Top Ten European Players

[OlDeRaDo_64]

I was wonderin who was in eeryones top ten for Europe... mine is
1.Steve Nash ,England
2.Dirk Nowitzki ,Germany
3.Andrei Kirilenko ,Russia
4.Pau Gasol ,Spain
5.Boris Diaw ,France
6.Tony Parker ,France
7.Hedo Turkoglo ,Turkey
8.Vladmir Radmanovic ,Serbia
9.Mickael Peitrious ,France
10.Ronnie Turiaf , France (Boy he can dance :rockon: )

I hope you post to this with your opinion

[R.I.P.]

I was wonderin who was in eeryones top ten for Europe... mine is
1.Steve Nash ,England
2.Dirk Nowitzki ,Germany
3.Andrei Kirilenko ,Russia
4.Pau Gasol ,Spain
5.Boris Diaw ,France
6.Tony Parker ,France
7.Hedo Turkoglo ,Turkey
8.Vladmir Radmanovic ,Serbia
9.Mickael Peitrious ,France
10.Ronnie Turiaf , France (Boy he can dance :rockon: )

I hope you post to this with your opinion

Parker is better than Kirilenko and Diaw, Gasol is better than Kirilenko. A lot of guys are better than Radmanovic.

[Student]

I was wonderin who was in eeryones top ten for Europe... mine is
1.Steve Nash ,England
2.Dirk Nowitzki ,Germany
3.Andrei Kirilenko ,Russia
4.Pau Gasol ,Spain
5.Boris Diaw ,France
6.Tony Parker ,France
7.Hedo Turkoglo ,Turkey
8.Vladmir Radmanovic ,Serbia
9.Mickael Peitrious ,France
10.Ronnie Turiaf , France (Boy he can dance :rockon: )

I hope you post to this with your opinion

Steve Nash is Canadian !

He was born : February 7, 1974 Johannesburg, South Africa....but grew up in CA

[bleedinpurple]

you are missing an All-Star...Mehmet Okur

[OlDeRaDo_64]

Oh yea memo... whoops my bad, n say what? i think kirilenko has played way better than parker... we al ave different opinions. Steve Nash is english he played for manchester ... his mums canadian n he whent to college in canada, at least thats what i always thought

[Sword.Dragons]

Steve Nash is Canadian !

He was born : February 7, 1974 Johannesburg, South Africa....but grew up in CA

Lol you can't claim him as your own if he was born in South Africa.. even if he does have citizenship it should still always say that hes from South Africa.

[DaveM123]

Lol you can't claim him as your own if he was born in South Africa.. even if he does have citizenship it should still always say that hes from South Africa.


Nobody is claiming him as their own. He himself will tell you he is a proud Canadian, and does so in every interview you see. He has no ties whatsover with South Africa. He has lived pretty much his entire life in Western Canada and plays internationally for Canada along with running countless basketball camps to promote basketball within Canada.

[laker4life]

I guess it should be "top 10 international players"? :cheers:

[Chalkmaze]

I guess it should be "top 10 international players"? :cheers:

Yeah, because Russia isn't Europe either.

[Chalkmaze]

oh.. and to name a couple others

Gordan Giricek
Sasha Pavlovic

[Sword.Dragons]

Yeah, because Russia isn't Europe either.

Is that sarcastic? If not, you're wrong. Russia is in Europe.

[pj24lal]

I guess it should be "top 10 international players"? :cheers:

Well if its top ten international i'd say:

1. steve nash
2. tony parker
3. luol deng
4. mehmet okur
5. manu ginobli
6. ben gordon
7. andrei kirilenko
8. andres nocioni
9. boris diaw
10. leandro barbosa

[laker4life]

Is that sarcastic? If not, you're wrong. Russia is in Europe.
maybe I've been frozen for a few hundred years or so, but Russia does not belong to Europe for as far as I know...

[OlDeRaDo_64]

Russia is in Europe, well half of it, the rest is in Asia... if u dun believe me Russia is in the EU

[Big Rook]

Russia is in Europe....ALL OF IT. You are either in or you are out. Find me another state/country that is part of two continents.:confusedshrug: Russia has been part of Europe for hundreds of years.....maybe you have been frozen for thousands of years?:sleeping However, they are not an actual member of the EU.

Top Ten Int'l players (current)

1/ Steve Nash
2/ Dirk Nowitzki
3/ Tony Parker
4/ Pau Gasol
5/ Boris Diaw
6/ Andres Nocioni
7/ Leandro Barbosa
8/ Mickael Peitrious
9/ Jose Calderon
10/ "Il Mago" a.k.a. Andrea Bargnani

[Chalkmaze]

Russia is in Europe....ALL OF IT. You are either in or you are out. Find me another state/country that is part of two continents.:confusedshrug: Russia has been part of Europe for hundreds of years.....maybe you have been frozen for thousands of years?:sleeping However, they are not an actual member of the EU.


You're wrong.

European Continent

Europe is geologically and geographically a peninsula or subcontinent, forming the westernmost part of Eurasia. Europe is conventionally considered a continent; this is more of a cultural distinction than a geographic one. Europe is bounded to the north by the Arctic Ocean, to the west by the Atlantic Ocean, to the south by the Mediterranean Sea, and to the east its boundary is culturally determined and unclear.

However, the Ural mountains are considered by some to be a geographical and tectonic landmark separating Europe and Asia.

So
When considered a continent, Europe is the world's second-smallest continent in terms of area, with an area of 10,600,000 km

[Big Rook]

Yeah, because Russia isn't Europe either.


Dude you are calling me wrong. Russia politically is a European country. Not Eurasian..... European.

Every Russian person I know considers themselves European........not Eurasian. Don't believe me contact the Kremlin and tell them that Russia should get the word out they are part of Asia, b/c we all know that would fly and increase the chance that Russia would accede into the EU.

You can't try to become a member of the European Union if you are not European.

Only thing I was "wrong" about was the continent/sub continent stuff.

Bargnani is way better than Okur that is why I left Okur off.

[Chalkmaze]

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/2135/atlasil1.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Russia- the Russian Federation is a country that stretches over a vast expanse of Asia and Europe.

http://ec.europa.eu/comm/external_relations/russia/intro/index.htm

Russia is an important partner with which there is considerable interest to engage and build a strategic partnership. Russia is the EU’s largest neighbor, brought even closer to the EU by the 2004 enlargement.

The EU’s main objective is to engage with Russia to build a genuine strategic partnership, founded on common interests and shared values to which both sides are committed in the relevant international organisations such as the UN, Council of Europe, and OSCE, as well as with each other in the bilateral Partnership and Cooperation Agreement

The EU has a strong and genuine interest to work together with Russia to foster political, social and economic stability in Russia, in the region and worldwide. The EU and Russia are already cooperating on a wide range of issues, including the modernisation of Russia’s economy and its integration into the world economy, security issues, international issues, as well as "soft" security threats for example in the fields of justice and home affairs, environment and nuclear safety

The formalisation of bilateral relations between the EU and individual partner countries has been achieved through the negotiation of Partnership and Co-operation Agreements (PCAs), now in force with ten of the Eastern European and Central Asian countries.

[Chalkmaze]

Bargnani is way better than Okur that is why I left Okur off.


HAHAHA... MAYBE one day... you are just a Raptors homer though, obviously.


Okur's stats this year PPG
17.9
RPG
7.30
APG
2.0
EFF
+ 18.09


Couple of your guys on the list are quite a ways off stat-wise.. Not to mention that Okur is probably the most clutch guy in the league right now.

[The Italian]

Bargnani is way better than Okur that is why I left Okur off.


How is Bargnani bette then Okur? Okur is an all star, Bargnani isn't close to that level yet.

[Big Rook]

Please...........CHALKMAZE stop with the education....I have a university degree.....and I majored in politics.

You probably went online and started to research everything about the EU, Russia and Asia when YOU stated that "Russia isn't Europe either." Yah you are right......if it's all the same............Italy isn't Europe either and neither is Germany. Thanks Tips.......no one knew that.

Great cutting and pasting, you proved nothing.
I would also like to thank you for informing me about the EU and Russia's strong political, economic and social ties. This statement amounts to little more than political rhetoric i.e) the U.S wants to foster strong political, economic and social ties with IRAQ. It is prudent for most diplomatic countries, polities etc., or those posing as ones like the U.S., to try and create these ties. At the very least it looks good in the newspaper, or on CNN(Chicken Noodle News). What is your point.........are you trying to tell me that because they have ties and agreements in place Russia is a member of the EU? If you are...you are wrong. Russia has not fulfilled the Copenhagen criteria and is therefore not a member state.

And back to my whole point originally about geography and politics and what constitutes what is European, Asia, Eurasia. Politics, culture and history trump geography when it comes down to an identity of a state. An a perfect example of this is Cyprus, which i might add is a member state of the EU.
Various definitions of Europe exist so that whether a country is "European" is "subject to political assessment." There has been some debate about this in the case of Cyprus - the island is geographically Asian; but extensive historical, cultural, and political ties to other European countries lead most to consider it as a European country in non-geographical contexts.

You want a lesson in cutting and pasting.........here you go. There has been much controversy about whether Turkey is a European country, on the basis that only 3% of its territory lies in geographic Europe (west of Istanbul). Some observers have reflected that the perceived reluctance of many existing member states to proceed with the accession of Turkey to the EU is based on doubts over whether a country with more than 90% Muslim population can follow what many perceive to be the Christian basis of a "European" identity. There are also many other economic and political arguments that have been posed against Turkish membership, and although the EU formally started accession negotiations with Ankara in 2005, it is uncertain whether these talks will ever lead to full membership. GOOD CUTTING AND PASTING. Did you get the point.... Turkey's geography is not the issue in becoming a memebr state of the EU so much as it's cultural or religious difference i.e) high muslim poulation

WHO's THE HOMER NOW HOMER Do not try and get smart with a smart ass.

Hopefully, CHALKMAZE you will stop trying to educate me with your cutting and pasting and if you are going to cut and paste atleast prove a point.

TO EVERYONE ELSE on here I apologize for taking up so much space, but I did not appreciate CHALKMAZE and his personal attack on me, nor his thoughtless cutting and pasting

Okur maybe is better statistically this season, but he is not a better player than Bargnani and the stats will show that next season Bargnani has improved in most categories the past 20 games or so and will only get better and quicker b/c he will shed himself of some weight from his appendix.

[Chalkmaze]

Personal attacks? Because I disagreed with you?:rollingeyes: You've even agreed that you were at least wrong to an extent after I corrected you. Give me a ****ing break dude. You think because you have some Mickey Mouse degree that it somehow makes you Mr. Know It All end of discussion? All it seems to have done is bloated your ego and taught you how to talk out of your ass like a politician. I've reread the posts, and there was a little miscommunication on both of our parts I was just trying to clarify a few things and see where you were coming from. ****it though, you're not even worth my time and I hope we never run across each others paths again, may your time on Earth be short.

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http://worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/asia/ru.htm

The Russian landmass west of the Ural Mountains (shown above in a slightly darker shade of green) is referred to as European Russia by most educational atlases and geography experts. It is not a separate country, but rather called that because of its political, cultural and geographical blendings with Europe.

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/6328/europe2db4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/7550/europe1fv0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Big Rook]

Dude you said I was wrong, you called me a homer, when does it become personal?......the fact that you keep posting these maps shows me that obviously my point is lost on you. There is room for interpretation on this issue and the points you made and referenced speak of that.
Europe is bounded to the north by the Arctic Ocean, to the west by the Atlantic Ocean, to the south by the Mediterranean Sea, and to the east its boundary is culturally determined and unclear.

However, the Ural mountains are considered by some to be a geographical and tectonic landmark separating Europe and Asia.
Various definitions of Europe exist so that whether a country is "European" is "subject to political assessment." There has been some debate about this in the case of Cyprus - the island is geographically Asian; but extensive historical, cultural, and political ties to other European countries lead most to consider it as a European country in non-geographical contexts.

You call me a "know it all" but yet I admitted that I was mistaken on some points. When I mentioned that Russia was not a member of the EU and never would become a member if it were not a European country, you grabbed a blurb off an EU website to presumably try and prove me wrong.

The bottom line is there is room for interpretation, something you do not seem to acknowledge. My interpretation is not the same as yours, just as you will find people east of the Ural mountains who may consider themselves European as opposed to Eurasian or Asian and vice versa. It's all relative.

But I am optimistic and hopeful that these educational atlases and geography experts that you so regulary reference can put an end to the "disagreements" that occur daily among Israeli and Palestinian people. These experts can just google a map of the land they are fighting over and tell them "look at the map." Peace will undoubtedly prevail. If only it were that easy.

May you live a long and happy life.:rockon:

[tigas]

I guess it should be "top 10 international players"? :cheers:

If thats the case, I would Yao Ming in my line up.
1. Yao Ming (China)
2. Tony Parker (France)
3. Pau Gasol (Spain)
4. Dirk Nowitzki (Germany)
5. Steve Nash ( Canada)
6. Manu Ginobili ( Argentina)
7. Boris Diaw ( France)
8. Leandro Barbosa ( Brasil)
9. Scortsinitis ( Greece) [Just knew him at the WBC, who defeated USA] played center
10. Sarunas Jasikevicius (Lithuania)

Alternates:
11. Kleiza ( Lithuania and Denver Nuggets)
12. Peja Stojakovic ( Yugoslavia)
13. Andrei Kirilenko ( Russia)
14. Jorge Garbajosa ( Spain)
15. Andres Nocioni ( Argentina)
16. Papalucas (Greece) [Just knew him at the WBC, who defeated USA] played point guard

Men, there are a lot of great players out there. It's kinda tough to choose who are the best. Well, this is my complete line up.

[skan72]

If thats the case, I would Yao Ming in my line up.
1. Yao Ming (China)
2. Tony Parker (France)
3. Pau Gasol (Spain)
4. Dirk Nowitzki (Germany)
5. Steve Nash ( Canada)
6. Manu Ginobili ( Argentina)
7. Boris Diaw ( France)
8. Leandro Barbosa ( Brasil)
9. Scortsinitis ( Greece) [Just knew him at the WBC, who defeated USA] played center
10. Sarunas Jasikevicius (Lithuania)

Alternates:
11. Kleiza ( Lithuania and Denver Nuggets)
12. Peja Stojakovic ( Yugoslavia)
13. Andrei Kirilenko ( Russia)
14. Jorge Garbajosa ( Spain)
15. Andres Nocioni ( Argentina)
16. Papalucas (Greece) [Just knew him at the WBC, who defeated USA] played point guard

Men, there are a lot of great players out there. It's kinda tough to choose who are the best. Well, this is my complete line up.
Nash better than Gasol and Parker.

[skan72]

Dude you said I was wrong, you called me a homer, when does it become personal?......the fact that you keep posting these maps shows me that obviously my point is lost on you. There is room for interpretation on this issue and the points you made and referenced speak of that.

Various definitions of Europe exist so that whether a country is "European" is "subject to political assessment." There has been some debate about this in the case of Cyprus - the island is geographically Asian; but extensive historical, cultural, and political ties to other European countries lead most to consider it as a European country in non-geographical contexts.

You call me a "know it all" but yet I admitted that I was mistaken on some points. When I mentioned that Russia was not a member of the EU and never would become a member if it were not a European country, you grabbed a blurb off an EU website to presumably try and prove me wrong.

The bottom line is there is room for interpretation, something you do not seem to acknowledge. My interpretation is not the same as yours, just as you will find people east of the Ural mountains who may consider themselves European as opposed to Eurasian or Asian and vice versa. It's all relative.

But I am optimistic and hopeful that these educational atlases and geography experts that you so regulary reference can put an end to the "disagreements" that occur daily among Israeli and Palestinian people. These experts can just google a map of the land they are fighting over and tell them "look at the map." Peace will undoubtedly prevail. If only it were that easy.

May you live a long and happy life.:rockon:

Lol, there is European Russia and Asian Russia, they are part of the EU because part of their country is considered Europe.

[tigas]

Oh yeah, I forgot. Thanks for reminding me skan72. Today, Steve Nash is the best point guard in the world. I think I'll rank him behind Magic Johnson, Isiah Thomas and John Stockton.

[gaydad]

So parts of Russia are in it, but the majority is in Asia (Russian Federation)Russia is completely in Europe; the russian Empire (a.k.a. Russian Federation) extends largely in Asia, but that is comprised of different ethnics than Russians. Besides, I believe the majority of the Russian Federation's population resides in Europe, desert acres of tundra count for nothing in this regard...

[simasu01]

no russia is NOT in europe. neither is turkey. and turkey might become a part of eu for no reason. just about everyone who lives in europe and had business with russians hates russians so they will never have a chance to be a part of eu because there is plenty of countriesw in europe that arent in eu such as norway and switzerland. if russia is in europe then why isnt china? parts of russia are farther east then china right? morocco should be europe as well because its right under spain so dont even bull**** about russia being in europe and the top 15 true Euro players is

1. Dirk Nowitzki
2. Tony Parker
3. Pau Gasol
4. Luol Deng - Grew up in England has an English passport
5. Andrea Bargnani
6. Ben Gordon - born in London
7. Boris Diaw
8. Sarunas Jasikevicius
9. Jose Calderon
10. Rudy Fernandez
11. Marco Belinelli
12. Mickael Pietrus
13. Peja Stojakovic - would have him higher but he needs to get out of the wheelchair and start playing again
14. Andris Biedrins
15. Jorge Garbajosa

honorable: Linas Kleiza, Sergio Rodriguez, Marc Gasol, Petteri Koponen, Francisco Elson, Rasho Nesterovic
Kobe should also be considered here because he grew up in Italy
many more will come in such as Fran Vasquez, Juan Carlos Navarro, hopefully Florent Pietrus, some players from Lithuania and Latvia. Also some greeks and more Spaniards as well as some guys from France and former Yugo lands

[snipes12]

How about M.r US virgin island Tim Duncan ?

[simasu01]

how about virgin islands arent in europe

[snipes12]

how about virgin islands arent in europe
sori men never thought that their is a sudden change in the topic from european to international players

[Kiddlovesnets]

Steve Nash as an English? Funny isn't it?

[theodip12]

watch our for rudy fernandez. he's good.

[Targus]

wtf...WTF..!!! peja stojakovic not on that list?!?!? W...T...F :wtf:

[Good Old Willy]

Chalkmaze - STOP.

No more pictures. No more comments about Russia.

Your screaming we do not want to hear. Pathetic graphics and minimalist historical perspective is not useful. The geopolitical discussion of the Russia and other periphery European states were a talking points in the 17th and 18th centuries, not now.

Stick to commenting on basketball. And please remember, that some of the posters here have much knowledge to share, which would be beneficial to listen to, rather than argue with.

[OlDeRaDo_64]

Yish, i refret ever starting this darn thread, only got complaining... wanted to see what other people thought the top 10 europea players were thats all, instead i get complaints and history lessons...

[OlDeRaDo_64]

Why did people start arguing anyway, the part of russia AK-47 came from is European hence the reason why he is in the 'European top 10'. And as far as i know Nash played for Manchester and one of his Birth parents is English, thats what ive been told. Complain all u want i dun care... this thread has been ruined by Big Headed Degree holders and historians who cannot stand down. END OF!!

[sick_brah07]

man who cares if russia is from europe or asia or both jus pretend he ment international best and thank god some1 mentioned peja stojakovic....any1 heard of ricky rubio?

[papaloukas69]

He is the best

http://www.sportarena.gr/images/2041601688NFPapa4_b_s.jpg

www.sportarena.gr

[berraco]

Ok, after all that interesting political discussion I'll put my list:

Top ten international players:
1) Yao (CN)
2) Nash (CA)
3) Gasol (SP)
4) Nowitzki (GE)
5) Parker (FR)
6) Papaloukas (GR)
7) Ginobili (AR)
8) Deng (UK)
9) Okur (TU)
10) Navarro (SP)

[simasu01]

i know you just didnt put yao first and papaloukas in front of manu.

[simasu01]

man who cares if russia is from europe or asia or both jus pretend he ment international best and thank god some1 mentioned peja stojakovic....any1 heard of ricky rubio?

i mentioned peja on mine but like i said he needs to play again to be on the list

ricky rubio is still raw in a couple years hes gonna be on top 10 possibly 5

[FCardelle]

Russia is in Europe politically. It plays the European Championships. Geographically, most of its territory is in Asia. (There are a chain of mountains between Europe and Asia) Russia is not in the EU at all.

top ten European players
1.Dirk Nowitzki
2.Pau Gasol
3.Luol Deng
4.Bargnani
5.Tony Parker
6.Kirilenko
7.Jose Calderon
8.Stojakovic
9.Okur
10.Garbajosa


By the way, I don't understand why you use the expressi

[berraco]

i know you just didnt put yao first and papaloukas in front of manu.
Yao is my first because he is the most dominating guy by far, the most difficult to defend and a good defender. He always makes the difference.

Regarding Papaloukas and Ginobili, I had a doubt there. Stats are similar for both (in a 40min comparison) but Papaloukas plays more, let's say, elegantly. The final choice was more esthetic 'cos I see them very close. May be a silly argument, but that's how it came to my mind. :hammerhead:

[simasu01]

[QUOTE=berraco]Yao is my first because he is the most dominating guy by far, the most difficult to defend and a good defender. He always makes the difference.
QUOTE]

Papaloukas isnt as athletic so i think ginobili has an advantage there but rest is similar.

Yao is definetly NOT a big difference maker. yes he is the reason china is in top 15 of the world but without him, the rockets were absolutely unstopable plus they wanna play a faster style so he will be even slower and the guy isnt really athletic sort of like a bigger ilgauskas or roy hibbert from georgetown, except hibbert doesnt have that many offensive skills

[berraco]

without him, the rockets were absolutely unstopable
Unstopable? I haven't seen an unstopable Rockets since the mid-90s.

[simasu01]

Unstopable? I haven't seen an unstopable Rockets since the mid-90s.

but you still call yao a huge difference maker

[berraco]

but you still call yao a huge difference maker

For me he still is a difference maker (words "big" and "huge" are from you, not mine). I see Yao like Shaq was (for me the prime Shaq is better player, a real huge difference maker, but he is the best for the comparison). Put him in a normal roster, and they will be making playoffs. Put him in a good team, and you can see them making conference finals, even in the West we have today.

[simasu01]

Put him in a normal roster, and they will be making playoffs. Put him in a good team, and you can see them making conference finals, even in the West we have today.

ok so if he is such a difference maker then he shouldnt need such a great roster plus he has tmac battier scola and a bunch of average point guards plus a ok bench but their still not going past the first round:confusedshrug:

[berraco]

ok so if he is such a difference maker then he shouldnt need such a great roster plus he has tmac battier scola and a bunch of average point guards plus a ok bench but their still not going past the first round:confusedshrug:

I think they can make it this year if they are not affected by many injuries, but we will see. Hope I won't have to swallow my words... :)

[simasu01]

i dont have a problem with them winning but i think yao should be a beast not getting blocked by little 5 foot dudes. besides that i think hes not a bad player he just sucks compared to how he should play. he should be like a shaq on offense but hes too soft, and mutombo on defense even better because yao is a half foot taller then the guy who plays behind him.

[VCMVP1551]

1.Dirk Nowitzki
2.Tony Parker
3.Pau Gasol
4.Boris Diaw
5.Andrei Kirilenko
6.Peja Stojakovic
7.Nenad Krstic
8.Mehmet Okur
9.Andrea Bargnani
10.Zydrunas Ilgauskas

[Mboglee]

Russia is in Europe....ALL OF IT. You are either in or you are out. Find me another state/country that is part of two continents.:confusedshrug: Russia has been part of Europe for hundreds of years.....maybe you have been frozen for thousands of years?:sleeping However, they are not an actual member of the EU.

Top Ten Int'l players (current)

1/ Steve Nash
2/ Dirk Nowitzki
3/ Tony Parker
4/ Pau Gasol
5/ Boris Diaw
6/ Andres Nocioni
7/ Leandro Barbosa
8/ Mickael Peitrious
9/ Jose Calderon
10/ "Il Mago" a.k.a. Andrea Bargnani




ummm...#10 is D best...hahaha:rockon: :rockon: :rockon:

[otmtheshank]

Top Ten Europeans playing in the NBA

1.Dirk Nowitzki
2.Pau Gasol
3.Luol Deng
4.Andrei Kirilenko
5.Tony Parker
6.Ben Gordon
7.Mehmet Okur
8.Andris Biedrins
9.Jose Calderon
10.Andrea Bargnani
11.Boris Diaw

That's assuming AK plays like his former self, and the younger guys on the list continue to improve.

[baby_jordan_23]

1- Dirk Nowitzki
2- Pau Gasol
3- Tony Parker
4- Andrei Kirlenko
5- Mehmet Okur
6- Zydrunas Ilgauskas
7- Boris Diaw
8- Andrea Bargnani
9- Peja Stojakovic
10- Hedo Turkoglu

[la bomba]

as the title states top ten European I'll stick to that.Nash is not english and has never played for manchester.Manchester don't even have a team.
1.Nowitzki
2.Gasol
3.Papaloukas(without a doubt best player outside NBA)
4.Navarro
5.parker
6.Bargnani
7.Calderon
8.Ilgauskas
9.Nicola Vuijcic
10.Rudy Fernandez/Garbajosa?stojakovic.Matjaz Smodis(probably should be higher)

[KaptnKirk12]

1. Steve Nash
2. Dirk Nowitzki
3. Tony Parker
4. Luol Deng
5. Ben Gordon
6. Pau Gasol
7. Manu Ginobli
8. AK47
9. Boris Diaw
10. Andres Nocioni

[la bomba]

1. Steve Nash
2. Dirk Nowitzki
3. Tony Parker
4. Luol Deng
5. Ben Gordon
6. Pau Gasol
7. Manu Ginobli
8. AK47
9. Boris Diaw
10. Andres Nocioni
All of them play in the nba,do you watch european basketball?some aren't even european,Nash,Ginobili,Noccioni,Gordon?(born in London and great britain have convinced him to play for them to try qualify for olympics,but its debateable to call him european,i ams ure he count with the fingers of one hand the times he has been there.May I remind you that not all europeans want to play in the nba,Bodiroga one of the best players of the last 15 years never did and never wanted to.

[simasu01]

absolutely right. if a player is white doesnt mean hes from europe

[pj24lal]

This thread took a turn though where it became top10 international players a while back. :confusedshrug: whatever

[pegasus]

[QUOTE=Big Rook]Russia is in Europe....ALL OF IT. You are either in or you are out. Find me another state/country that is part of two continents.:confusedshrug: Russia has been part of Europe for hundreds of years.....maybe you have been frozen for thousands of years?:sleeping However, they are not an actual member of the EU.

How about Turkey?? :D

[breskone]

Well if its top ten international i'd say:

1. steve nash
2. tony parker
3. luol deng
4. mehmet okur
5. manu ginobli
6. ben gordon
7. andrei kirilenko
8. andres nocioni
9. boris diaw
10. leandro barbosa

how can you leave Pau Gasol out of that list?

[simasu01]

and how did you leave dirk nowitzki out.

[la bomba]

how can you leave Pau Gasol out of that list?
Plus ben gordon shouldn't qualify as international!only cause he was born in london,he left super early he doesn't know london.He his formation is totally like any other american player.

[pj24lal]

Plus ben gordon shouldn't qualify as international!only cause he was born in london,he left super early he doesn't know london.He his formation is totally like any other american player.

Well i drew up that list a while ago and I can see al faults in it now... but aside from that, as far as I know Ben Gordon has a British passport..

[la bomba]

the other thing i find from this threadis that players seem to have to play in the nba to be considered for this list.
Which shows a total lack of awareness of the euroleague.Bodiroga now retired never played in the NBA,yet he was one of the best european players ever .Currently I would say Smodis,Vujcic,Lakovic,Papaloukas and a few others are better than a lot of europeans in the NBA.

[jamal99]

Anyone mentioned Peja Stojakovic, Sasha Pavlovic, Nenad Krstic, Marko Jaric, Vladimir Radmanovic (all from Serbia)...?
Tim Duncan isn't American (Virgin Islands).
Yao Ming (China)...
Luol Deng isn't American (English).
Andrew Bogut (Australia/Croatia).
Andrea Bargnani (Italy).

[jamal99]

I forgot many good players who play in Europe like Papaloukas, Diamantidis, Pekovic, Vujcic, Rakocevic, Jasikevicius, Macijauskas...

[stax]

maybe not the best european player but certainly one of the most exciting (and not mentioned in this thread til now), boki nachbar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B29TMNP37OY

also jose calderon is on fire this season. he has the best assist to turnover ratio in the NBA

[la bomba]

maybe not the best european player but certainly one of the most exciting (and not mentioned in this thread til now), boki nachbar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B29TMNP37OY

also jose calderon is on fire this season. he has the best assist to turnover ratio in the NBA
nachbar is superb but why didn't he play for slovenia in the eurobasket?I still think becirovic,lakovic and smodis are ahead of him as far as slovenian plaers are concerned.

[Taras Bulba]

Top 10 of EUROPEANS IMO

1. Nowitzki
2. Gasol
3. Siskauskas
4. Diamantidis
5. Kirienko
6. Turkoglu
7. Parker
8. Fernandez
9. Biedrins
10. Pekovic

[utahjazzrock]

8.Vladmir Radmanovic ,Serbia
9.Mickael Peitrious ,France
10.Ronnie Turiaf , France (Boy he can dance :rockon: )

I hope you post to this with your opinion[/QUOTE]

I dont consider Nash European. I consider him Canadien so he wont make my list.
So...
1. Dirk Nowitski
2. Pau Gausol
3. Tony Parker
4. Hedo Turkoglu
5. Mehmet Okur
6. Boris Diaw
7. Andrei Kirilenko
8. Vladamir Radmonavic
9. Marc Gausol
10. Rudy Fernandez

[kohsterized41]

Hey check out my blog about trying to become a pro basketball player overseas. I think you will like it! http://kohsterized.blogspot.com

[JJ81]

I was wonderin who was in eeryones top ten for Europe... mine is
1.Steve Nash ,England
2.Dirk Nowitzki ,Germany
3.Andrei Kirilenko ,Russia
4.Pau Gasol ,Spain
5.Boris Diaw ,France
6.Tony Parker ,France
7.Hedo Turkoglo ,Turkey
8.Vladmir Radmanovic ,Serbia
9.Mickael Peitrious ,France
10.Ronnie Turiaf , France (Boy he can dance :rockon: )

I hope you post to this with your opinion

Diaw should be 7th on that list. Gasol should be 2nd behind Nowitzki. Steve Nash is Canadian, not English.

[huskyfan07]

I was wonderin who was in eeryones top ten for Europe... mine is
1.Steve Nash ,England
2.Dirk Nowitzki ,Germany
3.Andrei Kirilenko ,Russia
4.Pau Gasol ,Spain
5.Boris Diaw ,France
6.Tony Parker ,France
7.Hedo Turkoglo ,Turkey
8.Vladmir Radmanovic ,Serbia
9.Mickael Peitrious ,France
10.Ronnie Turiaf , France (Boy he can dance :rockon: )

I hope you post to this with your opinion
Where do you think Ricky Rubio will be on this list in about five years??

Just found a great article on the kid...

http://www.aarontorres-sports.com/?p=636

[Grinder]

Dirk Nowitzki
Pau Gasol
Tony Parker
Hedo Turkoglu
Mehmet Okur
Andrei Kirilenko
Ramunas Siskauskas
Jose Calderon
Andris Biedrins
Andrea Bargnani

[HRBlock]

Russia is in Europe....ALL OF IT. You are either in or you are out. Find me another state/country that is part of two continents.:confusedshrug: Russia has been part of Europe for hundreds of years.....maybe you have been frozen for thousands of years?:sleeping However, they are not an actual member of the EU.

Top Ten Int'l players (current)

1/ Steve Nash
2/ Dirk Nowitzki
3/ Tony Parker
4/ Pau Gasol
5/ Boris Diaw
6/ Andres Nocioni
7/ Leandro Barbosa
8/ Mickael Peitrious
9/ Jose Calderon
10/ "Il Mago" a.k.a. Andrea Bargnani


Great , but are we forgetting the Aussie?:hammertime: :hammertime: