ESPN top 30 rankings

[bluechox2]

drose is at 23 :lol, dont have to play a season and hes still up there

[Quintilianus]

Are they going to keep it remotely sane for the most part and make a fool out of themselves with their top 10 yet again?

[Nash]

What is the point of having him at 23? Either he's out or somewhere in the top 10 where he easily belongs.

[LLK21]

I swear ESPN has some of the worst lists.

[bluechox2]

looks like they just dropped most pple from their pre season ranks down 2 spots to make room for curry and melo

i remember they had melo ranked like 50 to start the season, though that did wonders in fantasy basketball in drafting

[Quintilianus]

Do they have any criteria in deciding who's better or is it just the "experts" like http://www.terezowens.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/multiple-sources.gif that judge players by using their incredible experience and clearly unbiased views?

[Rubio2Gasol]

What is the point of having him at 23? Either he's out or somewhere in the top 10 where he easily belongs.

This.

And I don't think he belongs in the top 10. I think someone who has not played for a long time or will not play for the foreseeable future does not belong on this list at all.

They basically including him so there's no outrage.

[bluechox2]

rondo is just one better than rose :lol

[The Choken One]

Do they have any criteria in deciding who's better or is it just the "experts" like http://www.terezowens.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/multiple-sources.gif that judge players by using their incredible experience and clearly unbiased views?
I'd rather his dumbass rate them than the people on this site who believe they're basketball geniuses.

[nathanjizzle]

:roll:

[Psycho]

:roll:

Why is jizz in your name? Why would I neg you because you're black?

[Streetballer]

Shit will be Crazy if they Rank D-will Over Rondo.....
They have Lopez at #26 and he's the best player on the Nets... No other nets players should be top 20...
...

[bluechox2]

Shit will be Crazy if they Rank D-will Over Rondo.....
They have Lopez at #26 and he's the best player on the Nets... No other nets players should be top 20...
...
he already is...

espns favorite comparison of top pgs is dwill and cp3...they butt worship him

[RoundMoundOfReb]

link?

[Streetballer]

he already is...

espns favorite comparison of top pgs is dwill and cp3...they butt worship him

he shouldn't be tho....

I can name 8 over PG's that are better than D-will at this point in the season and this is what these ranking are Based on!!!

Even Lawson is a Better PG than D-will right now

[BrickingStar]

looks like they just dropped most pple from their pre season ranks down 2 spots to make room for curry and melo

i remember they had melo ranked like 50 to start the season, though that did wonders in fantasy basketball in drafting
lol no stop exaggerating melo was in the top 20 http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8419506/2012-nba-player-rankings-16-20 17 to be exact.

[Haks]

Lmao they put melo at 9

[bluechox2]

wtf harden ranked better than melo...haters

[RoundMoundOfReb]

wtf harden ranked better than melo...haters
He's better. I agree 9 is a bit low for melo though.

Imo:

LBJ
KD
CP3
DWade
Harden
Melo
TD
Kobe

[RedBlackAttack]

I think Kyrie is a little high at 12. Prior to his latest injury and his sitting out a couple weeks, he was maybe playing at that level on a night-in, night-out basis, but I have a hard time having him that high this early in his career when he's still figuring out how to win and how to lead a team.

I'd say the 15-20 range would be a little more appropriate at this stage of his career.

[Patrick Chewing]

Harden at 8 is a joke. He's unproven. His numbers do not reflect Melo's and his level of talent is nowhere close.



It's a shame we have to go to ESPN to get our news and accept their opinions.

[bluechox2]

melo has been better than dwade and cp3, yet they get their ***** sucked by espn

[kenny817]

Lol you people still watch ESPN and care what they have to say? Lol

[The Playmaker]

paul george should be above carmelo anthony.

[-p.tiddy-]

someone want to post the actual list? thx

[jcsrplumply]

Link plox.

[chips93]

It's a shame we have to go to ESPN to get our news and accept their opinions.

we do?

[KG215]

Harden at 8 is a joke. His numbers do not reflect Melo's and his level of talent is nowhere close.

They don't and he isn't? Really?

I think Carmelo should be higher than Harden, but to say his numbers don't reflect Melo's (whatever that means) and his talent level is nowhere close is just wrong.

[La Frescobaldi]

he shouldn't be tho....

I can name 8 over PG's that are better than D-will at this point in the season and this is what these ranking are Based on!!!

Even Lawson is a Better PG than D-will right now

Why do you say "Even Lawson" like he hasn't been torching all kinds of teams?

[elementally morale]

someone want to post the actual list? thx

They don't have the full list out yet. They are discussing #6 atm. Here are the rankings so far:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9139597/nba-player-rankings-no-7-tony-parker

[-p.tiddy-]

They don't have the full list out yet. They are discussing #6 atm. Here are the rankings so far:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9139597/nba-player-rankings-no-7-tony-parker
thank you sir

Dirk too low, but he was injured so whatever

remaining will be:

1. James
2. Durant
3. Wade
4. Kobe
5. Paul
6. Westy

[Graviton]

It'spretty obvious rest gonna be

6) Westvrook
5) Wade
4) Kobe
3) CP3
2) Durant
1) Lebron

[elementally morale]

thank you sir

Dirk too low, but he was injured so whatever

remaining will be:

1. James
2. Durant
3. Wade
4. Kobe
5. Paul
6. Westy

I think they'll have:

1. James
2. Durant
3. Kobe
4. Paul
5. Wade
6. Westbrook

[KG215]

And for the people too lazy to click on the link...

1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7. Tony Parker
8. James Harden
9. Carmelo Anthony
10. Tim Duncan
11. Dwight Howard
12. Kyrie Irving
13. Blake Griffin
14. Marc Gasol
15. Dirk Nowtizki
16. Steph Curry
17. Deron Williams
18. Chris Bosh
19. Joakim Noah
20. Al Horford
21. John Wall
22. Rajon Rondo
23. Derrick Rose
24. Tyson Chandler
25. LaMarcus Aldridge
26. Brook Lopez
27. Kevin Love
28. Paul George
29. Zach Randolph
30. Paul Pierce

[Graviton]

3 different lists, lets see who wins. :oldlol:

I know they do these based on rep, but Kobe/Paul have dropped off since All-Star break, I would put Westbrook, Wade, Duncan in Top 5.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

My prediction:

1. James
2. Durant
3. Paul
4. Bryant
5. Wade
6. Westbrook

[Graviton]

My prediction:

1. James
2. Durant
3. Paul
4. Bryant
5. Wade
6. Westbrook
Ninja coulda just quoted me, stop plagiarizing. :cheers:

[arifgokcen]

My prediction:

1. James
2. Durant
3. Paul
4. Bryant
5. Wade
6. Westbrook
+1

I dont agree with a lot of names though.

[elementally morale]

After #2 is out, how long do you think they will discuss #1?

[Rekindled]

kyrie irving at 12 is a joke. dude has never won more than 30 games.

put any of Marc Gasol, Joakim Noah, Tyson Chandler, Dwill, Rondo,Horford etc on a team. that team win more than 30

[LongLiveTheKing]

Wade is 6!

#NBArank 6: Dwyane Wade (@DwyaneWade). http://es.pn/10RVNyh

[Sarcastic]

This whole thing is a joke. ESPN is a joke.

[KG215]

Wade at #6. Not sure I can agree with having him behind Westbrook. Wade's been at least just as good as Westbrook most of the season (if not better) and the Heat have the best record in the league.

[Young X]

Wade > Westbrook

[KG215]

While I disagree with Melo at #9 and behind Harden, I'm getting a kick out of how much it's pissing off Knicks fans.

[Graviton]

DAAAMN ESPN moved Westbrook, into Top 5? They were/are his biggest haters. Guess they are not nearly as blind and bashful as I thought.

But cmon when you take all around game, defense and team record into account, Paul and Kobe have no case over Wade. One guy missed 12 games on top of getting torched by every elite PG he faced and losing to every playoff rival past few months. The other is fighting for an 8th seed with that roster while giving 0 effort defensively.

But I guess their reputation is worth more than actual performance and wins, watch Kobe and Paul get 1st team All NBA and All defense again. :oldlol:

[Sarcastic]

While I disagree with Melo at #9 and behind Harden, I'm getting a kick out of how much it's pissing off Knicks fans.


It was expected. They had him at 17 in the preseason. It's widely known ESPN is biased against NY teams.

[Legends66NBA7]

Anthony and Duncan, should be higher IMO.


Wade at #6. Not sure I can agree with having him behind Westbrook. Wade's been at least just as good as Westbrook most of the season (if not better) and the Heat have the best record in the league.

I'd say Westbrook has been better than Wade for the last 2 seasons now.

[-p.tiddy-]

3 different lists, lets see who wins. :oldlol:

none...Wade at #6

[-p.tiddy-]

thank you sir

Dirk too low, but he was injured so whatever

remaining will be:

1. James
2. Durant
3. Wade
4. Kobe
5. Paul
6. Westy


okay, take 2



1. James
2. Durant
3. Kobe
4. Paul
5. Westy

[Graviton]

okay, take 2



1. James
2. Durant
3. Kobe
4. Paul
5. Westy
Nope gonna be...

Lebron
Durant
Paul
Kobe
Westbrook

ESPN jizzes over Paul more than Kobe, they are still stuck in 2008.

[Legends66NBA7]

Nope gonna be...

Lebron
Durant
Paul
Kobe
Westbrook

ESPN jizzes over Paul more than Kobe, they are still stuck in 2008.

I expect this too.

Watch Westbrook actually be #2, instead. :lol

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Nope gonna be...

Lebron
Durant
Paul
Kobe
Westbrook

ESPN jizzes over Paul more than Kobe, they are still stuck in 2008.
this..

[elementally morale]

okay, take 2



1. James
2. Durant
3. Kobe
4. Paul
5. Westy


Let's try something different. ESPN wants to be original and tell us how wrong they were, so they will go:

1. James
2. Kobe
3. Durant
4. Westbrook
5. Paul

They can push the Durant vs. Westbrook agenda (whose team is OKC) and the Kobe is back (he has never been away) agenda this way.

[Graviton]

Let's try something different. ESPN wants to be original and tell us how wrong they were, so they will go:

1. James
2. Kobe
3. Durant
4. Westbrook
5. Paul

They can push the Durant vs. Westbrook agenda (whose team is OKC) and the Kobe is back (he has never been away) agenda this way.
I love Westbrook but whoever puts him above Paul is crazy. And Kobe above Paul, Durant, Westbrook when he is fighting for 8th seed is beyond insane.

[IGotACoolStory]

5) Kobe
4) Paul
3) Durant
2) LeBron
1) Westbrook

Is the obvious answer.

[elementally morale]

I love Westbrook but whoever puts him above Paul is crazy. And Kobe above Paul, Durant, Westbrook when he is fighting for 8th seed is beyond insane.

Hey, it's not my opinion. It's just a scenario I can see happening. It's great for pushing agendas and selling some advertising time later on discussing 'the validity' of their own opinions, with so-called experts taking sides, etc.

[Graviton]

Hey, it's not my opinion. It's just a scenario I can see happening. It's great for pushing agendas and selling some advertising time later on discussing 'the validity' of their own opinions, with so-called experts taking sides, etc.
Not even ESPN is that crazy, but then again if the Kobestan army on this forum is any indication, Kobe at #2 wouldn't be crazy to the majority aka casual fans.

[-p.tiddy-]

casuals would probably have Kobe over Durant

hope ESPN doesn't do that...

[imdaman99]

5) Kobe
4) Paul
3) Durant
2) LeBron
1) Westbrook

Is the obvious answer.
This.

I will eat my shoe if it aint :pimp:

[elementally morale]

Not even ESPN is that crazy, but then again if the Kobestan army on this forum is any indication, Kobe at #2 wouldn't be crazy to the majority aka casual fans.

To the casual fans Kobe was a top 3 player of all time two or three years ago in an ESPN poll. No, really. After ring #5 they ran this poll and Kobe was behind Jordan and Magic. I think he would be down at #5 on that list now if the poll was to be taken tomorrow, but I actually think the casual fan has LeBron as #1 and Kobe as #2 in the NBA today.

[EnoughSaid]

CP3 has gotten really overrated in my opinion.

1) LeBron
2) Durant
3) Kobe
4) Wade
5) Melo
6) Paul
7) Westbrook

[Odinn]

Another horrible job by ESPN.

[LongLiveTheKing]

Next 5 are going to be revealed on NBA Coast to Coast on ESPN2.
It starts at 7! Almost time.

[Graviton]

They did an ok job, outside Kobe in Top 5 and Parker further than Duncan, and Melo behind Harden/Kobe/Parker.

[elementally morale]

They did an ok job, outside Kobe in Top 5 and Parker further than Duncan, and Melo behind Harden/Kobe/Parker.

Everyone is going to judge ESPN on their own opinions. That doesn't make much sense after one has seen enough such lists. It's far more interesting to me to think about whether the list is a 'good one' for the general audiance or a good one for ESPN itself.

A list is good for the general audience if the end result reflects a hypothetical poll taken by 'everyone' who reads the lists. A list is good for ESPN if it creates controversy among the fanbase, because controversy sells. But how much controversy? By no means huge, because they have to remain 'experts' in the eyes of the general public.

A think ESPN does a good job if at the end of the day we say: well, this is an OK list, I'd give it 8 points on a scale of 10. That's a lot better than 9 or 10. A messge board is no message board if everyone agrees. The same is trus for such lists.

Generally accepted facts are not much fun to have a discussion of.

[-p.tiddy-]

yep

if every poster here did a top-30 list, not too many of them would be the exact same

for them to make a list that even 50% of people here agree with is mathematically impossible

it can only create controversy, no matter how the list reads

[Legends66NBA7]

yep

if every poster here did a top-30 list, not too many of them would be the exact same

for them to make a list that even 50% of people here agree with is mathematically impossible

it can only create controversy, no matter how the list reads

Well said.

It's whatever to me at this point.

[The Playmaker]

My top 5 would be

1. lebron
2. wade
3. durant
4. harden
5. paul

[WayOfWade]

Can't be mad with Wade at @ #6. Would be higher if he had a bigger role, but still a solid placing. I personally think he should be top 5, but Kobe's been on a tear all season despite the mediocrity of his teammates, 'Bron and Durant are absolute monsters, along with CP3 just owning. The last one Westbrook I feel should be switched with Wade, however Westbrook has been great this year, averaging what, 23ppg and 8asts? The dude's a stud either way.

[LongLiveTheKing]

Westbrook is number 5

[LongLiveTheKing]

Kobe is 4!

[Anaximandro1]

1 LeBron
2 Durant
3 Paul
4 Kobe
5 Westbrook
6 Wade
7 Parker
8 Harden
9 Carmelo
10 Duncan


11-15
(http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9139736/#nbarank-player-ratings-11-15)
11 Howard
12 Irving
13 Griffin
14 M Gasol
15 Dirk

16-20
(http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9144675/#nbarank-player-ratings-16-20)
16 Curry
17 Deron
18 Bosh
19 Noah
20 Horford

21-25
(http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9144911/#nbarank-player-ratings-21-25)
21 Wall
22 Rondo
23 Rose
24 Chandler
25 LaMarcus

26-30
(http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9145033/#nbarank-player-ratings-26-30)
26 B Lopez
27 Love
28 P George
29 Randolph
30 Pierce

[LongLiveTheKing]

#NBArank 5: Russell Westbrook (@russwest44). http://es.pn/10HCqbd

#NBArank 4: Kobe Bryant (@kobebryant). http://es.pn/10HEQqw
From twitter

[Psycho]

lol ESPN. :no:

That channel is for children. Try growing up and being mature like me.

[joeysms55]

Wade should be over Westbrook!

[LongLiveTheKing]

3. CP3
2. KD
1. Lebron

[DMAVS41]

Legler just used "defense" as one of the reasons Kobe should be ahead of Paul....ROFL

[-p.tiddy-]

Nope gonna be...

Lebron
Durant
Paul
Kobe
Westbrook

ESPN jizzes over Paul more than Kobe, they are still stuck in 2008.
you were correct

[SamuraiSWISH]

1) LeBron

And then literally, for me ... no distinction between Kobe, Paul, Wade, Westbrook, Harden and Durant.

Given knowledge, experiece, and potential ability, I'd still go with Kobe at number 2. Especially when he's playing the RIGHT caliber of ball he knows how to play, yet chooses to ignore at times.

[entropy35]

IMO Westbrook and wade should be above Kobe.

[Graviton]

Nope gonna be...

Lebron
Durant
Paul
Kobe
Westbrook

ESPN jizzes over Paul more than Kobe, they are still stuck in 2008.
Told yall ninjas.

[Graviton]

1) LeBron

And then literally, for me ... no distinction between Kobe, Paul, Wade, Westbrook, Harden and Durant.

Given knowledge, experiece, and potential ability, I'd still go with Kobe at number 2. Especially when he's playing the RIGHT caliber of ball he knows how to play, yet chooses to ignore at times.
You serious? Kobe has been a ghost defensively and very one-dimensional. Taking into account current play he has no case.

It's so ironic how you can put Kobe #2 on his potential ability, yet ignore the same potential ability of Westbrook, when Kobe plays even more retarded than Westbrook more times. The double standard is just hilarious.

This year Kobe has no case over Durant, Wade, Paul, Westbrook, Melo, Duncan as far as impact, team record, all-around game and current play is involved.

Leading that stacked team to 8th seed gets him #2? :oldlol:

[alec613]

at least this list is better than the previous one.

Drose (projected to miss the entire season) and DWill (souless) in top 10 was a joke

[bluechox2]

melo deserved to be higher

[DMAVS41]

1) LeBron

And then literally, for me ... no distinction between Kobe, Paul, Wade, Westbrook, Harden and Durant.

Given knowledge, experiece, and potential ability, I'd still go with Kobe at number 2. Especially when he's playing the RIGHT caliber of ball he knows how to play, yet chooses to ignore at times.

Durant is becoming severely under-rated if people think Kobe has been as good as him this year.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Durant is becoming severely under-rated if people think Kobe has been as good as him this year.
Psh

ISH's more knowledgeable fan base is counter acting the asinine hype train from the mainstream media.

No ESPN or NBA tv or sport show is going to comment on the ridiculous soft calls this guy gets that pad his numbers by getting to the free throw line ALL THE TIME for no reason.

Why would they sabotage their own business, money, and income? These sports shows, media talking heads get the most by overrating him.

If anything, Durant has become overrated. The comparisons to LeBron are absurd. I'm not even confident he's on the level he should be on ... Westbrook is arguably more important to the team. I think both the OKC guys are overrated.

[Graviton]

Psh

ISH's more knowledgeable fan base is counter acting the asinine hype train from the mainstream media.

No ESPN or NBA tv or sport show is going to comment on the ridiculous soft calls this guy gets that pad his numbers by getting to the free throw line ALL THE TIME for no reason.

Why would they sabotage their own business, money, and income? These sports shows, media talking heads get the most by overrating him.

If anything, Durant has become overrated. The comparisons to LeBron are absurd. I'm not even confident he's on the level he should be on ... Westbrook is arguably more important to the team. I think both the OKC guys are overrated.
They are not overrated, their coach is. Along with some really shitty role players that shouldn't be in the NBA.

Jesus christ give Pop Westbrook and Durant and under his guidance they would be a dynasty. Brooks has no plan, just ISO all day, he makes same old cliche speeches during timeouts while playing Fisher/Perkins out there.

[iDunk]

1. LeBron
2. Durant
3. CP3
4. Melo
5. Kobe

[SamuraiSWISH]

They are not overrated, their coach is. Along with some really shitty role players that shouldn't be in the NBA.
LMAO OKC has amazing role players. Stop it. They perfectly compliment Durant and Westbrook. They are just flat out solid top to bottom. Ibaka, Collison, Martin, and Sefalosha. That team is extremely well built at each position. They have everything you need. Defense, shot blocking, rebounding, shooters, and scoring.

It's hard to coach a team and run an offense with a bad decision maker, and basketball meat head running the team who is un-coachable and runs full speed down the court like a retard and pulls jumpers out of his ass.

Their coach isn't anything special, but Del Negro is worse, and Chris Paul is smart enough to basically be the best floor general / coach on the floor in the game for them.

Trade Paul for Westbrook, and they become MUCH more frightening. A legit team who could compete or beat Miami.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Westbrook and Bryant over Wade is stupid.

[Graviton]

@Money

LOL...now I know you don't watch or follow OKC.

Ibaka is nothing special offensively or defensively, outside weak side blocks. He jumps on every pumpfake, doesn't box out, suck at man to man D anc gets owned by any big. Thabo is a defensive role player with nothing else, poor man's Jimmy Butler. Martin is a horrible defender and inconsistent scorer that has been disappearing every other game. Collison is the only real good player. But OKC has Fisher/Perkins out there getting 15+ minutes. :oldlol:

When you compare their "help" to Miami, Clippers, healthy Denver/Knicks, Grizzlies they are pretty average.

And btw Brooks is the one asking Westbrook to be more aggressive and score, if you think what Westbrook does is against the coache's wishes than you are just delusional.