Jeremy Lin talks about how race led colleges, NBA to snub him on 60 Minutes

[Basketball Fan]

Full interview airs tomorrow that being said I think he's stating the obvious.

[quote]Houston Rockets guard Jeremy Lin says his ethnicity led colleges, NBA to snub him
Lin was a high school star but did not land a major college scholarship, and he was not drafted by an NBA club


Jeremy Lin during his college days. In an interview for

[kNicKz]

dude acts like there have never been asian players in the league before :biggums:

[KyrieTheFuture]

At this point he's just milking being Asian. Also I'm not gonna feel bad for the millionaire Harvard graduate

[TexasBloodMoney]

Does he mention that the reason he got a big contract was because of his ethnicity? :rolleyes:

[longtime lurker]

People still care about Jeremy Lin? And I'm not going to assume anything about race, but how were his numbers in high school? And Harvard isn't exactly a basketball power house.

[nathanjizzle]

i can confirm this. when i was hoopin i was always picked last or had next. :facepalm to bad i was always oen of the best players on the court.

[retaxis]

i can confirm this. when i was hoopin i was always picked last or had next. :facepalm to bad i was always oen of the best players on the court.
might have had something to do with ur attitude

[DuMa]

will watch, dvr, download, burn and save for future use.

[andremiller07]

Do these stories about race not get boring? I mean seriously everyday someone talks about being looked over or something due to race its just gets to the point where you just don't beleive it anymore.

You don't see Hamed Haddadi talking about him getting looked over cause hes from Iran....I mean seriously people need to stop with this shit its old, boring and no one cares.

The only reason this average at best player is even on 60mins is cause of race........

[CeltsGarlic]

gtfo, jeremy, no one gives.

[Shepseskaf]

You got $25 million for being Asian, Jeremy.

Now just STFU and try to be a decent player. Nobody wants to hear about your "troubles".

[DaSeba5]

It was a nice story last year, but now he's milking this. I don't care about Lin anymore. I'm happy for him, but that's it. I don't care if he's a martian from Mars. Who cares if you are Asian?

Like somebody said, I have a hard time feeling sorry for a millionaire Harvard graduate who plays something he loves for a living.

[RoseCity07]

There are some really good Asian players that play pick up ball. I never think because someone is Asian they suck. Lin got minutes because he showed he could play. Not because he is Asian. NBA coaches play you when you show in practice that you belong. When you prove it in an actual game you got more minutes.

[DJ Leon Smith]

It was a nice story last year, but now he's milking this. I don't care about Lin anymore. I'm happy for him, but that's it. I don't care if he's a martian from Mars. Who cares if you are Asian?

Like somebody said, I have a hard time feeling sorry for a millionaire Harvard graduate who plays something he loves for a living.

How is he milking it. 60 Minutes approached him.

Heat fans + insidehoops = moron nirvana.

[no pun intended]

dude acts like there have never been asian players in the league before :biggums:
Every other Asian already had experience in professional basketball (e.g. CBA). Lin had to come straight from ground zero. So yes, he's acting like there never have been Asian players in the league before who came directly from college, let alone, an American one.

[PotOdds]

60 minute piece was done LAST YEAR, originally supposed to air in Nov/Dec.

Seriously doubt 60 minute would do a similar segment today since its no longer topical. But JLin doing quite well with Houston. It's actually a blessing he's running n gunning with D'antoni-like new gun Rockets instead of slow and old Knicks.



It was a nice story last year, but now he's milking this. I don't care about Lin anymore. I'm happy for him, but that's it. I don't care if he's a martian from Mars. Who cares if you are Asian?

Like somebody said, I have a hard time feeling sorry for a millionaire Harvard graduate who plays something he loves for a living.

[Mr. NBA]

Im Asian and this stuff is annoying. He is clearly using the race card to benefit him and make it more than it is. Asian Americans can ball too, its just many of us arent made to become more than gang bangers and blue collar workers. If he think he has it bad because he is Asian, he should look at the majority of the race that isnt nearly as successful as he is.

[KungFuJoe]

Im Asian and this stuff is annoying. He is clearly using the race card to benefit him and make it more than it is. Asian Americans can ball too, its just many of us arent made to become more than gang bangers and blue collar workers. If he think he has it bad because he is Asian, he should look at the majority of the race that isnt nearly as successful as he is.

Gang bangers and blue collar workers?

Aren't you guys all supposed to be smart math nerds who end up in finance or something?

[Djahjaga]

LOL at this thread. Are you guys serious?

OF COURSE he was underrated because of his race. How often do you hear of a 6'4'' Asian guard and honestly think, "Oh, he'd be a stunning addition to my team!"

Even after Linsanity, you had the media claiming he wasn't athletic or he wasn't fast or all that sh*t, throwing around adjectives implying he was crafy or smarter than the other players (Harvard education, notwithstanding).

And he's not complaining. They asked him a direct question and he answered it. You're not supposed to feel sorry for him. The way some of you reacted, it sounds like you want us to feel sorry for you.

:confusedshrug:

[The Choken One]

What a load of bunk. He's just crying for attention at this point.

[Raymone]

You don't see LeBron crying about being held back by his race.

[Myth]

He got snubbed because of race and he got paid because of race. I do believe it made it harder to make it, but once he did, he became a novelty thus he got paid more. In the end, it really worked out for him, but I think the bigger picture is that there are likely other asians (and Hispanics and people from the Middle East) in the U.S. that get overlooked in basketball simply because of their race. In the end, I worry less about race discrimination in basketball than I do in other fields of life, including average jobs of Americans.

[Myth]

You don't see LeBron crying about being held back by his race.

That is because black people are widely accepted in basketball. Take away his athletic prowess and his race may have become a bigger issue in life.

[Blue&Orange]

Will he talk about how he snubbed the team that gave him a chance?

[Myth]

Will he talk about how he snubbed the team that gave him a chance?

Wasn't he a restricted free agent? They could have matched. Besides, he was being pushed out by Melo anyway and the coach that gave him a chance is no longer there.

[9512]

Will he talk about how he snubbed the team that gave him a chance?

Didn't the Knicks tell him to go out and test the market?

Teams weren't exactly knocking his door for him to join them.

Only the Rockets offered a contract and since he wanted to play in the NBA, he had to take it.

The fact that the Knicks FO told Lin to test out the market is a give away that they didn't want him back.

Carmelo and JR obviously made their feelings known about Lin and his "ridiculous" contract.

Knicks gave Lin a chance only because they needed bodies to fill their rosters short handed due to injuries. Lucky for Lin, Baron got hurt, Bibby, shumpert,and toney played like crap...if it wasn't for those circumstances, Lin would've been out ta the league.

[shoops]

LOL at this thread. Are you guys serious?

OF COURSE he was underrated because of his race. How often do you hear of a 6'4'' Asian guard and honestly think, "Oh, he'd be a stunning addition to my team!"

Even after Linsanity, you had the media claiming he wasn't athletic or he wasn't fast or all that sh*t, throwing around adjectives implying he was crafy or smarter than the other players (Harvard education, notwithstanding).

And he's not complaining. They asked him a direct question and he answered it. You're not supposed to feel sorry for him. The way some of you reacted, it sounds like you want us to feel sorry for you.

:confusedshrug:
This. Also, saw this in the Houston newspaper earlier but Lin had a pretty good point, he said something about people always calling him "deceptively" quick, etc when it's obvious that he's just fast and there's nothing deceptive about that lol.

Anyways yeah, he just answered some questions but folks are acting like he goes to the media bitching about that kind of stuff. :hammerhead:

Will he talk about how he snubbed the team that gave him a chance?
Sure they "gave him a chance" and he benefited from it hugely...but they also did too, they were down to what, Mike Bibby? Lol...

[BlueCrayon]

60 minute piece was done LAST YEAR, originally supposed to air in Nov/Dec.

Seriously doubt 60 minute would do a similar segment today since its no longer topical. But JLin doing quite well with Houston. It's actually a blessing he's running n gunning with D'antoni-like new gun Rockets instead of slow and old Knicks.

Thread should have ended right here.

[esiotrot]

Really guys? Really?

Interviewer specifically asked him about not being offered any scholarships out of high school, and he said it's partly because he's Asian. Which is true; what California Player of the Year has not been offered a single Div1 scholarship?

He said nothing about the NBA. You can really tell you read the thread title and spew garbage and the people who actually fkin' read the article.

[niko]

He always mentions race. You could ask him if he liked his hamburger and he'd say he did but he remembers that time the burger joint didn't give him his hamburger quickly because he's chinese. I'm glad he moved on, it worked out for him, and the fact is he worries too much about pressure and too much about race and how it affected him. He doesn't strike me as a guy who is good to have in a pressure situation.

[esiotrot]

He always mentions race. You could ask him if he liked his hamburger and he'd say he did but he remembers that time the burger joint didn't give him his hamburger quickly because he's chinese. I'm glad he moved on, it worked out for him, and the fact is he worries too much about pressure and too much about race and how it affected him. He doesn't strike me as a guy who is good to have in a pressure situation.

The only time he mentions race is on this topic. Is he wrong? Read the article and get back to me.

[niko]

The only time he mentions race is on this topic. Is he wrong? Read the article and get back to me.
I mentioned this prior when he left NY how every time he spoke to someone he mentioned race affected him, and that he didn't like pressure. this isn't the first time. It's constant. Why not just say he's past that? NOPE. Has to give chapter and verse.

every time he talks he mentions it and everyone says "he was asked". Well then he needs to learn to deflect the question because this long after the fact it comes across as whining.

[esiotrot]

I mentioned this prior when he left NY how every time he spoke to someone he mentioned race affected him, and that he didn't like pressure. this isn't the first time. It's constant. Why not just say he's past that? NOPE. Has to give chapter and verse.

every time he talks he mentions it and everyone says "he was asked". Well then he needs to learn to deflect the question because this long after the fact it comes across as whining.

But you act like he brings his ethnicity out of the blue. Like, "Yeah, next season's going to be tough. Hope we can make a push for the playoffs. By the way, I'm Asian." No, he's being asked specifically about his race and how it's affecting him. And when he mentions it, he explicitly says things like, ""If I can be honest, yes. It's not even close to the only reason, but it was definitely part of the reason."

I'm not sure where you're getting this "didn't like pressure" stuff, too. I recall him saying that about Golden State, but never about New York. He always said he liked the fans in NY.

It's mind-blowing how its not okay for him to make comments about being Asian, but its totally okay for JR Smith to make multiple comments criticizing Lin.

[BlueCrayon]

I mentioned this prior when he left NY how every time he spoke to someone he mentioned race affected him, and that he didn't like pressure. this isn't the first time. It's constant. Why not just say he's past that? NOPE. Has to give chapter and verse.

every time he talks he mentions it and everyone says "he was asked". Well then he needs to learn to deflect the question because this long after the fact it comes across as whining.

How so?

[willds09]

Lin better shut his ass up and be grateful he made tha playoffs as tha 2nd best player on tha team:rant

[Turkododo]

college recruits were probably like does this scrawny Asian kid have the passion and drive to excel at the game, or is he just playing us so that he can get a full scholarship to come to our school, drop out of the program to focus on his grades, and then end up as an investment banker? it's that thinking and that is why Lin wasn't offered a Division I Basketball Scholarship.

[esiotrot]

college recruits were probably like does this scrawny Asian kid have the passion and drive to excel at the game, or is he just playing us so that he can get a full scholarship to come to our school, drop out of the program to focus on his grades, and then end up as an investment banker? it's that thinking and that is why Lin wasn't offered a Division I Basketball Scholarship.

:biggums:

Yeah, Jeremy Lin got an academic scholarship to Harvard, but would rather have gone to UCLA or some sht for his education. :coleman:

[Lebron23]

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[andremiller07]

Lin better shut his ass up and be grateful he made tha playoffs as tha 2nd best player on tha team:rant

Chanlder Parsons?

[willds09]

Chanlder Parsons?
Yea right :oldlol:

[esiotrot]

Chanlder Parsons?

He's the fourth best player on the team overall.

He's the third option on offense, but for some reason when Harden goes out he becomes the first option. :lol :lol :lol

Playing a lot better lately though :applause:

[dbk123]

He always mentions race. You could ask him if he liked his hamburger and he'd say he did but he remembers that time the burger joint didn't give him his hamburger quickly because he's chinese. I'm glad he moved on, it worked out for him, and the fact is he worries too much about pressure and too much about race and how it affected him. He doesn't strike me as a guy who is good to have in a pressure situation.
not sure if srs.... Hes korean.:facepalm

[esiotrot]

not sure if srs.... Hes korean.:facepalm

Bro you serious?

He's one of them Japs.

[Dodonpa9]

dafuq.. he's vietnamese.. Lin is a common viet lastname

[andremiller07]

He's the fourth best player on the team overall.
Parsons is easily the 2nd best player on that team, he actually plays in just about every 4th quarter unlike Lin and does more overall for the team.

[esiotrot]

Parsons is easily the 2nd best player on that team, he actually plays in just about every 4th quarter unlike Lin and does more overall for the team.

Fk.

I meant Jeremy Lin is the 4th best player. :cheers:

But Lin is the first option on offense when Harden's out. :lol

[Xsatyr]

Yea right :oldlol:

You don't watch Rockets basketball.

[willds09]

You don't watch Rockets basketball.
He not better than lin tho :no:

[Grey Dawn]

Does he mention that the reason he got a big contract was because of his ethnicity? :rolleyes:

This!!!

What a ****ing moron Lin is.

[Scholar]

Am I the only one who noticed it says "32 National Basketball Associaton teams" in the article?

[esiotrot]

This!!!

What a ****ing moron Lin is.

You act like he's one of the top paid players in the league. He's sandwiched between Jeff Green and Omer Asik. Maybe, just maybe, he also got paid because he played amazing last year.

I don't see you complaining about Jerome James and Mikki Moore's contracts.

[deja vu]

Lin is right. Racism still exists in American sports and sports media. :confusedshrug:

[deja vu]

http://hoopedia.nba.com/images/e/ed/WatMisakaUtah1944.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MPLWOVLG38o/S4NGf-Y-8AI/AAAAAAAAAw4/40TQO7saVE0/s400/raymond_townsend-1.jpg
Who the f*ck are these bums? :roll:

[HoopDreams247]

This 60 Minutes episode was filmed a long time ago I'm pretty sure.

Anyway, it's true.

[STATUTORY]

Lin is right. Racism still exists in American sports and sports media. :confusedshrug:
shhhhh no one wants to hear that shit. have a coke and a smile this is the greatest country in the world :cheers:

[Turkododo]

i'm going to be serious for a minute or two. so let's be real. ESPN via Stephen A Smith and Skip Bayless and media is trying to pit blacks against Asians, by questioning whether Jeremy Lin's skills at basketball were worth all the hype. yes, there are dozens of black players who are as talented as Lin, and many who have better stats. but that's just it: there are dozens of them. and there's only one Lin. given the breakthrough that Lin has made for Asian American males (and future Asian basketball players), and given that this breakthrough is considered a generally "good" thing in terms of race, is there a way we can actually disentangle the race issue and treat Lin fairly? can we stop pitting blacks against Asians?

[D.J.]

I love how people believe Lin is this hero for Asians. Lin got where he is now because he can obviously ball, but the one Asian people look up to is Yao Ming, not Jeremy Lin.

[esiotrot]

I love how people believe Lin is this hero for Asians. Lin got where he is now because he can obviously ball, but the one Asian people look up to is Yao Ming, not Jeremy Lin.

Yeah, in mainland China maybe.

Asian americans love Lin.

[DMV2]

Niko - this is like the third or fourth time he's mentioned anything race related, more to do with the news outlet/media asking him about it.

Anyway, it was actually good that he went undrafted otherwise the Linsanity event last year wouldn't have been as great if he was a top lottery pick.

[blood yes]

I love how you guys are saying Lin sucks, and isnt even the 2nd best player on his team, etc. etc...

Maybe a month ago, i would agree, but look at his recent stats over the past month.

The dude has had a lot of 18/10 games, and is playing great. His 3 ball is sharp af too

[esiotrot]

I love how you guys are saying Lin sucks, and isnt even the 2nd best player on his team, etc. etc...

Maybe a month ago, i would agree, but look at his recent stats over the past month.

The dude has had a lot of 18/10 games, and is playing great. His 3 ball is sharp af too

No. I'm sorry. He's simply not there yet. Maybe next season.

[millwad]

Buhu, Jeremy, you got a huge contract due being asian and because you have alot of asian fans..

[blood yes]

No. I'm sorry. He's simply not there yet. Maybe next season.
:wtf: :biggums: :facepalm

16 points at the HALF against denver, along with 6 assists

22/8/4 yesterday

15/10 the game b4

19/11 in the game before that

Youhave no idea. I admit, Lin sucked ass at the start of the season, but he's been playing REALLY well as of late (hope i dont jinx)

[esiotrot]

Buhu, Jeremy, you got a huge contract due being asian and because you have alot of asian fans..

Partly because he was Asian, partly because of his run with the Knicks.

Teams have given big contracts for less before.

[blood yes]

Buhu, Jeremy, you got a huge contract due being asian and because you have alot of asian fans..
You hate on Lin, i cant tell if ur a real rockets fan, cause if u were, u would know lin is playing great basketball atm.

Also, ever heard of Jon Koncak?

[talkingconch]

Full interview airs tomorrow that being said I think he's stating the obvious.




Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/lin-ethnicity-hoops-barrier-article-1.1308956#ixzz2PhkEQaji
the first 3-4 paragraphs of this ''article'' is repeating the same thing 3-4x lmfao..

[esiotrot]

:wtf: :biggums: :facepalm

16 points at the HALF against denver, along with 6 assists

22/8/4 yesterday

15/10 the game b4

19/11 in the game before that

Youhave no idea. I admit, Lin sucked ass at the start of the season, but he's been playing REALLY well as of late (hope i dont jinx)

Lin's my favorite player, but he's been wildly inconsistent this year. In January he also had a hot streak, but came back to earth. You can't base how good players are on a few games.

He's improved a lot throughout the season, but he's just not better than Chandler or Omer right now. If he works on his left hand and turnovers, then maybe next year he will.

[D.J.]

Yeah, in mainland China maybe.

Asian americans love Lin.


Yao Ming in 2002 > Jeremy Lin in 2012.

[DaSeba5]

60 minute piece was done LAST YEAR, originally supposed to air in Nov/Dec.

Seriously doubt 60 minute would do a similar segment today since its no longer topical. But JLin doing quite well with Houston. It's actually a blessing he's running n gunning with D'antoni-like new gun Rockets instead of slow and old Knicks.

If that's the case, then ok he's not milking it.

However, again I don't care about Lin anymore. I'm happy for him, but that's about it.

[Lebron23]

Who the f*ck are these bums? :roll:


The first 2 Asian players in the NBA. Wataru Misaka, and Raymond Townsend.

[deja vu]

The first 2 Asian players in the NBA. Wataru Misaka, and Raymond Townsend.
Nah..they're Americans with Asian heritage. The first Asian player in the NBA was Wang Zhizhi.

[D.J.]

The first Asian player in the NBA was Wang Zhizhi.


http://www.nba.com/playerfile/wang_zhizhi/bio.html



Enjoys listening to pop music and lists Britney Spears, Backstreet Boys and *NSYNC among his favorite artists


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[JtotheIzzo]

Colleges snubbing Asians? Now I have heard it all.:oldlol:

He was snubbed because he was the first.

Steve Nash was offered no scholarships, and he was unbelievable in HS his coach sent videos everywhere and no one bit until finally Santa Clara took him on.

Why?

Because no white Canadian guard had done it before him.

Is the NCAA or NBA bigoted against Canadians or white people?

No.

It is simply a situation where being the first is difficult.

Lin needs to STFU about this because he knows better and is just rabble rousing.
He should embrace the role of being a trail blazer, you don't hear Nash whinging about all the doors slammed in his face when it came time to find a college.

This is weaksauce.

[insidehoops]

Jeremy Lin isn't "doing this."

CBS invited him on and asked questions. So he's answering them.

He's not bringing it up out of nowhere. He was interviewed. So he discussed it

[doublethetrouble]

Its not a freaking stereotype... Its scientifically proven that black people have more twitch muscles in their legs than White/Orientals.

Obviously there are outliers but from a mathematical stand point the average black guy is gonna run a lot faster and jump a lot higher than the average Asian.

Fact of life.

I am Asian and I can admit this.

[HoopDreams247]

Colleges snubbing Asians? Now I have heard it all.:oldlol:


Affirmative Action puts the average Asian male at a great disadvantage when it comes to admissions at top schools.

[BrooklynZoo]

Colleges snubbing Asians? Now I have heard it all.:oldlol:

He was snubbed because he was the first.

Steve Nash was offered no scholarships, and he was unbelievable in HS his coach sent videos everywhere and no one bit until finally Santa Clara took him on.

Why?

Because no white Canadian guard had done it before him.

Is the NCAA or NBA bigoted against Canadians or white people?

No.

It is simply a situation where being the first is difficult.

Lin needs to STFU about this because he knows better and is just rabble rousing.
He should embrace the role of being a trail blazer, you don't hear Nash whinging about all the doors slammed in his face when it came time to find a college.

This is weaksauce.

so your logic as to why he wasnt snubbed is because steve nash was snubbed too?

[esiotrot]

Colleges snubbing Asians? Now I have heard it all.:oldlol:

He was snubbed because he was the first.

Steve Nash was offered no scholarships, and he was unbelievable in HS his coach sent videos everywhere and no one bit until finally Santa Clara took him on.

Why?

Because no white Canadian guard had done it before him.

Is the NCAA or NBA bigoted against Canadians or white people?

No.

It is simply a situation where being the first is difficult.

Lin needs to STFU about this because he knows better and is just rabble rousing.
He should embrace the role of being a trail blazer, you don't hear Nash whinging about all the doors slammed in his face when it came time to find a college.

This is weaksauce.

Affirmative action, bro. Research it.

[Sharmer]

Too many excuses.

[esiotrot]

Too many excuses.

Are you saying he wasn't good enough to play in Div1?

[Shepseskaf]

This proves one thing for me. The rumors out of NY that he was an attention-loving diva were correct. Good riddance.

Over on the espn boards, he's getting absolutely hammered -- and should be.

[esiotrot]

This proves one thing for me. The rumors out of NY that he was an attention-loving diva were correct. Good riddance.

Over on the espn boards, he's getting absolutely hammered -- and should be.

You realize this was taped a loooong time ago, right? And I don't think anyone 'attention-loving' chooses Houston over New York.

[Shepseskaf]

You realize this was taped a loooong time ago, right? And I don't think anyone 'attention-loving' chooses Houston over New York.
No matter when it was taped, it shouldn't have been done. His ethnicity, and his ethnicity alone, got him $25 million he didn't deserve.

He needs to stop complaining about something that has given him a big advantage. People are sick of it. If he keeps this up, the boo birds are going to start showing up in opposing stadiums.

[esiotrot]

No matter when it was taped, it shouldn't have been done. His ethnicity, and his ethnicity alone, got him $25 million he didn't deserve.

He needs to stop complaining about something that has given him a big advantage. People are sick of it. If he keeps this up, the boo birds are going to start showing up in opposing stadiums.

He's said something about race in about 2 major interviews since he got famous: GQ and 60 minutes.

Yeah, he didn't deserve to be paid 25 million, but it sure as hell wasn't being Asian that got him all of it. You act like he's in the league because he's a novelty act and if he wasn't Asian, he'd be about of the league. The fact is, he played great in about 20-30 games last year. Players have gotten longer contracts for more money before for 5-10 game stretches in the playoffs (see: Trevor Ariza).

Yes, super-crazed Lin fans are annoying, but so are those who are on the opposite end of the spectrum.

[shoops]

This proves one thing for me. The rumors out of NY that he was an attention-loving diva were correct. Good riddance.

Over on the espn boards, he's getting absolutely hammered -- and should be.

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

[Shepseskaf]

Yeah, he didn't deserve to be paid 25 million, but it sure as hell wasn't being Asian that got him all of it. You act like he's in the league because he's a novelty act and if he wasn't Asian, he'd be about of the league. The fact is, he played great in about 20-30 games last year. Players have gotten longer contracts for more money before for 5-10 game stretches in the playoffs (see: Trevor Ariza).

Yes, super-crazed Lin fans are annoying, but so are those who are on the opposite end of the spectrum.
First of all, he did NOT play "great" for 20 - 30 games. Go take a look at last year's game logs. After the initial 6 consecutive games that shocked everyone in early to mid-February 2012, his performances were very inconsistent.

He wasn't "great" many more times after Miami exposed him.

Maybe being Asian wasn't the only factor in Houston offering him that contract, but it was certainly the major one.

[esiotrot]

First of all, he did NOT play "great" for 20 - 30 games. Go take a look at last year's game logs. After the initial 6 consecutive games that shocked everyone in early to mid-February 2012, his performances were very inconsistent.

He wasn't "great" many more times after Miami exposed him.

Maybe being Asian wasn't the only factor in Houston offering him that contract, but it was certainly the major one.

He averaged 14.9 points and 6.8 assists after the Miami game. Yeah, it was inconsistent, but isn't that to be expected of a player who had started his first game just 2 months prior? Now I don't have illusions of grandeur where I see him averaging 20/10, but those stats aren't bad, per say, for basically a rookie.

Yes, he's overpaid, but there have been a lot worse contracts over the years. It seems the only one who gets criticized is him. Usually, fans criticize the FO. Again, I refuse to believe that Houston offered him 3yrs/25mil on the basis of his being Asian. Trevor Ariza got 5/34 on the basis of the 2009 playoffs, which saw him average 11 points and 6 rebounds in the Finals and 11.3/4.2 over the whole playoffs.

[niko]

He's said something about race in about 2 major interviews since he got famous: GQ and 60 minutes.

Yeah, he didn't deserve to be paid 25 million, but it sure as hell wasn't being Asian that got him all of it. You act like he's in the league because he's a novelty act and if he wasn't Asian, he'd be about of the league. The fact is, he played great in about 20-30 games last year. Players have gotten longer contracts for more money before for 5-10 game stretches in the playoffs (see: Trevor Ariza).

Yes, super-crazed Lin fans are annoying, but so are those who are on the opposite end of the spectrum.

That's absolutely false. He said it when he started out last year in NY. He said it after he signed in Houston. This year before all star break he had a media tour where he talked about it. He's also talked about it now. And each time it was in multiple places. Saying he spoke about it twice total is patently false.

Go search his interviews, he says two things almost every time, something about being asian being difficult and something about how he likes that the pressure is gone. It's consistent.

[esiotrot]

That's absolutely false. He said it when he started out last year in NY. He said it after he signed in Houston. This year before all star break he had a media tour where he talked about it. He's also talked about it now. And each time it was in multiple places. Saying he spoke about it twice total is patently false.

Go search his interviews, he says two things almost every time, something about being asian being difficult and something about how he likes that the pressure is gone. It's consistent.

He started off in New York before he was really, really famous.

Signing with Houston, this is what he said


"I have a strong desire in my heart to be able to break certain stereotypes about Asians and Asian-Americans, especially in sports," he said. "I just think as time goes on, I think we'll start to see more Asian-Americans in sports. Hopefully, we will be able to continue to earn more and more respect when it comes to sports."

I also can't find what he said during or before the all star break (February 2013) other than him saying he didn't deserve to be an all-star.

[niko]

He started off in New York before he was really, really famous.

Signing with Houston, this is what he said



I also can't find what he said during or before the all star break (February 2013) other than him saying he didn't deserve to be an all-star.

You're wrong, a few months ago i posted a topic saying "i can't believe he's still talking about this shit again" when he did his media tour a few months back. Yes, he did a media tour mid season, it consisted of way more than two places, and he talked about the things i said. Finding quotes that don't mention it and pretending it's the only thing he says is ridiculous. He talks often, and he's mentioned this topic often.

I'm glad Lin is happy but i'm also glad he's out of NY because he's said things about the attention in NY freaking him out which struck me as ridiculous (22,000 people chanted his name and he found this bothersome). And he needs to stop mentioning it because a lot of people in this country, racism is getting arrested for their color, not being able to find a job, etc. Not speedbumps on the way to an $8M salary. It comes across as stupid and self absorbed.

[esiotrot]

You're wrong, a few months ago i posted a topic saying "i can't believe he's still talking about this shit again" when he did his media tour a few months back. Yes, he did a media tour mid season, it consisted of way more than two places, and he talked about the things i said. Finding quotes that don't mention it and pretending it's the only thing he says is ridiculous. He talks often, and he's mentioned this topic often.

I'm glad Lin is happy but i'm also glad he's out of NY because he's said things about the attention in NY freaking him out which struck me as ridiculous (22,000 people chanted his name and he found this bothersome). And he needs to stop mentioning it because a lot of people in this country, racism is getting arrested for their color, not being able to find a job, etc. Not speedbumps on the way to an $8M salary. It comes across as stupid and self absorbed.

Okay, but with the hubbub over his comments yesterday and today, I would expect it to be a big deal if he mentioned it in his other interviews, too. And when I google it, I simply can't find such comments. I'm not denying he said it, but if you could give me some links, that'd be great.

[niko]

Okay, but with the hubbub over his comments yesterday and today, I would expect it to be a big deal if he mentioned it in his other interviews, too. And when I google it, I simply can't find such comments. I'm not denying he said it, but if you could give me some links, that'd be great.
We've had several threads about it, search for the threads. Unless we are all high he mentioned it quite a few times. I also posted when he said Linsanity was annoying and he's glad to have less pressure now. I'm sure you (and the world) remember that, and it was glorious. The fact he saw it as annoying and enjoys being in less pressure, less energy now irks me, he can't appreciate how special that few weeks was. :facepalm

[esiotrot]

We've had several threads about it, search for the threads. Unless we are all high he mentioned it quite a few times. I also posted when he said Linsanity was annoying and he's glad to have less pressure now. I'm sure you (and the world) remember that, and it was glorious. The fact he saw it as annoying and enjoys being in less pressure, less energy now irks me, he can't appreciate how special that few weeks was. :facepalm

Yeah, I've found comments from November 2012 where he, I admit, complained. That also pissed me off. I'm not sure if that's what you're talking about. Can't find your "i can't believe" thread though.

Are these the facing pressure comments you're talking about?


"I get scared of a lot of attention," Lin says. "I get scared of the spotlight. And I'm not talking about on the basketball court. So I was just in shock when everything happened. I was startled about it all. I just thought, 'Oh man, I wish some of this stuff could slow down.'
"Over time, I became more and more used to do it. I became more savvy about it, able to get a better perspective about it. I was able to open up more.


"I just turned 24 and I'm pretty much the average age here," Lin says. "There I would be the second- or third-youngest. And I would be in a position to have to lead with so much still to learn; with so much urgency for everything to happen now. I do feel like for my career, I'm in a better position in Houston.

I think he appreciated and loved Linsanity.


"I love the New York fans to death," Lin said. "That's the biggest reason why I wanted to return to New York. The way they embraced me, the way they supported us this past season, was better than anything I've ever seen or experienced. I'll go to my grave saying that. What New York did for me was unbelievable. I wanted to play in front of those fans for the rest of my career."

[niko]

Yeah, I've found comments from November 2012 where he, I admit, complained. That also pissed me off. I'm not sure if that's what you're talking about. Can't find your "i can't believe" thread though.

Are these the facing pressure comments you're talking about?





I think he appreciated and loved Linsanity.

He said "the experience freaked him out". He said people would yell WE LOVE YOU LIN when he walked outside and it made him nervous. He complained about not being sure who his true friends were anymore. (Remember that?) He said he was glad the pressure was gone.

I'm not going to look, i don't need to look for quotes to prove to you. We discussed it on the board ad nauseum. Shepeskaf in the thread, he can tell you. I got called all kinds of names.

I'm sure a year from now when he's the backup PG after they upgrade he'll love and apperciate Linsanity but i don't think he does now.

[All Net]

Uh oh..

[sommervilleCdn]

fair and balance approach: "lin played great yesterday vs denver" :applause: SO lets call him out when he plays poorly, and heap on praise when he does well.

/sorry if that's too vanilla for u guys
// Lindagawd

[STATUTORY]

He said "the experience freaked him out". He said people would yell WE LOVE YOU LIN when he walked outside and it made him nervous. He complained about not being sure who his true friends were anymore. (Remember that?) He said he was glad the pressure was gone.

I'm not going to look, i don't need to look for quotes to prove to you. We discussed it on the board ad nauseum. Shepeskaf in the thread, he can tell you. I got called all kinds of names.

I'm sure a year from now when he's the backup PG after they upgrade he'll love and apperciate Linsanity but i don't think he does now.

a lot of people just can't handle the limelight, personal issues among celebrities is certainly higher than the public baseline.

real talk tho, if he wasn't asian he would definitely have gotten a D1 scholarship somewhere for college. I never have issue with anyone who speak up regarding discrimination at any level of granularity.

progress is delivered by "whiners"

[Shepseskaf]

Jeremy Lin isn't "doing this."

CBS invited him on and asked questions. So he's answering them.

He's not bringing it up out of nowhere. He was interviewed. So he discussed it
I don't buy this excuse for one second. You mean a Harvard graduate can't figure out a way to respond to a question in such a way that what he says doesn't become a headline?

He could have said something like: "There have been many players who fell off the NBA scouts' radar for one reason or another. I'm just glad that circumstances have allowed me the opportunity to play in Houston."

He would be telling the truth, and no story would be generated that even hinted that he was complaining about being discriminated against because he was Asian.

He WANTS to feel like a victim when he clearly isn't. That's the real problem.

[Boomerang]

I don't buy this excuse for one second. You mean a Harvard graduate can't figure out a way to respond to a question in such a way that what he says doesn't become a headline?

He could have said something like: "There have been many players who fell off the NBA scouts' radar for one reason or another. I'm just glad that circumstances have allowed me the opportunity to play in Houston."

He would be telling the truth, and no story would be generated that even hinted that he was complaining about being discriminated against because he was Asian.

He WANTS to feel like a victim when he clearly isn't. That's the real problem.
So was he discriminated as an Asian or not. I think any knowledgeable person on this board will say yes, from NCAA to NBA. Then if he's asked the questions, so he responds.. what's wrong with that? You don't like hearing it, don't read it then.

Ask any black player about how they made it, and they'll tell you how tough their upbringing was. How they got out of the ghetto.

This is the same thing. End of the day, if you don't like it, ignore it. Otherwise, you're just looking for a reason to hate him.

[Shepseskaf]

I'm not going to look, i don't need to look for quotes to prove to you. We discussed it on the board ad nauseum. Shepeskaf in the thread, he can tell you. I got called all kinds of names.
Absolute truth. There were three Lin thread appearing every single day, and anyone who tried to put some reality into the discussion was called a racist, hater, anti-Asian, etc. It was ridiculous.

I'm glad to see that he's playing well, but the attention he gets is way out of proportion to his playing skills.

[Cliff Paul]

I believe him.

[Shepseskaf]

So was he discriminated as an Asian or not. I think any knowledgeable person on this board will say yes, from NCAA to NBA. Then if he's asked the questions, so he responds.. what's wrong with that? You don't like hearing it, don't read it then.

Ask any black player about how they made it, and they'll tell you how tough their upbringing was. How they got out of the ghetto.

This is the same thing. End of the day, if you don't like it, ignore it. Otherwise, you're just looking for a reason to hate him.
Entirely wrong take on your part. Saying once or twice that he might have been overlooked due to the fact that he didn't fit the profile of a "typical" NBA player is fine. But this has become a pattern of behavior for him.

I'm not the only one who doesn't want to hear it any more. In addition, if he also added the fact that his current $25 million contract was given almost entirely because of his ethnicity, then it would balance things out. He, apparently, just wants to complain.

You don't hear black players going on and on and on about how tough they had it growing up. They might mention it a couple of times, then realize that people don't want to hear millionaires complain -- especially in these tough economic times.

Lastly, this is a message board where people discuss various topics. If I don't like something that a player says or does, then I'm going to comment on it, if I don't feel like ignoring it.

[Boomerang]

Entirely wrong take on your part. Saying once or twice that he might have been overlooked due to the fact that he didn't fit the profile of a "typical" NBA player is fine. But this has become a pattern of behavior for him.

I'm not the only one who doesn't want to hear it any more. In addition, if he also added the fact that his current $25 million contract was given almost entirely because of his ethnicity, then it would balance things out. He, apparently, just wants to complain.

You don't hear black players going on and on and on about how tough they had it growing up. They might mentione it a couple of times, then realize that people don't want to hear millionaires complain -- especially in these tough economic times.

Lastly, this is a message board where people discuss various topics. If I don't like something that a player says or does, then I'm going to comment on it if I don't feel like ignoring it.
Go to any article or interview of him mentioning race. (I'm not sure it's even as much as you guys claim.) Now read the whole thing.. how does it start? Does it start by him mentioning it out of nowhere, or does it start by someone else asking him the question? Bet you it's the latter.

Now, same as any black players. Anytime they are asked questions about their upbringing, adversities, they'll mention it.

Now, why does Jeremy Lin gets asked so much, more so than Black players? Because that's his story. He was the underdog under the radar that made it out. Plus the league is now filled with black players.. they all have the same story. No one is even interested anymore.

So basically, this is all the doing of the media. I hope you realized how easily you are being influenced by the media.

[Boomerang]

Before you say that he shouldn't have to mention it so blatantly everytime he's asked, I want to say one more thing.

He's the only notable Asian American in the league right now. When he speaks out, he is speaking for thousands of other asian americans playing sports around the nation. Him bringing publicity to this will allow other sports organizations to perhaps think twice next time.

So yes, he should milk it every chance he gets. It's not a bad thing. It's helpful to the society. Perhaps not to you, but to thousands of others, it is.

Now, if you just want to find reasons to hate him no matter what, go ahead.

[Shepseskaf]

So yes, he should milk it every chance he gets. It's not a bad thing. It's helpful to the society. Perhaps not to you, but to thousands of others, it is.

Now, if you just want to find reasons to hate him no matter what, go ahead.
That's your opinion -- and its one that isn't held by many people to judge by the comments on larger sports boards. Most simply don't want to hear it, and wish he would just STFU and play.

Using the word "hate" is both lazy and stupid, and it doesn't accurately describe the situation.

[HoopDreams247]

Before you say that he shouldn't have to mention it so blatantly everytime he's asked, I want to say one more thing.

He's the only notable Asian American in the league right now. When he speaks out, he is speaking for thousands of other asian americans playing sports around the nation. Him bringing publicity to this will allow other sports organizations to perhaps think twice next time.

So yes, he should milk it every chance he gets. It's not a bad thing. It's helpful to the society. Perhaps not to you, but to thousands of others, it is.

Now, if you just want to find reasons to hate him no matter what, go ahead.

This. It really pisses me off when people attack Lin for these kind of things. He's asked a question and he answers. Asians are so underpresented in the media and when they are represented they're given one-dimensional roles. Lin is breaking all sorts of stereotypes. I don't know why people expect him to completely ignore the fact that his ethnicity has shaped his life and how people perceive him. Racism is something all Asian-Americans have had to deal with growing up, and it's a good thing Lin is giving a voice to this.

[Shepseskaf]

This. It really pisses me off when people attack Lin for these kind of things. He's asked a question and he answers. Asians are so underpresented in the media and when they are represented they're given one-dimensional roles. Lin is breaking all sorts of stereotypes. I don't know why people expect him to completely ignore the fact that his ethnicity has shaped his life and how people perceive him. Racism is something all Asian-Americans have had to deal with growing up, and it's a good thing Lin is giving a voice to this.
Once again, if he's going to comment about the disadvantages he faced because of his ethnicity, he should not fail to also mention how much it helped him to get his $25 million contract.

People don't see a millionaire Harvard graduate as a someone to feel sorry for. Sooner or later, he'll figure this out.

[clayton]

Because basketball and Asian is a major contradiction.

[HoopDreams247]

Once again, if he's going to comment about the disadvantages he faced because of his ethnicity, he should not fail to also mention how much it helped him to get his $25 million contract.

People don't see a millionaire Harvard graduate as a someone to feel sorry for. Sooner or later, he'll figure this out.

So you're saying that as long as things turn out fine in the end, the obstacles that one faces should be ignored or minimized? He's not asking for sympathy; he's asking that society reevaluate its perception of Asian-Americans. The fact that he's a Harvard graduate has nothing to do with this bigger issue.

Look at it this way, it is beyond argument that Jews are some of the most successful figures in the media and finance. Is it wrong for those figures and their people to still feel sensitive about antisemitism?

It's downright ignorant for you to judge the gravity of racism when you yourself most likely haven't even experienced how it can change your life. It most certainly changed Lin's. Lin is more than just a basketball player for the Asian-American community, and you have no right to tell him to just "stfu and play." It takes a lot of courage for Lin to acknowledge these hard truths.

[Boomerang]

Once again, if he's going to comment about the disadvantages he faced because of his ethnicity, he should not fail to also mention how much it helped him to get his $25 million contract.

People don't see a millionaire Harvard graduate as a someone to feel sorry for. Sooner or later, he'll figure this out.
Why should he mention it? How many other Asian Americans has this "advantage" help? 0. If it is like what you say, then a few hundred Asians should have also gotten huge contracts.

How many other asian americans have gone through what he went through? thousands.

He's not looking for your sympathy, he's just saying it like it was, and giving publicity for more chances for other Asians. How can you spin even something good like this into something bad? There's really no answer then the fact that you dislike the guy. In fact it's easier if you just come out and say that outright, instead of finding some excuses so you can logically hate on him.

I don't think many share your opinion really. You are using ESPN boards as an example? Every single news article has idiots attacking Lebron, Kobe. :facepalm In this thread I see you and niko attack him continuously for no reason. Like him mentioning his race was a personal insult to your mother.

[Shepseskaf]

It's downright ignorant for you to judge the gravity of racism when you yourself most likely haven't even experienced how it can change your life. It most certainly changed Lin's.
Its downright ignorant for you not to understand that if he's going to complain about the difficulties he's faced due to race, the other side of the coin, the advantages, should also be presented. Otherwise, its just perceived as sour grapes by a person who shouldn't be b*tching about his lot in life.

I would say the same thing about any other player from a minority ethnic group.

[HoopDreams247]

Its downright ignorant for you not to understand that if he's going to complain about the difficulties he's faced due to race, the other side of the coin, the advantages, should also be presented. Otherwise, its just perceived as sour grapes by a person who shouldn't be b*tching about his lot in life.

I would say the same thing about any other player from a minority ethnic group.

lmfao I was like lmfao

Are you just going to repeat the same thing over and over again? The post above and my own have clearly stated why Lin's contract has no place in this discussion of racism. Let's assume the Rockets paid Lin that specific amount of $25m just because he's Asian; nevertheless, that choice has nothing to do with how other ethnic groups negatively perceive Asians. It only represents how Asian fans support Lins.

[Boomerang]

Its downright ignorant for you not to understand that if he's going to complain about the difficulties he's faced due to race, the other side of the coin, the advantages, should also be presented. Otherwise, its just perceived as sour grapes by a person who shouldn't be b*tching about his lot in life.

I would say the same thing about any other player from a minority ethnic group.
Again I ask you, how many others have benefited from this so-called "advantage"?

[Shepseskaf]

Why should he mention it? How many other Asian Americans has this "advantage" help? 0. If it is like what you say, then a few hundred Asians should have also gotten huge contracts.

How many other asian americans have gone through what he went through? thousands.

He's not looking for your sympathy, he's just saying it like it was, and giving publicity for more chances for other Asians. How can you spin even something good like this into something bad? There's really no answer then the fact that you dislike the guy. In fact it's easier if you just come out and say that outright, instead of finding some excuses so you can logically hate on him.

I don't think many share your opinion really. You are using ESPN boards as an example? Every single news article has idiots attacking Lebron, Kobe. :facepalm In this thread I see you and niko attack him continuously for no reason. Like him mentioning his race was a personal insult to your mother.
This is why the Lin story has turned sour to many. Ignorant fanboys who don't realize that their ridiculous excuses insult everyone's intelligence and good sense.

Then, having accused others of "attacking" Lin, they then proceed to insult someone else's family member.

I'm done with this. You don't get it, and probably never will.

[Shepseskaf]

lmfao I was like lmfao
Laugh at yourself. You're clueless.

[HoopDreams247]

This is why the Lin story has turned sour to many. Ignorant fanboys who don't realize that their ridiculous excuses insult everyone's intelligence and good sense.

Then, having accused others of "attacking" Lin, they then proceed to insult someone else's family member.

I'm done with this. You don't get it, and probably never will.

Boomerang never insulted your mother.


Laugh at yourself. You're clueless.

Once again, you completely ignore all logical arguments and refuse to offer any of your own.

[Boomerang]

This is why the Lin story has turned sour to many. Ignorant fanboys who don't realize that their ridiculous excuses insult everyone's intelligence and good sense.

Then, having accused others of "attacking" Lin, they then proceed to insult someone else's family member.

I'm done with this. You don't get it, and probably never will.
You have tackled less than 5% of the statements me and Hoopdreams presented to you in this page.

I hope you'll stay true to your words that you're done with this. We don't need to see anymore of your senseless hating posts.

[9512]

People who whine about other people's whining.

Which is worse?

[niko]

How is it attacking Lin to point out that he's mentions often that he has faced racial hardships and that he didn't like the pressure in NY? He has mentioned it often. HE HAD A PRESS TOUR DURING THE SEASON. Is that normal?

I don't discount Lin experiencing racism, i question the wisdom of him at this point not just deflecting the question and moving on. Especially when it's so mild.

[9512]

Jeremy Lin doesn't give a crap what a bunch of anonymous people who criticize him for his words (be it ISH, ESPN boards, anyone else) :oldlol:

Lin may make millions and have a degree from Harvard but in the grand scheme of things it won't matter all that much. This stuff only matters to materialistic and shallow people. :rolleyes:

This is not a form of spitefulness like, "I got more money than you" BS. You, me, Lin, and everyone else on this earth will be judged for their toughness during their trials and tribulations.

Jeremy Lin is a man of god and he plays for Him and Him alone. Jeremy's been through his in his NBA journey and I think it still worth mentioning his journey which happened to include his challenge of racism :cheers:

(And no I am not some Jesus freak. I am agnostic. :roll:)

I think you guys need to chill about this race thing (both sides of the arguments). Until we have seen the whole interview of 60 minutes, we shouldn't judge Jeremy too soon.

I think the trailer was meant to stir some discourse and get people to watch it or talk about it or as in the case of the thread debate it.

Maybe we are overestimating the race thing. The interview is 60 minutes and maybe only 4 minutes was about race.

In the end the joke's on Lin's haters if anything. he's getting his story out and whether you agree with him or not, he was heard.

[sommervilleCdn]

People who whine about other people's whining.

Which is worse?

PS: I am a Jeremy Lin fan but hated the Linsanity. LOL...The dude was getting too much press for the average player he is.

Truth is had Jeremy been black or white, he would've gotten a D1 full ride, drafted in the late 1st/early 2nd round and he would've averaged the same numbers he is averaging right now and no one would give a damn. Kinda like a Luke Ridnour with an Asian face. See his journey to the NBA. Pretty spoiled guy Ridnour is huh?

Luke Ridnour is a pretty close comparison to JLin , yesss..., their games doe look similar:oldlol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mMirE7szaA (I also need to find moar luke ridnour mixtapes ! )

Maybe there bros from another mother? -Ridnour doesn't get anymore pub because nobody knows who he is. : [

/I see Lin being more clutch, and more explosive in this stage of his career though

[HoopDreams247]

How is it attacking Lin to point out that he's mentions often that he has faced racial hardships and that he didn't like the pressure in NY? He has mentioned it often. HE HAD A PRESS TOUR DURING THE SEASON. Is that normal?

I don't discount Lin experiencing racism, i question the wisdom of him at this point not just deflecting the question and moving on. Especially when it's so mild.

Read my above posts and Boomerangs'. They will help you more than this post alone. Lin is more than a basketball player for the Asian-American community. You're completely decontextualizing his interviews; they don't speak for him as merely an individual, but give voice to the obstacles members of the Asian-American community face. This is something that many people either don't understand or choose to ignore/minimize. In reality, it would be unwise for Lin to not acknowledge these hard truths when specifically asked to share them. Racism is not in any way "mild."

And this isn't me just bsing. This is a responsibility Lin knows he carries. He's very involved in the Asian-American and other ethnic minority group communities.

[9512]

Luke Ridnour is a pretty close comparison to JLin , yesss..., their games doe look similar:oldlol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mMirE7szaA (I also need to find moar luke ridnour mixtapes ! )

Maybe there bros from another mother? -Ridnour doesn't get anymore pub because nobody knows who he is. : [

/I see Lin being more clutch, and more explosive in this stage of his career though

not sure if sarcasm or not. I took back what said in my initial post but you had to quote me. After being signed up since 2006, you had to come out of the lurking shadows for my post. I am flattered.

But on a serious note, I wanted to say that Lin was on-part with Ridnour talent wise not necessarily skill set wise.

My point of bringing up Ridnour was for the same amount of talent both have one is famous (Lin) and the other is not (Ridnour). But both have the same amount of talent (more or less).

Ridnour is not bad btw. He's average to above average and that's not a bad thing.

[Rekindled]

not sure if sarcasm or not. I took back what said in my initial post but you had to quote me. After being signed up since 2006, you had to come out of the lurking shadows for my post. I am flattered.

But on a serious note, I wanted to say that Lin was on-part with Ridnour talent wise not necessarily skill set wise.

My point of bringing up Ridnour was for the same amount of talent both have one is famous (Lin) and the other is not (Ridnour). But both have the same amount of talent (more or less).

Ridnour is not bad btw. He's average to above average and that's not a bad thing.

wtf is this , ridnour in his career never put up the number Lin put up his first 2 seasons

[Solid Snake]

**** Lin.

[sommervilleCdn]

not sure if sarcasm or not. I took back what said in my initial post but you had to quote me. After being signed up since 2006, you had to come out of the lurking shadows for my post. I am flattered.

Ridnour is not bad btw. He's average to above average and that's not a bad thing.

It was an interesting debate. The luke ridnour comment piqued my interest Is all . Im serious when I say, I didn't notice they had a similar game until now (arguable) :cheers:

[9512]

wtf is this , ridnour in his career never put up the number Lin put up his first 2 seasons

Ridnour was not given the same "shoot and throw the ball away all you want carte blanche" as Lin when Lin was with the Knicks.

His first year with the Warriors, Lin was black balled by Keith Smart. He was in and out of the roster (sent to the D league) and couldn't fit in within the regular rotation.

Smart is black balling Jimmer Fredette with the Kings this year too.

Funny thing is Smart hated the Linsanity I bet and when people asked him about Lin's new found success with the Knicks he took credit for it. Along the lines of "we gave him an opportunity to develop in the D League." Yea that stint in the D league is what resulted into his "new found" skill and talent that catapulted Lin into his Knicks' stint.

here's the interview:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqS02Wgw9vY

[9512]

It was an interesting debate. The luke ridnour comment piqued my interest Is all . Im serious when I say, I didn't notice they had a similar game until now (arguable) :cheers:


I was actually trying to take it back cuz i regretted bringing it up. lol

:roll: :cheers:

[BrooklynZoo]

does anyone think 60 minutes interviewed him to ask him about the rockets playoff chances? your only argument could be that he should have turned down an interview with 60 minutes, which I cant blame him for doing

[DuMa]

I just watched the 13 min clip. I already knew much about his story but Lin is half right imho. The asian stereotype was a huge factor in him not getting a single scholarship offer after being named 'Player of the Year' in California for his Palo Alto high school. He did deserve a couple of scholarship offers.

However for him not to be drafted in the NBA, It wasnt race being the deciding factor. It was just due to him not being exposed to the NBA Scouts. Harvard isnt exactly a basketball powerhouse and isnt known for producing NBA talent so a small pool of scouts, AND I do mean very small. You really have to have elite play, or play in an elite conference to make you stand out against other NBA prospects. The NBA Dream is so so hard to achieve for many hoop dreamers. Lin earned his way into the NBA the hard way and he captilized on an opportunity in New York that paved the way into getting the contract he got. He broke a lot of stereotype barriers along the way.

That said, Linsanity was a fun time in the NBA. one of the best moments ever in sports history for me. It was a dream come true for many asian american kids like me. I'm glad 60 minutes focused much of that on their interview instead of the race issue.

[TheBigVeto]

Dude spoke the truth.
Jeremy Lin = Martin Luther King for Asian Americans.

[niko]

Read my above posts and Boomerangs'. They will help you more than this post alone. Lin is more than a basketball player for the Asian-American community. You're completely decontextualizing his interviews; they don't speak for him as merely an individual, but give voice to the obstacles members of the Asian-American community face. This is something that many people either don't understand or choose to ignore/minimize. In reality, it would be unwise for Lin to not acknowledge these hard truths when specifically asked to share them. Racism is not in any way "mild."

And this isn't me just bsing. This is a responsibility Lin knows he carries. He's very involved in the Asian-American and other ethnic minority group communities.

He is making $8M a year playing basketball, a large part of his popularity is because he's asian, and the "racism" he faced is racism that probably 90% of the black players wish was the only racism they faced. If he continues to push an agenda to talk about this he's going to get backlash. I've been stopped by police ad nausem when young for being PR and having a nice car. When a person says racism kept their basketball from being appreciated it doesn't resonate with me. I'm thinking a lot of people agree.

BTW, I have a shitload of chinese friends and they liked Lin because he was asian but also because he was freaking awesome and kicking ass. It had (literally) nothing to do with breaking barriers or facing racism. Nothing at all. Maybe because we are in NY and being asian doesn't exactly carry a stigma.:facepalm

[shoops]

He is making $8M a year playing basketball, a large part of his popularity is because he's asian, and the "racism" he faced is racism that probably 90% of the black players wish was the only racism they faced. If he continues to push an agenda to talk about this he's going to get backlash. I've been stopped by police ad nausem when young for being PR and having a nice car. When a person says racism kept their basketball from being appreciated it doesn't resonate with me. I'm thinking a lot of people agree.

I don't see how he's trying to compare the issues he faced with the types of racism that you're talking about. He's just talking about subtler racism as a barrier rather than in-your-face racism.

Besides I heard that the actual clip doesn't really focus on racism anyways, but I haven't seen it myself and probably don't need to. It was a done a while ago and likely mostly a recap afaik.

[9512]

here is the clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfnS2hGD30w

Only a small percentage was about Asian stuff.

[HoopDreams247]

When a person says racism kept their basketball from being appreciated it doesn't resonate with me. I'm thinking a lot of people agree.


Whenever race becomes a barrier to someone fulfilling their dreams...that's a problem.

And I grew up in the South, so lets just say I've had to deal with a lot of racism/stereotyping growing up.

[D.J.]

Jeremy Lin = Martin Luther King for Asian Americans.


:facepalm

[senelcoolidge]

I sometimes play at the local University and I play with lots of Asians, mostly Chinese students. Sure most maybe smaller, but they can ball. They don't take stupid shots (they actually make their shots) and don't try to show boat. They hustle. I would pick them over some other people there that may look more athletic. I'll take smarts over brawn. Am sure Lin faced prejudice since Asian players are such a minority in basketball. Also the whole stupid street culture that has taken over basketball doesn't help.

[Da KO King]

Being Asian definitely played in a role in not getting scholarship looks but being a 6'2" 150 lbs SG with a questionable jumpshot and decision making mattered FAR more.

This is a story because most people do not know anything about HS basketball. There are many players that have amazing HS careers and they do not get a serious look.

[KungFuJoe]

Being Asian definitely played in a role in not getting scholarship looks but being a 6'2" 150 lbs SG with a questionable jumpshot and decision making mattered FAR more.

This is a story because most people do not know anything about HS basketball. There are many players that have amazing HS careers and they do not get a serious look.

Isn't Lin the ONLY ever POTY for a CA Div II high school ball player to NOT receive a single Div I college scholarship offer?

Not to mention factoring in leading his team to a 32-1 record, state championship AND upset of powerhouse Mater Dei?

[Da KO King]

Isn't Lin the ONLY ever POTY for a CA Div II high school ball player to NOT receive a single Div I college scholarship offer?

Not to mention factoring in leading his team to a 32-1 record, state championship AND upset of powerhouse Mater Dei?
Lin did not win POY, he was runner-up. Taylor King (one of the most disappointing player to ever go to Duke) won it for CA-D2. Lin won a newspaper's POY award though I'm not sure what paper.

Again, there is no doubt that being Asian played a part. However on top of being Asian the following is also true:

- Lin was a streaky shooter AT BEST in high school
- left HS at a 6'2" 150lbs SG
- did not show the ability to finish at the rim when competition had legit D1 talent
- did not show any signs of being a PG
- never averaged big time HS stats
- had a number of walk-on invitations (if he got an Academic Scholarship and walked on that is a scholarship the team can offer to another player)


Jeremy Lin is not the first player to get overlooked coming out of HS.

[TheBigVeto]

:facepalm

Don't be hatin, you foo!

[MiseryCityTexas]

If Jeremy Lin was black they would say he's making excuses, and playing the race card.:oldlol:

[Shepseskaf]

Lin did not win POY, he was runner-up. Taylor King (one of the most disappointing player to ever go to Duke) won it for CA-D2. Lin won a newspaper's POY award though I'm not sure what paper.

Again, there is no doubt that being Asian played a part. However on top of being Asian the following is also true:

- Lin was a streaky shooter AT BEST in high school
- left HS at a 6'2" 150lbs SG
- did not show the ability to finish at the rim when competition had legit D1 talent
- did not show any signs of being a PG
- never averaged big time HS stats
- had a number of walk-on invitations (if he got an Academic Scholarship and walked on that is a scholarship the team can offer to another player)


Jeremy Lin is not the first player to get overlooked coming out of HS.
:applause: Great info. I feel smarter now.

ISH needs more high-quality posts like this.

[niko]

The fact is Jeremy Lin likes telling the story of Jeremy Lin. And part of his story makes him seem (in my opinion) mentally weak. He got such ridiculous support in NY last year (he could do no wrong, people put him over Melo) and his take on it seems to be it was too much pressure and he's happier without it. (The fact fame was so hard because he no longer knew who his true friends were, my eyes rolled so hard i no longer have pupils. I dream of having these problems someday.)

[9512]

The fact is Jeremy Lin likes telling the story of Jeremy Lin. And part of his story makes him seem (in my opinion) mentally weak. He got such ridiculous support in NY last year (he could do no wrong, people put him over Melo) and his take on it seems to be it was too much pressure and he's happier without it. (The fact fame was so hard because he no longer knew who his true friends were, my eyes rolled so hard i no longer have pupils. I dream of having these problems someday.)

Lin was playing in NYC. Perhaps the biggest stage there is in the world. From my experience seeing NY sports fans and its media which includes douchey Stephen a smith, I feel for Jeremy for not wanting the pressure. Let's face it NYC fans are some of the worst fans. They experience a little success and think they are entitled to more than any one ...

I cheered when the Rockets beat the Knicks in 94.

In short, f@ck the Knicks and that elitist fan base.

I think Antoine walker wishes he knew who his real friends were.

Even childhood friends would ask toine for a loan for a great business venture and when it failed and he needed to pay Antoine back for the initial capital, that so called friend was nowhere to be found.

And Antoine is street smart and book smart according to his college coach rick pitino.