Better defender in his position - Tim Duncan or Kobe Bryant

[Human Error]

Duncan never gets credit for his defense while Kobe has been stockpiling all NBA defensive honours so I think ISH will give the edge to Kobe on this comparison, I think it is crazy and I would give the nod to Duncan any day of the week but I would be in a minority. What do you guys all think?

[Odinn]

Negged.

Beucause you are clearly one hell of an ignoramus person and you tried to sound like you have a clue about the game of basketball.

[Human Error]

Negged.

Beucause you are clearly one hell of an ignoramus person and you tried to sound like you have a clue about the game of basketball.
You think Kobe is a better defender than Duncan? I negged you for being retarded.

[Odinn]

You think Kobe is a better defender than Duncan? I negged you for being retarded.
You're not even capable of understanding.

Even the craziest Kobe-stans don't try to sound like Kobe has a case over Duncan defensively due to having more defensive team selections. Yet you tried.

Kobe has no case over Duncan for being the better defensive player and difference is between them is not a minority.

/thread.

[DonDadda59]

Duncan never gets credit for his defense while Kobe has been stockpiling all NBA defensive honours so I think ISH will give the edge to Kobe on this comparison, I think it is crazy and I would give the nod to Duncan any day of the week but I would be in a minority. What do you guys all think?

What? Tim Duncan is universally regarded as one of the best interior defenders of all time. He just never won the DPOY, which he might finally do this year at age 36.

[comerb]

I think everyone knows Duncan is the better defender, and that Kobe wins his defensive awards more out of reputation than actual ability. I think even the Kobtards will admit that.

[ProfessorMurder]

I think everyone knows Duncan is the better defender, and that Kobe wins his defensive awards more out of reputation than actual ability. I think even the Kobtards will admit that.

They won't. He's not a great or elite defender at all. Never has been.

[selrahc]

kobe is a far better defender than duncan and has the awards to prove it

[DonDadda59]

kobe is a far better defender than duncan and has the awards to prove it

What if Timmy wins DPOY of the year at age 37 in a few weeks? :D

[Artillery]

Kobe's never been a great defender. The advanced stats confirm this. In his prime, he was above average. In recent years, his defense has been a detriment to his team. Hell, Trevor Ariza just lit his ass up the other night.

[gengiskhan]

They won't. He's not a great or elite defender at all. Never has been.

Kobe is an OVERRATED defender IMO.

A.I. feasted on Kobe in 2001 NBA Finals. The only Job kobe was given as SHAQ took care of the whole OFFENSE.

Kobe is a GOOD defender NOT a GREAT ELITE DEFENDER like Peyton, Rodman, Jordan, Pippen.

Or even somewhere btw VERY GOOD to GREAT in btw catagory: Artest, Battier.

reasons:

His transition is pretty below average. He doesnt attack the passing lanes.
He cannot play tough D for full 40 mins. He takes too many breaks to conserve energy to play offense.

[DonDadda59]

Kobe's never been a great defender. The advanced stats confirm this. In his prime, he was above average. In recent years, his defense has been a detriment to his team. Hell, Trevor Ariza just lit his ass up the other night.

Yeah Bean was a solid lock down defender during the threepeat years, he was definitely deserving of the all NBA selections. After Shaq left and the offensive burden fell more heavily on him, his defense suffered noticeably and he only played threepeat form D in spurts. He made a bunch of all NBA teams based on the reputation he built early and the occassional stretch where he played that sort of D. But the last 3 seasons, especially this year he's been downright terrible (except maybe that one game against Brandon Jennings :lol ). Dude just leaves guys wide open to shoot jumpers, he gets beat on some routine cuts, gets shredded by the quicker guards, seems lost a lot too.

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him make another all NBA team though, despite he and the Lakers as a whole being a joke defensively.

[tpols]

Tim Duncan much better defender especially recently.

Kobe was an elite defensive guard 98'-03 and in 08. He built his rep on something.. Haters acting like the rep came out of nowhere.

[chips93]

They won't. He's not a great or elite defender at all. Never has been.


:coleman:

[Artillery]

:coleman:

All the other great defensive players of the decade (Garnett, Duncan, Wallace, Howard, Bowen, Artest, Kidd, etc) have been confirmed to have been deserving of their defensive reps...all except Kobe. Def RAPM says he's never been anything more than above average(at his best) and outright bad(at his worst). There's a reason why there's such an outcry from fans every time he receives another undeserved All-Defensive accolade. He doesn't deserve half of those selections.

[gengiskhan]

kobe is a far better defender than duncan and has the awards to prove it

Yeah like REAL Award called "DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR"

-Kobe has 10 of them. :rolleyes:
-Duncan has NONE. :rolleyes:

Hope you dont bring in POPULARITY CONTEST all-D 1st & 2nd teams.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Kobe Bryant has 12 all defensive team selections.

Duncan has 13....

:confusedshrug:

[gengiskhan]

Kobe Bryant has 12 all defensive team selections.

Duncan has 13....

:confusedshrug:

still

All-D first test, second team or 3rd team is a POPULARITY CONTEST.

Where is the HARDWARE or CATAGORY CHAMPIONSHIP.

Kobe FAILED to lead NBA in STEALS catagory for a SINGLE yr. A.I has LED it 3 times.

Duncan has FAILED to lead NBA in BLOCK SHOTS catagory for a SINGLE yr.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

still

All-D first test, second team or 3rd team is a POPULARITY CONTEST.

Where is the HARDWARE or CATAGORY CHAMPIONSHIP.

Kobe FAILED to lead NBA in STEALS catagory for a SINGLE yr. A.I has LED it 3 times.

Duncan has FAILED to lead NBA in BLOCK SHOTS catagory for a SINGLE yr.

There is no such thing as third team all defensive team.

How do you such strong opinions about subjects you apparently know nothing about?

The idea that AI was a strong defender due to steals or Duncan was not due to not leading the league in blocks is as bizarre as your RANDOM word CAPITILIZATIONS and SPELLANGS.

[gengiskhan]

There is no such thing as third team all defensive team.

How do you such strong opinions about subjects you apparently know nothing about?

The idea that AI was a strong defender due to steals or Duncan was not due to not leading the league in blocks is as bizarre as your RANDOM word CAPITILIZATIONS and SPELLANGS.

There is even a 4th team if its a POPULARITY CONTEST.

trust me.

Both Duncan & Kobe had 15+ yrs to be atleast in TOP 3 to show their defensive powers.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

There is even a 4th team if its a POPULARITY CONTEST.

trust me.

Both Duncan & Kobe had 15+ yrs to be atleast in TOP 3 to show their defensive powers.

They did. Kobe, Duncan and Garnett have the most all defensive team selections of all time. They have 10 rings between them. They have been a part of probably a half dozen #1 ranked defensive teams. Great championship leveL TWO WAY SUPERSTARS are POPULAR. :confusedshrug:

[chips93]

All the other great defensive players of the decade (Garnett, Duncan, Wallace, Howard, Bowen, Artest, Kidd, etc) have been confirmed to have been deserving of their defensive reps...all except Kobe. Def RAPM says he's never been anything more than above average(at his best) and outright bad(at his worst). There's a reason why there's such an outcry from fans every time he receives another undeserved All-Defensive accolade. He doesn't deserve half of those selections.

exactly

he deserves up to half of them, so at one point he was an elite defender, which was my point

[tmacattack33]

Duncan never gets credit for his defense while Kobe has been stockpiling all NBA defensive honours so I think ISH will give the edge to Kobe on this comparison, I think it is crazy and I would give the nod to Duncan any day of the week but I would be in a minority. What do you guys all think?

:confusedshrug:

[Yao Ming's Foot]

All the other great defensive players of the decade (Garnett, Duncan, Wallace, Howard, Bowen, Artest, Kidd, etc) have been confirmed to have been deserving of their defensive reps...all except Kobe. Def RAPM says he's never been anything more than above average(at his best) and outright bad(at his worst). There's a reason why there's such an outcry from fans every time he receives another undeserved All-Defensive accolade. He doesn't deserve half of those selections.

All the other great defensive players of the decade (PF, PF, C, C, SF, SF, PG, etc)

:biggums:

1) Defensive RAPM has never been the standard for all defensive team awards

2) All defensive teams are voted in with a 5 man lineup. The large majority of voters vote PG-SG-SF-PF-C. In other words none of those guys you mentioned are actually in competition with Kobe for his awards.

3) There is an outcry because haters are going to hate.

[Vertical-24]

kobe is a far better defender than duncan and has the awards to prove it

Stop it. You're making Lakers fans look bad.

Duncan is far and away the better defender. One of the best defensive bigs i've ever seen, particularly from the PF position. He just never won DPOY, but mostly always played DPOY-caliber basketball.

Kobe is a good man-to-man defender when he's focused on it...but ever since around '09 he started to become more and more inconsistent. 1999-2003 Kobe was an incredible 1v1 defender, and would play the passing lanes extremely well. I still wouldn't take him over Duncan. Interior defense is essentially more important than perimeter defense anyway.

[D.J.]

Duncan certainly has received credit for his defense. Even though he's never won a DPOY, he's at least been considered for the award. Kobe's defense was above average, but his defense didn't make you say "Oh wow, this guy is a DPOY candidate". Kobe was no Bowen or Artest.

[Human Error]

You're not even capable of understanding.

Even the craziest Kobe-stans don't try to sound like Kobe has a case over Duncan defensively due to having more defensive team selections. Yet you tried.

Kobe has no case over Duncan for being the better defensive player and difference is between them is not a minority.

/thread.
I was being sarcastic about Duncan not getting credit for his defense, there have been threads on how Duncan is overrated and how he just can stand around and viewed as a good defender for his long arms when his fundamentals in defenive rebounds and blocking shots are lacking, they are just crazy/dumb people who know nothing about basketball. Seem like you are a fan of Duncan's, you should not have attacked me in the first place because what I did was saying how Duncan is underrated and you were not smart enough to get the sarcasm.

Back to the topic, Kobe has probably accumulated more all defensive honours than any other wing playerd in the league and his fans have him as the best defensive player to have ever played the position so I wanted to know what other posters think.

[Whoah10115]

I was being sarcastic about Duncan not getting credit for his defense, there have been threads on how Duncan is overrated and how he just can stand around and viewed as a good defender for his long arms when his fundamentals in defenive rebounds and blocking shots are lacking, they are just crazy/dumb people who know nothing about basketball. Seem like you are a fan of Duncan's, you should not have attacked me in the first place because what I did was saying how Duncan is underrated and you were not smart enough to get the sarcasm.

Back to the topic, Kobe has probably accumulated more all defensive honours than any other wing playerd in the league and his fans have him as the best defensive player to have ever played the position so I wanted to know what other posters think.



Anyway...outside of maybe 9empire/kennethgriffin there isn't a single living organism that considers Kobe the best defensive SG ever.

Of course, stupid people like yourself turn him into "He hasn't deserved one since 2003". Which is nonsense.


Anyway, if I'm right here, Duncan has made the more All-Defensive Teams than anyone in history. He made the All-NBA Team and All-Defensive Team his first 13 years in the league. They even voted him in as a C his last two times (despite making the All-NBA Team as a F both years). I know he made the 1st Team in five straight seasons and then I know he made it at least twice after...I think he's made the 1st Team 8 times total. I know Jordan, KG, Payton, Kobe all made it 9 times and that that's the record. So, because of ties, Duncan is at least tied for 5th place...assuming I'm not giving him one extra.


Now, most people consider Duncan a top 2-3 defensive PF ever...some even think he's the best. I don't know that there's anyone who would argue him out of the top 5. Jordan, Moncrief, Dumars, West...off the top of my head those are the top 4...Robertson is also up there. I have no idea why I wasted this much time responding but there you go.

[Vertical-24]

still

All-D first test, second team or 3rd team is a POPULARITY CONTEST.

Where is the HARDWARE or CATAGORY CHAMPIONSHIP.

Kobe FAILED to lead NBA in STEALS catagory for a SINGLE yr. A.I has LED it 3 times.

Duncan has FAILED to lead NBA in BLOCK SHOTS catagory for a SINGLE yr.

Right because defensive "stats" tell the whole story :rolleyes:

Ibaka led the league in blocks last season, do you believe he should've been the DPOY?

[D-Wade316]

They won't. He's not a great or elite defender at all. Never has been.
Shh. Don't say that. :no:

[Vertical-24]

They won't. He's not a great or elite defender at all. Never has been.

Exaggeration at its finest.

Kobe from 1999-2003 was a borderline lockdown man-to-man defender and one of the best roaming defenders in the league. He could play the passing lanes extremely well too. 2008 was a great defensive year for him as well. I'm not going to act like Kobe has deserved EVERY selection he has gotten, particularly from 09 - onwards, but let's not re-write history either.

[KOBE143]

Kobe is/was the better perimeter defender while Duncan is/was the better interior defender.. Both were all time great defender tho.. Probably top 5 all time defender in their respective position..

[Sakkreth]

Lol Timmy easily. The fck with such threads.

[Lebron23]

Tim Duncan

[Artillery]

This thread is actually an insult to Duncan...especially when you're comparing him to someone who's played worse defense than Steve Nash this year.

[dh144498]

Kobe is/was the better perimeter defender while Duncan is/was the better interior defender.. Both were all time great defender tho.. Probably top 5 all time defender in their respective position..

this. Can't go wrong with either as a defensive anchor. top 5 all time defender for their respective positions for sure.

[Rysio]

kobe was probably better defender at his peak but duncan was always more consistent through out his career that is a fact but that could just be because his offense never was anywhere close to kobes so he couldnt just slack on defense and get away with it. if he would've tried that spurs would've let him go 6-7 years ago.

[NumberSix]

WTF?

Duncan is a DPOY candidate. Kobe is one of the worst players in the league on defense.

[KG215]

Even the craziest Kobe-stans don't try to sound like Kobe has a case over Duncan defensively due to having more defensive team selections. Yet you tried.

Clearly you haven't read enough of KennethGriffin and 9erempire posts.

[KG215]

kobe was probably better defender at his peak but duncan was always more consistent through out his career that is a fact but that could just be because his offense never was anywhere close to kobes so he couldnt just slack on defense and get away with it. if he would've tried that spurs would've let him go 6-7 years ago.
No.

[Legends66NBA7]

Duncan never gets credit for his defense while Kobe has been stockpiling all NBA defensive honours so I think ISH will give the edge to Kobe on this comparison, I think it is crazy and I would give the nod to Duncan any day of the week but I would be in a minority. What do you guys all think?

Are you ****ing kidding me right now with the bold ?

:banghead:

http://www.poundingtherock.com/2013/3/20/4126524/tim-duncan-NBA-dpoy-defensive-player-year-DuncanDPOY

http://www.poundingtherock.com/2013/3/20/4117576/tim-duncan-is-the-defensive-player-of-the-year

And this just for this season. But yeah, he never gets credit for his defense. :rolleyes:

[taucesays]

Difficult question to answer since there are rules that specifically prevent guards from playing effective defense. The C/PF position is much more important to overall team defense. Gotta go with Timmy

[Legends66NBA7]

I was being sarcastic about Duncan not getting credit for his defense, there have been threads on how Duncan is overrated and how he just can stand around and viewed as a good defender for his long arms when his fundamentals in defenive rebounds and blocking shots are lacking, they are just crazy/dumb people who know nothing about basketball.

Those are trolls like SacJB Shady, moron.

The rest of the board with their head on straight knows that Duncan is an all-time great defender and better than Bryant.

And enough with the obvious agenda against Kobe Bryant. You're no different than any of those idiotic stans, by creating reaction threads posted from nonsense than doesn't need mentioning because of insane stupidity.

[ILLsmak]

It's hard to say. When I think of defender, I think of how much people have roasted him. I think TD got super roasted by Amare. I haven't watched every Kobe or TD game, but I've seen some bball... I can't remember Kobe getting ****ed like that.

If we're talking team defense, sure TD. But individual, I dunno... career wise I'd say Kobe. Feel free to post something that shows Kobe getting destroyed.

-Smak

[Xiao Yao You]

Rudy and Navarro roasted Kobe in the gold medal game when his role was supposed to be defensive stopper. He's highly overrated defensively. I'll take Tim.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Rudy and Navarro roasted Kobe in the gold medal game when his role was supposed to be defensive stopper. He's highly overrated defensively. I'll take Tim.

Don't remember how Duncan fared in the Olympics? :oldlol:

[rmt]

It's hard to say. When I think of defender, I think of how much people have roasted him. I think TD got super roasted by Amare. I haven't watched every Kobe or TD game, but I've seen some bball... I can't remember Kobe getting ****ed like that.

If we're talking team defense, sure TD. But individual, I dunno... career wise I'd say Kobe. Feel free to post something that shows Kobe getting destroyed.

-Smak

Remind me again which team won those series. Spurs' game plan was to cover the shooters, force Nash to be a shooter (and not an assist man) and let Amare have his. In case, you don't remember, Duncan also had his in those Suns' series.

[Round Mound]

Duncan. He is the Best Rim Protecing and Shot Blocking PF of All Time. Kobe? Good or Above Average Defender at Best.

[ILLsmak]

Remind me again which team won those series. Spurs' game plan was to cover the shooters, force Nash to be a shooter (and not an assist man) and let Amare have his. In case, you don't remember, Duncan also had his in those Suns' series.

I'd say the better team won. I do remember, but we're talking about D.

Edit: @ Kobe in Olympics, when was that? Are we talking about this year, then TD for sure. I thought we were talking about individual (at his position) and prime.

-Smak

[Carbine]

Duncan had plantar fasciitis in that series Amare dropped a bunch of points on the Spurs.

Anyone who has ever had that type of foot injury knows it is incredibly painful to even jog, let alone cut and plant hard and run hard.

[Xiao Yao You]

I'd say the better team won. I do remember, but we're talking about D.

Edit: @ Kobe in Olympics, when was that? Are we talking about this year, then TD for sure. I thought we were talking about individual (at his position) and prime.

-Smak

Beijing. If not for Spain digging themselves a big hole early they could have certainly won.