, no matter where you are on planet earth, he was probably the most NBA ready 17-18 year old ever and most talented 15-18 year old ever (or even younger?)..... he got nationally noticed at very young age with hype like nobody else, even in middle of nowhere (Akron), much earlier than even 17.... if there was a Lebron or something better out there (at any basketball level) then we would have heard about him...

[ripthekik]

[QUOTE=Sharmer]This is a good question.

There are Sudanese tribes that are known to average 6'7 in height.

A good example is my own personal experience teaching English to hundreds of Sudanese refugees.

Many of the refugee males played recreational basketball in their breaks. The height of the group varied from 6'4 to 7'1.

One of the students I taught was Ater Majok, 6'10 was drafted to the NBA. He did very little in the NBA. The interesting point from my observation was that Ater was not the most talented in the group. Other Sudanese recreation players were taller, could jump higher and appeared to be more skilled. None of the others pursued careers in basketball. It would have been interesting to see how far they would have gone.

All refugees were granted humanitarian visas in Australia. They were happy to live in a safe society away from war. They didn

[BuffaloBill]

Bath Salts is a hell of a drug

[The Choken One]

Bath Salts is a hell of a drug
You trying to say there isn't ONE person out there that has more potential than LeBron?

If so, pass that chit you've been smoking on cuzzzzzz.

[NumberSix]

I can name 3

Bo, Deion Sanders, and Herschel Walker
The same Deion Sanders who couldn't tackle anybody?

[BuffaloBill]

You trying to say there isn't ONE person out there that has more potential than LeBron?


No. I'm trying to say SacJB Shady is on bath salts.

[COnDEMnED]

I really wish people would stop calling me a troll. It's unfair for me and it's unfortunate for you. But I was just thinking about how pissed that I was that my friend would make me feel this stupid. And my friend is almost 50. He comes up with the most absurd arguments.
Is your friend really you? Sounds like it. You don't need your "50 year old friend" (pedo?) to make you look stupid, we get that. Truthfully, if you're not trolling, I have the deepest sympathy for your sex life in the real world. Girls can usually pick up on weirdo vibes pretty easily. You have some of the most bizarre and irrational thoughts, comparable only to the basketball forum ghost hunter.

[Sharmer]

Very interesting post, and very well-articulated. How does someone like you get 2 red bars while Lebron23 has a full green bar is beyond me.

Popularity is overreacted anyway. One of the moderators Zen became very insecure with a number of my posts and negged me -130.

http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q750/Vicsatre/noweights_zpsf4634e49.png

I added the image of a Dinka warrior. Anthropometric data has many of them listed at 7.0 feet. This tribesman is clearly over 6

[Overdrive]

That's BS.
Everyone has picked up a basketball at some point.

99% of high schoolers with all-world talent would know about it and would get on their basketball team.

Once they are there, they'll know that they have a chance to make millions of dollars per year in the NBA. And nobody is going to turn that chance down.

If this was curling or some obscure sport where not everybody has even attempted, then yeah, your friend could be right. There are probably many great potential curlers out there who dont know about their curling skill because they never went to a "curling rink" (or wherever u go to play curling).

You realize that the world consists of more than the USA? Most sporttalented kids outside of the USA pickup association football, cricket, rugby or some nonteam sport.


Don't forget, you have to be lucky enough to just happen to be born as 1 of the top 0.5% in human height. And that's just 6'4 and above.

That's still about 17,5 Million people at this very point in time.

Personally I think there might be someone out there who has the physical talents of Lebron, even the coordination of an NBA-player, but never played basketball or did, but didn't pursue a career as a pro.

[NumberSix]

You realize that the world consists of more than the USA? Most sporttalented kids outside of the USA pickup association football, cricket, rugby or some nonteam sport.



That's still about 17,5 Million people at this very point in time.

Personally I think there might be someone out there who has the physical talents of Lebron, even the coordination of an NBA-player, but never played basketball or did, but didn't pursue a career as a pro.
Then you have to also get lucky enough in the genetic lottery to get LeBron's freakish athleticism which is much much more of a rarity that NBA type height.

Then what do you really have? Shawn Kemp? As rare as size and athleticism is, that's still not a guarantee that you'll get to anywhere near LeBron's level of IQ and play.

[Overdrive]

Then you have to also get lucky enough in the genetic lottery to get LeBron's freakish athleticism which is much much more of a rarity that NBA type height.

I don't think you need Lebron's exact physical traits to be better than him. Durant is quite his opposite and if he stops mimicing the point foward style he could be in Lebron's league.

Good feel for the ball, good proprioception, peripheral vision, anticipation and endurance are far more important than muscle.



Then what do you really have? Shawn Kemp? As rare as size and athleticism is, that's still not a guarantee that you'll get to anywhere near LeBron's level of IQ and play.

Well what seperates Lebron from Kemp is the feel for the ball and the IQ. Since I doubt Lebron is some rocket scientist you can aquire some BBIQ by experience the rest is vision and mentality.

A big deal of feel & IQ btw.

[The Choken One]

I can't believe some of you kiddies, do you really not understand statistics? or how much 7 billion is?

:roll: :facepalm

[ripthekik]

[QUOTE=Sharmer]Popularity is overreacted anyway. One of the moderators Zen became very insecure with a number of my posts and negged me -130.

http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q750/Vicsatre/noweights_zpsf4634e49.png

I added the image of a Dinka warrior. Anthropometric data has many of them listed at 7.0 feet. This tribesman is clearly over 6

[fos]

Your friend sounds like a messed up bitch.:confusedshrug:

[WillC]

He was saying there are 6 billion people in this world and it would be ridiculous to think there aren't other players out there.

Your friend is an idiot.

There are over 7 billion people in the world.

[elementally morale]

I agree.

When the question is rephrased to: would anyone in the world be as skilled or better than Lebron, if they had the same opportunities and trainings as he did?

I am sure the answer would be yes.


Sure. But does it really matter? The answer is always 'probably' to all these types of questions. Yes, there probably somewhere is a person who is more talented in something than the best there ever was.

So? What then?

Let's imagine the OP is actually a lot more talented than all of us in posting. He just for same reason fails to (rather: chooses not to) act accordingly. Bu he has great potential - perhaps. Does it matter? Also, there are many people who just read this forum and never write anything. Some of them would be great posters. Does it matter? They would be great but the point is moot as they don't post. Furthermore, there are a zillion people in the world who would love basketballl and ISH -- if they knew these things existed. They would... whatever.

Bottom line is they don't.

[ripthekik]

Sure. But does it really matter? The answer is always 'probably' to all these types of questions. Yes, there probably somewhere is a person who is more talented in something than the best there ever was.

To start off, this is a theoretical question that the OP presents, so of course, to an uninterested person - an easy answer of "so what" would suffice, not only to this, but to all other theoretical questions. But to others, it is actually quite an interesting view - and it touches global culture, economy, and other factors.

It is simply interesting to me that, someone out there could be as talented as Lebron, but just not found or given the opportunity to shine. It's like a plot for a movie, we've all seen plenty of this. An unknown guy living in the worst conditions suddenly finds his hidden talent. It's intriguing.

The more interesting question is: why? Why aren't these actual real life talents found, and what can we do before we lose even more of these unknown talents?

Poverty, the world still not being globalized enough, warfare, the world still lacking behind is a few of the possible answers. If you really want to.. you can go really deep and study this. So basically, it does bring up an interesting discussion - and interesting facts such as what Sharmer posted can be learned.

[elementally morale]

It is simply interesting to me that, someone out there could be as talented as Lebron, but just not found or given the opportunity to shine. It's like a plot for a movie, we've all seen plenty of this.

We have all seen PLENTY of this... so what makes it so interesting?




The more interesting question is: why? Why aren't these actual real life talents found, and what can we do before we lose even more of these unknown talents?


Why should we do anything? Are you looking for better writers, better musicians, better mathematicians all the time? We, as a society sure don't. Why single out basketball? What makes it so special other than the fact you like it?




Poverty, the world still not being globalized enough

The world being as globalized as it is is alone a huge reason for poverty of this extent. You may want to look up the change in poverty during the last 100 years.



So basically, it does bring up an interesting discussion - and interesting facts such as what Sharmer posted can be learned.

I agree, the duscussion is interesting. There is a reason I take part in it... and provoke a bit from time to time.

[ripthekik]

We have all seen PLENTY of this... so what makes it so interesting?
Because most of it happens in movies, and not real life. Anytime such a story appears in real life, it's a good one. And we want more of those. This reminds me of the whole Linsanity thing. Everyone likes a good story.. until it is ruined by the media of course.


Why should we do anything? Are you looking for better writers, better musicians, better mathematicians all the time? We, as a society sure don't. Why single out basketball? What makes it so special other than the fact you like it?
Just from the point of us being basketball fans on this forum.. do you not want to look for the next best basketball player? The next player who will dominate the league after Lebron is gone? Do you not want to see the level being raised even higher? And yes, the society is certaining looking for better writers, musicians, and mathematicians.


The world being as globalized as it is is alone a huge reason for poverty of this extent. You may want to look up the change in poverty during the last 100 years.
Poverty has always existed throughout the history of mankind. Saying the current level of poverty is even worst than previous times? Hard to fathom. Humans have lived in the worst of conditions throughout history.. but, as a whole, our average level quality of life has risen, from say 100 years ago. But it still hasn't risen to a point where these problems are fixed (and it probably never will).

[Human Error]

OP you do have an idiot friend, Scalabrine beat the 4 best streetballers in Boston area to a combined score of 40-9. Maybe there could be a great raw talent who never gets to pick up basketball in his life but an amateur guy who is actually better than Lebron? That is sheer craziness.

[The Choken One]

OP you do have an idiot friend, Scalabrine beat the 4 best streetballers in Boston area to a combined score of 40-9. Maybe there could be a great raw talent who never gets to pick up basketball in his life but an amateur guy who is actually better than Lebron? That is sheer craziness.
No one in this thread ( at least I think ) is considering that player coming from America. That talent would undoubtedly be noticed.

Now...Africa & Asia are different stories. Very large populations and a large number of social problems. That's why it's entirely possible.

[elementally morale]

Just from the point of us being basketball fans on this forum.. do you not want to look for the next best basketball player? The next player who will dominate the league after Lebron is gone? Do you not want to see the level being raised even higher?


No, not really. I prefer the way it happens. If there was a next LeBron every other week, it would be boring.



And yes, the society is certaining looking for better writers, musicians, and mathematicians.

Not true. Society isn't looking for anything. It just is. Of course they will tell you they are looking for... they don't.

George Carlin: Education
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMqJvhmD5Yg





Poverty has always existed throughout the history of mankind. Saying the current level of poverty is even worst than previous times? Hard to fathom. Humans have lived in the worst of conditions throughout history.. but, as a whole, our average level quality of life has risen, from say 100 years ago. But it still hasn't risen to a point where these problems are fixed (and it probably never will).


Today, proportionally speaking, there are a lot more poor people than ever before. And a lot less wealthy. As there are more people (100 years ago there werent even 2 billion), there are actually a lot more poor people in the world than ever before. But it is still true as a ratio.

[ProfessorMurder]

OP is obviously a massive moron... But there are probably a bunch of people in the world right now that could've been better than LeBron, but either weren't able to play basketball, had no interest in sports, got hurt young, played a different sport, or got a crazy disease. Plus they could've been murdered or died in a car crash.

[Mr. Jabbar]

pass this mesaage to your friend: TLDR

[ripthekik]

No, not really. I prefer the way it happens. It there were a next LeBron every other week, it would be boring.
Well, that'd just raise the level of NBA basketball even higher wouldn't it? Then the Lebron of Lebrons would by far the greatest thing we've ever witness.. and we as basketball fans are all winners from it.


Not true. Society isn't looking for anything. It just is. Of course they will tell you they are looking for... they don't.
I haven't watched the youtube video you posted.. but is this some conspiracy idea? From the development of society, I do think we are continuously looking for the next best. I mean, what are the point of schools? Education? Aren't scholarships made to stimulate and find the best? What are music schools for? And why are the best in society being rewarded the highest? No matter whether society WANTS or not.. the system in place is set up to seek the next best level... at all fields. That's what all the awards, records, rewards etc are for.


Today, proportionally speaking, there are a lot more poor people than ever before. And a lot less wealthy. As there are more people (100 years ago there werent even 2 billion), there are actually a lot more poor people in the world than ever before. But it is still true as a ratio.
Well, if you use the numbers, then probably. But we have certainly advanced, and today, things like Youtube allows some unknown talent to be known worldwide in less than 24 hours.. something that's not possible 30 years ago. So I do believe we are in the right direction.. Anyways, as for the further discussion of poverty, man, I think a new thread will have to be open for that..

[COnDEMnED]

I've given out too much reputation. Future neg on the way OP..

[Sharmer]

I agree.

When the question is rephrased to: would anyone in the world be as skilled or better than Lebron, if they had the same opportunities and trainings as he did?

I am sure the answer would be yes.

There

[elementally morale]

I haven't watched the youtube video you posted.. but is this some conspiracy idea?


I say it's a lot better spending 3 minutes watching it than spending 3 minutes typing about something you didn't watch. :oldlol:
No, it is not a theory, much less a conspiracy theory. It is George Carlin. I thought you knew him. Look up a few videos of his, he was a pretty interesting dude.



So I do believe we are in the right direction..


You are in your 20s, right? early 20s is my best guess...

At any rate, I don't think there is any direction at all. We just happen to go... things happen and we are arriving at places... I don't think it's any better or any worse than it was earlier. It's different. That's it.



Anyways, as for the further discussion of poverty, man, I think a new thread will have to be open for that..


I don't really want to get into it, be it this thread or another. But if you are interested in the subject, you should spend a lot more time on it and not believing the propaganda. You know you dislike ESPN because of their propaganda.

Well, if there is a lot of propaganda involved with basketball, you think there is less propaganda involved with more important things like world hunger?

[ripthekik]

I don't really want to get into it, be it this thread or another. But if you are interested in the subject, you should spend a lot more time on it and not believing the propaganda. You know you dislike ESPN because of their propaganda.

Well, if there is a lot of propaganda involved with basketball, you think there is less propaganda involved with more important things like world hunger?
I haven't had time to really get down and through information in detail on world hunger. Guess it never really piqued my interest. When I have time I will. Good discussion though, thanks.

[elementally morale]

I haven't had time to really get down and through information in detail on world hunger. Guess it never really piqued my interest. When I have time I will. Good discussion though, thanks.

The best site on sustainability, hunger, energy and the like is probably this one:
http://www.theoildrum.com
The only other site I post at. It's a bit more scientific than this one though...


As for the discussion, you're welcome. I enjoyed it myself.
:cheers: