Who would you rather build your team around - David Robinson or Kobe Bryant?

[Human Error]

Kobe is considered as a top 5~10 player of all time among ISH posters while David Robinson hardly gets a consideration for even top 20, so I presume that Kobe will win this comparison in a landslide. I personally think it is crazy and I would pick the Admiral over Kobe as the cornerstone but I may be in a minority. What do you guys all think?

[gengiskhan]

Kobe is considered as a top 5~10 player of all time among ISH posters while David Robinson hardly gets a consideration for even top 20, so I presume that Kobe will win this comparison in a landslide. I personally think it is crazy and I would pick the Admiral over Kobe as the cornerstone but I may be in a minority. What do you guys all think?

@ 7'1" height & a long wingspan, THE ADMIRAL has a quickness of a guard, a strength of a center & agility of a SG/SF.

On efficiency alone, in today's NBA. D'rob can deliver 3 season MVPs + 3 DOMINANT FMVPs & 3 DPOY titles at the very least.

D'Rob is a SUPERIOR version of Dwight Howard.

Why would you build a team around 6' 6" INEFFICIENT guard who shoots from long-range when D'Rob is available as a FIRST PICK in draft!

[Shade8780]

They're both players who won mostly from getting a help. Robinson had Duncan and Kobe had Shaq and Pau. If I had to pick though, I'd probably go with Kobe.

[Foster5k]

Kobe Bryant.

DRob needed Tim Duncan in order to win a couple rings. Not to mention, he never really had that killer instinct that Kobe has.

However, that's with hindsight. If I was a GM, and it's between Kobe or DRob, ofcourse I'm taking DRob. You just don't pass on a center like DRob in a draft.

Either way, Kobe has had the better career. Also, with Kobe you get a lot of longevity and sale more tickets.

[Human Error]

@ 7'1" height & a long wingspan, THE ADMIRAL has a quickness of a guard, a strength of a center & agility of a SG/SF.

On efficiency alone, in today's NBA. D'rob can deliver 3 season MVPs + 3 DOMINANT FMVPs & 3 DPOY titles at the very least.

D'Rob is a SUPERIOR version of Dwight Howard.

Why would you build a team around 6' 6" INEFFICIENT guard who shoots from long-range when D'Rob is available as a FIRST PICK in draft!
Nice post. Repped. Howard is better than you think though.

[Sharmer]

I would always build my team around a C, with MJ the expection.

[gengiskhan]

I would always build my team around a C, with MJ the expection.

If Hakeem is in Draft, I'll pick him over MJ.

If Kareem is in Draft, I'll pick him over MJ.

If D'rob is in Draft, I'll pick him over MJ.

If Ewing is in Draft, I'll pick him over MJ.

If Shaq is in Draft, I'll pick him over MJ.

B'Ball is built for Center to DOMINATE. Perimeter talent is unproven at Pro level. Cant risk it.

[jongib369]

This is a tough one....Obviously I have Kobe ranked higher but like I said in a post the other day I value the Center and Point guard postion more than the rest. Considering how crappy the centers are today, I'd pick Robinson because I get a HOF Center who would tear todays crop a new asshole. Hopefully Hakeem isn't playing on another team though O_O


Not meaning to disrespect Kobe, cant go wrong with either of them....Just depends on what type of team you want to build

[Scholar]

If I'm building to win, I'd go with DRob only because in today's generation of the NBA, there wouldn't be a threat for him in the post. He'd probably average 25-30 ppg in the post alone.

If I'm building to draw large crowds and sell merchandise, Kobe wins by a landslide.



Now I don't want anyone to assume I'm calling DRob a better winner than Kobe because 5 rings don't lie, but this is also an assumption that we're starting this hypothetical franchise from today onward, which means Kobe would be just another 6'6" shooting guard in the league, albeit one who would make his defense look foolish practically night in, night out.
All while Robinson would be a 7'0" center with the best footwork in the modern era.

[comerb]

In this era? Robinson. He'd absolutely murder the bigs in the league right now, and he's still fast and agile enough to play in a small ball league. Plus the dude is just a super quality person.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Today? DRob without thinking twice. I'd load up on as many spot up shooters, defenders and overall wing talent as I could.

[SCdac]

Does that include teaming The Admiral up with Shaq, Gasol, Howard, Nash, etc?

If you look at the Spurs rosters in the 90's, they weren't all that.

In todays league Robinson would be the best player not named Lebron easily.

[tpols]

If I knew about both their mental makeup beforehand? How could it not be kobe? He'll always go hard at the very least and be a 30/5+/5+ player in his prime.. 10x the heart=more winning. Robinsons soft.. He'll back down.

[gengiskhan]

If I knew about both their mental makeup beforehand? How could it not be kobe? He'll always go hard at the very least and be a 30/5+/5+ player in his prime.. 10x the heart=more winning. Robinsons soft.. He'll back down.

1992 NBA DPOY says Hi (over Hakeem)

1995 NBA MVP says Hi (over Shaq)

1995 Scoring Champ says Hi (over Shaq)

"soft" my foot! D'Rob is as cold as they come. Unlucky, He did not play in '00 decade of '10 decade.

Freaking Nowitzki still is an NBA Champ in today's era even after loosing 2006 finals as ULTIMATE SOFTY. :roll:

You think THE ADMIRAL will back down. He is a FAAKING 1992 NBA BLOCK SHOTS LEADER!

don't get PUNKED by D'Rob's ear to ear smile. He's not a MR NICE GUY in PAINTED AREA.

[Artillery]

Robinson carried scrubs and inept coaches to 50+ wins seasons. Kobe, when he was surrounded by scrubs, missed the playoffs entirely in '05, and barely squeeked by as a lowly 7th/8th seed in '06 and '07.

[tpols]

1992 NBA DPOY says Hi (over Hakeem)

1995 NBA MVP says Hi (over Shaq)

1995 Scoring Champ says Hi (over Shaq)

"soft" my foot! D'Rob is as cold as they come. Unlucky, He did not play in '00 decade of '10 decade.

Freaking Nowitzki still is an NBA Champ in today's era even after loosing 2006 finals as ULTIMATE SOFTY. :roll:

You think THE ADMIRAL will back down. He is a FAAKING 1992 NBA BLOCK SHOTS LEADER!

don't get PUNKED by D'Rob's ear to ear smile. He's not a MR NICE GUY in PAINTED AREA.
DROB regular season- 21/11 52FG
Playoffs------------->18/11 48FG

KOBE regular season- 25/5/5 45FG
Playoffs------------->25/5/5 45FG

One dips one stays consistent against better competition.

[Bigsmoke]

I don't like Kobe but I'd rather build around him 7 times out of 10 over that tall underperforming guy who was shitted on by Hakeem.

[gengiskhan]

DROB regular season- 21/11 52FG
Playoffs------------->18/11 48FG

KOBE regular season- 25/5/5 45FG
Playoffs------------->25/5/5 45FG

One dips one stays consistent against better competition.

'90s era DEFENSE when THE ADMIRAL bumped into HAKEEM more often than Not. His EQUAL at every level OFFENSIVELY & DEFENSIVELY.

Kobe's PO stats are misleading. He NEVER bumped into CLYDE or PIPPEN or MJ in the past or WADE at present in any POST SEASON.

You wont see Kobe average more than 20 ppg if it happened.

[avonbarksdale]

kobe

[tpols]

'90s era DEFENSE when THE ADMIRAL bumped into HAKEEM more often than Not. His EQUAL at every level OFFENSIVELY & DEFENSIVELY.

Kobe's PO stats are misleading. He NEVER bumped into CLYDE or PIPPEN or MJ in the past or WADE at present in any POST SEASON.

You wont see Kobe average more than 20 ppg if it happened.
90s defense? I just gave you stats comparing playoffs and regular seasons.. in the 90s. D'Rob sunk in the playoffs.. Kobe stayed consistent.

[SyRyanYang]

Are you even serious? D-Rob would probably be better than Lebron in this era.

[gengiskhan]

90s defense? I just gave you stats comparing playoffs and regular seasons.. in the 90s. D'Rob sunk in the playoffs.. Kobe stayed consistent.

D'rob with SCRUBS got to 1st round Post season & even 2nd Round post season. '

90s SAS franchise was completely D'Rob DEPENDENT.

Kobe with SCRUBS couldn't FAILED to make it to Post season.
Kobe BIGGER CHOKER as he lost series after going up 3-1.
Kobe BIGGER CHOKER for not showing up in Game 7 of Suns series.

Where is Kobe's consistency here?

[Zodiac]

I'd build my team around Karl Malone's elbows

[gengiskhan]

Are you even serious? D-Rob would probably be better than Lebron in this era.

I agree.

LBJ has BULK MUSCLES.
D'ROB has ATHLETIC TONED MUSCLES.

D'ROB played 10 feet around the basket.
LBJ plays in PERIMETER.

D'Rob can easily be UNSTOPPABLE in today's era with his athleticism, quickness & strength & killer defense.

LBJ can still be STOPPED & he does not have KILLE D. He has a GOOD Defense.

I predict D-rob will have 3 MVPs, 3 DPOY, 3 FMVP in todays era. EASILY!

[Whoah10115]

It's a shame that David Robinson is only brought up to have one performance exaggerated and subsequently a career downplayed...and then in this thread.



DROB regular season- 21/11 52FG
Playoffs------------->18/11 48FG

KOBE regular season- 25/5/5 45FG
Playoffs------------->25/5/5 45FG

One dips one stays consistent against better competition.



That's because you're including the Duncan days. If you look at him pre-Duncan then his stats don't dip too much. His playoff average is at 24PPG and 11.8RPG, almost a full 3APG and I think over 49FG% before Duncan showed up.

[NumberSix]

In this era, Kobe. If this was 1991, admiral.

[Mr. Jabbar]

Ok, lunatic kobe haters already had their fun picking Drob, mods can delete this nonsense thread now, not even a valid question.

[Artillery]

DROB regular season- 21/11 52FG
Playoffs------------->18/11 48FG

KOBE regular season- 25/5/5 45FG
Playoffs------------->25/5/5 45FG

One dips one stays consistent against better competition.

Kobe's dips against better competition too:

Kobe TS% regular season: .555
Kobe TS% playoffs: .541

[tpols]

It's a shame that David Robinson is only brought up to have one performance exaggerated and subsequently a career downplayed...and then in this thread.






That's because you're including the Duncan days. If you look at him pre-Duncan then his stats don't dip too much. His playoff average is at 24PPG and 11.8RPG, almost a full 3APG and I think over 49FG% before Duncan showed up.
Actually.. Yea you're right. Somehow he dipped from regular to playoffs a lot in 02 and 03. Wonder why..

[Sharmer]

If Hakeem is in Draft, I'll pick him over MJ.

If Kareem is in Draft, I'll pick him over MJ.

If D'rob is in Draft, I'll pick him over MJ.

If Ewing is in Draft, I'll pick him over MJ.

If Shaq is in Draft, I'll pick him over MJ.

B'Ball is built for Center to DOMINATE. Perimeter talent is unproven at Pro level. Cant risk it.

I agree but MJ is the one exception, he had the killer winning instinct. For that one exception I would pick MJ first.

[3LiftHeatCurse]

Kobe is considered as a top 5~10 player of all time among ISH posters while David Robinson hardly gets a consideration for even top 20, so I presume that Kobe will win this comparison in a landslide. I personally think it is crazy and I would pick the Admiral over Kobe as the cornerstone but I may be in a minority. What do you guys all think?

what? Whoever is ranking Kobe in the top 10 is delusional. Probably based on ring count.

Ring count is probably also the reason D-Rob and other players like him are underrated.

To answer OP's question, I would take David Robinson.

[willds09]

:kobe:

[gengiskhan]

what? Whoever is ranking Kobe in the top 10 is delusional. Probably based on ring count.

Ring count is probably also the reason D-Rob and other players like him are underrated.

To answer OP's question, I would take David Robinson.

agreed.

Kobe's OVERRATING is based on ring count alone.

He is an all-time great btw but probably around 12-15 spots. Not higher than that.

[Segatti]

Kobe is the best playoff performer, hands down

[KOBE143]

Kobe

Dude has 5 rings and counting.. Bailed out Shaq multiple times in the PO to win multiple championships.. And we know Shaq was better than DRob by a wide margin.. If you want to win multiple division title you will choose DRob but if you want to win multiple NBA titles, your pick should be none other than the Black Mamba.. Only player that I will pick over Kobe are MJ, KAJ and Magic..

[gengiskhan]

Kobe is the best playoff performer, hands down

agreed.

2004 NBA Finals. :roll:
2006 Post season. :roll:
2007 Post season after LAL went up 3-1. :lol
2008 NBA Finals. :lol
2000 NBA Finals. :roll:
2011 NBA 1st Round.
2012 NBA 1st Round.

He is da best playoff performer, hands down. :applause:

[Solid Snake]

Give me the one who's NOT a world class, professional ball hog.

Kobe is great. He's the polished, ELITE version of the ball hog you hate playing with on the court. He has enough positive traits that most of his negatives are overlooked, and if one dares point the negatives out, they get shunned.

[Xiao Yao You]

The Admiral

[Xiao Yao You]

@ 7'1" height & a long wingspan, THE ADMIRAL has a quickness of a guard, a strength of a center & agility of a SG/SF.

On efficiency alone, in today's NBA. D'rob can deliver 3 season MVPs + 3 DOMINANT FMVPs & 3 DPOY titles at the very least.

D'Rob is a SUPERIOR version of Dwight Howard.

Why would you build a team around 6' 6" INEFFICIENT guard who shoots from long-range when D'Rob is available as a FIRST PICK in draft!

Bosh is the guy who's game reminds me of David.

[Cali Syndicate]

Bosh is the guy who's game reminds me of David.

if Bosh was on crack and steroids, then yes.

[pauk]

If I'm building to win, I'd go with DRob only because in today's generation of the NBA, there wouldn't be a threat for him in the post. He'd probably average 25-30 ppg in the post alone.

If I'm building to draw large crowds and sell merchandise, Kobe wins by a landslide.



Now I don't want anyone to assume I'm calling DRob a better winner than Kobe because 5 rings don't lie, but this is also an assumption that we're starting this hypothetical franchise from today onward, which means Kobe would be just another 6'6" shooting guard in the league, albeit one who would make his defense look foolish practically night in, night out.
All while Robinson would be a 7'0" center with the best footwork in the modern era.

This, David Robinson would be a nasty mismatch for any "Center" today, he would abuse this small ball era....

[dh144498]

If Hakeem is in Draft, I'll pick him over MJ.

If Kobe is in Draft, I'll pick him over MJ.

If D'rob is in Draft, I'll pick him over MJ.

If Ewing is in Draft, I'll pick him over MJ.

If Shaq is in Draft, I'll pick him over MJ.

B'Ball is built for Center to DOMINATE. Perimeter talent is unproven at Pro level unless you are talking about Gawdbe. Cant risk it with MJ, rather have Kobe.

fixed

:applause: :applause: :bowdown:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Bosh is the guy who's game reminds me of David.

Yeah, if you're Helen Keller.

[Xiao Yao You]

if Bosh was on crack and steroids, then yes.

So Howard's game is more like David's because of the muscles? Howard's game is around the rim overpowering people. David's game was more finesse.

[Bigsmoke]

D'rob with SCRUBS got to 1st round Post season & even 2nd Round post season. '

90s SAS franchise was completely D'Rob DEPENDENT.

Kobe with SCRUBS couldn't FAILED to make it to Post season.
Kobe BIGGER CHOKER as he lost series after going up 3-1.
Kobe BIGGER CHOKER for not showing up in Game 7 of Suns series.

Where is Kobe's consistency here?
Lol dude never in his career had a worse team than Kobe in 07. If anything, more people would have Rodman over Pau Gasol so when was Roberson excuse of losing in the first round in 94?

[pauk]

So Howard's game is more like David's because of the muscles? Howard's game is around the rim overpowering people. David's game was more finesse.

A bigger, more athletic, more powerful, more physical, much better at everything and MUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCC CCCCCCCCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH (notice the "Much") more defensive version of Bosh... yes... :)

[Xiao Yao You]

A bigger, more athletic, more powerful, more physical, much better at everything and MUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCC CCCCCCCCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH (notice the "Much") more defensive version of Bosh... yes... :)

OK. Who said he was as good as Robinson? I said his game reminded me of him. Howards certainly doesn't despite being bigger. more athletic, more physical and much more defensive than Bosh. On the offensive side of the ball Bosh's game is much, more similar to Dave's.

[Anaximandro1]

David Robinson

A dominant big man would be invaluable in today's league because of lack of competition.

David Robinson would fit like a glove at current Spurs.It's hard to imagine any team being able to beat them

prime Robinson
Splitter/Diaw
Leonard/Jax
Green/Manu
Parker

[Doctor Rivers]

Wouldn't any of these big men from the 90s have a much tougher time in the post in today's game due to the change in defensive rules? You can basically leave an extra man back in the post at all times.

[Overdrive]

Wouldn't any of these big men from the 90s have a much tougher time in the post in today's game due to the change in defensive rules? You can basically leave an extra man back in the post at all times.

Robinson was a hell of a passer and had a good face up game, smooth midrange jumper. Double teams would be useless if you surround him with good shooters and/or slashing/cutting wings. Give him too much attention and his team kills you and he'd put up guardlike assist numbers.

That said I couldn't decide who to take. I always loved Robinson's skillset, but he always seemed to lack the hunger of other (star)players.

[Rubio2Gasol]

I always thought of Robinson like the Russian dude from Rocky IV.

He's become underrated. He was great, an athletic specimen, mechanically good at everything and one of the best team defensive centers you'll ever see...but give me Kobe.

[24r2]

Kobe based on looks alone, people will get more fans on your team and add his jordanesque game, this is no contest :confusedshrug:

[RRR3]

Kobe based on looks alone, people will get more fans on your team and add his jordanesque game, this is no contest :confusedshrug:
http://i.imgflip.com/265k.jpg

[elementally morale]

If I don't know their future, Robinson without thinking twice. If I know their future, Kobe. Now if I'm a GM, I may go with Robinson even if I know their future, but if I'm an owner I definitely go with Kobe.

[Sharmer]

Wouldn't any of these big men from the 90s have a much tougher time in the post in today's game due to the change in defensive rules? You can basically leave an extra man back in the post at all times.

It's the otherway around, some like Bosh would get destroyd by C in the 90's.

[dh144498]

let's see, the GOAT, Kobe Bryant vs D. Robinson....

yeah I'll take the GOAT, Kobe Bryant.

[kshutts1]

If Hakeem is in Draft, I'll pick him over MJ.

If Kareem is in Draft, I'll pick him over MJ.

If D'rob is in Draft, I'll pick him over MJ.

If Ewing is in Draft, I'll pick him over MJ.

If Shaq is in Draft, I'll pick him over MJ.



I don't agree with everyone on this list... I'd pick Hakeem, Shaq, Kareem, Russell, Wilt, Duncan over Kobe or Jordan if I was starting a team AND knew careers.
DRob, Ewing, etc (the next tier), I would pick Jordan or Kobe.

I'm not saying the above Centers are better than Jordan or Kobe (they're not better than Jordan, and some of them are better than Kobe), but I think it would be easier to build a winning team around the C.

[Legends66NBA7]

Yeah, if you're Helen Keller.

:oldlol:

I would say Robinson's game is similar to Kevin Garnett.

[Artillery]

Robinson was a hell of a passer and had a good face up game, smooth midrange jumper. Double teams would be useless if you surround him with good shooters and/or slashing/cutting wings. Give him too much attention and his team kills you and he'd put up guardlike assist numbers.

That said I couldn't decide who to take. I always loved Robinson's skillset, but he always seemed to lack the hunger of other (star)players.

Replace Dwight with DRob on those recent Magic teams and I see Orlando winning one or two championships at least. Dwight's supposed to be this era's best center and he averaged 15 ppg in the Finals. Pathetic for a star player.

[pegasus]

D-Rob.

Then I'd hope he is injured one season, so my team can tank and grab Duncan in the draft, because D-Rob + Duncan >> Kobe. Otherwise, Kobe >>>> D-Rob.

[Mr. Jabbar]

Kobe based on looks alone, people will get more fans on your team and add his jordanesque game, this is no contest :confusedshrug:

more women would follow the team for sure :applause:

[Rysio]

regular season hero vs one of the greatest winners in nba history. so hard to choose. :rolleyes:

[dh144498]

really easy to choose. Kobe for sure. Proven winner, clutch, just a better overall player. :confusedshrug: