legends who won a title without a single other hall of famer

[kennethgriffin]

- kobe bryant 2009 and 2010
- Hakeem Olajuwon 1994
- Bill Walton 1977


that is all

not a single guy will make the hall of fame from their teams


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none of these guys will make it

pau = 4 time allstar, 2 time third team all nba ( finished )
bynum = 1 time allstar ( finished )
artest = 1 time allstar ( finished )
odom = 0 allstar selections ( finished )


pau was the only guy with a serious chance. but he had such a small peak from 2009-2010.... before that he was a nobody. after that he sucked

now hes his teams 7th best player



these 3 guys went against the natural order of things. sometimes all you need is 1 great player and a bunch of role players.. walton and kobe turned lucas and pau into great players for a brief moment in their careers.

we should all give these 3 guys the credit they deserve

:bowdown:

[BrickingStar]

Gasol is going in the hall of fame you ****ing retard

[shortsoptional]

Pretty sure Pau will be in the HOF

[MisterAmazing]

please ban this guy :facepalm

[Magic 32]

Pretty sure Pau will be in the HOF

Pretty sure as well. But is he top 50 all time material?

[kennethgriffin]

Pretty sure Pau will be in the HOF

give me your case for pau gasol

he has 5,000 less points than antawn jamison for god sake

hes only a 4 time reserve allstar

3rd team all nba twice?

common man.. just cause he has a few silver medals doesnt push him over the top

hes not hall of fame legendary status


if you put pau gasol in.. like 40 guys in the league right now should make it


only averaged double digit rebounds 3 times in 14 years -_-

[Mr Exlax]

Pau Gasol is a HOF caliber player and I have no doubt he will make it. This man is a great basketball player.

Couldn't tell you about Bill Walton

Hakeem has the most significant championship ring to me. He's the one that did it with the least amount of help IMO. No dynamic duo. Just him and role players. Not being biased or anything.

[D.J.]

Ben Wallace- closest thing to an HOF'er was Chauncey and Rasheed

Hakeem Olajuwon(1994)- Robert Horry, Sam Cassell the closest to HOF'ers

[kennethgriffin]

Pau Gasol is a HOF caliber player and I have no doubt he will make it. This man is a great basketball player.

Couldn't tell you about Bill Walton

Hakeem has the most significant championship ring to me. He's the one that did it with the least amount of help IMO. No dynamic duo. Just him and role players. Not being biased or anything.


so what puts gasol in the hall of fame?


cant just be "the mans a great basketball player" more than half the leagues players are great basketball players

:facepalm

[Haymaker]

Gasol will be a HOF'er. /end thread

[BrickingStar]

so what puts gasol in the hall of fame?


cant just be "the mans a great basketball player" half the leagues players are great basketball players

:facepalm
half the lkeague didn't do what he did internationally and contribute heavily in winning 2 championships retard

[MMM]

Gasol was a top 5 big in 08-10 and out arguably out played KG in 2010

[kennethgriffin]

Ben Wallace- closest thing to an HOF'er was Chauncey and Rasheed

Hakeem Olajuwon(1994)- Robert Horry, Sam Cassell the closest to HOF'ers

if you notice the title. it says "legends who won a title without a single other hall of famer"

not "finals mvps who won a title without a single other hall of famer"


some teams didnt have a legend

the 2004 pistons was just a team full of good players

[kennethgriffin]

Gasol was a top 5 big in 08-10 and out arguably out played KG in 2010


being a top 5 big in 2008-2010 doesnt put you in the hall of fame

[Mr Exlax]

so what puts gasol in the hall of fame?


cant just be "the mans a great basketball player" more than half the leagues players are great basketball players

:facepalm

My nygga if I have to explain to you that Pau Gasol was/is a great basketball player and will be in the HOF then you're the worst Lakers fan / basketball fan ever. This is not up for dispute. The man's a great basketball player.

[kennethgriffin]

half the lkeague didn't do what he did internationally and contribute heavily in winning 2 championships retard


do you have any idea how many guys have some bronze,silver medals hanging up in their living room?

i'm sick of this international boost pau gets all the time... so lets just put everyone who wins a europian tournament medal in the hall of fame?

how hard is it to be the best player on team spain anyway... you could be the 30th best player in the nba and get that title

[MMM]

being a top 5 big in 2008-2010 doesnt put you in the hall of fame


everybody gets into the basketball HOF, if you want to troll at least do it correctly.

[Breezy]

Once again. OP clearly has Autism/Aspergers. It's the only explanation for how he can keep coming at us with essentially the same ridiculous topic every single day.

Oh and there is no chance in hell that Gasol won't be in the hall of fame.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Gasol = HOFer

According to OP Bosh is a first ballot HOFer but Pau isn't A HOFer.

[Magic 32]

Gasol was a top 5 big in 08-10 and out arguably out played KG in 2010

Well, KG was not exactly in his prime like Gasol.

[taabhimself]

if you notice the title. it says "legends who won a title without a single other hall of famer"

not "finals mvps who won a title without a single other hall of famer"


some teams didnt have a legend

the 2004 pistons was just a team full of good players

ben wallace wasn't finals mvp.

[D.J.]

if you notice the title. it says "legends who won a title without a single other hall of famer"

not "finals mvps who won a title without a single other hall of famer"


some teams didnt have a legend

the 2004 pistons was just a team full of good players


4-time DPOY, 5 All-Defensive 1st teams, 3 top 10 finishes for MVP. Sounds like a legend, especially if you count Bill Walton. And Wallace didn't win Finals MVP, Billups did.

[tazb]

First of all, Gasol will get in. Secondly, Phil Jackson the GOAT Coach says hi.

[Big Cheese]

its the basketball hall of fame not the nba so olympic and national accomplishments does count towards your hall of fame resume

So gasol does get in.

[Kblaze8855]

Pau has a decent shot. And if he doesnt make it hes factually better and more accomplished than many already there. He was leading teams of role players to 50 wins in Memphis though they never did anything in the playoffs. There are HOF players who never won a playoff series as a starter.

Guys like Walt Bellamy might be legends but they never actually...did anything.

HOF or not Pau was a HOF level player on the Lakers....of what relevance is anything else?

We are talking basketball playing. On the floor. What you do to help your team win. At the time....Pau played HOF ball. If he makes the HOF hes no better in retrospect.

Dennis Johnson wasnt a HOf player till he died. But he was a HOF player from like 1978-1988. Bob Mcadoo didnt make the HOF for years. Nor did Artis Gilmore. Jamaal Wilkes didnt make it till what...last year? Till then Rick Barry would be on the winning without a HOF teammate list.

Barry now less impressive? Is Wilkes better?

No. This shit means nothing.

[D.J.]

its the basketball hall of fame not the nba so olympic and overseas accomplishments do count towards your hall of fame resume


Hence why guys like Ginobili, Parker, Yao, and Gasol are locks.

[kennethgriffin]

its funny to me how theres a thread on the 1st page right now about retiring paus jersey... 90% of the forum says "no ... hes not a hall of famer. maybe if he was a celtic. but not worthy of the lakers wall"


that thread had nothing to do with kobe



but when it does


all of a sudden these same people rush in saying paus a legend.


this is the chicago bulls, scottie pippen, michael jordan complex in a nutshell.. whenever bulls fans wanna boost jordan. they say pippen sucked. whenever they wanna boost the bulls.. they say pippens better than lebron


:lol

[MMM]

Well, KG was not exactly in his prime like Gasol.

true and KG was basically on one leg but I was disappointed that he got out matched by Gasol in 2010

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Pau has a decent shot. And if he doesnt make it hes factually better and more accomplished than many already there. He was leading teams of role players to 50 wins in Memphis though they never did anything in the playoffs. There are HOF players who never won a playoff series as a starter.

Guys like Walt Bellamy might be legends but they never actually...did anything.

HOF or not Pau was a HOF level player on the Lakers....of what relevance is anything else?

We are talking basketball playing. On the floor. What you do to help your team win. At the time....Pau played HOF ball. If he makes the HOF hes no better in retrospect.

Dennis Johnson wasnt a HOf player till he died. But he was a HOF player from like 1978-1988. Bob Mcadoo didnt make the HOF for years. Nor did Artis Gilmore. Jamaal Wilkes didnt make it till what...last year? Till then Rick Barry would be on the winning without a HOF teammate list.

Barry now less impressive? Is Wilkes better?

No. This shit means nothing.
:applause:

[kennethgriffin]

4-time DPOY, 5 All-Defensive 1st teams, 3 top 10 finishes for MVP. Sounds like a legend, especially if you count Bill Walton. And Wallace didn't win Finals MVP, Billups did.


ben wallace is not a legend

hes a great defensive player. but thats about it.. dennis rodman made the hall of fame by a hair, he slipped in

and he had twice as many rebounds, was twice the defensive player, and won 5 times as many rings

[ShaqAttack3234]

There's a good chance Pau makes the HOF, especially when international play is considered. His impact on 2 championship teams and 3 finals teams alone will get him quite a bit of consideration. Although the HOF is about accomplishments, not how great you actually were as a player, but that actually helps his case more.

2 all-nba third teams, 1 all-nba second team, 4-time all-star, '02 rookie of the year, 2 championships, 3 finals appearances, career averages of over 18/9/3 on 52% shooting through 12 seasons, 2 Olympic silver medals.

Even if he doesn't make the HOF, what does that mean? He was a borderline top 10 player for both of those championships, which is about what most championship second options have been.

[kennethgriffin]

Pau has a decent shot. And if he doesnt make it hes factually better and more accomplished than many already there. He was leading teams of role players to 50 wins in Memphis though they never did anything in the playoffs. There are HOF players who never won a playoff series as a starter.

Guys like Walt Bellamy might be legends but they never actually...did anything.

HOF or not Pau was a HOF level player on the Lakers....of what relevance is anything else?

We are talking basketball playing. On the floor. What you do to help your team win. At the time....Pau played HOF ball. If he makes the HOF hes no better in retrospect.

Dennis Johnson wasnt a HOf player till he died. But he was a HOF player from like 1978-1988. Bob Mcadoo didnt make the HOF for years. Nor did Artis Gilmore. Jamaal Wilkes didnt make it till what...last year? Till then Rick Barry would be on the winning without a HOF teammate list.

Barry now less impressive? Is Wilkes better?

No. This shit means nothing.


pau was a hall of famer.... for about 3 years... yes

you have to play like that for around 10 years to make it

theres been past mistakes where guys got in undeserving yes... but baring a tragedy... pau is not a hall of famer in the factual or probable sense of the word

hypothetical hall of fame? sure

[D.J.]

ben wallace is not a legend

hes a great defensive player. but thats about it.. dennis rodman made the hall of fame by a hair, he slipped in

and he had twice as many rebounds, was twice the defensive player, and won 5 times as many rings


You also realize that David Stern, his peeps, and the media hated Rodman with a passion. I'm sorry, but Wallace and Mutombo have the most DPOY's of anyone to ever play. No one is saying Wallace is better than Rodman, but to say Wallace isn't a legend simply isn't true. A 6'7" center with 4 DPOYs and 5 All-Defensive 1st teams is a legend.

[TOLATE]

u right about kobes 2009 champion,pau wasnt a hof that year [YET]

[Bigsmoke]

true and KG was basically on one leg but I was disappointed that he got out matched by Gasol in 2010

Gasol was a better player by then :biggums:

[kennethgriffin]

You also realize that David Stern, his peeps, and the media hated Rodman with a passion. I'm sorry, but Wallace and Mutombo have the most DPOY's of anyone to ever play. No one is saying Wallace is better than Rodman, but to say Wallace isn't a legend simply isn't true. A 6'7" center with 4 DPOYs and 5 All-Defensive 1st teams is a legend.


ben wallace is a nobody though. he was never a guy people paid to see. he will be easly forgotten

he was purely just a shot blocking rebounder.. the most popular thing about the guy was his hair

who had a ben wallace jersey in the state of michigan during that piston run... prob not allot of people


rodman jerseys on the other hand... everyone has one.. i have one

[MMM]

Gasol was a better player by then :biggums:

agreed, just disappointed that I witness and realized that in the finals

[R.I.P.]

Gasol is going in the hall of fame you ****ing retard

Did he really get banned for speaking the truth, in a slightly unpleasant tone. :cry:

[D.J.]

ben wallace is a nobody though. he was never a guy people paid to see. he will be easly forgotten


If he's going to be easily forgotten, so will Mutombo.



he was purely just a shot blocking rebounder.. the most popular thing about the guy was his hair


He was a defensive anchor who anchored the best modern defensive team.



who had a ben wallace jersey in the state of michigan during that piston run... prob not allot of people


I saw a lot of Ben Wallace jerseys here in NYC. I'm sure there were just as many in Michigan.



rodman jerseys on the other hand... everyone has one.. i have one



Everyone huh?

[MMM]

ben wallace is a nobody though. he was never a guy people paid to see.

who had a ben wallace jersey in the state of michigan during that piston run... prob not allot of people


:biggums:

also there are people who actually appreciate the entire game of basketball and enjoy watching defense and hustle

[ShaqAttack3234]

u right about kobes 2009 champion,pau wasnt a hof that year [YET]

He played at a level easily comparable to many in the HOF. Pau was great in 2009. Around top 10 in the league. But if that's your criteria then how can Duncan be excluded from the list? Or Dirk for that matter? Pau in 2009 was at least at a similar level to Pierce in 2008, Shaq in 2006 and Kobe in 2000 to name a few recent examples.

[Kblaze8855]

You are as good as you are at the time. If you play HOF ball your team won with a HOf level player. A vote 20 years later has nothing to do with basketball.

Kobe won with a HOF level bigman....5 times.

Nothing to be ashamed of. Better players than Kobe won with more talent than hes had. And better players than Kobe have lost with more talent than hes had. Worse players have led less talented teams....past Kobe.

It doesnt really matter. Cant win em all. Bird lost to teams nobody even remembers. Bob Cousy didnt even make the finals before russell with 3 all NBA first team players to help him. At one point the Lakers had arguably 3 of the 5 greatest players of all time all near their primes on one team and lost anyway.

Great teams tend to win...sometimes they dont. Winning while great isnt a knock on the winner. People get emotional online and try to disregard everything anyone they hate on does.

So you discredit Lebron as if playing a few less games before Christmas makes winning in June irrelevant and some point out that Kobe won with Shaq doing 38/16 and then missed the playoffs or lost in the first round 3 years straight before he had another bigman playing HOF ball.

The Lebron side will hate on Kobe the Kobe side will hate on Lebron. What...the...****...ever.

It took a great effort to win in 2012 and Lebron played all time elite ball in doing it with a team that did not have Wade or Bosh playing near the ball that made them who they are. And Kobe played a pretty big role in the first ring, and was a superstar for 2 more, and was the main reason his team won 2 when he was leading them.

The rest..."eh" status.

[ShaqAttack3234]

You are as good as you are at the time. If you play HOF ball your team won with a HOf level player. A vote 20 years later has nothing to do with basketball.

Kobe won with a HOF level bigman....5 times.

Nothing to be ashamed of. Better players than Kobe won with more talent than hes had. And better players than Kobe have lost with more talent than hes had. Worse players have led less talented teams....past Kobe.

It doesnt really matter. Cant win em all. Bird lost to teams nobody even remembers. Bob Cousy didnt even make the finals before russell with 3 all NBA first team players to help him. At one point the Lakers had arguably 3 of the 5 greatest players of all time all near their primes on one team and lost anyway.

Great teams tend to win...sometimes they dont. Winning while great isnt a knock on the winner. People get emotional online and try to disregard everything anyone they hate on does.

So you discredit Lebron as if playing a few less games before Christmas makes winning in June irrelevant and some point out that Kobe won with Shaq doing 38/16 and then missed the playoffs or lost in the first round 3 years straight before he had another bigman playing HOF ball.

The Lebron side will hate on Kobe the Kobe side will hate on Lebron. What...the...****...ever.

It took a great effort to win in 2012 and Lebron played all time elite ball in doing it with a team that did not have Wade or Bosh playing near the ball that made them who they are. And Kobe played a pretty big role in the first ring, and was a superstar for 2 more, and was the main reason his team won 2 when he was leading them.

The rest..."eh" status.

Great post. This should end the thread. Sadly, it won't.

[kennethgriffin]

If he's going to be easily forgotten, so will Mutombo.

He was a defensive anchor who anchored the best modern defensive team.

I saw a lot of Ben Wallace jerseys here in NYC. I'm sure there were just as many in Michigan.

Everyone huh?

A) mutombo was an iconic figure. his look, his voice, he invented the finger wave, the classic moment of clutching the ball on the ground after the playoff upset, he was a personable guy too, verry outgoing and popular with the fans.

wallace on the other hand has no character, no charisma, nothing that touched the crowd. he was great at what he did. but he wasnt an icon like mutombo. if the nuggets won the title. the media would have voted mutombo mvp. when the pistons won. they voted for chauncy. nuff said

B) the pistons were a flair up. they had a short lived run. 1 title and failures/chokings. no casual fans really remember them

C) ben wasnt even the most popular wallace on the pistons.

D) ya... dennis rodman is one of the most popular nba players in history. i would say hes one of the most recognizable sports figures in the world actually

north korean dictators have his poster above their bed for god sake

wheres ben wallaces.. spike tv pro vs jo, fear factor, apprentice, peoples court and other reality tv deals?

[kennethgriffin]

You are as good as you are at the time. If you play HOF ball your team won with a HOf level player. A vote 20 years later has nothing to do with basketball.

Kobe won with a HOF level bigman....5 times.

Nothing to be ashamed of. Better players than Kobe won with more talent than hes had. And better players than Kobe have lost with more talent than hes had. Worse players have led less talented teams....past Kobe.

It doesnt really matter. Cant win em all. Bird lost to teams nobody even remembers. Bob Cousy didnt even make the finals before russell with 3 all NBA first team players to help him. At one point the Lakers had arguably 3 of the 5 greatest players of all time all near their primes on one team and lost anyway.

Great teams tend to win...sometimes they dont. Winning while great isnt a knock on the winner. People get emotional online and try to disregard everything anyone they hate on does.

So you discredit Lebron as if playing a few less games before Christmas makes winning in June irrelevant and some point out that Kobe won with Shaq doing 38/16 and then missed the playoffs or lost in the first round 3 years straight before he had another bigman playing HOF ball.

The Lebron side will hate on Kobe the Kobe side will hate on Lebron. What...the...****...ever.

It took a great effort to win in 2012 and Lebron played all time elite ball in doing it with a team that did not have Wade or Bosh playing near the ball that made them who they are. And Kobe played a pretty big role in the first ring, and was a superstar for 2 more, and was the main reason his team won 2 when he was leading them.

The rest..."eh" status.


maybe pau was only good for such a short period of time because he was playing with a top 6-7 all time legend at the highest peak of his basketball career?

eh?


kobe made paus career. kobe could have taken any solid big who was a boarderline allstar averaging 17ppg and made them a 2 time champion

[D.J.]

A) mutombo was an iconic figure. his look, his voice, he invented the finger wave, the classic moment of clutching the ball on the ground after the playoff upset, he was a personable guy too, verry outgoing and popular with the fans.


wallace on the other hand has no character, no charisma, nothing that touched the crowd. he was great at what he did. but he wasnt an icon like mutombo. if the nuggets won the title. the media would have voted mutombo mvp. when the pistons won. they voted for chauncy. nuff said


Ben had many fans. His hair alone made him popular. Saying he has no character is an insult to him. Ben was still more popular than Chauncey.



B) the pistons were a flair up. they had a short lived run. 1 title and failures/chokings. no casual fans really remember them


You'd be surprised.



C) ben wasnt even the most popular wallace on the pistons.


Chauncey? Rip? Rasheed? Prince? Not a chance.



D) ya... dennis rodman is one of the most popular nba players in history. i would say hes one of the most recognizable sports figures in the world actually


north korean dictators have his poster above their bed for god sake

wheres ben wallaces.. spike tv pro vs jo, fear factor, apprentice, peoples court and other reality tv deals?[/QUOTE]


He's remembered for his playing ability and his antics. So because some ***** doesn't have Ben Wallace's poster in his bedroom, he's not a legend?

[Kblaze8855]

Lamar Odom was the definition of a solid big borderline all star putting up 17ppg. He put up 17/10/4 on the Heat the season before Kobe got him. If you had to define a borderline all star for this era it has to be like...Lamar Odom....or maybe Antawn Jamison? One of those "Always talked about in all star picking situation" guys.

And I was here listening to Laker fans act like Odom, Caron Butler, and Chris Mihm were gonna fall in line and be led to contender status by Kobe though it seems 9 years later they were garbage....

Anyway...there are literally 30 topics on Kobe and Lebron on the first 3 pages. You really realy reeeeeeeeeally need this to continue?

[kennethgriffin]

Ben had many fans. His hair alone made him popular. Saying he has no character is an insult to him. Ben was still more popular than Chauncey.





You'd be surprised.





Chauncey? Rip? Rasheed? Prince? Not a chance.





north korean dictators have his poster above their bed for god sake

wheres ben wallaces.. spike tv pro vs jo, fear factor, apprentice, peoples court and other reality tv deals?

He's remembered for his playing ability and his antics. So because some ***** doesn't have Ben Wallace's poster in his bedroom, he's not a legend?






a defensive legend... ya

an all around basketball legend? no


guys can be dunking legends. but not be a basketball legend


only being good at one area rarely gets you in the hall of fame

look at michael cooper

to be just great at D and still make the hall of fame. you gotta be a polarizing figure that transcends the game

which is why i bring up bens lack of impact on the fans... he was a gimmick for a while with his hair. but thats about it

he wasnt a guy people played ball on the streets and said... i'm gonna lock you up like big ben

lol


nobody i know even remembers the guy. but they all remember dennis and deke

[D.J.]

He's remembered for his playing ability and his antics. So because some ***** doesn't have Ben Wallace's poster in his bedroom, he's not a legend?


a defensive legend... ya

a legend? no


guys can be dunking legends. but not be a basketball legend


only being good at one area rarely gets you in the hall of fame[/QUOTE]


Being a dunking legend won't get you into the HOF. A defensive legend will. And Ben's playing ability will get him to the HOF, just as it did with Rodman.

[arifgokcen]

Pau will definitely be HOFer

[Kblaze8855]

Then you dont know basketball fans.

Im gonna go bullshit in the next room for a while and lock this upon my return since another mod is gonna delete it soon anyway. Figure ill just lock it so you can get whatever you need to say out and feel like it was heard.

You may not like it...but I assure you me locking this topic is the only way its seen at all past the next few minutes. Try to see the favor in that.

[kennethgriffin]

Lamar Odom was the definition of a solid big borderline all star putting up 17ppg. He put up 17/10/4 on the Heat the season before Kobe got him. If you had to define a borderline all star for this era it has to be like...Lamar Odom....or maybe Antawn Jamison? One of those "Always talked about in all star picking situation" guys.

And I was here listening to Laker fans act like Odom, Caron Butler, and Chris Mihm were gonna fall in line and be led to contender status by Kobe though it seems 9 years later they were garbage....

Anyway...there are literally 30 topics on Kobe and Lebron on the first 3 pages. You really realy reeeeeeeeeally need this to continue?


well it would be nice to see how far one of my threads can continue for a change.. lets see it slip off the front page for once. are my threads really that polarizing that they need to be locked or deleted whenever you feel theyve lost their luster lol

i'd like to come back later and see what other people have to say about paus chances. maybe some new insight from other posters could convince me that i'm wrong. who knows

[ShaqAttack3234]

kobe made paus career. kobe could have taken any solid big who was a boarderline allstar averaging 17ppg and made them a 2 time champion

I know I shouldn't take the bait, especially since your memory is so short that you don't even remember that Ben Wallace was quite popular. Hell, after Detroit won the title he was on the cover of one of those major NBA video games, and yes, there were a lot of Ben Wallace jerseys, the arena was filled with them whenever I watched Piston games as well as signs, "Fear The Fro" ect. and they'd play that gong in the Piston arena when he'd block a shot or something.

Anyway, I'll have some fun with this statement. You say any solid big man and borderline all-star averaging 17 ppg?

In 2008, that includes Zach Randolph on the 23 win Knicks, Antawn Jamison, Josh Smith, Carlos Boozer, Lamarcus Aldridge, Al Jefferson on the 22 win Wolves, Chris Kaman on the 23 win Clippers(averaed 16/13, I remember him getting all-star consideration and he made the team 2 years later) and David West.

So who do you think they could have gotten instead of Pau and had the same result out of these guys?

If Pau was only a borderline all-star, then why was such a big deal made out of the Gasol trade before he even played a game with LA, much less won 2 titles?

[kennethgriffin]

a defensive legend... ya

a legend? no


guys can be dunking legends. but not be a basketball legend


only being good at one area rarely gets you in the hall of fame


Being a dunking legend won't get you into the HOF. A defensive legend will. And Ben's playing ability will get him to the HOF, just as it did with Rodman.






you'd be surprised just how rare it is..

only the really popular ones make it. and usually nowhere near first ballot

theres just waaaay too many more deserving guys from the 2000's era who will make it before ben. then after that 20 year window passes and hes next in line. a whole crop of new guys will again be more deserving.

[Jolokia]

Paul Gasol's totals outmatches someone like James Worthy and Rodman who's already in the HOF. He was the Rookie of the Year. He could average 20/10/4 any given night and regarded one of the top passers and mid-range shooters of his position. Pretty good paint protector and scorer too. Blocks more shots than Rodman...not trying to take anything away from Rodman as one of the best rebounder and defenders ever. You also can't discount Pau's championships and value to Memphis and LA.

And just remember, he had to go against 3 other future HOF and top 30 all-time player ever in TD, KG, and Dirk in the Western Conference...not to mention Amare was peaking too (plus we all know these awards are somewhat a popularity contest too). That took away some of his all-star appearances and all-team selections.

Adding on all his international awards and accolades and he has accomplished a lot as a basketball player. HOF worthy. Almost surefire.

[kennethgriffin]

I know I shouldn't take the bait, especially since your memory is so short that you don't even remember that Ben Wallace was quite popular. Hell, after Detroit won the title he was on the cover of one of those major NBA video games, and yes, there were a lot of Ben Wallace jerseys, the arena was filled with them whenever I watched Piston games as well as signs, "Fear The Fro" ect. and they'd play that gong in the Piston arena when he'd block a shot or something.

Anyway, I'll have some fun with this statement. You say any solid big man and borderline all-star averaging 17 ppg?

In 2008, that includes Zach Randolph on the 23 win Knicks, Antawn Jamison, Josh Smith, Carlos Boozer, Lamarcus Aldridge, Al Jefferson on the 22 win Wolves, Chris Kaman on the 23 win Clippers(averaed 16/13, I remember him getting all-star consideration and he made the team 2 years later) and David West.

So who do you think they could have gotten instead of Pau and had the same result out of these guys?

If Pau was only a borderline all-star, then why was such a big deal made out of the Gasol trade before he even played a game with LA, much less won 2 titles?


pau never really impressed me as a big man... only averaging double digit rebounds 3 times in 14 years

his outside game, shying away on defense

i'm actually surprised the lakers won those titles with pau in the middle.. usually you need a tough defensive big man... bynum never played those 2 years either. he was benched in the 4th q's.. and didnt start

pau was a great player during that run. but he could have been replaced easly

[Kblaze8855]

I dont believe for a second you care what anyone says. I think this is all a game to you mostly to annoy a few people. You know you arent convincing people of anything and they arent gonna make you change either. I just try to be a little understanding because believe it or not you remind me of my little cousin who is 19 and makes outlandish claims that would get him banned from here every day....but I understand boredom and needing to pass the time. You dont seem to be hurting anyone...just...not really being reasonable and talking about bullshit....and somehow never getting sick of Lebron and Kobe.

We dont need these topics....and I dont need my cousin telling me Carmelo is better than Jordan because "They aint even play defense back then!". But I dont put him out of my house. I just beat him on 2k and teach him who Joe Dumars was.

You may or may not be a "young punk". But seeing you as one makes it easier to not just delete on sight. Since you are determined to play this out ill leave it alone....and someone else will likely delete it. As I said...my way more people would see it...but whatever.

Im going to Arbys and maybe play some ball with the neighborhood kids......

[Vertical-24]

My nygga if I have to explain to you that Pau Gasol was/is a great basketball player and will be in the HOF then you're the worst Lakers fan / basketball fan ever. This is not up for dispute. The man's a great basketball player.

It's because he's not a LAKERS fan, he's a KOBE troll. Of course Pau will be in the HOF.

[kennethgriffin]

Paul Gasol's totals outmatches someone like James Worthy and Rodman who's already in the HOF. He was the Rookie of the Year. He could average 20/10/4 any given night and regarded one of the top passers and mid-range shooters of his position. Pretty good paint protector and scorer too. Blocks more shots than Rodman...not trying to take anything away from Rodman as one of the best rebounder and defenders ever. You also can't discount Pau's championships and value to Memphis and LA.

And just remember, he had to go against 3 other future HOF and top 30 all-time player ever in TD, KG, and Dirk in the Western Conference...not to mention Amare was peaking too (plus we all know these awards are somewhat a popularity contest too). That took away some of his all-star appearances and all-team selections.

Adding on all his international awards and accolades and he has accomplished a lot as a basketball player. HOF worthy. Almost surefire.

:biggums:

worthy played for like 10 years and rodman was only a rebounder/defensive player

[HEAT111]

- kobe bryant 2009 and 2010
- Hakeem Olajuwon 1994
- Bill Walton 1977


that is all

not a single guy will make the hall of fame from their teams


http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa280/cashforcards/r4g3_zpsf63e2060.png

none of these guys will make it

pau = 4 time allstar, 2 time third team all nba ( finished )
bynum = 1 time allstar ( finished )
artest = 1 time allstar ( finished )
odom = 0 allstar selections ( finished )


pau was the only guy with a serious chance. but he had such a small peak from 2009-2010.... before that he was a nobody. after that he sucked

now hes his teams 7th best player



these 3 guys went against the natural order of things. sometimes all you need is 1 great player and a bunch of role players.. walton and kobe turned lucas and pau into great players for a brief moment in their careers.

we should all give these 3 guys the credit they deserve

:bowdown:


Here's the case for the dumbest poster on insidehoops :applause: :applause: :applause:

[Mr Exlax]

It's because he's not a LAKERS fan, he's a KOBE troll. Of course Pau will be in the HOF.

Ahhh that explains it all. I am no longer gonna waste my time lol.

[kennethgriffin]

I dont believe for a second you care what anyone says. I think this is all a game to you mostly to annoy a few people. You know you arent convincing people of anything and they arent gonna make you change either. I just try to be a little understanding because believe it or not you remind me of my little cousin who is 19 and makes outlandish claims that would get him banned from here every day....but I understand boredom and needing to pass the time. You dont seem to be hurting anyone...just...not really being reasonable and talking about bullshit....and somehow never getting sick of Lebron and Kobe.

We dont need these topics....and I dont need my cousin telling me Carmelo is better than Jordan because "They aint even play defense back then!". But I dont put him out of my house. I just beat him on 2k and teach him who Joe Dumars was.

You may or may not be a "young punk". But seeing you as one makes it easier to not just delete on sight. Since you are determined to play this out ill leave it alone....and someone else will likely delete it. As I said...my way more people would see it...but whatever.

Im going to Arbys and maybe play some ball with the neighborhood kids......


you take moderating too personal. you need a less agenda driven way of modding, descriminating based on assumptions and biased opinions isnt a good way to run a board. assuming i dont care about what i say and assuming nobody will ever change their mind about anything to delete whatever you want seems a bit harsh.

you should moderate everyone equally. and if someone is just calmly talking about basketball and the thread is popular and bringing in traffic, more money to the website. then i see nothing wrong with it. if talking about the 2 most important, popular players in basketball is boring to you. then maybe moderating isnt your thing.

i would say that 99% of basketball fans talk about those 2 guys because theyre carrying our league. we cant just punish people for being fans either. if someone has a biased opinion. thats their right. but if everything people say doesnt have meaning or a possibility of changing other peoples minds then why even have a debate or discussion in the first place.

i think allot of missinformed people learn a great deal from forums and threads. if we just went by what hollinger and espn told us then nobody would even know anyone but lebron and the heat exist. kids need people like me to challenge them and remind them of the past.

[HEAT111]

you take moderating too personal. you need a less agenda driven way of modding, descriminating based on assumptions and biased opinions isnt a good way to run a board. assuming i dont care about what i say and assuming nobody will ever change their mind about anything to delete whatever you want seems a bit harsh.

you should moderate everyone equally. and if someone is just calmly talking about basketball and the thread is popular and bringing in traffic, more money to the website. then i see nothing wrong with it. if talking about the 2 most important, popular players in basketball is boring to you. then maybe moderating isnt your thing.

i would say that 99% of basketball fans talk about those 2 guys because theyre carrying our league. we cant just punish people for being fans either. if someone has a biased opinion. thats their right. but if everything people say doesnt have meaning or a possibility of changing other peoples minds then why even have a debate or discussion in the first place.

i think allot of missinformed people learn a great deal from forums and threads. if we just went by what hollinger and espn told us then nobody would even know anyone but lebron and the heat exist. kids need people like me to challenge them and remind them of the past.


He's doing his job while other posters like you keep on BS with 30+ topics of the same nonsense...

[kennethgriffin]

He's doing his job while other posters like you keep on BS with 30+ topics of the same nonsense...

so your saying the mods arnt doing their job for the most part. and only picking on a few people?

since there are 30 topics of the same nonsense right? thats not good moderating IMO

why only pick on 1 or 2 guys. why not wipe the board clean of all the lebron/jordan loverboy threads too?

why just anything pro lakers or pro kobe


:confusedshrug:

if the boards full of needless threads... maybe we need new mods? i have at most 1-2 threads open per day... so theres 28 other ones? shameful moderating

[kennethgriffin]

notice how everyone who agrees with mods are lebron, heat fans.. they love it here
:lol

[MMM]

you take moderating too personal. you need a less agenda driven way of modding

This is amazing, are you seriously saying someone else is agenda driven
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[chips93]

did any of walton's 77 portland teammates make the hall of fame? im pretty sure he was the only hall of famer on that team.

[Mr Exlax]

notice how everyone who agrees with mods are lebron, heat fans.. they love it here
:lol

Not everyone. I think Kobe's the most talented basketball player ever. He's not the best though. I also think Pau Gasol is a HOF player. I still think Hakeem's ring was the toughest to attain. No allstar or HOF teammate. No 1-2 punch. Just him and the rest of the team.

[Rubio2Gasol]

It's sad when people fool themselves into believing this garbage.

[NumberSix]

Kobe is not a legend, he's a myth. Thread fail.

[NBASTATMAN]

Stat wise he compares favorably to Mchale. Pau already has more rebounds and more assists than Mchale had in his entire career. And has played over 130 games less than Mchale. If Pau plays for two more years he will have nearly the same amount of points as well.

And he should have been MVP of the finals in 2010.

He also won a title with Barcelona and was MVP of that team as well.

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[kurple]

my thread should not have been deleted. it was groundbreaking

and also kennethgriffin. you made me wanna watch the truman show again, **** you!

[MMM]

my thread should not have been deleted. it was groundbreaking

and also kennethgriffin. you made me wanna watch the truman show again, **** you!

it really was, i wished i saved thatpost

[Nevaeh]

ben wallace is a nobody though. he was never a guy people paid to see. he will be easly forgotten

he was purely just a shot blocking rebounder.. the most popular thing about the guy was his hair

who had a ben wallace jersey in the state of michigan during that piston run... prob not allot of people


rodman jerseys on the other hand... everyone has one.. i have one

Dude, Ben Wallace helped his team give one of the greatest beat downs of a Laker team in their entire Finals history. He'll be a Legend because of that alone.

http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif

Not to mention he was also was the cover athlete for NBA2k5 (then known as ESPN, I believe). And yes, I've seen peeps rocking his jersey plenty, females included.

[All Net]

notice how everyone who agrees with mods are lebron, heat fans.. they love it here
:lol

Mods aren't biased towards Lebron at all...when you post complete crap and make troll like topics it doesn't matter who it is about..it will get deleted.

the mods are fans of

Bulls
Lakers
Celtics

why the hell would we be pro Lebron? it's called doing our jobs and deleting crap.

[kurple]

it really was, i wished i saved thatpost
i dont know if i'm even able to re-write it.

the gods (also called lame mods) must not think we are ready

[chips93]

it really was, i wished i saved thatpost

what was it about?

[MisterAmazing]

notice how everyone who agrees with mods are lebron, heat fans.. they love it here
:lol

I'm not a heat fan and I agree with their every word. You're obvious agenda is disgusting.

[ShaqAttack3234]

pau never really impressed me as a big man... only averaging double digit rebounds 3 times in 14 years

his outside game, shying away on defense

i'm actually surprised the lakers won those titles with pau in the middle.. usually you need a tough defensive big man... bynum never played those 2 years either. he was benched in the 4th q's.. and didnt start

At the time, you could have made a case for Pau being both the best post scorer and best passing big man. Plus he was very unselfish and intelligent offensively. He fit right into the triangle almost instantly. He was also solid defensively during those 2 years, his unusual length made him a factor around the rim and he rebounded quite well during the back to back runs. In fact, the rebounding of Gasol and Odom was one of the Lakers big advantages.

The Lakers were 22-4 with Gasol during the 2008 regular season. The Lakers had lost Bynum for the season by the time he arrived so Gasol was essentially added to a team that had been barely over .500 and a team that lost in the first round to a team that dominated the West in the playoffs. And Gasol improved noticeably in '09.

That's an enormous impact.


pau was a great player during that run. but he could have been replaced easly

Wait, so he was a great player, yet he never really impressed you? And great players can't be replaced.

If he was so easily replaceable then which of those big men I named could have replaced Pau with the same result? And what big men in the league could have replaced him in 2010? The Lakers had a difficult time with both OKC and Phoenix and pretty much beat Boston by getting a few rebounds. That was with Pau playing the best ball of his career.

[kennethgriffin]

ofcourse kobe needed pau

ofcourse paus a hall of famer


common sense people.. jesus

:roll:

[kurple]

what was it about?
"classic denial rampage

kennethgriffin is now on the last stage of Stanesia. The virus that makes you a stan. he is only now after many years of missery realizing how overrated kobe is, and is therefore trying to convince everyone (himself ESPECIALLY) that he isnt

kobe stans are usually in so deep its a miracle he's even showing signs of improvement

we can help you overcome your stanesia!

I also pray for Mr.Jabbar and his family, cuz his virus seems to have gone too far up his asshole"

[kennethgriffin]

"classic denial rampage

kennethgriffin is now on the last stage of Stanesia. The virus that makes you a stan. he is only now after many years of missery realizing how overrated kobe is, and is therefore trying to convince everyone (himself ESPECIALLY) that he isnt

kobe stans are usually in so deep its a miracle he's even showing signs of improvement

we can help you overcome your stanesia!

I also pray for Mr.Jabbar and his family, cuz his virus seems to have gone too far up his asshole"

if only you knew the truth

:lol

[The Choken One]

"classic denial rampage

kennethgriffin is now on the last stage of Stanesia. The virus that makes you a stan. he is only now after many years of missery realizing how overrated kobe is, and is therefore trying to convince everyone (himself ESPECIALLY) that he isnt

kobe stans are usually in so deep its a miracle he's even showing signs of improvement

we can help you overcome your stanesia!

I also pray for Mr.Jabbar and his family, cuz his virus seems to have gone too far up his asshole"
good god you're a loser.

grats.

[kurple]

good god you're a loser.

grats.
lol grats

when does your avi bet end?

[BoutPractice]

Whether or not Gasol is a Hall of Famer, it's undeniable that the Lakers have been incredibly stacked as a whole since 2008. It would take a lot of intellectual dishonesty to argue otherwise.

[Donkey4trading]

Whether or not Gasol is a Hall of Famer, it's undeniable that the Lakers have been incredibly stacked as a whole since 2008. It would take a lot of intellectual dishonesty to argue otherwise.


are you saying you're the only one capable of making this argument?

:biggums:

[raptorfan_dr07]

kobe made paus career. kobe could have taken any solid big who was a boarderline allstar averaging 17ppg and made them a 2 time champion

Is that why he's turned Dwight Howard, who was the best big man in the game not even a year ago and a legit MVP candidate, into an average player?


kids need people like me to challenge them and remind them of the past.

You don't remind people of sh*t except for how overrated Kobe is. Your ignorant ramblings reek of some 15 year old moron.


notice how everyone who agrees with mods are lebron, heat fans.. they love it here
:lol

RedBlackAttack - Cavs fan
AllNet - Lakers fan
Kblaze - Bulls fan
RMWG - Celtics fan
Inspired Lebowski - Pacers fan
Stroshow - Stromile Swift fan

Why the f*ck would any of them be pro Lebron and pro Heat??? They, like many of us, are pro intelligence and I have to say, in the 4-5 years I've been on ISH, you are by far the dumbest piece of sh*t I've seen. Please do us all a favor and smash your computer and cancel your internet. Nobody wants you here.

[LikeABosh]

Gasol is going to be in the Hall of Fame. No one cares about your shitty opinion. Thank god you don't have a vote

[DMAVS41]

18/11/3
20/11/4

LOL

Pau is not any worse now. He's been marginalized and is playing a difficult role for him.

But I would also like to point out that Kobe fans always claimed that Kobe "made" Gasol...

So what is happening now? If you are going to credit Kobe for the good play of a player...why not the bad?

[RRR3]

Hey Griff, what's with the avy change? Decided to give LBJ credit :lol

[chips93]

Pau is not any worse now. He's been marginalized and is playing a difficult role for him.

really? he looks far slower to me, and his jumper is much worse. he doesnt play with the aggression he had during the two title seasons. his rebounding and defense used to be strengths of his, now hes a minor liabilty. his passing is still elite for his position though.

[LikeABosh]

Gasol was the MVP of the 2010 finals

[MMM]

Hey Griff, what's with the avy change? Decided to give LBJ credit :lol

Griff came out of the closest

[MMM]

Gasol was the MVP of the 2010 finals

As a Celtic fan I strongly disagree. We were focused entirely on Kobe and right fully so. Gasol being the capable player that he was exploited when possible. That series was very hard fought though, seemed like everybody played ugly basketball because of how physically taxing it was.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

agreed, just disappointed that I witness and realized that in the finals
now kg is the better player again. funny how that works out.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Is that why he's turned Dwight Howard, who was the best big man in the game not even a year ago and a legit MVP candidate, into an average player?

I don't think this part is fair. Dwight's athleticism hasn't been particularly close to what it was, and his skills have even gone down the toilet as well. These things have nothing to do with Kobe. The change in systems hurt some as well. He went from a Magic team whose offense was built around him with shooters spacing the floor, a good amount of post touches and tons of screen/rolls which got him good looks around the rim or allowed him to get deep position to a system which has never been good for centers. Dwight also seemed to play harder in general in Orlando, although he's giving better effort lately.

[chazzy]

Pau is not any worse now. He's been marginalized and is playing a difficult role for him.

really? he looks far slower to me, and his jumper is much worse. he doesnt play with the aggression he had during the two title seasons. his rebounding and defense used to be strengths of his, now hes a minor liabilty. his passing is still elite for his position though.
This. Pau has clearly declined and has very little lower body strength now. He can't abuse defenders on the low block the way he used to and it's surprising when he dunks now. He looks this way regardless of whether Dwight is on the floor or not. If anything, it's his defense that's made the biggest decline.

If the Lakers had 09 or 10 Gasol right now they would have HCA. He was that much better than he is right now

[Rubio2Gasol]

As a Celtic fan I strongly disagree. We were focused entirely on Kobe and right fully so. Gasol being the capable player that he was exploited when possible. That series was very hard fought though, seemed like everybody played ugly basketball because of how physically taxing it was.

One of the most magnificently coached series I've ever seen.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Is that why he's turned Dwight Howard, who was the best big man in the game not even a year ago and a legit MVP candidate, into an average player?



You don't remind people of sh*t except for how overrated Kobe is. Your ignorant ramblings reek of some 15 year old moron.



RedBlackAttack - Cavs fan
AllNet - Lakers fan
Kblaze - Bulls fan
RMWG - Celtics fan
Inspired Lebowski - Pacers fan
Stroshow - Stromile Swift fan

Why the f*ck would any of them be pro Lebron and pro Heat??? They, like many of us, are pro intelligence and I have to say, in the 4-5 years I've been on ISH, you are by far the dumbest piece of sh*t I've seen. Please do us all a favor and smash your computer and cancel your internet. Nobody wants you here.

:applause:

would rep if i could.

[fos]

Well at least he had some all-stars. Dirk Nowitzki needs no such thing. :banana:

[millwad]

Pau is a HOF:er, anyone who thinks anything else is an idiot and have no clue about international basketball.

Hell, in my book Scola is in the HOF as well considering his success with the Argentinian national team and his dominance in the european basketball scene.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

18/11/3
20/11/4

LOL

Pau is not any worse now. He's been marginalized and is playing a difficult role for him.

But I would also like to point out that Kobe fans always claimed that Kobe "made" Gasol...

So what is happening now? If you are going to credit Kobe for the good play of a player...why not the bad?

Kobe made Gasol into a household name so much though that he can put up a 13/8 line on weak efficiency and terrible defense and people will delude themselves into thinking he's still an All league player. :facepalm

[MMM]

One of the most magnificently coached series I've ever seen.

truly a slug fest


now kg is the better player again. funny how that works out.

Yea, KG was very good after he was moved to center last season but i think it has taken a toll on him, seems like retirement is around the corner.

Gasol is better than he has looked the last few years, it is just that the Lakers have redundancies that hurt his impact. Oddly enough I think a KG/Gasol Front court would actually be very complimentary.

[thesage]

Why respond to this guy? Everything he says is either meant to troll or is delusional.

[caliman]

- kobe bryant 2009 and 2010



bullsh*t!!!!

Anything to make Kobe look better I guess, but anyone with half a brain knows Gasol is going to the HOF. If it were strictly based on NBA play then probably not, but his international career will be factored in and he will make it.

[DMAVS41]

This. Pau has clearly declined and has very little lower body strength now. He can't abuse defenders on the low block the way he used to and it's surprising when he dunks now. He looks this way regardless of whether Dwight is on the floor or not. If anything, it's his defense that's made the biggest decline.

If the Lakers had 09 or 10 Gasol right now they would have HCA. He was that much better than he is right now

There is a difference between his impact being less and him actually being a worse player.

I guess the 2012 Olympics never happened.

But him in the right situation...like he was then...and you'd see similar stuff...just like you saw at the Olympics.

You couldn't have 10 Gasol on the current Lakers because he wouldn't be given the chance to play like he did. The emergence of Bynum and his changed role and now with Howard and this system is the main cause.

It doesn't even make sense to say "if the Lakers had 10 Gasol"...because he'd never even be given the ability to remotely produce like he did.

[chazzy]

There is a difference between his impact being less and him actually being a worse player.

I guess the 2012 Olympics never happened.

But him in the right situation...like he was then...and you'd see similar stuff...just like you saw at the Olympics.
Yeah he did look great in the Olympics.. but he's been like this for the past two playoff runs. Since the summer, he's dealt with knee tendinitis and plantar fasciitis, and then a torn planter fascia.. his lower body is just shot. He settles for way too many jumpers, and obviously that's part Dantoni, but he doesn't like to mix it up in the paint much now and he's just bad defensively. He is 32 after all so a decline is expected

'10 Gasol would just physically be much better and would help shore up the defense more importantly. Pau barely bends his knees now and people go through him and by him frequently, and he doesn't rotate to help Dwight quickly enough

[DMAVS41]

Yeah he did look great in the Olympics.. but he's been like this for the past two playoff runs. Since the summer, he's dealt with knee tendinitis and plantar fasciitis, and then a torn planter fascia.. his lower body is just shot. He settles for way too many jumpers, and obviously that's part Dantoni, but he doesn't like to mix it up in the paint much now and he's just bad defensively. He is 32 after all so a decline is expected

But you can't really claim that when you just got done saying he looked great in the olympics. Of course...if we are discussing injuries and he's not healthy...then it goes without saying that he's not the same guy.

But his role with the emergence of Bynum...and now this system and Howard is not giving him much chance at all to play the way he used to.

Lakers just aren't using Gasol properly in my opinion and it's impacting his play on the court and his mind as well...combine both and you get what has happened.

And we just saw him do all the things you claim he can't now...less than a year ago. If you want to claim "injury" as the reason right now..I can get behind that...but I can't get behind that for the entire time since 10....especially when you consider how well he played to start the 2011 season without Kobe. Has far more to do with role imo.

[Rubio2Gasol]

There is a difference between his impact being less and him actually being a worse player.

I guess the 2012 Olympics never happened.

But him in the right situation...like he was then...and you'd see similar stuff...just like you saw at the Olympics.

You are using a 2 game sample.

Pau has been struggling with injuries the entire year. The right situation would be very difficult to find right now....but more importantly, if he was more forceful in this situation he would have a greater impact.

It goes back to Dirk defending him 1 on 1 in the post, that doesn't happen if he wants to be there. He hasn't been forceful with his play since 11, which I think is one of the fundamental things that brought him success with LA. Now he just goes with the flow, and that's as much a product of a miguided offense as it is a product of his own mentality.

[DMAVS41]

You are using a 2 game sample.

Pau has been struggling with injuries the entire year. The right situation would be very difficult to find right now....but more importantly, if he was more forceful in this situation he would have a greater impact.

It goes back to Dirk defending him 1 on 1 in the post, that doesn't happen if he wants to be there. He hasn't been forceful with his play since 11, which I think is one of the fundamental things that brought him success with LA. Now he just goes with the flow, and that's as much a product of a miguided offense as it is a product of his own mentality.

The only tangible argument there is the injury one...which I already said I could get behind for talking about right now...but I don't think that covers the last 3 years.

Dirk can defend Gasol 1 on 1...why couldn't he? I'm confused if you think Gasol ever could just destroy Dirk 1 on 1...because that was never the case.

[Lebron23]

Terrible Terrible thread. Gasol is a first ballot hall of famer. He led Team Spain in the 2006 FIBA Championship. He should have been the Finals MVP in 2010.

[Rubio2Gasol]

The only tangible argument there is the injury one...which I already said I could get behind for talking about right now...but I don't think that covers the last 3 years.

Dirk can defend Gasol 1 on 1...why couldn't he? I'm confused if you think Gasol ever could just destroy Dirk 1 on 1...because that was never the case.

Dirk can't defend the Gasol that banged on Prime Howard and KG...that Pau would eat Dirk's food.

Dirk can defend the dude who loses desire to post up every time he loses contact and thinks the rest of the team will reciprocate him natural flow. He should have abused him down low and on the offensive glass like he did with everyone else the preceding years.

[LBJFTW]

Kobe getting a ring without a player that is going to the HOF?

Hahahahahahahaha!

That will be the day. Good try tho!

[Heavincent]

He should have been the Finals MVP in 2010.

To put it bluntly, you are just unbelievably stupid. Nothing else needs to be said.

[DMAVS41]

Dirk can't defend the Gasol that banged on Prime Howard and KG...that Pau would eat Dirk's food.

Dirk can defend the dude who loses desire to post up every time he loses contact and thinks the rest of the team will reciprocate him natural flow.

While I agree that Gasol is a great player...he was never so good that Dirk couldn't defend him 1 on 1 in the post without getting torn apart.

You must be thinking of something else that never actually happened.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Terrible Terrible thread. Gasol is a first ballot hall of famer. He led Team Spain in the 2006 FIBA Championship. He should have been the Finals MVP in 2010.


Lebron has never won a ring without playing alongside a FMVP and another all star.

[Lebron23]

To put it bluntly, you are just unbelievably stupid. Nothing else needs to be said.


You are the biggest idiot in this forum. When was the last time you play organize basketball??? You suck.

[Heavincent]

You are the biggest idiot in this forum. When was the last time you play organize basketball??? You suck.

Every time you post, you just strengthen my case.

[arifgokcen]

you take moderating too personal. you need a less agenda driven way of modding, descriminating based on assumptions and biased opinions isnt a good way to run a board. assuming i dont care about what i say and assuming nobody will ever change their mind about anything to delete whatever you want seems a bit harsh.

you should moderate everyone equally. and if someone is just calmly talking about basketball and the thread is popular and bringing in traffic, more money to the website. then i see nothing wrong with it. if talking about the 2 most important, popular players in basketball is boring to you. then maybe moderating isnt your thing.

i would say that 99% of basketball fans talk about those 2 guys because theyre carrying our league. we cant just punish people for being fans either. if someone has a biased opinion. thats their right. but if everything people say doesnt have meaning or a possibility of changing other peoples minds then why even have a debate or discussion in the first place.

i think allot of missinformed people learn a great deal from forums and threads. if we just went by what hollinger and espn told us then nobody would even know anyone but lebron and the heat exist. kids need people like me to challenge them and remind them of the past.
This is coming from you really

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

I am still laughing my ass off just smiles wasnt enough to express how much i am laughing

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Lebron23]

Gasol averaged 19 ppg on 48 FG%, 12 rpg, 2.6 bpg in the NBA Finals againts the Celtics front court.

[Nezty]

I forgot what the main subject to this thread even was, Pumping up Kobe, dissing Gasol, or dissing Big Ben.

[Lebron23]

Every time you post, you just strengthen my case.


Be quiet. Gasol was a top 3 PF in the 2008-2011 NBA Season.

[AlphaWolf24]

Kobe basically winning with Rik Smits ...making him look like a HOF!!!

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

I kid...I kid....Pau is a great player and most likely a HOFer

[knicksman]

kobe is not a legend. He only has 1 ring as the man coz hes 2nd ring was gifted by the refs to pjax to retire as the winningest coach.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Be quiet. Gasol was a top 3 PF in the 2008-2011 NBA Season.


Bosh was a top 3 PF in 2012

Wade was a top 3 player in the entire league from 09-12..

[SpecialQue]

Bigger retard: Charles II of Spain or OP? It's a tough call, but I have to say OP takes it. He's certainly one of the dumbest posters to (barely) be able to put a sentence together.

Seriously OP, if a dog took a shit on your keyboard, it would probably produce a much more coherent, better quality post than you could.

[305Baller]

:oldlol:

[Lebron23]

Paul Gasol Resume

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[Lebron23]

Bosh was a top 3 PF in 2012

Wade was a top 3 player in the entire league from 09-12..


Bosh was barely top 5. Love, Nowitzki. Aldridge, Randolph were better than him last season.

Who give a $hit? You need talented teammates in order to win an NBA Championship. Kobe Bryant shot less than 41% from the field in the 2010 NBA Finals, The Lakers still won the NBA Championship.

[Big#50]

Kobe had the best frontline in all of basketball. Best team in the league as well.
Gasol will make the hall of fame. Gasol was a top three big in 08/09/10.
Ban these trolls already.

[Lebron23]

Kobe had the best frontline in all of basketball. Best team in the league as well.
Gasol will make the hall of fame. Gasol was a top three big in 08/09/10.
Ban these trolls already.


This

Gasol was also a top 3 big in 2011 ( ALL NBA 2nd team). He sucks in the playoffs. Just like the Lakers.

[ILLsmak]

What about Shaq in 2000?

Why does it matter what someone went on to become? It's what they were at the time...

Also @ Hakeem: If I were a superstar player, I would rather be paired with perfect roleplayers than another superstar. Think of how nearly every superstar has had an ego conflict with another, or their talents overlapped.

Hakeem played great, but let's not act like he dragged a garbage team. Those guys were doing serious work. They outplayed other great players.

-Smak

[TheMarkMadsen]

Bosh was barely top 5. Love, Nowitzki. Aldridge, Randolph were better than him last season.

Who give a $hit? You need talented teammates in order to win an NBA Championship. Kobe Bryant shot less than 41% from the field in the 2010 NBA Finals, The Lakers still won the NBA Championship.


Yes but not everybody needs a former FMVP/ Top 3 player in the game + an all star big who is a top 5 at worst Pf in the game..

[GreatGreg]

OP is a reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetaaaaaaaaaaaaaaard.

[Simple Jack]

Why didn't Kenneth respond to KBlaze's post about Lamar Odom being that 17/10 guy that Kenneth said Kobe would dominate and win rings with?

[Whoah10115]

Why do you do this to your favorite player?


BTW, LeBron is playing with 2, right? Bosh is a hall-of-famer...over Pau Gasol, right?

[arifgokcen]

Why do you do this to your favorite player?


BTW, LeBron is playing with 2, right? Bosh is a hall-of-famer...over Pau Gasol, right?
Actually lebron is probably playing with 3 HOFers considering how easy to enter HOF these days i am almost sure bosh will be HOF just like gasol

[The Choken One]

Actually lebron is probably playing with 3 HOFers considering how easy to enter HOF these days i am almost sure bosh will be HOF just like gasol
They both will. Gasol because his international influence and Bosh because he's part of the big 3, but neither come to mind when you refer to HOF talent imo. It really is to easy nowadays...

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Bosh, Wade and Ray Allen are HOFers nowdays, pastdays and anydays. Bosh is an 8 time all star. Get real.

[TheBigVeto]

- kobe bryant 2009 and 2010
- Hakeem Olajuwon 1994
- Bill Walton 1977


that is all

http://oi53.tinypic.com/34rtwyh.jpg


http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh600/Rodman2124/kobeclutch.gif


U Mad Kobetards?
Kobetards are phaggits
Kobe isn't a great player, FACT

[Mrofir]

Kobe HOF
Nash HOF
Gasol HOF
Dwight HOF
Jamison perhaps
Metta would have had a chance if he didn't jump into the stands

9th seed

[The Choken One]

Kobe HOF
Nash HOF
Gasol HOF
Dwight HOF
Jamison perhaps
Metta would have had a chance if he didn't jump into the stands

9th seed
Significant injuries + age + Pringles = 9th seed.

A bit more accurate statement.

[Whoah10115]

Actually lebron is probably playing with 3 HOFers considering how easy to enter HOF these days i am almost sure bosh will be HOF just like gasol


I was actually forgetting Ray Allen was on the team.

[Mrofir]

Significant injuries + age + Pringles = 9th seed.

A bit more accurate statement.

agreed, but i thought my post should more or less match the quality of the thread.

[Poetry]

ben wallace is a nobody though. he was never a guy people paid to see. he will be easly forgotten

he was purely just a shot blocking rebounder.. the most popular thing about the guy was his hair

who had a ben wallace jersey in the state of michigan during that piston run... prob not allot of people


You mean the same Ben Wallace who received more all-star votes than Shaq in 2003, not to mention more than Shaq and Yao in 2004? Yeah, nobody knew who he was :hammerhead:

[ripthekik]

:applause:

great post actually. don't know why the haters are hating. it's FACT, and that can't be disputed.

[TheBigVeto]

- kobe bryant 2009 and 2010
- Hakeem Olajuwon 1994
- Bill Walton 1977

pau was the only guy with a serious chance. but he had such a small peak from 2009-2010.... before that he was a nobody.



1. Kobe isn't a legend
2. You should've put "Pau Gasol" 2009 and 2010. I believe it's just a typo because your crazy Kobe love impaired your brain functions.

Plus, before he joined the Fakers, Gasol was the best player in the world in 2006. Fact. If he was a nobody, fakers wouldn't be getting him.