Bulls effectively use the "Jordan Rules" against LeBron James.

[bdreason]

Chuck Daily on the 'Jordan Rules',

"The rule was, anytime he went by you, you had to nail him. If he was coming off a screen, nail him. We didn't want to be dirty, I know some people thought we were, but we had to make contact and be very physical."


I think this is the only way teams can hope to slow LeBron down at this point. You have to physically check him every trip down the court, and hope he loses his concentration. If that means giving a flagrant foul, so be it.

[maybeshewill13]

Chuck Daily on the 'Jordan Rules',

"The rule was, anytime he went by you, you had to nail him. If he was coming off a screen, nail him. We didn't want to be dirty, I know some people thought we were, but we had to make contact and be very physical."


I think this is the only way teams can hope to slow LeBron down at this point. You have to physically check him every trip down the court, and hope he loses his concentration. If that means giving a flagrant foul, so be it.

Yes! We can sacrifice Perkins to constantly foul and flagrant Lebron. That means we get Lebron off his game and Perkins gets fouled out. Win-win for OKC.

[plowking]

Then you have to hope for rescinded back-court violations, bullshit techincals for you, bullshit off the ball rebounding calls, etc.

Bulls are a bunch of floppers and pansies on the offensive end, then foul the shit out of you on the defensive end. Its like a team full of Tyson Chandlers.

[inclinerator]

it didnt work, lebron played good but bosh and others missed a bunch of wide open shots

[unbreakable]

I agree however lets get one thing clear: NONE of these fouls compare to the hits Jordan took in the 80s...



itd be enjoyable as a heat-hater (tho i love lebron, just hate the STACKness)to see more teams body up bron, or atleast try to. hes a beast so its gonna come 2 ways. its gonna be interesting to see how the Knicks/Pacers/Bulls/Celtics are gonna play Bron in the playoffs

[poido123]

Then you have to hope for rescinded back-court violations, bullshit techincals for you, bullshit off the ball rebounding calls, etc.

Bulls are a bunch of floppers and pansies on the offensive end, then foul the shit out of you on the defensive end. Its like a team full of Tyson Chandlers.

Boo Hoo. Go suck down a bottle of scotch or something and dry your eyes princess. :cry:

So salty, I suppose you don't want to look at the fact that your team was fully healthy and we had two leaders missing? If you want to cry about physical play, go ahead, but it makes you come accross a bitch.

[plowking]

Boo Hoo. Go suck down a bottle of scotch or something and dry your eyes princess. :cry:

So salty, I suppose you don't want to look at the fact that your team was fully healthy and we had two leaders missing? If you want to cry about physical play, go ahead, but it makes you come accross a bitch.

Read my post ass wipe.

Every call I complained about was because it was too weak in terms of physical play. :oldlol:

The only two games I've complained about the reffing this season in a game happen to be the two Chicago games we lost. I guess its because your team somehow managed to assemble the biggest pack of d!ckheads at every position, thus fusing together and creating this giant clusterf*ck of d!ckheads on the same team, that manage to get away with calls better than any other team.

You're probably from Tasmania or something since you're a right knob of an Aussie.

[shady6121]

Yes! We can sacrifice Perkins to constantly foul and flagrant Lebron. That means we get Lebron off his game and Perkins gets fouled out. Win-win for OKC.

:lol

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Then you have to hope for rescinded back-court violations, bullshit techincals for you, bullshit off the ball rebounding calls, etc.

Bulls are a bunch of floppers and pansies on the offensive end, then foul the shit out of you on the defensive end. Its like a team full of Tyson Chandlers.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8mzi0xLnJ1qlbp55.gif

...

[unbreakable]

Read my post ass wipe.

Every call I complained about was because it was too weak in terms of physical play. :oldlol:

The only two games I've complained about the reffing this season in a game happen to be the two Chicago games we lost. I guess its because your team somehow managed to assemble the biggest pack of d!ckheads at every position, thus fusing together and creating this giant clusterf*ck of d!ckheads on the same team, that manage to get away with calls better than any other team.

You're probably from Tasmania or something since you're a right knob of an Aussie.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbjc647jvd1qamt4s.jpg

[poido123]

Read my post ass wipe.

Every call I complained about was because it was too weak in terms of physical play. :oldlol:

The only two games I've complained about the reffing this season in a game happen to be the two Chicago games we lost. I guess its because your team somehow managed to assemble the biggest pack of d!ckheads at every position, thus fusing together and creating this giant clusterf*ck of d!ckheads on the same team, that manage to get away with calls better than any other team.

You're probably from Tasmania or something since you're a right knob of an Aussie.

Personal attacks about my country now? Maybe I should just assume that your some hillbilly or yokle from the states with no education :rolleyes:

I've actually never read or seen anyone call our team a pack of d*ckheads fused together? :roll: Maybe you should have a look at bitch primadonnas like Lebron and Wade before calling out anyone else's team.. :rolleyes:

How old are you anyways? I want to know if your one of the bandwagon..

[Kingwillball]

Lebron still had 32 points in an AVERAGE gm for him.. If it was a series it would only work for so Long cause Other Guys like Chalmers, Allen Battier would start making them pay and Wade and Bosh could both have played better.

[poido123]

Lebron still had 32 points in an AVERAGE gm for him.. If it was a series it would only work for so Long cause Other Guys like Chalmers, Allen Battier would start making them pay and Wade and Bosh could both have played better.

Lebron played well in this game. It was an embarassing loss, no two ways to put it. :hammerhead:

[(e)]

Lebron still had 32 points in an AVERAGE gm for him.. If it was a series it would only work for so Long cause Other Guys like Chalmers, Allen Battier would start making them pay and Wade and Bosh could both have played better.
If it was a series we would of had Noah...

Your butt would be hurting 10x worse if he was playing tonight.

Stupid butthurt Miami fans with an excuse for everything.

[Beatlezz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGRzk_duhj4

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[coin24]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGRzk_duhj4

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

:cheers: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Breezy]

Chuck Daily on the 'Jordan Rules',

"The rule was, anytime he went by you, you had to nail him. If he was coming off a screen, nail him. We didn't want to be dirty, I know some people thought we were, but we had to make contact and be very physical."


I think this is the only way teams can hope to slow LeBron down at this point. You have to physically check him every trip down the court, and hope he loses his concentration. If that means giving a flagrant foul, so be it.

I agree and I hope this settles some of the nonsense that older players spout about how current players couldn't handle playing in the 80's.. I have a feeling that all of the stars of today would do just fine. They wouldnt like it but they could play through it just like every player managed to in the 80's

Lebron
Bryant
Durant
Patty Mills
Melo
Wade
Nowitzki
Paul

All would be all starts playing in any era.

I would add Rose and Irving but they cant seem to make a sandwich without getting injured.

[coin24]

I agree and I hope this settles some of the nonsense that older players spout about how current players couldn't handle playing in the 80's.. I have a feeling that all of the stars of today would do just fine. They wouldnt like it but they could play through it just like every player managed to in the 80's

Lebron
Bryant
Durant
Patty Mills
Melo
Wade
Nowitzki
Paul

All would be all starts playing in any era.

I would add Rose and Irving but they cant seem to make a sandwich without getting injured.


Patty Mills doesnt even start now:lol

On what planet does he have business being in that list of players:lol

[Hoopz2332]

What? lebron still had an eff 30+ game......Wade and Bosh sucking is what happened. If anything, lebron needed more touches/shot attempts.

[Kingwillball]

If it was a series we would of had Noah...

Your butt would be hurting 10x worse if he was playing tonight.

Stupid butthurt Miami fans with an excuse for everything.


And in a series Heat BEat Bulls in 5 max without Rose 6 with him..

[Breezy]

Patty Mills doesnt even start now:lol

On what planet does he have business being in that list of players:lol


My bad, I meant all stars.

I believe it's clear to everyone that Patrick Mills is the greatest human to ever play the sport (If in fact he isn't an angelic manifestation of the divine sent to earth to play hoops)

You either need to get on board with the fact that at any point Mills will be dropping 100 point quintuple doubles every night or you should stop analyzing basketball cause you clearly have some learning to do. :D

[MisterAmazing]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGRzk_duhj4

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

brendan haywood real talk :bowdown:

[MiseryCityTexas]

I agree and I hope this settles some of the nonsense that older players spout about how current players couldn't handle playing in the 80's.. I have a feeling that all of the stars of today would do just fine. They wouldnt like it but they could play through it just like every player managed to in the 80's

Lebron
Bryant
Durant
Patty Mills
Melo
Wade
Nowitzki
Paul

All would be all starts playing in any era.

I would add Rose and Irving but they cant seem to make a sandwich without getting injured.

Kobe would get destroyed by prime Andrew Toney. Kobe still a better player by far, but people are underestimating how great a scorer Andrew Toney was back in the day. Hell, Kobe probably would have fits against Danny freaking Ainge guarding him. Kobe would still get his 30/40 points, but Ainge and the 80's Celtics would simply outsmart Kobe and his 2010 Lakers to a tough win.

[Breezy]

Kobe would get destroyed by prime Andrew Toney. Kobe still a better player by far, but people are underestimating how great a scorer Andrew Toney was back in the day. Hell, Kobe probably would have fits against Danny freaking Ainge guarding him. Kobe would still get his 30/40 points, but Ainge and the 80's Celtics would simply outsmart Kobe and his 2010 Lakers to a tough win.

If your point is that the 86 Celtics are better than the 2010 Lakers then I agree with you. However if your saying that that is only true because Kobe couldn't play in 80's because it would've been too physical then you're being silly. Kobe would have been one of the top players.

[willds09]

lebron was phased by them jordan 23 jerseys in tha stands, that phucked your boy up:roll:

[bdreason]

'86 Celtics would embarrass the '10 Lakers.



And Jordan still got his against the Pistons as well. I remember the first few playoff games against the Pistons in '89 (I think) MJ had a trip dub one game and like 45 in another. Bulls went up 2-1, then lost 3 in a row.

Anyways, the point of the 'Jordan Rules' isn't really to stop LeBron, it's to wear on his mental and physical energy. While it's definitely harder to implement today with these soft ass rules, it can also be more dangerous. You saw LeBron pick up a flagrant tonight in frustration. One more and he's out of the game, and the refs are quick with the whistle these days.

[nashwade]

it's one game people, move on

[TheMan]

The fouls LeBron got tonight were nothing compared to 80's fouls.

[willds09]

The fouls LeBron got tonight were nothing compared to 80's fouls.
I AGREED:applause:

[Doctor Rivers]

Read my post ass wipe.

Every call I complained about was because it was too weak in terms of physical play. :oldlol:

The only two games I've complained about the reffing this season in a game happen to be the two Chicago games we lost. I guess its because your team somehow managed to assemble the biggest pack of d!ckheads at every position, thus fusing together and creating this giant clusterf*ck of d!ckheads on the same team, that manage to get away with calls better than any other team.

You're probably from Tasmania or something since you're a right knob of an Aussie.

Clown

[La Frescobaldi]

Then you have to hope for rescinded back-court violations, bullshit techincals for you, bullshit off the ball rebounding calls, etc.

Bulls are a bunch of floppers and pansies on the offensive end, then foul the shit out of you on the defensive end. Its like a team full of Tyson Chandlers.

I get to brag about Insidehoops because clearly the Bulls read our threads:
http://207.58.151.151/forum/showthread.php?p=8375066

I called the exact correct strategy on last Saturday, a strategy which worked to perfection last night:


Spurs can beat Heat in a series. So can Pacers. Pacers have a powerful team and this is a point that is very effective against the Heat.

The Heat need to be totally brutalized. Guys need to use real man tactics on LeBron James. Who has body slammed him like Jordan, Bird, Shaq got nightly? Nobody, really.

It's plainly evident that James needs to be beat down hard. But nobody ever touches him. Pacers need to put Psycho T AND Hibs on him and just pulverize LeBron because I severely doubt he can take a '90s Knicks strategy. Double team him for the physicality and let him pass out because he can't even move. And Wade too. For a fact he can't handle punishment such as Bryant gets regularly, his entitlement attitude has always left him crying to refs.

Once again. Where is the Charles Oakley or early Pistons Bob Lanier mentality in this league?

I have also called it in several game threads.

The ancient, immutable truth of tough, physical ball has shown its powerful search-light on several points plainly:

* Wade has been called D Whistle for valid reasons. You of all people have no grounds for yelling about referees, Plowking. Wade has been getting phantom calls for years and that is a disgusting fact plain for all to see.

*James cannot join the Fresco Pantheon of Chamberlain, Jabbar, & Jordan until he meets the same challenges those manly men faced and defeated.

*Heat can certainly be defeated by playoff level teams.

* The NBA must be consistent in their whistles. Physical ball is the best of all - but each game must be treated the same by all referee teams!!


As many threads are pointing out about the end of the Heat streak -
* that was simply 1980s NBA such as Magic, Bernard, Larry Legend had to face nightly -
* Heat can't square up and play hard physical ball without showing their true mentality -
* James has never had to play in a real man's game.

Now then my opinion is the NBA has the opportunity and the challenge here, the path to move to the next level. They can get past the Doneghy scandal and get back to the greatest sport of all. The league was forced to call games the way it has these past seasons because of the absolute, world-wide outrage over a referee shaving points. They had to go through this period of D-Whistle and floppage and phantom calls for Durant because the integrity of the game had been destroyed.
Now is the time to get back to a physical, strong game which everyone loved to watch from clear back in the 60s right through the Shaquillle O'Neal era.

LeBron must examine Jordan & Chamberlain and find that powerful character both of them displayed nightly - they didn't flagrant foul, they didn't stoop to low childish cheap shots, they didn't ask for anything extra from refs - they just asked for all games to be called consistent, so there was a level field.

Only when the League plays at its true powerful, physical level can Lebron James meet his greatest challenge and become what I believe he really has within him ~ one of the greatest of all-time.

[LongLiveTheKing]

32 points on 11-17 shooting. I don't think thy we're that effective.

[willds09]

32 points on 11-17 shooting. I don't think thy we're that effective.
:sleeping :violin: :sleeping:blah :sleeping

[selrahc]

every team needs to do this to him every game. that way lebron will get mad and start crying like a baby and fail to show up in the 4th quarter again.

[Mr. Incredible]

You know you're the best player in the world and on the best team when everyone thinks they've figured you out after 1 loss in 28 games. :roll:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

You know you're the best player in the world and on the best team when everyone thinks they've figured you out after 1 loss in 28 games. :roll:

Oh, so now the regular season doesn't matter..? Lebron fans :oldlol:

[Calabis]

So him running over KH and getting hit hard one time constitutes the jordan rules? LeBron played a good game. ... his teammates folded around him.

[lebeast666]

Oh, so now the regular season doesn't matter..? Lebron fans :oldlol:

Its the playoffs for every team that plays Miami. But for Miami, the playoffs is just weeks away. What don't you guys get? Miami coasts the first half against teams giving it their all. They were eventually gonna lose by doing that

[nathanjizzle]

oh the excuses :roll:

[Shade8780]

Chuck Daily on the 'Jordan Rules',

"The rule was, anytime he went by you, you had to nail him. If he was coming off a screen, nail him. We didn't want to be dirty, I know some people thought we were, but we had to make contact and be very physical."


I think this is the only way teams can hope to slow LeBron down at this point. You have to physically check him every trip down the court, and hope he loses his concentration. If that means giving a flagrant foul, so be it.
It'll never work effectively on LeBron because he still has Wade and Bosh while Jordan only had a young Pippen who was pretty raw.

[willds09]

It'll never work effectively on LeBron because he still has Wade and Bosh while Jordan only had a young Pippen who was pretty raw.
exactly.

[La Frescobaldi]

It'll never work effectively on LeBron because he still has Wade and Bosh while Jordan only had a young Pippen who was pretty raw.
clearly you didn't see the Bosh floppage or the Wade horsecollar and thrown towards the stands

[chips93]

Oh, so now the regular season doesn't matter..? Lebron fans :oldlol:

nobody said that

he said that one loss in 28 games is pretty meaningless

[kNIOKAS]

Yes! We can sacrifice Perkins to constantly foul and flagrant Lebron. That means we get Lebron off his game and Perkins gets fouled out. Win-win for OKC.
That's not what a win-win situation is, and you're a bitch.

[Screamingdoom]

32/7/3 with 4 blocks on 64% shooting :coleman:

[Rondo]

nobody said that

he said that one loss in 28 games is pretty meaningless

Normally I'd agree but I don't think this one can be classed as meaningless.

They were desperate for that record. If it was as meaningless as is being suggested Spoelstra and LeBron wouldn't have been close to tears when it became apparent it was over.

As far as standings goes it's meaningless but mentally it isn't. It's also a massive boost for the Bulls who were handicapped by injuries.

Last night wasn't a meaningless game. Both teams gave their all for that W for a reason.

[ProfessorMurder]

Then you have to hope for rescinded back-court violations, bullshit techincals for you, bullshit off the ball rebounding calls, etc.

Bulls are a bunch of floppers and pansies on the offensive end, then foul the shit out of you on the defensive end. Its like a team full of Tyson Chandlers.

You spelled 'Heat' wrong.

[kshutts1]

So him running over KH and getting hit hard one time constitutes the jordan rules? LeBron played a good game. ... his teammates folded around him.

I wanted to rep this post because it's the first one I've seen that said what I believe - LBJ fouled Hinrich, not the other way around.

Anyway, I'm a huge Bulls fan and it's great to stop the Heat winning streak. I honestly didn't expect the Heat to lose again until the playoffs. That said, whether we have a 100% healthy team or not we are NOT beating the Heat in the playoffs, assuming they are healthy. No one is.

[dh144498]

"jordan rules" on Lebron, :roll:

this is funny. Lebron with real Jordan Rules = crying to be traded/sign with the team that implemented it. :lol

[tomtucker]

Yes! We can sacrifice Perkins to constantly foul and flagrant Lebron. That means we get Lebron off his game and Perkins gets fouled out. Win-win for OKC.

but a loss for basketball and the fans of basketball.......and you will get your own starplayer injuried since the heat will get a scub off the bench to do the same to the other team

[tpols]

32 points on 11-17 shooting. I don't think thy we're that effective.
It didnt matter.. Its about disrupting momentum and flow.

If you let Lebron come at you and dunk on you it riles the whole team up and gives them confidence. Dont even let him get the shot up.

That move by kirk to pull him down when he ducked his shoulder was perfect. Dont even let the ball touch the rim or the backboard. You have to make the basket something that seems hard to hit. Lebron gets into shooting grooves when he makes and ones.. and then his teammates get open looks when he catches fire.

Bulls are smart. This is how you have to play him.

[hitmanyr2k]

I thought the hits on Lebron last night were weaksauce and I can't believe he even got mad at the Taj Gibson foul because Gibson didn't even follow through or do anything malicious. He simply prevented a layup. It was one of the weakest "hard fouls" I've ever seen a player get angry about and the retaliation on Boozer (while funny as hell) was just dumb. Lebron had a good game on paper but a lot of his points came from transition. In the half court he didn't look comfortable at all and he wasn't trusting his jumpshot in the 2nd half. He didn't seem to be in any kind of flow. I'm not sure if the Bulls physical play had to do with much of that since it wasn't as physical as people are making out. It sure as hell wasn't anything close to the pounding Jordan used to get lol.

[dh144498]

I thought the hits on Lebron last night were weaksauce and I can't believe he even got mad at the Taj Gibson foul because Gibson didn't even follow through or do anything malicious. He simply prevented a layup. It was one of the weakest "hard fouls" I've ever seen a player get angry about and the retaliation on Boozer (while funny as hell) was just dumb. Lebron had a good game on paper but a lot of his points came from transition. In the half court he didn't look comfortable at all and he wasn't trusting his jumpshot in the 2nd half. He didn't seem to be in any kind of flow. I'm not sure if the Bulls physical play had to do with much of that since it wasn't as physical as people are making out. It sure as hell wasn't anything close to the pounding Jordan used to get lol.

:applause:

true unbiased post. very nice.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

nobody said that

he said that one loss in 28 games is pretty meaningless

:confusedshrug:

It's only "meaningless" to Lebron and Miami fans because it snapped their streak.

[InfiniteBaskets]

Bulls didn't do anything different last night than what they normally like to do. Play physical defense. It's the reason why Thibs can get a great regular season record with a one all-star team this season.

But it's also the type of ball that leads more injuries. I believe Boozer, Deng, Noah, Bellineli, Hinrich, and Gibson have all sat out games this season due to injuries.

[LikeABosh]

It's not why they won though. Lebron still scored like 30+ on great shooting. Bulls won because Bosh played like a ***** and Boozer abused the boards and Deng and Butler scored well above their averages

[chips93]

Normally I'd agree but I don't think this one can be classed as meaningless.

They were desperate for that record. If it was as meaningless as is being suggested Spoelstra and LeBron wouldn't have been close to tears when it became apparent it was over.

As far as standings goes it's meaningless but mentally it isn't. It's also a massive boost for the Bulls who were handicapped by injuries.

Last night wasn't a meaningless game. Both teams gave their all for that W for a reason.

yeah, meaningless was probably a bit strong, but i dont think that this loss taught us anything about the heat, as some are suggesting. the rest of the league didnt get some kind of blueprint on how to beat the heat from this game.

[Magic 32]

it didnt work, lebron played good but bosh and others missed a bunch of wide open shots

I did work.

And MJ finally conquered the bad boy Pistons by making his teammates better.

Me think Lebron forgot that last night:banana:

[ralph_i_el]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbjc647jvd1qamt4s.jpg

http://i47.tinypic.com/29uy2s6.jpg

errybody getting rustled

[SilkkTheShocker]

If it was a series we would of had Noah...

Your butt would be hurting 10x worse if he was playing tonight.

Stupid butthurt Miami fans with an excuse for everything.

Bulls fans shouldn't be cocky. In the playoffs its always been a different story against LeBron. Ask Rose how he feels about what happened in the ECF.

[TheMan]

I thought the hits on Lebron last night were weaksauce and I can't believe he even got mad at the Taj Gibson foul because Gibson didn't even follow through or do anything malicious. He simply prevented a layup. It was one of the weakest "hard fouls" I've ever seen a player get angry about and the retaliation on Boozer (while funny as hell) was just dumb. Lebron had a good game on paper but a lot of his points came from transition. In the half court he didn't look comfortable at all and he wasn't trusting his jumpshot in the 2nd half. He didn't seem to be in any kind of flow. I'm not sure if the Bulls physical play had to do with much of that since it wasn't as physical as people are making out. It sure as hell wasn't anything close to the pounding Jordan used to get lol.
THIS

These LeBron fans crying about the "rough" treatment he got last night should go back and watch how the Pistons Bad Boys and Riley Knicks went after him.
These stans would faint if any team treated Bron the way MJ was treated:facepalm

[NumberSix]

THIS

These LeBron fans crying about the "rough" treatment he got last night should go back and watch how the Pistons Bad Boys and Riley Knicks went after him.
These stans would faint if any team treated Bron the way MJ was treated:facepalm
Who cares how Jordan was treated? What does that have to do with the games of today?

The difference is that the way MJ was treated was within the rules. The rules have changed. You think people in the 80's and 90's didn't bitch about how soft Jordan had it compared to the 50's and 60's?

Look, I think defensive 3 seconds is a stupid rule, but it's the rules. If you see somebody constantly get away with camping in the paint, you're gonna bitch about it.

It doesn't matter if those fouls weren't flagrants when MJ was playing. By the standards the NBA uses in todays game, they generally are. If you determine a certain criteria for the rules, guys are gonna be upset when those rules aren't enforced. Especially when they get a flagrant on the other end for something as weak as putting your shoulder into a screen.

[TheMan]

Who cares how Jordan was treated? What does that have to do with the games of today?

The difference is that the way MJ was treated was within the rules. The rules have changed. You think people in the 80's and 90's didn't bitch about how soft Jordan had it compared to the 50's and 60's?

Look, I think defensive 3 seconds is a stupid rule, but it's the rules. If you see somebody constantly get away with camping in the paint, you're gonna bitch about it.

It doesn't matter if those fouls weren't flagrants when MJ was playing. By the standards the NBA uses in todays game, they generally are. If you determine a certain criteria for the rules, guys are gonna be upset when those rules aren't enforced. Especially when they get a flagrant on the other end for something as weak as putting your shoulder into a screen.
All I'm saying is that Bron has it easy and you guys should quit bitching. I didn't see any over the top rough play yesterday but since I'm been watching since the mid 80s, I just saw it as hardnosed basketball.

Ever hear about hard fouls? They are still permitted, right? or are you required to step outta the way and let the other guy have a lay up/dunk?

[guy]

Who cares how Jordan was treated? What does that have to do with the games of today?

The difference is that the way MJ was treated was within the rules. The rules have changed. You think people in the 80's and 90's didn't bitch about how soft Jordan had it compared to the 50's and 60's?

Look, I think defensive 3 seconds is a stupid rule, but it's the rules. If you see somebody constantly get away with camping in the paint, you're gonna bitch about it.

It doesn't matter if those fouls weren't flagrants when MJ was playing. By the standards the NBA uses in todays game, they generally are. If you determine a certain criteria for the rules, guys are gonna be upset when those rules aren't enforced. Especially when they get a flagrant on the other end for something as weak as putting your shoulder into a screen.

They weren't flagrant though? Kirk held him and Lebron's momentum took them both down. It wasn't like Kirk grabbed him by the shoulders and threw him down. Taj was clearly going for the ball. What is he supposed to do? Not go for the ball in case he hits someone in the face? The game was clearly physical, but they didn't intentionally try to hurt him.

Lebron's flagrant was CLEARLY intentional. Whether it was weak or not, doesn't really matter much in this case because of his intent.

[NumberSix]

All I'm saying is that Bron has it easy and you guys should quit bitching. I didn't see any over the top rough play yesterday but since I'm been watching since the mid 80s, I just saw it as hardnosed basketball.

Ever hear about hard fouls? They are still permitted, right? or are you required to step outta the way and let the other guy have a lay up/dunk?
Hard fouls are fine, but let's not play dumb here. There would nothing to bitch about if they didn't call that ridiculous flagrant on LeBron for running shoulder first into a screen or Battier getting called for his hand touching Boozer's hip on a rebound he had no chance of getting anyway.

Taj wraps his arm around LeBron's shoulder/collar from behind on a drive. In today's NBA, usually a flagrant. We've certainly seen flagrants for less. But they say just a common foul... Ok, that's fine. They're letting them play physical. But then minutes later they're calling some really weak stuff on the other end.

Come on man. I know you don't like the Heat, but you can't feel good about that. You guys bitched for days about an offensive interference inconsistency. It never feels good to feel like the officiating is inconsistent. There's gotta be consistency.

[tpols]

Who cares how Jordan was treated? What does that have to do with the games of today?

The difference is that the way MJ was treated was within the rules. The rules have changed. You think people in the 80's and 90's didn't bitch about how soft Jordan had it compared to the 50's and 60's?

Look, I think defensive 3 seconds is a stupid rule, but it's the rules. If you see somebody constantly get away with camping in the paint, you're gonna bitch about it.

It doesn't matter if those fouls weren't flagrants when MJ was playing. By the standards the NBA uses in todays game, they generally are. If you determine a certain criteria for the rules, guys are gonna be upset when those rules aren't enforced. Especially when they get a flagrant on the other end for something as weak as putting your shoulder into a screen.
You obviously dont even know the rules to the current era so who would trust you on any type of comparison?

Lebron's 'flagrant' was a non basketball play with intent to hit somebody else. It was retaliation. So it is well within the refs jurisdiction to call the play beyond a normal, routine personal. Shouldve been a tech instead, but they both basically do the same thing.

[NumberSix]

You obviously dont even know the rules to the current era so who would trust you on any type of comparison?

Lebron's 'flagrant' was a non basketball play with intent to hit somebody else. It was retaliation. So it is well within the refs jurisdiction to call the play beyond a normal, routine personal. Shouldve been a tech instead, but they both basically do the same thing.
You obviously missing the point.

I'm not arguing about that particular play. I'm just pointing out that in the context of how much physicality they were letting slide in that game, it's just weird to suddenly call a flagrant on that.

[tpols]

You obviously missing the point.

I'm not arguing about that particular play. I'm just pointing out that in the context of how much physicality they were letting slide in that game, it's just weird to suddenly call a flagrant on that.
They just called a flagrant on CHICAGO the play directly before.

So when they call one on the heat that was fvcking clear as day its unfair?

GTFO.

[Indian guy]

Detroit is the most fundamentally sound defensive team I ever saw when it came to guarding MJ. I don't know where this notion that their game plan was built around beating him up comes from. I've seen every Bulls-Pistons game from 88-93 and that's just some bogus revisionist history. It makes Detroit sound like low IQ goons who didn't know how to play REAL basketball, when in fact, their ridiculously high IQ and defensive skill is why they had so much success against MJ to begin with. In Dumars, you easily had the best 1-on-1 defender MJ ever went up against(aided by hand-checking, of course). Nobody was better at keeping MJ in front of him. And when it came to rotating after providing help on MJ(and they did this all the time in '88 and '89), they had no peers. Even with all the doubles on MJ, it was amazing how few open shots Chicago's shooters generally got. The 88-90 Pistons are easily the most fundamentally sound defense MJ ever faced and that's 70% of the reason why he was so inconsistent against them from '88 to '90. The other 30% being his own stubbornness, because he was better off being a jump shooter (which is what happened in '91) against the schemes Detroit utilized against him, but MJ wanted to prove he could drive against them and that usually led to his inefficiency.

This notion that MJ got "pounded" any time he took it inside against Detroit is a humungous myth. Go and watch any of those games - that's not what was happening. It's actual defense - 1-on-1 D, timely help and perfect rotations - that's what contained MJ.

As far as LeBron's concerned, there's not the slightest history of physical play(hard fouls) having the remotest impact against him in his career. He is more equipped to handle that than any perimeter player in NBA history. The best defensive game plan against LeBron is still overloading his side of the court, shading hard and hoping his 2nd option(the jumper) isn't falling and he isn't being active without the ball - which is what happened in the 2nd half last night. He wasn't aggressive at all after an 'easy' first half, where Chicago mostly single-covered him, before switching their game plan entirely in the 2nd. His passiveness was his own worst enemy.

His complaining last night had more to do with him being the most disrespected star in the game today when it comes to getting fouls. LeBron just doesn't get the calls this year. 7 FTA per game for him is a joke, when he is easily driving more than he ever did in '11 and '12, but is attempting far fewer free throws. Imagine if he was officiated like Durant, Harden or heck, even Kobe, who takes more free throws too! :facepalm

[NumberSix]

They just called a flagrant on CHICAGO the play directly before.

So when they call one on the heat that was fvcking clear as day its unfair?

GTFO.
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Yeah..... and the call got reversed. :hammerhead:


Lol. I mean, Jesus Christ.:oldlol:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Detroit is the most fundamentally sound defensive team I ever saw when it came to guarding MJ. I don't know where this notion that their game plan was built around beating him up comes from. I've seen every Bulls-Pistons game from 88-93 and that's just some bogus revisionist history. It makes Detroit sound like low IQ goons who didn't know how to play REAL basketball, when in fact, their ridiculously high IQ and defensive skill is why they had so much success against MJ to begin with. In Dumars, you easily had the best 1-on-1 defender MJ ever went up against(aided by hand-checking, of course). Nobody was better at keeping MJ in front of him. And when it came to rotating after providing help on MJ(and they did this all the time in '88 and '89), they had no peers. Even with all the doubles on MJ, it was amazing how few open shots Chicago's shooters generally got. The 88-90 Pistons are easily the most fundamentally sound defense MJ ever faced and that's 70% of the reason why he was so inconsistent against them from '88 to '90. The other 30% being his own stubbornness, because he was better off being a jump shooter (which is what happened in '91) against the schemes Detroit utilized against him, but MJ wanted to prove he could drive against them and that usually led to his inefficiency.

This notion that MJ got "pounded" any time he took it inside against Detroit is a humungous myth. Go and watch any of those games - that's not what was happening. It's actual defense - 1-on-1 D, timely help and perfect rotations - that's what contained MJ.

As far as LeBron's concerned, there's not the slightest history of physical play(hard fouls) having the remotest impact against him in his career. He is more equipped to handle that than any perimeter player in NBA history. The best defensive game plan against LeBron is still overloading his side of the court, shading hard and hoping his 2nd option(the jumper) isn't falling and he isn't being active without the ball - which is what happened in the 2nd half last night. He wasn't aggressive at all after an 'easy' first half, where Chicago mostly single-covered him, before switching their game plan entirely in the 2nd. His passiveness was his own worst enemy.

His complaining last night had more to do with him being the most disrespected star in the game today when it comes to getting fouls. LeBron just doesn't get the calls this year. 7 FTA per game for him is a joke, when he is easily driving more than he ever did in '11 and '12, but is attempting far fewer free throws. Imagine if he was officiated like Durant, Harden or heck, even Kobe, who takes more free throws too! :facepalm

You really love Lebron, huh?

[chazzy]

@Indianguy - Melo is the most disrespected. Kobe only takes more FTs because he takes more shots, Lebron has a higher FT rate than him.

[dh144498]

Detroit is the most fundamentally sound defensive team I ever saw when it came to guarding MJ. I don't know where this notion that their game plan was built around beating him up comes from. I've seen every Bulls-Pistons game from 88-93 and that's just some bogus revisionist history. It makes Detroit sound like low IQ goons who didn't know how to play REAL basketball, when in fact, their ridiculously high IQ and defensive skill is why they had so much success against MJ to begin with. In Dumars, you easily had the best 1-on-1 defender MJ ever went up against(aided by hand-checking, of course). Nobody was better at keeping MJ in front of him. And when it came to rotating after providing help on MJ(and they did this all the time in '88 and '89), they had no peers. Even with all the doubles on MJ, it was amazing how few open shots Chicago's shooters generally got. The 88-90 Pistons are easily the most fundamentally sound defense MJ ever faced and that's 70% of the reason why he was so inconsistent against them from '88 to '90. The other 30% being his own stubbornness, because he was better off being a jump shooter (which is what happened in '91) against the schemes Detroit utilized against him, but MJ wanted to prove he could drive against them and that usually led to his inefficiency.

This notion that MJ got "pounded" any time he took it inside against Detroit is a humungous myth. Go and watch any of those games - that's not what was happening. It's actual defense - 1-on-1 D, timely help and perfect rotations - that's what contained MJ.

As far as LeBron's concerned, there's not the slightest history of physical play(hard fouls) having the remotest impact against him in his career. He is more equipped to handle that than any perimeter player in NBA history. The best defensive game plan against LeBron is still overloading his side of the court, shading hard and hoping his 2nd option(the jumper) isn't falling and he isn't being active without the ball - which is what happened in the 2nd half last night. He wasn't aggressive at all after an 'easy' first half, where Chicago mostly single-covered him, before switching their game plan entirely in the 2nd. His passiveness was his own worst enemy.

His complaining last night had more to do with him being the most disrespected star in the game today when it comes to getting fouls. LeBron just doesn't get the calls this year. 7 FTA per game for him is a joke, when he is easily driving more than he ever did in '11 and '12, but is attempting far fewer free throws. Imagine if he was officiated like Durant, Harden or heck, even Kobe, who takes more free throws too! :facepalm


:biggums:
:wtf: :wtf:

[hitmanyr2k]

Yeah..... and the call got reversed. :hammerhead:


Lol. I mean, Jesus Christ.:oldlol:


And that call should have been reversed because there was nothing there malicious. There was no horse-collar takedown, no clothesline, nothing whatsoever. Taj went after the ball and missed hitting Lebron on the shoulder. He didn't even follow through like he could have. I've seen 10x worse than that and the fact that Lebron got mad enough to try to purposely ram Boozer is ridiculous. It's like he expects defenders to let him waltz in the lane, give him a lovetap and so he can get the "And 1" and mug and flex to the crowd or some shit :oldlol:

[LONGTIME]

@Indianguy - Melo is the most disrespected. Kobe only takes more FTs because he takes more shots, Lebron has a higher FT rate than him.

Nah, Westbrook is.

[NumberSix]

And that call should have been reversed because there was nothing there malicious. There was no horse-collar takedown, no clothesline, nothing whatsoever. Taj went after the ball and missed hitting Lebron on the shoulder. He didn't even follow through like he could have. I've seen 10x worse than that and the fact that Lebron got mad enough to try to purposely ram Boozer is ridiculous. It's like he expects defenders to let him waltz in the lane, give him a lovetap and so he can get the "And 1" and mug and flex to the crowd or some shit :oldlol:
You're seriously gonna act like he "went for the ball"?

Look at his face. He's not even looking at LeBron or the ball. He's looking out into the crowd. It's just a coincidence that his hand was remotely in the area of the ball. The intent seems pretty obvious.

http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/lbj-missed-flagrant.gif

You gotta be pretty biased to think that isn't a flagrant foul.

[Hoopz2332]

You're seriously gonna act like he "went for the ball"?

Look at his face. He's not even looking at LeBron or the ball. He's looking out into the crowd. It's just a coincidence that his hand was remotely in the area of the ball. The intent seems pretty obvious.

http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/lbj-missed-flagrant.gif

You gotta be pretty biased to think that isn't a flagrant foul.


cosign

[TheMan]

You're seriously gonna act like he "went for the ball"?

Look at his face. He's not even looking at LeBron or the ball. He's looking out into the crowd. It's just a coincidence that his hand was remotely in the area of the ball. The intent seems pretty obvious.

http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/lbj-missed-flagrant.gif

You gotta be pretty biased to think that isn't a flagrant foul.
Even if the refs missed the call and it should've been a FF, it's not overtly dirty. You gotta make the offensive player shoot FTs. Hoops 101

[bdreason]

The Hinrich foul should have been a flagrant by rule. He was falling down, made no play on the ball, and just decided to drag LeBron down with him.



That said, I have no problem with the Bulls strategy, and no problem with physical ball. I just found it interesting that a team finally decided to step to LeBron physically... which isn't an easy task. A team like the Pacers should take note.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Congrats on the Bulls for winning their championship.

[ripthekik]

Detroit is the most fundamentally sound defensive team I ever saw when it came to guarding MJ. I don't know where this notion that their game plan was built around beating him up comes from. I've seen every Bulls-Pistons game from 88-93 and that's just some bogus revisionist history. It makes Detroit sound like low IQ goons who didn't know how to play REAL basketball, when in fact, their ridiculously high IQ and defensive skill is why they had so much success against MJ to begin with. In Dumars, you easily had the best 1-on-1 defender MJ ever went up against(aided by hand-checking, of course). Nobody was better at keeping MJ in front of him. And when it came to rotating after providing help on MJ(and they did this all the time in '88 and '89), they had no peers. Even with all the doubles on MJ, it was amazing how few open shots Chicago's shooters generally got. The 88-90 Pistons are easily the most fundamentally sound defense MJ ever faced and that's 70% of the reason why he was so inconsistent against them from '88 to '90. The other 30% being his own stubbornness, because he was better off being a jump shooter (which is what happened in '91) against the schemes Detroit utilized against him, but MJ wanted to prove he could drive against them and that usually led to his inefficiency.

This notion that MJ got "pounded" any time he took it inside against Detroit is a humungous myth. Go and watch any of those games - that's not what was happening. It's actual defense - 1-on-1 D, timely help and perfect rotations - that's what contained MJ.

As far as LeBron's concerned, there's not the slightest history of physical play(hard fouls) having the remotest impact against him in his career. He is more equipped to handle that than any perimeter player in NBA history. The best defensive game plan against LeBron is still overloading his side of the court, shading hard and hoping his 2nd option(the jumper) isn't falling and he isn't being active without the ball - which is what happened in the 2nd half last night. He wasn't aggressive at all after an 'easy' first half, where Chicago mostly single-covered him, before switching their game plan entirely in the 2nd. His passiveness was his own worst enemy.

His complaining last night had more to do with him being the most disrespected star in the game today when it comes to getting fouls. LeBron just doesn't get the calls this year. 7 FTA per game for him is a joke, when he is easily driving more than he ever did in '11 and '12, but is attempting far fewer free throws. Imagine if he was officiated like Durant, Harden or heck, even Kobe, who takes more free throws too! :facepalm
holy shiit.. this guy here, pauk, and numbersix showing their unbelievable love for lebron james :facepalm :facepalm

i bet their rooms all look like this:
http://www.lebronjames.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/lbj-mandy-lrg.jpg

[SilkkTheShocker]

holy shiit.. this guy here, pauk, and numbersix showing their unbelievable love for lebron james :facepalm :facepalm

i bet their rooms all look like this:
http://www.lebronjames.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/lbj-mandy-lrg.jpg

That white hat is ****ing fire. Need to find that ASAP.

[dh144498]

holy shiit.. this guy here, pauk, and numbersix showing their unbelievable love for lebron james :facepalm :facepalm

i bet their rooms all look like this:
http://www.lebronjames.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/lbj-mandy-lrg.jpg


:lol :lol

my favorite poster. :bowdown:

the bed should be a small racecar bed and it'll be most realistic. :oldlol:

[riseagainst]

holy shiit.. this guy here, pauk, and numbersix showing their unbelievable love for lebron james :facepalm :facepalm

i bet their rooms all look like this:
http://www.lebronjames.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/lbj-mandy-lrg.jpg


:oldlol:

[ripthekik]

or possibly:

http://s14.postimg.org/i6f8d0om7/lrg_room_original_crop_exact.jpg

[hitmanyr2k]

You're seriously gonna act like he "went for the ball"?

Look at his face. He's not even looking at LeBron or the ball. He's looking out into the crowd. It's just a coincidence that his hand was remotely in the area of the ball. The intent seems pretty obvious.

http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/lbj-missed-flagrant.gif

You gotta be pretty biased to think that isn't a flagrant foul.

I'm still looking for the flagrant. Like I said before, there's nothing malicious there. There's no clothesline, no horse-collar, no follow through whatsoever by Gibson. People are acting like Gibson grabbed Lebron around the neck and slammed him to the floor or something. I've seen a lot worse than that. It wasn't worth a flagrant. That's an ordinary playoff type foul.

[Euroleague]

This is how games are in Euroleague. This is how games are played in FIBA and Olympics when Team USA isn't playing.

This is how games USED to be in the NBA and USED to be in FIBA and the Olympics before they started pussyfying all the rules for all these "NBA superstars". But no..................not a single international team has been allowed to play defense on Team USA since that last loss in 2006.

What a little bitch LeBron is. What a freaking JOKE he is.

Boo freakity hoo.

He has to play this game with real reffing and had to play 2004 Olympics and 2006 World Cup with real reffing................poor LeBron folds like the paper tiger he really is.

PATHETIC.

This just proves how big of a joke the current NBA is where everything is totally dictated and controlled by Stern and his refs. They would have eaten this bitch LeBron alive back in the 80s and 90s NBA era.

But now he is 100% protected by Stern and his refs...........except for this game, and the "King" is bitching like a little baby. Unbelievable how pathetic the NBA has become under 20 plus years of Stern.

[dh144498]

This is how games are in Euroleague. This is how games are played in FIBA and Olympics when Team USA isn't playing.

This is how games USED to be in the NBA and USED to be in FIBA and the Olympics before they started pussyfying all the rules for all these "NBA superstars". But no..................not a single international team has been allowed to play defense on Team USA since that last loss in 2006.

What a little bitch LeBron is. What a freaking JOKE he is.

Boo freakity hoo.

He has to play this game with real reffing and had to play 2004 Olympics and 2006 World Cup with real reffing................poor LeBron folds like the paper tiger he really is.

PATHETIC.

This just proves how big of a joke the current NBA is where everything is totally dictated and controlled by Stern and his refs. They would have eaten this bitch LeBron alive back in the 80s and 90s NBA era.

But now he is 100% protected by Stern and his refs...........except for this game, and the "King" is bitching like a little baby. Unbelievable how pathetic the NBA has become under 20 plus years of Stern.


:lol
:applause:

[TheMan]

To be fair, James is part of the generation of players who gets pissed off if you touch them, he's not the only one. More fault should go to the NBA for making it the soft league it is today.

[Hoopz2332]

To be fair, James is part of the generation of players who gets pissed off if you touch them, he's not the only one. More fault should go to the NBA for making it the soft league it is today.


lebron gets hacked all game every game without being rewarded for it and he's never lost his cool before last night. Imgaine if lebron got the Durant FT treatmant? he would shoot 10-15 ft's a game:coleman:

[D.J.]

This is absolutely not even close to the Jordan rules. Jordan got hacked way harder. If anyone tried one of those fouls on LeBron, it would be an automatic flagrant 2.



This is how games are in Euroleague. This is how games are played in FIBA and Olympics when Team USA isn't playing.

This is how games USED to be in the NBA and USED to be in FIBA and the Olympics before they started pussyfying all the rules for all these "NBA superstars". But no..................not a single international team has been allowed to play defense on Team USA since that last loss in 2006.

What a little bitch LeBron is. What a freaking JOKE he is.

Boo freakity hoo.

He has to play this game with real reffing and had to play 2004 Olympics and 2006 World Cup with real reffing................poor LeBron folds like the paper tiger he really is.

PATHETIC.

This just proves how big of a joke the current NBA is where everything is totally dictated and controlled by Stern and his refs. They would have eaten this bitch LeBron alive back in the 80s and 90s NBA era.

But now he is 100% protected by Stern and his refs...........except for this game, and the "King" is bitching like a little baby. Unbelievable how pathetic the NBA has become under 20 plus years of Stern.


Can't believe I'm actually agreeing with one of Euroleague's posts.

[vert48]

lebron gets hacked all game every game without being rewarded for it and he's never lost his cool before last night. Imgaine if lebron got the Durant FT treatmant? he would shoot 10-15 ft's a game:coleman:
LeBron made a deal with Satan. Others are allowed to get away with hacking him some, and LeBron gets away with moving his pivot foot on every possession.

[Indian guy]

LeBron made a deal with Satan. Others are allowed to get away with hacking him some, and LeBron gets away with moving his pivot foot on every possession.

You sure you aren't talking about Kobe? Kobe's pivot foot slides over every time he makes a move from the triple threat. It makes for a 'bouncier' first step and it's something he's been doing from Day 1.

And how sad is it that your entire schtick on this board revolves around something the refs are "missing" any time someone points towards bad officiating? I don't think I've ever seen you make a post on this board that isn't along on those lines. One of more pathetic Laker trolls of this board, which is saying something.

[NumberSix]

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