Basically, Lakers are a much better team w/o Nash welcoming opponents into our hoop.

[Mr. Jabbar]

The Lakers worst defensive liability exposed tonight :applause:

[DMAVS41]

well, if Nash isn't really running the offense...he's kind of useless. even though he's a great shooter...he's not going to make a net positive impact without actually playing pg.

[LosScandalous]

ST3V3 BLAK3 :bowdown:

[esiotrot]

Would rep if I could

[Mr. Jabbar]

well, if Nash isn't really running the offense...he's kind of useless. even though he's a great shooter...he's not going to make a net positive impact without actually playing pg.


thats all you need to know about nash, regardless of context :applause:

[PickernRoller]

Nash just falling apart to injuries this season. I think he might call it quits next season. Dude just can't keep up. He's still skilled, clutch and a great shooter but that's it.

[STATUTORY]

well, if Nash isn't really running the offense...he's kind of useless. even though he's a great shooter...he's not going to make a net positive impact without actually playing pg.

and when he's running the offense, he's making costly turnovers from getting trapped and ill advised passes

shitty trade in retrospect.

[Rekindled]

and when he's running the offense, he's making costly turnovers from getting trapped and ill advised passes

shitty trade in retrospect.

except blake turns the ball over much more than nash, did u watch the game tonight he was literally handing the ball to collison couple times.

nash has a much better assist-turnover ratio than blake over the career, it's not even close

[I<3NBA]

The Lakers worst defensive liability exposed tonight :applause:
Kobe would be second defensive liability next to Nash.

[Mr. Jabbar]

except blake turns the ball over much more than nash, did u watch the game tonight he was literally handing the ball to collison couple times.

nash has a much better assist-turnover ratio than blake over the career, it's not even close

only that when blake starts, kobe is the real ball handler. but this thread is about nash being a NET negative impact, whichever position he plays, dude just doesn't make up for the horrors delivered on D. dude has plain and simple denied tacos for staples crowd the whole season.

[Mr. Jabbar]

Kobe would be second defensive liability next to Nash.

lol kobe is the best defender in the team if dwight is not 100%, he just doesnt try that hard all nights cause he cant do it all at his age

[chazzy]

I like how Nash has played. Blake can't even bring the ball up and it forces Kobe into this unnatural heavy playmaking role. They're at their best when Nash Kobe and Pau split playmaking duties and Kobe gets his 25pts

[Rubio2Gasol]

You an idiot.

I felt like I was watching 'Steve Blake deliberately try to blow the game today. Nash knows the game inside out and will fit with whatever offense is run. Defensively he's no more a liability Blake is.

[Micku]

Haha. Wow. What a roller coaster for Laker fans this season. I can point it out.

A. Wait until Nash gets back, he is the core to make this thing works.

B. Gasol sucks. Trade him.

C. Gawd, Howard sucks so much. Trade him cuz he ain't going to stay.

D. Nash defense sucks so much.


But really, since Kobe is the main ball handling now, he is cancelling out Nash playmaking ability and he is just a shooter now. But he is a great shooter and clutch shooter. He could also make plays along with Kobe.

[Mr. Jabbar]

You an idiot.

I felt like I was watching 'Steve Blake deliberately try to blow the game today. Nash knows the game inside out and will fit with whatever offense is run. Defensively he's no more a liability Blake is.


Wrong.

Blake is not half the defensive liability Nash is.

And to be honest Nash is very turnover prone on the O side too. With Blake we also get kobe to be the main ball handler and we've seen hows that's best for him. Nash being the Lakers ball handler has lead this team precisely where they are, outside the playoffs.

Best the Lakers have been this whole season was the kobe-system era. Otherwise if we don't score 120 its 100% guaranteed L, since Nash Lakers have an habit of allowing teams to 125 pts on a nightly basis.

O will come and go different nights, D is what a team can bring in consistently and where you build from. D'Antoni and Nash are harmful to the Lakers.


Also, You an idiot.

[Holy Random]

Haha. Wow. What a roller coaster for Laker fans this season. I can point it out.

A. Wait until Nash gets back, he is the core to make this thing works.

B. Gasol sucks. Trade him.

C. Gawd, Howard sucks so much. Trade him cuz he ain't going to stay.

D. Nash defense sucks so much.


But really, since Kobe is the main ball handling now, he is cancelling out Nash playmaking ability and he is just a shooter now. But he is a great shooter and clutch shooter. He could also make plays along with Kobe.

This, why have the best playmaker in the game on your team if you just make him a spot up shooter.

[Shepseskaf]

But really, since Kobe is the main ball handling now, he is cancelling out Nash playmaking ability and he is just a shooter now.
This has been happening the entire season, as predicted.

Amazing that Nash didn't figure out before signing that Kobe will NEVER give up control of the ball. He should have gone to the Knicks.

[Mr. Jabbar]

This has been happening the entire season, as predicted.

Amazing that Nash didn't figure out before signing that Kobe will NEVER give up control of the ball. He should have gone to the Knicks.

Its sad to say, cause he seems like a nice guy, but he should have gone home...

[I<3NBA]

lol kobe is the best defender in the team if dwight is not 100%, he just doesnt try that hard all nights cause he cant do it all at his age
not trying is the same as being horrible, wtf are you this stupid?
and the best defender next to dwight is Metta, even if he has regressed, MWP is still way better as a defender than Kobe.

[JtotheIzzo]

WRONG


Lakers are 26-24 with Nash in the lineup, and 13-12 with him out of the lineup.

So, statistically they are the same.

Thread is fail, OP has agenda and a serious lack of knowledge.

Thanks for coming out, but next time, commit your hate crimes elsewhere lil b*tch and be happy your team won.

That's the problem with Kobe bum bandits, they are so caught up in defending Mamba they don't care how dumb they sound doing it.

OP is a sad boy.

[clayton]

I think so too. Great minds think alike. But dumbass No D'Antoni doesn't share our wisdom.

[Mr. Jabbar]

WRONG


Lakers are 26-24 with Nash in the lineup, and 13-12 with him out of the lineup.

So, statistically they are the same.

Thread is fail, OP has agenda and a serious lack of knowledge.

Thanks for coming out, but next time, commit your hate crimes elsewhere lil b*tch and be happy your team won.

That's the problem with Kobe bum bandits, they are so caught up in defending Mamba they don't care how dumb they sound doing it.

OP is a sad boy.


You basically come here with statistics that prove my point and then spit nonsense? :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Those stats mean the team has the same W/L ratio with or w/o Nash, and most of the time w/o him was season start where the team was just starting to know each other and a new coach came in.

Have you ever thought about watching games instead of wasting your time researching stats that point nowhere near where you want? You might avoid embarrassing yourself and learn how Nash is a net (do you grasp that concept?) liability to the team...

[Mr. Jabbar]

I think so too. Great minds think alike. But dumbass No D'Antoni doesn't share our wisdom.

:applause:

[DuMa]

typical kobe fanboys. blame someone other than kobe for the shortcomings of this laker's season. when they win, they overrate the lakers to epic levels of blabbering ranting. when they lose, they become fickle and find a scapegoat whether its pau, nash, dantoni or dwight. its regular like clockwork.

[Mr. Jabbar]

typical kobe fanboys. blame someone other than kobe for the shortcomings of this laker's season. when they win, they overrate the lakers to epic levels of blabbering ranting. when they lose, they become fickle and find a scapegoat whether its pau, nash, dantoni or dwight. its regular like clockwork.

typical kobe hater, its always kobes fault, rest are scapegoats :sleeping

[White Mamba]

blake is horrible too, but i agree.

[coin24]

As much as i like Nash, i wish the Lakers didnt give up so much for him...

[JtotheIzzo]

You basically come here with statistics that prove my point and then spit nonsense? :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Those stats mean the team has the same W/L ratio with or w/o Nash, and most of the time w/o him was season start where the team was just starting to know each other and a new coach came in.

Have you ever thought about watching games instead of wasting your time researching stats that point nowhere near where you want? You might avoid embarrassing yourself and learn how Nash is a net (do you grasp that concept?) liability to the team...

LOL, are you a retard? Did my facts damage your frail little brain?

You said:
Lakers are a much better team w/o Nash

I simply pointed out the fallacy in that statement, then you come back with this?

:lol

Kobestans:rolleyes:

Lakers most impressive win of the year (on the road at Indy) happened without Mamba, what does that say about him?

[La Frescobaldi]

LOL, are you a retard? Did my facts damage your frail little brain?

You said:

I simply pointed out the fallacy in that statement, then you come back with this?

:lol

Kobestans:rolleyes:

Lakers most impressive win of the year (on the road at Indy) happened without Mamba, what does that say about him?
It's one of the most wonderful mysteries of life. The guy is completely blinded by love.
Just like a schoolgirl with her first crush...

[oh the horror]

Nash is still a good player but IMO at this point in his career without a solid backup that should be taking the bulk of the minutes he's a liability.


And isn't he making 9 million? Correct me if I'm off there but that's way too much for his impact

[ralph_i_el]

Did anyone who isn't a laker stan think Nash was going to fit in with this team? No spacing, no running the floor. He can't get into the paint and keep his dribble alive without shooters spacing the floor and dwight wanting straight post ups. He's just not on a team that utilizes his skills. He should have gone to the Knicks/Pacers/Rockets

[theBIGjabroni]

WRONG


Lakers are 26-24 with Nash in the lineup, and 13-12 with him out of the lineup.

So, statistically they are the same.

Thread is fail, OP has agenda and a serious lack of knowledge.

Thanks for coming out, but next time, commit your hate crimes elsewhere lil b*tch and be happy your team won.

That's the problem with Kobe bum bandits, they are so caught up in defending Mamba they don't care how dumb they sound doing it.

OP is a sad boy.

Vice versa with his retarded haters

[Pointguard]

except blake turns the ball over much more than nash, did u watch the game tonight he was literally handing the ball to collison couple times.

nash has a much better assist-turnover ratio than blake over the career, it's not even close
:lol Yall haters... Nash invites all PG's to the hoop, Blake is into give aways - I think they are the perfect host. Where else are the King's guards so welcoming?

[Tking714]

I've been saying all year he should be coming off the bench with Jamison and Pau. Have Howard and Clark in the starting Line-up. Nash NEEDS stretch bigs.

If it was Pjax coaching he would have already had the starting team and the bench team set. Similar to how Odom led the second team to make space for Ariza and Pau in the starting lineup, and didn't b*tch about it

[HorryIsMyMVP]

Nash is like a bird. If you don't let him spread his wings then he is going to fall. Yes Steve Blake is a better spot up shooter and defender then Nash. Nash's services are not needed. When you guys miss the play offs trade him to a contender.

[RRR3]

WRONG


Lakers are 26-24 with Nash in the lineup, and 13-12 with him out of the lineup.

So, statistically they are the same.

Thread is fail, OP has agenda and a serious lack of knowledge.

Thanks for coming out, but next time, commit your hate crimes elsewhere lil b*tch and be happy your team won.

That's the problem with Kobe bum bandits, they are so caught up in defending Mamba they don't care how dumb they sound doing it.

OP is a sad boy.


It's one of the most wonderful mysteries of life. The guy is completely blinded by love.
Just like a schoolgirl with her first crush...
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Crown&Coke]

Do you honestly belive Mike James (whooo?) is going to break down anyone off the dribble? Thats who got the bulk of the pg minutes. And when Colison was in the game, he was getting shots at around 15 feet, getting around Blake with relative ease.

Lets see Blake play some defense against Mike Conley on Friday and then I will agree. PG's have always been the bane of the Lakers existence on defense, and it aint only because of Steve Nash

[MVBallin2K]

I've been saying all year he should be coming off the bench with Jamison and Pau. Have Howard and Clark in the starting Line-up. Nash NEEDS stretch bigs.

If it was Pjax coaching he would have already had the starting team and the bench team set. Similar to how Odom led the second team to make space for Ariza and Pau in the starting lineup, and didn't b*tch about it


This post actually makes a lot of sense. When Nash was running the show, I remember the small ball line up with Clark at the 4 and Jamison at the 5. Even though it was a disadvantage size wise, they were getting a lot of great looks from Nash and it helped bring us back in some games.

I don't know for sure if Nash needs to come off the bench though. How many threads are there gonna be of "So and so is the cause of the Lakers being a worse team". Dwight...Pau...Nash. It's a cycle. One of them is out, the team wins and posts like this show up. They come back, have a good stretch and onto the next injury. No one guy is a liability on this team, this could be deadly if they were fully healthy. Point is that they aren't and don't have the proper chemistry down yet as a unit when all are on the floor. What needs to be realized more than anything is that Dwight is posting up because of his back issues. The minute those subside, that opens up the floor a little more for Nash and opens up way better possibilities of passes to Dwight for dunks. With Clark, Jamison and Blake hitting 3 balls lately and Meeks from time to time, also leaves Nash other options. Let's see how the year pans out and if Lakers make the playoffs, there too before we point anyone out as a liability.

[Mrofir]

WRONG

Thread is fail, OP has agenda and a serious lack of knowledge.

That's the problem with Kobe bum bandits, they are so caught up in defending Mamba they don't care how dumb they sound doing it.

OP is a sad boy.

Exactly right.

Just to add a few numbers into the mix -- not for the op but for observers capable of rational thought

Nash assist\TO ratio this season - 2.64
Kobe assist\TO ratio this season - 1.62

Nash is a much better facilitator than kobe, even this season, and it's not even close.

Kobe is the superstar of this team, therefor he gets the lion's share of the credit when things go well, and the lion's share of the blame when things do not. Get used to it.

[Mr. Jabbar]

You can separate people who know about ball and ppl who dont know lick about it in this thread (JtotheIzzo, RR3 for starters). They basically draw conclusions based on imaginary rankings and past glories :facepalm, guess I can't blame them, ESPN and the media have rotten their brains with what they want to hear..

Once again the Lakers without Nash keeps oposing team under their 102 ppg allowed season average. Last two games w/o Nash: 82.

[MiseryCityTexas]

nash being hurt half of the season was one of the biggest reasons why the lakers fell so hard in the play-off seedings you stupid****

[Jyap9675]

Blake is not much better, Blake committed so many turnovers last game and his defence was so-so. I'd rather have both of them having turns at the PG.

Nash does have way more upside than downside. He was a big part of that huge run to the 8th spot, with him turning to be a spot up shooter with Kobe starting the offence.

[Scholar]

It's funny how fickle basketball fans are. Lakers won a couple games without Kobe and the NBA world flipped upside down saying that ball movement was better without Kobe; thus, Lakers are a better team without Kobe.

Now they win a few games without Nash and suddenly the Lakers are better without Nash? Give me a damn break.

I bet this team would've had better chemistry from the get-go if Kobe had been willing to let Nash run the offense.


The only thing I'll agree with you guys on Nash about is that he's been a defensive liability, but then again so has Kobe. I went to that Lakers v. Wizards game where Kobe's defensive match-up, aka former teammate Trevor Ariza, went off and dropped 7 three-pointers because Kobe kept leaving him wide open.

[Haymaker]

Nash could've gone to any other team but he chose LA, serves him well to suck on his last season. I hope he retires. Most undeserving MVP of all time, TWICE.

[9512]

I bet Nash wishes he was with the Knicks. Didn't Tyson Chandler say when he won DPOTY that he was glad his teammates allowed their opponents to blow past them?

Nash would've been running the point instead of fat Felton with Kidd backing him up or cohabiting the backcourt as either Kidd or Nash being the spot up 3.

And plus he'd be playing in the weaker eastern conference.

[nashwade]

it is like hiring Phil Jackson to be the video editor and tell him he sucks cos he can't edit a decent video

[Shepseskaf]

I bet Nash wishes he was with the Knicks.
Couldn't agree more. The Knicks offense being run by Nash would be a beautiful thing.

[2006suns]

the disadvantages outweigh the advantages of keeping him on the floor. the only positive contribution that he has at this point is to work as a spot-up shooter averaging less than 10 minutes per game or at least when the other team's starting PG is out. other than that, as much as i hate to admit this, since the lakers haven't used their amnesty clause yet, i can see them using it on nash before next season starts.

[2006suns]

I think so too. Great minds think alike. But dumbass No D'Antoni doesn't share our wisdom.

i think it's got more to do with nash not playing up to what d'antoni wanted him to. 2013 nash is no longer as good in orchestrating d'antoni's offense and is 10 times the defensive liability he was before.

[Bandito]

it's like I've been saying for years. What the Lakers need is not a traditional pg but someone who can defend pg/sg's and shoot the three. It doesn't take a genius to know this. They could've won in 2011 if they had a pg that could contain Terry and Barea.

Kobe have always taken care of the playmaking so why change it now?

Also when Nash used to have the playmaking duties in the beginning of the year Kobe was shooting 50% from the field. Don't forget that. Also Nash has always been a defensive liabilty, he's no J.Kidd. WHen the LAkers traded for him I always asked myself why. Not because he was a liability or anything but because he doesn't bring anything that the team needed. Again the Lakers need perimeter defense and 3 point shooting. That's it.

Nash would've been used better in the Knicks as Anthony needs a great pg to be even better like Billups when he arrived in Denver.

[BlackVVaves]

the disadvantages outweigh the advantages of keeping him on the floor. the only positive contribution that he has at this point is to work as a spot-up shooter averaging less than 10 minutes per game or at least when the other team's starting PG is out. other than that, as much as i hate to admit this, since the lakers haven't used their amnesty clause yet, i can see them using it on nash before next season starts.

People still don't understand how the new CBA works two years later :facepalm

[longtime lurker]

it's like I've been saying for years. What the Lakers need is not a traditional pg but someone who can defend pg/sg's and shoot the three. It doesn't take a genius to know this. They could've won in 2011 if they had a pg that could contain Terry and Barea.

Kobe have always taken care of the playmaking so why change it now?

Also when Nash used to have the playmaking duties in the beginning of the year Kobe was shooting 50% from the field. Don't forget that. Also Nash has always been a defensive liabilty, he's no J.Kidd. WHen the LAkers traded for him I always asked myself why. Not because he was a liability or anything but because he doesn't bring anything that the team needed. Again the Lakers need perimeter defense and 3 point shooting. That's it.

Nash would've been used better in the Knicks as Anthony needs a great pg to be even better like Billups when he arrived in Denver.

I've been thinking about this and who fits this mold? I think a guy like George Hill would be deadly on the Lakers, Avery Bradley maybe although I'm not too sure of his play making abilities. Kyle Lowry?

[BlackVVaves]

it's like I've been saying for years. What the Lakers need is not a traditional pg but someone who can defend pg/sg's and shoot the three. It doesn't take a genius to know this. They could've won in 2011 if they had a pg that could contain Terry and Barea.

Kobe have always taken care of the playmaking so why change it now?

Also when Nash used to have the playmaking duties in the beginning of the year Kobe was shooting 50% from the field. Don't forget that. Also Nash has always been a defensive liabilty, he's no J.Kidd. WHen the LAkers traded for him I always asked myself why. Not because he was a liability or anything but because he doesn't bring anything that the team needed. Again the Lakers need perimeter defense and 3 point shooting. That's it.

Nash would've been used better in the Knicks as Anthony needs a great pg to be even better like Billups when he arrived in Denver.

Kobe in that 2011 Mavs series:

23 PPG
3 APG
3 RPG

I think what you meant to say is, they could have won in 2011 if Kobe wasn't playing on one leg and producing like a second tier star. Maybe throw in if Pau wasn't playing like a sensitive soccer mom, could defend Dirk, ect.

[chazzy]

Not with Kobe basically playing every minute and running every offensive play. Blake can barely bring up the ball.. Nash allows Kobe to rest and gives them another guy who can create on the perimeter

[longtime lurker]

Not with Kobe basically playing every minute and running every offensive play. Blake can barely bring up the ball.. Nash allows Kobe to rest and gives them another guy who can create on the perimeter

They need a backup at SG that's still quick enough to guard PG's for this to work. Nash is a huge huge huge liability defensively and D'Antoni just doesn't have the brains to make up for defensive liabilities.

[Mrofir]

This thread is a load of bulslhit

[Mr. Jabbar]

This thread is a load of bulslhit

care to explain why?

[CeltsGarlic]

care to explain why?

Every time before posting ask yourself "Am I that fkin stupid?" if the answer is "no" youre even worse.

[Mr. Jabbar]

Every time before posting ask yourself "Am I that fkin stupid?" if the answer is "no" youre even worse.

The answer my friend, is yes. Why should i care to educate dumb rocks like you? Its not gonna work...

[CeltsGarlic]

The answer my friend, is yes. Why should i care to educate dumb rocks like you? Its not gonna work...

But you still post :biggums:

[Mr. Jabbar]

But you still post :biggums:

They say hope is the last thing a man loses, guess its true...

[CeltsGarlic]

They say hope is the last thing a man loses, guess its true...
true.. true..

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Bring nash off the bench

Nash
Meeks
T'wan
Clark
Howard/pau

Start
Blake
Kobe
Mwp
Pau
D12

[Bandito]

Kobe in that 2011 Mavs series:

23 PPG
3 APG
3 RPG

I think what you meant to say is, they could have won in 2011 if Kobe wasn't playing on one leg and producing like a second tier star. Maybe throw in if Pau wasn't playing like a sensitive soccer mom, could defend Dirk, ect.
Add Tony Allen and negate Terry and Barea's impact and well see how they do. Then again is all hypothetical. Their weakness since this team traded for Gasol has been perimeter Defense and Speed. It's so obvious if you watch this team play against team with good pg's and they have career nights against the LA Lakers.:facepalm

Also even though Gasol was a non factor offensively the Mavs backcourt murdered the Lakers. Defensively they didn't let Kobe shoot from Midrange/ close range which negate him to do anything because he didn't have shooters that could make shots to pass to.

Offensively Barea was running circles against that LA defense, it was just ridiculous.


I've been thinking about this and who fits this mold? I think a guy like George Hill would be deadly on the Lakers, Avery Bradley maybe although I'm not too sure of his play making abilities. Kyle Lowry?
Kyle Lowry would be great for this team but if Kobe's is the main playmaker (like he is now) they need someone like a Tony Allen type. George Hill like you said would be perfect. It doesn't have to be a pg just someone that can defend the pg position and shoot when open. Like how the Heat has with Chalmers.

[2006suns]

People still don't understand how the new CBA works two years later :facepalm

i see your point and admit to my mistake. my bad.

[TheGreatDeraj]

it's like I've been saying for years. What the Lakers need is not a traditional pg but someone who can defend pg/sg's and shoot the three. It doesn't take a genius to know this. They could've won in 2011 if they had a pg that could contain Terry and Barea.

Kobe have always taken care of the playmaking so why change it now?

Also when Nash used to have the playmaking duties in the beginning of the year Kobe was shooting 50% from the field. Don't forget that. Also Nash has always been a defensive liabilty, he's no J.Kidd. WHen the LAkers traded for him I always asked myself why. Not because he was a liability or anything but because he doesn't bring anything that the team needed. Again the Lakers need perimeter defense and 3 point shooting. That's it.

Nash would've been used better in the Knicks as Anthony needs a great pg to be even better like Billups when he arrived in Denver.

Agreed with the bold I've had the same thought for years.

I've always though that Kirk Hinrich or Chauncey Billups would be great next to kobe. They are a bit old now especially Billups, but i would still like to see Hinrich on the Lakers. Mario Chalmers would be good as well.

[Bandito]

Agreed with the bold I've had the same thought for years.

I've always though that Kirk Hinrich or Chauncey Billups would be great next to kobe. They are a bit old now especially Billups, but i would still like to see Hinrich on the Lakers. Mario Chalmers would be good as well.
:cheers: Me too, man. I would be happy with Cole at this point.

[Groovy Kat]

I still hate that Nash decided to end his career this way. He's my favorite player ever. I wish he would have went to the Bulls or somewhere else he could have played his style.