Margaret Thatcher RIP

[ErhnamDjinn]

Iron lady succumbs to a stroke, weird I didnt see a thread on this, always admired her strong will, maybe not the best of leaders, but I will always remember her and Regan since they were the world leaders during the time I was born along with Gorby

RIP

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-dies-aged-87

[HarryCallahan]

I don't agree w/ her politics but was a far better politician than 99.99% of them so R.I.P.

[East_Stone_Ya]

argentina rejoices :facepalm

[kNicKz]

argentina rejoices :facepalm

yeah, they mad :roll:

[pinhead]

If anybody does not deserve to RIP it is Thatcher. The only good thing she ever did was beat the Argies. She was a vile woman and leader who all but destroyed this country. Tony Blair deserves great credit for sorting out a lot of the mess Thatcher and her government left behind.

[pinhead]

I don't agree w/ her politics but was a far better politician than 99.99% of them so R.I.P.

Dumbass bitch. Thatcher was most deplorable western politician since the second world war. Stick to talking about hoops because you know jackshit, son.

[Balla_Status]

Based on what I've read, if you didn't want to work hard and just live off the government, you didn't like Thatcher.

[Timmy D for MVP]

Based on what I've read, if you didn't want to work hard and just live off the government, you didn't like Thatcher.

Read more.

That said no one should relish in the death of a human being. RIP indeed.

[pinhead]

Based on what I've read, if you didn't want to work hard and just live off the government, you didn't like Thatcher.

WTF are you reading you cockmuncher? So all the miners whose lives were destroyed by this witch didn't want to work? I bet you loved Reagan too you little bitch.

[pinhead]

Read more.

That said no one should relish in the death of a human being. RIP indeed.

OMG, what a hypocrite. Thousands of americans gathered to celebrate the death of bin laden. Thatcher was a worse human being than bin laden.

[millwad]

OMG, what a hypocrite. Thousands of americans gathered to celebrate the death of bin laden. Thatcher was a worse human being than bin laden.

This.

Seen a lot of positive comments about Thatcher on americans forums and it surprises me that some of these fools won't take the time to read about Thatcher before they write positive comments about her. Fools.

[Patrick Chewing]

Thatcher woulda told Obama to go f*** himself

[RidonKs]

OMG, what a hypocrite. Thousands of americans gathered to celebrate the death of bin laden. Thatcher was a worse human being than bin laden.
wow...

[K]

To Kenneth Clarke, who said, "Isn

[Timmy D for MVP]

OMG, what a hypocrite. Thousands of americans gathered to celebrate the death of bin laden. Thatcher was a worse human being than bin laden.

First off: no.

And secondly: I did not celebrate the death of Bin Laden.

[Patrick Chewing]

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[KingBeasley08]

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[K]

What? That's an awesome quote.

Because war isn't our national sport. I don't even care if it was just a tongue in cheek remark.

[pinhead]

This.

Seen a lot of positive comments about Thatcher on americans forums and it surprises me that some of these fools won't take the time to read about Thatcher before they write positive comments about her. Fools.

Americans are brainwashed by right wing crap like fox news, who probably love her because she sucked Reagan's ****.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Rip to a being if strength

[Pacers4ever]

[QUOTE=K

[Skywalker]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BHVwbJfCEAMj-5-.jpg:large

[Scoooter]

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[Lakers Legend#32]

A gob of spit on Thatcher's grave.

[Balla_Status]

OMG, what a hypocrite. Thousands of americans gathered to celebrate the death of bin laden. Thatcher was a worse human being than bin laden.

lol

Then explain what she did wrong.

[longhornfan1234]

We lost a hero. Thatcher, Rand, and Reagan were my childhood heros. They took on big government loons and union thugs. :bowdown: :bowdown:

[KevinNYC]

We lost a hero. Thatcher, Rand, and Reagan were my childhood heros. They took on big government loons and union thugs. :bowdown: :bowdown:

Finally killing off that "moderate Democrat" pose. Good for you.

[TheReturn]

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[Just2McFly]

WTF are you reading you cockmuncher? So all the miners whose lives were destroyed by this witch didn't want to work? I bet you loved Reagan too you little bitch.
:eek: :roll:

[RagaZ]

[QUOTE=K

[longhornfan1234]

[QUOTE=KevinNYC]Finally killing off that "moderate Democrat" pose. Good for you.[/QUOTE

How so? Thatcher and Reagan are not far right.

Thatcher was for welfare, universal health care, public schools, and the general saftey net for the poor. You already know about Reagan's views

[step_back]

You're just mad as f*ck cuz you're German. :lol

Germans can't take a self deprecating joke. They've never been known for their sense of humor.

[senelcoolidge]

Her country was a mess before she became PM and after she left it went to crap again. Socialism doesn't work..it's bad news in the long run.

[pinhead]

Damn, you're salty.

I dont support celebrating a death, same when Americans celebrated Bin Laden's death or Argies and Irish now with Thatcher.

There were plenty of parties around Britain too last night celebrating the death of this hag, especially in Scotland and northern England. I would have been there if I could.

[pinhead]

Her country was a mess before she became PM and after she left it went to crap again. Socialism doesn't work..it's bad news in the long run.

You jumped up self righteous jackass. Britain was at its worst and on its knees in the 80s BECAUSE of Thatcher. It was only when Blair got in that things started turning around.

[rufuspaul]

England was a disgrace in the late 70s. Thatcher came in and took the country back from labor union thugs and made the UK relevant on the world stage again. She wasn't perfect by any means but she was so much better than what the left was offering at the time.

[pinhead]

England was a disgrace in the late 70s. Thatcher came in and took the country back from labor union thugs and made the UK relevant on the world stage again. She wasn't perfect by any means but she was so much better than what the left was offering at the time.

You know nothing, son. I suggest you stick to talking about the Charlotte Shitcats.

[andgar923]

I don't know anything about her.

Having said that, I'll take the British people's words over any American's.

And

Only sensitive queers will not celebrate certain people's deaths.

[rufuspaul]

You know nothing, son. I suggest you stick to talking about the Charlotte Shitcats.


How so? Do you want England to return to the days of the late 70s? Was Labour doing a decent job?

[Patrick Chewing]

Don't the Brits hate Tony Blair just as much or more?? Seems to me you all have short-term memory.

[K]

Germans can't take a self deprecating joke. They've never been known for their sense of humor.

WW2 jokes just get old after a while. At first it was funny. But you have no idea how many ****ing times I have to listen to around English people. I was born decades after WW2. **** Margaret Thatcher and **** insecure Tommies who keep bringing it up. :lol

[pinhead]

How so? Do you want England to return to the days of the late 70s? Was Labour doing a decent job?

The 70s was a depressing place everywhere but Thatcher made it even worse.

She destroyed the manufacturing industry, she hated miners, she despised the poor. She was a barbaric bitch who sucked that jackass Reagan's ****.

[pinhead]

Don't the Brits hate Tony Blair just as much or more?? Seems to me you all have short-term memory.

Only the ******* who judge Blair over Iraq and nothing else. People with a balanced view know he done a lot of good.

[pinhead]

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[PrettyCool]

RIP to the greatest modern leader. You are now with Jesus Margaret.

[HarryCallahan]

Only the ******* who judge Blair over Iraq and nothing else. People with a balanced view know he done a lot of good.


:roll: :roll: :roll:

[GreatGreg]

Stop whining you punkass biatch. I have nothing against the modern day young German but just admit your grandparents/great grandparents were 24 carat gold jackasses
All of your posts are making you come off as some kind of salty-ass limey. Take that cactus out of your ass.

[pinhead]

All of your posts are making you come off as some kind of salty-ass limey. Take that cactus out of your ass.

Who the hell are you? Keep out of my business, buttmuncher.

[GreatGreg]

Who the hell are you? Keep out of my business, buttmuncher.
:roll: :roll: :roll:
If you want anyone to take your opinion seriously, at least post one sentence without a personal insult in it.

[millwad]

:roll: :roll: :roll:
If you want anyone to take your opinion seriously, at least post one sentence without a personal insult in it.

I some what feel him though, Thatcher is not an icon of greatness, at least not if you know some history.

There's a great reason why the working class in the UK are disgusted by this lady, instead of writing BS here I would rather like to see people read some about Thatcher.

[pinhead]

I some what feel him though, Thatcher is not an icon of greatness, at least not if you know some history.

There's a great reason why the working class in the UK are disgusted by this lady, instead of writing BS here I would rather like to see people read some about Thatcher.


Good point and well said.

I don't know where you are from but American jackasses like Greg are brainwashed by right wing bullshit propaganda like fox news and that piece of turd O'Reilly.

Some of you assclowns make me want to throw up.

[pinhead]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Is that all you got biatch? Take Iraq out of it and Blair is by far the greatest British PM since Churchill. He probably still is.

[GreatGreg]

Good point and well said.

I don't know where you are from but American jackasses like Greg are brainwashed by right wing bullshit propaganda like fox news and that piece of turd O'Reilly.

Some of you assclowns make me want to throw up.
Actually, idiot, I identify myself as a Independent libertarian. Think small & constitution adhering government, free markets, and foreign peace.

No, Thatcher wasn't a perfect politician. But her vehement defending of liberty and the free market, essentials in a developed nation such as the UK, should not go unnoticed by people like you.

[pinhead]

Actually, idiot, I identify myself as a Independent libertarian. Think small & constitution adhering government, free markets, and foreign peace.

No, Thatcher wasn't a perfect politician. But her vehement defending of liberty and the free market, essentials in a developed nation such as the UK, should not go unnoticed by people like you.

Foreign peace? What frickin world are you living in, son? This is real life biatch not Hollywood.

She took from the poor and gave to the rich(her own pocket), Anybody that attended a football match was an automatic hooligan in this hag's eyes, She privatised everything and made the working class suffer, She all but brought down the NHS.

And don't tell me what should go unnoticed you absolute cretin.

[GreatGreg]

Foreign peace? What frickin world are you living in, son? This is real life biatch not Hollywood.

She took from the poor and gave to the rich(her own pocket), Anybody that attended a football match was an automatic hooligan in this hag's eyes, She privatised everything and made the working class suffer, She all but brought down the NHS.

And don't tell me what should go unnoticed you absolute cretin.
:facepalm

Clearly, what we have here is an out-of-touch with reality leftist who can't back what he says. Once again, I really don't think we should take his opinion seriously.

[pinhead]

:facepalm

Clearly, what we have here is an out-of-touch with reality leftist who can't back what he says. Once again, I really don't think we should take his opinion seriously.

What a jackass :roll:

I could make a list of all the shit she put this country through but it will not make a bit of difference to a dumbass like you.

I doubt you even know who Thatcher is, and if you do you only know her through that punk ass biatch Reagan, who you probably thought was a great US president.

You should seriously stay out of threads you know jackshit about, punk

[GreatGreg]

What a jackass :roll:

I could make a list of all the shit she put this country through but it will not make a bit of difference to a dumbass like you.

I doubt you even know who Thatcher is, and if you do you only know her through that punk ass biatch Reagan, who you probably thought was a great US president.

You should seriously stay out of threads you know jackshit about, punk
He was. Give me reasons why he wasn't.

[pinhead]

He was. Give me reasons why he wasn't.

That piece of shit supported Argentina in the falklands. That is all I need to know that he is a punk ass biatch.

[HarryCallahan]

Foreign peace? What frickin world are you living in, son? This is real life biatch not Hollywood.

She took from the poor and gave to the rich(her own pocket), Anybody that attended a football match was an automatic hooligan in this hag's eyes, She privatised everything and made the working class suffer, She all but brought down the NHS.

And don't tell me what should go unnoticed you absolute cretin.


Oh I get it now. So you're a working class Labourite who feels hating on the Tories is akin to national duty. Makes sense now.

[step_back]

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[Balla_Status]

Actually, idiot, I identify myself as a Independent libertarian. Think small & constitution adhering government, free markets, and foreign peace.

No, Thatcher wasn't a perfect politician. But her vehement defending of liberty and the free market, essentials in a developed nation such as the UK, should not go unnoticed by people like you.

It's funny. He's trying to insult you by saying you watch Bill O' Reilly when he's using the same tactics (insults, inferred raising of voice) as Bill O' Reilly in this thread.

Also you can tell he's very ignorant with the Reagan and Fox News BS. But not after he tells you that you're ignorant.

All the people celebrating her death are those that have no jobs and do nothing as there are pictures of people celebrating during the day time.

[senelcoolidge]

England was a disgrace in the late 70s. Thatcher came in and took the country back from labor union thugs and made the UK relevant on the world stage again. She wasn't perfect by any means but she was so much better than what the left was offering at the time.

Very true. Future rep.

[UK-NJ]

As a working class northerner who's grown up around miners families directly affected by Thatcher's regime I find it very hard to believe I'm seeing people defend her. It genuinely beggars belief.

I think a lot of you would change your mind about her if you'd lived in England at the time. Well, that is unless you're all loaded & money's no object.

[FPJ]

WOW

Ive never seen anyone getting so much heat after passing away. In Liverpool they are giving free pints in bars, in Scotland and Ireland it looks like they just won the WORLD Cup. Argentina is celebrating too.

Funniest thing is that they wanted to give her a State funeral after all she did.

Fun fact: When she made that poll tax, the police later refused to arrest people cause 1 out of 3 people refused to pay it. A lot of people had it rough cause of her.

[rufuspaul]

As a working class northerner who's grown up around miners families directly affected by Thatcher's regime I find it very hard to believe I'm seeing people defend her. It genuinely beggars belief.

I think a lot of you would change your mind about her if you'd lived in England at the time. Well, that is unless you're all loaded & money's no object.


Sadly the mining and manufacturing industries in England, just like the US, were on their way out regardless of what Thatcher or any other PM did. The only reason they were still around was because the unions had the government by the balls. By standing up to the unions she helped speed up the demise but she also prevented the entire country from going down with them.

Thatcher haters are ranting like she was this autocratic despot who took power by force and ruled as a cruel dictator. If I recall correctly she was democratically elected 3 times by overwhelming majorities.

[UK-NJ]

[QUOTE]42 reasons to loathe Margaret Thatcher

1. She supported the retention of capital punishment.
2. She destroyed the country's manufacturing industry, creating the untenable situation Britain endures today whereby we import everything from either Germany, the USA, or China. Britain went from a world leader in manufacturing to an international joke.
3. She voted against the relaxation of divorce laws.
4. She abolished free milk for schoolchildren ("Margaret Thatcher, Milk Snatcher" being a popular slogan at the time).
5. She supported more freedom for business (and look how that has turned out).
6. She gained support from the National Front in the 1979 election by pandering to the fears of immigration.
7. She gerrymandered local authorities by forcing through council house sales, at the same time preventing councils from spending the money they got for selling houses on building new houses (spending on social housing dropped by 67% in her premiership).
8. She was responsible for 3.6 million unemployed - the highest figure and the highest proportion of the workforce in history and three times the previous government. Massaging of the figures means that the figure was closer to 5 million, and this still does not take into account those forced on to incapacity benefits.
9. She ignored intelligence about Argentinian preparations for the invasion of the Falkland Islands and scrapped the only Royal Navy presence in the islands.
10. The poll tax (an unfair tax levied equally on every member of society regardless of income)
11. She presided over the closure of 150 coal mines; we are now crippled by the cost of energy, having to import expensive coal from abroad.
12. She compared her "fight" against the miners to the Falklands War.
13. She privatised state monopolies such as energy and created the corporate greed culture that we've been railing against for the last 5 years.
14. She introduced the gradual privatisation of the NHS.
15. She introduced financial deregulation in a way that turned city institutions into avaricious money pits which led directly to the 2008 crash.
16. She pioneered the unfailing adoration and unquestioning support of the USA, prior to this support had been more bilateral and measured.
17. She allowed the US to place nuclear missiles on UK soil, under US control.
18. Section 28, a homophobic clause reading that a local council "shall not intentionally promote homosexuality or publish material with the intention of promoting homosexuality" or "promote the teaching in any maintained school of the acceptability of homosexuality as a pretended family relationship".
19. She opposed anti-apartheid sanctions against South Africa and described Nelson Mandela as "that grubby little terrorist".
20. She supported the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia and sent the SAS to train their soldiers.
21. She allowed the US to bomb Libya in 1986, against the wishes of more than 2/3 of the population.
22. She opposed the reunification of Germany.
23. She invented Quangos (shady government/private bodies with powers to influence policy but very little supervision)
24. She increased VAT from 8% to 17.5%, an evil flat tax on all.
25. She had the lowest approval rating of any post-war Prime Minister
26. Her post-PM job? Consultant to Philip Morris tobacco at $250,000 a year, plus $50,000 per speech
27. The Al Yamamah contract
28. She opposed the indictment of Chile's General Pinochet.
29. Social unrest under her leadership was higher than at any time since the General Strike.
30. She presided over interest rates increasing to 15%.
31. BSE (deregulation of what could be fed to farm animals).
32. She presided over 2 million manufacturing job losses in the 79-81 recession.
33. She opposed the inclusion of Eire in the Northern Ireland peace process, exacerbating the feeling of unrest amongst the Catholic population.
34. She supported sanctions-busting arms deals with South Africa during apartied.
35. Cecil Parkinson, Alan Clark, David Mellor, Jeffrey Archer, Jonathan Aitkin, corruption after corruption.
36. Crime rates doubled under Thatcher.
37. Black Wednesday – Britain withdraws from the ERM and the pound is devalued. Cost to Britain -

[rufuspaul]

It's very easy to talk about her policies favourably when you don't have any friends/family who were affected by them. There's a reason she had the lowest approval rating of any Prime minister since the war. 'There's no such thing as society' - yeah, and we're still paying the consequences of that single minded approach to this day. The further dismantling of the NHS by the current coalition is a nail in the coffin to one of the few remaining things that makes this country great.


How did she keep getting re-elected then? You blame her for the 79-81 recession but that was a world-wide event. Same for the 2008 crash. You blame her and everyone here blames Bush. The "manufacturing world leader" that Britain claimed to be was a facade. Do you honestly believe the industry would be a competitive world leader had Maggie bowed to the unions?

[Quote=George Will] She aimed to be the moral equivalent of military trauma, shaking her nation into vigor through rigor. As stable societies mature, they resemble long-simmering stews

[Rasheed1]

didnt she support the apartheid in South Africa? :facepalm

I wont celebrate her death, but I won't mourn her because it doesnt seem to be much of a loss

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She opposed anti-apartheid sanctions against South Africa and described Nelson Mandela as "that grubby little terrorist".

yep.. just as I remembered...

She is alot like Reagan with the way certain people worship him & try to revise history even though he did some pretty heinous things as president.

[rufuspaul]

didnt she support the apartheid in South Africa? :facepalm

I wont celebrate her death, but I won't mourn her because it doesnt seem to be much of a loss

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yep.. just as I remembered...

She is alot like Reagan with the way certain people worship him & try to revise history even though he did some pretty heinous things as president.


Reagan and Thatcher didn't support divestment in companies doing business in South Africa as a way to combat apartheid. The left seized on this as de facto support for apartheid. Turns out both were wrong.

[KevinNYC]

WOW

Ive never seen anyone getting so much heat after passing away. In Liverpool they are giving free pints in bars, in Scotland and Ireland it looks like they just won the WORLD Cup. Argentina is celebrating too.

Funniest thing is that they wanted to give her a State funeral after all she did.

Fun fact: When she made that poll tax, the police later refused to arrest people cause 1 out of 3 people refused to pay it. A lot of people had it rough cause of her.

Doesn't surprise me. I hadn't thought of this Elvis Costello song in probably 20 years, but it came back to me immediately. They are going to have to guard that grave. As vicious a song as I've ever heard.
Well I hope I don't die too soon
I pray the lord my soul to save
Oh I'll be a good boy, Im trying so hard to behave
Because there's one thing I know, I'd like to live
Long enough to savour
That's when they finally put you in the ground
Ill stand on your grave and tramp the dirt down


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t4-zDem1Sk

[Rasheed1]

Reagan and Thatcher didn't support divestment in companies doing business in South Africa as a way to combat apartheid. The left seized on this as de facto support for apartheid. Turns out both were wrong.

it is support for Apartheid... :confusedshrug:


How do we generally show opposition to countries like Iran or Iraq?

we discourage people from doing any business with them and basically try to cripple them economically..

maybe they paid political lip service to denouncing it (maybe you produce proof of this because I havent seen it), but that doesnt fool anyone except those who want to be fooled..

even though I dont think calling Nelson Mandela a "grubby terrorist" is even giving off the pretense of being against Apartheid..

IMO she was a foul woman who gets idolized for her charisma at the expense of all the ugly things she did... She is alot like Ronald Reagan

[rufuspaul]

it is support for Apartheid... :confusedshrug:


How do we generally show opposition to countries like Iran or Iraq?

we discourage people from doing any business with them and basically try to cripple them economically..

maybe they paid political lip service to denouncing it, but that doesnt fool anyone except those who want to be fooled..

even though I dont think calling Nelson Mandela a "grubby terrorist" is even giving off the pretense of being against Apartheid..

IMO she was a foul woman who gets idolized for her charisma at the expense of all the ugly things she did... She is alot like Ronald Reagan


Oh yeah they were on the wrong side of history on that one. The congress actually overturned Reagan's veto on divestment (no small feat considering it takes a 2/3 majority vote). That angle just didn't jibe with their (Reagan's and Thatcher's) free market beliefs, and if there's one quality they both had it was sticking to their core beliefs no matter what public opinion at the time might be.

[KevinNYC]

Reagan and Thatcher didn't support divestment in companies doing business in South Africa as a way to combat apartheid. The left seized on this as de facto support for apartheid. Turns out both were wrong.

How was it not de facto support for apartheid? Their attempts to shield South Africa from international reproach allowed apartheid to continue for longer than would have occurred if had gotten on the right side.

Also Thatcher and Reagan overtly supported South Africa did they not? Reagan blocked UN sanctions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructive_engagement)against South Africa

[KevinNYC]

Oh yeah they were on the wrong side of history on that one. The congress actually overturned Reagan's veto on divestment (no small feat considering it takes a 2/3 majority vote). That angle just didn't jibe with their (Reagan's and Thatcher's) free market beliefs, and if there's one quality they both had it was sticking to their core beliefs no matter what public opinion at the time might be.

It had nothing to do with the free market. They saw South Africa as anti-communist and as, such, were willing to overlook other crimes.

See Pinochet.
See Mobutu Sese Seko
et al

[rufuspaul]

It had nothing to do with the free market. They saw South Africa as anti-communist and as, such, were willing to overlook other crimes.

See Pinochet.
See Mobutu Sese Seko
et al


Support for free markets would imply also being anti-communist don't you think?

[senelcoolidge]

Well GB has become a lazy, leecher, socialistic, slack nation. Of course they won't like Thatcher.

[rufuspaul]

Well GB has become a lazy, leecher, socialistic, slack nation. Of course they won't like Thatcher.


You notice no one's answered my question as to how she won such lopsided elections. I was certain there'd be posts about how the evil conservatives manipulated the electorate.

[KevinNYC]

Weren't the Labour governments that Thatcher and Reagan hated also anti-communist?

Jimmy Carter who supported majority rule in South Africa wasn't anti-communist?


Support for free markets would imply also being anti-communist don't you think?

Lots of big differences there. The reason I'm anti-communist is not primarily their economic policies, it's their repressive and dictatorial nature and suppression of basic freedoms like speech. My point was that they supported governments who oppressed their people as long as those governments were anti-Soviet. They did care about their opinion on monetary policy. This embrace of dictators weakened the idea that being anti-communist = being pro freedom.

[LJJ]

Promote economic reform and free market and small government >>> Cash out the value created by previous governments by selling off accumulated state property >>> Use this incidental profit to reinforce the "success" of your reforms


Easy, cheap, parasitical way towards short term success.

[rufuspaul]

Weren't the Labour governments that Thatcher and Reagan hated also anti-communist?

Jimmy Carter who supported majority rule in South Africa wasn't anti-communist?



Lots of big differences there. The reason I'm anti-communist is not primarily their economic policies, it's their repressive and dictatorial nature and suppression of basic freedoms like speech. My point was that they supported governments who oppressed their people as long as those governments were anti-Soviet. They did care about their opinion on monetary policy. This embrace of dictators weakened the idea that being anti-communist = being pro freedom.

And how were they different from other administrations in that aspect? In case you forgot there was this thing called the Cold War going on at the time. Not getting annihilated by the Russians took priority. Dealing with the ugly underbellies of countries that could help in that regard was going to have to wait. The same sorts of things go on today (see Pakistan).

And if you think Jimmy Carter and the Labour party were actually on the way to winning the Cold War I've got land in Florida I'd like to sell you.

[rufuspaul]

Easy, cheap, parasitical way towards short term success.

That's a great term to describe British labor unions in the late 70s.

[kentatm]

And if you think Jimmy Carter and the Labour party were actually on the way to winning the Cold War I've got land in Florida I'd like to sell you.

they were but not really through anything they were doing.

the USSR Communist regime was going to come apart at the seems due to many internal issues that the US and UK had zero control over.

Thatcher and Reagan did jack squat to end the Cold War. They just happened to be in power when the USSR was collapsing.

[KevinNYC]

they were but not really through anything they were doing.

the USSR Communist regime was going to come apart at the seems due to many internal issues that the US and UK had zero control over.

Thatcher and Reagan did jack squat to end the Cold War. They just happened to be in power when the USSR was collapsing.

Both Thatcher and Reagan recognized the opportunity that was Gorbachev who, of course, was the most important figure in the end of the Cold War. Don't know about Thatcher's domestic politics, but there many idiots/ideologues in the GOP and second levels of Reagan's cabinet who thought Reagan had gone soft by talking to Gorbachev and were against any negotiations at all. Go back and read the speeches Gingrich was giving at the time and you realize what a missed opportunity the 80's would have been if someone like him was in power. Luckily for us, the top levels of the Reagan cabinet had folks like George Schultz who saw the tremendous promise of Gorbachev. Unfortunately for us, a lot of those second rank Reaganites who thought Reagan "won the cold war" wound up in senior positions in the Bush II cabinet.
:hammerhead:

So I think Jack Squat is overrated. Reagan ignored the nutty wing of his party.

[KevinNYC]

And how were they different from other administrations in that aspect? In case you forgot there was this thing called the Cold War going on at the time. Not getting annihilated by the Russians took priority.

They were different in the exact way I mentioned. Carter supported majority rule in South Africa. Reagan didn't. Reagan helped block sanctions against SA. So Carter was in favor of change in South Africa while still doing cold war stuff like arming the mujaheddin.


Also in what way did South Africa affect us getting annihilated by the Russians? Pro or Con?
Seems a logical leap too far, my friend.

[KevinNYC]

You notice no one's answered my question as to how she won such lopsided elections. I was certain there'd be posts about how the evil conservatives manipulated the electorate.

If I was being glib, I would say some combination of the oil shock of the 1970's, the Sex Pistols, the Falklands war, the cheap oil (Saudi and North Sea) and lower inflation of the of the 1980's.

I could go into each of the above, but the Falklands war is the most obvious. She was deeply unpopular during her first term because unemployment was high and Britain was in a recession in 1981 and 1982. (Similar to the early years of Reagan's first term.) The Falklands War changed that. Her popularity soared after that. The economy picked up in 1983 too. She actually got less votes in 1983 than 1979 I believe, but Labor did even worse because a third party picked up a bunch of votes. Thatcher got 44% of the vote and won handily.

[pinhead]

Well GB has become a lazy, leecher, socialistic, slack nation. Of course they won't like Thatcher.

A lot of that is down to Thatcher, Jackass.

[pinhead]

LOLZ

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/witch-is-dead-set-to-go-to-no-1-on-uk-charts-after-death-of-margaret-thatcher/story-e6frfn09-1226617048476

[PickernRoller]

The blood on her hands just filled my house. There is a lot of info on her that just by googling her name, watching mainstream media or reading history books you simply won't get.

Not a dig on her but then again the truth is the truth - just sealed in a coffin as most of the world wants it to be. I guess ok for sensationalism.

[UK-NJ]

I keep seeing the question posed: 'why did she win elections?'

Probably because the south (largest concentration of people in the country) didn't feel or see the effects of what she was doing first hand. She cut the north adrift & expected everyone to fend for themselves. I would genuinely recommend any of her foreign supporters talk to people who actually lived through her reign & the impact she had on the north of the country. People seem happy to close their eyes to the negative impact she had on the PEOPLE & only prefer to look back in statistics & economics. It's blind.

There's a reason that she's so strongly reviled by half the country. It isn't just people complaining for the sake of it. They lived through it. It just galls me to see Americans talking about the positives of Thatcherism whilst completely disregarding the poverty she placed on the north. If you still feel as strongly in support of her after doing a little research on the people who were hardest hit by her regime then I don't know what to tell you.

[pinhead]

I keep seeing the question posed: 'why did she win elections?'

Probably because the south (largest concentration of people in the country) didn't feel or see the effects of what she was doing first hand. She cut the north adrift & expected everyone to fend for themselves. I would genuinely recommend any of her foreign supporters talk to people who actually lived through her reign & the impact she had on the north of the country. People seem happy to close their eyes to the negative impact she had on the PEOPLE & only prefer to look back in statistics & economics. It's blind.

There's a reason that she's so strongly reviled by half the country. It isn't just people complaining for the sake of it. They lived through it. It just galls me to see Americans talking about the positives of Thatcherism whilst completely disregarding the poverty she placed on the north. If you still feel as strongly in support of her after doing a little research on the people who were hardest hit by her regime then I don't know what to tell you.


What American jackasses know about foreign affairs you can write on the back of a postage stamp

[UK-NJ]

It's not that, though. I can tell Rufus is knowledgable on the subject. It's more the lack of compassion that I don't understand. How can you just disregard the weakest members of society & be happy with the message to just 'get on with it' without any contingency plan for their job losses? There was nothing in place to help any of the people she hurt, nor did she show any interest in those people.

I think this'll be my last post on the subject. I can see that we're from entirely different political backgrounds & that any further discussion on Thatcher would get us nowhere. The bottom line is: she is hated by half the country she ruled over. There is a reason for that. Whether you acknowledge that reason as legitimate is up to you.

[pinhead]

It's not that, though. I can tell Rufus is knowledgable on the subject. It's more the lack of compassion that I don't understand. How can you just disregard the weakest members of society & be happy with the message to just 'get on with it' without any contingency plan for their job losses? There was nothing in place to help any of the people she hurt, nor did she show any interest in those people.

I think this'll be my last post on the subject. I can see that we're from entirely different political backgrounds & that any further discussion on Thatcher would get us nowhere. The bottom line is: she is hated by half the country she ruled over. There is a reason for that. Whether you acknowledge that reason as legitimate is up to you.

Rufus sounds like a right wing jackass

[UK-NJ]

He's got a right wing mentality, yeah, but that doesn't mean he doesn't know his stuff. I can see his information is solid. It's more the way he interprets that information to use as a base for his opinion that I strongly disagree with.

Rufus is a good guy; just from another planet to me politically.

[pinhead]

He's got a right wing mentality, yeah, but that doesn't mean he doesn't know his stuff. I can see his information is solid. It's more the way he interprets that information to use as a base for his opinion that I strongly disagree with.

Rufus is a good guy; just from another planet to me politically.

He gets his information from Fox News and Bill O'Reilly. That is about as solid as Diarrhea.

Maybe somewhere in Rufus' soul there is good but I doubt anyone has found it.

[HarryCallahan]

He gets his information from Fox News and Bill O'Reilly. That is about as solid as Diarrhea.

Maybe somewhere in Rufus' soul there is good but I doubt anyone has found it.

Got any evidence to back that up mate? You keep saying it but that doesn't make it true. You so salty bro.

[KevinNYC]

Wow.
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/ding-dong-the-witch-is-dead-closer-to-number-one-spot-as-it-reaches-midweek-top-ten-following-margaret-thatchers-death-8566042.html


Lady Thatcher’s death could propel The Wizard Of Oz track "Ding Dong! The Witch Is Dead to the top of the charts.

Those who saw her death as a cause for celebration have prompted a download surge for the track.

Within 48 hours of the former Prime Minister’s death, the song has entered the official UK chart at number 10......

....The BBC said it would decide whether to play Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead during Radio 1's top 40 countdown when places are finalised this weekend.

In a statement it said: "The Official Chart Show on Sunday is a historical and factual account of what the British public has been buying and we will make a decision about playing it when the final chart positions are clear."

[GreatGreg]

Got any evidence to back that up mate? You keep saying it but that doesn't make it true. You so salty bro.
He's exactly what his username says he is, a "pinhead".

Which is funny, because that's a classic O'Reilly catchphrase, someone he claims to passionately hate.

[Balla_Status]

A lot of that is down to Thatcher, Jackass.

Not at all. Blaming problems on someone else is an excuse and that's exactly what she was against.

[Balla_Status]

He gets his information from Fox News and Bill O'Reilly. That is about as solid as Diarrhea.

Maybe somewhere in Rufus' soul there is good but I doubt anyone has found it.

Well, he's a dentist. Considering that your english, your teeth probably look like broken pissed on piano keys, maybe he could give you some pointers on how to clean up your teeth.

[LJJ]

Not at all. Blaming problems on someone else is an excuse and that's exactly what she was against.

So why are you making excuses for her then?

[Balla_Status]

It's not that, though. I can tell Rufus is knowledgable on the subject. It's more the lack of compassion that I don't understand. How can you just disregard the weakest members of society & be happy with the message to just 'get on with it' without any contingency plan for their job losses? There was nothing in place to help any of the people she hurt, nor did she show any interest in those people.

I think this'll be my last post on the subject. I can see that we're from entirely different political backgrounds & that any further discussion on Thatcher would get us nowhere. The bottom line is: she is hated by half the country she ruled over. There is a reason for that. Whether you acknowledge that reason as legitimate is up to you.

The government shouldn't be responsible to provide jobs for everybody dude.

[LJJ]

The government shouldn't be responsible to provide jobs for everybody dude.

And yet we see countries that do this, such as Denmark, show a much improved overall quality of life because of such policies.

[Balla_Status]

And yet we see countries that do this, such as Denmark, show a much improved overall quality of life because of such policies.

Yeah but are they actual jobs or just a seat in a chair and they just get paid?

I work for a private company and we just fired a dude because he failed two tests and was incompetent in the field.

Guess who he went to work for? The government. :oldlol:

[Scoooter]

Yeah but are they actual jobs or just a seat in a chair and they just get paid?

I work for a private company and we just fired a dude because he failed two tests and was incompetent in the field.

Guess who he went to work for? The government. :oldlol:
What's an "actual job"?

[rufuspaul]

He gets his information from Fox News and Bill O'Reilly. That is about as solid as Diarrhea.

Maybe somewhere in Rufus' soul there is good but I doubt anyone has found it.


:rolleyes: I know you want to evoke the "angry young man" persona here but you're really just coming across as an ill-mannered idiot.




It's not that, though. I can tell Rufus is knowledgable on the subject. It's more the lack of compassion that I don't understand. How can you just disregard the weakest members of society & be happy with the message to just 'get on with it' without any contingency plan for their job losses? There was nothing in place to help any of the people she hurt, nor did she show any interest in those people.

I think this'll be my last post on the subject. I can see that we're from entirely different political backgrounds & that any further discussion on Thatcher would get us nowhere. The bottom line is: she is hated by half the country she ruled over. There is a reason for that. Whether you acknowledge that reason as legitimate is up to you.

Good post. I have some more understanding of why you and many others feel the way you do.

[pinhead]

Wow.
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/ding-dong-the-witch-is-dead-closer-to-number-one-spot-as-it-reaches-midweek-top-ten-following-margaret-thatchers-death-8566042.html

Trust me, those BBC bitches will not play it. Everybody loves freedom of speech until you use it.

[longhornfan1234]

Kevin, what do you do for a living?

Insurance agent, teacher, bar tender, or server?

It has to be one of those.

[KevinNYC]

Kevin, what do you do for a living?

Insurance agent, teacher, bar tender, or server?

It has to be one of those.

Why would that be?

[longhornfan1234]

Why would that be?

You're a liberal.

[Jailblazers7]

Are the majority of insurance agents really liberals? That's a stereotype I've never heard of.

[KevinNYC]

You're a liberal.

And these are the only jobs held by liberals?
Insurance agent, teacher, bar tender, or server?

Also, you do know I know how to use Google, right?

Insurance: Top Recipients of Political Donations in 2012
Top 20 Recipients

1 Romney, Mitt (R) $4,608,043
2 Obama, Barack (D) $1,696,590
3 Brown, Scott (R-MA) Senate $625,269
4 Perry, Rick (R) $468,124
5 Boehner, John (R-OH) House $467,401
6 Hatch, Orrin G (R-UT) Senate $380,024
7 Cantor, Eric (R-VA) House $361,650
8 Corker, Bob (R-TN) Senate $334,205
9 Gillibrand, Kirsten (D-NY) Senate $334,191
10 Tiberi, Patrick J (R-OH) House $327,850
11 Murphy, Christopher S (D-CT) House $301,525
12 Hensarling, Jeb (R-TX) House $295,897
13 Biggert, Judy (R-IL) House $293,550
14 Camp, Dave (R-MI) House $286,508
15 Boustany, Charles W Jr (R-LA) House $285,550
16 McConnell, Mitch (R-KY) Senate $278,275
17 Nelson, Ben (D-NE) Senate $267,199
18 Heller, Dean (R-NV) Senate $257,655
19 Bachus, Spencer (R-AL) House $251,710
20 Allen, George (R-VA) $245,081

[longhornfan1234]

And these are the only jobs held by liberals?
Insurance agent, teacher, bar tender, or server?

Also, you do know I know how to use Google, right?

Insurance: Top Recipients of Political Donations in 2012
Top 20 Recipients

1 Romney, Mitt (R) $4,608,043
2 Obama, Barack (D) $1,696,590
3 Brown, Scott (R-MA) Senate $625,269
4 Perry, Rick (R) $468,124
5 Boehner, John (R-OH) House $467,401
6 Hatch, Orrin G (R-UT) Senate $380,024
7 Cantor, Eric (R-VA) House $361,650
8 Corker, Bob (R-TN) Senate $334,205
9 Gillibrand, Kirsten (D-NY) Senate $334,191
10 Tiberi, Patrick J (R-OH) House $327,850
11 Murphy, Christopher S (D-CT) House $301,525
12 Hensarling, Jeb (R-TX) House $295,897
13 Biggert, Judy (R-IL) House $293,550
14 Camp, Dave (R-MI) House $286,508
15 Boustany, Charles W Jr (R-LA) House $285,550
16 McConnell, Mitch (R-KY) Senate $278,275
17 Nelson, Ben (D-NE) Senate $267,199
18 Heller, Dean (R-NV) Senate $257,655
19 Bachus, Spencer (R-AL) House $251,710
20 Allen, George (R-VA) $245,081



http://abonica.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/occupations1.jpg

[KevinNYC]

http://abonica.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/occupations1.jpg

Yeah, insurance is not on the liberal part of that chart either.

I have actually worked in several of the industries on the left side of that chart.

Currently, I'm a site-specific textile artist who pays the bills doing Hawaiian Lomi-Lomi massage. I would have to say that I don't think me or my colleagues are overly liberal.

[longhornfan1234]

Yeah, insurance is not on the liberal part of that chart either.

I have actually worked in several of the industries on the left side of that chart.

Currently, I'm a site-specific textile artist who pays the bills doing Hawaiian Lomi-Lomi massage. I would have to say that I don't think me or my colleagues are overly liberal.


I'm not sure if you're serious. Are you blind? :lol

[step_back]

Well, he's a dentist. Considering that your english, your teeth probably look like broken pissed on piano keys, maybe he could give you some pointers on how to clean up your teeth.

Dental work is covered by the NHS up until 19 years old. That negative stereotype comes from the Victorian era when we had a fascination and love for sugar cane.

I'm British and I have some of the best teeth and one of the nicest smiles on ISH.:pimp:

[KevinNYC]

I'm not sure if you're serious. Are you blind? :lol

Please explain your understanding of how to read that chart. I'll give you a clue, motion picture folks and college professors are on the left.


Or you could go to the guy's improved version of that chart to see your mistake

[LJJ]

Yeah, insurance is not on the liberal part of that chart either.


Chart seems pretty obvious to me.

The chart says people working in insurance are the seventh most conservative out of the 30+ occupations listed.

That's his own chart that is supposed to somehow confirm his opinion that insurance workers are among the only jobs held by liberals. But longhorn is an idiot, in other news the Earth is round.

[longhornfan1234]

Please explain your understanding of how to read that chart. I'll give you a clue, motion picture folks and college professors are on the left.


Or you could go to the guy's improved version of that chart to see your mistake

Woah...I feel like an idiot. I blame it on me being at work.

[KevinNYC]

Woah...I feel like an idiot. I blame it on me being at work.
Yeah, that guy came out with an improved version of his chart.

http://abonica.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/industry_rankings2.jpg

Anyhow, I'm up to my neck in textiles and I have 5PM Lomi-lomi appointment coming up.

Got to get back to business.

[rufuspaul]

http://www.buzzfeed.com/perpetua/snls-fake-uk-punk-documentary-is-very-accurate

[Blue&Orange]

Woah...I feel like an idiot. I blame it on me being at work.
You should blame evolution, you were clearly left behind.

[Geohay_UK]

The silly cow f**ked our country IMO.

Northern communities were left devastated, ripped apart and in poverty due to her "Screw the poor, give it to the rich" agenda.

She was definitely the 'Marmite' of politics in the UK. You either loved her or hated her. My parents were involved in the miners strikes, so I was brought up to hate her

[Jack]

As far as I know she was not loved by the middle class. She broke the unions, did not apologize for the events that happened at Hillsborough.