Kobe being amnestied?

[LamarOdom]

Seems logical right now, save tax money and he'll resign once he is back?

[b0bab0i]

If he's amnestied, teams under the salary cap can pick him up off waivers. Kobe to Bobcats?
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[LamarOdom]

If he's waived, teams under the salary cap can pick him up off waivers. Kobe to Bobcats?
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

He can't say no to teams? I'm not sure how amnesty works.

[ripthekik]

If he's amnestied, teams under the salary cap can pick him up off waivers. Kobe to Bobcats?
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
:lol

[b0bab0i]

He can't say no to teams? I'm not sure how amnesty works.
Once he's amnestied, teams under the salary cap bid for kobe.

For example, if bobcats bid $5million and they win, they pay kobe $5 million next year while lakers pay $25million (since his salary is ~$30 million). He cant leave unless he sets up a buyout with them, but I doubt they would want to buyout kobe if they can keep him for only $5 million.

[LamarOdom]

Once he's amnestied, teams under the salary cap bid for kobe.

For example, if bobcats bid $5million and they win, they pay kobe $5 million next year while lakers pay $25million (since his salary is ~$30 million). He cant leave unless he sets up a buyout with them, but I doubt they would want to buyout kobe if they can keep him for only $5 million persey.

okay cool thanks.

[b0bab0i]

Lakers/Kobe could try the Carrier ending Waiver, but he wouldn't be able to play till 14/15 season.

Look up the situation with Darius Miles to understand the Career ending Waiver better.

[Droid101]

Who is going to pick up a player that can't play?

[LamarOdom]

Lakers/Kobe could try the Carrier ending Waiver, but he wouldn't be able to play till 14/15 season.

Look up the situation with Darius Miles to understand the Career ending Waiver better.

The same as BRoy?

[b0bab0i]

The same as BRoy?
Nah, blazers just used the amnesty clause on Broy and no one put a bid to get him because they felt he wasn't gonna come back.

[b0bab0i]

Who is going to pick up a player that can't play?
You can recover from torn Achilles within 8 months.
Chauncey had a torn Achilles in February and came back around October, but he had to sit because of other nagging injures to the groin & back.

Kobe can be back as soon as December? Any bottom feeder team would pick him up even if its for a couple million. They could earn a lot from Kobe merchandise/jerseys etc.

[cotdt]

It's very probable now that Lakers will amnesty Kobe.

[alec613]

As a Laker fan, I believe management will do things right : swallow their tears, and amnesty Kobe with his blessing.

No one will claim and injured guy of the waivers, and it would cause uproar if it does happen.

Kobe will still be paid 30m, and he'll just return when he feel he's healthy again

[ripthekik]

Kobe can be back as soon as December? Any bottom feeder team would pick him up even if its for a couple million. They could earn a lot from Kobe merchandise/jerseys etc.
He just needs to do a "Rose"

[9512]

Funny thing is in a fantasy hypothetical event that the Lakers amnestied Kobe and teams under the cap will go for him, he'd make some team serious dough with the potential of Kobe suiting up for that team.

They will lie to the fans and star printing jersey with Bryant's name to get a buzz going only to see him go back to the Lakers...

All of this without ever suiting up to play.

[cotdt]

Kobe is going to be out 1 year. It will cost Lakers $80 million just for a rusty Kobe to come back right before next season's playoffs. So amnesty is looking likely now.

[Y2Gezee]

As a Laker fan, I believe management will do things right : swallow their tears, and amnesty Kobe with his blessing.

No one will claim and injured guy of the waivers, and it would cause uproar if it does happen.

Kobe will still be paid 30m, and he'll just return when he feel he's healthy again

never gonna happen.

Should. Dumb not to amnesty 30 million for a 35 yo on it's last year. But wont.

[b0bab0i]

He just needs to do a "Rose"
:roll: :roll: :roll:

I feel bad for Bulls fans.

[Scholar]

Who is going to pick up a player that can't play?

Kobe merchandise would sell for millions. The few million dollars a team would throw Kobe's way would only result in massive profit.

[Nash]

They should do it. It would be good for Kobe because if he intends to return Lakers have the chance to fill the team with quality. Kobe gets his money and returns to a quality team with a smaller salary. And since he will not play next season no team will pick him up, unless they think its fun pay millions to have Kobe Bryant on their inactive roster for a year.

[Y2Gezee]

They should do it. It would be good for Kobe because if he intends to return Lakers have the chance to fill the team with quality. Kobe gets his money and returns to a quality team with a smaller salary. And since he will not play next season no team will pick him up, unless they think its fun pay millions to have Kobe Bryant on their inactive roster for a year.


Why would you be stupid enough to believe Kobe won't play next season?

What's he waiting for, to come back and be stronger than ever at 40?

[DMAVS41]

I don't know what they will do, but it seems crazy, even for the Lakers, to spend 80 million dollars on one player on a team that won't be a top 5 team in the league.

[rhythmic]

Even Jim Buss isn't dumb enough to do that to Kobe.
He is a Laker for life, from a financial point of view; sure it makes sense.
But out of loyalty and appreciation for all he has done for LA, there is no way in hell they would do that.

At least I hope Jim won't... :facepalm

[Phenith]

You can recover from torn Achilles within 8 months.
Chauncey had a torn Achilles in February and came back around October, but he had to sit because of other nagging injures to the groin & back.

Kobe can be back as soon as December? Any bottom feeder team would pick him up even if its for a couple million. They could earn a lot from Kobe merchandise/jerseys etc.

And that's the problem right there, he came back favoring the Achilles side which throws everything out of whack when you are stressing your body so heavily.
Same reason why Rose is smart about wanting to be ready, if he favors one side, the other side is going to take excess stress and he is going to suffer more injuries.

[b0bab0i]

I don't know what they will do, but it seems crazy, even for the Lakers, to spend 80 million dollars on one player on a team that won't be a top 5 team in the league.
Lakers are raking in so much money. Their TV deal with Time Warner Cable gets them $150 million a year alone. ($3 billion over 20 years)

[DMAVS41]

Lakers are raking in so much money. Their TV deal with Time Warner Cable gets them $150 million a year alone. ($3 billion over 20 years)

I know, but that is still a lot....

Enough to where it is a real decision.

[guy]

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[b0bab0i]

And that's the problem right there, he came back favoring the Achilles side which throws everything out of whack when you are stressing your body so heavily.
Same reason why Rose is smart about wanting to be ready, if he favors one side, the other side is going to take excess stress and he is going to suffer more injuries.
I think its just because hes old as fvck, 36 years old. Although same may happen to Kobe since he's not much younger.

[b0bab0i]

Kobe still gets paid his money. The Lakers aren't denying him his money. It just doesn't go against in the cap, and saves them in the luxury tax as a result.

If Kobe can come back in like 8-9 months, maybe they shouldn't do it. But if he's going to be out at least a year, which seems to be what they are saying is whats most likely, it makes absolutely no sense to not amnesty him. I don't know what keeping him on the books will cost in luxury tax, but I'm assuming its at least the same as his salary. Thats an extra $30 million for nothing. I would think even Kobe would understand that.

And even if a team picks him up on waivers, taking the chance that maybe they can have him for the playoffs, I think Kobe would somehow be able to get away with refusing to play for them.
Then why even go for amnesty? They should just do the career ending injury waiver which takes his salary off the books also, so no team can pick him up off waivers.

[Cone]

all the respect to kobe but this is too funny.. AMNESTY THAT

[bih]

Kobe merchandise would sell for millions. The few million dollars a team would throw Kobe's way would only result in massive profit.

So much this.

Kobe is now like David Beckham.

Teams were going ape shiit over Beckham due to his merchandise and advertising revenue.

[guy]

Then why even go for amnesty? They should just do the career ending injury waiver which takes his salary off the books also, so no team can pick him up off waivers.

Too risky. If the league can prove he can play 11 months and 29 days from now, the Lakers wouldn't be able to use it and would be screwed.

[b0bab0i]

Too risky. If the league can prove he can play 11 months and 29 days from now, the Lakers wouldn't be able to use it and would be screwed.
Not exactly. It takes about 12 months to recover from a torn achilles. But its if the injury is serious enough that it could end his career. A torn achilles is pretty severe.

Under NBA rules, if a team is granted salary-cap relief for a career-ending injury to a player who thereafter participates in at least ten games the next season, the salary cap relief is terminated and the amount is added back to the team's salary cap ceiling.

[guy]

Not exactly. It takes about 12 months to recover from a torn achilles

Under NBA rules, if a team is granted salary-cap relief for a career-ending injury to a player who thereafter participates in at least ten games the next season, the salary cap relief is terminated and the amount is added back to the team's salary cap ceiling.

Soooo, it would be risky like I said. You just said it takes about 12 months. For someone as determined as Kobe, it wouldn't be surprising if he came back in 11 months or so, meaning with 10 games left. If that happens, they're screwed. I don't know all the details behind it. I'm just going with what I've heard.

[Myth]

Nah, blazers just used the amnesty clause on Broy and no one put a bid to get him because they felt he wasn't gonna come back.

I believe Roy found a loophole where retiring and forfeiting a year made it so nobody could pick him up off of amnesty, that way he could sign his own contract when he returned. I think anybody could do this if they plan on skipping the entire season, which most amnestied players don't plan on doing. However, I don't think the Lakers would be able to re-sign Kobe if he does it this way.

[b0bab0i]

Soooo, it would be risky like I said. You just said it takes about 12 months. For someone as determined as Kobe, it wouldn't be surprising if he came back in 11 months or so, meaning with 10 games left. If that happens, they're screwed. I don't know all the details behind it. I'm just going with what I've heard.
I don't think you know how it works.

The independent doctor determines whether it is a career ending injury, if the doctor says it is, then the Lakers can go ahead and proceed with the waiver. There is no risk on their cap if Kobe decides not to play next year.

Read up on Darius Miles' situation.

[b0bab0i]

I believe Roy found a loophole where retiring and forfeiting a year made it so nobody could pick him up off of amnesty, that way he could sign his own contract when he returned. I think anybody could do this if they plan on skipping the entire season, which most amnestied players don't plan on doing. However, I don't think the Lakers would be able to re-sign Kobe if he does it this way.
You're a Blazers fan right?

They are two different things. One is an Amnesty which happened to BROY, Baron Davis, Gilbert Arenas.

The other is Darius Miles situation involving the career ending injury waiver with blazers.


In an effort to shed Miles' $18 million dollar contract,[6] the Portland Trail Blazers petitioned the NBA and the NBA Players Association in March 2008 to provide an independent doctor to decide whether Miles could play again.[7] The examination determined that Miles' knee injury was severe enough to be career-ending, prompting the Blazers to request waivers for his release on April 14, 2008.[5] However, Miles had the option to sign on with another team if offered a contract, potentially reverting the $18 million savings the Blazers hoped to gain if Miles played in 10 games in 2008.[8]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darius_Miles

[chazzy]

David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt 10h
One last thing: assuming Kobe is out for entire '13-'14 season, insurance normally covers 80% of injured player's salary. Kobe due $30.4M.

Also, if they were to amnesty him they lose his Bird rights, so they would need actual cap space to resign him

[alexd]

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[cotdt]

Lakers would still sell out tickets without Kobe, but it won't be the same.

[BlackVVaves]

The Lakers should amnesty Kobe if the conditions are ripe:

1) By July, medical staff are indicating the Kobe will take longer than 6 months to recover, and would be available in January/February at earliest.

2) The amnesty would supplement other off-season moves to acquire capspace to use this summer.

3) The Lakers are certain Kobe would re-sign in a year for 1-2 years and end his career in LA.

The 2nd condition is particularly significant. It makes no sense to amnesty Kobe if it's not going to give the Lakers any cap space anyway. What you guys aren't considering is how much the Lakers are over the cap for next season. If it's $30 Million or less, then amnesty him, I agree. But, if the team is still going to be $10-20 Million over the cap even after amnestying him, what's the point? To save them from the tax penalty? I doubt it.

[Derka]

Oh look, people who don't know how the CBA works. Shocked and amazed, I am.

Amnestying Kobe lessens the actual dollar amount the Lakers will have to pay in luxury tax and that's really about it. When the Lakers re-sign Howard...and they most certainly will...they'll be right back over the cap for the 2014 season, assuming Artest picks up his option.

They will have a biannual, a small midlevel and veteran's minimum deals to give out. Nothing else.

Mind you...they'll still have to pay Kobe his $30 million regardless.

[miles berg]

Makes little sense to amnesty him.

[bagelred]

Mind you...they'll still have to pay Kobe his $30 million regardless.

Not all of it. Kobe is sure to be picked up in the Amnesty draft. Just so a team can have his Bird Rights at the very least. So figure at least $5 million or more will be paid by the new team.

But everything else u said is right. Lakers won't have cap space this coming season no matter what. But they'll save a TON of luxury tax money if Kobe is amnestied. Also, if Lakers have cap space in summer of 2014, which they should, they won't need Kobe's Bird rights.

[Derka]

Not all of it. Kobe is sure to be picked up in the Amnesty draft. Just so a team can have his Bird Rights at the very least. So figure at least $5 million or more will be paid by the new team.

But everything else u said is right. Lakers won't have cap space this coming season no matter what. But they'll save a TON of luxury tax money if Kobe is amnestied. Also, if Lakers have cap space in summer of 2014, which they should, they won't need Kobe's Bird rights.

Nash and Howard (when he signs) are the only guys under contract for 2014-2015 I think.

And if Kobe does get amnestied, I fully expect he would retire before playing for another team. Maybe he'll do one last Olympics to show the world Kobe > them and that'd be it.

[bagelred]

Nash and Howard (when he signs) are the only guys under contract for 2014-2015 I think.

And if Kobe does get amnestied, I fully expect he would retire before playing for another team. Maybe he'll do one last Olympics to show the world Kobe > them and that'd be it.

He doesn't necessarily have to play for another team. Even if contract gets picked up, he'll still be recovering from injury. This is a serious injury. Wouldn't be surprised if sits out all of next season. Then he can prepare for 2014 season, resign with Lakers, and end career on own terms.

[DetroitPistonFan]

Kobe being amnestied? This is a joke right?

[MMM]

Kobe is not getting amnestied

but if he did, I would be surprised to see him return with the Lakers. That would be very disrespectful to his legacy and I don't see how that wont be hurtful to Kobe. After all he gave, they are gonna force him to play in Cha(trust me Kobe is gonna play the second he is able to, even if it is in Cha but he wont enjoy it).

Then the Lakers are gonna sign him back after forcing him to play on some terrible team for 4-6 months. If he were ever amnestied, I think there is a better chance he would be in Dal, SAS, Chi, NYK, or Bos than LAL.

[longtime lurker]

LOL yeah amnesty Kobe if you want a full scale riot in front of staples center :lol posters on this board aren't too bright. Even if you amnestied Kobe they'd be a team to pick him up off waivers just to troll the Lakers. This move makes no sense unless you know the guy is never going to play again.

[The Choken One]

Kobe on the Spurs or Duncan on the Lakers...my fhcking wet dream.

[D.J.]

Absolutely no chance this will happen. There will be too much of a backlash from the Laker fanbase.

[All Net]

No chance in hell...

[bigt]

Not sure if it's at all possible, but if Kobe did get amnestied I'd give anything for the Clippers or Boston to pick him up, just to troll the Lakers

[Soundwave]

I think he'd go to the Knicks or Bulls if he were to leave LA.

[coin24]

:roll: :roll: no chance in hell they amnesty Kobe!
He'll be back on the court before Christmas. Have faith in our gawd:bowdown: :bowdown:

[Human Error]

Seems like it's a no brainer for the Lakers. Below factors were posted by ESPN.

[francesco totti]

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[retaxis]

No Kobe amnesty? Fair enough
It means that Howard = resign, Nash = retirement, Pau = traded.