Is T-Mac the biggest NBA failure in the history of the league?

[Ne 1]

McGrady had all the tools, (length, height, athleticism, skills) to be one of the greatest players in NBA history, he should have dominated the NBA, yet his career is one of the biggest laughing stocks we have ever seen.


- The man went H.A.M. for one season in his entire career (2002-2003)
- Never got out of 1st round (7 or 8 times in a row he lost in 1st round)
- At one point he was playing with the best center in game (Yao), best defender in game (Shane Battier) and even had Artest, Scola and Rafer Alston and he still couldn't get them anywhere.
- It's like he was made of glass, just so weak, so soft , got injured once a month it seemed like.
- Began progressively and sharply declining after 2004-2005, his FG% is in low 40% his whole career. His fall off was even more pathetic than Iverson's.

He was my 2nd favorite player in 2003, and even in 2005 but the man just became the laughing stock of the NBA and fell from top 5 to not mentioned at all after '05.

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[tazb]

Melo sorta has the same career (so far) though.

[willds09]

McGrady had all the tools, (length, height, athleticism, skills) to be one of the greatest players in NBA history, he should have dominated the NBA, yet his career is one of the biggest laughing stocks we have ever seen.


- The man went H.A.M. for one season in his entire career (2002-2003)
- Never got out of 1st round (7 or 8 times in a row he lost in 1st round)
- At one point he was playing with the best center in game (Yao), best defender in game (Shane Battier) and even had Artest, Scola and Rafer Alston and he still couldn't get them anywhere.
- It's like he was made of glass, just so weak, so soft , got injured once a month it seemed like.
- Began progressively and sharply declining after 2004-2005, his FG% is in low 40% his whole career. His fall off was even more pathetic than Iverson's.

He was my 2nd favorite player in 2003, and even in 2005 but the man just became the laughing stock of the NBA and fell from top 5 to not mentioned at all after '05.

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come on man leave tmac alone:lol

[SilkkTheShocker]

By far the biggest failure in NBA history. He is going to be one of those guys that gets overrated after retirement. But the truth is he was always a heartless player. People can pull the injury excuses out (and they are legit) but the guy never had the fire to take his teams far. He wasn't a leader by any means.

[keepinitreal]

Injuries

[The_Yearning]

Melo sorta has the same career (so far) though.

Most likely will end that way too.

[willds09]

Melo sorta has the same career (so far) though.
:crazysam: :eek: melo went to round 3 didnt he????????????????

[willds09]

Most likely will end that way too.
u whish:lol spring 13 baby!!!:djparty

[StroShow4]

The man scored nearly 20,000 points, averaged 32/5/6 for a season, and made $163 million. **** no he is not the "biggest failure in the history of the league." That is absurd.

[Solid Snake]

Derrick Coleman.

[tmacattack33]

He actually reached a peak that he was never projected to reach.

He was supposed to be Vince Carter's sidekick.

He then moved to another team and within a year proved that he was actually a better first option than Vince could ever have been.

Then he got hurt.

:confusedshrug:

[Noyze]

By far the biggest failure in NBA history. He is going to be one of those guys that gets overrated after retirement. But the truth is he was always a heartless player. People can pull the injury excuses out (and they are legit) but the guy never had the fire to take his teams far. He wasn't a leader by any means.

This.

Look, this dude had more Talent then any wing I ever saw, but he had no heart. I remember him crying in Slam magazine every year from 2002-2008 about how he needed more players, his injuries, or how Kobe only has rings cause he played with Shaq.

Dude will get overrated like Shawn Kemp. You wanna remember the greatness till someone reminds you of how many times he fouled out of important games down the stretch cause he just wasn't a very smart player.

[ScarSymmetry]

The man scored nearly 20,000 points, averaged 32/5/6 for a season, and made $163 million. **** no he is not the "biggest failure in the history of the league." That is absurd.
He underachieved but this statement is so true.

[WeGetRing2012]

:crazysam: :eek: melo went to round 3 didnt he????????????????

And 2 gold medals.

[DMV2]

He's also had some series of bad luck in his career. Obviously his back injury issues were well-documented as well as his teammate, Yao, injuries.

But his bad luck dated back to Orlando days.

During his last season in a Magic uniform, Orlando started off the season like 2-20 or something like that and they ended up with the #1 pick. They drafted Dwight Howard.

Orlando's first season with DH12 went 36-46. Imagine if T-Mac was still on the team.

Also, in the 2003 first round playoff, Orlando had a 3-1 series vs Detroit and in a post-game interview McGrady said something like this, "It'll feel good to finally have a chance to get out of the 1st Round." (not exact words, but it's along that line). Got too damn cocky.

[Real Men Wear Green]

The man scored nearly 20,000 points, averaged 32/5/6 for a season, and made $163 million. **** no he is not the "biggest failure in the history of the league." That is absurd.
Not to mention the NBA has seen several careers like Kwame Brown's. But i don't know if a thread like this is supposed to have anything like real perspective.

[Sharmer]

The man scored nearly 20,000 points, averaged 32/5/6 for a season, and made $163 million. **** no he is not the "biggest failure in the history of the league." That is absurd.



Whilst not getting out of the 1st round, did average 27 PPG in the Playoffs which is above season average.

Most ludicrous thread.

[SyRyanYang]

All posters in this thread (including myself) combined don't have half of the success he had.

[ripthekik]

Well, He's not that different from Lebron, except he didn't go join 2 other all stars.

[JerryWest]

He'll be remembered by us fans as not a huge winner but a great player in his prime. Respect.

[kNicKz]

The man scored nearly 20,000 points, averaged 32/5/6 for a season, and made $163 million. **** no he is not the "biggest failure in the history of the league." That is absurd.

On ISH if you're not Kobe, Lebron, Jordan, or Shaq you're a failure :roll:

His prime wasn't the longest but he was arguably the best player in the league at one point in time. (If not best top 2-3). If being the best player in the NBA makes you a failure, I wish I was a failure

$163 Million...OP works at McDonalds

[Teanett]

t-mac's a multiple all-star...:facepalm
i'd say darius miles is a failure.

[CLTHornets4eva]

On ISH if you're not Kobe, Lebron, Jordan, or Shaq you're a failure :roll:

His prime wasn't the longest but he was arguably the best player in the league at one point in time. (If not best top 2-3). If being the best player in the NBA makes you a failure, I wish I was a failure

$163 Million...OP works at McDonalds

Seriously. Why wouldn't Darko, Olowokandi, Kwame, Adam Morrison enter conversation?

TMac was a 7 time all star and 5 time first or second team NBA member.

GTFO, not a failure at all.

[Brokenbeat]

All posters in this thread (including myself) combined don't have half of the success he had.


Depends how you measure it. Imo, the dude that runs this website has been more successful (in his field), than T-Mac was in basketball. Money doesn't equate to success. It just means that some sucker might've thought you were worth more than you actually were. It's the result that dictates whether or not you were/are successful (regardless of pay).

[MiseryCityTexas]

Tracy Mclazy was basically the second coming of Penny Hardaway of the early to mid 2000s.

[RRR3]

Still better than Kobe.

[Ne 1]

Still better than Kobe.

Lol No.

Kobe's legacy compared to T-Mac's:
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vs

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/drawlz600/tmac2ndcopy.jpg

[HardwoodLegend]

Korleone Young, Darius Miles and Jonathan Bender.

They all coulda been contenders. They all coulda been somebodies.

[StroShow4]

Even Darius Miles is out of the discussion for biggest failure. Absolute biggest failure has to be reserved for a player whose terrible decisions cut his career extremely short and maybe even effected others. For instance, Javaris Crittenton getting drafted 19th overall and then being out of the league about two years later because he played with guns in the locker room. Then, while out of the league, he caught a murder charge. Talk about an epic fail.

Mike Sweetney was drafted 9th overall and was out of the league in four years because he let himself balloon to about 400 pounds. There's another epic fail for you.

[RRR3]

:mad:
Still better than Kobe.

[Greg Oden 50]

HE is a born loser,he couldn't even dominant in CBA :facepalm

[elementally morale]

Still better than Kobe.

Very smart of you to repeat it, as if we wouldn't have laughed hard enough the first time due to us not having read your witty remark. :applause:

[HardwoodLegend]

HE is a born loser,he couldn't even dominant in CBA :facepalm

Word. He's a 2x All-NBA 1st Teamer and couldn't even MAKE the Playoffs in China, let alone pass the 1st round. Horrible.

[Y2Gezee]

You people just love to listen to the media narrative, right?

Unluckiest player in NBA history maybe. Everybody wants to find the biggest star on a team, and either give them all the credit or all of the blame.

In the NBA playoffs, the best team with the best matchups win those series at an incredible rate. It was amazing that Tmac himself really even got the Magic to the playoffs some of those times, and certainly deserves praise for his series vs Detroit even pushing it that far.

The beloved KG had the same tag next to his name until he got help with Spre and Cassell. Went right back in that direction the year after when those 3 got broken up. And would've been worst if he didn't get pushed off to Boston.

You don't win in the NBA alone people. Just doesn't happen. When Magic and Bird were winning there's (as the narrative suggests), they were winning them with basically all star teams around them.

People take this streak with the Heat and use it to say Lebron is the best ever. He arguably has the best 2nd and 3rd options ever, put him in Charlotte today and see how the narrative changes. Whereas the Heat would still be one of the best teams in the league, even if they didn't have a replacement.

People talk about the actual NBA and sports in general as if it's a ****ing EA Sports video game.

[RRR3]

Very smart of you to repeat it, as if we wouldn't have laughed hard enough the first time due to us not having read your witty remark. :applause:
Kobe fans are the worst. Still mad that T-Mac used to be compared to Kobe. Sad really.




Y2Gezee :applause:

[BuffaloBill]

Still better than Kobe.




:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:



That was my laugh for the day

[RRR3]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:



That was my laugh for the day
T-Mac career high PPG: 32.1
Kobe: 3.6
:confusedshrug:


Kobe is a career 4.5% shooter, just chucks a lot and gets his 2.5 points a game. Worst player ever tbqh

[BuffaloBill]

T-Mac career high PPG: 32.1
Kobe: 3.6
:confusedshrug:


Kobe is a career 4.5% shooter, just chucks a lot and gets his 2.5 points a game. Worst player ever tbqh


You might be confusing Kobe's career high PPG with T-Mac's PPG average during his last 4 seasons in the NBA



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[dh144498]

Still better than Kobe.

how is this troll in green? Must have those 10 alt accounts to rep himself. :lol

[MiseryCityTexas]

That was crazy how artest and yao made it out the first round when t-mac sat it out due to injury.

[Pointguard]

McGrady had all the tools, (length, height, athleticism, skills) to be one of the greatest players in NBA history, he should have dominated the NBA, yet his career is one of the biggest laughing stocks we have ever seen.


- The man went H.A.M. for one season in his entire career (2002-2003)
- Never got out of 1st round (7 or 8 times in a row he lost in 1st round)
- At one point he was playing with the best center in game (Yao), best defender in game (Shane Battier) and even had Artest, Scola and Rafer Alston and he still couldn't get them anywhere.
- It's like he was made of glass, just so weak, so soft , got injured once a month it seemed like.
- Began progressively and sharply declining after 2004-2005, his FG% is in low 40% his whole career. His fall off was even more pathetic than Iverson's.

He was my 2nd favorite player in 2003, and even in 2005 but the man just became the laughing stock of the NBA and fell from top 5 to not mentioned at all after '05.

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If you were once the top five in anything in the world you can never be considered a failure. If he got hurt, he got hurt. He has nothing to be ashamed of. He played hard and achieved the highest level of play a perimeter player did at that time. If he didn't have the guns to play with him... it is what it is.

Why knock him? He wasn't an underachiever. He came out of nowhere and people were like wow, he's Vince's cousin. So he built himself up and made himself into somebody respected around the world. Nobody can do it by them self in this league and only a very few every get to be a top five player.

[willds09]

Well, He's not that different from Lebron, except he didn't go join 2 other all stars.
:roll: get em

[willds09]

Still better than Kobe.
:biggums:

[elementally morale]

Kobe fans are the worst. Still mad that T-Mac used to be compared to Kobe. Sad really.


If I were you, I'd be running my mouth a lot less, scarface. You seem extremely dumb. Not any better that the stans you despise.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Still better than Kobe.

No he wasn't. Just stop.

[SilkkTheShocker]

That was crazy how artest and yao made it out the first round when t-mac sat it out due to injury.

How was it crazy? Yao was healthy and absolutely shit all over Greg Oden.

[ShaqAttack3234]

T-Mac is no more of a "failure" than Grant Hill who rarely gets that label compared to T-Mac. Both had their primes cut short due to injuries, both played on bad teams for most of their prime and both failed to get out of the 1st round with the exception of Hill doing it once in 2010 as a role player.

T-Mac was drafted out of high school, was a solid player by his 3rd year and starting coming into his own in his 4th year at 21 years old, similar to many players drafted out of high school including Kobe. As everyone knows, Orlando signed Grant Hill the same time they signed T-Mac and their team was supposed to be built around those two, but with Grant Hill unable to play virtually the entire time T-Mac was with Orlando, they not only missed the talent that team desperately needed, but didn't have the cap space to build a good team around T-Mac. To make matters worse, T-Mac was good enough to drag that team to the playoffs and prevent them from getting lottery picks.

He gets to Houston, has a great first year there and for the most part, had a great series leading his 51 win Rockets to a 7th game vs the 58 win Mavs who had finished the season 16-2 under Avery Johnson. T-Mac was easily the best player in the series, and it wasn't even close, but Dallas was deeper.

That was pretty much the end of his prime. Past his prime after age 25 due to injuries. The only season he was at a level close to his prime after that was 2007, and that was a missed opportunity. That was the one series he "should have won." But even that was vs a good Utah team that had match up advantages. Yao couldn't guard Okur because he was a 3 point shooter, and ended up guarding Boozer who was too quick and dominated the series. T-Mac did settle offensively, I remember him having advantages throughout the series, particularly when Fisher guarded him, though T-Mac did do a great job as a facilitator and had a solid game 7.

T-Mac declined more in 2008, and despite winning roughly half of those 22 consecutive games without Yao, I didn't expect them to beat Utah without him. It was clear Houston wasn't going far once Yao went down for the season. That was the last year T-Mac was relevant, at age 28.

The 1st round thing with context is pointless for a player who spent almost all of his short prime on bad teams, was past his prime after age 25 and irrelevant after age 28 due to injuries. How much more should he have accomplished from a team standpoint during that time?

As far as his individual play, that shouldn't even be a question. As it is, nobody expected T-Mac to become the offensive force he was. Even during his last year in Toronto, nobody thought he'd become the offensive player Vince Carter was, much less right on par with Kobe from 2002-2005.

[GreatGreg]

Well, He's not that different from Lebron, except he didn't go join 2 other all stars.
Pull the cactus out of your ass and unclamp that lobster that's on your *****, ******.

[Legends66NBA7]

Unluckiest player in NBA history maybe.

No, he isn't, although you did say maybe... Unlucky would be someone who had a much shorter career because of injury, when they were starting to hit their prime. I consider Brandon Roy more unlucky in that case.

He made his own choice and left Toronto because he didn't want to be in Vince Carter's shadow. He wanted to be the man on his own team and he thought he had a healthy Grant Hill.

When he asked if he considered to come back to Toronto again as a more polished player and reunite with Carter his answer was this:

"Asked if he would consider signing with Toronto if he opts out of his contract next year, McGrady said: "It's too cold outside here for me."" - Decemeber

Just can't respect the man for that. He had better teams in Houston with and without Yao Ming, but still couldn't got out of the first round. Now, is he the biggest failure in the history of the league ? Not even close.

There are far worse #1 overall picks (there's one in Toronto right now), disappointing hyped up players, etc... His teams lost because they lost, regardless if it was his fault or not.

[elementally morale]

Not a real failure.

He was a first class talent with second class work ethic and third class leadership skills. Coupled with some bad luck. Still a very good NBA player, on his best years arguably the best but at worst a top 2 wingman and a top 5 player in the league. It lasted only 2-3 years but he was very very good in that span.

He was too good a player to be considered a second option and he wasn't good enough a leader to be a first option. This plus injuries. Still not bad, not even close to the biggest disappointment unless you thought he would become the best SG ever. He sure had the natural talent to.

[pegasus]

Very smart of you to repeat it, as if we wouldn't have laughed hard enough the first time due to us not having read your witty remark. :applause:
Leave the triple retard alone!

[CavaliersFTW]

By far the biggest failure in NBA history. He is going to be one of those guys that gets overrated after retirement. But the truth is he was always a heartless player. People can pull the injury excuses out (and they are legit) but the guy never had the fire to take his teams far. He wasn't a leader by any means.
Whenever you call other people failures (particularly multi-millionare pro athletes like T-Mac), I find it incredibly funny. Especially after you went public with your underwear incident :roll:

[Legends66NBA7]

He was too good a player to be considered a second option and he wasn't good enough a leader to be a first option. This plus injuries. Still not bad, not even close to the biggest disappointment unless you thought he would become the best SG ever. He sure had the natural talent to.

Bill Walton thought he had a chance to become the greatest player ever.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Bill Walton thought he had a chance to become the greatest player ever.

Yeah, and Bill Walton tended to see a variety of objects and colors that weren't actually there.

[Legends66NBA7]

Yeah, and Bill Walton tended to see a variety of objects and colors that weren't actually there.

:oldlol:

My thoughts, exactly.

[elementally morale]

Bill Walton thought he had a chance to become the greatest player ever.

He and Vince Carter were amongst the most talented players I've seen entering the NBA since 1980. If I have to give you a top 5:

McGrady
Shaq
Carter
Jordan
LeBron

McGrady and Vince Carter are disapponintments in comparison with what they could have been, but I'd call neither of them failures. Both are a bit lame, especaially Vince. But failures? Not at all.

Darius Miles is a failure. Kwame. Olowokandi. Those guys are failures. McGrady? He isn't. He was a top 5 player for several years. How many people are there in the world who would loooooove to fail their way up there?

[NumberSix]

I usually don't like to rank guys based on team success, but this is just a little too much to overlook. I mean, you couldn't lead your team to win 1 single series? In either conference?

[ImmortalNemesis]

No:biggums:

[ImmortalNemesis]

T-Mac is no more of a "failure" than Grant Hill who rarely gets that label compared to T-Mac. Both had their primes cut short due to injuries, both played on bad teams for most of their prime and both failed to get out of the 1st round with the exception of Hill doing it once in 2010 as a role player.

T-Mac was drafted out of high school, was a solid player by his 3rd year and starting coming into his own in his 4th year at 21 years old, similar to many players drafted out of high school including Kobe. As everyone knows, Orlando signed Grant Hill the same time they signed T-Mac and their team was supposed to be built around those two, but with Grant Hill unable to play virtually the entire time T-Mac was with Orlando, they not only missed the talent that team desperately needed, but didn't have the cap space to build a good team around T-Mac. To make matters worse, T-Mac was good enough to drag that team to the playoffs and prevent them from getting lottery picks.

He gets to Houston, has a great first year there and for the most part, had a great series leading his 51 win Rockets to a 7th game vs the 58 win Mavs who had finished the season 16-2 under Avery Johnson. T-Mac was easily the best player in the series, and it wasn't even close, but Dallas was deeper.

That was pretty much the end of his prime. Past his prime after age 25 due to injuries. The only season he was at a level close to his prime after that was 2007, and that was a missed opportunity. That was the one series he "should have won." But even that was vs a good Utah team that had match up advantages. Yao couldn't guard Okur because he was a 3 point shooter, and ended up guarding Boozer who was too quick and dominated the series. T-Mac did settle offensively, I remember him having advantages throughout the series, particularly when Fisher guarded him, though T-Mac did do a great job as a facilitator and had a solid game 7.

T-Mac declined more in 2008, and despite winning roughly half of those 22 consecutive games without Yao, I didn't expect them to beat Utah without him. It was clear Houston wasn't going far once Yao went down for the season. That was the last year T-Mac was relevant, at age 28.

The 1st round thing with context is pointless for a player who spent almost all of his short prime on bad teams, was past his prime after age 25 and irrelevant after age 28 due to injuries. How much more should he have accomplished from a team standpoint during that time?

As far as his individual play, that shouldn't even be a question. As it is, nobody expected T-Mac to become the offensive force he was. Even during his last year in Toronto, nobody thought he'd become the offensive player Vince Carter was, much less right on par with Kobe from 2002-2005.
:applause:

[icewill36]

his body broke down, hes not a failure.

[icewill36]

That was crazy how artest and yao made it out the first round when t-mac sat it out due to injury.

they won that series because they finally got a good matchup, nothing more. rockets had owned the blazers for years. any one of those rocket teams that lost in the first round would have beat that portland team, including the 22 win streak team wtihout yao.

[Euroleague]

Yes, he is. Without any doubt whatsoever.

[Euroleague]

You people just love to listen to the media narrative, right?

Unluckiest player in NBA history maybe. Everybody wants to find the biggest star on a team, and either give them all the credit or all of the blame.

In the NBA playoffs, the best team with the best matchups win those series at an incredible rate. It was amazing that Tmac himself really even got the Magic to the playoffs some of those times, and certainly deserves praise for his series vs Detroit even pushing it that far.

The beloved KG had the same tag next to his name until he got help with Spre and Cassell. Went right back in that direction the year after when those 3 got broken up. And would've been worst if he didn't get pushed off to Boston.

You don't win in the NBA alone people. Just doesn't happen. When Magic and Bird were winning there's (as the narrative suggests), they were winning them with basically all star teams around them.

People take this streak with the Heat and use it to say Lebron is the best ever. He arguably has the best 2nd and 3rd options ever, put him in Charlotte today and see how the narrative changes. Whereas the Heat would still be one of the best teams in the league, even if they didn't have a replacement.

People talk about the actual NBA and sports in general as if it's a ****ing EA Sports video game.


YOU just want to make up bullshit excuses for a natural born loser. His Chinese team was 16-16 last year, and finished 9th out of 17 teams, and had the same basic core of Chinese rotation players last year that they had this year.

THEN........what do they do this year? They replace Lester Hudson with T-Mac, to "make the playoffs" according to the owner.

And what was the result of that?

They finished in DEAD LAST PLACE, 17th out of 17 teams, with an 8-24 record. And T-Mac was healthy all season. He took the same team and made them much worse.

You are so full of shit. McGrady is a proven team cancer and loser.

[Euroleague]

they won that series because they finally got a good matchup, nothing more. rockets had owned the blazers for years. any one of those rocket teams that lost in the first round would have beat that portland team, including the 22 win streak team wtihout yao.

Bullshit. The Rockets were well on their way to beating the Lakers in the next series (the prime time of that team that won back to backs) before Yao got hurt.

[Magic 32]

My biggest problem with T-mac was the constant comparisons with Kobe. The standard line from the haters early on was "plug any all-star wing with Shaq and they 3-peat".

That notion was only reinforced with Kobe's 2005-2007 campaigns, and people used T-mac's peak in Orlando as almost self-evident proof (first round exit without all-star big). The differences were immense however. Kobe made it to the playoffs at a time when the west was at its most brutal, while T-mac made it when the east was a total embarrassment.

Arenas, VC, T-mac, Iverson and on and on with players who made to the playoffs in the east without an all-star big. How many did it in the west?

Nash and Kobe in 2006.

[Mamba]

My biggest problem with T-mac was the constant comparisons with Kobe. The standard line from the haters early on was "plug any all-star wing with Shaq and they 3-peat".

That notion was only reinforced with Kobe's 2005-2007 campaigns, and people used T-mac's peak in Orlando as almost self-evident proof (first round exit with no all-star big). A The differences were immense however. Kobe made it to the playoffs at a time when the west was at its most brutal, while T-mac made it when the east was a total embarrassment.

Arenas, VC, T-mac, Iverson and on and on with players who made to the playoffs in the east without an all-star big. How many did it in the west.

Nash and Kobe in 2006.
Nash had amare and marion you fool.

Trolling today is baaaaddd on ish. Wayy to many butthurt kobe stans

[JellyBean]

Heck no. T-Mac is not the biggest failure in NBA history. T-Mac suffered because of injuries that gradually slowed his game. The dude was not a failure. When I think of some NBA player failing, T-Mac is not on that list.

[RRR3]

If I were you, I'd be running my mouth a lot less, scarface. You seem extremely dumb. Not any better that the stans you despise.
Hey Einstein, it's called answering a dumb question with a dumb answer. I know Kobe's had a way better career, I'm just trolling a retarded thread made for god knows what reason. Get off my case.

[Magic 32]

Nash had amare and marion you fool.

Trolling today is baaaaddd on ish. Wayy to many butthurt kobe stans

Amare was out that year, idiot. Marion was not a big (played D'Antoni PF/SF).

[HardwoodLegend]

YOU just want to make up bullshit excuses for a natural born loser. His Chinese team was 16-16 last year, and finished 9th out of 17 teams, and had the same basic core of Chinese rotation players last year that they had this year.

THEN........what do they do this year? They replace Lester Hudson with T-Mac, to "make the playoffs" according to the owner.

And what was the result of that?

They finished in DEAD LAST PLACE, 17th out of 17 teams, with an 8-24 record. And T-Mac was healthy all season. He took the same team and made them much worse.

You are so full of shit. McGrady is a proven team cancer and loser.

Beyond idiotic to use McGrady's experiences in China as a way to retroactively evaluate his NBA career.

Even if you want to argue that he lacked dedication to win in the NBA, he had even less incentive in China. He was there primarily for marketing purposes to make money.

[CavaliersFTW]

YOU just want to make up bullshit excuses for a natural born loser. His Chinese team was 16-16 last year, and finished 9th out of 17 teams, and had the same basic core of Chinese rotation players last year that they had this year.

THEN........what do they do this year? They replace Lester Hudson with T-Mac, to "make the playoffs" according to the owner.

And what was the result of that?

They finished in DEAD LAST PLACE, 17th out of 17 teams, with an 8-24 record. And T-Mac was healthy all season. He took the same team and made them much worse.

You are so full of shit. McGrady is a proven team cancer and loser.
:facepalm We're talking about his NBA career here dumbass. If we wanted to talk about how 40 year old t-mac on shattered knees somehow managed to make a career in China and against that level of talent remains unguardable and quick enough to take Chinese guards off the dribble and is worshipped like a god in China we would have made the thread in the Overseas/Rec League thread.

[Euroleague]

Beyond idiotic to use McGrady's experiences in China as a way to retroactively evaluate his NBA career.

Even if you want to argue that he lacked dedication to win in the NBA, he had even less incentive in China. He was there primarily for marketing purposes to make money.

The only stupid people in this thread are the ones trying to argue T-Mac is anything but the biggest failure in NBA history. Those people are not just stupid, they are actually delusional, and maybe even borderline psychotic.

[Euroleague]

:facepalm We're talking about his NBA career here dumbass. If we wanted to talk about how 40 year old t-mac on shattered knees somehow managed to make a career in China and against that level of talent remains unguardable and quick enough to take Chinese guards off the dribble and is worshipped like a god in China we would have made the thread in the Overseas/Rec League thread.

Oh look, the mega troll is back.

[HardwoodLegend]

The only stupid people in this thread are the ones trying to argue T-Mac is anything but the biggest failure in NBA history. Those people are not just stupid, they are actually delusional, and maybe even borderline psychotic.

He fulfilled enough of his potential to escape being the biggest failure in NBA History.

2x All-NBA 1st Team
7x All-Star

Those two things ALONE qualify a fairly decent NBA career regardless of anything else.

As for the Playoffs, he played well a lot of the time and had his team in position to win. They just came up barely short most of the time against better well-rounded comp.

[RRR3]

CavsFTW, wouldn't you agree that V-Span is the biggest failure in NBA history? I mean, for the "Euroleague GOAT" you'd expect more than 2 PPG on 31%, I think :confusedshrug: At least T-Mac was a starter...

[Mamba]

Its funny, people call him a failure, yet without injuries i would take a prime tmac > kobe. Tmac just new the game, he saw his man and make the rught pass. he made his team mates better, but somehow they always got a bad match up in the first round.


Oh and btw we did find out if you put any sg next to shaq theyd win a championship fool. His name is dwyane wade and he showed what team mates actually do. Unlike what kobe did and threw shaq under the bus.

[greymatter]

Seriously. Why wouldn't Darko, Olowokandi, Kwame, Adam Morrison enter conversation?

TMac was a 7 time all star and 5 time first or second team NBA member.

GTFO, not a failure at all.

This.

Biggest failures are the guys who had all the skills, talent, and potential in the world and found some way to piss it all away.

Richard Dumas was awesome as a rookie and should have developed into a solid all-star, but was a cokehead.

Earl Manigault was described by Kareem as the greatest baller he'd ever seen. He never made it because he dropped out of college to be a cokehead.

[CavaliersFTW]

CavsFTW, wouldn't you agree that V-Span is the biggest failure in NBA history? I mean, for the "Euroleague GOAT" you'd expect more than 2 PPG on 31%, I think :confusedshrug: At least T-Mac was a starter...

Easily. He's apparently a top 3 talent in the World and all he amounted too in the NBA was 2ppg on 31%!? Poor guy struggled to even make layups in the NBA :oldlol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWl-JHATnP4

[Burgz V2]

underachieving =/= failure. T-Mac had an exceptional career and will be remembered as one of the most unique talents and scorers in the history of the NBA. His injuries, plus, injuries of key teammates limited his success, but he still had a better career than 90% of players who come into the league.

Grant Hill only played 47 games between 00/01 and 03/04 seasons, when TMac was traded. Yao Ming, save his first season with Tmac, never played over 57 games a season until Tracy had his microfracture surgery.

People forget how unlucky this guy was, he went to Orlando under the pretences that he, Hill, and Duncan would all sign. Duncan backed out and signed a massive extension with the Spurs. T-Macs best years as a player were wasted playing with nobodies like Pat Garrity and Michael Doleac

Damn I wish he stayed in Toronto. At the very least, him and Vince could have been hurt together and we'd get a lottery pick or two :lol

[RRR3]

Easily. He's apparently a top 3 talent in the World and all he amounted too in the NBA was 2ppg on 31%!? Poor guy struggled to even make layups in the NBA :oldlol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWl-JHATnP4
Damn, even scrubs like T-Mac can make layups.

[Noob Saibot]

Maybe one of the biggest underachievers in NBA history given his level of talent, but certainly not the biggest failure. Even today people still talk about TMac, so that must be a positive.

[ReturnofJPR]

Wince Carter is pretty high up there...

[Y2Gezee]

YOU just want to make up bullshit excuses for a natural born loser. His Chinese team was 16-16 last year, and finished 9th out of 17 teams, and had the same basic core of Chinese rotation players last year that they had this year.

THEN........what do they do this year? They replace Lester Hudson with T-Mac, to "make the playoffs" according to the owner.

And what was the result of that?

They finished in DEAD LAST PLACE, 17th out of 17 teams, with an 8-24 record. And T-Mac was healthy all season. He took the same team and made them much worse.

You are so full of shit. McGrady is a proven team cancer and loser.

The man's career was basically done 2 years ago. Nobody gives a sh*t about China...he's there for a reason. Doesn't take away from the fact that at his peak he was about as good as any 2/3 in NBA history.

Teaming up with Grant Hill and Grant Hill basically not playing, but still occupying like half of their cap isn't an excuse it's a reason as to why the Magic were bad.

Teaming up with Yao, and in the midst of a 22 game winning streak (one of the longest streaks in American sports history) and Yao's career damn near coming to an end after like game 11 of that 22 game streak isn't an excuse. It's a reason.

Just like if Shaq had been playing with Paul Pierce in the early 2000s, and the Lakers never pulled out that immaculate trade for Pau....the narrative would've been that Kobe was an underachiever and Paul Pierce is one of the best ever.

Truth is you have to be extremely lucky in addition to talented in order to win big in American sports. Takes the right star player, right team around him/them, right coach, management, and of course good health.

And it really bothers me that the NBA game more so than any other has gone to placing singular players on pedestals for team and organizational achievements. Just like the Heat. Everyone tries to find the right stat or right game to prove that all of their success is because of Lebron James, and now that they're rolling he's showing he's the best ever. He went to play with Bosh and Wade for a reason...in fact they were both committed first. You think if he'd have chosen the Brooklyn Nets he'd be attempting to play for his 3rd finals appearance in a row and 2nd title? Or if he'd have joined forces with Blake Griffin in LA or if he'd have done what everyone believed he would've and went to NY? No. The title isn't following where Lebron goes, he followed where the title was going.

[steve franchise]

McGrady had all the tools, (length, height, athleticism, skills) to be one of the greatest players in NBA history, he should have dominated the NBA, yet his career is one of the biggest laughing stocks we have ever seen.


- The man went H.A.M. for one season in his entire career (2002-2003)
- Never got out of 1st round (7 or 8 times in a row he lost in 1st round)
- At one point he was playing with the best center in game (Yao), best defender in game (Shane Battier) and even had Artest, Scola and Rafer Alston and he still couldn't get them anywhere.
- It's like he was made of glass, just so weak, so soft , got injured once a month it seemed like.
- Began progressively and sharply declining after 2004-2005, his FG% is in low 40% his whole career. His fall off was even more pathetic than Iverson's.

He was my 2nd favorite player in 2003, and even in 2005 but the man just became the laughing stock of the NBA and fell from top 5 to not mentioned at all after '05.



McGrady never had Artest in the playoffs. McGrady had Scola in 2008, but Yao was injured and Houston faced the same Utah team that went to the Conference finals the previous year.

McGrady played one playoff series with prime Yao Ming in 2007. That's it. This post is definitely agenda driven.

[Solid Snake]

Wince Carter is pretty high up there...


Excuse me sir, it's Wince Harder thank you.

[Lebron23]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-7kE3uidRCZo/TxWXImwr1uI/AAAAAAAAAgw/TcPgamzsajs/s1600/991007.1143521579434.Pistol_Pete_Maravich4.jpg

[steve franchise]

How was it crazy? Yao was healthy and absolutely shit all over Greg Oden.

Greg Oden wasn't even the starting center? lol Dude just shut the f*ck up. You don't know what you're talking about.

[HardwoodLegend]

The man's career was basically done 2 years ago. Nobody gives a sh*t about China...he's there for a reason. Doesn't take away from the fact that at his peak he was about as good as any 2/3 in NBA history.

Teaming up with Grant Hill and Grant Hill basically not playing, but still occupying like half of their cap isn't an excuse it's a reason as to why the Magic were bad.

Teaming up with Yao, and in the midst of a 22 game winning streak (one of the longest streaks in American sports history) and Yao's career damn near coming to an end after like game 11 of that 22 game streak isn't an excuse. It's a reason.

Just like if Shaq had been playing with Paul Pierce in the early 2000s, and the Lakers never pulled out that immaculate trade for Pau....the narrative would've been that Kobe was an underachiever and Paul Pierce is one of the best ever.

Truth is you have to be extremely lucky in addition to talented in order to win big in American sports. Takes the right star player, right team around him/them, right coach, management, and of course good health.

And it really bothers me that the NBA game more so than any other has gone to placing singular players on pedestals for team and organizational achievements. Just like the Heat. Everyone tries to find the right stat or right game to prove that all of their success is because of Lebron James, and now that they're rolling he's showing he's the best ever. He went to play with Bosh and Wade for a reason...in fact they were both committed first. You think if he'd have chosen the Brooklyn Nets he'd be attempting to play for his 3rd finals appearance in a row and 2nd title? Or if he'd have joined forces with Blake Griffin in LA or if he'd have done what everyone believed he would've and went to NY? No. The title isn't following where Lebron goes, he followed where the title was going.

Killin it so hard.

Wow.

[Sharmer]

T mac averaged 27 PPG in the playoffs throughout his career.

End of debate.

[knicksman]

only idiots thinks hes a failure. Unless you think hes a player worth building around, then no hes not a failure. Hes just another lebron or oscar who cares more about how many triple doubles he has. At least lebron is efficient and will defend. Statpadders are cancerous that they are not really impactful as their stats say so he is on the same league as The AIs, arenas who are inefficient chuckers and getting overrated because of stats.

[Eat Like A Bosh]

The man scored nearly 20,000 points, averaged 32/5/6 for a season, and made $163 million. **** no he is not the "biggest failure in the history of the league." That is absurd.
This. It's all about perspective. COmpared to Kobe? Yea, he's a failure.

But you don't know what I would do to be in T-Mac's position.