East asian exchange students - your experience?

[millwad]

In Sweden we have plenty of exchange students from east asia, mainly chinese and korean and I keep getting dumbfounded by how plenty of them behave.

I've been living in dorms with a shared kitchen before in Sweden and now I'm currently in one as well because me and my girlfriend are waiting to move in to our new apartment which we just bought.

Anyway, where I live now I share kitchen with 3 chinese, 2 korean and one jamaican student and the east asian students live like pigs. And it's been the same every time I've shared kitchen with east asian exchange students, they are socially retarded and they never speak with anyone who's not a fellow countrymen and they are dirty as hell. I've been doing their dishes since I got back from the US because the pigs never clean their stuff after cooking and they don't through out the garbage either.

I've been in a couple of East Asian countries before and I never experienced anything of what I'm seeing now. Is it the younger generation that is like this or what?

And yeah, CharlesOakley is a bitch.

[niko]

Basically you just got a bunch of slobs. It has nothing to do with anything else except that.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Can second the socially retarded aspect. It sucks because their tiger moms thought that monetary and education success was the key to fulfillment and neglected the whole friendship and relationship part of the human experience. Over and over again. ANd boy do they suffer. And do we suffer too.

Not too sure about the cleanliness appeal to it. Chinese restaurants are pretty rundown and well the air pollution sucks. I guess being super status conscious they don't divert energy to household hygiene. Or their strict parents set such high rigid cleaning standards at home that they seize any opportunity to make pigpiles.

mill check out this thread: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=101792

PS i can say whatever the fukk i want cuz where im form its just as bad if not worse :oldlol:

[millwad]

Basically you just got a bunch of slobs. It has nothing to do with anything else except that.

I really want to believe that and these guys are nothing like the people I met when I was in East Asia and I always get amazed by the East Asian culture and history. I have no racist beliefs when it comes to asians or anyone else, don't get fooled by my lame punchlines about Godzuki, those were only because I wanted him to freak out.

But seriously, I've seen too many socially retarded and dirty exchange students from East Asia. I'm starting to think that these are the kids that have rich parents and who never had to work on their personalities or anything else because they were born with a silver spoon, it's mind boggling to see how these guys behave and how they interact with people who are not from the same country as themselves.

[StroShow4]

I can confidently attest that the majority of Jamaican people are obnoxious. Especially the women.


My best friend is Jamaican and even he can't stand other Jamaican people.

[millwad]

I can confidently attest that the majority of Jamaican people are obnoxious. Especially the women.

Have met too few jamaicans to make such a statement but my neighbor is actually a good kid. Although you can tell that he's from a 3rd world country and that he's brainwashed with nonsense about christianity like many other people are from developing countries where religion has a big stage in their culture and lives.

His jamaican friend is the most obnoxious female I've ever met though, seriously, so extremely arrogant and ignorant. She is always dead serious and she feels free to make fun of everyone else but as soon as someone makes the most friendly joke about her she gives people "the look" and act like she's the most amazing person ever.

But again, I've met too few jamaicans so I won't judge millions of people based on like 5 people.

[millwad]

Can second the socially retarded aspect. It sucks because their tiger moms thought that monetary and education success was the key to fulfillment and neglected the whole friendship and relationship part of the human experience. Over and over again. ANd boy do they suffer. And do we suffer too.

Not too sure about the cleanliness appeal to it. Chinese restaurants are pretty rundown and well the air pollution sucks. I guess being super status conscious they don't divert energy to household hygiene. Or their strict parents set such high rigid cleaning standards at home that they seize any opportunity to make pigpiles.

mill check out this thread: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=101792

PS i can say whatever the fukk i want cuz where im form its just as bad if not worse :oldlol:

Dude, did you see my love poem about you?

And haha, what did I just read?

[iamgine]

It's most likely a chain effect. It starts with one person not doing the dish, then another person sees it and say well fck it i'm not doing mine until that guy cleans his.

Then they see this guy cleaning all the dishes for them :lol

[daily]

So basically it sounds like some Asian exchange students got themselves a maid when they moved in with the OP.

And the reason they seem socially awkward to you is because they tend not to socialize with the help

[StroShow4]

But again, I've met too few jamaicans so I won't judge millions of people based on like 5 people.

I've probably met a hundred and maybe three have been tolerable.

[knickballer]

I thought OP was a multiculturalist liberal? Or does he just like black people?:confusedshrug:

[lefthook00]

In Sweden we have plenty of exchange students from east asia, mainly chinese and korean and I keep getting dumbfounded by how plenty of them behave.

I've been living in dorms with a shared kitchen before in Sweden and now I'm currently in one as well because me and my girlfriend are waiting to move in to our new apartment which we just bought.

Anyway, where I live now I share kitchen with 3 chinese, 2 korean and one jamaican student and the east asian students live like pigs. And it's been the same every time I've shared kitchen with east asian exchange students, they are socially retarded and they never speak with anyone who's not a fellow countrymen and they are dirty as hell. I've been doing their dishes since I got back from the US because the pigs never clean their stuff after cooking and they don't through out the garbage either.

I've been in a couple of East Asian countries before and I never experienced anything of what I'm seeing now. Is it the younger generation that is like this or what?

And yeah, CharlesOakley is a bitch.

The social retardation is a part of their culture, they simply never learned how to socialize that way. You can see the difference when you hang out with white-washed Asians, they are very outgoing, chill, etc.

The thing with the dirty kitchen, I'm guessing that exchange students from East Asia are most likely the privileged ones who have maids to cook, clean, etc.? Or maybe their mothers do everything for them and they've never washed a dish in their life? Plus more traditional gender roles? A lot of them probably live with their parents, wife moves into sons house, etc., so you probably have the wife, mother, grandma, daughter cooking and cleaning all the time.

[LJJ]

I've been in a couple of East Asian countries before and I never experienced anything of what I'm seeing now. Is it the younger generation that is like this or what?


Never been to China I guess? The Chinese don't give a ****.

[GatorKid117]

But seriously, I've seen too many socially retarded and dirty exchange students from East Asia. I'm starting to think that these are the kids that have rich parents and who never had to work on their personalities or anything else because they were born with a silver spoon, it's mind boggling to see how these guys behave and how they interact with people who are not from the same country as themselves.

As someone who works in China and teaches rich kids.

Bingo.

[HarryCallahan]

I've noticed the same thing with Asian schoolkids too. The ones that have grown up here are pretty normal, but kids who come over for college are autistic as hell.

[lefthook00]

Nvm.

[dunksby]

I second that millwad, I too had exactly the same experience they also would invite their other Chinese friends to our kitchen and occupy that place from 3PM to 3AM at least 3 times a week. All the while cooking and playing card and board games while shouting out, screaming, making it impossible for anyone in the corridor to study or relax.

[FPJ]

OP, how do you view romanian people that live in Sweden? Some swedish friends speak about them like they're aids.

[fiddy]

OP, how do you view romanian people that live in Sweden? Some swedish friends speak about them like they're aids.
Hold on a second. Are you talking about ethnically romanian or gypsies? Everybody know in eastern europe which etnical group is the plague.

[FPJ]

I dont understand your question. They said romanians not gypsies but they could have meant gypsies. Is there any difference?

Edit: I see you're from Bulgaria so you might know better since they mentioned bulgarians as well.

[brantonli]

I really want to believe that and these guys are nothing like the people I met when I was in East Asia and I always get amazed by the East Asian culture and history. I have no racist beliefs when it comes to asians or anyone else, don't get fooled by my lame punchlines about Godzuki, those were only because I wanted him to freak out.

But seriously, I've seen too many socially retarded and dirty exchange students from East Asia. I'm starting to think that these are the kids that have rich parents and who never had to work on their personalities or anything else because they were born with a silver spoon, it's mind boggling to see how these guys behave and how they interact with people who are not from the same country as themselves.


The main reason is probably because their language skills suck. If you went over exchange to China with very limited Chinese, wouldn't you try to stick with other white people rather than risk embarrassing yourself? It's easy to criticise people when they are out of their comfort zone and you're not, and it's very tempting to just meld back with your ethnic group that you are comfortable with, rather than meeting new foreign people.

I'm not saying I agree with it at all, but I believe that's how it generally works. IMO, it does kind of defeat the whole point of going on exchange in the first place.


I second that millwad, I too had exactly the same experience they also would invite their other Chinese friends to our kitchen and occupy that place from 3PM to 3AM at least 3 times a week. All the while cooking and playing card and board games while shouting out, screaming, making it impossible for anyone in the corridor to study or relax.

Have you tried asking them to be quiet?

[millwad]

OP, how do you view romanian people that live in Sweden? Some swedish friends speak about them like they're aids.

We have alot of romanian gyspies in Sweden and there are people who despise them, personally I have a hard time disliking a people who come from tough background and who never had the privileges I had and have.

And especially when it comes to gypsies, probably the most hated people in Europe and they've been stalked and abused for decades but they always tend to get forgotten. Nazi Germany killed around 500 000 gypsies but you never hear a word about it, almost like they aren't even worth a mention.

And bottom line, I'm for a multicultural country and Sweden is a country with enough resources to be able to help people in need.

[Nick Young]

In America atleast we were always taught that Hitler killed loads of gypsies, along with communists and trade unionists and homosexuals and polish, maybe they don't talk about the holocaust in europe as much as they do in US schools.

Also, not all are dirt poor. My cousin worked for the UN in Kosovo. This is what he told me about 7 years ago so I don't know how it is now. But apparently the gypsies dress in dirty clothes and beg on the streets there while at the same time they own the biggest mansion in the city and several expensive sports cars. They all team up their money together over there and they earn alot. Of course I'm not saying they live in the lap of luxury, but not all of them have it as bad as you'd believe based on how they often look begging in the streets. In Oslo too I remember there is a graveyard next to Frognerparken, the biggest park in the city, and the largest and most expensive grave belongs to a self proclaimed "Queen of the gypsies". That's what it said on her tombstone atleast. It was atleast twice as big as any other graves in the graveyard, complete with a massive color photo and loads of fresh flower bouquets around the grave. Other graves were dirty and hers was polished. Pretty sure Henrik Ibsen was even buried there and the gypsy queens grave dwarfed his.

Yep I agree with you though, they're one of those races I never hear anyone defend if a racist remark is made about them. Not cool.

[fiddy]

I dont understand your question. They said romanians not gypsies but they could have meant gypsies. Is there any difference?

Edit: I see you're from Bulgaria so you might know better since they mentioned bulgarians as well.

I though you were Romanian. Yeah theres a huge difference. Whole eastern Europe is plagued by them Romania, Bulgaria, Slovakia and so on.

These people ethnically do not belong to any of the mentioned nations. They are believed to originate from India, but no one knows for sure. The thing is that they are born here and according to the constitution they get citizenship. And on their ID/Passport under nationality it says Bulgarian/Romanian, you get the picture. I believe the situation is the same in many countries around the world, if a person is born on your land he gets citizenship.

That tactic i think was massively used by emigrants from north African countries that want to migrate to France. For instance a whole family enters illegally France, while the wife is pregnant in the 8th month, she gives birth there and there you go a brand new citizen of France. And the whole family gets to stay and is entitled to social benefits.

Back on the gypsies, they have been around for couple of hundred years. Their population has exploded in the last 20 years for some reason(after the fall of the communism). They usually live in a separate neighborhood which in most cases looks like the 3rd world. I've seen many pictures from Romania where they live in tents or abandoned buildings. They are uneducated, barely speak local languages. In my country the people that speak proper Bulgarian is probably less than 1 in 1000 (personal observation). They steal a lot (usually metal to sell for scrap or copper wires), domestic crime is something usual. Two weeks ago there's a dispute in one of those neighborhoods, two dead.

Now the worst part they have plenty of kids, girls giving birth at the age as early as 13. I remember seeing on tv several identical cases where a 28 old woman is a grandmother. I've seen other under the age of 30 having 7-8 kids. They rely mostly on social benefits.

As i mentioned they are uneducated so you can image what qualifications and skills they have. Big part of them barely graduates elementary school, another big part 8th grade and the number of successfully finishing high school is a joke. Although the number might be slightly higher in the last several years because of the dropping standards in school.

They have a tradition to buy their brides. There was TV investigation about "marketplace" meeting for buying wives. Girls as young as 13-14 getting sold. The son usually don't get choose his wife. I've spoke with one that lives in my neighborhood and he told that he doesn't love his wife but didn't had a choice. When you pay for your wife, you have to return your investment so you send your wife to steal in western Europe. I've also seen underage prostitutes (11-13-14-15... you get the point).

Also they have a hierarchy in their own ethnicity, Kardarashi being on the bottom. Ross Camp did a show on them, but i wouldn't recommend as it's lame and doesn't represent the reality as it is. The guy that lives in my hood is on top the hierarchy. But he is still uneducated and a criminal. I remember talking counterfeit money and trying to smuggle them in a country in western europe.

Gypsies are recognized as good dancers/singers. But i hate their music because its moraly degrading and resembles too much oriental music.


There was another publication about gypsies in Germany. There are LOTS of compaints, becasue some of them moved there, took over an abandoned building and settle there. And basically continue with their usual lifestyle filling for social benefits, which they are entitled to because they are EU citizens (which in western europe are IN SEVERAL TIMES higher than eastern) dumpster diving, a bit of stealing, begging, prostituation and so on.

Same story aplies about them in UK as well when it comes to social benefits.

I've had two of them in my elementary class. Had no interest in school subject by the end of 2nd grade they had to start it again. In highschool met another one he was 16 and still in the 7th grade. He had been married once but "returned" the wife because she had asthma. It was obvious that his dad was some kind of rich on a local scale that's why he stayed in school.

Physical they look different from ethnical, they seem to shorter than average bulgarians, and also their skin color is from light brown to dark brown. Very much resembling Indians.

Couple of years ago France was so fed up with them they deported 1000 of them back to Romania and Bulgaria. Heres report this time about Norway complaing about them and even threatening to leave Shengen because of the problem.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYUCse8D7Oo
The 1000 that were deported from France, were given 50(or 500 cant remember exactly) Euro and free plane ride back "home". Another win for the multicultural society of EU.

Heres another video thats shows english house representative in of the ghetto on the outskrits of your capital http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90lebI9YFrI The video speaks for itself.

For comparison heres another video of the capital city Sofia: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLJAmYC89JU The city itself was founded 5k years before Rome.

Another gypsy ghetto in Bulgaria: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-eWi4aB5JA

Heres' their music what it sounds like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HiNtA-7nhE

Also they are involved in MASSIVE voter fraud, their votes selling as cheap as ~13$.

and so on and on...

[fiddy]

In America atleast we were always taught that Hitler killed loads of gypsies, along with communists and trade unionists and homosexuals and polish, maybe they don't talk about the holocaust in europe as much as they do in US schools.

Also, not all are dirt poor. My cousin worked for the UN in Kosovo. This is what he told me about 7 years ago so I don't know how it is now. But apparently the gypsies dress in dirty clothes and beg on the streets there while at the same time they own the biggest mansion in the city and several expensive sports cars. They all team up their money together over there and they earn alot. Of course I'm not saying they live in the lap of luxury, but not all of them have it as bad as you'd believe based on how they often look begging in the streets. In Oslo too I remember there is a graveyard next to Frognerparken, the biggest park in the city, and the largest and most expensive grave belongs to a self proclaimed "Queen of the gypsies". That's what it said on her tombstone atleast. It was atleast twice as big as any other graves in the graveyard, complete with a massive color photo and loads of fresh flower bouquets around the grave. Other graves were dirty and hers was polished. Pretty sure Henrik Ibsen was even buried there and the gypsy queens grave dwarfed his.

Theres also truth here. They organize begging rings and move to other countries. But i am too tired right now.

Little known fact is that Bulgaria is the only country that saved its jews during WW2. 45k lives were saved. On paper we were Germany ally but in reality not. After the war began Hitler quickly reached our north border with 1.5 million well trained and cutting edge technology army for the time. We had two chances to comply with them or fight them. We let them pass through the territory but never a single bulgarian sodlier fought on their side. Greece denied the same request and were crushed in 1 week.
Jewish lobby is much stronger in the USA and thats the reason they talk more about that piece of history.



Yep I agree with you though, they're one of those races I never hear anyone defend if a racist remark is made about them. Not cool.

They deserve it, trust me.

[JtotheIzzo]

In Sweden we have plenty of exchange students from east asia, mainly chinese and korean and I keep getting dumbfounded by how plenty of them behave.

I've been living in dorms with a shared kitchen before in Sweden and now I'm currently in one as well because me and my girlfriend are waiting to move in to our new apartment which we just bought.

Anyway, where I live now I share kitchen with 3 chinese, 2 korean and one jamaican student and the east asian students live like pigs. And it's been the same every time I've shared kitchen with east asian exchange students, they are socially retarded and they never speak with anyone who's not a fellow countrymen and they are dirty as hell. I've been doing their dishes since I got back from the US because the pigs never clean their stuff after cooking and they don't through out the garbage either.

I've been in a couple of East Asian countries before and I never experienced anything of what I'm seeing now. Is it the younger generation that is like this or what?

And yeah, CharlesOakley is a bitch.


If they are male they likely haven't a clue how to clean as they were more than likely coddled by their parents and never had to lift a finger (this may get in the way of perpetual cram school and homework hours).

[Nick Young]

Theres also truth here. They organize begging rings and move to other countries. But i am too tired right now.

Little known fact is that Bulgaria is the only country that saved its jews during WW2. 45k lives were saved. On paper we were Germany ally but in reality not. After the war began Hitler quickly reached our north border with 1.5 million well trained and cutting edge technology army for the time. We had two chances to comply with them or fight them. We let them pass through the territory but never a single bulgarian sodlier fought on their side. Greece denied the same request and were crushed in 1 week.
Jewish lobby is much stronger in the USA and thats the reason they talk more about that piece of history.



They deserve it, trust me.
Props to Bulgaria.
Denmark and Albania also did good to save their jews. The King of Denmark supported and defended Danish Jews. Basically when Hitler asked for the Jews, the Danes said no, and Hitler did nothing to punish them and he did not forcibly extract Jews from Denmark. They were safe there. Maybe if every country had stood up to him like that the holocaust would not have been so big, but also maybe Hitler only allowed Denmark to do it because they were "Aryan." Many countries like Latvia and France and Serbia happily rounded up all their jews no questions asked and sent them to the slaughter.

[dunksby]

Have you tried asking them to be quiet?
Well my studies are done but to answer your questions yes, I tried it a couple of times same with the rest of the corridor residents, what did I get as an answer? 15 expressionless Chinese looking at me wide eyed like they were surprised that I was addressing them. I dunno maybe they had a "we ignore you so you ignore us" kind of mentality.

[millwad]

I though you were Romanian. Yeah theres a huge difference. Whole eastern Europe is plagued by them Romania, Bulgaria, Slovakia and so on.


Cry me a river, in Sweden we have alot of issues with "ethnic" Romanian and Bulgarian foreign workers as well.



These people ethnically do not belong to any of the mentioned nations. They are believed to originate from India, but no one knows for sure. The thing is that they are born here and according to the constitution they get citizenship. And on their ID/Passport under nationality it says Bulgarian/Romanian, you get the picture. I believe the situation is the same in many countries around the world, if a person is born on your land he gets citizenship.



They do belong, I feel embarrassed by just reading your post because it's full of prejudice and stupidty and the first gypsies arrived to Europe around 1500 years ago. In you country, Bulgaria, there are reports that indicate that gypsies have been there since the 13th century which is even before your country existed.



That tactic i think was massively used by emigrants from north African countries that want to migrate to France. For instance a whole family enters illegally France, while the wife is pregnant in the 8th month, she gives birth there and there you go a brand new citizen of France. And the whole family gets to stay and is entitled to social benefits.


You obviously have no clue what you're talking about, if you really believe that you get citizenship just because you gave birth to your child in that particular country you're either ignorant or you live in an imaginary world. Sweden is one the most immigrant friendly countries in the world and even here that doesn't work.



Back on the gypsies, they have been around for couple of hundred years. Their population has exploded in the last 20 years for some reason(after the fall of the communism). They usually live in a separate neighborhood which in most cases looks like the 3rd world. I've seen many pictures from Romania where they live in tents or abandoned buildings. They are uneducated, barely speak local languages. In my country the people that speak proper Bulgarian is probably less than 1 in 1000 (personal observation). They steal a lot (usually metal to sell for scrap or copper wires), domestic crime is something usual. Two weeks ago there's a dispute in one of those neighborhoods, two dead.


A couple of hundreds years is in fact since the 13th century.
Also it's bogus that 1 of 1000 gypsies speak Bulgarian, 7.5% of the Bulgarian gypsies have your language as their mother tongue.



Gypsies are recognized as good dancers/singers. But i hate their music because its moraly degrading and resembles too much oriental music.


You hate everything about them so there's no surprise that you hate their music as well. Personally I couldn't care less what you think about their music but you're writing alot of misinformation.



There was another publication about gypsies in Germany. There are LOTS of compaints, becasue some of them moved there, took over an abandoned building and settle there. And basically continue with their usual lifestyle filling for social benefits, which they are entitled to because they are EU citizens (which in western europe are IN SEVERAL TIMES higher than eastern) dumpster diving, a bit of stealing, begging, prostituation and so on.



I like the fact that you seem to believe that people actually like stealing, begging, dumpster diving and prostitution.




Physical they look different from ethnical, they seem to shorter than average bulgarians, and also their skin color is from light brown to dark brown. Very much resembling Indians.



You've obviously never met a person from India if you really do believe that they look like gypsies. I would definitely say that "ethnic" Bulgarians look much more the same as the gypsies compared to gypsies and people from India.



Couple of years ago France was so fed up with them they deported 1000 of them back to Romania and Bulgaria. Heres report this time about Norway complaing about them and even threatening to leave Shengen because of the problem.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYUCse8D7Oo
The 1000 that were deported from France, were given 50(or 500 cant remember exactly) Euro and free plane ride back "home". Another win for the multicultural society of EU.


Well, they do in fact belong in Bulgaria and Romania so I don't see anything wrong with that.

[rezznor]

I really want to believe that and these guys are nothing like the people I met when I was in East Asia and I always get amazed by the East Asian culture and history. I have no racist beliefs when it comes to asians or anyone else, don't get fooled by my lame punchlines about Godzuki, those were only because I wanted him to freak out.

But seriously, I've seen too many socially retarded and dirty exchange students from East Asia. I'm starting to think that these are the kids that have rich parents and who never had to work on their personalities or anything else because they were born with a silver spoon, it's mind boggling to see how these guys behave and how they interact with people who are not from the same country as themselves.
I am Vietnamese so I'd like to think I have some insight on this. FOBS are borderline retarded. They are rude as shit and have no social manners. Last time I was at the Lourve, some old chinese woman stepped across the rope barrier and started touching a painting. I just had to SMH. Alot of it is just the way people are raised, they have to really hustle for everything or else they get taken advantage of, that translates into no social skills whatsoever.

[fiddy]

Clueless little bitch. :roll: :roll:
I have no idea where to start. So you think after spending 15 minutes on google looking for some meaningless stats you got all the answers? :roll:OH MY GOD!


Cry me a river, in Sweden we have alot of issues with "ethnic" Romanian and Bulgarian foreign workers as well.
Workers? If they are there to work you should throw a party.

They do belong, I feel embarrassed by just reading your post because it's full of prejudice and stupidty and the first gypsies arrived to Europe around 1500 years ago. In you country, Bulgaria, there are reports that indicate that gypsies have been there since the 13th century which is even before your country existed.
My country was established in 681. Get your facts straight. In my highschool days I was discussing the issue with my geography teacher (she can teach history as well) and she told the story that they were brought in the 13th century from India as entertainers for the Byzantine emperor which capital is Constantinople (modern Instabul) right on the frontier between Europe and Asia. Cant confirm the story, doesnt matter. The sad fact is that they are here.

You obviously have no clue what you're talking about, if you really believe that you get citizenship just because you gave birth to your child in that particular country you're either ignorant or you live in an imaginary world. Sweden is one the most immigrant friendly countries in the world and even here that doesn't work.
Ok teach me more :roll:

Also it's bogus that 1 of 1000 gypsies speak Bulgarian, 7.5% of the Bulgarian gypsies have your language as their mother tongue.
:roll: :roll:
You seem to have missed one very important word “PROPER” its right there, I am not saying that 999 out of 1.000 don’t speak Bulgarian, im saying that they don’t speak proper/sufficient to have a normal conversation. I would have been more correct if I said that 1 of 1000 speaks and writes the formal language.


You hate everything about them so there's no surprise that you hate their music as well. Personally I couldn't care less what you think about their music but you're writing alot of misinformation.
So whats you point after all? Do you have opinion on that oriental type garbage, I can give you the “lyrics”

I like the fact that you seem to believe that people actually like stealing, begging, dumpster diving and prostitution. :roll: you seem to have missed the point once again. Ofc they do they do whatever they can to work as little as possible


You've obviously never met a person from India if you really do believe that they look like gypsies. I would definitely say that "ethnic" Bulgarians look much more the same as the gypsies compared to gypsies and people from India. :
You seem to have perfect knowledge of every sub-ethnic type of Indian nationals?
Perfect logic, a country with a population of 1.2 billion+ all the people looks exactly the same? :roll:



Well, they do in fact belong in Bulgaria and Romania so I don't see anything wrong with that.
And again they are citizens of the European Union my boy. They have the right and liberty work and live wherever they would like to? Isnt that what EU is about? :roll: Logic fail again, big time! This is like several families from Spain(for instance) decide to move to Germany and get deported for some ****ed phony reason? And on the way on entering the plane they are asked never to return again. There were minority organizations in my country that wanted to sue France in Strasburg.

If EU is so worried about gypsy integration why not integrate them In Stockholm or Brussels, they are EU citizens, the future of the Union. They are going to save us from the demographic crisis. :roll:

Would i suggest you not talk about issues you have never really seen/experienced.

If you hace 2 college degrees, my dog can get 5. **** outta here.

EDIT: BTW gypsies love indian movies especailly this one http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0272118/

[LJJ]

And again they are citizens of the European Union my boy. They have the right and liberty work and live wherever they would like to? Isnt that what EU is about?

Indeed, work and live. Not and/or.

These gypsys do not have any occupation, so they can be deported to the country where they are citizens.

[fiddy]

:roll:

Agreed, they don't work unless you count organized crime as working.

They are like Somalians I read somewhere all the Somalians Swedens have imported 9-10% work.

Rest of them are just parasites who leeches of the Swedish welfare system where they get free housing, free dental care, free healthcare, free drivers license, spending money. (Swedes only get healthcare of these mentioned.)

Of course once every week or two we see in the biggest newspapers how Somalians cry on the first page of the paper on how their kids can't afford Ipads and Iphones from the social welfare they get.
On local level they worked schemes to **** the system and get as much benefits as they could. Glad they changed the local law several years ago. Back then few of the educated ones created bogus comapanies and had bogus salaries in the amount x2 the average salary for the country. The salary ofcourse was never paid, except for the taxes that went to the state. So whats the big deal? After working for a year and getting laid off according to the old law you were entitled to worker compensation equal to 90% of your salary. So these mfers bring lets say 1200$ in taxes to the budget and receive back 10800$ in the next year without ever WORKING, CREATING PRODUCT, PROVIDING ANYTHING POSITIVE to the economy/society/humanity. leeches

There was a journalist investigation in Austria about the gypsy beggars with hidden camers and so on. These ****ers hustled as much as 50 euro PER HOUR then the guy at the top of the chain comes and takes the money beats the beggers and so on.

Some of the beggers INTENTIONALLY hurt themselves to get your symphaty and EXPOSE their wounds. I've seen people with missing feet and hands(this one had a cartoon box in his mouth).

I never give money to the beggers, sometimes when in the mood i ask them to buy him/her a lof of brea/slice of pizz/banitsa and you would very surpised to know that ive had many rejections they want the money :roll:
Guess what for?

I remember a one little fellow age 7-8 at most, he was begging in the parking lot of a hypermarket, i was with my sis and her boyfriend, we declined and enterned the store. Our way out he was smoking a cigarette, gave him a pack of waffles or something. You make whatever you want out of it.


Indeed, work and live. Not and/or.

These gypsys do not have any occupation, so they can be deported to the country where they are citizens.

What if they are unemployed in the process of finding a job? Judging by your logic you can deport every foreigner that has spent two days in a country without doing anything.

[Bandito]

I use to share my bathroom with this filipino kid when I was a student on the Air Force and he never cleaned the bathroom not even once. My friend used to have a roommate who was a 21 year old filipino and he always had to yell at him to clean after himself too. I think the new generation is just disgusting.

[pinhead]

No country has as many rude and ignorant people as Poland. Polish people are the biggest jackasses on the planet. The women can be pretty hot but sleep with and marry men for money and are so up their own ass it makes me puke.

Slovaks and Russians are not far behind. And now I read that the UK is going to be invaded by bloody Romanians and Bulgarians next year. I am getting pissed of with this. Why can't people just stay in their own god damn country.

[knickballer]

No country has as many rude and ignorant people as Poland. Polish people are the biggest jackasses on the planet. The women can be pretty hot but sleep with and marry men for money and are so up their own ass it makes me puke.

Slovaks and Russians are not far behind. And now I read that the UK is going to be invaded by bloody Romanians and Bulgarians next year. I am getting pissed of with this. Why can't people just stay in their own god damn country.

I'm guessing you are English? Do you have problems with Pakis, Indians, Caribbean people moving to the UK in large #'s?

[pinhead]

I'm guessing you are English? Do you have problems with Pakis, Indians, Caribbean people moving to the UK in large #'s?

Indians and Pakistanis are respectful and good people on the whole. It is Eastern Europeans who I have a problem with. Can't stand the dumbasses.

[millwad]

Clueless little bitch. :roll: :roll:
I have no idea where to start. So you think after spending 15 minutes on google looking for some meaningless stats you got all the answers? :roll:OH MY GOD!


Haha, you're so pathetic.
You go on rants racist rants and you get butthurt when someone tells you that the gypsies are just as much as Bulgarian as you are.



Workers? If they are there to work you should throw a party.


I meant the one's you call your "own", Bulgarians who work in Sweden, you're so stupid that it's not even funny.



My country was established in 681. Get your facts straight. In my highschool days I was discussing the issue with my geography teacher (she can teach history as well) and she told the story that they were brought in the 13th century from India as entertainers for the Byzantine emperor which capital is Constantinople (modern Instabul) right on the frontier between Europe and Asia. Cant confirm the story, doesnt matter. The sad fact is that they are here.


I wrote the wrong thing, the reference I made about gypsies being in Europe since 1500 years ago was meant to make you understand the fact that it's very likely that there existed gypsies on the land that would become Bulgaria.



Ok teach me more :roll:

:roll: :roll:


Such a clown, nice answer after getting schooled.

[QUOTE=fiddy]
You seem to have missed one very important word

[LJJ]

What if they are unemployed in the process of finding a job? Judging by your logic you can deport every foreigner that has spent two days in a country without doing anything.

Looking for a job is not a valid reason for legal residency. Not within the EU nor anywhere else.

They could come as tourists, but alas, not without money whilst living on the streets.

You seem incredibly ignorant of what the EU actually is.

[FPJ]

No country has as many rude and ignorant people as Poland. Polish people are the biggest jackasses on the planet. The women can be pretty hot but sleep with and marry men for money and are so up their own ass it makes me puke.

Slovaks and Russians are not far behind. And now I read that the UK is going to be invaded by bloody Romanians and Bulgarians next year. I am getting pissed of with this. Why can't people just stay in their own god damn country.

What is it with the english and the polish? Some brits even resent Froch for having polish grandparents :oldlol: .

The brits are angry already at the romanians and bulgarians cause they work for cheaper. Most english people that work in construction have to settle for less.

Pinhead, if people stayed in their country we wouldnt have had the United States. Without the US, Germany might have won the world war and you'd now be speaking deutsch unless you were jewish...cause now i would be talking to soap. If people had your mentality we'd still be living in the Middle Ages.

Everyone can work and live his life wherever he wants as long as its legal. People hating on them because they were born somewhere else are simple minded and probably have a poor education.

Also, Millwad, dont argue with fiddy. He is right in most of what he says. Only thing i recall differently is that the gypsies were brought as slaves, to work the field, pretty much same as black people in the US. Might be wrong though.

[Boomerang]

You obviously have no clue what you're talking about, if you really believe that you get citizenship just because you gave birth to your child in that particular country you're either ignorant or you live in an imaginary world. Sweden is one the most immigrant friendly countries in the world and even here that doesn't work.
Um.. you're the one clueless. It is the way it works. How do you think all those millions of Asians born in USA are US citizens? Their parents aren't. Being born in the U.S. gives you citizenship.

Same as a few thousand other countries.

Funny you try to make yourself sound intelligible, but this here exposed you to be just an idiot. You're trying too hard. I don't see why any adult doesn't know this, you must be pretty protected, spoon-fed.


Birth within the United States
Main articles: Birthright citizenship in the United States and Jus soli
Section 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

In the case of United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), the Supreme Court ruled that a person becomes a citizen of the United States at the time of birth, by virtue of the first clause of the 14th Amendment, if that person:

Is born in the United States
Has parents that are subjects of a foreign power, but not in any diplomatic or official capacity of that foreign power
Has parents that have permanent domicile and residence in the United States
Has parents that are in the United States for business
idiot.

[millwad]

Um.. you're the one clueless. It is the way it works. How do you think all those millions of Asians born in USA are US citizens? Their parents aren't. Being born in the U.S. gives you citizenship.

Same as a few thousand other countries.

Funny you try to make yourself sound intelligible, but this here exposed you to be just an idiot. You're trying too hard. I don't see why any adult doesn't know this, you must be pretty protected, spoon-fed.


idiot.

Well, idiot, there aren't thousand of countries to start with and you obviously haven't read what you just quoted. And we were discussing how it works in the EU and even in the US it's much more difficult than what you're trying to make it.

First of all, yes, the baby is a US citizen but that doesn't automatically make the mother or the family of the baby american citizens.

To become a US citizen you must first become a permanent resident and then you must wait 5 years before you even can apply the US citizenship. And to even become a permanent resident is not something that easy for an immigrant to start with.

So yeah, you just quoted me with a BS answer while making yourself looking like a clown.

[pinhead]

What is it with the english and the polish? Some brits even resent Froch for having polish grandparents :oldlol: .

The brits are angry already at the romanians and bulgarians cause they work for cheaper. Most english people that work in construction have to settle for less.

Pinhead, if people stayed in their country we wouldnt have had the United States. Without the US, Germany might have won the world war and you'd now be speaking deutsch unless you were jewish...cause now i would be talking to soap. If people had your mentality we'd still be living in the Middle Ages.

Everyone can work and live his life wherever he wants as long as its legal. People hating on them because they were born somewhere else are simple minded and probably have a poor education.

Also, Millwad, dont argue with fiddy. He is right in most of what he says. Only thing i recall differently is that the gypsies were brought as slaves, to work the field, pretty much same as black people in the US. Might be wrong though.


There is no historical reason for me disliking the Poles. I just think they are absolute jackasses.

And don't let Hollywood get in the way of your thinking. By the time the US joined, the 2nd world war was all but won by Britain and their allies.

[HarryCallahan]

There is no historical reason for me disliking the Poles. I just think they are absolute jackasses.

And don't let Hollywood get in the way of your thinking. By the time the US joined, the 2nd world war was all but won by Russia and their allies.

FIFY

[gigantes]

this thread is friggen awesome. so far i'm through the first page+ and i find the responses extremely interesting and insightful.

anyway, i'm always eager to learn about other cultures. great way to reverse-learn about your own culture and about core human values.

started typing a long story about a couple extremely aggressive chinese guys i had the misfortune of dealing with recently on an android RPG card game of all things... yes, started... but decided it would just take too long to explain it all properly. all i can say is, wow... what a big bag of disingenuous tricks they can wield when they want to. sort of like 'how to be a total asshole to other people without ever being an overt asshole' or something.

[Boomerang]

Well, idiot, there aren't thousand of countries to start with and you obviously haven't read what you just quoted. And we were discussing how it works in the EU and even in the US it's much more difficult than what you're trying to make it.

First of all, yes, the baby is a US citizen but that doesn't automatically make the mother or the family of the baby american citizens.

To become a US citizen you must first become a permanent resident and then you must wait 5 years before you even can apply the US citizenship. And to even become a permanent resident is not something that easy for an immigrant to start with.

So yeah, you just quoted me with a BS answer while making yourself looking like a clown.
thousand countries is a figure of speech, not that you'd understand.
And the original post, your reply, and my post and quote were all talking about the baby itself become the citizen, not the mother. WTF you talking about, jackass.

If i take my wife to the US and have a baby, that baby is a US citizen, easy like that. That is just what fiddy mean when he said, here comes a new french citizen. The rest of the family doesn't get citizenship, just benefits. Nobody here said they get citizenship. Stop acting like a know it all when you have the knowledge of a HS kid.

[millwad]

thousand countries is a figure of speech, not that you'd understand.
And the original post, your reply, and my post and quote were all talking about the baby itself become the citizen, not the mother. WTF you talking about, jackass.

If i take my wife to the US and have a baby, that baby is a US citizen, easy like that. That is just what fiddy mean when he said, here comes a new french citizen. The rest of the family doesn't get citizenship, just benefits. Nobody here said they get citizenship. Stop acting like a know it all when you have the knowledge of a HS kid.

I am well aware that it's a figure of speech but it's stupidity because no countries really work like that.

And you seem mentally challenged, I replied to a person who was making comments about how gypsies move around in Europe and get babies and through the baby they get citizenship.

Yes, if you take your wife to the US and if you have a baby, that makes the baby a US citizen. And just because it makes the baby a US citizen it doesn't say anything about the family itself and the benifits are for the baby, not the immigrants or illegals. You obviously don't have any knowledge at all considering that you even can't read to start with.

Read the post you quoted, idiot;


You obviously have no clue what you're talking about, if you really believe that you get citizenship just because you gave birth to your child in that particular country you're either ignorant or you live in an imaginary world. Sweden is one the most immigrant friendly countries in the world and even here that doesn't work.


I wrote about the mother and the family, not the baby.

[fiddy]

You deserve it, you deserve the crown biggest douche of ISH. :roll:
Like i didnt told you, DONT TALK on issue you have no clue about.


Haha, you're so pathetic.
You go on rants racist rants and you get butthurt when someone tells you that the gypsies are just as much as Bulgarian as you are.
A nation may refer to a community of people who share a common language, culture, ethnicity, descent, or history Straight retarded statement. :roll:


I wrote the wrong thing, the reference I made about gypsies being in Europe since 1500 years ago was meant to make you understand the fact that it's very likely that there existed gypsies on the land that would become Bulgaria. So where’s your source/reference Mr college degree? Since you are so much mentally superior compared to the rest of ISH you could have provided some kind of a source? And btw this is as irrelevant as much as your own existence. Gypos became problem in the 20 years. 100 years ago their population wasn’t nowhere as significant as it is today.


This is laughable, so you really think that gypsies prefer being prostitutes and piss poor rather than having good jobs? I guess they are just like the foreign Bulgarians who are not gypsies who behave like shit in Sweden. They are always looking for the easy way. Make whatever you want out of it.


No, you clown, you made a statement about how they look Indian but the gypsies sure thing look more like Bulgarians compared to the average Indian. Most ignorant statement so far. You have internet connection right? Images.google.com
There have been reports that they actually came from there! ****ing troll. So why wouldn’t they look like them?
Gypsies: http://skandalno.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/%D0%B3%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BE.jpg
Indians: No source here, you have seen them all
Ethnical Bulgarian: http://logbg.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/studenti-ot-su-i-unss-shte-protestirat-sreshtu-uvelitchenieto-na-semestrialnite-taksi-studenti-ot-sofiyskiya-universitet-i-unss-izlizat-na-miren-protest-v-dvorovete-na-visshite-utchilishta.jpg

We are mostly slavs, we look like Russians/Serbian/Czech/Polish(nowhere near exact looks but have similarities).

We have foreign workers from Bulgaria here who aren't gypsies who act like bastards, you're acting like the one's you calling your "own" are so amazing while the gypsies are equal with cancer. Chances are that unless the foreign worker is programmer, engineer or a student that mostly likely he/she is not very bright. What do you expect of people that went to another country to clean the WCs?


So EU is supposed to take gypsies and integrate them in other countries because your country failed doing so, what about discrimination in Bulgaria regarding gypsies? Too bad that Bulgaria is a shitty country then,
When it comes to politics and institutions, we are shitty country.


I've experienced both "ethnic" Bulgarians and gypsies and believe me, you're worse than any gypsy I've ever met, a prostitute gypsy would make your mom look like garbage considering the beliefs she gave you. Ban worthy? Come on 2 college degrees, acting like 12 yo should be below “your level” :roll:
I believe that you are a douche. But that’s another belief that I did not get from my mother. How did you get in college in the first place? With such retarded logic…



You can't even write a post with proper english to start with, and lets not forget the fact that you even can't refer to any sources either which says the most about the fact how you never went to college. You are so much better human being. All hail almighty the douche king of ISH. :roll:

[Nick Young]

For anyone who wants to judge if gypsy music is shit or not: CHALGA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_eC_zNVMcI

[fiddy]

For anyone who wants to judge if gypsy music is shit or not: CHALGA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_eC_zNVMcI Chalga is not gypsy music. Correct term for chalga is pop folk it was supposed to be a mixture of traditional folk music with modern music. Which is not the case. The word Chalga has turned into a synonym for stupid/low quality(like the majority of the people that like the music).

Most of the artist in that youtube mix are actually Bulgarians. Gyspies(and ethnically turkish) are heavily involved in that "industry" they are responsible for brining oriental sounds to the music. Also gypsies are good for performing live at pubs that kind of music. Which goes along with lots of alcohol and hot girls.

On that video.

06.СОФИ МАРИНОВА & УСТАТА - БАТЕ ШЕФЕ
The female artist is gypsy and the little kid is her son as far as i know.

08.Емануела и Сердар Ортач - Питам те последно
The male singer is from turkish descend

10.ИЛИЯН - ТУПАЛКА
He's gypsy


If not mistaken the rest are ethnically bulgarians.

EDIT: just remembered there was a porn clip with #16 :D

Chalga music has close relations with "mafia", as mafia bosses like the music and live performances at pubs/restaurant.

This is gypsy music http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cI2kjOKMUY and majority of chalga fans dont listen to it and its not considered typical chalga.

For comparison here a video of a gypsy artist performing chalga music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9sQZLtsfp8

[B-hoop]

I am well aware that it's a figure of speech but it's stupidity because no countries really work like that.

And you seem mentally challenged, I replied to a person who was making comments about how gypsies move around in Europe and get babies and through the baby they get citizenship.

Yes, if you take your wife to the US and if you have a baby, that makes the baby a US citizen. And just because it makes the baby a US citizen it doesn't say anything about the family itself and the benifits are for the baby, not the immigrants or illegals. You obviously don't have any knowledge at all considering that you even can't read to start with.

Read the post you quoted, idiot;



I wrote about the mother and the family, not the baby.

God, stop backtracking you are making yourself look even more stupid.

[gigantes]

i would love to hear more gypsy music like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QV5-_GQGH-Q

[GatorKid117]

Today, I left my wallet on the bus and a Chinese woman tapped me on the shoulder and returned it to me.

Nicest thing I've seen a Chinese stranger do to someone else.

Also hung out with some Scottish girls last night. Damn, do I love their accent lol.

[Nick Young]

On local level they worked schemes to **** the system and get as much benefits as they could. Glad they changed the local law several years ago. Back then few of the educated ones created bogus comapanies and had bogus salaries in the amount x2 the average salary for the country. The salary ofcourse was never paid, except for the taxes that went to the state. So whats the big deal? After working for a year and getting laid off according to the old law you were entitled to worker compensation equal to 90% of your salary. So these mfers bring lets say 1200$ in taxes to the budget and receive back 10800$ in the next year without ever WORKING, CREATING PRODUCT, PROVIDING ANYTHING POSITIVE to the economy/society/humanity. leeches

There was a journalist investigation in Austria about the gypsy beggars with hidden camers and so on. These ****ers hustled as much as 50 euro PER HOUR then the guy at the top of the chain comes and takes the money beats the beggers and so on.

Some of the beggers INTENTIONALLY hurt themselves to get your symphaty and EXPOSE their wounds. I've seen people with missing feet and hands(this one had a cartoon box in his mouth).

I never give money to the beggers, sometimes when in the mood i ask them to buy him/her a lof of brea/slice of pizz/banitsa and you would very surpised to know that ive had many rejections they want the money :roll:
Guess what for?

I remember a one little fellow age 7-8 at most, he was begging in the parking lot of a hypermarket, i was with my sis and her boyfriend, we declined and enterned the store. Our way out he was smoking a cigarette, gave him a pack of waffles or something. You make whatever you want out of it.



What if they are unemployed in the process of finding a job? Judging by your logic you can deport every foreigner that has spent two days in a country without doing anything.


In Westfields in London, the biggest mall in the UK, there are these retarded gypsies always begging on the bridge. They are doing it wrong though, because while sometimes they remember to wear a dirty headscarf, they forget to take off their squeaky clean designer shoes from brands like Prada and Gucci. And they usually have a purse on their shoulder. F*cking idiots, but they just sit their on their knees with their heads down and a begger cup infront of them and people give them money.


Also in India when I went there, there are hundreds of thousands of beggars whose parents deformed them when they were little so they'd grow up to be better beggars. That blind kid in slum dog millionairre was not an exaggerated worst of scenario. I was in India for 2 weeks and just did touristy things, and everywhere you went, there were grown men whose legs had been broken when they were babes, who could only crawl on their hands because they had no legs, hundreds and hundreds of guys like this.

Can't say that I've ever seen beggers in Europe with purposeful injuries like that, but maybe they're out there.

[Nick Young]

What is it with the english and the polish? Some brits even resent Froch for having polish grandparents :oldlol: .

The brits are angry already at the romanians and bulgarians cause they work for cheaper. Most english people that work in construction have to settle for less.

Pinhead, if people stayed in their country we wouldnt have had the United States. Without the US, Germany might have won the world war and you'd now be speaking deutsch unless you were jewish...cause now i would be talking to soap. If people had your mentality we'd still be living in the Middle Ages.

Everyone can work and live his life wherever he wants as long as its legal. People hating on them because they were born somewhere else are simple minded and probably have a poor education.

Also, Millwad, dont argue with fiddy. He is right in most of what he says. Only thing i recall differently is that the gypsies were brought as slaves, to work the field, pretty much same as black people in the US. Might be wrong though.
Most Polish people I've met work insanely hard compared to the average English person I know. They are also nice people. The Polish girls I know all like a good time, can handle alot of alchohol, and don't act like drunken trash sluts like most English girls do when they get drunk.

It's my view as an outsider that English resentment towards Poland comes from Polish and other slavic people and baltic people coming to UK and getting jobs ahead of english because they are willing to work harder for minimum wage.

Most English people I know refuse to take a minimum wage job because they say "Its not worth it, Id rather live on benefits." They are extremely lazy. Polish for the most part are insanely hard workers and for some reason this leads to resentment. In my opinion it should lead to respect if anything.

Their only weakness is sometimes theyre hard to understand cus the accent, but they atleast try to learn English usually, and not like loads of Mexican immigrants in the US who don't even try to learn English because they don't have to.

Also my Polish friend tells me they're the fastest growing economy in the EU, not sure if this is true though. But Polish people get a really bad rap for some reason, it's mostly undeserved.

[Nick Young]

There is no historical reason for me disliking the Poles. I just think they are absolute jackasses.

And don't let Hollywood get in the way of your thinking. By the time the US joined, the 2nd world war was all but won by Britain and their allies.
Allies would not have won the war without the backing of the US economy and military equipment and supplies, stop distorting reality and give proper credit to your liberators:rockon: :rockon: :rockon:

[Nick Young]

Chalga is not gypsy music. Correct term for chalga is pop folk it was supposed to be a mixture of traditional folk music with modern music. Which is not the case. The word Chalga has turned into a synonym for stupid/low quality(like the majority of the people that like the music).

Most of the artist in that youtube mix are actually Bulgarians. Gyspies(and ethnically turkish) are heavily involved in that "industry" they are responsible for brining oriental sounds to the music. Also gypsies are good for performing live at pubs that kind of music. Which goes along with lots of alcohol and hot girls.

On that video.

06.СОФИ МАРИНОВА & УСТАТА - БАТЕ ШЕФЕ
The female artist is gypsy and the little kid is her son as far as i know.

08.Емануела и Сердар Ортач - Питам те последно
The male singer is from turkish descend

10.ИЛИЯН - ТУПАЛКА
He's gypsy


If not mistaken the rest are ethnically bulgarians.

EDIT: just remembered there was a porn clip with #16 :D

Chalga music has close relations with "mafia", as mafia bosses like the music and live performances at pubs/restaurant.

This is gypsy music http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cI2kjOKMUY and majority of chalga fans dont listen to it and its not considered typical chalga.

For comparison here a video of a gypsy artist performing chalga music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9sQZLtsfp8
Thanks for the info, I have gone my whole life misinformed, thinking Chalga was gypsy music.

Either way I think it's garbage, sorry to your culture!

[knickballer]

In Westfields in London, the biggest mall in the UK, there are these retarded gypsies always begging on the bridge. They are doing it wrong though, because while sometimes they remember to wear a dirty headscarf, they forget to take off their squeaky clean designer shoes from brands like Prada and Gucci. And they usually have a purse on their shoulder. F*cking idiots, but they just sit their on their knees with their heads down and a begger cup infront of them and people give them money.


Also in India when I went there, there are hundreds of thousands of beggars whose parents deformed them when they were little so they'd grow up to be better beggars. That blind kid in slum dog millionairre was not an exaggerated worst of scenario. I was in India for 2 weeks and just did touristy things, and everywhere you went, there were grown men whose legs had been broken when they were babes, who could only crawl on their hands because they had no legs, hundreds and hundreds of guys like this.

Can't say that I've ever seen beggers in Europe with purposeful injuries like that, but maybe they're out there.

They do this elsewhere as well especially in the Balkans. Problem is that the Balkans are generally poor and yet they manage to leach money off the common folk more so. They harass you to give them some money and you'll have like 10 kids chasing you asking you for money :oldlol:

You should also see how they live.. They live in ****ing ghettos with satellite dishes sticking out of their homes. Then they have horses and a bunch of other animals outside their property. Then some of them will practice dog fighting in the streets. Not to mention they travel in hordes wherever they go.

W/e Fiddy said about them is pretty much true.. And yes they are from India as they were expelled from there in the middle ages. Don't mind Millwad as he's a multiculturalist-liberal

[pinhead]

Most Polish people I've met work insanely hard compared to the average English person I know. They are also nice people. The Polish girls I know all like a good time, can handle alot of alchohol, and don't act like drunken trash sluts like most English girls do when they get drunk.

It's my view as an outsider that English resentment towards Poland comes from Polish and other slavic people and baltic people coming to UK and getting jobs ahead of english because they are willing to work harder for minimum wage.

Most English people I know refuse to take a minimum wage job because they say "Its not worth it, Id rather live on benefits." They are extremely lazy. Polish for the most part are insanely hard workers and for some reason this leads to resentment. In my opinion it should lead to respect if anything.

Their only weakness is sometimes theyre hard to understand cus the accent, but they atleast try to learn English usually, and not like loads of Mexican immigrants in the US who don't even try to learn English because they don't have to.

Also my Polish friend tells me they're the fastest growing economy in the EU, not sure if this is true though. But Polish people get a really bad rap for some reason, it's mostly undeserved.

Polish people don't work harder, it is a myth.

I have worked with Polish people in the past and most were very lazy and extremely arrogant. I no longer have to, thank god.

None of them like or respect England. They even used to say this. They stay in their pack and talk Polish to each other even when they are around English people which is very rude.

The Polish women used to sleep with management to get ahead and promotion. They were as bad, if not worse, than English girls for sluttyness. They just had a way of hiding it.

I don't like to tar them all the same brush. There were the odd one who was decent.

[LJJ]

I don't know how the situation is in the UK, but in the Netherlands the Polish work immigration generally takes place under this construction:

Polish people sign up with a specialized staffing firm in Poland. These staffing firms then put these Poles to work in the Netherlands and pay them minimum wage. But in order to get this job the worker must also make use of the services provided by the staffing agency, such as housing, utilities and groceries.

The staffing agency pays them a salary, but also bills them for services rendered. Creating a situation where they pay minimum wage in a legal sense but operate far below the cost level of the domestic workforce. It's a loophole. The Poles don't get jobs because they work harder, they get jobs because they cost less than minimum wage and can easily be exploited.

[Nick Young]

Polish people don't work harder, it is a myth.

I have worked with Polish people in the past and most were very lazy and extremely arrogant. I no longer have to, thank god.

None of them like or respect England. They even used to say this. They stay in their pack and talk Polish to each other even when they are around English people which is very rude.

The Polish women used to sleep with management to get ahead and promotion. They were as bad, if not worse, than English girls for sluttyness. They just had a way of hiding it.

I don't like to tar them all the same brush. There were the odd one who was decent.
Im telling you the ones I know in my university in my course work extremely hard. Ones I know outside of uni work ridiculous hours. This is just people I know, in comparison to all the english who refuse to work minimum wage jobs.

Of course not all Polish work hard and not all English are lazy.

[dunksby]

Lol what happened to this thread?

[Nick Young]

Really not sure how much you know about World War 2 history after that comment.......



Educate yourself. Jasenovac was the only nazi death camp not run by Germans in all of Europe and it was run by Serbs. The Serbian government organized its own deathcamps and work camps to suck up to the Nazis. Only 17% of Serbian Jews survived the Holocaust and an SS officer is quoted as saying Serbia was the only country that the "Jew and Gypsy problem" was truly solved.

I question what you know about WWII history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasenovac_concentration_camp

In 1942, Commander of the Serbian Gestapo said "Serbien ist judenfrei."

Serbs also invented their own knife specifically for killing Jews and gypsies, called the Srbosjek aka Serb-cutter.
http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/5121/srbosjek01.jpg

You have alot to learn about history, sport.

[Pinkhearts]

So basically it sounds like some Asian exchange students got themselves a maid when they moved in with the OP.

And the reason they seem socially awkward to you is because they tend not to socialize with the help

This.

Please remember that you are dealing with East Asian EXCHANGE students. Students who go on a costly exchange in Europe so far from home for a semester or a year are likely to be rich spoiled brats who lived a pampered life. They probably have maids and servants at home and never washed anything in their lives ever.

This does not mean East Asian people are slobs. You can find many spoiled white brats around too.

The responsible students will be saving up for the future, for their marriage, to buy a home, further education...etc rather than blow tens of thousands to spend a year away from home in a foreign land. You aren't meeting any of these people.

[soadrules]

Here's a little bit of the situation from my perspective. A little bit of background; I go to ta large university (main campus/state school, etc.). Due to that, we have a lot of foreign students coming to study, visit for a semester, etc. etc. In addition, being in the engineering school, I am even more exposed to people like this. Furthermore, I also moved into the co-op on the engineering campus for this semester due to certain circumstances. Although it's not really the typical co-op (hardcore druggies, etc.), it's just FILLED with foreign exchange students since they're very flexible when it comes to contracts.

There are two types of foreign students (and I speak on the part of mostly eastern Asian people as the OP also pointed out, I'll get to other ethnicities in a bit); the ones that try to fit in, and the ones that just do not give a rats ass about other people. I don't know the background for each type of these people, but, for the most part, all of these people are from relatively wealthy backgrounds, as they can afford to come here in the first place.

So let's begin the dissection with the students that try to fit in:

These people, like those that don't try to fit in, come from wealthy backgrounds. Although they may or may not eventually move here, they understand that we have a completely different culture. Rather than completely ignore these differences, they want to see what these cultures are like, and want to experience a different culture for themselves. This means trying new things, reaching out to people of different ethnicities, and learning English as best as possible. A lot of these people are jaded against the east asian culture of "study study study," and kind of want to break out of that lifestyle that they hated when growing up. By the time their sophomore year rolls around, they've usually got a decent group of diverse individuals. It may have taken them a while to break out of their eas-asian mindset, they made it a point to at least immerse themselves in a new culture and try new things out. They're usually fairly clean (depending on person), respectful of others privacy, and quiet when necessary.

2nd type of east asians (this is about 85% of them [no sources to cite, just general observations])

These are the type of people that come here preconditioned about their thoughts on Americans. Due to their upbringing, they only know the idea of 'study,' and they look down on those that don't constantly study. In addition, they hate the very thought of the American culture. They've been brought up to hate the entire culture of 'glamour,' getting drunk, and just generally, not studying their entire lives. Due to social obligations of grades being vastly important, these people spend a lot of time studying, and will do whatever it takes to get the best grade. This includes cheating on tests (Seriously, asian people cheat on tests more than normal people), etc. It's not that they're bad people, but the social obligation probably takes a toll large enough that they feel the need to cheat. In addition to cheating on tests, these people are usually out to cheat the system in any possible way. This includes finding loopholes in contracts, or, not doing the dishes if nobody tells them to (my suite is mostly asian and it's disgusting as @$*(&. Not only do they not clean on a daily basis, they did not participate on our once-a-semester all-house clean day). Socially, they make no effort to befriend people not of their ethnicity. Although this is a very negative paragraph, I can't blame them entirely; the social stigmas with which they grew up plays a large role on their actions, and, culture shock is definitely another factor into why they do not want to branch out. You can't really 'blame' them, so to speak.

As far as other ethnicities of asians (Indians/Pakistanis/others);

They're social. Although they not have many close friends that are not of their ethnicity, they can, and will, make conversation with you. However, the one stipulation on this is that they're usually trying to ask you for a favor (read: "take advantage of you"). They try to keep to themselves if they can. These people, are, like eastern asians, usually trying to game the system. A lot of times they're lazy, and won't do work if they can get away with not doing it.

[LJJ]

Infact the ethnic groups who suffered the most during World War 2 in Europe were the Poles, Russians, Jews and the Serbs. But of cors you dont learn that history in the west. You dont learn about the 25 million dead Russians, the 20 million dead Chinese, the 15 million dead Indonesians, 6 million dead Poles etc. You think World War 2 was only about the Holocaust of the Jews!

You sound indoctrinated against the west.

Obviously basic history education in Europe deals with mostly relevant domestic history, with a touch of basic world history. This is the same everywhere on the planet, domestic history comes first.

Nowhere in the world do they teach history more uncensored and impartial than in much of what you describe as "the west" though. You don't find other countries educating their youth on the atrocities committed by their own families as vigourously and truthfully as they do in Germany.

[dunksby]

No reply Nick Young?

For every German soldier that was killed in Yugoslavia during world war two, the Nazis would murder 100 Serbian civilians. This was the case even if it was Communist Croats/Muslims/Sloveneans (Who were against the Nazis) that did the killings. The Germans only massacred Serbs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kragujevac_massacre

Infact the ethnic groups who suffered the most during World War 2 in Europe were the Poles, Russians, Jews and the Serbs. But of cors you dont learn that history in the west. You dont learn about the 25 million dead Russians, the 20 million dead Chinese, the 15 million dead Indonesians, 6 million dead Poles etc. You think World War 2 was only about the Holocaust of the Jews!

Serbs and Jews even today have great a great relationship because of the persecution we suffered together during the War. My brother and I are named after two Jewish brothers who faught against the Nazis in Croatia before both being murdered in concentration camps.
You are new here, so you might not know, Nick Young is an ignorant ill-educated asshole. Either ignore him or just laugh off his stupidity and ignorance.

[Nick Young]

My grandmother's family had to leave Serbia in the 1880s because their village got burned down by a pogrom. So my whole life she would always tell me bad things about Serbians. She didn't even live their, she was born in the US, just her grandparents were, but she still hated Serbia. And she'd always tell me Jasenovac and how the serbs volunteered to put it there and ran it better then any nazi death camp.

And yes we never learned this in school, so all I knew was what my grandma told me. Guess it was from a biased view. Thanks for telling me this stuff. I WAS WRONG AND IGNORANT. I won't make this mistake of calling out Serbs again.

But yeh, no one thinks of the holocaust as only against the Jews. In Hebrew school growing up they ALWAYS stress the poles, gypsies, homosexuals and communists and freemasons were also murdered. You're right, serbs are rarely mentioned. My Hebrew school too had a bad opinion of the Serbs. Wonder why, apparently according to you and other things I've been reading Jews and serbs used to get on really well.

[Jack]

@N Young

Don't worry about this Serbian propaganda. They have been doing it for years. Their dream was to make Big Serbia and they have this saying Serbia to Tokyo. They made a lot of crimes in the past and my family had to get out of village before Serbs burnt it down.

During Yugoslavia days they would take most of the money from all republics to themselves. That led to break-up of the country.

They got defeated again in the Homeland War by Croatians who in the beginning did not have access to weapons. in 1999 they got bombarded by the NATO forces. That's when their dreams of big country started to fall apart. Afterwards they lost Montenegro as part of their country. Nowadays Kosovo does not want to be dictated by the government from Belgrade. Vojvodina is also close to actually start debating about its own independence.

The funny thing is that most of the Serbs will tell you how everyone is against them and everything is conspiracy. They will tell you they are the best country in the world and that nobody can beat them at anything.

Most of their generals have been apprehended and sentenced for crimes of ethnic cleaning of Croats and Muslims in the Bosnian region.

Most of Croatian generals have been freed recently and the Homeland War was declared as official war in which Croatia had the right to defend itself and its people.

When I lived in the States I found a lot of Serbs or ex Chetniks who fled Serbia. In the US they are even bigger nationalists than Serbs in Serbia. They have these big parties where they pride themselves on how big nationalists they are. In reality they do not even know what is going on in Serbia today and how economically ****e* up it is.

Crazy people I tell ya.

[Jack]

I did not say that Croatia was perfect. I am not proud of Ustasha history my country had. I have to tell you not all Croatians were Ustasha.

Nowadays Ustasha and their followers are looked upon as people living in the past and dreaming of something that does not exist. Wearing Ustasha symbols is not permitted in Croatia.

I wonder is it same for Chetniks and Serbia? My grandma's village was burnt during the WWII.

I know about Jews and the Ottoman Empire. That were also hard times for people on these lands. For example kids would be taken from their mothers in Croatia, Serbia and taught muslim religion. Some of them were the best warriors Turks ever had.

You and me know history is really hard to tell in this region. Even our historians can't get a long with a lot of facts.

I was mainly speaking about Serbian state of mind that seems to never change. That is only bad for you guys. We have been neighbors for so many years, we married your girls and you guys married our girls. Your and my people went to universities all across Croatia and Serbia.

We accepted the European Union and its values. I sincerely hope you guys will someday too. For that to happen you have to change and you have to say sorry for all the wrongs you did in the past (I am especially talking about the Homeland War).

You guys see that even the International Community is not buying your stories and excuses.

When those positive things happen then in some near future maybe we can build Europe together and not just the Balkans!

[Rubio2Gasol]

Sometimes people care less about being dirty than you care about being clean. If you genuinely care about every space being clean - like is going to be hell until you have enough money to purchase your own space.

[Jack]

Yes it is banned by the law. I can assure you most of the people who wore those kind of symbols had to pay a fine or were imprisoned.

I am sorry that some of them get away with it.

I could do the same for you guys; google pictures of you guys wearing chetnik hats and uniforms during concerts, soccer games or some other "cultural" events.

The point I am trying to make is that there is still a big number of people who idolize chetnik's ideology. In Croatia there is a big contrast. Even Thompson was not sued for all the lyrics he sang out during concerts he had all around the World.

I am sorry that people who really want democracy in Serbia are overshadowed by the other side who has not done anything positive up to this point. They should have been in historic books and not in political life of Serbia.

Maybe we should stop right here with this discussion because I don't wanna ruin the thread. We could go on and on when in the end the Int'l Tribune will probably make a final standing what happened. I guess the majority of story has already been confirmed by the court.

Pozdrav susjed/kom

[fiddy]

Lots of Balkans pride in the thread.

I always had the impression that the west (western Europe) doesnt want a strong country in the Balkans.

And Macedonia is Bulgarian
joking :)



The staffing agency pays them a salary, but also bills them for services rendered. Creating a situation where they pay minimum wage in a legal sense but operate far below the cost level of the domestic workforce. It's a loophole. The Poles don't get jobs because they work harder, they get jobs because they cost less than minimum wage and can easily be exploited.
Same situation with bulgarians as well. But thats what happen when uninformed and uneducated people are forced(out of misery) to emigrate. These so called agency take full advantage of such people.
As for UK, bulgarians currently can work as self employed, but there are agencies that offer house cleaning service and have contacts of bulgarian maids that work for them. They get an order>send "self empoyed"maid to clean the house> get paid> pay pennies to the worker that did the actual work.
At your earlier remark in the thread about my knowledge of the EU, you're correct.



When those positive things happen then in some near future maybe we can build Europe together and not just the Balkans!

Dont mean to be rude but wtf does that mean?

[Jack]

You are not rude.

To build = in a way to co operate and make countries in the region better (economically and socially). Just like countries in the EU wanna build better Europe.

I am not gonna comment on Serbian propaganda anymore. My dad fought Chetnik's who did a massacre in the nearby towns. My dad also got shot in a leg by chetnik's.