How did the mavs beat the heat in 2011?

[PrettyCool]

How did Dirk beat this super team?

[LongLiveTheKing]

Lebron sucked d*ck................... :(

[raid09]

Beat the press defense with pinpoint passing and outside shots. Going the other way, Heats offense was one-dimensional, with little off the ball movement. Each of the big 3 played effectively off the other one, but not off the other two. Plus, Dirk destroyed every team he played in the clutch.

And of course, LeBron played terrible.

[Marv_Albert]

It was their first year together

[red1]

heat had a terrible iso offense

[jimmy77x]

http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/c/ce/Reggie-miller-choke.jpg

[PrettyCool]

Lebron sucked d*ck................... :(

I have to agree. One of the reasons why Bron will never crack the top 12 GOAT's.

[DMAVS41]

For some reason Lebron really struggled against that Mavs team. He did so in the regular season as well.

The Wade injury helped. Terry made a ton of huge shots...and Dirk came through when it mattered most.

[b1imtf]

Outscoring them

[L8krH8tr]

What do you mean dirk? That team was stacked are u forgetting about Jason Kidd, Tyson chandler, jj barea, dewshawn Stevenson, Shawn Marion, Jason terry..

[Segatti]

Not much you can do when the best PF of all time is on fire :bowdown:

don't be mad plz

[DuMa]

they never recovered from that game 2 choke. if they had held on and won game 2, i believe they would have won the finals.

[dh144498]

I have to agree. One of the reasons why Bron will never crack the top 12 GOAT's.

:applause: :applause:

[chazzy]

Ball movement and shooting to break Miami's overloading/trapping stood out. Miami eats up iso and pick and roll plays on the perimeter well so Dallas moving the ball properly found open shooters often. The margin of clutch play between Dirk and Lebron was enormous. Such a bizarre showing by Lebron, I'll never understand it.. it's one thing to shoot poorly, but this was entirely different.

[PJR]

they never recovered from that game 2 choke. if they had held on and won game 2, i believe they would have won the finals.


Never recovered? They won the next game lol.

The series was lost in game 4, in a closely contested game where LeBron only scored 8 points. Your best player has to be more engaged than that.

But it's all good, Mavs were the better team. They capitalized on their opportunities, and had better late game execution.

[ispin69]

Epic team. Terry, Dirk, Peja raining 3's. Barea flying past them for an easy layup while they were scared of the 3 bombs. Stellar defense from Chandler, Stevenson and Marion. Greatest clutch 4th quarters comebacks by Dirk.

[DuMa]

Never recovered? They won the next game lol.

The series was lost in game 4, in a closely contested game where LeBron only scored 8 points. Your best player has to be more engaged than that.

But it's all good, Mavs were the better team. They capitalized on their opportunities, and had better late game execution.

they recovered the next game but they were never the same like in game 1 where they were full of confidence

[DaSeba5]

Miami wasn't a team that year. They didn't play as a cohesive unit that they are today. It was watch LeBron and Wade make plays on isos. When neither could get into the paint because of Chandler, they had to shoot jumpers, and those didn't fall.

Dallas took advantage of Miami's stagnant offense.

[Mr. Jabbar]

Is there actually a debate on why they lost? :roll:


Its all on lequit pulling a Houdini folks, not much of a discussion.

[christian1923]

It was a choke job by lebron. I remember JJ barea guarding him and lebron wasn't even trying to take him.

[clayton]

LeBron was on the back of milk carton.

[zizozain]

Wade was gunning for FMVP

wanted to be hero and failed .. he didn't let lebron do his thing

[MMM]

2011 Mav run is under appreciated, everyone talks about the Heat choking and nobody really gives credit to the Mavs. You would think they would get more praise for a team that swept the 2 time defending champs in the playoffs and beating a very good heat team.

[DaSeba5]

2011 Mav run is under appreciated, everyone talks about the Heat choking and nobody really gives credit to the Mavs. You would think they would get more praise for a team that swept the 2 time defending champs in the playoffs and beating a very good heat team.

Agreed. If I was a Mavs fan, I would be annoyed that people only credit my title to a LeBron choke. They earned it.

[jimmy77x]

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[ErhnamDjinn]

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Agreed. If I was a Mavs fan, I would be annoyed that people only credit my title to a LeBron choke. They earned it.
it is anoying, its people discredit the good d marion did on lbj and how he also took it to him on offense, the clutch shooting of kidd and flashes of defense on wade, lets just say everything fell in place. but to just say lbj choked.

[FPJ]

The Mavs played great. I still remember those insane comebacks in the 4'th when Dirk just couldnt miss a shot. Terry played out of his mind, Marion and Chandler played great defense, Kidd did his thing, JJ had a great contribution aswell. Most important though is Jim Carey outcoaching Spo when it mattered the most.

The Heat on the other hand just couldnt get it right. It was the first year, players didnt know their role on the team, Lebron played ISO's A LOT, him and Wade shot too many threes, Bosh ****ed up a game by himself when he didnt foul Dirk with 3-4 seconds remaining in the forth when they still had one to give and were leading if i remember correctly.

Basically, it all went well for the Mavs, its one of those situations where the Heat could have done anything and still couldnt win. Mavs deserved that title and in my opinion that lost final helped the Heat be the team they are today. Its a team effort and Lebron realized it. The Heat move the ball and find each other like no other team ive seen before.

Feels like only a miracle would stop the Heat from winning the finals this year.

[LEFT4DEAD]

The Mavs played great. I still remember those insane comebacks in the 4'th when Dirk just couldnt miss a shot. Terry played out of his mind, Marion and Chandler played great defense, Kidd did his thing, JJ had a great contribution aswell. Most important though is Jim Carey outcoaching Spo when it mattered the most.

The Heat on the other hand just couldnt get it right. It was the first year, players didnt know their role on the team, Lebron played ISO's A LOT, him and Wade shot too many threes, Bosh ****ed up a game by himself when he didnt foul Dirk with 3-4 seconds remaining in the forth when they still had one to give and were leading if i remember correctly.

Basically, it all went well for the Mavs, its one of those situations where the Heat could have done anything and still couldnt win. Mavs deserved that title and in my opinion that lost final helped the Heat be the team they are today. Its a team effort and Lebron realized it. The Heat move the ball and find each other like no other team ive seen before.

Feels like only a miracle would stop the Heat from winning the finals this year.
Totally agree with this post.
If that Heat' team played like they are playing today there would be no chance to lose that finals. But they weren't a team. Simple.
They won the eastern conference with pure star power. Not with a team game.
But without that loss they wouldn't be where they are today. Their team offense and team defense is scary atm, one of the best combo of offense and defense I have ever seen.
Coach Spo also learned a lot since that loss, and personally I would give him COTY.
Main difference is that everybody know their role, most importantly James, Wade and Bosh.

[KOBE143]

Actually, Mavs didnt beat the Heat.. It was LeBron who beat the Heat..

[Balla_Status]

What do you mean dirk? That team was stacked are u forgetting about Jason Kidd, Tyson chandler, jj barea, dewshawn Stevenson, Shawn Marion, Jason terry..

:roll:

[esiotrot]

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Why the fk is there a bunch of different fonts used?

[InspiredLebowski]

The most underrated coach in the NBA, that's how.

[B4llin]

Imagine if the NBA gifter 2 titles to the heat agaisnt the mavs, shit would be too obvious, plus nobody liked the heat that year. Once they lost they we're more of an underdog than cheaters.

[DMV2]

Wade was gunning for FMVP

wanted to be hero and failed .. he didn't let lebron do his thing
LeBron did his thing alright. By standing in the 3-point arc all the time. Passed the ball back every time he touched it. Couldn't post up on lil ol' JJ Barea. Getting outscored by a bench player. :oldlol:

[willds09]

Lebron and wade shown their true colorz, plus dirk was amazing:confusedshrug:

[LEFT4DEAD]

Lebron and wade shown their true colorz, plus dirk was amazing:confusedshrug:
The most funny thing is, that Wade's finals performance is better than any of Kobe's. :roll: :roll:

[Doctor Rivers]

they recovered the next game but they were never the same like in game 1 where they were full of confidence

lol you're awful

[Nash]

They were good defensively but really bad offensively. It was a one man show in offense. Wade, Bosh and Lebron had no idea how to play off the ball which now is what makes them so unstoppable.

Also they had just picked up some rejects and depended on them. Guys like Illgauskas, Bibby, Magloire, Eddie House, Dampier and Joel Anthony are complete non-help while Haslem was out for the whole season and only returned in the Eastern conference finals.

[sipitri]

We had the Dirk of Wonders and a very good defensive plan.
The Heat came full of confidence and went home ringless.

[willds09]

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[kurple]

u suck bro

and no one is gonna read your post or watch those vids

[esiotrot]

yo phuck dis shit im out, bish ass administrator taking off my threads cuz hes mad I was showing proof that tha miami cheat was given their rings and didnt deserving it last season, I proved that their bish, pamperd, fruit lotioned up ass iz overrated, overrated like jay z, lil wayne, and all of them garbage ass rappers out there.. Mrs. Jeff you puhcee just like david stern, tha refs and tha NBA front staff... phuck dat, dis is officially my last post, knicks, laker, thunder and kobe fans keep your heads up (especially knicks fans), and if you are knicks haters, wade,lebron, and bosh fans? then phuck yall and kiss my ass, true phucking story, and if you hate me in general? then phuck you too, your girl, your aunt, your sister and your momma as well. itz been fun here for tha last five years but remember my bold prediction knicks will win tha championship this year, and remember this shit below too, Im out, phuck ish.. .
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:coleman:

Did you graduate high school?

[MiseryCityTexas]

heat played alot of one on one ball that year, and didn't pass the ball as good as they do now.

[I<3NBA]

How did Dirk beat this super team?
the Mavs role players beat the Heat, not Dirk.

[dh144498]

the Mavs role players beat the Heat, not Dirk.

no, it was Dirk. :oldlol: completely shat on the Heat in the fourth quarter. But you don't really care about the Heat getting beat since you aren't really a Heat fan, just a lebron d1ckrider.

[FreezingTsmoove]

What didn't the Mavs have in their post season run? They had everything

Post Scoring, Defensive Center, mid range scoring, Cutting Slasher (JJ), elite closer, floor spacing, and elite 3 point shooting

[SCdac]

Mavs had a great, well rounded, team and the defensive arsenal that could get into Lebron's head.

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[chazzy]

They were good defensively but really bad offensively. It was a one man show in offense. Wade, Bosh and Lebron had no idea how to play off the ball which now is what makes them so unstoppable.
That is revisionist history. They were the 3rd best offense and were just fine playing off each other all year

[dh144498]

That is revisionist history. They were the 3rd best offense and were just fine playing off each other all year

this. All the closet Lebron stans making excuses, when it's clear the HEat got out played and Lebron choked.

[BoutPractice]

Mostly lack of experience and outcoaching.

Despite the regular season stats, that Heat team had a limited offensive gameplan. Their offense was effective on average, but it was full of holes smart teams could exploit. The Mavs designed a good defensive strategy against it, forcing LeBron into spots of the floor he didn't like and floating between him and his teammates in a way that was difficult to read. Miami had no counter. As a result, their shots down the stretch were mostly low-percentage, out of rhythm long jumpers from iso ball. They still could've won if Dallas' offense hadn't been so well balanced, but in contrast to theirs it was a well oiled machine built around their strengths.

After the defeat, Spoelstra and LeBron figured out that they had the tools to be unstoppable offensively provided they focused on spacing, which is why they won the next year.

[PJR]

Mostly lack of experience and outcoaching.

Despite the regular season stats, that Heat team had a limited offensive gameplan. Their offense was effective on average, but it was full of holes smart teams could exploit. The Mavs designed a good defensive strategy against it, forcing LeBron into spots of the floor he didn't like and floating between him and his teammates in a way that was difficult to read. Miami had no counter. As a result, their shots down the stretch were mostly low-percentage, out of rhythm long jumpers from iso ball. They still could've won if Dallas' offense hadn't been so well balanced, but in contrast to theirs it was a well oiled machine built around their strengths.

After the defeat, Spoelstra and LeBron figured out that they had the tools to be unstoppable offensively provided they focused on spacing, which is why they won the next year.

Spot on.

The way Miami plays today in contrast to 2011 season is night and day. 2011 was primarily bunch of stagnant pick rolls, and iso/Hero ball. Compared to today's free flowing offense with multiple weakside cuts/motions, and impeccable floor spacing.

[DaSeba5]

Mostly lack of experience and outcoaching.

Despite the regular season stats, that Heat team had a limited offensive gameplan. Their offense was effective on average, but it was full of holes smart teams could exploit. The Mavs designed a good defensive strategy against it, forcing LeBron into spots of the floor he didn't like and floating between him and his teammates in a way that was difficult to read. Miami had no counter. As a result, their shots down the stretch were mostly low-percentage, out of rhythm long jumpers from iso ball. They still could've won if Dallas' offense hadn't been so well balanced, but in contrast to theirs it was a well oiled machine built around their strengths.

After the defeat, Spoelstra and LeBron figured out that they had the tools to be unstoppable offensively provided they focused on spacing, which is why they won the next year.

Bingo. Future repped.

[BarberSchool]

The margin of clutch play between Dirk and Lebron was enormous.

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[JellyBean]

The Mavs had deeper team. Their bench was able to sustain runs. And they played team defense.

[Unstoppabull]

Because LeBron for some reason suddenly decided to be overly passive once he realized Wade could win FMVP over him?

[dh144498]

Because LeBron for some reason suddenly decided to be overly passive once he realized Wade could win FMVP over him?

:lol :roll:

[Ne 1]

Wade: 26.5 PPG
Dirk: 26.0 PPG
Bosh: 18.5 PPG
Jason Terry: 18.0 PPG
LeBron: 17.8 PPG

[pegasus]

Wade was gunning for FMVP

wanted to be hero and failed .. he didn't let lebron do his thing

Are you the spokesperson for pauk? That's something he would write a 1500-word essay about (he actually did write it).

The truth is Wade did his thing, and Lebron choked. Crumbled under pressure like a chocolate chip cookie (not racist, just wanted to be specific to support my argument).

[arifgokcen]

None of these are true at least for me they are not.

Lebron didnt choke.He and actually whole team underestimated dallas.I remember how cocky they were after game 1.

In sports thats the last thing you should do especially in pro sports.He used to say this is gonna be easy and after they reached the finals dismantling eastern conference teams in 5 each,they were so high they didnt play with the sense of urgency to

Had they known,what they know now with,exactly the same dallas team and exactly the same miami team they would have beaten team in 5.

[oh the horror]

None of these are true at least for me they are not.

Lebron didnt choke.He and actually whole team underestimated dallas.I remember how cocky they were after game 1.

In sports thats the last thing you should do especially in pro sports.He used to say this is gonna be easy and after they reached the finals dismantling eastern conference teams in 5 each,they were so high they didnt play with the sense of urgency to

Had they known,what they know now with,exactly the same dallas team and exactly the same miami team they would have beaten team in 5.



Wow. Okay dude. :oldlol:

[kentatm]

Because LeBron for some reason suddenly decided to be overly passive once he realized Wade could win FMVP over him?


LeBron didn't decide to let Wade run iso all the time. That was the Mavs defensive plan from the get go. They knew freezing out LeBron was the best way to win and they had a team defense that could accomplish that goal.

[shortsoptional]

LeBron didn't decide to let Wade run iso all the time. That was the Mavs defensive plan from the get go. They knew freezing out LeBron was the best way to win and they had a team defense that could accomplish that goal.


This.

People say LeBron became passive and didn't go to the rim and a big reason for that was because it was by design. Not many people run a zone defense anymore, but Dallas used it a ton that year. Having Chandler allowed them to be really quick on the perimeter while not giving up a ton of space in the middle. They basically funneled LeBron in to other defenders and forced him to either give up the ball or shoot outside shots. Wade too... Carlisle doesn't get the credit he deserves for running the zone, making lineup changes mid series and creating mis-matches.

What the perimeter defenders did better than anything was anticipate where the heat were going to be, and a lot of that is thanks to Jason Kidd and his high level BBIQ

[raid09]

That is revisionist history. They were the 3rd best offense and were just fine playing off each other all year

Far from revisionist history.

Their offense was good that year due to the big 3, but it was a simple offense with little off the ball movement. Often times LeBron or Wade would be standing in the corner while the other two did their thing. Other times, Bosh would disappear for huge stretches.

It was not the juggernaut it is now.

[tpols]

Lebron scored 8 points in a game.

That was not the mavericks defense.. The best defensive team in the history of ball wouldn't hold an aggressive, fully able Lebron under 15..ever. Much less under 10. That was 100 percent Lebron. He mentally checked out after the game 2 choke.

[coin24]

What's with all these bullshit excuses? It doesn't take away from last years title, you can just admit the heat would have won in 2011 if Lebron didn't disappear..
Go and re watch the series if curious..

[DMAVS41]

Lebron scored 8 points in a game.

That was not the mavericks defense.. The best defensive team in the history of ball wouldn't hold an aggressive, fully able Lebron under 15..ever. Much less under 10. That was 100 percent Lebron. He mentally checked out after the game 2 choke.

I think this is misleading. The Mavs basically made him a passer and quite frankly, Lebron almost always made the right basketball play.

There is no doubt that he mentally was struggling, but it's a little more tangible than what you say. If you essentially zone or shade a player with the ball the entire game...that player simply doesn't have a lot of chances to do much.

Mavs don't get nearly enough credit for forcing Lebron to play differently.

[Balla_Status]

Lebron scored 8 points in a game.

That was not the mavericks defense.. The best defensive team in the history of ball wouldn't hold an aggressive, fully able Lebron under 15..ever. Much less under 10. That was 100 percent Lebron. He mentally checked out after the game 2 choke.

Ok Skip Bayless

[pauk]

How? In short... because Lebron took a backseat to Wade...

He played in a new team, offense & role where he/they went through offensive chemistry issues as he (and those others) had to learn how to play with other stars for the first time in his life and play more of the ball and so on..... but the main problem was that he battled Wade for that alpha/1st option role entire year, their offensive mindset was: "Whoever has it going will get the ball"... Wade had it going in the Finals, Lebron as unselfish as he is didnt mind facilitating (led both teams in assists) and it was actually going good until 4th quarter/clutch where both Wade/Lebron were not able to deliver enough....

Everybody cant wait to just say Lebron "choked", but that was not the truth.... A superstar of that caliber who "chokes" is someone who tries but fails........ but Lebron didnt try at all (scoring wise), he was just passive like i never seen him before, in the Finals he didnt take any shots for gods sake... he averaged around 14 FGA (48%FG)... thats not choking, thats not trying.... and as i explained there is a reason for that....

No, Lebron was just taking a backseat to Wade......... It was more about chemistry, strategy/decision problems rather than him "choking"....

Lebrons unselfishness and great friendship with Wade worked against him especially in that Finals.... It was not until next year when Wade said: "I have to take a backseat to Lebron, he is our best player , i need to do this for us to be successful"............ Thats exactly what Wade said next year... and look what happened....

You have to also give credit to Mavs, they played amazing on both ends....

[Greg Oden 50]

Not much you can do when the best PF of all time is on fire :bowdown:

don't be mad plz

when did duncan plays for the mavericks :wtf:

[Greg Oden 50]

How? In short... because Lebron took a backseat to Wade...

He played in a new team, offense & role where he/they went through offensive chemistry issues as he (and those others) had to learn how to play with other stars for the first time in his life and play more of the ball and so on..... but the main problem was that he battled Wade for that alpha/1st option role entire year, their offensive mindset was: "Whoever has it going will get the ball"... Wade had it going in the Finals, Lebron as unselfish as he is didnt mind facilitating (led both teams in assists) and it was actually going good until 4th quarter/clutch where both Wade/Lebron were not able to deliver enough....

Everybody cant wait to just say Lebron "choked", but that was not the truth.... A superstar of that caliber who "chokes" is someone who tries but fails........ but Lebron didnt try at all (scoring wise), he was just passive like i never seen him before, in the Finals he didnt take any shots for gods sake... he averaged around 14 FGA (48%FG)... thats not choking, thats not trying.... and as i explained there is a reason for that....

No, Lebron was just taking a backseat to Wade......... It was more about chemistry, strategy/decision problems rather than him "choking"....

Lebrons unselfishness and great friendship with Wade worked against him especially in that Finals.... It was not until next year when Wade said: "I have to take a backseat to Lebron, he is our best player , i need to do this for us to be successful"............ Thats exactly what Wade said next year... and look what happened....

You have to also give credit to Mavs, they played amazing on both ends....

excuse :coleman:

[Magic 32]

How? In short... because Lebron took a backseat to Wade...

He played in a new team, offense & role where he/they went through offensive chemistry issues as he (and those others) had to learn how to play with other stars for the first time in his life and play more of the ball and so on..... but the main problem was that he battled Wade for that alpha/1st option role entire year, their offensive mindset was: "Whoever has it going will get the ball"... Wade had it going in the Finals, Lebron as unselfish as he is didnt mind facilitating (led both teams in assists) and it was actually going good until 4th quarter/clutch where both Wade/Lebron were not able to deliver enough....

Everybody cant wait to just say Lebron "choked", but that was not the truth.... A superstar of that caliber who "chokes" is someone who tries but fails........ but Lebron didnt try at all (scoring wise), he was just passive like i never seen him before, in the Finals he didnt take any shots for gods sake... he averaged around 14 FGA (48%FG)... thats not choking, thats not trying.... and as i explained there is a reason for that....

No, Lebron was just taking a backseat to Wade......... It was more about chemistry, strategy/decision problems rather than him "choking"....

Lebrons unselfishness and great friendship with Wade worked against him especially in that Finals.... It was not until next year when Wade said: "I have to take a backseat to Lebron, he is our best player , i need to do this for us to be successful"............ Thats exactly what Wade said next year... and look what happened....

You have to also give credit to Mavs, they played amazing on both ends....

So in other words, he choked.

[francesco totti]

the role player role is underrated, simply put...

shane battier made so many 50 - 50 plays last year, that gave the edge to the heat. the first year i believe they were starting joel anthoyn as starter

[livinglegend]

Great strategy by the Mavs.
They played zone defense which means you have to move the ball in order to beat it. Miami lacked ball movement that year. They run iso ball 1 by 1. When they played Mavs, they didnt know what to do with the zone.

Also, they couldnt hit their shots. That year, they lacked shooters. Apart from Chalmers and Bosh, nobody hit their shots, so that s another reason why they struggled against the zone.

As far as Lebron is concerned, he cant beat the zone alone. In order to beat the zone, you need team work and Miami lacked that. Mark Cuban himself said that Lebron mostly made the right plays, but his teammates didnt hit their shots. He could have played better, but it wasnt his fault alone. It was the whole team. They didnt ajust well to Mavs game plan.

[D.J.]

-Ball movement
-Outside shooting
-Dirk being money in the 4th
-Miami(and especially LeBron) not able to close out games

[PrettyCool]

How? In short... because Lebron took a backseat to Wade...

He played in a new team, offense & role where he/they went through offensive chemistry issues as he (and those others) had to learn how to play with other stars for the first time in his life and play more of the ball and so on..... but the main problem was that he battled Wade for that alpha/1st option role entire year, their offensive mindset was: "Whoever has it going will get the ball"... Wade had it going in the Finals, Lebron as unselfish as he is didnt mind facilitating (led both teams in assists) and it was actually going good until 4th quarter/clutch where both Wade/Lebron were not able to deliver enough....

Everybody cant wait to just say Lebron "choked", but that was not the truth.... A superstar of that caliber who "chokes" is someone who tries but fails........ but Lebron didnt try at all (scoring wise), he was just passive like i never seen him before, in the Finals he didnt take any shots for gods sake... he averaged around 14 FGA (48%FG)... thats not choking, thats not trying.... and as i explained there is a reason for that....

No, Lebron was just taking a backseat to Wade......... It was more about chemistry, strategy/decision problems rather than him "choking"....

Lebrons unselfishness and great friendship with Wade worked against him especially in that Finals.... It was not until next year when Wade said: "I have to take a backseat to Lebron, he is our best player , i need to do this for us to be successful"............ Thats exactly what Wade said next year... and look what happened....

You have to also give credit to Mavs, they played amazing on both ends....


So you think it was on Wade being selfish? Interesting.....

[ILLsmak]

As has been stated, I do think it was a "top dog" issue, too.

I think Wade was fine letting Bron do his thing, but he wanted the Finals MVP. And then I think Bron became passive aggressive. That's not WHY they lost, but it was a factor.

I think Bron would have shit a brick if they won and Wade was "the better player."

-Smak

[DMAVS41]

As has been stated, I do think it was a "top dog" issue, too.

I think Wade was fine letting Bron do his thing, but he wanted the Finals MVP. And then I think Bron became passive aggressive. That's not WHY they lost, but it was a factor.

I think Bron would have shit a brick if they won and Wade was "the better player."

-Tool

And if that is true...then it's a real weakness and Wade deserves a lot of credit for taking a step back and letting Lebron take the reigns.

[L8kersfan222]

And if that is true...then it's a real weakness and Wade deserves a lot of credit for taking a step back and letting Lebron take the reigns.
Didn't you have two accounts and talked to yourself??? Accidentally posted the wrong thing and exposed yourself :oldlol:

[SpecialQue]

The Mavs were the better TEAM.

[raid09]

And if that is true...then it's a real weakness and Wade deserves a lot of credit for taking a step back and letting Lebron take the reigns.

It might be true, but there is no way to know. It seems unlikely though, since LeBron happened to have two of his worst regular season games that season in his games against the Mavs.

[theBIGjabroni]

Once they beat the lakers there was no challenge left. Just a scrawny kid an a bitch who had to ring chase with wade an riley

[spacebump]

It was their first year together

Celtics won in their first year together, find a better excuse.

The Mavs won against the Heat due to an amazing defensive game plan, rotation adjustments, great ball movement, and Dirk.

LeBron didn't play passive, the Mavs game plan was to force him into bad situations and it worked.

[creepingdeath]

Mavs had the best:
- player
- team
- coaching staff
on their side.

[nashwade]

makes you appreciate how difficult it was for the Big 3 Boston team to win in all in their first year

and before Rondo became really good

[TrueRob]

The 2011 Heat had a stretch during the regular season where they won 21 out of 22 games. The one loss was to Dallas, who beat them in Miami and snapped their 12-game winning streak. Miami could have gone on a huge winning streak in their first year had it not been for the Mavs. Dallas had Miami's number due to their size (3 7fters), outside shooting and obviously, Dirk was dominating.

It didn't hurt that the Mavs were an elite road team, they won 2 road games in each playoff series except against Portland, but that was only because the Blazers had a huge comeback in one of their home games.

[jcsrplumply]

What do you mean dirk? That team was stacked are u forgetting about Jason Kidd, Tyson chandler, jj barea, dewshawn Stevenson, Shawn Marion, Jason terry..
Now look at the roster of the heat 10-11. :lol :lol

[Raymone]

In short... Complete disappearance of Wade and Bosh, plus coaching failure.

[Graviton]

In short... Complete disappearance of Wade and Bosh, plus coaching failure.
You are trying way too hard.

This guy is just a troll acting like a Lebron stan.

[Unstoppabull]

How? In short... because Lebron took a backseat to Wade...

He played in a new team, offense & role where he/they went through offensive chemistry issues as he (and those others) had to learn how to play with other stars for the first time in his life and play more of the ball and so on..... but the main problem was that he battled Wade for that alpha/1st option role entire year, their offensive mindset was: "Whoever has it going will get the ball"... Wade had it going in the Finals, Lebron as unselfish as he is didnt mind facilitating (led both teams in assists) and it was actually going good until 4th quarter/clutch where both Wade/Lebron were not able to deliver enough....

Everybody cant wait to just say Lebron "choked", but that was not the truth.... A superstar of that caliber who "chokes" is someone who tries but fails........ but Lebron didnt try at all (scoring wise), he was just passive like i never seen him before, in the Finals he didnt take any shots for gods sake... he averaged around 14 FGA (48%FG)... thats not choking, thats not trying.... and as i explained there is a reason for that....

No, Lebron was just taking a backseat to Wade......... It was more about chemistry, strategy/decision problems rather than him "choking"....

Lebrons unselfishness and great friendship with Wade worked against him especially in that Finals.... It was not until next year when Wade said: "I have to take a backseat to Lebron, he is our best player , i need to do this for us to be successful"............ Thats exactly what Wade said next year... and look what happened....

You have to also give credit to Mavs, they played amazing on both ends....
:roll:
Haven't you ever heard the phrase "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"? If someone doesn't have the balls to even try, if someone just suddenly freezes up, isn't that choking?


His palms are sweaty, knees weak, arms are heavy
There's vomit on his sweater already, mom's spaghetti
He's nervous, but on the surface he looks calm and ready
To drop bombs, but he keeps on forgettin
What he wrote down, the whole crowd goes so loud
He opens his mouth, but the words won't come out
He's choking, how everybody's joking now
The clock's run out, time's up over, bloah!

[D.J.]

In short... Complete disappearance of Wade and Bosh, plus coaching failure.


Wade's 6 game average: 26.5 PPG/7.0 RPG/5.2 APG/1.5 SPG/1.5 BPG on 54.6% shooting and that includes a 17 point game 6 where he went 6/16. That was his only poor game. Games 1-5, he averaged 28.4 PPG/6.8 RPG/5.0 APG/1.6 SPG/1.4 BPG on 57.6% shooting.

LeBron, in the 6 games, averaged 17.8 PPG/7.2 RPG/6.8 APG/1.7 SPG on 47.8% shooting. That includes a 3 game stretch of 17, 8, and 17 point games(and they managed to win 1 of them). Also in games 1-5 in the 4th quarter, he scored just a combined 11 points on 4/16 shooting.

[D.J.]

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[fos]

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[Fudge]

http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/best-dirk-gif.gif
:roll:

[francesco totti]

U should also factor in what heat had in the first year, they didnt have battier for example. and btw this role players play huge role on any championship teams. One thing comes to my head is that tough 3 shot battier hit on the road against OKC last year finals ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qUAfQFfE08 ) ... things were going okc way and he hit that shot..


this year next to battier they added ray allen, andersen and lewis.
In the first year they were relying on joel anthony..next year everything changed.

[Bandito]

Lebron chocked, there was no other reason. Any team could've beat this Heat team that year to be honest.

[Crafty]

Lebron chocked, there was no other reason. Any team could've beat this Heat team that year to be honest.

LeBron choked, no doubt. But they also got outchoached like crazy. Carlisle ran circles around Spo.

[stevieming]

Dirk the closer happened....

With Jason Terry backing up his smack talk.....

Man, I was screaming at the TV when that three went in...:cheers:

[TheReturn]

The outscored them by shooting extremely well, the entire playoffs really.

[Scholar]

The Mavs beat the Heat in 2011 by being the better team. It's as simple as that.

[miles berg]

Dirk Nowitzki was just too much for them.

[Donkey4trading]

The Mavs were able to stop the heat with great defensive play

[knickballer]

Dirk = GOAT playoff series

[emma10]

Lebron chocked, there was no other reason. Any team could've beat this Heat team that year to be honest.

Umm.. no. Dallas played great, and Dirk was unstoppable.

Put any other team vs Miami, and the Heat are champions.

[fpliii]

By no fault of Wade's, he had a great series as a whole, and showed up in 4th quarters (he outplayed Dirk in the Finals overall, though Dirk was insane in the clutch).

[hitmanyr2k]

How? In short... because Lebron took a backseat to Wade...

He played in a new team, offense & role where he/they went through offensive chemistry issues as he (and those others) had to learn how to play with other stars for the first time in his life and play more of the ball and so on..... but the main problem was that he battled Wade for that alpha/1st option role entire year, their offensive mindset was: "Whoever has it going will get the ball"... Wade had it going in the Finals, Lebron as unselfish as he is didnt mind facilitating (led both teams in assists) and it was actually going good until 4th quarter/clutch where both Wade/Lebron were not able to deliver enough....

Everybody cant wait to just say Lebron "choked", but that was not the truth.... A superstar of that caliber who "chokes" is someone who tries but fails........ but Lebron didnt try at all (scoring wise), he was just passive like i never seen him before, in the Finals he didnt take any shots for gods sake... he averaged around 14 FGA (48%FG)... thats not choking, thats not trying.... and as i explained there is a reason for that....

No, Lebron was just taking a backseat to Wade......... It was more about chemistry, strategy/decision problems rather than him "choking"....

Lebrons unselfishness and great friendship with Wade worked against him especially in that Finals.... It was not until next year when Wade said: "I have to take a backseat to Lebron, he is our best player , i need to do this for us to be successful"............ Thats exactly what Wade said next year... and look what happened....

You have to also give credit to Mavs, they played amazing on both ends....

I disagree. Lebron wasn't taking a backseat to Wade at all. Two things did Lebron in that series. First was the choke of Game 2 where the Heat thought they had the game in the bag and Lebron figured he'd start stat-padding a bit. He dominated the ball, missed those shots and he never mentally recovered when the Mavs came back and won. The 2nd thing was Wade undressing him late in Game 3 where Lebron wanted no part of the ball in the final minutes and played hot potato. Lebron constantly had one on one coverage and he sat on the perimeter and swung the ball like he was 2006 Kobe in Game 7. The final straw was Lebron swinging the ball to Chalmers in the corner and backing away. Chalmers got trapped and turned it over. Wade snapped on Lebron and scolded him like a child to get his head in the game. That ****ed Lebron's ego up even worse which probably resulted in that 8 point Game 4. Lebron wasn't engaged on either end of the floor and the Mavs sensed his weakness because you had Marion getting cocky calling him a bitch in Game 4. Terry started talking trash that Lebron couldn't guard him and all kinds of shit lol. And for all the "Lebron can guard 1-4" talk he never tried to guard Dirk when it mattered when Dirk was killing them all series. If you're supposed to be one of the best defenders in the league you're going to want to check Dirk when it counts.

[Partizan]

Mavs' zone was also a major factor...

You had Marion on the outside to guard LeBron, and you had Chandler who was there when he went pass Marion...
His post game was unrefined in 2011, and one of the best ways to attack zone is through the low post (firing 3 pointers isn't beating zone...) also LeBron isn't a true pg, and is bad at reading zone defense, there was no space for him to operate...
On the other side you had Dirk playing his best playoff season in his career and bunch of other guys hitting tough shots.

[HiphopRelated]

If Lebron didn't play they stood a better chance of winning that series. We wasted so man possessions trying to get him to do something