Ricky Rubio 0-10

[PistolPete44]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm This guy will quit very soon

[PickernRoller]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm This guy will quit very soon

Indeed. Many Laker prospects in Minnesota. I am still waiting for my boy Kevin Love to come back. He will undoubtedly be a Laker once Kobe retires. The question is will he be as good as he was before injury. You never know.

Ricky's also going to be on our payroll...

[#number6ix#]

Everybody has off nights

[alexd]

they don t have him to score.they have him to make assists and please the crowd.what more do you want?

[9512]

0 for 10 is only worrisome if it's Ray Allen.

Ricky is a PG.

[TheChosenBron]

Ricky Rubio is cancer. I have never seen a more over hyped player in all my years of viewing the NBA. He has no talent what so ever and yet everyone rides his nuts due to a few fancy passes in a game which could have been achieved through a simple pass instead. I cannot wait for the day he gets a torn ACL. Hear my prayers Gawdbe, end Rubio's overhyped career pls.

[eriX]

Ricky Rubio is cancer. I have never seen a more over hyped player in all my years of viewing the NBA. He has no talent what so ever and yet everyone rides his nuts due to a few fancy passes in a game which could have been achieved through a simple pass instead. I cannot wait for the day he gets a torn ACL. Hear my prayers Gawdbe, end Rubio's overhyped career pls.

man these trolls are getting worse :facepalm

[Qwertyazerty]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm This guy will quit very soon

2nd in SPG and 6th in APG in his second season... his first season was stoped by a serious injury (the one some frustrated want him to have again) while he was also 2nd in SPG and 6th in APG. He has a really poor FG%, he is still a very talented and usefull guy. If you add to that the fact he is flashy and the crowd usually loves him (which brings people to the stadium and money to the franchise)... no, I don't think he is quiting very soon.

[Eric Cartman]

man these trolls are getting worse :facepalm

New trolls are the worst.

[chips93]

they don t have him to score.they have him to make assists and please the crowd.what more do you want?

but they dont have him to miss either.

its ok not to put up a ton of points, if thats not your role, but if you miss a ton of shots while not scoring, you are hurting your team.

[PotOdds]

You can kinda tell the hype is off of him since last year.

Right now, he's not a NBA caliber shooter. You expect some improvement in the 2nd year but he's actually regressed. 3pt% is abysmal. APG, FT% is down. FG% hasn't improved from last year sorry state.

He's got decent size and good court vision but definitely a disappointment.

[Element]

He's an ass scorer. Those ridiculous streetballers you see every once in a while are probably better scorers at the NBA level.

He's like a young JKidd. Absolutely fantastic playmaker, but nobody cares about fancy behind the back passes that result in wide open bricks by JJ Barea or Ridnour. Very good and smart defender, too. He should focus on drawing fouls as his main offensive weapon, since he's already quite good at it and a good FT shooter. For a euro, especially a spanish one, his flopping game is really dissapointing. He should probably attend Rudy Fernandez' summer camp.

[Levity]

battling through a shoulder injury in a back to back....

[Levity]

You can kinda tell the hype is off of him since last year.

Right now, he's not a NBA caliber shooter. You expect some improvement in the 2nd year but he's actually regressed. 3pt% is abysmal. APG, FT% is down. FG% hasn't improved from last year sorry state.

He's got decent size and good court vision but definitely a disappointment.

you would expect improvement in shooting his 2nd year if he had a healthy off season and training camp to work on his shot. He's coming off an acl tear and didnt have a healthy training camp. I have no doubt this off season he will really really focus on his shot (getting more arc and lift) and finishing stronger at the rim.

[BlackVVaves]

New trolls are the worst.

This.

[toneloc103]

He's an ass scorer. Those ridiculous streetballers you see every once in a while are probably better scorers at the NBA level.

He's like a young JKidd. Absolutely fantastic playmaker, but nobody cares about fancy behind the back passes that result in wide open bricks by JJ Barea or Ridnour. Very good and smart defender, too. He should focus on drawing fouls as his main offensive weapon, since he's already quite good at it and a good FT shooter. For a euro, especially a spanish one, his flopping game is really dissapointing. He should probably attend Rudy Fernandez' summer camp.

You know what, this is a perfect analogy. One thing I dont hear mentioned is about his durabilty. If Kyrie is considered injury-prone, then what is Rubio?

[KobeClutchAsFK]

You know what, this is a perfect analogy. One thing I dont hear mentioned is about his durabilty. If Kyrie is considered injury-prone, then what is Rubio?

Considering how he tore his ACL, just by moving laterally, I'd call him injury prone also.

[PotOdds]

Hope so, another season like this and he's probably done.


you would expect improvement in shooting his 2nd year if he had a healthy off season and training camp to work on his shot. He's coming off an acl tear and didnt have a healthy training camp. I have no doubt this off season he will really really focus on his shot (getting more arc and lift) and finishing stronger at the rim.

[RedBlackAttack]

He's an ass scorer. Those ridiculous streetballers you see every once in a while are probably better scorers at the NBA level.

He's like a young JKidd. Absolutely fantastic playmaker, but nobody cares about fancy behind the back passes that result in wide open bricks by JJ Barea or Ridnour. Very good and smart defender, too. He should focus on drawing fouls as his main offensive weapon, since he's already quite good at it and a good FT shooter. For a euro, especially a spanish one, his flopping game is really dissapointing. He should probably attend Rudy Fernandez' summer camp.
Kidd was not a good shooter in his early days, but he was a better finisher than Rubio. And, Kidd was actually a pretty decent outside shooter by his 3rd/4th year in the league, lingering around 35% from behind the arc.

I've seen a lot of people make the Kidd comparisons, but I just don't see it. Both guys were/are great passers with excellent vision, obviously, but aside form that, their games aren't all that similar.

Rubio is fun to watch and I do think he could be an effective player on a really good team, given the players around him were complimentary to his style of play. I don't think he'll ever get to the level of a prime Jason Kidd, nor do I think he's on the level of a young Jason Kidd right now.

[qrich]

It was the Chris Paul D

[Levity]

Considering how he tore his ACL, just by moving laterally, I'd call him injury prone also.

Kobe ran into his leg

[Scholar]

0 for 10 is only worrisome if it's Ray Allen.

Ricky is a PG.

2010 NBA Finals, Game 3 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201006080BOS.html)

[Euroleague]

What happened to Rubio in Euroleague was that after a few years, teams started to realize that he can't shoot and he can't score. Not that he's bad at it, like some people bring up Kidd or Rondo and try to compare it that way....

but that he almost simply can't do it. He once in awhile has a good shooting game, and he is good at flopping to draw bail out calls from the refs. He's a solid free throw shooter, so he can score that way.

But his ability to actually finish his own shots................unbelievably bad. Probably the worst I've ever seen of anyone to play in Euroleague.

So once teams finally started to realize that, they made the logical adjustment on Rubio defensively and simply stopped guarding him. They just left him wide open the entire game and didn't even bother to put a man on him on defense.

They sagged way off and played 5 on 4 against the other 4 players on his team...........

Once teams in Euroleague figured that out, Rubio basically became a side show attraction with no substance. All his passing angles and his pick and roll play were completely taken away as soon as Euroleague teams did that.

And he just bricked shot after shot after shot after shot, being left wide open. To the point where he became such a huge liability to Barca, that he was not finishing games, barely playing the 4th quarter, and was even getting to the point of not even being allowed to run offense or pick and roll when he was in the game. Because he was such a freaking huge liability on offense.

The saving grace for Rubio in the NBA is that due to the psuedo or fake zone as they call it that the NBA uses, and the rules about being within a certain distance of your man, in the NBA you can't really apply that defense on Rubio.

So in the NBA, it works much better for him. But the same principle still applies. I said this here over and over and over. Rubio will do better in NBA because the rules suit him better (like the defensive 3 seconds and the no hand check - they help every point guard).......

But, I said it over and over, eventually NBA teams would catch on to just how awful a scorer and shooter Rubio is. And I said it, once that happens, they will just have his man stop trying to defend him so much and sag off.

It cuts his passing angles and lanes down. Leave the guy wide open, and it's almost like an automatic turnover if he shoots the ball.

You see last year, at the beginning of the year, NBA teams were playing Rubio all wrong. They had defenders up on him and trying to disrupt him. You can't play Rubio that way. You have to just leave him open and try to disrupt his passing lanes.

It took NBA teams a damn long time to figure that out, considering that EVERYONE in Europe already knew it, and NBA teams all claim to "scout all Euroleague games" (lie - they maybe watch 1-2 in a whole year)......

But at the point that NBA teams finally realized he just can't shoot or score at even the level of a good high school player, well, now the defenses are starting to play him the right way by giving him some space.

The teams will keep giving him more and more space, as much as the NBA defense rules allow, and Rubio will get less and less effective on offense as that happens.

Unless he can develop some type of scoring ability, he's a liability on offense, when teams defend him with the right tactics. And his "scoring outbursts" are always the same.

Just like they were in Europe. Once every now and then, he has a game where he hits some 3 point shots, or gets a ton of bail out free throws from friendly refs that are buying his flops.

He does not have the ability to score other than that for the most part. His defense (by NBA standards), passing, and ball handling are top notch. But damn, is his scoring ability horrid. It's not even at the level of an average NCAA D1 player.

[9512]

2010 NBA Finals, Game 3 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201006080BOS.html)

Lol...I bet Allen wants this erased out of his memory:roll:

[Euroleague]

you would expect improvement in shooting his 2nd year if he had a healthy off season and training camp to work on his shot. He's coming off an acl tear and didnt have a healthy training camp. I have no doubt this off season he will really really focus on his shot (getting more arc and lift) and finishing stronger at the rim.

Rubio is going to "fix his jumper this summer"..........been hearing that every year since he was 16.

[outbreak]

Seriously? He's playing injured and he's a pass first pg,on the right team he has the potential to lead the league in assists yet you guys claim he isn't nba caliber

[Levity]

This shit is funny. Rubio is going to "fix his jumper this summer"..........been hearing that every year since he was 16.

I said he's going to really focus on working on it.

and no doubt youve been hearing that since he was 16, but how many 16 year olds do you know that have a firm, realistic, understanding of the game and ways to improve. Rubio's still relatively new to the NBA, so the chances of him improving in certain facets is not unprecedented. And considering he hasnt had a true off season with the wolves yet, the verdict is still out. Will he improve? One would hope so, but only time will tell. Not wishful posters and not pessimistic ones, either.

[Levity]

Seriously? He's playing injured and he's a pass first pg,on the right team he has the potential to lead the league in assists yet you guys claim he isn't nba caliber

its idiots who dont understand the game other than scoring big numbers that make claims like that

[Euroleague]

Seriously? He's playing injured and he's a pass first pg,on the right team he has the potential to lead the league in assists yet you guys claim he isn't nba caliber

I never said that. I've never said anything like that regarding Rubio.

[Euroleague]

I said he's going to really focus on working on it.

and no doubt youve been hearing that since he was 16, but how many 16 year olds do you know that have a firm, realistic, understanding of the game and ways to improve. Rubio's still relatively new to the NBA, so the chances of him improving in certain facets is not unprecedented. And considering he hasnt had a true off season with the wolves yet, the verdict is still out. Will he improve? One would hope so, but only time will tell. Not wishful posters and not pessimistic ones, either.

What are the Wolves coaches going to do that Barca's coaches could not do? Or the Spanish national team systems? You do realize that Barca has WORLD class coaching standards right? Or that the Spanish national team has top level developmental training for players........you do realize that right?

You make it sound like he has never had even a half way decent shooting coach. That's just complete nonsense. He's had world class coaching levels for years in Spain and never improved his jumper.

Maybe it happens at some point........or maybe he's just not a good shooter and won't be.

This "he has not had a full summer to work with Wolves coaches" thing is just a nonsense excuse.

[waseem780]

What happened to Rubio in Euroleague was that after a few years, teams started to realize that he can't shoot and he can't score. Not that he's bad at it, like some people bring up Kidd or Rondo and try to compare it that way....

but that he almost simply can't do it. He once in awhile has a good shooting game, and he is good at flopping to draw bail out calls from the refs. He's a solid free throw shooter, so he can score that way.

But his ability to actually finish his own shots................unbelievably bad. Probably the worst I've ever seen of anyone to play in Euroleague.

So once teams finally started to realize that, they made the logical adjustment on Rubio defensively and simply stopped guarding him. They just left him wide open the entire game and didn't even bother to put a man on him on defense.

They sagged way off and played 5 on 4 against the other 4 players on his team...........

Once teams in Euroleague figured that out, Rubio basically became a side show attraction with no substance. All his passing angles and his pick and roll play were completely taken away as soon as Euroleague teams did that.

And he just bricked shot after shot after shot after shot, being left wide open. To the point where he became such a huge liability to Barca, that he was not finishing games, barely playing the 4th quarter, and was even getting to the point of not even being allowed to run offense or pick and roll when he was in the game. Because he was such a freaking huge liability on offense.

The saving grace for Rubio in the NBA is that due to the psuedo or fake zone as they call it that the NBA uses, and the rules about being within a certain distance of your man, in the NBA you can't really apply that defense on Rubio.

So in the NBA, it works much better for him. But the same principle still applies. I said this here over and over and over. Rubio will do better in NBA because the rules suit him better (like the defensive 3 seconds and the no hand check - they help every point guard).......

But, I said it over and over, eventually NBA teams would catch on to just how awful a scorer and shooter Rubio is. And I said it, once that happens, they will just have his man stop trying to defend him so much and sag off.

It cuts his passing angles and lanes down. Leave the guy wide open, and it's almost like an automatic turnover if he shoots the ball.

You see last year, at the beginning of the year, NBA teams were playing Rubio all wrong. They had defenders up on him and trying to disrupt him. You can't play Rubio that way. You have to just leave him open and try to disrupt his passing lanes.

It took NBA teams a damn long time to figure that out, considering that EVERYONE in Europe already knew it, and NBA teams all claim to "scout all Euroleague games" (lie - they maybe watch 1-2 in a whole year)......

But at the point that NBA teams finally realized he just can't shoot or score at even the level of a good high school player, well, now the defenses are starting to play him the right way by giving him some space.

The teams will keep giving him more and more space, as much as the NBA defense rules allow, and Rubio will get less and less effective on offense as that happens.

Unless he can develop some type of scoring ability, he's a liability on offense, when teams defend him with the right tactics. And his "scoring outbursts" are always the same.

Just like they were in Europe. Once every now and then, he has a game where he hits some 3 point shots, or gets a ton of bail out free throws from friendly refs that are buying his flops.

He does not have the ability to score other than that for the most part. His defense (by NBA standards), passing, and ball handling are top notch. But damn, is his scoring ability horrid. It's not even at the level of an average NCAA D1 player.
If a guy like Kevin love or Nikola Pekovic can draw double teams maybe that can open up a whole new game for Rubio..just saying

[Levity]

What are the Wolves coaches going to do that Barca's coaches could not do? Or the Spanish national team systems? You do realize that Barca has WORLD class coaching standards right? Or that the Spanish national team has top level developmental training for players........you do realize that right?

You make it sound like he has never had even a half way decent shooting coach. That's just complete nonsense. He's had world class coaching levels for years in Spain and never improved his jumper.

Maybe it happens at some point........or maybe he's just not a good shooter and won't be.

This "he has not had a full summer to work with Wolves coaches" thing is just a nonsense excuse.

I have no doubt that hes had great shooting coaches in the past, but again, in my opinion, a conscious improvement in ones game comes with age and understanding. And the healthy off season with the wolves is in reference to how they want him to play with their team/ in the NBA. His shooting mechanics show he knows what hes doing with his upper body. but the lack of arc and lift on this shot tells us that he needs to use his legs more with it. That by itself is fixable/teachable, but like you said, his past doesnt lead us to believe he can improve on it. but him being a younger player, the room for growth is still there.

[Shepseskaf]

The lousy shooting was always Rubio's fatal weakness. Minny fans tried to say that his Euroleague woes wouldn't follow him across the pond -- but they did.

He's still a more productive player than I thought he'd be.

[Euroleague]

I have no doubt that hes had great shooting coaches in the past, but again, in my opinion, a conscious improvement in ones game comes with age and understanding. And the healthy off season with the wolves is in reference to how they want him to play with their team/ in the NBA. His shooting mechanics show he knows what hes doing with his upper body. but the lack of arc and lift on this shot tells us that he needs to use his legs more with it. That by itself is fixable/teachable, but like you said, his past doesnt lead us to believe he can improve on it. but him being a younger player, the room for growth is still there.

Even if the Minny coaches somehow could fix his shot.......you do realize that he's playing with the Spanish national team this summer right? I mean, how long could he possibly even have to work with Minny coaches in the summer? A few days?

Or is he going to work on it immediately after the season ends and actually work on it in Spring?

[IGOTGAME]

The lousy shooting was always Rubio's fatal weakness. Minny fans tried to say that his Euroleague woes wouldn't follow him across the pond -- but they did.

He's still a more productive player than I thought he'd be.
I think they said he'd be a good pg. They were right.

[Shepseskaf]

I think they said he'd be a good pg. They were right.
No, "they" said he would revolutionize the position and be a dominant, all-time type player.

He was being compared to Maravich, which was ridiculous on so many levels.

I don't recall many of his fanboys saying that he's only be "good" or "serviceable".

[B-Easy8]

As a guy who watches almost all of the Wolves games I can say that Rubio's impact is not reflected by the box scores.

He is the difference maker everytime we play. His is all over the court and provides so much for the team.

Aside from Pekovic, we don't have anyone else who can consistently finish. If we did maybe he would be taking some easier shots and getting more assists.

[Euroleague]

As a guy who watches almost all of the Wolves games I can say that Rubio's impact is not reflected by the box scores.

He is the difference maker everytime we play. His is all over the court and provides so much for the team.

Aside from Pekovic, we don't have anyone else who can consistently finish. If we did maybe he would be taking some easier shots and getting more assists.

"Difference maker" and "guy that does more than what shows up on the box score" that consistently plays for lotto teams so far.......

Yeah, and the "no one can finish" BS again. Stop trolling.

[Qwertyazerty]

"Difference maker" and "guy that does more than what shows up on the box score" that consistently plays for lotto teams so far... again. Stop trolling.

What's your point, former euroleague MVP (Andrei Kirilenko) has played more games and more MPG than him in the same lotto team...is he also a non impact player?


BTW, last season when Rubio got injured his team was 8th and this season when he started (after ACL) his team was already far away from that 8th seed. Do you expect him to win it all by himself in half a season coming out of 7month without playing?

[Euroleague]

What's your point, former euroleague MVP (Andrei Kirilenko) has played more games and more MPG than him in the same lotto team...is he also a non impact player?


BTW, last season when Rubio got injured his team was 8th and this season when he started (after ACL) his team was already far away from that 8th seed. Do you expect him to win it all by himself in half a season coming out of 7month without playing?

Kirilenko is almost as overrated as Rubio is. He's never been anything but a complimentary role player on offense. Same exact thing he was on CSKA.

"MVP" award was given because he was a guy with a big name from NBA. That's it. He was a just a complimentary role player in their offense too. With the same numbers he gets in NBA.

Both of them are overrated.

Oh wow.......they were the 8th seed at one point..."difference maker".

[Qwertyazerty]

...
Oh wow.......they were the 8th seed at one point..."difference maker".

Knowing where they were the previous season yes, he and Adelman had great impact.

[DCL]

thought every player from europe who comes over here could shoot.

ricky rubio shatters that myth to pieces. :oldlol:

[Euroleague]

Knowing where they were the previous season yes, he and Adelman had great impact.

No. Just Adelman.

[MiseryCityTexas]

His terrible shooting was why his Euroleague team benched him.

[Dr.J4ever]

Ricky Rubio will be a top 5 PG in the NBA. He will never be a big scorer but he is a leader with charisma, flair, vision with the basketball, fundamental defense with steals, high assists, unselfishness, long arms, and he has enough athleticism to eventually be able to finish on his drives.

This thread is about his 0-10, but other nights he has put up 23,11, 5boards, and 3 steals. WTH do you call that? To me it's clear that he eventually will be able to be the PG of a championship level team averaging something like 12ppg,10apg,5rpg,3spg while anchoring the back court defense.

I was never fond of big scorers anyway playing PG. Being a Philly guy, I would much rather take the Maurice Cheeks type of PG. In 1983, Cheeks lead a great Sixer defense to become one of the great teams in NBA history.

BTW, we all should know better than to listen to Euroleague who thinks Spanoulis(2.7ppg in the NBA) is the best PG in the world.

[Dr.J4ever]

Ricky Rubio will be a top 5 PG in the NBA. He will never be a big scorer but he is a leader with charisma, flair, vision with the basketball, fundamental defense with steals, high assists, unselfishness, long arms, and he has enough athleticism to eventually be able to finish on his drives.

This thread is about his 0-10, but other nights he has put up 23,11, 5boards, and 3 steals. WTH do you call that? To me it's clear that he eventually will be able to be the PG of a championship level team averaging something like 12ppg,10apg,5rpg,3spg while anchoring the back court defense.

I was never fond of big scorers anyway playing PG. Being a Philly guy, I would much rather take the Maurice Cheeks type of PG. In 1983, Cheeks lead a great Sixer defense to become one of the great teams in NBA history.

BTW, we all should know better than to listen to Euroleague who thinks Spanoulis(2.7ppg in the NBA) is the best PG in the world.

[Dr.J4ever]

Ricky Rubio will be a top 5 PG in the NBA. He will never be a big scorer but he is a leader with charisma, flair, vision with the basketball, fundamental defense with steals, high assists, unselfishness, long arms, and he has enough athleticism to eventually be able to finish on his drives.

This thread is about his 0-10, but other nights he has put up 23,11, 5boards, and 3 steals. WTH do you call that? To me it's clear that he eventually will be able to be the PG of a championship level team averaging something like 12ppg,10apg,5rpg,3spg while anchoring the back court defense.

I was never fond of big scorers anyway playing PG. Being a Philly guy, I would much rather take the Maurice Cheeks type of PG. In 1983, Cheeks lead a great Sixer defense to become one of the great teams in NBA history.

BTW, we all should know better than to listen to Euroleague who thinks Spanoulis(2.7ppg in the NBA) is the best PG in the world.

[RedBlackAttack]

Ricky Rubio will be a top 5 PG in the NBA. He will never be a big scorer but he is a leader with charisma, flair, vision with the basketball, fundamental defense with steals, high assists, unselfishness, long arms, and he has enough athleticism to eventually be able to finish on his drives.

This thread is about his 0-10, but other nights he has put up 23,11, 5boards, and 3 steals. WTH do you call that? To me it's clear that he eventually will be able to be the PG of a championship level team averaging something like 12ppg,10apg,5rpg,3spg while anchoring the back court defense.

I was never fond of big scorers anyway playing PG. Being a Philly guy, I would much rather take the Maurice Cheeks type of PG. In 1983, Cheeks lead a great Sixer defense to become one of the great teams in NBA history.

BTW, we all should know better than to listen to Euroleague who thinks Spanoulis(2.7ppg in the NBA) is the best PG in the world.
Mo Cheeks was incredibly efficient. And, he was a pretty damn good scorer when he wanted to be, too.

Besides, this isn't just about "scoring," it is about efficiency. You don't have to score 20+ a night, but when you literally can't put the ball in the basket better than 1 in every 3 attempts, teams are going to exploit that deficiency and it will bleed over into other aspects of the offensive flow.

Rubio needs to make huge strides in his ability to score (not just shooting, but finishing at the basket) if he is ever to become the caliber of player you're comparing him to.

I like the guy's game, but shooting 35% from the field is not something you can simply gloss over, unless he is making vast improvements in other areas of his game. I haven't been able to watch him as much as I'd like this year, but just by looking at the numbers, his production is down basically across the board this season.

And, he started out his rookie season playing extremely well, but his numbers were dipping prior to the injury.

I don't often agree with EuroLeague on... Well, anything, but it does seem as though defenses have adjusted. Obviously, he is without the clear best player on the roster and I'm sure that is having a negative impact on everything...

But, Rubio has some pretty obvious deficiencies that need to be addressed if he is ever going to live up to your expectations.

[Scoooter]

He needs to work on his shot, but he can definitely play. He's already way better than a lot of young PGs in the league, like Kyrie Irving.

[Dr.J4ever]

Mo Cheeks was incredibly efficient. And, he was a pretty damn good scorer when he wanted to be, too.

Besides, this isn't just about "scoring," it is about efficiency. You don't have to score 20+ a night, but when you literally can't put the ball in the basket better than 1 in every 3 attempts, teams are going to exploit that deficiency and it will bleed over into other aspects of the offensive flow.

Rubio needs to make huge strides in his ability to score (not just shooting, but finishing at the basket) if he is ever to become the caliber of player your comparing him to.

I like the guy's game, but shooting 35% from the field is not something you can simply gloss over, unless he is making vast improvements in other areas of his game. I haven't been able to watch him as much as I'd like this year, but just by looking at the numbers, his production is down basically across the board this season.

And, he started out his rookie season playing extremely well, but his numbers were dipping prior to the injury.

I don't often agree with EuroLeague on... Well, anything, but it does seem as though defenses have adjusted. Obviously, he is without the clear best player on the roster and I'm sure that is having a negative impact on everything...

But, Rubio has some pretty obvious deficiencies that need to be addressed if he is ever going to live up to your expectations.

I don't really disagree with anything you said. I just think that it is entirely reachable for Rubio to be a top end PG because he has shown flashes in 2 years in the NBA. I can tell you that I have watched him enough times to favorably compare him to Jason Kidd, who couldn't shoot a lick when he first came up. No way is he Maravich, though.

Just imagine a Rubio who knocks down open shots, but can also drive using his length. Now add this to his already developing defense, leadership skills, and of course his passing proficiency. What do you have? An elite PG, that's what.

[Scoooter]

Jason Kidd still can't shoot.

[Dr.J4ever]

Jason Kidd still can't shoot.

A lot of Maverick fans will disagree with you about that. The point, though, is that Kidd improved his shot over time, and he was good enough to score in bunches when the Nets needed him to during their Final's run.

[RedBlackAttack]

He needs to work on his shot, but he can definitely play. He's already way better than a lot of young PGs in the league, like Kyrie Irving.
I will assume this was a failed attempt at trolling? :confusedshrug:

I addressed the Jason Kidd comparisons earlier in the thread. I don't see it. Both are incredibly skilled passers with great vision, but their games aren't all that similar aside from those very broad characteristics.

[Scoooter]

Yeah I was just ****ing with you. Lighten up.

[RedBlackAttack]

Yeah I was just ****ing with you. Lighten up.
Yeah, I knew that. Not about taking it seriously. It is just sometimes hard to detect sarcasm and/or trolling from an actual point. It was an honest question, believe it or not. I figured since I was the target, it must have been trolling. :oldlol:

Anyway, Rubio makes for interesting discussion. I'm not sure I've ever seen a player quite like him. Very unique.

[blacknapalm]

j kidd was a much better finisher in his prime but i think rubio might have been a better passer in that regard. not to say that rubio isn't good in the halfcourt either because he really is. broke jumper and all, it's hard to compare him to any modern player. his handles are up there with irving and lillard but he just has this feel to the game that makes him even more unique. i think irving and lillard are better in iso and breaking down players but rubio just has a way of making players look silly.

a 0-10 game from rubio shouldn't be super surprising. if you took away rondo's explosiveness, he'd have those sort of games too.

tbh, i didn't watch the game. were his shots wide open/out of rhythm? either way, this is probably what holds him back from that top 5 PG range. irving, lillard, curry, wb all have better finishing ability and jump shooting. and that's not counting rose...if he comes back close to healthy, he'll be right there. i'd probably take rondo over him too (still have to see how he recovers as well).

[DMAVS41]

Mo Cheeks was incredibly efficient. And, he was a pretty damn good scorer when he wanted to be, too.

Besides, this isn't just about "scoring," it is about efficiency. You don't have to score 20+ a night, but when you literally can't put the ball in the basket better than 1 in every 3 attempts, teams are going to exploit that deficiency and it will bleed over into other aspects of the offensive flow.

Rubio needs to make huge strides in his ability to score (not just shooting, but finishing at the basket) if he is ever to become the caliber of player your comparing him to.

I like the guy's game, but shooting 35% from the field is not something you can simply gloss over, unless he is making vast improvements in other areas of his game. I haven't been able to watch him as much as I'd like this year, but just by looking at the numbers, his production is down basically across the board this season.

And, he started out his rookie season playing extremely well, but his numbers were dipping prior to the injury.

I don't often agree with EuroLeague on... Well, anything, but it does seem as though defenses have adjusted. Obviously, he is without the clear best player on the roster and I'm sure that is having a negative impact on everything...

But, Rubio has some pretty obvious deficiencies that need to be addressed if he is ever going to live up to your expectations.

Rubio is the type of player that will be as good as the team around him. He'll improve a lot in the next couple years, but he's never going to be a guy that transforms an average team to a good one or a good team to a great team.

However, put him on a team that has a couple great players that fit well around him and a solid team...and he's exactly the type of pg you want imo.

Unfortunately, being in Minny is a bad scenario.

[blacknapalm]

Rubio is the type of player that will be as good as the team around him. He'll improve a lot in the next couple years, but he's never going to be a guy that transforms an average team to a good one or a good team to a great team.

However, put him on a team that has a couple great players that fit well around him and a solid team...and he's exactly the type of pg you want imo.

Unfortunately, being in Minny is a bad scenario.

totally disagree. he can certainly make an average team into a good one, especially paired with love. he negates some of the team's deficiencies. look at his +/- and his splits from last season. he'd almost always outplay ridnour and their crappy crop of wings. hell, look at it this season when he started to get healthy. he runs the offense and makes the team better. he won't be the main cog but he can certainly help. minny isn't ideal but it isn't 'bad'.

i don't see him being top 5 PG caliber (see my last post). he needs to add versatility but he still finds his teammates easy shots. if you break down each set, it shows. hitting guys in stride, on the run or for set shots in a skill. he passes to the numbers to the point they don't really have to gather. he knows his personnel.

he also seems to be pretty underrated defensively still. he's good in iso, has anticipation awareness and has a knack for coming up with the ball. dude has averaged 2.4 spg in less than 30 mpg this season.

it's not like he's a shot jacker. would you guys take him over a prime andre miller? i probably would but i always thought andre miller was underrated. on the defensive end, i'd definitely take rubio. miller played with bigs but he could always throw a great oop. could also post up. he never stretched the floor either, even worse than rubio downtown. tough call.

[DMAVS41]

totally disagree. he can certainly make an average team into a good one, especially paired with love. he negates some of the team's deficiencies. look at his +/- and his splits from last season. he'd almost always outplay ridnour and their crappy crop of wings. hell, look at it this season when he started to get healthy. he runs the offense and makes the team better. he won't be the main cog but he can certainly help. minny isn't ideal but it isn't 'bad'.

Of course he improves the team. I like Rubio. I agree with your take on finding his teammates..etc. That is why I said he'd be great with good and great players.

My point was that he's not going to transform a team. Put it this way. He could never be a top 2 player on a title winning team imo.

[Shepseskaf]

To sum it all up: Rubio is a complimentary piece.

[blacknapalm]

Of course he improves the team. I like Rubio. I agree with your take on finding his teammates..etc. That is why I said he'd be great with good and great players.

My point was that he's not going to transform a team. Put it this way. He could never be a top 2 player on a title winning team imo.

fair enough. that's why it's good to have a discussion. it's also important to note that j kidd never really found a jumper until late in his career. even then, his form was...ugly to say the least. he made it work for him. that's certainly rubio's weakness point and has been for years. at least he won't shot jack you of games for the most part. for all the shots he misses, he usually makes up for it w/ his passing ability. i think he's top 5 in that regard, ahead of curry and irving. he just needs to find a semblance of a jumper.

he has to find a set shot or dribble drive shot to offset that. i don't think he'll ever really be an iso shot guy. it's just not his game. on the flip side, this is where lillard, wb and irving just smother him in.

all this and i didn't even mention the best PG in the league, CP3 :oldlol: lawson is there too.

[DMAVS41]

fair enough. that's why it's good to have a discussion. it's also important to note that j kidd never really found a jumper until late in his career. even then, his form was...ugly to say the least. he made it work for him. that's certainly rubio's weakness point and has been for years. at least he won't shot jack you of games for the most part. for all the shots he misses, he usually makes up for it w/ his passing ability. i think he's top 5 in that regard, ahead of curry and irving. he just needs to find a semblance of a jumper.

he has to find a set shot or dribble drive shot to offset that. i don't think he'll ever really be an iso shot guy. it's just not his game. on the flip side, this is where lillard, wb and irving just smother him in.

all this and i didn't even mention the best PG in the league, CP3 :oldlol: lawson is there too.

he could certainly get better...and most likely will.

i don't like the kidd comparison as a player at all, but yes...Kidd didn't have a great jumper. but rubio will be lucky to become about half as good as Kidd imo.

if rubio is the 3rd or 4th best player on your roster...you've probably got a pretty good team. anything in the top 2 and I think you are most likely struggling to make the playoffs.

[Euroleague]

Ricky Rubio will be a top 5 PG in the NBA. He will never be a big scorer but he is a leader with charisma, flair, vision with the basketball, fundamental defense with steals, high assists, unselfishness, long arms, and he has enough athleticism to eventually be able to finish on his drives.

This thread is about his 0-10, but other nights he has put up 23,11, 5boards, and 3 steals. WTH do you call that? To me it's clear that he eventually will be able to be the PG of a championship level team averaging something like 12ppg,10apg,5rpg,3spg while anchoring the back court defense.

I was never fond of big scorers anyway playing PG. Being a Philly guy, I would much rather take the Maurice Cheeks type of PG. In 1983, Cheeks lead a great Sixer defense to become one of the great teams in NBA history.

BTW, we all should know better than to listen to Euroleague who thinks Spanoulis(2.7ppg in the NBA) is the best PG in the world.

Yea well, almost everyone in Europe, even most Rubio fans, think Spanoulis is way better than Rubio.

[deja vu]

Yea well, almost everyone in Europe, even most Rubio fans, think Spanoulis is way better than Rubio.
Of course, he's the 2nd best player in the world after LeBron, right? :lol

Clutch shots by Ricky vs. Utah by the way. :D

[booonkers]

Mo Cheeks was incredibly efficient. And, he was a pretty damn good scorer when he wanted to be, too.

Besides, this isn't just about "scoring," it is about efficiency. You don't have to score 20+ a night, but when you literally can't put the ball in the basket better than 1 in every 3 attempts, teams are going to exploit that deficiency and it will bleed over into other aspects of the offensive flow.

Rubio needs to make huge strides in his ability to score (not just shooting, but finishing at the basket) if he is ever to become the caliber of player you're comparing him to.

I like the guy's game, but shooting 35% from the field is not something you can simply gloss over, unless he is making vast improvements in other areas of his game. I haven't been able to watch him as much as I'd like this year, but just by looking at the numbers, his production is down basically across the board this season.

And, he started out his rookie season playing extremely well, but his numbers were dipping prior to the injury.

I don't often agree with EuroLeague on... Well, anything, but it does seem as though defenses have adjusted. Obviously, he is without the clear best player on the roster and I'm sure that is having a negative impact on everything...

But, Rubio has some pretty obvious deficiencies that need to be addressed if he is ever going to live up to your expectations.

Actually, he almost has identical stats from last season playing less minutes. I do think Rubio will definitely work on improving his game now that he's healthy and will have a full off-season to work on things.

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[3LiftHeatCurse]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm This guy will quit very soon

You're a Laker fan. We would think you are used to seeing crappy FG percentages considering who plays SG for you.

[KGMN]

Today's stat-line for Ricky:

24 points, 10 assists, 5 rebounds, 5 steals
8-18 FG (1-3 3Pt), 7-7 FT

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