If JR doesn't get 6th man of the year its a crime

[iDunk]

Dude is balling as the Knicks' 2nd option.

- Only Knick to play all games this season
- Has hit 2 buzzer beating game winners this season
- Has had 14 24+ point games this season
- Averaging a career high in points, rebounding, tying career high in assists per game,

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JR is gonna be averaging more points after tonight, & already has higher averages than Crawford in almost every statistic. Sure JR has a higher usage rate, but that's because he plays a slightly bigger role than Crawford does. Crawford also has the advantage of playing with the best PG in the league, where JR mostly creates on most of his shots & doesn't spot up as much as Crawford does.

[SacJB Shady]

Jackson says with all due respect to JR Smith and Jamal, Jarret Jack is the best 6th man of the year

[Scoooter]

I think Jarrett Jack should be up there too.

[SacJB Shady]

Jack has a higher fg %, higher 3 pt %, more assists, and the best defense among those 2.

[iDunk]

Jack is averaging nowhere near the amount of points JR & Crawford put. They usually look at scoring much more than the 13/4/5 guys.

[NumberSix]

FG%? .405


Defense? None.

[SacJB Shady]

Jack is averaging nowhere near the amount of points JR & Crawford put. They usually look at scoring much more than the 13/4/5 guys.


Nowhere near? He is averaging only a 3 pointer less. JR shoots at 40 percent. Come on man.

[iDunk]

FG%? .405


Defense? None.
That just shows you're talking out of your ass.

JR has been an above average defender this season.

[qrich]

More minutes.

Worse shooting.

Inferior team.


Yeah, it should be Crawford easily.

[imdaman99]

JR has played pretty good defense. He deserves it more than Crawford. I know crawford is part of a great bench, but all he does is score. I never see him making a pass or playing great defense. JR can pass or rebound and has played pretty good defense too. Crawford outplayed him in the matchups, but 6mofty awards aren't judged by late head to head matchups like rivaling MVPs are.

JR drives me crazy, but for the 6th man of the year? He's sooooo riiiiiiiiiiiiiight

[iDunk]

More minutes.

Worse shooting.

Inferior team.


Yeah, it should be Crawford easily.
Bigger role, more pressure

Better rebounder

Better passer

Better defender

[Zodiac]

His game is so right

[ClutchOver9000]

I agree. Sure he's relatively inefficient. But the guy has been the most dependable Knick all season long, 2nd option to Carmelo, and has been relied on in crunch-time in just about every game.

He also consistently contributes in other ways besides scoring, he's been rebounding very effectively, and has shown to be a capable playmaker.

IMO Smith has overtaken Crawford for the award, he plays a much larger role for his team, scores just as much as Crawford (albeit less efficiently), BUT also defends, hustles, rebounds, and creates plays for others.

Though if he doesn't get it, its not a crime, Crawford and Jack are worthy candidates as well...

[qrich]

Bigger role, more pressure

Better rebounder

Better passer

Better defender

:oldlol:

Sure, he rebounds more.


:oldlol: Crawford's handles blow Smith out of the water. And he's such a better passer he averages .3 more dimes in 4 more minutes.

:oldlol: Remind me how well he defended Crawford?

27 on 12-22 shooting in the first matchup while Crawford held Smith to 6 on 1-9 shooting. Second go, 12 on 5-15 for Craw, but how about a spectacular 17 points for Smith on 4-20 shooting :bowdown:

And back to the major part. 44% vs 40% from the field. 38% vs 34% from three.

To boot, Craw isn't even the second option

[NumberSix]

That just shows you're talking out of your ass.

JR has been an above average defender this season.
Sometimes. Other times, :no: .
Dude is the epitome of inconsistent.

[ClutchOver9000]

Crawford's handles blow Smith out of the water.

:biggums: how the hell does 'handles' have any relevance into who deserves 6MOY? Do you hear yourself?

[Tking714]

JR is a 20ppg scorer if he took smarter shots :\

[jimmy77x]

:biggums: how the hell does 'handles' have any relevance into who deserves 6MOY? Do you hear yourself?

:roll: :roll:

[Blue&Orange]

:biggums: how the hell does 'handles' have any relevance into who deserves 6MOY? Do you hear yourself?
Jr have a better haircut.

[Droid101]

Why the **** would you need to stan for 6th man of the year? Jesus, are Knick fans this desperate to win ANYTHING?

[qrich]

:biggums: how the hell does 'handles' have any relevance into who deserves 6MOY? Do you hear yourself?

What does supposed defense have anything to do with an award that is determined on stats as well?

.2 more steals, .1 more block with 1.9 more fouls. So there "defense" :yawn:

[imdaman99]

Why the **** would you need to stan for 6th man of the year? Jesus, are Knick fans this desperate to win ANYTHING?
knicks and clips never win anything. let us fight it out :kobe:

[lbj4kb8]

How do you win 6th MOTY if you're averaging over 33 minutes a game? That's starter minutes!

[BlueCrayon]

What does supposed defense have anything to do with an award that is determined on stats as well?

.2 more steals, .1 more block with 1.9 more fouls. So there "defense" :yawn:

Steals and blocks tell the whole story.

[jimmy77x]

Why the **** would you need to stan for 6th man of the year? Jesus, are Knick fans this desperate to win ANYTHING?

People aren't allowed to want a player on their team to win an award now? how does that constitute to being desperate? I guess talking about Miami's stupid streak as if the media isn't shoving down everyone's throats enough would be a more appropriate conversation here.

[Smoke117]

JR Smith is such a chucker. You pretty much know you have no chance of winning a championship with him as your second leading scorer.

[qrich]

Steals and blocks tell the whole story.

When it comes to an award that has very little to do with defense, and very much to do with stats, yes it does.

And if you go by DRTG, Smith is 106, Craw is 108, so per 100 possessions, a unit with Crawford as opposed to Smith gives up a whole field goal more.

Opponent PER per48 by position:

Smith gives up a per of 12.9 at SG and 17.0 at SF. Craw gives up 11.2 to SGs and 12.9 to SFs.

But hey, they still have nothing to do with a stat based award but this better defender crap is really :bowdown:

[RRR3]

JR Smith is such a chucker. You pretty much know you have no chance of winning a championship with him as your second leading scorer.
To be fair to the Knicks and J.R., he's had to have a larger role than envisioned due to injuries.

[SevereUpInHere]

How do you win 6th MOTY if you're averaging over 33 minutes a game? That's starter minutes!

Same way dudes like Ginobili win it.

[Whoah10115]

Crawford has been better. He's a much better scorer and if you watch the games you'll see his impact. The Clippers play garbage offense and it's all about him going ISO. He's still shooting 44%. He's better from the field, from 3, from the FT line. J.R. Smith does play good overall defense and he's a good rebounder. He's also a talented playmaker but his shot-jacking has been annoying and is part of why the Knicks are last in assists. Credit to him, he doesn't turn the ball over much.

Jarrett Jack has also been better.

[willds09]

Sometimes. Other times, :no: .
Dude is the epitome of inconsistent.
naw u just :no: jealous

[iDunk]

JR Smith is such a chucker. You pretty much know you have no chance of winning a championship with him as your second leading scorer.
Nick Young is a chucker

JR actually makes those crossover, fall away shots. That's his go-to move.

[Scholar]

Pretty close between J.R. Smith and Jamaal Crawford.

I say everyone look at it from this perspective:

Take Crawford off the Clippers, they still look like contenders.
Take Smith off the Knicks, they suddenly lose a hell of a lot more games.

[brandonislegend]

:oldlol:

Sure, he rebounds more.


:oldlol: Crawford's handles blow Smith out of the water. And he's such a better passer he averages .3 more dimes in 4 more minutes.

:oldlol: Remind me how well he defended Crawford?

27 on 12-22 shooting in the first matchup while Crawford held Smith to 6 on 1-9 shooting. Second go, 12 on 5-15 for Craw, but how about a spectacular 17 points for Smith on 4-20 shooting :bowdown:

And back to the major part. 44% vs 40% from the field. 38% vs 34% from three.

To boot, Craw isn't even the second option

The Irony complains about rebounds then mentions having "handles" a better criteria for being 6th man :roll:

[qrich]

The Irony complains about rebounds then mentions having "handles" a better criteria for being 6th man :roll:

Where did I complain about rebounds? By saying he rebounds more? Stating facts is now complaining? Awesome.

And where did I say that was the criteria again?

Your butthurt is hilarious, but sad at the same time. Can't be impartial in the slightest but why would anyone be shocked.

[brandonislegend]

Where did I complain about rebounds? By saying he rebounds more? Stating facts is now complaining? Awesome.

And where did I say that was the criteria again?

Your butthurt is hilarious, but sad at the same time. Can't be impartial in the slightest but why would anyone be shocked.

Yes I am butthurt even though I could careless who wins 6th man :roll: You are biased obviously and the butthurt one.

[Magic 32]

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[qrich]

Yes I am butthurt even though I could careless who wins 6th man :roll: You are biased obviously and the butthurt one.

No answer to the questions? :rolleyes:

I'm butthurt, yet, you are the pathetic one going in plenty of Clipper threads posting negative and impartial remarks. Yet, I'm butthurt.

:applause:

[brandonislegend]

No answer to the questions? :rolleyes:

I'm butthurt, yet, you are the pathetic one going in plenty of Clipper threads posting negative and impartial remarks. Yet, I'm butthurt.

:applause:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v623/PUBLIX123/does-your-butt-hurt.jpg

[kNicKz]

Take Crawford off the Clippers, they still look like contenders.
Take Smith off the Knicks, they suddenly lose a hell of a lot more games.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-kPL4Gleu4rw/USQHWxYyuoI/AAAAAAAABKg/AO6_OCKe0VA/s1600/The+Rock+Clapping.gif

JR for 6th man of the year :bowdown:

[qrich]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v623/PUBLIX123/does-your-butt-hurt.jpg

:rolleyes:

Really are pathetic

[brandonislegend]

Pretty close between J.R. Smith and Jamaal Crawford.

I say everyone look at it from this perspective:

Take Crawford off the Clippers, they still look like contenders.
Take Smith off the Knicks, they suddenly lose a hell of a lot more games.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v214/xwikdx/tumblr_md9c2ppcNG1qixsbjo2_500.gif

[bdreason]

Pretty close between J.R. Smith and Jamaal Crawford.

I say everyone look at it from this perspective:

Take Crawford off the Clippers, they still look like contenders.
Take Smith off the Knicks, they suddenly lose a hell of a lot more games.


Take Jack off the Warriors, and they may not even be a playoff team. He's had multiple game winning shots, and runs the offense in the 4th quarter.

[D.J.]

Crawford is averaging an identical amount of points while playing in 4 fewer minutes, and also on significantly better shooting percentages. This is the best ball J.R. Smith has been playing, but Crawford is more efficient, consistent, and provides more of an impact.

And you can't forget about Jarrett Jack either.

[brandonislegend]

Crawford is averaging an identical amount of points while playing in 4 fewer minutes, and also on significantly better shooting percentages. This is the best ball J.R. Smith has been playing, but Crawford is more efficient, consistent, and provides more of an impact.

And you can't forget about Jarrett Jack either.

Yes but Crawford has other offensive weapons around him to take pressure off him, JR Smith is playing with nobody lol.

[D.J.]

Yes but Crawford has other offensive weapons around him to take pressure off him, JR Smith is playing with nobody lol.


He only has the 2nd leading scorer in the league. For every time Smith wins a game for the Knicks, he'll bounce back with a 5/19 shooting night. Crawford doesn't have those off nights J.R. has.

[Y2Gezee]

He may very well be deserving due to his value to this team with all the injuries. And maybe he actually should win it.


I've always been a huge JR fan since his HS all star appearance.

But I'd just like to say that the Knicks would be better with, and I'd trade JR for Jamal Crawford, Kevin Martin, and Jarret Jack faster than you could say "It's a deal".

[HaNdLe ThE RoCk]

But I'd just like to say that the Knicks would be better with, and I'd trade JR for Jamal Crawford, Kevin Martin, and Jarret Jack faster than you could say "It's a deal".

Jarrett Jack over JR? :wtf: I'm cool I'd rather have Smith on my team over Martin too. As for Jamal I'm a fan of him and would take whoever you don't choose out of those two.

[willds09]

Take Jack off the Warriors, and they may not even be a playoff team. He's had multiple game winning shots, and runs the offense in the 4th quarter.warriors are number 6, knicks are number 2, plus j.r has better scoring and rebounds over Lil jack:facepalm

[longtime lurker]

FG%? .405


Defense? None.

Yes FG% is the end all and be all when comparing players......:rolleyes:

[Sarcastic]

Take Jack off the Warriors, and they may not even be a playoff team. He's had multiple game winning shots, and runs the offense in the 4th quarter.



Really? That's a pretty big indictment of Curry then.


JR Smith plays the PG role as well for the Knicks from time to time. Felton is so bad, and been hurt for long stretches, that he has to. Woodson should have used Prigioni more during the year, but he's too much of a dumbass to do that.



Earl's last 10 games: 21.1/4.9/2.5 on 45.3 FG%

[bagelred]

The whole "6th man award" is beyond stupid. So just because JR Smith "comes off the bench" he gets a reward? He plays starters minutes. So do most of the Sixth Men who win. They are really good players, who just happen not be in the starting lineup. It's a dumb award, and they should just get rid of it.

[willds09]

The whole "6th man award" is beyond stupid. So just because JR Smith "comes off the bench" he gets a reward? He plays starters minutes. So do most of the Sixth Men who win. They are really good players, who just happen not be in the starting lineup. It's a dumb award, and they should just get rid of it.
Look at 2011 Jason Terry he was tha same way and he won.

[shortsoptional]

The whole "6th man award" is beyond stupid. So just because JR Smith "comes off the bench" he gets a reward? He plays starters minutes. So do most of the Sixth Men who win. They are really good players, who just happen not be in the starting lineup. It's a dumb award, and they should just get rid of it.

While I can agree that the 6th man of the year award can be hard to determine, surely you don't think a 6th man role is only "players who just happen to not be in the starting lineup"?

[BlackWhiteGreen]

Look at 2011 Jason Terry he was tha same way and he won.

That's exactly what he's saying :facepalm that it rewards players for playing at a different time in the games to everyone else.

[CHi1PriDe]

Lol, a month ago y'all Knicks fans were complaining how much of a checker he is :facepalm

[bagelred]

Look at 2011 Jason Terry he was tha same way and he won.

Exactly. Terry was one of Mavs best players. Why is he winning a "6th man" award. It's silly.

"Because he comes off da bench." :lol

I think Lebron should NOT start the game, but come in :45 seconds after game starts. Then play his regular minutes. Then he can win MVP and the 6th man award in the same season.

[kurple]

More minutes.

Worse shooting.

Inferior team.


Yeah, it should be Crawford easily.
this!

[nashwade]

JR is like Manu

anyway, who gives a damn about "6th Man" awards? Look at Leandro Barbossa

[kurple]

warriors are number 6, knicks are number 2, plus j.r has better scoring and rebounds over Lil jack:facepalm
LOL

east.... :roll: :roll:

[Sarcastic]

LOL

east.... :roll: :roll:


So I guess with this logic, then Lebron shouldn't win MVP?

[ClutchOver9000]

35 & 7

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[iDunk]

Goddamn crime if he doesn't get it, back to back 32+ point games off the bench.

[jimmy77x]

This new JR>> Crawford. Smith showing he is just an overall better player.

[Walker]

Entire thread sleeping on the real winner, Ryan Anderson...

[willds09]

Entire thread sleeping on the real winner, Ryan Anderson...
You non playoff teamz need to give it up:lol

[ClutchOver9000]

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[iDunk]

37 points, 3rd straight 32+ game off the bench first time since 1990, 1st time in Knicks history for a guy to get 3 straight 30 point games off the bench, oh yeah and he shot 12-18 from the field.

Haters gon' hate. :coleman:

[bluechox2]

if jr can keep up his play, he can become melos wade

[willds09]

3 in a row, 30 or better, he definitely deserves 6th man of tha year:applause:

[Sharmer]

Dude is balling as the Knicks' 2nd option.

- Only Knick to play all games this season
- Has hit 2 buzzer beating game winners this season
- Has had 14 24+ point games this season
- Averaging a career high in points, rebounding, tying career high in assists per game,

http://i45.tinypic.com/n2zfw5.png


JR is gonna be averaging more points after tonight, & already has higher averages than Crawford in almost every statistic. Sure JR has a higher usage rate, but that's because he plays a slightly bigger role than Crawford does. Crawford also has the advantage of playing with the best PG in the league, where JR mostly creates on most of his shots & doesn't spot up as much as Crawford does.


:lol

[imdaman99]

the fck you bumping this thread today for fgt? i swear bran stans are the dumbest rejects in life :facepalm

you know there are different 6th men of the year every yr right?

and yes, i did talk in ebonix. everyone should be allowed to sometimes, yeah?

[chocolatethunder]

if jr can keep up his play, he can become melos wade
Ummm no.

[bluechox2]

Ummm no.
if he played like last year...then yea

[red1]

melo deserves better than the knicks and knicks fans deserve better than this shitty team. the only culprit is knicks management

[chocolatethunder]

if he played like last year...then yea
Unfortunately for you and him, last year was his only good year and he won't be having any more of those.Sorry to break it to you. So again, ummmm no.

[Akrazotile]

melo deserves better than the knicks and knicks fans deserve better than this shitty team. the only culprit is knicks management


Why does melo "deserve" better? Hes not even the most important guy on the team. Chandler is.. Melo's contributions can be equalled by players like Jeremy Lin.

[red1]

Why does melo "deserve" better? Hes not even the most important guy on the team. Chandler is.. Melo's contributions can be equalled by players like Jeremy Lin.
have you even watched the knicks play?