NBA.com "Melo's Recent Run Creates 'What Ifs"

[Blue&Orange]

http://www.nba.com/mvp-ladder/?ls=iref:nbahpt6e


What would the Kia Race to the MVP Ladder have been like if Carmelo Anthony had never gotten hurt, of the New York Knicks didn't suffer through injury after injury to key players and didn't slump midway through the season?
Agree 100%. All the starting five was injured at on point or another, sometimes at the same time, on top of that bench got injured as well.

Knicks would probably be a 60 wins team, and if Melo didn't had the knee problem he would have notched a couple more 40 points games, and he isn't on a stacked team that dominate the spurs with the bench.

It would be Player leading his team Vs Player cherry picking thanks to his team.

[avonbarksdale]

at the start of the year i thought he'd have a good shot at mvvp

[asdf1990]

Melo winning MVP would be worse than Drose winning it

[Mr Exlax]

http://www.nba.com/mvp-ladder/?ls=iref:nbahpt6e


Agree 100%. All the starting five was injured at on point or another, sometimes at the same time, on top of that bench got injured as well.

Knicks would probably be a 60 wins team, and if Melo didn't had the knee problem he would have notched a couple more 40 points games, and he isn't on a stacked team that dominate the spurs with the bench.

It would be Player leading his team Vs Player cherry picking thanks to his team.

I'm confused. Melo is leading his team in only PPG right? There's somebody else to do everything on his team. He's not a playmaker. Not defending the best player on the opposite team. Not the defensive anchor. Not the rebounding specialists. Just leading in PPG. What player is cherry picking? Is this player leading his team in PPG, steals, rebounds, blocks, assists and shit like that?

[SilkkTheShocker]

Melo never had a realistic chance of winning MVP.

[STATUTORY]

Melo never had a realistic chance of winning MVP.

really? even derrick rose has won it...

[Haymaker]

really? even derrick rose has won it...

Hell, even Steve Nash has won an MVP.

[ThatsGame]

When Melo scores 30+ on 60% 6 times in a row and leads his team to 27-straight as well as leading in Assists and Rebounds, then we'll talk.

[Haymaker]

When Melo scores 30+ on 60% 6 times in a row and leads his team to 27-straight as well as leading in Assists and Rebounds, then we'll talk.

When Bron has the oldest team in the league and no other legit superstar in his team, then we'll talk.

[KingBeasley08]

When Bron has the oldest team in the league and no other legit superstar in his team, then we'll talk.
When Melo's the best player in the league, then we'll talk :coleman:






In other words, we won't ever talk

[Sarcastic]

Because the MVP is always given to the best player in the league.



Oh wait. No it isn't.

[Sarcastic]

When Melo scores 30+ on 60% 6 times in a row and leads his team to 27-straight as well as leading in Assists and Rebounds, then we'll talk.


Melo is the first player to score 40+ on 60% in 3 games straight games since some guy who once played for the Wizards.

[Blue&Orange]

I'm confused.
Thanks for your honesty.



Melo is the first player to score 40+ on 60% in 3 games straight games since some guy who once played for the Wizards.

can u imagine if it was Lebron that did that, this forum would have been unbearable.

[WilliamsCollege]

Thanks for your honesty.


can u imagine if it was Lebron that did that, this forum would have been unbearable.

LeBron's longer streak of 60% shooting (fewer points, but still...) and the 27-game winning streak along with defense, rebounding, and assists > Melo's cute 3 game streak.

[Kingwillball]

http://www.nba.com/mvp-ladder/?ls=iref:nbahpt6e


Agree 100%. All the starting five was injured at on point or another, sometimes at the same time, on top of that bench got injured as well.

Knicks would probably be a 60 wins team, and if Melo didn't had the knee problem he would have notched a couple more 40 points games, and he isn't on a stacked team that dominate the spurs with the bench.

It would be Player leading his team Vs Player cherry picking thanks to his team.

Yeah a guy who never lead his team anywhere in playoffs compared to a giy who has played in 3 championships and is pretty much a constant deep in playoffs all career long.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Your quest to get Melo's first accolade is so ****ing adorable

[Kingwillball]

Melo might have moved into top 5 of mvp race.

[Bandito]

Why are Lebrontards so insecure.. it was only a what If question...

[inclinerator]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/dam/assets/130326074526-mvp-ladder-lebron-james-135x95.feature-module.jpg

[jimmy77x]

Is it possible to have a melo/knicks thread without heat/ lebron d!ck riders invading.:facepalm

[longtime lurker]

Why are Lebrontards so insecure.. it was only a what If question...

:oldlol: that's what I always ask myself. They all literally act like jealous girlfriends standing up for their "man". It would be cute if it wasn't so creepy.

Anyways back to the question I don't know if anyone else could have won MVP this year, just look at Durant he's not like he's been playing crap but Lebron's streak of 60%+ games(which in my opinion is completely overrated) and the 27 game win streak just put him on another level. His MVP is well deserved :applause:

[willds09]

Melo might have moved into top 5 of mvp race.
Hating.:facepalm

[willds09]

Is it possible to have a melo/knicks thread without heat/ lebron d!ck riders invading.:facepalm
I dont think so cuz they are beyond jealous:facepalm

[willds09]

Melo winning MVP would be worse than Drose winning it
:biggums: :wtf:

[willds09]

Melo is the first player to score 40+ on 60% in 3 games straight games since some guy who once played for the Wizards.
which lebron whish he cud do:lol

[DaSeba5]

I dont think so cuz they are beyond jealous:facepalm

What exactly am I jealous of?

[Blue&Orange]

Yeah a guy who never lead his team anywhere in playoffs compared to a giy who has played in 3 championships and is pretty much a constant deep in playoffs all career long.
Yep it's a shame Melo didn't come to the east sooner and teamed up with two top3 players.

[willds09]

What exactly am I jealous of?
:wtf: of carmello and tha knickerbockers:facepalm

[DaSeba5]

:wtf: of carmello and tha knickerbockers:facepalm

Why exactly?

[asdf1990]

Why exactly?

of their 2 playoff wins in 15 years obviously

[Patrick Chewing]

When Melo scores 30+ on 60% 6 times in a row and leads his team to 27-straight as well as leading in Assists and Rebounds, then we'll talk.


Melo doesn't have Bosh or Wade. Hell, Melo doesn't even have Amar'e.

[longtime lurker]

Melo doesn't have Bosh or Wade. Hell, Melo doesn't even have Amar'e.

I wonder how things would have turned out if the whole New York big 3 was actually put together

[Sarcastic]

Why exactly?


You tell me. Why are Lebron diik riders in every Knick/Melo thread?

[Just2McFly]

http://www.nba.com/mvp-ladder/?ls=iref:nbahpt6e


Agree 100%. All the starting five was injured at on point or another, sometimes at the same time, on top of that bench got injured as well.

Knicks would probably be a 60 wins team, and if Melo didn't had the knee problem he would have notched a couple more 40 points games, and he isn't on a stacked team that dominate the spurs with the bench.

It would be Player leading his team Vs Player cherry picking thanks to his team.

All these what ifs are hilarious. Please, every team has negatives and injuries to overcome. It happens sadly.

[jimmy77x]

All these what ifs are hilarious. Please, every team has negatives and injuries to overcome. It happens sadly.

Yeah every team but the HGH infested Heat have had major injuries.

[Y2Gezee]

I think we all know what I think.

I think they're the best team in the league when fully healthy. But that would require Amare, well basically playing like he did before his 2nd surgery this season. And they were starting to figure it all out before Amare went down and before Kenyon became a factor.

Funny thing is, the injuries just piled on, then everyone was trying to work their way back into shape during the easiest parts of the schedule. December-February was really an easy schedule for them, and they just stayed afloat.

That's why I refuse to say that the Heat have a clearpath to the title, nevermind the finals. The records in the East are all misleading. I think the top maybe 9-10 (and those top 10 aren't exactly what teh standings show now) in the East could truly compete with the top 9-10 in the West all around. If Rose can return, that could change a lot in the playoff picture. The opening playoff weekend marks 6 weeks since Amare's surgery. KG will be back for the Cs. Too bad about what happened with Granger, because who knows how good that team really is.

[BlackVVaves]

I think we all know what I think.

I think they're the best team in the league when fully healthy. But that would require Amare, well basically playing like he did before his 2nd surgery this season. And they were starting to figure it all out before Amare went down and before Kenyon became a factor.

Funny thing is, the injuries just piled on, then everyone was trying to work their way back into shape during the easiest parts of the schedule. December-February was really an easy schedule for them, and they just stayed afloat.

That's why I refuse to say that the Heat have a clearpath to the title, nevermind the finals. The records in the East are all misleading. I think the top maybe 9-10 (and those top 10 aren't exactly what teh standings show now) in the East could truly compete with the top 9-10 in the West all around. If Rose can return, that could change a lot in the playoff picture. The opening playoff weekend marks 6 weeks since Amare's surgery. KG will be back for the Cs. Too bad about what happened with Granger, because who knows how good that team really is.

The Knicks in the beginning of the season was Top 2 in the East. The Knicks at the end of this season are a Top 2 team in the East. The Knicks, despite Amare's proficient play, was a .500 team in between those two stakes in the ground, correlating to Amare's return to the active roster.

So you saying the Knicks are the best team in the league (not even East, but LEAGUE) with a healthy Amare is.....yeah.

They are at their best when they stretch the floor, dribble penetrate and kick out to the man behind the arc, shoot the 3 at a high rate, and get out and defend. All things Amare's presence on the floor negated for them - again, despite his efficiency and solid play individually.

And living in New York, I watch the Knicks, so I know what I see. They play better without Amare, and just have a defensive big replace him (whether Sheed or K-Mart), placing Melo at the 4.

But they should find a way to get more out of Jason Kidd. Putting him at the 2 is borderline moronic really. He and Nash, two great inherent playmakers, have turned into spot of shooters overnight.

Anyway, to the OP. If the Knicks were the best team in the East, Melo would probably have a shot. But after that 27 game win streak, it's pretty obvious that he would have had to have himself the season of his life to beat out Bron for it.

[KG215]

I think we all know what I think.

I think they're the best team in the league when fully healthy. But that would require Amare, well basically playing like he did before his 2nd surgery this season. And they were starting to figure it all out before Amare went down and before Kenyon became a factor.

Funny thing is, the injuries just piled on, then everyone was trying to work their way back into shape during the easiest parts of the schedule. December-February was really an easy schedule for them, and they just stayed afloat.

That's why I refuse to say that the Heat have a clearpath to the title, nevermind the finals. The records in the East are all misleading. I think the top maybe 9-10 (and those top 10 aren't exactly what teh standings show now) in the East could truly compete with the top 9-10 in the West all around. If Rose can return, that could change a lot in the playoff picture. The opening playoff weekend marks 6 weeks since Amare's surgery. KG will be back for the Cs. Too bad about what happened with Granger, because who knows how good that team really is.
Even a fully healthy Knicks team definitely isn't better than the Heat, and probably not the Thunder, a fully healthy Spurs team, the Grizzlies, or a fully healthy Nuggets team.

[BrickingStar]

I think we all know what I think.

I think they're the best team in the league when fully healthy. But that would require Amare, well basically playing like he did before his 2nd surgery this season. And they were starting to figure it all out before Amare went down and before Kenyon became a factor.

Funny thing is, the injuries just piled on, then everyone was trying to work their way back into shape during the easiest parts of the schedule. December-February was really an easy schedule for them, and they just stayed afloat.

That's why I refuse to say that the Heat have a clearpath to the title, nevermind the finals. The records in the East are all misleading. I think the top maybe 9-10 (and those top 10 aren't exactly what teh standings show now) in the East could truly compete with the top 9-10 in the West all around. If Rose can return, that could change a lot in the playoff picture. The opening playoff weekend marks 6 weeks since Amare's surgery. KG will be back for the Cs. Too bad about what happened with Granger, because who knows how good that team really is.
No one except knicks homers actually think they would be the best team in the NBA. Please do better job at removing those homer glasses when making those piece of shit assumptions

[Just2McFly]

Another interesting what if scenario: What if the Hawks didn't lose Louis Williams to an acl tear? Do you see them being a top three seed if he stayed healthy?

[che guevara]

Melo's managed to play 70+ games just once in the last 5 years. It should come as a surprise to nobody that he got hurt and missed a bunch of games again this season.

[Blue&Orange]

The Knicks in the beginning of the season was Top 2 in the East. The Knicks at the end of this season are a Top 2 team in the East. The Knicks, despite Amare's proficient play, was a .500 team in between those two stakes in the ground, correlating to Amare's return to the active roster.

So you saying the Knicks are the best team in the league (not even East, but LEAGUE) with a healthy Amare is.....yeah.

They are at their best when they stretch the floor, dribble penetrate and kick out to the man behind the arc, shoot the 3 at a high rate, and get out and defend. All things Amare's presence on the floor negated for them - again, despite his efficiency and solid play individually.

And living in New York, I watch the Knicks, so I know what I see. They play better without Amare, and just have a defensive big replace him (whether Sheed or K-Mart), placing Melo at the 4.

But they should find a way to get more out of Jason Kidd. Putting him at the 2 is borderline moronic really. He and Nash, two great inherent playmakers, have turned into spot of shooters overnight.

Anyway, to the OP. If the Knicks were the best team in the East, Melo would probably have a shot. But after that 27 game win streak, it's pretty obvious that he would have had to have himself the season of his life to beat out Bron for it.
Right :rolleyes:

Just like last year, Knicks had a cupcake schedule during the Linsanity, and then when Melo returned, harder schedule+injuries and all the sudden Knicks were better without him and he was a cancer.


If it wasn't Amare, Knicks slump would have been worse.

[Y2Gezee]

The Knicks in the beginning of the season was Top 2 in the East. The Knicks at the end of this season are a Top 2 team on the East. The Knicks, despite Amare's proficient play, was a .500 team in between those two stakes in the ground, correlating to Amare's return to the active roster.

So you saying the Knicks are the best team in the league (not even East, but LEAGUE) with a healthy Amare is.....yeah.

That are at their best when the stretch the floor, dribble penetrate and kick out to the man behind the arc, shoot the 3 at a high rate, and get out and defend. All things Amare's presence on the floor negated for them - again, despite his efficiency and solid play individually.

And living in New York, I watch the Knicks, so I know what I see. They play better without Amare, and just have a defensive big replace him (whether Sheed or K-Mart), placing Melo at the 4.

But they should find a way to get more out of Jason Kidd. Putting him at the 2 is borderline moronic really. He and Nash, two great inherent playmakers, have turned into spot of shooters overnight.

Anyway, to the OP. If the Knicks were the best team in the East, Melo would probably have a shot. But after that 27 game win streak, it's pretty obvious that he would have had to have himself the season of his life to beat out Bron for it.

To say that the Knicks inconsistent play during that stretch was Amare's fault is just not true. It began before Amare even returned, because of injuries to Melo and Felton and of course the loss of Rasheed as their backup defensive big. Kidd played too much without Felton and broke down because he's 40. Iman returned and took until March to start really getting into shape (still playing limited minutes). The 3s stopped falling as Kidd, Iman, and then starter James White/Brewer weren't shooting well, but most of all until Shumpert got healthy in March the perimeter D was garbage for about a month and a half...in fact since the day Felton returned.

All Amare did was help their rebounding rate, and provide a 2nd consistent scorer so Melo didn't have to play so much. The problem was the idea was for him to play next to a guy like Sheed or Camby or Tyson off the bench so that he wouldn't be relied on to defend the rim while playing next to Novak as his PF, and that never happened. Now with Kmart as the Tyson type player off the bench and Amare basically giving you another Melo in the post drawing doubles and passing out....you have a crazy bench with JR Smith too.

Truth is it was the starting lineups hurting the Knicks, and Amare often times was helping right the ship and people wanted him starting, but that never happened. They were always playing small and struggling. they were playing better in March, had a 3 game streak where the defense was better going into the Heat game which they nearly won. Had a 22pt comeback without Melo and fueled by Amare, nearly beat the Thunder without Melo because of Amare and JR.

The Knicks have no shot of beating a team like the Heat without a reliable 2nd option like Amare. Especially this guy who is willing to play lesser minutes and fit within the team. With him and Melo and the team shooting well off of great pick and roll play.... I think they have more weapons than teams can defend and they're defending well too.

[Y2Gezee]

I might add, how can people say Amare and Melo don't fit considering Melo can dominate from the perimeter the way that he has proven all year, and Amare was one of the best low post scorers in the league while he was playing, and not to mention one of the 2 best pick and roll players of all time.

[NumberSix]

There's no amount of mental gymnastics to create some twisted criteria where Melo is the MVP. Sorry. Hes not even #2 in any scenario. Even if you take LeBron out of the equation, there's no rationale for Melo being league MVP.

[Mr. Incredible]

4 MVP's in 5 years.

Melo has 0 :lol

[NumberSix]

4 MVP's in 5 years.

Melo has 0 :lol
Should be 5 straight. 2011 MVP was a joke.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Its amazing how delusional the Knicks fanbase is.

[KG215]

I might add, how can people say Amare and Melo don't fit considering Melo can dominate from the perimeter the way that he has proven all year, and Amare was one of the best low post scorers in the league while he was playing, and not to mention one of the 2 best pick and roll players of all time.
Really?

[NumberSix]

Its amazing how delusional the Knicks fanbase is.
They're completely unaware that they're a Milwaukee Bucks level franchise.

[NYK_Stan]

They're completely unaware that they're a Milwaukee Bucks level franchise.

Troll harder.

[NumberSix]

Troll harder.
I'm not trolling. It's true and you know it.

[jimmy77x]

Lebron d!ck riders living in knick/melo threads once again :roll: :roll:

[Y2Gezee]

Really?

Malone or Amare...take your pick.

[Mr. Incredible]

Lebron d!ck riders living in knick/melo threads once again :roll: :roll:
Melo has done nothing in his career that's worthwhile. Is that not true?

Troll harder next time bro. You're lousy at it.

[NumberSix]

Melo is a slightly less inconsistent JR Smith type of player.

[jimmy77x]

Melo has done nothing in his career that's worthwhile. Is that not true?

Troll harder next time bro. You're lousy at it.

Wow a heat bandwagon troll, trolling a knicks/melo thread and has the nerve to call someone else a troll wow.:facepalm

[NumberSix]

Wow a heat bandwagon troll, trolling a knicks/melo thread and has the nerve to call someone else a troll wow.:facepalm
How is he "bandwagon"? It's his fcuking home team..

He lives in south Florida. What's he supposed to be? A rockets fan?

[jimmy77x]

How is he "bandwagon"? It's his fcuking home team..

Yeah his and everybody's else that wont be a heat fan once they suck again.

[Mr Exlax]

I'm confused. Melo is leading his team in only PPG right? There's somebody else to do everything on his team. He's not a playmaker. Not defending the best player on the opposite team. Not the defensive anchor. Not the rebounding specialists. Just leading in PPG. What player is cherry picking? Is this player leading his team in PPG, steals, rebounds, blocks, assists and shit like that?

[willds09]

of their 2 playoff wins in 15 years obviously
Yea but we lead 3-2 in playoff matchups against tha heat tho:rolleyes:

[willds09]

You tell me. Why are Lebron diik riders in every Knick/Melo thread?
Cuz they scared and jealous

[willds09]

Another interesting what if scenario: What if the Hawks didn't lose Louis Williams to an acl tear? Do you see them being a top three seed if he stayed healthy?
:roll:

[willds09]

There's no amount of mental gymnastics to create some twisted criteria where Melo is the MVP. Sorry. Hes not even #2 in any scenario. Even if you take LeBron out of the equation, there's no rationale for Melo being league MVP.
U are in such great denial sir:lol

[willds09]

4 MVP's in 5 years.

Melo has 0 :lol
Lebron should have only one truthfully

[willds09]

Melo is a slightly less inconsistent JR Smith type of player.
its funny how u heat/lebron fans talking shit about melo being inconsistent which had 3 straight games with 40 or more, and j.r swish had 3 straight games scoring 30 points off tha bench, which is tha first since 1990, yall niguhs ridiculous:roll:

[Psycho]

its funny how u heat/lebron fans talking shit about melo being inconsistent which had 3 straight games with 40 or more, and j.r swish had 3 straight games scoring 30 points off tha bench, which is tha first since 1990, yall niguhs ridiculous:roll:

Damn son, can't be taking up the whole page. And 3 games is not consistency, an entire season is.

[Scholar]

Yeah a guy who never lead his team anywhere in playoffs compared to a giy who has played in 3 championships and is pretty much a constant deep in playoffs all career long.

:facepalm

2009 Western Conference Finals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_NBA_Playoffs#Conference_Finals:_.281.29_Los_A ngeles_Lakers_vs._.282.29_Denver_Nuggets)

[Scholar]

You tell me. Why are Lebron diik riders in every Knick/Melo thread?

This. I swear the LeBron/Heat fans are the most insecure trashy fans to follow any NBA team... Ever.

[Droid101]

Melo never missed the playoffs. LeBron did.

Therefore Kyrie Irving is automatically MVP and the Wizards get in the playoffs.

[Patrick Chewing]

4 MVP's in 5 years.

Melo has 0 :lol


No one here is touting that Melo is better than Lebron. So go away with your Lebron love.

[Patrick Chewing]

I'm not trolling. It's true and you know it.


TROLL

[Kingwillball]

:facepalm

2009 Western Conference Finals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_NBA_Playoffs#Conference_Finals:_.281.29_Los_A ngeles_Lakers_vs._.282.29_Denver_Nuggets)

So one year out of 9 gets past 1st round..

[NumberSix]

TROLL
What makes this Knicks franchise any better than the Bucks or the Warriors? Seriously, what?

[DealWithIt]

Melo is a perennial loser.

[Patrick Chewing]

What makes this Knicks franchise any better than the Bucks or the Warriors? Seriously, what?


1. Better record
2. Better players
3. Top 5 Player on team
4. Better record
5. Better players


It's simple, really. Take your troll goggles off and maybe you'll see.

[NumberSix]

1. Better record
2. Better players
3. Top 5 Player on team
4. Better record
5. Better players


It's simple, really. Take your troll goggles off and maybe you'll see.
You misunderstand me sir. I'm not arguing that the Knicks aren't better than the Bucks or the Warriors this season. That's clearly true. The Knicks are obviously better than the Bucks and probably better than the Warriors.

The franchise. What makes the Knicks a better franchise? Their perennial losers. They've won a single playoff game in the last 10 years. They havent even been close to being contenders. What makes them a higher tier franchise than the Bucks or Warriors?

The fact they they are an even larger market team than the Lakers, wouldn't it make them even more of a failure than small market teams with the same lack of success?

[The Choken One]

You misunderstand me sir. I'm not arguing that the Knicks aren't better than the Bucks or the Warriors this season. That's clearly true. The Knicks are obviously better than the Bucks and probably better than the Warriors.

The franchise. What makes the Knicks a better franchise? Their perennial losers. They've won a single playoff game in the last 10 years. They havent even been close to being contenders. What makes them a higher tier franchise than the Bucks or Warriors?

The fact they they are an even larger market team than the Lakers, wouldn't it make them even more of a failure than small market teams with the same lack of success?
Lakers the best, best respect that bish.

[Patrick Chewing]

You misunderstand me sir. I'm not arguing that the Knicks aren't better than the Bucks or the Warriors this season. That's clearly true. The Knicks are obviously better than the Bucks and probably better than the Warriors.

The franchise. What makes the Knicks a better franchise? Their perennial losers. They've won a single playoff game in the last 10 years. They havent even been close to being contenders. What makes them a higher tier franchise than the Bucks or Warriors?

The fact they they are an even larger market team than the Lakers, wouldn't it make them even more of a failure than small market teams with the same lack of success?


The Knicks are perennial losers?? Cause prior to the 2000-2001 season, the Knicks made 14 straight post-season appearances. You can't obviously be dense enough to only be talking about the last 10 years and then mention "franchise" which goes back years and years buddy.

Your argument (which you never really had one) is completely moot, because if you want to talk about perennial losers as of late, then that includes almost every team outside of the Lakers, Spurs, Heat, and Bulls.

[magic14]

Yeah a guy who never lead his team anywhere in playoffs compared to a giy who has played in 3 championships and is pretty much a constant deep in playoffs all career long.

They've won a single playoff game in the last 10 years.

Melo is a perennial loser.

Your quest to get Melo's first accolade is so ****ing adorable

Melo has done nothing in his career that's worthwhile. Is that not true?

Troll harder next time bro. You're lousy at it.
What will the argument be when they win another playoff series?

[SeattleSonics]

The Knicks are perennial losers?? Cause prior to the 2000-2001 season, the Knicks made 14 straight post-season appearances. You can't obviously be dense enough to only be talking about the last 10 years and then mention "franchise" which goes back years and years buddy.

Your argument (which you never really had one) is completely moot, because if you want to talk about perennial losers as of late, then that includes almost every team outside of the Lakers, Spurs, Heat, and Bulls.

He wouldn't know what a perennial loser is. He switches bandwagons whenever a new team looks to have a chip on lock. Laker and Heat fan :roll:

[nycelt84]

Warriors have more titles than the Knicks and better players through their franchise history. All-time Warriors>Knicks.

[Blue&Orange]

You misunderstand me sir. I'm not arguing that the Knicks aren't better than the Bucks or the Warriors this season. That's clearly true. The Knicks are obviously better than the Bucks and probably better than the Warriors.

The franchise. What makes the Knicks a better franchise? Their perennial losers. They've won a single playoff game in the last 10 years. They havent even been close to being contenders. What makes them a higher tier franchise than the Bucks or Warriors?

The fact they they are an even larger market team than the Lakers, wouldn't it make them even more of a failure than small market teams with the same lack of success?
Heat could win 10 in a row and the Knicks would still be 10x the better franchise.

[Bandito]

The Knicks are perennial losers?? Cause prior to the 2000-2001 season, the Knicks made 14 straight post-season appearances. You can't obviously be dense enough to only be talking about the last 10 years and then mention "franchise" which goes back years and years buddy.

Your argument (which you never really had one) is completely moot, because if you want to talk about perennial losers as of late, then that includes almost every team outside of the Lakers, Spurs, Heat, and Bulls.
He probably started watching since 2004...

[longtime lurker]

The Knicks are perennial losers?? Cause prior to the 2000-2001 season, the Knicks made 14 straight post-season appearances. You can't obviously be dense enough to only be talking about the last 10 years and then mention "franchise" which goes back years and years buddy.

Your argument (which you never really had one) is completely moot, because if you want to talk about perennial losers as of late, then that includes almost every team outside of the Lakers, Spurs, Heat, and Bulls.

You seriously under estimate the stupidity of numbersix. He's a Heat fan his idea of franchise "history" extends back to 3 years