Is Kobe the greatest Laker ever?

[I<3NBA]

No.

LA gave more to Kobe than Kobe gave to LA. in fact, Kobe took from LA (a couple of rings they could've had if he wasn't such a diva and ran out Shaq)

Will they be building statues of Kobe Bryant in Staples Center anytime soon?

No.

Is he the most overrated superstar in NBA history?

yes.

but is he a superstar? yes.

if Kobe isn't the greatest Laker, then how much more the greatest NBA player?

just the facts boys. face it. i know the truth is always hard.

[LongLiveTheKing]

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[NumberSix]

No

[senelcoolidge]

He's a top 3 laker and that's being nice.

[elementally morale]

Laker fans: to some of them he is, to most of them he will be
Non-Laker Fans: he is not

Laker fans: the majority of Laker fans older than 30 will never put Kobe up there, because they fell in love with Showtime. Nothing beats adolescent worship. Laker fans who are 25 or younger will mostly have Kobe as the greatest Laker ever -- if they don't already. Between ages 25-35 there is actually a debate.

As for non-Laker fans: it's a lot easier to hate the present team if it has a player that is NOT the greatest Laker of all time. :oldlol: It's called cognitive dissonance reduction.

As for me: I think he will end up the greratest Laker of all time. Not the best thoughj. He is not the greatest yet, but if he keeps playing another 4-5 years he will be. The best he wil not be.

[unbreakable]

If he gets #6 you HAVE to say he's the greatest..

as it is.. hes 1c with Magic 1a Kareem 1b

[tazb]

Long answer: Hell nah.

Short answer: No.

[Rysio]

is jordan the greatest bull ever?

[dh144498]

Is he the most overrated superstar in NBA history?

yes.


I thought you were just trolling until I saw your avatar, another lebron d1ckrider. :oldlol:

[zizozain]

No.

1- Kareem
2- Magic
3- Kobe

but all three of them are top 5 all-time

[ripthekik]

yeap he's not. no shame, when the 2 lakers guys in front of him are also top 5 all time.

[oh the horror]

No.

LA gave more to Kobe than Kobe gave to LA. in fact, Kobe took from LA (a couple of rings they could've had if he wasn't such a diva and ran out Shaq)

Will they be building statues of Kobe Bryant in Staples Center anytime soon?

No.

Is he the most overrated superstar in NBA history?

yes.

but is he a superstar? yes.

if Kobe isn't the greatest Laker, then how much more the greatest NBA player?

just the facts boys. face it. i know the truth is always hard.



So you started this thread to have a conversation with yourself?

[NumberSix]

yeap he's not. no shame, when the 2 lakers guys in front of him are also top 5 all time.
For once you say something that's correct with perfectly reasonable explanation.

[ripthekik]

For once you say something that's correct with perfectly reasonable explanation.
thanks for agreeing with me.

[Deuce Bigalow]

One thing that is a non debatable fact is that Kobe will be getting a statue.

Lakers franchise records that Kobe holds:
Most seasons played
17 (1996

[crisoner]

Honestly....

Yes. Numbers do not lie.

But it will always be Magic for me!!!

[elementally morale]

One thing that is a non debatable fact is that Kobe will be getting a statue.

Kobe is going to become the greatest Laker ever. Not overnight, but 10 years from now the general consensus will have him as the best player and a top 5 player ever.

Basketball diehards will favor Magic and Kareem, some of them Shaq, too. But to people in general... it's Kobe. And greatest Laker is determined by the fanbase, not some experts.

Should Kobe play 4-5 more years, he is the greatest laker ever and top 5 GOAT. Especially so if he somehow ends up with another ring (not likely but I wouldn't rule it out) and becomes #1 in total ponits scored.

[caliman]

No he isn't.

[senelcoolidge]

amassing stats does not really make you the greatest..so he's not. Top 3 and that is being lenient.

[Xiao Yao You]

Magic no question.

[Nevaeh]

Kobe is going to become the greatest Laker ever. Not overnight, but 10 years from now the general consensus will have him as the best player and a top 5 player ever.

Basketball diehards will favor Magic and Kareem, some of them Shaq, too. But to people in general... it's Kobe. And greatest Laker is determined by the fanbase, not some experts.

Should Kobe play 4-5 more years, he is the greatest laker ever and top 5 GOAT. Especially so if he somehow ends up with another ring (not likely but I wouldn't rule it out) and becomes #1 in total ponits scored.

So Kobe will have to play 20+ years to be considered the Greatest Laker, where as it only took Magic 12 full seasons.

http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif

If KB hasn't achieved that distinction by now, then it ain't happenin', champ.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

So Kobe will have to play 20+ years to be considered the Greatest Laker, where as it only took Magic 12 full seasons.

http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif

If KB hasn't achieved that distinction by now, then it ain't happenin', champ.
He meant indisputable.

[elementally morale]

So Kobe will have to play 20+ years to be considered the Greatest Laker, where as it only took Magic 12 full seasons.


Yes. Magic was a better player, that's exactly why. If you walk slower it takes more time to cover the same distance, you know. Kobe needs more time, but he is going to get there on longevity.

This is the way it works. The general consensus will think of him as the greatest Laker ever in less than 10 years. Basketball diehards will discucc it over and over, but the fanbase will have him as Laker #1.

[coin24]

Lord godbe is numero uno:bowdown: :bowdown:

[SacJB Shady]

Kobe is arguably the greatest athlete in history of sports

[tazb]

Kobe is arguably the greatest athlete in history of sports

.........:wtf: care to explain your thinking please.

[dh144498]

No.

1- Kareem
2- Magic
3- Kobe

but all three of them are top 5 all-time

this. :applause:

[livingby3's]

.........:wtf: care to explain your thinking please.

It's ok you dont have to hear it. Just ask Shady to shut the fcuk up.

[Doctor Rivers]

So Kobe will have to play 20+ years to be considered the Greatest Laker, where as it only took Magic 12 full seasons.

http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif

If KB hasn't achieved that distinction by now, then it ain't happenin', champ.

Why are you always so angry when it comes to Kobe?

[Big#50]

Magic is. Kobe is right behind him. KAJ did a lot of his damage before joining LA.

[SacJB Shady]

.........:wtf: care to explain your thinking please.


Because Jordan was athlete of the last century and if Kobe really is better than Jordan you have a case

[Myth]

Kobe is only in the discussion because of the length of his career on the Lakers. Kareem and Magic did as much in less time. Kobe will get a statue though (and Shaq should as well).

[selrahc]

kobe is the GOAT, so obviously he is the greatest laker

[maybeshewill13]

If you really think KoMe is the greatest Laker ever, what an embarrassment to that franchise.

[SacJB Shady]

kobe is the GOAT, so obviously he is the greatest laker


greatest athlete in history, right?

[dazzer87]

If you really think KoMe is the greatest Laker ever, what an embarrassment to that franchise.
Cause more of Kobe stans werent born when Magic and Kareem were playing.

[maybeshewill13]

People heralding a rapist, homophobic chucker as the GOAT Laker.. Goes to show the kind of class the Lakers franchise possess :facepalm

[selrahc]

greatest athlete in history, right?

of course

[DixieNourmous]

Kareem
Magic
Kobe
Elgin Baylor
Jerry West
Shaq
Wilt Chamberlain ( higher ranked in in total NBA career played onother teams)
George Mikan
James Worthy
Jamaal Wilkes
Gail Goodrich


My picks http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/188062/obama-picks-nose-o.gif

[9erempiree]

Kobe is easily the greatest Laker and there were a lot of great players.

He brought a lot to the franchise. Magic didn't bring Laker fans in from other cities.

Every different city Kobe plays in, there are tons of Kobe jerseys and Laker jerseys. This wasn't the case just 10 years ago.

[SacJB Shady]

of course


We're on the same page

[SacJB Shady]

Kobe is easily the greatest Laker and there were a lot of great players.

He brought a lot to the franchise. Magic didn't bring Laker fans in from other cities.

Every different city Kobe plays in, there are tons of Kobe jerseys and Laker jerseys. This wasn't the case just 10 years ago.


He won more championships than Shaq and Shaq had Wade

[longtime lurker]

Yes he will be considered the greatest Laker when it's all said and done. But just because he's the greatest Laker doesn't make him a greater player than Magic and Kareem.

[MMM]

Jerry West is the greatest Laker, won two titles then help build a mini Laker dynasty as GM

[BlackVVaves]

Yes he will be considered the greatest Laker when it's all said and done. But just because he's the greatest Laker doesn't make him a greater player than Magic and Kareem.

One of the more sensible statements in this thread. I concur.

[maybeshewill13]

Kobe is easily the greatest Laker and there were a lot of great players.

He brought a lot to the franchise. Magic didn't bring Laker fans in from other cities.

Every different city Kobe plays in, there are tons of Kobe jerseys and Laker jerseys. This wasn't the case just 10 years ago.
Ermm didn't you just make a thread last week saying KAJ was the greatest of all time? Or do you type so much shit you've forgotten that already? Boring troll :sleeping

[9erempiree]

Ermm didn't you just make a thread last week saying KAJ was the greatest of all time? Or do you type so much shit you've forgotten that already? Boring troll :sleeping

Pathetic is going to pathetic.

KAJ is the greatest of all time but since you don't know much about basketball being an Aussie that you are, I will explain.

KAJ didn't even play that long with the Lakers compared to Kobe.

It's like saying Karl Malone is the greatest scorer in Lakers history because he wore a Laker uniform.

If you are going to come at me, please show more effort.

[maybeshewill13]

Pathetic is going to pathetic.

KAJ is the greatest of all time but since you don't know much about basketball being an Aussie that you are, I will explain.

KAJ didn't even play that long with the Lakers compared to Kobe.

It's like saying Karl Malone is the greatest scorer in Lakers history because he wore a Laker uniform.

If you are going to come at me, please show more effort.

Yep, just ignore the greatest PG of all time too while you're at it :sleeping KAJ was a far better Laker than Kobe could ever wish to be, and he did it in a much shorter time. Same with Shaq. There are 3 better Lakers in history than your rapist, homophobic, chucking god.

[DatAsh]

But just because he's the greatest Laker doesn't make him a greater player than Magic

That doesn't make any sense, unless you want to start getting into non-basketball related criteria, like money, fame, ect..

If 13 years of Magic Johnson as an NBA player are more valuable than 17-20 years of Kobe Bryant as an NBA player, then 13 years of Magic Johnson as a Laker are more valuable than 17-20 years of Kobe Bryant as a Laker, and vice versa. Of course , I'm speaking strictly in terms of basketball related impact, which is all that should really matter.

[tpols]

That doesn't make any sense, unless you want to start getting into non-basketball related criteria, like money, fame, ect..

If 13 years of Magic Johnson as an NBA player are more valuable than 17-20 years of Kobe Bryant as an NBA player, then 13 years of Magic Johnson as a Laker are more valuable than 17-20 years of Kobe Bryant as a Laker, and vice versa. Of course , I'm speaking strictly in terms of basketball related impact, which is all that should really matter.
Not true if Kobe ends up with the longest career as a laker ever.. Most points, rebounds, other stats, etc. as a laker. That matters in a discussion about greatest laker ever and not player because kobe is not those things compared to everyone on every team but he is on the Lakers.

[Kovach]

Magic didn't bring Laker fans in from other cities.

:lol

[Xiao Yao You]

:lol

Exactly! When the Jazz sucked in the early 80's the Lakers were one of the handful of sell-outs in the old Salt Palace. One of the few home games televised at that time too.

[havoc33]

You could make a case for Kobe as the greatest Laker ever after the championship in 2010. As a matter of fact, Magic himself already did at that time. I don't see how extending your career and playing at a very high level after you should have faded away can HURT your chances in that discussion.

[FPJ]

Greatest Laker means most apreciated by the fans. You dont have to be the best player to ever play for the Lakers. Fact is there are a few "greatest Laker ever" players. For some its Kobe, for some its Magic, for some its even Shaq.

This is like asking which is the better color, blue, red or yellow.

[willds09]

yo phuck dis shit im out, bish ass administrator taking off my threads cuz hes mad I was showing proof that tha miami cheat was given their rings and didnt deserving it last season, I proved that their bish, pamperd, fruit lotioned up ass iz overrated, overrated like jay z, lil wayne, and all of them garbage ass rappers out there.. Mrs. Jeff you puhcee just like david stern, tha refs and tha NBA front staff... phuck dat, dis is officially my last post, knicks, laker, thunder and kobe fans keep your heads up (especially knicks fans), and if you are knicks haters, wade,lebron, and bosh fans? then phuck yall and kiss my ass, true phucking story, and if you hate me in general? then phuck you too, your girl, your aunt, your sister and your momma as well. itz been fun here for tha last five years but remember my bold prediction knicks will win tha championship this year, and remember this shit below too, Im out, phuck ish.. .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYNTmEYSMvY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=FvMG7mZGo04
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GewuhAx6o8

[esiotrot]

yo phuck dis shit im out, bish ass administrator taking off my threads cuz hes mad I was showing proof that tha miami cheat was given their rings and didnt deserving it last season, I proved that their bish, pamperd, fruit lotioned up ass iz overrated, overrated like jay z, lil wayne, and all of them garbage ass rappers out there.. Mrs. Jeff you puhcee just like david stern, tha refs and tha NBA front staff... phuck dat, dis is officially my last post, knicks, laker, thunder and kobe fans keep your heads up (especially knicks fans), and if you are knicks haters, wade,lebron, and bosh fans? then phuck yall and kiss my ass, true phucking story, and if you hate me in general? then phuck you too, your girl, your aunt, your sister and your momma as well. itz been fun here for tha last five years but remember my bold prediction knicks will win tha championship this year, and remember this shit below too, Im out, phuck ish.. .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYNTmEYSMvY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=FvMG7mZGo04
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GewuhAx6o8

Did you graduate high school though?

[I<3NBA]

can't be the greatest Laker ever if you tried jumping ship when the team was at its lowest.

[dh144498]

can't be the greatest Laker ever if you tried jumping ship when the team was at its lowest.

it's ok, your boy Lebron won't even crack the top 10 GOAT for joining 2 other top 5 players in their primes.

[Ne 1]

When it's all said and done I think Kobe will be remembered as the greatest Laker. Right now he's right up there with Magic/Kareem, basically a 3 way tie. Another championship before he retires would put him on top by himself IMO.

When he retires for a long time he'll be the Lakers all-time leading scorer, the longest tenured player in Lakers history, most games played in a Lakers uniform etc. etc. And most importantly if he wins another ring he won more championships with the Lakers than Kareem/Magic.

[rmt]

Magic didn't bring Laker fans in from other cities.


I beg to differ. Even I was a fan of Showtime. He had a smile to light up the building and all those battles with LA - then the ascension of MJ - the NBA will never be as popular as back then. Can't imagine what it would have been like then with the satellite, cable, internet, etc they have now.

Magic is listed higher on most people's GOAT lists and spent his entire career as a Laker (unlike KAJ and Wilt) so logically Magic is the greatest Laker.

[rmt]

When it's all said and done I think Kobe will be remembered as the greatest Laker. Right now he's right up there with Magic/Kareem, basically a 3 way tie. Another championship before he retires would put him on top by himself IMO.

When he retires for a long time he'll be the Lakers all-time leading scorer, the longest tenured player in Lakers history, most games played in a Lakers uniform etc. etc. And most importantly if he wins another ring he won more championships with the Lakers than Kareem/Magic.

Do you honestly believe he'll win another championship with the Lakers? Good luck to you - this team ain't winning anything and there's no time to rebuild - (no draft picks) so unless another GM does ANOTHER STUPID move .... The only way I see him winning is leaving the Lakers and playing on a contender for peanuts (with the CBA the way it is now).

[I<3NBA]

it's ok, your boy Lebron won't even crack the top 10 GOAT for joining 2 other top 5 players in their primes.
do you realize how stupid "top 10 GOAT" sounds?

if it's "greatest of all time," then having more than 1 is stupid right? let alone 10 :lol

[dh144498]

do you realize how stupid "top 10 GOAT" sounds?

if it's "greatest of all time," then having more than 1 is stupid right? let alone 10 :lol

top 10 greatest of all time. sounds perfectly fine to me. :rolleyes:

[Xiao Yao You]

When it's all said and done I think Kobe will be remembered as the greatest Laker. Right now he's right up there with Magic/Kareem, basically a 3 way tie. Another championship before he retires would put him on top by himself IMO.


Another title? Hope about another lottery? :wtf:

[Shepseskaf]

Yes. Magic was a better player, that's exactly why. If you walk slower it takes more time to cover the same distance, you know. Kobe needs more time, but he is going to get there on longevity.

This is the way it works. The general consensus will think of him as the greatest Laker ever in less than 10 years. Basketball diehards will discucc it over and over, but the fanbase will have him as Laker #1.
In other words, Kobe is a stat compiler and his #1 Laker status will eventually be acknowledged because of the sheer weight of all the numbers he's put up?

You couldn't be more wrong. Stat compiling is not a true method of validating greatness. What Kobe has done is sustained a high level of play for longer than most.

I'm not knocking him, but no matter what he does he won't pass either Magic or Kareem, imo.

[elementally morale]

One of the more sensible statements in this thread. I concur.

That's what I said. :cheers:

[elementally morale]

I'm not knocking him, but no matter what he does he won't pass either Magic or Kareem, imo.


He won't pass them on the scorecards of hardcore basketball fans, especially if they are not Laker fans. But I'll give you he won't even pass Magic and Kareem on the scorecard of hardcore Laker fans either. But there aren't that many hardcore fans.

The casual fans (i.e.: the majotrity of the fanbase) is going to have him as #1 within not too many years. Older fans go out of fashion (first) and life (second). Plus the media. Plus the body of work.

Personally, I think I am going to put Kobe at #1 if he keeps playing a few more years. He is not better than either Magic or Kareem were, but we are talking about greatest Laker and not best ever Laker here. The best ever Laker was Magic. The best player the Lakers had was either Kareem or Wilt. The best player at his peak the Lakers had was probably Shaq. But the greatest Laker is going to be Kobe.

I hope you can see the difference.

[dh144498]

In other words, Kobe is a stat compiler and his #1 Laker status will eventually be acknowledged because of the sheer weight of all the numbers he's put up?

You couldn't be more wrong. Stat compiling is not a true method of validating greatness. What Kobe has done is sustained a high level of play for longer than most.

I'm not knocking him, but no matter what he does he won't pass either Magic or Kareem, imo.

:biggums:

so what you are saying is that everything when comparing players should be based on their best year/years and shouldn't be a compilation of things over a sustained period of time? If that's the case, Shaq is the greatest Laker.

[Shepseskaf]

He won't pass them on the scorecards of hardcore basketball fans, especially if they are not Laker fans. But I'll give you he won't even pass Magic and Kareem on the scorecard of hardcore Laker fans either. But there aren't that many hardcore fans.

The casual fans (i.e.: the majotrity of the fanbase) is going to have him as #1 within not too many years. Older fans go out of fashion (first) and life (second). Plus the media. Plus the body of work.

Personally, I think I am going to put Kobe at #1 if he keeps playing a few more years. He is not better than either Magic or Kareem were, but we are talking about greatest Laker and not best ever Laker here. The best ever Laker was Magic. The best player the Lakers had was either Kareem or Wilt. The best player at his peak the Lakers had was probably Shaq. But the greatest Laker is going to be Kobe.

I hope you can see the difference.
I understand your points; I just disagree with them. Your first assumption seems to be that the assignation of #1 Laker status should be validated by casual fans, rather than those you described as 'hardcore'.

I'll place my bets with the 'hardcore' element, which is, of course, much better informed than the casual element.

Secondly, I have noted your arguments about longevity. You're trying to elevate that factor, while attempting to de-emphasize the individual greatness of a given player.

In other words, you feel that Kobe's accumulated stats more than make up for the fact that he's a lesser player than either Kareem or Magic.

I disagree, whether the discussion is about the greatest players of all-time or the greatest Laker of all-time.

[Shepseskaf]

:biggums:

so what you are saying is that everything when comparing players should be based on their best year/years and shouldn't be a compilation of things over a sustained period of time? If that's the case, Shaq is the greatest Laker.
No, what I'm saying is that more than one factor has to be weighed when promoting a player as the best of anything. How good the player was in their prime is one factor. How long a player has sustained his level of excellence with one team is another.

The basis of this discussion is that people disagree on how much weight to place on either main factor.

[elementally morale]

I understand your points; I just disagree with them.

Sure, it's OK.

We shall see in 10 years. I think Kobe is going to be top 5 GOAT and #1 Laker by the general consensus. I personally doubt I'll have him in the top 5 ever, but I think I'll give him the title 'greatest Laker ever' if he plays 20+ years as a Laker, wins the most rings as a Laker and holds almost every Laker record.

But I have no problem with anyone thinking otherwise. These are not facts, just opinions.

[dh144498]

Sure, it's OK.

We shall see in 10 years. I think Kobe is going to be top 5 GOAT and #1 Laker by the general consensus. I personally doubt I'll have him in the top 5 ever, but I think I'll give him the title 'greatest Laker ever' if he plays 20+ years as a Laker, wins the most rings as a Laker and holds almost every Laker record.

But I have no problem with anyone thinking otherwise. These are not facts, just opinions.

i'm gonna bookmark this and come back in 10 years.

[Odinn]

1. Magic Johnson
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Jerry West
5. Shaquille O'Neal

[Shepseskaf]

We shall see in 10 years.
Cool with me.

But is ISH going to be around in 10 years?

[elementally morale]

Cool with me.

But is ISH going to be around in 10 years?

Why not? It's not like Jeff is going to get extremely tired by the amount of work he puts in... :oldlol:
I've been posting 'here' for more than 10 years now.

[Shepseskaf]

Why not? It's not like Jeff is going to get extremely tired by the amount of work he puts in... :oldlol:
I've been posting 'here' for more than 10 years now.
I hear that. Nice 'compliment' for Jeff, by the way.

[TheBigVeto]

Definitely not.
/thread

[I<3NBA]

top 10 greatest of all time. sounds perfectly fine to me. :rolleyes:
that's because you're a moron.

[longtime lurker]

That doesn't make any sense, unless you want to start getting into non-basketball related criteria, like money, fame, ect..

If 13 years of Magic Johnson as an NBA player are more valuable than 17-20 years of Kobe Bryant as an NBA player, then 13 years of Magic Johnson as a Laker are more valuable than 17-20 years of Kobe Bryant as a Laker, and vice versa. Of course , I'm speaking strictly in terms of basketball related impact, which is all that should really matter.

Well when it's all said and done Kobe will have numerous Lakers records, all time records blah blah blah and would have helped deliver the same amount of titles to the Lakers as Magic. In terms of legacy he will go down as the greatest Laker but that doesn't mean he was the better player.

[Stringer Bell]

Kobe= beat opposing teams
Magic= beat AIDS and opposing teams

Magic wins.

No seriously, Magic was the better player and achieved so much in his 12 and a half seasons. He's #1.

[secund2nun]

Most overrated athlete in modern history? Yes

[riseagainst]

Magic is the greatest Laker. But OP is still a fakkit.

[TheMarkMadsen]

When it's all said in down he probably goes down as the greatest laker ever.

Jerry & magic would agree

[NumberSix]

Jerry West is the greatest lakers.

[Crafty]

Kobe= beat opposing teams
Magic= beat AIDS and opposing teams

Magic wins.

No seriously, Magic was the better player and achieved so much in his 12 and a half seasons. He's #1.

:oldlol:

[Andrei89]

No, he is not.

But, for once I agree with Ripthekik ( for the most part), no shame in being behind two who are top 5 all time.

I do disagree with Rip that Kobe is in the top 5. Don't be ridiculous.

[TheMarkMadsen]

No, he is not.

But, for once I agree with Ripthekik ( for the most part), no shame in being behind two who are top 5 all time.

I do disagree with Rip that Kobe is in the top 5. Don't be ridiculous.


it's not ridiculous when NBA legends call him a top 5 player ever

he'll retire with a very strong case for top 5

[MrC1991]

Magic is the greatest Laker and then Kareem or Jerry west. Kobe is 3rd. No shame in that though.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Magic is the greatest Laker and then Kareem or Jerry west. Kobe is 3rd. No shame in that though.

Jerry admits that Kobe was better, Jerry has no real argument over Kobe imo, especially as a Laker, Kobe's been a major factor in 5 championships for the Lakers organization

West is one of Kobe's biggest fans and considers him the greatest Laker ever.

[Bush4Ever]

The only match for him is Magic, who I would indeed rank above Kobe, largely on the strength of him being a better player.

It is close though. The ring stuff and roles largely wash out, IMO.

Kobe has Magic on tenure and volume production, while Magic wins out in terms of being a better player (in and around prime).

[HOoopCityJones]

It's funny because half of you wanna act like whoever doesn't say Magic or Kareem is being a biased Kobe fan, but when you consider the FACTS, saying anyone over Kobe as GOAT Laker is being biased in itself.

Kareem was a Buck originally, won a ring with them in his prime.

Magic caught AIDS, so who knows how far in he would of went, idc if his career was cut short by the sickness, that's consolation prize shit, and it's not like he loses his place as a clear cut number 2 or title of most dynamic Laker of all time. Because that's what Magic is, he changed the game and the Organization, but to say that he's better than Kobe, who has just as many rings mind you, and is way more dominant is just a phucking joke.

Kobe Bryant has been playing on this Team at a high level for almost 17 years, holds most of the Team records , except one or two.

He's the Greatest.

Lebron fans , ask yourself this , if everything goes honkey dory and you get those 8 rings Lebron promised & he holds all of the Team records, do you really think you'll be saying Wade is the Greatest Heat player of all time? Phuck no.

[KyleKong]

I'd say

1 - Magic

2 - Kareem

3 - Kobe

4 - Shaq

5 - West

[Bush4Ever]

I'd say

1 - Magic

2 - Kareem

3 - Kobe

4 - Shaq

5 - West

It is very tough to rank Kareem over Kobe in my opinion.

The period where he was winning big AND putting up top-flight individual statistics is actually somewhat small.

[ispin69]

How can this be the best? BailedOut Bricking Bean
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wiZIKQooNg

[Bob Dole]

No, not even close. He has no argument over Magic. And honestly over the others only longevity. He wasn't anywhere near the best player to put on a Lakers jersey.

[AlphaWolf24]

Just curious...


(For those who say Magic was a better basketball player)

- what skillset makes Magic a better "Basketball player?"

- Could Magic run the offense better? YES....he was the greatest playmaker ever (IMO) I'm not sure that makes him a better player then Kobe.

- For instance I had countless arguments in the late 80's/ early 90's about "passing" vs " Creating a good shot for yourself"

- This is when MJ was starting to take over the League and his ability to create an Offensive play for himself was starting to be favored vs " finding passing lanes"

- put pressure on the defense and attack....take over the game and create for yourself...If you get doubled or even tripled then find an open man.

Let's face it....MJ wasn't as good as Running an offense as Magic...nor was he as good a Rebounder....

__________________________________________________ ___


- But MJ's offensive ability and his tenacious defense put him above Magic in alot of people's eyes......This also holds true for Kobe.

I would argue that Kobe actually held more responsibility for his teams overall success....

Kobe molded his game to be able to take over games with his ability to Create an offensive play for himself ( as did MJ)....to go along with Top Shelf defense/ the teams top defender ( that role Magic never really put himself in)

__________________________________________________ _____

I think the Magic / Bird era was the greatest Basketball ever....nothing will ever come close (IMO)

as far as technical Basketball and skill sets....Kobe is the Greatest Laker ever....simply put He is the best Basketball player "Accolades/skill/Longevity " that ever played while "wearing" the Laker Uniform.


Shaq , Logo and Even Magic Johnson have echoed this statement.




Kobe is the Greatest Laker ever...period point blank








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[Trollsmasher]

1. Magic
2. West
3. Kareem
4. Baylor
5. Wilt
6. Shaq
7. Mikan
8. Gasol
9. Kobe

[HOoopCityJones]

1. Magic
2. West
3. Kareem
4. Baylor
5. Wilt
6. Shaq
7. Mikan
8. Gasol
9. Kobe

:lol Joke ass Ni99a.

[Bob Dole]

Just curious...


(For those who say Magic was a better basketball player)

- what skillset makes Magic a better "Basketball player?"

- Could Magic run the offense better? YES....he was the greatest playmaker ever (IMO) I'm not sure that makes him a better player then Kobe.

- For instance I had countless arguments in the late 80's/ early 90's about "passing" vs " Creating a good shot for yourself"

- This is when MJ was starting to take over the League and his ability to create an Offensive play for himself was starting to be favored vs " finding passing lanes"

- put pressure on the defense and attack....take over the game and create for yourself...If you get doubled or even tripled then find an open man.

Let's face it....MJ wasn't as good as Running an offense as Magic...nor was he as good a Rebounder....

__________________________________________________ ___


- But MJ's offensive ability and his tenacious defense put him above Magic in alot of people's eyes......This also holds true for Kobe.

I would argue that Kobe actually held more responsibility for his teams overall success....

Kobe molded his game to be able to take over games with his ability to Create an offensive play for himself ( as did MJ)....to go along with Top Shelf defense/ the teams top defender ( that role Magic never really put himself in)

__________________________________________________ _____

I think the Magic / Bird era was the greatest Basketball ever....nothing will ever come close (IMO)

as far as technical Basketball and skill sets....Kobe is the Greatest Laker ever....simply put He is the best Basketball player "Accolades/skill/Longevity " that ever played while "wearing" the Laker Uniform.


Shaq , Logo and Even Magic Johnson have echoed this statement.




Kobe is the Greatest Laker ever...period point blank








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Stop comparing skills you numbskull. It Is about Impact. Kobe had more "skillzzz" than shaq but no where near as good a player. Now die.

[gts]

1. Magic
2. West
3. Kareem
4. Baylor
5. Wilt
6. Shaq
7. Mikan
8. Gasol
9. Kobe

this is what happens when you let europeans have the internet

[gts]

Stop comparing skills you numbskull. It Is about Impact. Kobe had more "skillzzz" than shaq but no where near as good a player. Now die.
Kobe's had a bigger impact

That multi billion dollar TV deal was built on Kobe's back...

Having been around through the Magic years, and Kobe's time here Kobe easily trumps any other Laker as far as impact on the fan base, the city and the Lakers organization itself.

It's really not as close as some would like to believe.

Every facet of the Lakers organization has Kobe's fingerprints all over it. Much deeper than Magic had

You can say Magic is your favorite Laker or argue he's the fan favorite but greatest Laker ever belongs to Kobe when you look at the complete picture

[AlphaWolf24]

Stop comparing skills you numbskull. It Is about Impact. Kobe had more "skillzzz" than shaq but no where near as good a player. Now die.

no it's about skill....technique and skill> impacting or whatever that means.



Kobe's skill set allowed him to close games and run the offense while Shaq was on the bench in foul trouble.

Kobe had the ball in his hands...Kobe fueled the comeback in 2000...Kobe made the crossover on Pippen ...Kobe made the pass ( that started the 3 peat in the First place)

Shaq dominated 3' from the hoop...Kobe Dominated the whole court and continued to do so

[NumberSix]

At this point, Kobe is probably the definitive Laker.

[andgar923]

1. Magic
2. West
3. Kareem
4. Baylor
5. Wilt
6. Shaq
7. Mikan
8. Gasol
9. Kobe
:facepalm

Chucky Brown>>> Kobe dipshit

[Marlo_Stanfield]

1.Magic
2.Kareem
3.West/Kobe
4.Shaq:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

1. Magic
2. West
3. Kareem
4. Baylor
5. Wilt
6. Shaq
7. Mikan
8. Gasol
9. Kobe
:applause: :applause:

[Levity]

cant wait til we see this thread again next week!!!

:cheers:

[Stringer Bell]

Do people actually think that Magic truly means it when he says that Kobe is greater than him, or that Jordan is greater than him?

:oldlol:

He may say the gracious thing in public but I really, really doubt that he does not believe that he is the greatest player ever. Same goes for Jordan, Kareem, Bird, Kobe, etc....

[freshperry]

kobes getting a statue for sure you can put that in the bank! As for greatest Laker... I dont know because the competition is so stiff. How about Dr.Buss being the greatest Laker of all time? :rockon: (just kidding)

[Bob Dole]

no it's about skill....technique and skill> impacting or whatever that means.



Kobe's skill set allowed him to close games and run the offense while Shaq was on the bench in foul trouble.

Kobe had the ball in his hands...Kobe fueled the comeback in 2000...Kobe made the crossover on Pippen ...Kobe made the pass ( that started the 3 peat in the First place)

Shaq dominated 3' from the hoop...Kobe Dominated the whole court and continued to do so

Ok youre just trolling now. Impact is who improves the team chance of winning. All the crazy hard shots kobe takes only gets him 2 or 3 points. This isn't ice-skating where you get judged on how pretty it is sissy boy.

now die.