Wait! Why CAN'T New York Beat Miami?

[Foster5k]

If we be honest, this New York Knicks team is basically the 2011 Mavericks with better defenders and better playmakers.

Melo > Dirk
Iman Shumpert > Shawn Marion
Kenyon Martin > Deshawn Stevenson
J.R. Smith > Jason Terry
Novak > Any 3 point shooter Mavs had
Jason Kidd = Jason Kidd
Tyson Chandler = Tyson Chandler
Felton = J.J. Barea

So, again. Why CAN'T the New York Knicks beat Miami Heat? This team is better than people are giving credit. This Knicks team CAN win a championshp. They CAN beat ANYONE in a 7 game series.

I like Miami. I know they are the defending champions. However, this New York Knicks team is scary. Basically the 2011 Championship Dallas Mavericks with over-all better playmakers and defenders.

Heat WATCH OUT! Not to mention Wade might not be fully healthy.

[Cone]

dirk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> melo

lol at shumpert better than marion

[LikeABosh]

Implying this is the same Miami team from 2 years ago. What a stupid ****ing comparison

[Patrick Chewing]

Don't agree with you on Shumpert. Shumpert's knee injury prohibits him from being that good. I think the dude is still timid out there not wanting to do too much. Jason Kidd is older and Chandler is banged up, but I think the difference maker is Melo.


All New York has to do is steal one in Miami which they can. If any team has a better chance of winning in Miami, it's New York, their home away from home.

[ThatsGame]

Because the Heat are a better team?

You think the Heat are good now? 60 wins, 27-game streak.

Wait until the playoffs. That "switch" gon be flipped all game.

[jimmy77x]

Knicks have been playing very well lately and they match up with miami, but they have a long way to go before thinking about Miami. Let them continue to do the talking on the court and we'll see what happens. Bet this thread will turn into a knicks trolls paradise. Just another thread for the haters to sound off.

[arifgokcen]

If we see lebron choke again like in 2011 why not.But i dont think he is gonna

[Ancient Legend]

The Heat have another gear or two, the Knicks don't.

And the Knicks are outcoached as well. It's basically Spo+Riley vs Woodson.

[HEAT111]

As a basketball fan and Heat fan. I wouldn't underestimate the Knicks but I like the Heat's chances.

[EnoughSaid]

Where have I seen this before? Hmm...

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=261087

[mjokc]

Slow down there cowboy, let them win a playoff series first.

[retaxis]

Miami vs 2011 Mavericks = Miami in 5

[BuffaloBill]

Kidd >>>>>> Kidd



C'mon OP what game are you watching out there?

[LLK21]

The knicks honestly do have a chance to beat the Heat.
Its more about the way they play.

[imdaman99]

because the media and refs have already crowned the heat champions :bowdown:

i expect many more ref handshakes with heat coaches during the game.

[2010splash]

Spit out my drink laughing. I seriously can't stop laughing right now. The 2011 Mavs are the exception to the rule that loaded star-studded superteams being led by once in a life time legends will lose to a team with a single star. Only reason the Mavs won was because LeBron decided not to show up.

Last year LeBron goes god mode with an injured Wade and Bosh and wins a title. If LeBron was even half as good as he was last year in 2011 against the Mavs, the Heat sweep the title 4-0.

The Knicks have ZERO chance. Heat in 5 again.

[alwaysunny]

Mavs had Dirk playing like god whereas LeBron at the same was typical choker who always came up short in clutch moments. Mavs at their best barely beat the Heat at their worst, and frankly, I don't see 2011 Mavs beating 2012 Heat.

Now the Knicks right now are very good, but I don't think they're better than the championship Mavs. I supposed they match up equally as well though. They did easily win the first 2 games which I thought would never happen, but I say their last game is more realistic on how it would play out in the playoffs.

[EnoughSaid]

Absolutely everything has to go right for the Knicks, while everything has to go wrong for the Heat. Melo, JR, Kidd, Felton all have to be on point and hit constant 3's and have their way inside. Chandler has to play at a DPOY level and dominate the paint. And Wade, LeBron and Bosh have to somehow lose their chemistry and play like shit. Oh and Miami's role players would have to lay an egg too.

Sooo yeah. That's what needs to happen for New York to win. And don't forget they'll need to win 2 playoff series' before getting a shot at Miami.

[sipitri]

If we be honest, this New York Knicks team is basically the 2011 Mavericks with better defenders and better playmakers.

Melo > Dirk
Iman Shumpert > Shawn Marion
Kenyon Martin > Deshawn Stevenson
J.R. Smith > Jason Terry
Novak > Any 3 point shooter Mavs had
Jason Kidd = Jason Kidd
Tyson Chandler = Tyson Chandler
Felton = J.J. Barea

So, again. Why CAN'T the New York Knicks beat Miami Heat? This team is better than people are giving credit. This Knicks team CAN win a championshp. They CAN beat ANYONE in a 7 game series.

I like Miami. I know they are the defending champions. However, this New York Knicks team is scary. Basically the 2011 Championship Dallas Mavericks with over-all better playmakers and defenders.

Heat WATCH OUT! Not to mention Wade might not be fully healthy.

O_o

Melo, the man with the worst playoff winning percentage of all time, is better than Dirk?
Did you watch Marion during that epic run?
Kidd has declined a lot, Miami improved dramatically.
What the **** are you talking about?

[TylerOO]

LeBron is a completely different player/man. He won't let it happen

[TheReal Kendall]

Yeah... I don't like the Heat but I don't see any team that can beat them if the Heat play to their potential. The 2011 Mavs can't beat the 2013 Heat. The heat are too stacked this year. I believe when the Mavs won that it was rigged. I lost money off that series too. But the Knicks I really feel like they rely too much on 3s and jumpers. Like Chuck say "you live by the 3 you die by it"

[illogik]

It will be a grand series but Knicks will ultimately fall short yet again. Hide all the fire extinguishers!

[Trentknicks]

Yeah... I don't like the Heat but I don't see any team that can beat them if the Heat play to their potential. The 2011 Mavs can't beat the 2013 Heat. The heat are too stacked this year. 1. I believe when the Mavs won that it was rigged. 2. I lost money off that series too. But the Knicks I really feel like they rely too much on 3s and jumpers. Like Chuck say "you live by the 3 you die by it"
2 explains 1.

Things also said by Charles Barkley:
- Nets are better than Knicks

[Bigsmoke]

Kidd right now is as good as kidd in 2011? :biggums:


I dont think the Knicks can score enough points.

LeBron does a nice job defending Melo but what about the other way around?

Wade will go off too.

[Bandito]

If Lebron choke yet again then yes. Let's be honest OP, the only reason Mavs won was due to Lebron's epic choke.

[chips93]

all due respect to the mavs, they won the title, you cant ever take that away from them, and they were worthy champions.

having said that, they are one of the worst champions in recent memory. everything broke perfectly for them, they got super hot from 3, dirk played the best ball of his life, the heat werent the cohesive team they are now, and lebron choked pretty bad in the finals.

i think the knicks best case scenario would be a poor mans 2011 mavs. the mavs were much better defensively (8th vs 17th), and much smarter offensively, plus id trust dirk much more than melo to make the smart plays when it matters.

so imo, the knicks best case scenario, is to be a poor mans version, of the worst champion in recent memory.

just to re-iterate, ive got plenty of respect for the mavs, really smart team, but they are really a team you should try and emulate.

[Peteballa]

Melo = Dirk
Iman Shumpert < Shawn Marion
Kenyon Martin = Deshawn Stevenson (Stevenson hit very key shots time and time again)
J.R. Smith < Jason Terry (JET played out of his mind. He was amazing.)
Novak > Any 3 point shooter Mavs had (they had JET, Kidd, Dirk, Stevenson... They didn't need a stand-still-do-nothing three point specialist. Honestly, Brian Cardinal had a big impact that is more than what Novak could do.)
Jason Kidd < Jason Kidd (Younger)
Tyson Chandler = Tyson Chandler
Felton = J.J. Barea

Not to mention this Heat team is entirely different than they were in 2011. Way better chemistry, way better role players, way better mentality. They are just way better.

Fixed

[alexd]

because mavs 11 had very good defence with marion and chandler and kidd at some points.u can say all you want that lebron chocked but give some respect to the defence.they completely took him out of his game.I don t think ny will do that cause who s gonna guard lebron?melo?nuh
plus miami has 1 more year to gel and they got r. allen
melo will get his 25-30 but on bad shooting cause of good defence by lebron and battier

btw 1st post :D

[WayOfWade]

The Knicks did beat the Heat 3-1 this year, even though one win was against the Heat's JV team, but the one loss came when they were up 17. I still believe the Heat are the better team though, and in the playoffs, they'll be insanely good. I'll be way excited though if it's Heat vs. Knicks Conference Final.

[alwaysunny]

2 explains 1.

Things also said by Charles Barkley:
- Nets are better than Knicks

lol Knicks fans :facepalm insecure like always

[Suguru101]

If we be honest, this New York Knicks team is basically the 2011 Mavericks with better defenders and better playmakers.

Melo > Dirk
Iman Shumpert > Shawn Marion
Kenyon Martin > Deshawn Stevenson
J.R. Smith > Jason Terry
Novak > Any 3 point shooter Mavs had
Jason Kidd = Jason Kidd
Tyson Chandler = Tyson Chandler
Felton = J.J. Barea

So, again. Why CAN'T the New York Knicks beat Miami Heat? This team is better than people are giving credit. This Knicks team CAN win a championshp. They CAN beat ANYONE in a 7 game series.

I like Miami. I know they are the defending champions. However, this New York Knicks team is scary. Basically the 2011 Championship Dallas Mavericks with over-all better playmakers and defenders.

Heat WATCH OUT! Not to mention Wade might not be fully healthy.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :oldlol:

What is Melo better at than 2011 playoffs Dirk?

[FiveRings]

Heat in five.

Take Wade AND Ray Allen off the Heat and they still beat the Knicks. Take Lebron off the Heat and Wade, Bosh, and Allen are still beating the Knicks. The Heat are beyond stacked right now, and their second best player is better than the Knicks best player in my opinion (It may not appear that way to many, but give Wade the chance to be the man on a team again and he's still better than Melo).

[Patrick Chewing]

Heat in five.

Take Wade AND Ray Allen off the Heat and they still beat the Knicks. Take Lebron off the Heat and Wade, Bosh, and Allen are still beating the Knicks. The Heat are beyond stacked right now, and their second best player is better than the Knicks best player in my opinion (It may not appear that way to many, but give Wade the chance to be the man on a team again and he's still better than Melo).

:facepalm

[SilkkTheShocker]

This Heat team would handle the 2011 Mavericks. And last time I check the Knicks don't have Dirk

[Lateralus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt70zYHDEeI

Miami ain't about that life starting at around 11:00


:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[DirkNowitzki41]

Did you just say Melo > Dirk?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[nathanjizzle]

because 2013 lebron> 2011 lebron

[Mr. Jabbar]

because 2013 lebron> 2011 lebron

whats dis 2011 lebron you speak about? never seen such a thing, is there footage or tangible evidence a player named lebron played in 2011?

[FiveRings]

:facepalm
Wade used to be ranked by most as a top three player with Bron and Kobe. Melo has never been a top three player in the league. Top ten, sure, and maybe top five this year.

Melo's numbers are better right now but it's not fair to say that makes him better because he doesn't have to play behind Bron. Put Wade on the Knicks in place of Melo and he does just as well, if not better. He's proven himself as a FMVP and former top three player in the league.

[I<3NBA]

because this Miami team is the same team as 2011 Miami :facepalm

that team featured Joel Anthony and Mike Bibby getting heavy minutes, with an injured Mike Miller and the next good big man in the rotation as Juwan Howard. sure, a Heat team now with Ray Allen, Birdman, Rashard Lewis, and an infinitely younger and better PG than Bibby in Cole is the same team as 2011 Miami. :lol

[thabisyo]

If we be honest, this New York Knicks team is basically the 2011 Mavericks with better defenders and better playmakers.

Melo > Dirk
Iman Shumpert > Shawn Marion
Kenyon Martin > Deshawn Stevenson
J.R. Smith > Jason Terry
Novak > Any 3 point shooter Mavs had
Jason Kidd = Jason Kidd
Tyson Chandler = Tyson Chandler
Felton = J.J. Barea

So, again. Why CAN'T the New York Knicks beat Miami Heat? This team is better than people are giving credit. This Knicks team CAN win a championshp. They CAN beat ANYONE in a 7 game series.

I like Miami. I know they are the defending champions. However, this New York Knicks team is scary. Basically the 2011 Championship Dallas Mavericks with over-all better playmakers and defenders.

Heat WATCH OUT! Not to mention Wade might not be fully healthy.



:coleman:

[tazb]

Where have I seen this before? Hmm...

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=261087

From that thread


Do the 2012 Knicks remind anyone of the 2011 Mavericks, the team who had the exact recipe to beat the Heat?

Underdog status? Check
Deadly Go to Scorer with Clutch gene? Check (Melo/Dirk)
Defensive C to protect the paint? Check (Chandler/Chandler)
A veteran PG? Check (Davis/Kidd)
A small PG that can penetrate at will against the Heat D? Check (Douglas,Barea)
Two/three defensive stoppers that can guard Lebron/Wade? Check (Shumpert, Fields and Jeffries/Marion, Stevenson, Kidd)
A crazy goon that can hit 3s off the bench, and particularly in the clutch to ignite the crowd? Check (JR Smith, Terry)
The old guy who comes in to hit 3's and Lebron for some reason can't dribble by? Check (Mike Bibby/Brian Cardinal)

Then you add Amare, Novak, and possibly Lin to that squad, and it's pretty easy to see that the Knicks have a legitimate shot at upsetting the Heat.

People need to know, the Knicks are a lot better than their current record indicates. They're a completely different team once Woodson took over. If I'm a Miami Heat fan, I don't want the NY Knicks in the 1st round. Based on what happened last year in the finals, I'd be terrified. Thoughts?
:roll: :roll:

[JoHnNyBoXeR]

The knicks honestly do have a chance to beat the Heat.
Its more about the way they play.
Knicks win

[Dagouch]

The Knicks have proven they can beat the Heat. However in a playoff series the pressure and the adjustments from game to game will be Key.

Alot has to go right for the Knicks and some stuff will have to go wrong with the Heat. Not going to Lie but the Knicks will have an uphill battle. But that's why they play the game. Anything can happen in a given series.

However I'll still be Rooting for the Knicks. Against the odds.

[dannysc305]

LOL Knicks :facepalm

What a joke:roll: :lol :lol :roll:

[DMAVS41]

If we be honest, this New York Knicks team is basically the 2011 Mavericks with better defenders and better playmakers.

Melo > Dirk
Iman Shumpert > Shawn Marion
Kenyon Martin > Deshawn Stevenson
J.R. Smith > Jason Terry
Novak > Any 3 point shooter Mavs had
Jason Kidd = Jason Kidd
Tyson Chandler = Tyson Chandler
Felton = J.J. Barea

So, again. Why CAN'T the New York Knicks beat Miami Heat? This team is better than people are giving credit. This Knicks team CAN win a championshp. They CAN beat ANYONE in a 7 game series.

I like Miami. I know they are the defending champions. However, this New York Knicks team is scary. Basically the 2011 Championship Dallas Mavericks with over-all better playmakers and defenders.

Heat WATCH OUT! Not to mention Wade might not be fully healthy.

The supporting casts are very similar, but Melo has some big shoes to fill.

Dirk put up 28/8/3 on 49/46/94 splits.

Melo's career playoff averages? 25/7/3 on 42/33/82 splits.

Melo last two years in playoffs? Something around 27/9/3 on 40/27/80.

You have to produce in the playoffs. Shooting as poorly as Melo has throughout his career and the last 2 years in the playoffs makes it impossible for him to lead a team to the title. He has to play a lot better. I don't think he has it in him personally.

[schism206]

If we be honest, this New York Knicks team is basically the 2011 Mavericks with better defenders and better playmakers.

Melo > Dirk
Iman Shumpert > Shawn Marion
Kenyon Martin > Deshawn Stevenson
J.R. Smith > Jason Terry
Novak > Any 3 point shooter Mavs had
Jason Kidd = Jason Kidd
Tyson Chandler = Tyson Chandler
Felton = J.J. Barea

So, again. Why CAN'T the New York Knicks beat Miami Heat? This team is better than people are giving credit. This Knicks team CAN win a championshp. They CAN beat ANYONE in a 7 game series.

I like Miami. I know they are the defending champions. However, this New York Knicks team is scary. Basically the 2011 Championship Dallas Mavericks with over-all better playmakers and defenders.

Heat WATCH OUT! Not to mention Wade might not be fully healthy.

Um... Dirk was out of his mind that whole playoff run, I doubt Melo has that in him. Dirk was playing extremely focused that year, playing kinda angry... like Lebron last year. I'm sorry but Marion shits on Shumpert. Jason Terry takes better shots, and is a smarter player. At best, for JR, they are equal. Jason Kidd is even older now, and on his last legs. So they aren't =

[2010splash]

Wade used to be ranked by most as a top three player with Bron and Kobe. Melo has never been a top three player in the league. Top ten, sure, and maybe top five this year.

Melo's numbers are better right now but it's not fair to say that makes him better because he doesn't have to play behind Bron. Put Wade on the Knicks in place of Melo and he does just as well, if not better. He's proven himself as a FMVP and former top three player in the league.
This completely. How can anyone argue this? Wade was a 30/5/8 on 49% player on his own. Carmelo is very good but has never done anything like that.

[livinglegend]

Joel Anthony,Mike Bibby, Injuried Haslem, Injuried Miller, Chalmers, James Jones <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Ray Allen, Birdman, Chalmers, Cole, Miller, Haslem, Lewis.


and oh, BTW, 2011 Mavs >> 2013 Knicks

[Trentknicks]

The supporting casts are very similar, but Melo has some big shoes to fill.

Dirk put up 28/8/3 on 49/46/94 splits.

Melo's career playoff averages? 25/7/3 on 42/33/82 splits.

Melo last two years in playoffs? Something around 27/9/3 on 40/27/80.

You have to produce in the playoffs. Shooting as poorly as Melo has throughout his career and the last 2 years in the playoffs makes it impossible for him to lead a team to the title. He has to play a lot better. I don't think he has it in him personally.
Interesting how you forget to mention the plethora of injuries to the Knicks in the last 2 series. Carmelo was essentially the only healthy Knick in both and had to work magic without any help, and inevitably failed. I think it's unfair to base his shooting averages of the last 2 years in your analysis. I agree totally he has big shoes to fill but he was at times tripled by Lebron, Battier and Wade and dropped 43 on the Heat in the playoffs with no help.

My unbiased prediction if the two meet in the playoffs with both fairly healthy: Heat in a hard fought 6 games series.

[ILLsmak]

Melo = Dirk
Iman Shumpert < Shawn Marion
Kenyon Martin = Deshawn Stevenson (Stevenson hit very key shots time and time again)
J.R. Smith < Jason Terry (JET played out of his mind. He was amazing.)
Novak > Any 3 point shooter Mavs had (they had JET, Kidd, Dirk, Stevenson... They didn't need a stand-still-do-nothing three point specialist. Honestly, Brian Cardinal had a big impact that is more than what Novak could do.)
Jason Kidd < Jason Kidd (Younger)
Tyson Chandler = Tyson Chandler
Felton = J.J. Barea

Not to mention this Heat team is entirely different than they were in 2011. Way better chemistry, way better role players, way better mentality. They are just way better.

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should be noted this hypothetical series could feature JR Smith playing out of his mind as well. Felton does not equal JJ the way he was playing.

I think NY could beat Miami, but probably won't.

-Smak

[Young X]

1 playoff win in 10 years.

[DMAVS41]

Interesting how you forget to mention the plethora of injuries to the Knicks in the last 2 series. Carmelo was essentially the only healthy Knick in both and had to work magic without any help, and inevitably failed. I think it's unfair to base his shooting averages of the last 2 years in your analysis. I agree totally he has big shoes to fill but he was at times tripled by Lebron, Battier and Wade and dropped 43 on the Heat in the playoffs with no help.

My unbiased prediction if the two meet in the playoffs with both fairly healthy: Heat in a hard fought 6 games series.

He's a career 42% fg 52% TS playoff performer. That isn't remotely good enough to lead a team to the title without all time great help.

If he, all of a sudden, starts playing like an elite player in the playoffs...then maybe they have a fighting chance. But he's got to really step it up and has a long way to go in order to play at the Dirk level on the raw numbers alone...lets ignore the absurd clutch play Dirk put up as well.
...
This is why the playoffs are the best way to figure out who the best players are. Melo just can't get it done in the playoffs so far throughout his career. He shoots around 4% worse from the field and sees a 3% drop in TS percentage...and his ppg stays the same. That is a pretty big drop in overall efficiency for seeing no increase in scoring output.

Again, that isn't good enough in the playoffs and probably why his teams have gotten out of the first round once. Getting swept 3 times and losing in 5 games 4 other times. Think about that...I know he wasn't on great teams, but in those 7 years...his teams went 4-28 in the playoffs. LOL...outside of the WCF year...Melo's teams are 6-32 in the playoffs for his career. Combine that with his poor play for a superstar...and you get an over-rated as **** player if people think he's better than 11 Dirk.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

He's a career 42% fg 52% TS playoff performer. That isn't remotely good enough to lead a team to the title without all time great help.

I was gonna call you out on these percentages.....but those ARE really his percentages. :oldlol: Dude's efficiency in the regular and postseason is like night and day. Crazy.

[BigDipper13]

New York isn't as good, pretty simple.

-Dipper

[The Playmaker]

This 2011 Mavericks analogy makes no sense.

The 2011 Mavericks were #1 assists that season while the Knicks this season are 2nd last in assists this season. They only average .1 assist more than the Bobcats do among all teams in the NBA.

Melo is not even close to Dirk either.

[Droid101]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt70zYHDEeI

Miami ain't about that life starting at around 11:00


:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
I miss Peja Stojakavic. :(

My favorite MVP runner up ever.

[DMAVS41]

I was gonna call you out on these percentages.....but those ARE really his percentages. :oldlol: Dude's efficiency in the regular and postseason is like night and day. Crazy.

Yep. Which is why looking at regular season stats often is a hugely flawed way of evaluating players. If Melo played as well as he does in the regular season...his teams would have had a lot more success in the playoffs than they have.

Again. Outside of the 1 year they made the WCF. Melo's teams are 6-32 in the playoffs...that alone wouldn't be such a big deal, but when you combine that with his poor play...you get the real Melo in my opinion.

And anyone comparing him to Dirk is just being absurd...or projecting big things yet to come.

[All Net]

People need to stop comparing this knicks team to the 2011 Mavs..they are a different team. Miami are also way better now than they were in 2011.

[Just2McFly]

This thread is from this year? Let the knicks worry about their 1st round opponent first and go on from there. Stop reaching. Knick fans seem like the dudes that would get a chicks number and text her pictures of their dick a minute later.

[K Xerxes]

If we be honest, this New York Knicks team is basically the 2011 Mavericks with better defenders and better playmakers.

Melo > Dirk
Iman Shumpert > Shawn Marion
Kenyon Martin > Deshawn Stevenson
J.R. Smith > Jason Terry
Novak > Any 3 point shooter Mavs had
Jason Kidd = Jason Kidd
Tyson Chandler = Tyson Chandler
Felton = J.J. Barea

I will never understand why people use this infantile comparison to judge teams (unless they're trolling). This is a team game, not a game of many individuals thrown together in a vacuum.

Nevermind that, it also ignores that Miami as a team have improved tremendously over the last two years. LeBron now has a post game. Ray Allen, Battier and Mike Miller can all hit the three. Bosh can hit the midrange jumper. Birdman can get physical.

New York are a team to be reckoned with, yes, but basically everything will have to go right for them to win in a 7 game series. They'd have to reduce their isos and play with great ball movement. Not only that, they'll have to hit their threes at a ridiculous rate.

The law of averages doesn't work that way though. The only East team I see as a legitimate threat to the Heat are the Bulls with a fully healthy Derrick Rose, and I don't see that happening soon.

[wagexslave]

Knicks fans overrate their team more than any other fanbase...

Just be happy you're in the eastern conference.

[CeltsGarlic]

Melo < Dirk
Iman Shumpert < Shawn Marion
Kenyon Martin = Deshawn Stevenson
J.R. Smith > Jason Terry
Novak < Peja
Jason Kidd < Jason Kidd
Tyson Chandler = Tyson Chandler
Felton = J.J. Barea

[Foster5k]

Looks like Kobe agrees with me. :D

[Derka]

This Miami team > the Miami team that lost to Dallas. Much better.

[Foster5k]

This Miami team > the Miami team that lost to Dallas. Much better.
I know that. However, I said this Knicks team is better than that Dallas team.

[retaxis]

This Miami team > the Miami team that lost to Dallas. Much better.
New York has small guards which is bad because Miami has bigger guards e.g. prigioni, kidd, felton, shump. They can't defend 3 point shooters like Allen, Miller, Jones or Wade

New York needs a big man scoring option so that their guards are that much more open to shoot the 3. Without Amare they have no big man scoring option that needs double teaming.

If New York goes small e.g. kidd, felton, smith backcourt etc. They aren't going to be able to cope with Miami's 'small' e.g. Wade, Allen, Lebron.

[retaxis]

we got bigs that will defend and score in tha paint especially with tha passing point guards we got.:no:
I wouldn't be too worried about that, Miami is the leagues best team at crowding and double teaming to force turn overs. Its a gamble for both teams but Miami has practiced that art to perfection..almost.

[retaxis]

ok so what happen during tha season then??:confusedshrug:
They did just what i stated in the season, double teaming and forcing turnovers. Its a gamble but Miami heat has very good defensive rotations so they can afford that gamble ->27 game win streak.

[retaxis]

Its pretty Obvious that NYK beat Miami like what 2-1 this season in the 'regular' season.

Remember when the Bulls beat Miami in the regular season? or Celtics?

Post season is a whole different animal and you can expect Miami to pick up their slack (which they haven't yet because they are playing Milwaukee)

[NumberSix]

Even if they do beat Miami, who cares? According to Knicks fans, this years playoffs don't even count.

[airchibundo507]

You wanna harp on Dallas's special qualities? Well, New York has some qualities that will definitely present advantages against the Miami Heat.

New York is ranked #1 this season in turnover percentage at 11.7% (17th best all time).

New York is ranked #1 in three point field made in a single season at 891 (best all time).

The Heat love to push the ball in transition, where LBJ and Wade are nearly unstoppable, but how can they manufacture fastbreak points when NY hardly turns the ball over?

The Heat love aggressive double teams and overplaying the paint on defense, but NY is one of the best three point shooing teams of all time. Their super stretch-4 offense with Melo at PF will make the Heat pay a penalty if they decide to trap Felton's P&R or double Melo.

NY is 3-1 against Miami this season. One of those wins was without LBJ and Wade. The one loss was in the middle of Miami's 27 game win streak; in it the Knicks had a 17 point lead at one point and admittedly collapsed in the 2nd half.

Last year the Knicks with Davis, Lin, Shumpert and Amare out due to injuries and Chandler limited due to the flu bug were able to push Miami to 5 games (same as the Thunder in the Finals). This is a much improved version of that squad and may manage to extend the series to 6-7 games.

[retaxis]

You wanna harp on Dallas's special qualities? Well, New York has some qualities that will definitely present advantages against the Miami Heat.

New York is ranked #1 this season in turnover percentage at 11.7% (17th best all time).

New York is ranked #1 in three point field made in a single season at 891 (best all time).

The Heat love to push the ball in transition, where LBJ and Wade are nearly unstoppable, but how can they manufacture fastbreak points when NY hardly turns the ball over?

The Heat love aggressive double teams and overplaying the paint on defense, but NY is one of the best three point shooing teams of all time. Their super stretch-4 offense with Melo at PF will make the Heat pay a penalty if they decide to trap Felton's P&R or double Melo.

NY is 3-1 against Miami this season. One of those wins was without LBJ and Wade. The one loss was in the middle of Miami's 27 game win streak; in it the Knicks had a 17 point lead at one point and admittedly collapsed in the 2nd half.

Last year the Knicks with Davis, Lin, Shumpert and Amare out due to injuries and Chandler limited due to the flu bug were able to push Miami to 5 games (same as the Thunder in the Finals). This is a much improved version of that squad and may manage to extend the series to 6-7 games.
I wouldn't trust in stats much especially team stats. Regardless If Miami takes this seriously, miami will likely win. First I am still interested to see how Knicks will do against pacers or Hawks. Both of those teams are just as good as knicks in my opinion. George, Hibbert, Horford, Josh Smith etc are all very good players and pacers particularly play hard defence. Knicks got to come out swinging to win that series.

[stevieming]

hmmm, would be nice if the knicks can beat Miami, but

Dirk that year >>Melo this year, even though Melo won the scoring title.
Matrix >> Iman
Jason Kidd > Kidd Knicks
JR Smith = JT
Tyson chandler > Chandler Knicks. (Be honest here...)
Barea > Felton

So with that comparison made, I crown Mavs the better team....



If we be honest, this New York Knicks team is basically the 2011 Mavericks with better defenders and better playmakers.

Melo > Dirk
Iman Shumpert > Shawn Marion
Kenyon Martin > Deshawn Stevenson
J.R. Smith > Jason Terry
Novak > Any 3 point shooter Mavs had
Jason Kidd = Jason Kidd
Tyson Chandler = Tyson Chandler
Felton = J.J. Barea

So, again. Why CAN'T the New York Knicks beat Miami Heat? This team is better than people are giving credit. This Knicks team CAN win a championshp. They CAN beat ANYONE in a 7 game series.

I like Miami. I know they are the defending champions. However, this New York Knicks team is scary. Basically the 2011 Championship Dallas Mavericks with over-all better playmakers and defenders.

Heat WATCH OUT! Not to mention Wade might not be fully healthy.

[Doranku]

Because LeBron gets every call, and Melo gets no calls at all. That's what the series will come down to, honestly.

[theBIGjabroni]

i doubt gay ass novak, who sucks, can go on a tear like peja and terry

[airchibundo507]

I wouldn't trust in stats much especially team stats. Regardless If Miami takes this seriously, miami will likely win. First I am still interested to see how Knicks will do against pacers or Hawks. Both of those teams are just as good as knicks in my opinion. George, Hibbert, Horford, Josh Smith etc are all very good players and pacers particularly play hard defence. Knicks got to come out swinging to win that series.

Indiana is somewhat comparable to the Knicks talentwise but there is literally no argument for the Hawks being as good as the Knicks this season.

NY has to be the heavy favorites against the Pacers in a series. NY has homecourt advantage and by far the best player.

The difference in Indiana at home and on the road is night and day, and Paul George is one of the biggest reasons why, as his production drops vastly away from home.

Home: 19.3 ppg, 7.8 rpg, 3.7, 44.6% FG, 42.4% 3P FG
Road: 15.6 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 4.6 apg, 39.1% FG, 29.2% 3P FG

Indiana looked as though they would sweep the Hawks fairly easily when they were playing in Indiana but the Pacers were blown out of the water in Atlanta. The Hawks could very well push it to 7 games, but since they can't win in Indiana, that will only serve to add to Indiana's fatigue. NY will be well-rested after beating the Celtics.

[EnoughSaid]

Because LeBron gets every call, and Melo gets no calls at all. That's what the series will come down to, honestly.

:facepalm

This season:

Melo: 7.6 FGA
LeBron: 7.0 FGA

Anyway, I'm confident in Miami because they have that switch that other teams don't. They can play INSANE defense for a stretch of 5-6 minutes and go on a huge run. If the Knicks consistently can make their 3's at 45% for the series, then they'll have a shot. But that's not likely.

[Le Shaqtus]

If Melo plays like he did in April and the Knicks shoot well from 3(which is asking for alot), they can give the Heat a run for their money, if everything goes right for the Knicks I can see them winning or atleast pushing them to 7 games.

But as we've seen this season Miami is a class above everyone else, they don't have to click on all cylinders and they can still be dominant. It might be the best series of the whole play offs if both teams play to their potential :rockon:

[airchibundo507]

:facepalm

This season:

Melo: 7.6 FGA
LeBron: 7.0 FGA

Anyway, I'm confident in Miami because they have that switch that other teams don't. They can play INSANE defense for a stretch of 5-6 minutes and go on a huge run. If the Knicks consistently can make their 3's at 45% for the series, then they'll have a shot. But that's not likely.

Besides the fact that LeBron got an unfavorable whistle this year compared to other years, the postseason is a different animal and the refs will likely give LeBron more calls when they feel Miami is threatened.

The Knicks have a switch of their own. The first halves of both games in NY against the Celtics were competitive. In the second halves, both times the Celtics scored under 30 points.

[willds09]

They did just what i stated in the season, double teaming and forcing turnovers. Its a gamble but Miami heat has very good defensive rotations so they can afford that gamble ->27 game win streak.
but tha knicks beat them 3---1 right?:rolleyes:

[icewill36]

NY will have a chance, and they do remind me of the 2011 mavs, but miami is much better than they were back then. All of these proven shooters surrounding bron and wade idk how they can be beat. to me only a team with an elite scorer will have a chance against them, so ny or okc, but now that westbrook is done they won't reach the finals

[KyrieTheFuture]

New York absolutely can beat Miami...once or twice but not four times.

[lpublic_enemyl]

knicks can win maybe one game, miami is far better

[Crafty]

knicks can win maybe one game, miami is far better
More ... Miami in 6 or 7

[All Net]

New York absolutely can beat Miami...once or twice but not four times.

I would agree... Beating miami 4 times? Not sure it can be done.

[ballup]

If we be honest, this New York Knicks team is basically the 2011 Mavericks with better defenders and better playmakers.

Melo > Dirk
Iman Shumpert > Shawn Marion
Kenyon Martin > Deshawn Stevenson
J.R. Smith > Jason Terry
Novak > Any 3 point shooter Mavs had
Jason Kidd = Jason Kidd
Tyson Chandler = Tyson Chandler
Felton = J.J. Barea

So, again. Why CAN'T the New York Knicks beat Miami Heat? This team is better than people are giving credit. This Knicks team CAN win a championshp. They CAN beat ANYONE in a 7 game series.

I like Miami. I know they are the defending champions. However, this New York Knicks team is scary. Basically the 2011 Championship Dallas Mavericks with over-all better playmakers and defenders.

Heat WATCH OUT! Not to mention Wade might not be fully healthy.
I can't believe some of these comparisons were made and that the Heat are assumed to be the same team as they were two seasons ago. Many of these make no sense at all.

[fjjkk102]

They're more like Denver Nuggets of 2000's in my opinion

Melo = Melo
Iman Shunpert < Allen Iverson or Chauncey Billups
Kenyon Martin = Kenyon Martin
J.R. Smith = J. R. Smith
Novak < Linas Kleiza
Jason Kidd < Andre Miller
Tyson Chandler = Macus Camby
Raymond Felton = Steve Blake

Wait! Why CAN'T They LOSE IN FIRST ROUND AGAIN?

:coleman: :coleman: :coleman:





If we be honest, this New York Knicks team is basically the 2011 Mavericks with better defenders and better playmakers.

Melo > Dirk
Iman Shumpert > Shawn Marion
Kenyon Martin > Deshawn Stevenson
J.R. Smith > Jason Terry
Novak > Any 3 point shooter Mavs had
Jason Kidd = Jason Kidd
Tyson Chandler = Tyson Chandler
Felton = J.J. Barea

So, again. Why CAN'T the New York Knicks beat Miami Heat? This team is better than people are giving credit. This Knicks team CAN win a championshp. They CAN beat ANYONE in a 7 game series.

I like Miami. I know they are the defending champions. However, this New York Knicks team is scary. Basically the 2011 Championship Dallas Mavericks with over-all better playmakers and defenders.

Heat WATCH OUT! Not to mention Wade might not be fully healthy.

[tmacattack33]

Bump.

Fukkin cocky and stupid azz Knicks fans :oldlol:

[HoopsFanNumero1]

"But... But... we beat them in the regular season"

-Knicks fans

[Blue&Orange]

Bump.

Fukkin cocky and stupid azz Knicks fans :oldlol:
Thread was made by a now heat bandwagon fan. Thank you for being retarded!


"But... But... we beat them in the regular season"

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