Report: Gary Payton makes HOF (first ballot)

[fpliii]

https://twitter.com/SHowardCooper/status/319838805953757185

[ILLsmak]

GP CAME INTO THE LEAGUE AT AGE 22... he didn't have potential.

-Smak

[eurobum]

:oldlol: reached his ceiling in his rookie year.

[crisoner]

OAKLAND'S FINEST!!!!

Props to GP!!!!

[pegasus]

Well-deserved!:applause: He was a great two-way player in his prime.

[NumberSix]

Obviously. Who the hell wouldn't vote for the glove?

[Glide2keva]

Overrated. But congrats, I guess.

[Lebron23]

It's about damn time!!!!

[Cali Syndicate]

OAKLAND'S FINEST!!!!

Props to GP!!!!

Bill Russell says hello!

However, Gary Payton well deserved. :applause:

[Rubio2Gasol]

Can't wait to hear his speech.

Hell probably diss more people than Jordan did.

[ErhnamDjinn]

he should be added to the courtside show just to stir up sh!t hehehe congrats GP.

[LongLiveTheKing]

Congrats to The Glove, thanks for the game winning shot in 06 Game 3 Finals!

[Lebron23]

Congrats to The Glove, thanks for the game winning shot in 06 Game 3 Finals!


It's nice to see The Glove win a championship.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

It's about damn time!!!!
Why "about damn time"? He got in first Ballot...

[SilkkTheShocker]

Overrated. But congrats, I guess.


Overrated? :oldlol:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Overrated. But congrats, I guess.

Gary Payton is overrated but Rose ain't? **** outta here man. :oldlol:

[klee]

Overrated. But congrats, I guess.

Ha, this guy...

:facepalm

[LBJFTW]

Mr. Lockdown

This is great news. Speech is going to be great.

[k0kakw0rld]

It's about damn time!!!!
:cheers:

[CarlosBoozer]

It's about damn time!!!!
future rep :rockon:

[TheBigVeto]

Overrated? :oldlol:

Indeed he is. Most undeserving HOFer since Dennis Rodman.

[MisterAmazing]

Indeed he is. Most undeserving HOFer since Dennis Rodman.

:biggums: oh please.

Congrats to the Glove, well deserved

[kNicKz]

Indeed he is. Most undeserving HOFer since Dennis Rodman.

Dennis Rodman doesn't belong in the hall of fame? :coleman:

[Xiao Yao You]

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865577519/Report-Gary-Payton-selects-John-Stockton-as-Hall-of-Fame-presenter.html

[plUto or bUst]

Prime Payton today would be a top 5 player and easily the best point guard in the league. He would shred guys like Westbrook, rose, even Chris Paul.

[Alan Ogg]

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865577519/Report-Gary-Payton-selects-John-Stockton-as-Hall-of-Fame-presenter.html

Reminds me of this video where Payton says John Stockton was the toughest basketball player he faced. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-cG7uUBYxo

[Alan Ogg]

Reminds me of this video where Payton says John Stockton was the toughest basketball player he faced. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-cG7uUBYxo

That's respect.

[Xiao Yao You]

Ice Man also on stage with him.

[nightprowler10]

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865577519/Report-Gary-Payton-selects-John-Stockton-as-Hall-of-Fame-presenter.html
That's awesome. Never liked the guy too much but the glove deserves it. I'm surprised he's a first ballot HOFer though, didn't think that would happen.

[FatComputerNerd]

Possibly best 2-way pointguard ever.

[MavsPoke]

No brainer first ballot HOF.

[Smoke117]

He's a first ballot hofer, but he's incredibly overrated offensively and somewhat overrated defensively. He was "the glove" aka a fantastic one on one defensive player, but to me Jason Kidd is the greatest defensive pg because he affected the game more because he was a fantastic TEAM/HELP DEFENDER. He made a bigger impact than Gary Payton and frankly no PG before or since has been such a terror defensively as Jason Kidd was. People overrate one on one defense. Sure it's important, but this isn't a one on one game, but a 5 on 5 game. Being a great one on one defensive player is all good and well ala Bruce Bowen, but you impact your teams overall defense if you are a great team defender like Jason Kidd.

Gary Payton is also extremely overrated offensively. When the Sonics were actually contenders he was at his best...but after Kemp left, Vin Baker was pretty much a bust dealing with his alcoholism, Gary pretty much just became a volume shooter on a team going nowhere but a first round exit. His offensive stats are inflated in the early 00s because he was allowed to do whatever he wanted, but his efficiency was mediocre at best. He just took a lot of shots and therefore he scored a lot of points. He was never meant to be a first option and his post Kemp efficiency shows that.

[GP_20]

Well deserved, have been waiting for this day for a while :applause:


Top 3 PG of All-Time in his prime. I would only take Magic or Big O at PG over Payton. No one else could play it as well. One of the most underrated players of all-time.

[GP_20]

He's a first ballot hofer, but he's incredibly overrated offensively and somewhat overrated defensively. He was "the glove" aka a fantastic one on one defensive player, but to me Jason Kidd is the greatest defensive pg because he affected the game more because he was a fantastic TEAM/HELP DEFENDER. He made a bigger impact than Gary Payton and frankly no PG before or since has been such a terror defensively as Jason Kidd was. People overrate one on one defense. Sure it's important, but this isn't a one on one game, but a 5 on 5 game. Being a great one on one defensive player is all good and well ala Bruce Bowen, but you impact your teams overall defense if you are a great team defender like Jason Kidd.

Gary Payton is also extremely overrated offensively. When the Sonics were actually contenders he was at his best...but after Kemp left, Vin Baker was pretty much a bust dealing with his alcoholism, Gary pretty much just became a volume shooter on a team going nowhere but a first round exit. His offensive stats are inflated in the early 00s because he was allowed to do whatever he wanted, but his efficiency was mediocre at best. He just took a lot of shots and therefore he scored a lot of points. He was never meant to be a first option and his post Kemp efficiency shows that.

:facepalm

[TheBigVeto]

Well deserved, have been waiting for this day for a while :applause:


Top 3 PG of All-Time in his prime. I would only take Magic or Big O at PG over Payton. No one else could play it as well. One of the most underrated players of all-time.

:facepalm

[D.J.]

Payton's shooting percentages decreased only because Kemp left and Baker was a bust. Payton had no choice but to shoot. Prior to age 30, Payton was good for 19-20 PPG on about 50% shooting. His eFG% was around 52-53%, which is very good for a guard. As far as his defensive contributions, I suggest you go watch him guard MJ in the '96 Finals. In 3 full games of guarding Mike, Mike averaged 23.7 PPG on 36.7% shooting(including 5/19 in game 6).

[Myth]

Possibly best 2-way pointguard ever.

Well, Stockton is in that same discussion.

[Smoke117]

Payton's shooting percentages decreased only because Kemp left and Baker was a bust. Payton had no choice but to shoot. Prior to age 30, Payton was good for 19-20 PPG on about 50% shooting. His eFG% was around 52-53%, which is very good for a guard. As far as his defensive contributions, I suggest you go watch him guard MJ in the '96 Finals. In 3 full games of guarding Mike, Mike averaged 23.7 PPG on 36.7% shooting(including 5/19 in game 6).


You don't even know your facts. Payton was on Pippen for about half that series. Pippen who was dealing with an severe ankle sprain, a knee injury, and an right arm sprain. Where do people manufacture this shit that Payton guarded Jordan for the entire series? The series only went six games because Pippen was so beat up and had no movement (being a slasher thats pretty severe), yet he still led the playoffs in drating and defensive win shares. The Sonics switched Payton onto Jordan around game 3 or or 4. Jordan just had an off series and they still beat the Sonics in 6 with Pippen beat the **** up.

[D.J.]

You don't even know your facts. Payton was on Pippen for about half that series. Pippen who was dealing with an severe ankle sprain, a knee injury, and an right arm sprain. Where do people manufacture this shit that Payton guarded Jordan for the entire series? The series only went six games because Pippen was so beat up and had no movement (being a slasher thats pretty severe), yet he still led the playoffs in drating and defensive win shares.


My facts are just fine. I said in 3 COMPLETE games. Payton started guarding Jordan in the second half of game 3. Games 4-6 make up 3 games. George Karl even admitted he made a mistake not letting Payton guard Jordan from the get go. Read the following:


In 3 full games of guarding Mike

[Smoke117]

My facts are just fine. I said in 3 COMPLETE games. Payton started guarding Jordan in the second half of game 3. Games 4-6 make up 3 games. George Karl even admitted he made a mistake not letting Payton guard Jordan from the get go. Read the following:


So I was right, thank you. Good job GP :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: guarding an Scottie Pippen with multiple injuries for the series before you were switched to Jordan. If the Pippen was healthy this series wouldn't have gone past five games, period.

[Xiao Yao You]

He's a first ballot hofer, but he's incredibly overrated offensively and somewhat overrated defensively. He was "the glove" aka a fantastic one on one defensive player, but to me Jason Kidd is the greatest defensive pg because he affected the game more because he was a fantastic TEAM/HELP DEFENDER. He made a bigger impact than Gary Payton and frankly no PG before or since has been such a terror defensively as Jason Kidd was. People overrate one on one defense. Sure it's important, but this isn't a one on one game, but a 5 on 5 game. Being a great one on one defensive player is all good and well ala Bruce Bowen, but you impact your teams overall defense if you are a great team defender like Jason Kidd.

Gary Payton is also extremely overrated offensively. When the Sonics were actually contenders he was at his best...but after Kemp left, Vin Baker was pretty much a bust dealing with his alcoholism, Gary pretty much just became a volume shooter on a team going nowhere but a first round exit. His offensive stats are inflated in the early 00s because he was allowed to do whatever he wanted, but his efficiency was mediocre at best. He just took a lot of shots and therefore he scored a lot of points. He was never meant to be a first option and his post Kemp efficiency shows that.


Certainly not meant to be the efficient first option that Kidd was anyway. :lol

[D.J.]

So I was right, thank you. Good job GP :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: guarding an Scottie Pippen with multiple injuries for the series before you were switched to Jordan. If the Pippen was healthy this series wouldn't have gone past five games, period.


No you were not right. My facts were right, you made a false claim, and I proved you wrong.

[GP_20]

So I was right, thank you. Good job GP :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: guarding an Scottie Pippen with multiple injuries for the series before you were switched to Jordan. If the Pippen was healthy this series wouldn't have gone past five games, period.
This Smoke117 guy is a total retard and just got owned :roll:

[kaiteng]

http://i42.tinypic.com/dli5wl.jpg

[JellyBean]

The Glove!!!! Congrats, GP :applause:



Now the HOF voters have to get their act together and put players like Marques Johnson in the HOF

[Round Mound]

Well Deserved He Is One of the Top 10 PGs of All Time and Deserves To Be a HOF. He is the 2nd Best Defensive PG of All Time after Walt Fraizer and He Was a Solid Scorer and Creator-Passer. Great Player :applause:

[Xiao Yao You]

Here's Earl Watson, unabridged:

"First of all, Gary gives no one any respect, he doesn't care. True story, this is crazy. So we come in here to play Utah, and John Stockton was here. So everybody we play Gary just talked bad about, 'Oh he's not that good, I give him 40 easy, I lock him up.' But coming here to play Utah, he was like

[jcsrplumply]

Well deserved Gary Payton :p.
One of the greatest defenders of all time in my opinion.

[OmniStrife]

Indeed he is. Most undeserving HOFer since Dennis Rodman.

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